An historical turning point

I was going to put this up already but since it was also mentioned by Bruce of Newcastle, it becomes obligatory: Obama had to spy on Trump to protect himself. Here are the last three lines:

The left is sitting on the biggest crime committed by a sitting president. The only way to cover it up is to destroy his Republican successor.

A turning point in history is here.

If Obama goes down, the left will go down with him. If his coup succeeds, then America ends.

Now read the rest.

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43 Responses to An historical turning point

  1. brennan

    Daniel writes very well. I’ll watch what happens with the story with interest.

  2. And Another Thing

    You’d hope this would be too big for the media to ignore. If the writer is correct, and he sure sounds as though he knows what was going on, it would be the scandal of the century.

  3. Rafe

    It will challenge warmism for the gold medal.

  4. srr

    ha, I don’t hear silence on this thread, I hear the penny dropping and a lot running around, and a lot of, “Oh Shit! Oh Shit! Oh Shit!”, and …. I kept warning people that they were backing the wrong whores.

  5. Sinclair Davidson

    Okay – I’m trying to understand this story. So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive? That isn’t clear. We’ve been led to believe that Obama hated Hillary. Okay. So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself? But he isn’t a candidate. To bring down the Trump presidency? But nobody thought Trump was going to win.

  6. John Comnenus

    As I have posted earlier – the US Government has given the US public sector so much power it is now effectively beyond the control of the elected government. Rather the highly partisan public sector is leading the resistance against the elected government. Just let that sink in. The public service is beyond control of the government of the day.

    In Australia we are doing the same. People like Triggs led the charge using her public sector position to fight the policies of the elected government that she didn’t like.

    The public sector is the most powerful vested interest in Australia. The elected Government of the day either needs to control the public sector or the public sector will control the govenrment.

  7. Andrew

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2503613, posted on September 21, 2017 at 1:19 pm
    Okay – I’m trying to understand this story. So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive? That isn’t clear. We’ve been led to believe that Obama hated Hillary. Okay. So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself? But he isn’t a candidate. To bring down the Trump presidency? But nobody thought Trump was going to win.

    Let’s assume he never stopped hating Illary, despite fastball tracking her towards to WH. Assume he kept hating her.

    She is still a co conspirator in his crimes. Whether or not he hates her, she will not indict him. He will not indict her. She will advance his Regressive legacy – T666 will destroy it. She will praise his foreign affairs choices – T666 will expose their idiocy. He likes Biden – what would a T666 Admin do about Hunter Biden and Ukraine?

    He has nothing to lose from Illary’s advancement. And he cares about the party. They want a 1000 year Reich. What he thinks of Illary personally is irrelevant.

  8. John Comnenus

    Sinc

    because Obama weaponised the bureaucracy to spy on and harass his political opponents during his time in office. He had to cover up his crimes by making sure the Democrats, most of whom benefited politically from his crimes, retained power.

    By the way, how do you know Obama didn’t spy on Hillary as well? I wouldn’t mind betting he was paranoid and spied on Hillary as well.

  9. Rafe

    Sinc I think it is a bit like State of Origin in league. It may not be so intense in AFL if they still do it but club team mates hut each other in State of Origin and players who loathe each other as club rivals will support each other like brothers in the main event. And in the US the main event is the progressive left versus libertarian/conservatism.
    Not that Trumpie iis quite our man.

  10. Rafe

    War makes strange allies. Think of Uncle Joe☺

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sinc – Obama’s guys spied on everyone. He spied on senators and on the supreme court. Trump only came onto his radar when he stood for the primaries and again when he became the candidate.

  12. Gab

    Sinclair, Obama wire tapped Trump so that he could give Sanders info on him. What a shame Obama had nothing on Trump after illegally wiretapping, eh?

  13. stackja

    Obama did what? Big secret!

  14. PoliticoNT

    Sinc – really?

    Obama and allies used the ‘technical cover’ of the FIS Act to run domestic surveillance of the Trump campaign, Trump personnel. The surveillance occurred before the vote, and then following the vote through until inauguration. It looks like, as the author implies, a pattern of behaviour that would be found illegal under US law.

