We’re all Democrats now

Who would have thought? Donald Trump is fickle, he is repudiating the policies he took to the election and is embracing high immigration, no wall, signing on to the Paris accord and keeping Obama care. He is more Democratic than Obama. Even Ann Coulter who wrote In Trump We Trust now wants him impeached. Don’t say you weren’t warned. Trump always had leftist leanings and disguised that during the campaign and attracted his Useful Idiots from the right to help him across the line (since he wouldn’t have been able to take the Democratic nomination from Hillary). Now we are in a ride for big government and crony capitalism writ large.

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54 Responses to We’re all Democrats now

  1. OneWorldGovernment

    Galump, Galump, Galump.

    I love Malcolm Fraser, sorry, Malcolm Turnbull.

  2. You’ve missed your tablets again, haven’t you?

  3. zyconoclast

    Is Trump taking the (Oz) Liberals line that ,”you may not like us, buy at least we a not as bad as the other guys” line?

    I suggested he was a scammer. Let’s see how this plays out.

  4. OneWorldGovernment

    LL

    LQC is port as opposed to starboard.

  5. Mother Lode

    Born in 520BC, Cincinnatus?

    You can accumulate an awful lot of dotage over 25 centuries, huh?

  6. Shy Ted

    Except for the million people who have found employment and those who open their power bills to see a smaller number and those who share prices have risen and shall I go on?

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Trump has an interesting failing. He is a CEO, and what a CEO does is appoint managers and expect that they get on with it. He then supports his managers. I’ve seen this in operation with the CEO’s that I’ve worked for in several decades in industry.

    His failing is that he expects to choose a manager on competence, with a compact whereby they agree to pursue the company strategy. That works in corporations since the managers are paid well and have no especial reason to push one corporate strategy over another. So they knuckle down and do their job in line with the corporate strategy set by the CEO.

    Trump’s failing is to expect the same of his managers. Unfortunately anyone in politics is not there to earn money and do the will of a CEO – they are there to make a difference. According to their own personal definition of ‘difference’.

    So Trump has appointed Kelly, Tillerson and McMaster, all of whom immediately started pushing their own pet ideologies and ignoring Trump’s strategy. Trump however is driven by his habit of 50 years of backing his people. So he’s stuck.

    He has been firing guys as they fail, but the reason they are failing is ideology. Then he canvasses for who to appoint and the swamp throws up a list of names.

    I used to do this myself. I found that if you want to get a decision out of a boss don’t ask them for a decision. Instead go to them with three proposals, each written on a single sheet of paper. Then the boss will choose one of the three. You have gotten your decision!

    The swamp is doing the same thing: presenting a choice of managerial types. Trump’s mistake is to choose. The correct answer is to not choose but instead source your own guys.

    Again the problem with that is shown by Bannon and Gorka. They have the right ideology but are not the managerial types that Trump is used to. They are cats who do cat things in cat ways. So the swamp pushed them out and found some more McMasters and Kellys.

    There are very few managerial types who have the right ideology. Eighty years of the corporate lefty old boys network has seen to that. And the swamp will never propose any of the few in their lists.

    What you are seeing Cinci is not so much Trump but his guys in operation. So for example on the Paris accord Tillerson said that Trump might stay in. Trump then said nope he won’t. Then in a compromise Tillerson was back saying Trump may stay in if new terms are negotiated. That is a classic Trumpism: yep if you agree to cut off your own balls I’ll sign. He won’t. But holding out the hope keeps Tillerson doing his thing and keeps Ivanka and Jared off his back. He can fire Tillerson but not Ivanka or Jared.

    The Paris climate deal. We’re out. We’re in! No, we’re out! Maybe (Sunday)

    The original Cinci knew* all this stuff. That is why he stayed on the farm until the swamp came to him begging to be saved.

    (* I recently read Livy.)

  8. eb

    Thanks, BoN. I was starting to think along those lines too, but you spelt it out very well.
    It’s one of the reasons that nearly all successful business people don’t succeed in politics, there’s a totally different way of doing things, and the people involved have an alien mindset compared to business-people.

  9. jupes

    Donald Trump is fickle, he is repudiating the policies he took to the election and is embracing high immigration, no wall, signing on to the Paris accord and keeping Obama care.

