Compare and Contrast

Adelaide Hospital:

  • construction announced June 2007.
  • “officially” opened September 2017.

Announcement to opening – 10 plus years.

Sydney Light Rail – CBD and South East Extention:

Mini Sky City Tower in China:

  • Construction of 21st floor commenced January 31  2015
  • Construction of 57th floor completed February 17 2015

Construction of 37 floors of skyscraper – 3 weeks.

Sanyuan Bridge Overpass Replacement in Beijing China:

From removal of old overpass to opening of new overpass43 hours!

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42 Responses to Compare and Contrast

  1. braddles

    In Melbourne, the Darebin Creek bike path does not quite join up with the main Yarra bike path. There has been a gap of about 1km, annoying and dangerous for cyclists. When I lived in the area in 2002, the government announced that they would complete the path. I recall being disappointed at the time that it would not be finished until 2006 (they said).

    They’re still actively working on it. A few hundred metres have been done and there has been some further recent construction.

    In the meantime the Chinese built the trans-Tibetan railroad and finished it about 10 years ago.

  2. stackja

    Xi does not have worry about opposition or unions.

  3. Bill

    Xi also does not have to worry about mindless regulation, numerous “expert” reports, environmental roadblocks, activist lawyers and blocking activists, overindulgent project fees and financing costs and I could go on.

  4. Adelaide Hospital:

    construction announced June 2007.
    “officially” opened September 2017.

    When does the refurbishment begin? Afterall, it’s 10 years old.

  5. John64

    We can get things done quickly when we want to.

    Windmills Weatherill managed to blow up the Northern power station pretty soon after it was decommissioned last year.

    Pity about the dust cloud full of asbestos fibre that blanketed Port Augusts for days afterwards, though.

  6. Simple explanation.

    China does not have the CFMEU.

  7. Mike of Marion

    Adelaide is getting a tram extension on North Terrace

    It may be ready in a year!!

  8. Wil

    Why put patients into a new hospital?
    Dirty feet, blood everywhere, flu, complaining, etc.
    Better to keep it clean, easy to manage, and cost effective.
    Makes sense to me.

  9. Texas Jack

    It would be interesting to know if any major city on the planet has ever had anything like what the Libs and Clover have done to the main street of Sydney out of war time. And no, Berlin 42-45 doesn’t count. It was wartime and the Bergomeister emphatically voted against the plan.

  10. Zaan

    Recently came back from China, blown away by all the construction.
    As our guide said, there are many benefits to a one party government 🙂

  11. Habib

    Wagners in Toowoomba built a heavy rated international airport in 9 months, operational in 6. Finished rhe western end of the 2nd range crossing in 6 months. Replaced the rail bridge over Oakey Ck in under 8 hours. Possible here if government is basically told to fuck off.

  12. Irreversible

    Let me see. Was it a Shanghai apartment building that literally fell over from the lack of footings? And was it China’s glory vast train project that saw one of its first trains fall off the track, killing scores of people? Was it a new Chinese apartment in which I almost asphyxiated as a result of poor ventilation and nasty chemical compounds used in construction? Was it the terrific Pudong Hotel lift that dropped thirty floors on first use? Not that I’m a fan of Australian planning, which is generally crooked and silly. But the Chinese have neither checks nor balances.

  13. Chris M

    Yes well lets hope not too many died in the process.

    Construction was faster before computers and CAD, look at the Empire State building.

  14. Anonandon

    I find it hard to believe they can build 37 stories in 3 weeks.

  15. egg_

    Adelaide Hospital

    To be fair, the ‘tard wing likely takes in a whole suburb.

    It appeared to be News of the Week from SA on ABC TV Breakfast, such is the parallel with Regional Australia.

  16. egg_

    Yes well lets hope not too many died in the process.

    They’re probably holding up the walls.

  17. egg_

    Possible here if government is basically told to fuck off.

    +1

  18. True Aussie

    Xi also doesn’t have to worry about the fall out if a few workers die or if he pollutes a river or contaminates the ground soil. Xi also doesn’t have to worry about the non existent rights of those who own the land or live nearby

  19. Shy Ted

    Malcolm becomes PM September 2015. Big ideas, plans, dreams. Achieves something, not yet.

