Give Peace a Chance is NOT Peace at Any Price

It is hard to believe that LIQ was actually ever a general if he cannot see how fortunate we are that Donald Trump is President and not Hillary and no longer Obama. I particularly find it wonderful how invisible Obama has become since he has nothing to say about anything that would not make people on his own side wince at their stupidity. A cipher before and a cipher since, but alas, eight disastrous years as president in between. For a very good summary of what Trump said at the UN and why it matters, there is this which you can enjoy end to end. Much to choose from, but North Korea has almost disappeared from the news since the Democrats, and the left in general, have nothing constructive to add to the conversation, which is why the media have dropped this as a story. So let me focus here.

In particular, and in detail, Trump called out the rogue states of North Korea and Iran. He did not follow a script of pollysyllabic diplomatic enumerations of unacceptable activities. He reminded the UN members of Pyongyang’s “deadly abuse” of American student Otto Warmbier. He talked about North Korea’s kidnapping of a Japanese 13-year-old girl “to enslave her as a language tutor for North Korea’s spies.” And he cited “the assassination of the dictator’s brother using banned nerve agents in an international airport.”

He caused a stir, and inspired plenty of headlines, with his comments:

“The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.”

That’s not bombast. That’s a pointed and useful warning to a totalitarian tyrant, who in contravention of nine UN sanctions resolutions and all basic decency has been threatening preemptive nuclear strikes on the U.S. and its allies, advertising the testing of hydrogen bombs and shooting intercontinental ballistic missiles over Japan. Let’s hope Kim Jong Un takes it seriously, despite decades of U.S. compromise and retreat that led to this pass.

As for the derision implicit in the label “Rocket Man,” I’d say that Trump in describing the murderous despot of North Korea displayed a distinct delicacy simply by avoiding the use of raw profanity from the UN podium. Would it have been better to deferentially describe Kim as the supreme leader of North Korea? Mockery has its uses in facing down despots. The confrontation here is of North Korea’s making — and the dangers have grown all the worse over the years for such nonconfrontational approaches as the nuclear deals of Presidents Bush and Clinton, and the do-nothing “strategic patience” of President Obama.

And I don’t wish to leave out this which will be quoted far into the future:

“The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented. From the Soviet Union to Cuba to Venezuela, wherever true socialism or communism has been adopted, it has delivered anguish and devastation and failure.”

How long has it been since we have heard any political leader say things like that, never mind an American president? Our enemies are not only our worst enemies, they are their own worst enemies but are too ignorant even to know that.

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37 Responses to Give Peace a Chance is NOT Peace at Any Price

  1. Robber Baron

    It would be very informative reading if, say, a couple of RMIT professors (not naming any) could conduct a study comparing socialist economies with capitalist ones and have it published. The conducting the study part (collecting data) obviously won’t receive any government funding and the publishing part…oh well. It was a thought.

  2. Tim Neilson

    Robber Baron
    #2502954, posted on September 20, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    There’s a liberty quote that sometimes pops up in the top right hand corner here, from Ayn Rand, pointing out that there has been a multi-decade experiment comparing capitalism with communism, called “East and West Germany”.

  3. Rohan

    Is LIQ the former General David Morrison?

  4. Bruce of Newcastle

    “The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented.

    Quite so. Illinois also is currently implementing socialism very well.

    Illinois Unpaid Vendor Backlog Hits A New Record At Over $16 Billion

    Back in July, the state of Illinois narrowly avoided a junk bond rating with a last minute budget deal that included a 32% in hike in income taxes. Republican Governor Bruce Rauner vetoed the budget and called it a “disaster,” but both houses of the state legislature voted to override his veto. Meanwhile, S&P and Moody’s were apparently both convinced that the budget deal was sufficient for the state to remain an investment grade credit and all lived happily ever after, if just for a few months.

    Of course, if that’s true, then someone is going to have to explain to us why the state’s unpaid payables balance continues to balloon higher with each passing day and now stands at a record $16,046,145,423.20 according the comptroller’s office…

    But, if you’re a resident of Illinois, or worse yet a pensioner in one of the state’s massively underfunded pension plans, Democratic Comptroller Susana Mendoza would like for you to know that there is no reason for concern as she has the perfect solution to the state’s debt problem: $6 billion in more debt.

    The plus for pensioners is they won’t be paid in rapidly inflating pesos. The minus for pensioners is that Illinois is already paying suppliers and pensioners in IOUs which now run to $16 billion worth of soon to be worthless promises. Stock up on toilet paper Chicagoites.