    Bollocks on stilts.

  10. EvilElvis

    Thanks, BoN. I was starting to think along those lines too, but you spelt it out very well.
    It’s one of the reasons that nearly all successful business people don’t succeed in politics, there’s a totally different way of doing things, and the people involved have an alien mindset compared to business-people.

    Do the business guys sway to the bureaucrats way then when they get in, eb?

    I’m waiting for a business type to get in and do the business thing! Mass redundancies! Cut the heads from the PS beasts and make examples of all who don’t tow the line. We’re always told that government agencies are more corporatised and business like nowadays. Fucking prove it and make the shareholders happy.

  11. Adelagado

    Yeah Trump is hopeless. He’s had a whole 9 months to turn America around.

  12. Tom

    Bollocks on stilts.

    +1000.

    The more “educated” the ruling class — like this fake Roman pseudonymical idiot — the more stupid they become, unable to see except through the lens of a tribal ideological war.

    For serious students of American politics, the strategic tacking through the DC swamp by this presidental revolutionary is rivetting. And the most “educated” are not only the least able to analyse it, but are helplessly prone to Trump dementia, where reasoned argument explodes in a red mist of mental self-harm.

  13. RobK

    Trump is a mere mortal so miracles take a a bit longer.

  14. Bruce in WA

    Not what my b-i-l (American) is reporting back to us.

    Bollocks on stilts.

    Plus ∞ +1!

  15. Muddy

    Trumpentia – an altered state of consciousness where reasoned argument explodes in a red mist of mental self-harm.

    Love it. Straight to the Catictionary for you, Tom.

  16. Jo Smyth

    Just another tactic to undermine Trump. He will prevail. He willl MAGA. Have faith.

  17. Bruce

    ‘signing on to Paris accord’, Nope they’re out as the White House again confirmed today.

  18. OneWorldGovernment

    LQC

    Get back to your plow.

    The rest of us are sharpening our plow shears and storing up bows and arrows.

    There will come a levelling.

  19. max

    A delusion is a belief that is held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

    Political Revolution need to come From the Bottom Up

    today majority of voters believe in theft

    A hearts and minds strategy argues that no change can occur unless and until a significant portion of a given population shrugs off its bad ideas and embraces sensible ideas, particularly in the areas of politics, economics, and social theory.

    Every revolutionary thinks that when he gets in control of the hierarchical chain of command, things are going to be different. Yes, they will be different. There will be a different set of looters skimming off the productivity of the victims.
    Until conservatives stop dreaming about capturing existing hierarchical systems of power, nothing is going to change.

  20. Muddy

    today majority of voters believe in theft

    We have been conditioned to believe that envy is not only OK, but noble. This justifies and redefines the theft. If another group or sub-group has something you want, you define/stereotype them as morally deficient, and your own group or sub-group as morally superior, yet a victim of the stereotyping and moral deficiency of the target group. Rebalancing this perceived imbalance is thus a noble cause and justification for the use of any means chosen by the rebalancers. Of course, rebalancing is not enough, so to act as compensation for the perceived loss, the morally-deficient group or sub-group, must cede some of their ‘advantage’ to the noble rebalancers.

  21. mh

    This is the only way you can get anyone to post comments, Quinny?

    Sad.

  22. Stimpson J. Cat

    Now we are in a ride for big government and crony capitalism writ large.

    Is he worse than Malcolm Turnbull?
    A simple yes or no will suffice.

  23. vicki

    Bruce of Newscastle, as usual, has nailed it. To understand Trump – you need to look at his past MO.

    But while I agree that his method of hiring & firing has been responsible for a lot of missteps, I also think he is a “wheeler & dealer” par excellence.

    I think this is what is occurring now in his “arrangements” with the Dems.

  24. Arky

    The key to understanding Trump is that he is for Trump.
    He saw a pathway to the Whitehouse and took it.
    This involved all the MAGA stuff and mobilising the votes of those left behind by globalism, who happens to be distributed in such a way geographically as to possible give him both the primaries and the electoral college votes.
    Everything he espoused was formulated to deliver those votes.
    Understand that, and the rest follows.
    None of this has anything to do with his personal views or character, and is neither in and of itself good or bad.
    It is simply the mechanism by which it was possible for him to achieve his goal.
    His goal: to enhance his own power and wealth.