  20. The time taken for these projects is only half the story. It’s the cost that should be under scrutiny. Of course the longer a project, the more it costs. And where does a lot of that money go? Into Union pockets (via overpaid, no ticket no work, contractors) and maaaates of Labor who then recycle some of their ill-gotten gains back to the Spivs and Thieves Party.

    This is nothing more than the exploitation of workers / taxpayers, the proceeds ending up in the pockets of those who never earned it which, ironically, is exactly what the left accuse da ebil capitalists of. It’s infuriating to imagine what we could have had if we weren’t run by a pack of corruptocrats who see the taxpayer as a pool of wealth that they can siphon off anytime they want whilst feeding us some BS about better schools, faster broadband and saving da environment.

  21. Eddystone

    Not only is the new RAH (or enrah as the cool kids in SA ambulance management like to call it) about the seventh most expensive building ever built, it also got quickly overwhelmed within about four or five days from opening, with ambulances ramped and elective surgery cancelled.

  22. cui bono

    They keep saying 7 to 8 years for constructing a HELE coal power station in Oz. Really? Why?

  23. Entropy

    Habib
    #2496741, posted on September 13, 2017 at 5:33 pm
    Wagners in Toowoomba built a heavy rated international airport in 9 months, operational in 6. Finished rhe western end of the 2nd range crossing in 6 months. Replaced the rail bridge over Oakey Ck in under 8 hours. Possible here if government AND ALAN JONES are basically told to fuck off.

    FIFY

  24. Tekweni

    At times I am in the unfortunate position to tender for Qld govt business. Besides a small window of efficiency under Newman it’s all back to normal. My favourite was a tender which had all the companies who were invited to tender to attend a meeting in central Brisbane. The tender was high value in our industry so senior management from head office down south flew up to attend along with us locals.
    The background to the tender was given from a podium by very verbose woman who then introduced a visibly pregnant woman to us who was going to oversee the tender process. We were given 6 weeks to get our tenders in. Pretty standard stuff but then we were told that the pregnant woman was going off on maternity leave and would lead the team processing the tender when she returned. She would be off for a minimum of 8 months!
    We were offered tea and biscuits with the comment that we could network with our competitors as we enjoyed our refreshments. Really! It took two years to process the tender. Due date in the documentation was 6 weeks after submission. So two years before any action. And it has not changed. I had to get a shadow minister to chase another tender that had been submitted with the same deadline and no action taken for 2 years as well.

  25. rickw

    Time to gain approval to build my garage: 12 months and counting.

    Time to build my garage: 2 months (est.)

    Australia is completely fucked.

  26. Dave Owen

    Irreversible, you are so right. The standard of Chinese construction and scaffolding leave much to be desired. I watched one building being built where the bricklayers were not using a string line. I noticed many of the buildings were rendered exteriorly to hide the poor brickwork and some were tiled as well.
    I am sure I would not want to work on bamboo scaffolding either.
    I do not think the work was particularly quick as they had hordes of workers on site and the standard of workmanship was quite poor. Some of the lucky ones come here and claim to be competent and we let them work as if they are up to our standards which they clearly are not.

  27. Paul Farmer

    It would be interesting to compare building time on skyscrapers in the USA . You can’t infer too much into the skyscraper example as some bellwether of construction inefficiency as you are comparing apples and oranges . Anyone in the know of construction of these things understands all the time is in the footings and foundations and these enhineers buikding skyscrapers budget to accelerate as they go up . They actually have mathematical equations developed on this speed factor . In the states they even factor in this acceleration as they rise, they have too , as this market is so competitive there . So if you want real improvement without unnecessarily killing people as hey do in China you want sensible regulation with a market mechanism driving efficiency .

    As others on here have alluded to the quality in China is appalling and the oh and s is entirely devoid in China . A bit of extra speed isn’t worth it if your killing people , well if you have any morality around human life . That said but oh and s is out of control in Australia and has.l become a tool for unions to slow down work sites here and add cost often with no ostensible improvements in actual site safety . But on this score I would raher our imperfect floored system than chinas , but both our systems are killed by the USA for efficiency .

  28. Mark A

    Dave Owen
    #2496931, posted on September 13, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    Irreversible, you are so right. The standard of Chinese construction and scaffolding leave much to be desired. I watched one building being built where the bricklayers were not using a string line. I noticed many of the buildings were rendered exteriorly to hide the poor brickwork and some were tiled as well.