    I wonder if someone will ask the ex-Senator for Illinois about the state’s financial mess?
    He’s a guy called Obama.

  5. And the Leftist MSM are already squealing that Trump’s threat of retaliation and the destruction of a despot is tantamount to a war crime: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/09/19/abcs-moran-trumps-north-korea-warning-borders-threat-committing-war-crime/.

  6. Speedbox

    I thought Trump’s speech was powerful. He doesn’t speak in the polished tones of a professional politician and maybe that is why some find him abrasive or hard to follow. More likely that it wouldn’t matter what Trump said – the hatred for the man prevails over the content any speech.

    Anyway, I thought it was a great “plain english” speech made in that viper pit.

  7. Chris M

    Great speech. I prefer the term ‘rocket boy’ personally.

  8. Linden

    We listened for 8 yrs to the snake oil salesman Obama, and I don’t think anybody will remember much of what he said about anything, because he was a smooth talking wind bag; however everybody will remember what Trump is saying, it is plain speaking telling it how it is. This morning the MSM only played a few seconds of Trump speech, I have listened to all of it; much of what he has is long long overdue. The pathetic thing is, that the ABC etc will not cover what he has said. funny how the truth offends more people than anything else!

  9. The NK problem will be “fixed” before the end of the year. China has now called for 6 party talks re NK. By the time Trump visits China later this year, it’ll be all over red rover.
    Those interested in the fine detail of what’s happening, a trip to the excellent Conservative Treehouse web site is well worth while.

  10. Muddy

    The problem with the whole ‘peace, not war’ schtick is, and has always been, that not all stakeholders stand on the same cognitive and emotional level. Participants do not necessarily share the same, or similar, values and motivations, nor may they possess the ability or willingness to engage in dialogue. ‘Peace activists’ naively assume that the antagonists desire a non-violent outcome. Human nature is simply not like that. It is not like that in our workplaces or our families, so why would those traits and abilities be present on a broader scale?

    While of course it is desirable on both moral and economic grounds for armed conflict to be resolved in a peaceful manner, it is simply delusional to think that such resolutions will always be practical.

  11. Craig

    I do like this pussy grabbing American president, wish our dickless leaders stood up for the something that mattered to the everyday Australian.

  12. max

    except for this:

    “The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented. From the Soviet Union to Cuba to Venezuela, wherever true socialism or Communism has been adopted, it has delivered anguish and devastation and failure. Those who preach the tenets of these discredited ideologies only contribute to the continued suffering of the people who live under these cruel systems.”

    everything else is neocon claptrap

  13. NuThink

    From Muddy

    The problem with the whole ‘peace, not war’ schtick is, and has always been, that not all stakeholders stand on the same cognitive and emotional level.

    So true – recall the Trojan Horse of earlier times..

  14. egg_

    Give peas a chance?

    Green Peas to the rescue?

  15. GerardO

    It’s time for both North Korea & Iran to nuke up. About 100 would do for NK; 200 for the Iranians. Netanyahu would shut his mouth pretty quick.

  16. pbw

    Note the return of “radical Islamic…” either terrorism or ideology, I think it was. But radical Islam is back, and at the UN, no less.

  17. closeapproximation

    Was a great speech.

  18. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    It is hard to believe that LIQ was actually ever a general if he cannot see how fortunate we are that Donald Trump is President and not Hillary and no longer Obama.

    Lucius Quincitius Cincinnatus led, fought and won wars. He didn’t just talk about them or make idle threats. So far Trump has just drawn a line (just like Obama did) and it remains to be seen whether he has the courage to act if the line is crossed (and of course Obama went to water when the line was crossed in Syria).

  19. Oh come on

    Look, everyone who ever wondered as a teenager why on earth Cincinnati was called Cincinnati, and researched further, knows who LQC was.

    It’s a pity you’ve chosen to besmirch his name, Lucy. You’re just another shrill ideologue – no better than m0nty.

  20. Andrew M.

    wherever true socialism or Communism has been adopted

    Here the Donald is almost certainly talking about the 1920s era definition of Socialism, the meaning that Hayek or Schumpeter were familiar with, the one about redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor via central planning of collectivist resources. The old definition was mainly concerned with an end goal of equalised wealth, rather than the means of getting there. (Hayek explains this well on p130 of “Individualism and Economic Order”.)
    Kids today are indoctrinated with a broader definition of Socialism courtesy of figures like Chomsky, namely that Socialism is any system where the workers own the means of production. This has the effect of bringing “socialist workers” into the Socialism fold, or the “self-employed” as capitalists call them. This allows the new Socialists to hold their hand on their heart and declare, truthfully as it turns out, that not all Socialism is bad. It also quite sneakily switches the essence of socialism from a goal to a method, which just might be a way of distracting everyone from the fact that the old socialism never reached any good outcomes.