  25. struth

    TDS …..is it curable.
    Not amongst the educated idiots it seems.

    Nothing that Luscious Cunnilingus has attributed to Trump has he actually done.

    Is anyone really that stupid as to think he didn’t want to repeal Obummercare?

  26. Combine Dave

    I don’t get it.

    You hated him when he was building a wall and now you hate him when he’s agreed to compromise and allow some illegal immigrations (brought in as children yada yada) a pathway to citizenship…

    It’s almost like you hate the man and care nought for the policies and principles involved.

  27. Barry 1963

    He’s gotta build that wall! No ifs or buts.

  28. Indolent

    It is simply the mechanism by which it was possible for him to achieve his goal.
    His goal: to enhance his own power and wealth.

    I could not disagree more. I think he, as a very successful and confident man, saw a risk and a weakness in the fabric of his country and was willing to sacrifice himself to try to stem it. He was already a billionaire and could make himself as rich as he liked (or spend the rest of his life playing golf) while being lionized by all the people who are vicously attacking him now.

    Trump did not need this, but his country does need him.

  29. val majkus

    You’re wrong about Trump signing on to the Paris accord – looks like the WSJ got punked.

    ….Within 10 minutes of us posting this story, we got word from the WSJ reporter Ed Stokels that the White House has responded:

    WH responds: “There has been no change in the United States’ position on the Paris agreement…”

    “As the President has made abundantly clear, the US is withdrawing unless we can re-enter on terms more favorable to our country.”

  30. val majkus

    as for ‘keeping Obamacare’ it could have been killed off last summer Obamacare, were it not for the saving vote of Sen. John McCain of Arizona

    How is that Trump’s fault?

    Go back and do some more research on your allegations.

  31. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Manafort has a residence in Trump Tower.

  32. Irreversible

    Trump is now and has always been a spiv and a fake. No one now defends him and he is relying on Democrat support to survive. This will get ugly. But I’m sure Steve Kates will fly over to help him out.

  33. Tom

    His goal: to enhance his own power and wealth.

    I guess you were always going to retreat to leftyland when you’re surrounded by tax hoovers at work, Arky.

    But I am disappointed in you.

    Trump didn’t need to do this and knew that getting his agenda through the DC swamp would be the battle of his life. Only an arrogant, super-smart alpha would have backed himself.

    You haven’t listened to a word he has said in the past 30 years.

  34. Arky

    I guess you were always going to retreat to leftyland when you’re surrounded by tax hoovers at work, Arky.

    ..
    You know nothing of my working life Tom.
    I left school at 16 and have worked for over thirty years in up to three jobs at a time, including a decade of night shifts.
    Spare me the “public school teacher” shit.
    As for Trump I am completely consistent in my comments.
    I predicted the polls and betting markets were wrong and that Trump would probably win.
    I also predicted that he would only follow through on his stated agenda if, and only if, that stated agenda coincides with his own interests.
    Trump is not the saviour, and people who want better policies, here or in the States, should stop looking for saviours.
    No such individual can exist in the political realm.
    Trump is, always has been, and shall continue to be, a complete bullshit artist.
    That does not mean he won’t do some great things. His take down of main stream media alone was worth the ride.

  35. Marcus Classis

    Donald Trump is fickle,

    Please prove this contention.

    he is repudiating the policies he took to the election

    Is he? How? Please provide examples where he has repudiated his policies. Or is he doing much of what he said he would and being blocked by the RINO’s and Dems in alliance against him?

    and is embracing high immigration,

    Please provide proof of this statement

    no wall,

    Yet contracts have been signed to start – by refurbishing what exists already. And is it not the RINO’s and Dems in alliance against him who are refusing funding? How is that his fault?

    signing on to the Paris accord

    This has already been entirely debunked.

    and keeping Obama care.

    is it not the RINO’s and Dems in alliance against him who are refusing this? How is that his fault?