    Sorry Dave , you are talking nonsense. Rendering has nothing to with hiding anything, it’s a construction method favored in continental Europe as well.

    Same for tiling. They leave the vertical joints in brickwork deliberately open for keying in the rendering mortar.
    Why would it matter if the brickwork is a bit crooked horizontally over one or two
    courses?
    If you bothered to watch a bit longer you’d find that they put up a line every few courses.

  29. Paul Farmer

    Apologies for typos , typing on an iPhone under the influence ! Don’t drink and type as they say !

  30. Up The Workers!

    The Chinese can certainly build 37 stories in just 3 weeks, but it MAY take them just 3 seconds to collapse through shoddy building standards and inadequate supervision.

    Wise Old Confucius say:
    “It take many hands to make light work,
    But only one Green Weatherdill to turn it off again and demolish power station!”

  31. Combine Dave

    Irreversible, you are so right. The standard of Chinese construction and scaffolding leave much to be desired. I watched one building being built where the bricklayers were not using a string line. I noticed many of the buildings were rendered exteriorly to hide the poor brickwork and some were tiled as wel

    That’s cultural not to hide poor quality work (although it may well be poor quality work!).

    They love tiling up buildings in Taiwan as well.

  32. Rabz

    Some of the lucky ones come here and claim to be competent and we let them work as if they are up to our standards which they clearly are not.

    I had some mainland Chinamen renovate two bathrooms in a place of mine back in the mid 2000s and not only were they about half the cost of all the others quoted the standard of their work was magnificent.

    Competent they clearly were.

  33. Combine Dave

    I had some mainland Chinamen renovate two bathrooms in a place of mine back in the mid 2000s and not only were they about half the cost of all the others quoted the standard of their work was magnificent.

    Competent they clearly were.

    This is not always the case.

    But in my experience frequently is!

    (Just depends on if the mainland Chinese you are employing are actually tradies from China or are Chinese students looking for a summer job)

  34. H B Bear

    A counter-example on the use of Chinese owned contractors – John Holland and the Perth Childrens Hospital. Not exactly getting the lead out there.

  35. True Aussie

    Let me see. Was it a Shanghai apartment building that literally fell over from the lack of footings? And was it China’s glory vast train project that saw one of its first trains fall off the track, killing scores of people? Was it a new Chinese apartment in which I almost asphyxiated as a result of poor ventilation and nasty chemical compounds used in construction? Was it the terrific Pudong Hotel lift that dropped thirty floors on first use? Not that I’m a fan of Australian planning, which is generally crooked and silly. But the Chinese have neither checks nor balances.

    Its easy to spot those like Spartacus who live in their ivory towers with no real world experience vs those who actually know the reality on the ground.

  36. struth

    Could we get the Chinese to come over and build a few coal fired power station?

    Our workers are paid by the hour, or the “Milk it by slowing down as much as you possibly can” Industrial relations with government contracts rule 101.
    That’s after the paper shufflers have rubber stamped the papers they’ve been sitting on for years, counting the tax dollars coming in as the apply 101 as best they can.

    ETC.

  37. struth

    I wouldn’t suggest Chinese build quality……………….far from it a lot of the time.

    However, we speak about them as if our bridge collapsing, goat track building, workforce is beyond critical examination.

  38. 2dogs

    I think we can deem China to be a more capitalist country than Australia.

  39. Up The Workers!

    Perhaps if we could import all China’s builders to Australia and deport all our politicians to China, we could kill two birds with the one 457 Visa and increase the aggregate IQ of the nation simultaneously?

  40. J.H.

    BrettW #2496637, posted on September 13, 2017 at 4:02 pm
    Simple explanation.

    China does not have the CFMEU.
    —————————————————————————————————————–
    Not quite right Brett……….. China IS the CFMEU.

  41. Bill

    The Empire State Building in New York at 102 Storeys took 18 months to design, construct, fit out and open. 3400 people were employed on it during that time and 5 died during the construction. Nevertheless, I would defy anyone to attempt to do the same now with the regulatory approvals burden imposed on developers today.

  42. boy on a bike

    Funnily enough, I was going past a light rail construction site yesterday and a gaggle of workers emerged from behind the fencing.

    They were all Chinese.

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