    That discrepancy in definition is why the Donald’s admonition of Socialism and categorisation of Venezuela as “true socialism” is going to appear as a categorical error to most younger viewers, who will likely rage about his ignorance of socialism instead of heeding his warning. After all, if Venezuelans individually owned their farm land, they would not be starving right now, it’s only the farm nationalisations which screwed up the food supply. That situation might be a communist dictatorship, but it does not accord with the socialist worker’s creed. No wonder Chomsky now brushes off Venezuela as “state capitalism” rather than socialism, and under the new definition he is correct because the workers do not own the means of production in that country.

    Certainly the terms “true socialism” and “communism” are not synonymous, not today nor in Hayek’s time, so if the Trumpster meant it that way then he has no clue what he’s talking about.

  21. John Constantine

    Individual farmers in Venezuela that own their own produce are still stuffed, as the army is being paid only in enough bullets to go and shoot the peasants goats for food.

    (Plus any objecting and objectionable peasants)

    Hoarding private food is a thought crime.

    Pure socialism, Comrades.

  22. John Constantine

    Laughing at socialism rationing food in Venezuela, from yarragrad that is weeks away from rationing electricity is Pyrrhic.

  23. md

    From the Soviet Union to Cuba to Venezuela, wherever true socialism or communism has been adopted, it has delivered anguish and devastation and failure.

    We know this from what is happening to our own country.

  24. Louis Hissink

    During the 1970’s the sales people got in charge of Daimler AG and started marketing Mercedes cars with inane, salesman inspired, fripperies. It almost bankrupted the company until the engineers got back into power.

    At the moment Venezuela, Victoria and South Australia are being run by the ideological salesman, not engineers.

    Seems the engineers only return when the fans are so heavily laden with whatever it is that passes for socialist BS these days, that the sales people give up and beg for rescue.

    Then the cycle repeats.

  25. One great leader says another great leader won’t go to war. We’re stuffed:

    Malcolm Turnbull doubts the North Korean leader would ‘commit suicide’ by launching an attack on the United States.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/federal/2017/09/20/pm-doubts-kim-will-launch–suicidal–attack.html

  26. stackja

    bemused
    #2503308, posted on September 21, 2017 at 8:10 am
    One great leader says another great leader won’t go to war. We’re stuffed:

    Malcolm Turnbull doubts the North Korean leader would ‘commit suicide’ by launching an attack on the United States.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/federal/2017/09/20/pm-doubts-kim-will-launch–suicidal–attack.html

    One great leader Neville Chamberlain says another great German leader won’t go to war.

  27. srr

    Baa Humbug
    #2503040, posted on September 20, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    The NK problem will be “fixed” before the end of the year. China has now called for 6 party talks re NK. By the time Trump visits China later this year, it’ll be all over red rover.
    Those interested in the fine detail of what’s happening, a trip to the excellent Conservative Treehouse web site is well worth while.

    Yes, and it’s also a healthy reminder of just how UN Suckholey, Snake Oil Selling, Communist so many Australian ‘Libertarians‘, Academics and Social/Political Commentators actually are.

    When they’re herded together, the more extreme can make the more silver tongued sound reasonable, but when you hear their linguistic trickery against the plain speak of those who hold their Constitutional Right to Free Speech, sacred, and aren’t ashamed to publicly declare their Christian faith, well, you can’t help but notice how many Devil’s Advocates are not playing.

  28. srr

    Muddy
    #2503052, posted on September 20, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    The problem with the whole ‘peace, not war’ schtick is, and has always been, that not all stakeholders stand on the same cognitive and emotional level. Participants do not necessarily share the same, or similar, values and motivations, nor may they possess the ability or willingness to engage in dialogue. ‘Peace activists’ naively assume that the antagonists desire a non-violent outcome. Human nature is simply not like that. It is not like that in our workplaces or our families, so why would those traits and abilities be present on a broader scale?

    While of course it is desirable on both moral and economic grounds for armed conflict to be resolved in a peaceful manner, it is simply delusional to think that such resolutions will always be practical.

    Yep.

    Simply, evil exists, you can’t, love evil better, that’s what makes evil, evil, and not just wrong.