    DO better. This is a whine, and a fact-free whine at that

  36. Crossie

    What you are seeing Cinci is not so much Trump but his guys in operation. So for example on the Paris accord Tillerson said that Trump might stay in. Trump then said nope he won’t. Then in a compromise Tillerson was back saying Trump may stay in if new terms are negotiated. That is a classic Trumpism: yep if you agree to cut off your own balls I’ll sign. He won’t. But holding out the hope keeps Tillerson doing his thing and keeps Ivanka and Jared off his back. He can fire Tillerson but not Ivanka or Jared.

    The wrong people were pushed out and yes, he can fire his daughter and son in law. All he has to do is announce that they only meant to spend a short time in DC and will now go back to their day jobs.

  37. Biota

    If Trump did this to improve his wealth why does he donate each month’s salary to a variety of charities?

  38. Crossie

    Thanks, BoN. I was starting to think along those lines too, but you spelt it out very well.
    It’s one of the reasons that nearly all successful business people don’t succeed in politics, there’s a totally different way of doing things, and the people involved have an alien mindset compared to business-people.

    I don’t think they have an alien mindset, they live and marinate in the same culture as the rest of us. The problem with politicians is that most of them have never had any other ambitions.

    In the best interest of the country and states, political careers should be short and insignificant.

  39. Crossie

    If Trump did this to improve his wealth why does he donate each month’s salary to a variety of charities?

    My guess would be that he will be the only president who will leave DC poorer than when he arrived there.

  40. Arky

    Biota

    #2502136, posted on September 19, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    If Trump did this to improve his wealth why does he donate each month’s salary to a variety of charities?

    ..
    My guess at the time of the election was that the worth of the Trump brand would have increased even if he had lost.
    Do you really, really think Trump, or anyone, does these things for altruistic reasons?
    Really?

  41. Tel

    Is he? How? Please provide examples where he has repudiated his policies. Or is he doing much of what he said he would and being blocked by the RINO’s and Dems in alliance against him?

    He had an opportunity to end DACA immediately and he farted around.

  42. Indolent

    My guess at the time of the election was that the worth of the Trump brand would have increased even if he had lost.

    Hillary would have seen to it that that was not the case. She is very good at holding a grudge and would have gone all out to destroy him.

  43. Tom

    Trump is, always has been, and shall continue to be, a complete bullshit artist.

    Sorry, Arky. You’re as dumb as dogshit.

  44. J.H.

    Trump has already done enough to be declared a success…. For starters, he stopped Hillary Clinton. That in itself is more then enough to give thanks for…. and the entertainment value that his election win brought.

    But Trump has done plenty of stuff besides. There has been the clean out of the EPA. The deregulation of coal restrictions, recommencement of the oil pipeline, reinvigorated investment, etc… lots and lots of stuff.

    The border and Obamacare will be addressed in the fullness of time.

  45. Trump has already done enough to be declared a success…. For starters, he stopped Hillary Clinton. 

    Stopping Hillary.
    Appointing Neil Gorsuch.
    If he appoints 1 or 2 more 50-odd year olds to SCOTUS he need do nothing more … he would be the most infuential President in 100 years.

  46. Arky

    Sorry, Arky. You’re as dumb as dogshit.

    ..
    Personal insult because you disagree with an opinion.
    Not really a class act.
    Are you Tom?

  47. Arky

    Could have had an interesting exchange.
    You could have asked me why I thought that.
    You could have put your case why you thought otherwise.
    But instead you just threw out a stupid insult.
    Not the first time you have done that with me Tom.
    Last time you had at least the decency to apologise.

  48. Jimf

    After the celebrations comes the grind. The US political system is indeed a swamp.Complex and self preserving to its core. Best for Donald to pick his 2-3 big bets only in this term and pursue every dark recess in the way of achievement. Sure he’s no politician, but another “administrator” was the last thing America needed wasn’t it ? The violent push back and undermining of self preservationists and their media lackeys is exactly as expected. His disruption agenda is going to be a 4+ year war of squealling, lying and kicking. Killing something that is decades entrenched is a hard thing to do I’d say. For all his faults of style ,Donald is the only person with a chance to do it .

  49. iain russell

    As Bemused said, he’s the Non-Clinton President we just had to have.

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