  29. Defender of the faith

    Kates as usual fully buys the brainfart from this snake oil salesman. And as usual he’s going with the “let’s hope” something happens. Meanwhile Trump has yet to say anything about the Russian campaign to interfere in elections, has jumped over the democrat policies on key issues and is still unable to produce anything on the US budget.

  30. struth

    Kates as usual fully buys the brainfart from this snake oil salesman. And as usual he’s going with the “let’s hope” something happens. Meanwhile Trump has yet to say anything about the Russian campaign to interfere in elections, has jumped over the democrat policies on key issues and is still unable to produce anything on the US budget.

    97% of cats believe this is TDS.

    Andrew, don’t get sucked into weasel words from socialists.

    The workers owning the means of production is not the new socialism.
    What these dumb c..ts are actually doing is just making noise like usual.
    The same old , no that’s not “our ” socialism schtick.

    Workers owning the means of production (the bosses and being self employed) is called free market capitalism.
    Workers collectively owning state operated businesses is what is technically called “bullshitting the workers”.
    Or socialism.

    Chompsky is a chump.

    What he is basically saying is that Venezuela wouldn’t be in strife if they stayed a capitalist society.

    When it fails, disown it, and lie.
    Just like Hitler and fascism, and all the other failures of the left.

    No wonder Chomsky now brushes off Venezuela as “state capitalism” rather than socialism, and under the new definition he is correct because the workers do not own the means of production in that country.

    Correct?
    Please explain state capitalism.
    Everyone working for the government is state capitalism!

    Weasel words used by a weasel when presented with yet another example of his failed old ideology.

  31. Irreversible

    Struth: nice data. Can I see the question in your survey? And the methodology please?
    I have no such data, but I have observed that many comments on this site accept as I do that Trump changed his views extremely radically in order to become a Republican candidate. His past is decidedly NY Democrat. He has been expert in the spinners art of annoucing some new thing virtually every day and making statements to fog issues every other day, avoiding any real examination of what the man actually does.
    What he does is license is name to property developments. He has extensive commercial arrangements that he refuses to expose to scrutiny and is the first President in memory to refuse to make public his tax returns.
    The man is a fake, a fraud and a figment of wilful imagination for some, like Kates. If you want fiction, watch TV soaps – they’re better entertainment.

  32. Zatara

    I have no such data

    Indeed.

    Spleen spurt is so difficult to chart.

  33. struth

    I have no such data, but I have observed that many comments on this site accept as I do that Trump changed his views extremely radically in order to become a Republican candidate. His past is decidedly NY Democrat.

    His past was having to DEAL with democrats.
    Even if he was a democrat, many conservatives were in their youth.
    Brainwashed in the education system, until life and maturity knock some sense into them.

    So that argument is pointless.

    He has been expert in the spinners art of annoucing some new thing virtually every day and making statements to fog issues every other day, avoiding any real examination of what the man actually does.

    This is called a politician working.
    TDS sufferers and the left can’t keep up and it’s a perfect strategy for that reason.
    Yet please don’t tell me he has achieved nothing in eight months.
    I’ll give you a chance to retract that before others here produce a list for you.

    The man is a fake, a fraud and a figment of wilful imagination for some, like Kates. If you want fiction, watch TV soaps – they’re better entertainment.

    Sorry, those soaps are banned at my house, but you go right ahead.
    I’ll keep up to date with world affairs, and what is really important, thanks.

    What he does is license is name to property developments. He has extensive commercial arrangements that he refuses to expose to scrutiny and is the first President in memory to refuse to make public his tax returns.

    Besides sounding awfully like you suffer from the politics of envy and entitlement, I’d ask you to prove that, but also when it comes to this subject and the problems of the world that he is fighting against, who gives a shit?

    Next you’ll be telling me you don’t like the colour of his hair, so therefore Clinton should be president.
    Surely you can see the fight against global socialism through the U.N. is much more important.
    I refuse him not one cent.
    Wealth in this world is not finite, and he is enabling wealth creation, as we speak.

  34. True Aussie

    It is hard to believe that LIQ was actually ever a general

    Clearly you have not had any dealings with our current military leadership. The Australian military is not for defending our country or protecting Australians. It is another feel good bureacracy run by political arse kissers.

  35. Bigpeteoz

    This very speech by Trump is the reason we need freedom of speech, in its entirety, some things when said cannot be unsaid.
    MAGA as much as Make Australia Great Again, get rid of the totalitarian ideals by allowing them to expose themselves as charlatans.

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