    Putting aside all of the normal tensions that exist between US domestic political opponents – using the organs of state to spy on an opponent would be highly unlikely to get a free pass. Whether it will lead to jail time for any of the Obama-aligned forces is debatable – the system is so constipated as to not even understand the value of removing a blockage.

    But the story….it’s plain as fucking day.

  15. pbw

    So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive? That isn’t clear.

    Force of habit, for one thing. Standard Dem dirty tricks, for another. The Presidency is the glittering prize. Hillary, on any dispassionate analysis, is a severely wounded candidate. Distractions will be needed, especially on the damn server. Supposedly, Trump was the candidate Hillary wanted to run against, because the Dems had a pile of dirty laundry to air at critical moments. But you can never have too much. You have to make sure. And there’s that damn server. And there’s those women of Bill’s. And those women of Hillary’s.

    Then the email leaks start. It’s all hands to the pumps. Russia! Russia! We must get something on Trump and Russia. You may not have noticed, but the whole The Russians are coming! saga is still running, six or nine months past the point of complete absurdity.

    But he isn’t a candidate.

    So he has no pressing interest in the result of the election? With Hillary, the brilliance of his Presidency will continue to shine. With Trump…well, have a look at the incredible shrinking ex-President.

    To bring down the Trump presidency? But nobody thought Trump was going to win.

    That was the objective after the shock which had Hillary weeping in her hotel suite, while Podesta had to dismiss the faithful.

    Does that help?

  16. Arnost

    Okay. So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself?

    Yes, yes, yes… Realpolitcs

    The way I see it, is that Obama would have wanted to ensure a Hillary win – banking on the fact that she would be out in a year or two as she was she was sickly / unstable, and would either retire due to health or be impeached [with the Dems voting to impeach and so get Obama’s handpicked man (Tim Kaine) into the POTUS slot].

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/was-tim-kaine-obamas-handpicked-choice-for-v.p./article/2004583

    And besides – Does Obama only spy on Trump? Or does he spy on all the other GOP candidates? I’d bet they were spying on all of them and he would have been spying on Hillary too – just to get the impeachment dirt…

  17. DM OF WA

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2503613, posted on September 21, 2017 at 1:19 pm
    Okay – I’m trying to understand this story. So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive? That isn’t clear. We’ve been led to believe that Obama hated Hillary. Okay. So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself? But he isn’t a candidate. To bring down the Trump presidency? But nobody thought Trump was going to win.

    I don’t know the truth of the allegations against Obama. However, you seem to be extremely naïve.

    Obama had an obvious reason to help the Democrat candidate: to protect his legacy. As a professional politician he would be comfortable working with a person he despises to advance his goals.

    Obama and other members of the establishment considered Trump to be an unacceptable person to hold the office of president; so unacceptable that, just perhaps, he was willing to take extraordinary steps to prevent Trump from being installed in office.

    Although the Beltway types could never accept the idea that Trump would really win, nevertheless there was always puzzlement concerning why Trump was always in contention, why he continued to resonate with so many voters and that he continually dominated media coverage. There was always genuine concern that Trump seemed invulnerable to all the standard campaign dirty tricks.

  18. So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive?

    To me it is rather obvious. Trump was/is seen as swamp draining maverick who might not pardon a previous presidents crimes.
    Big motive.

  19. Zatara

    Okay – I’m trying to understand this story. So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive? That isn’t clear. We’ve been led to believe that Obama hated Hillary. Okay. So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself? But he isn’t a candidate. To bring down the Trump presidency? But nobody thought Trump was going to win.

    He broke the law but you think why he did so is the issue?

    Bet you wonder how we sunk so low as well.

  20. JamesS

    My take is that the public sector needed a godawful (unlikely) candidate to go up against Hillary so she would win. Enter the Trumpbot. Unfortunately enough women of all colours, middle America and anyone with their eyes open could see what was happening.

    He won, America dodged a bullet. I reckon the major corporate and public sector will pull the rug under the economy before they allow their money and power to be usurped.

  21. Defender of the faith

    Sinclair makes the obvious point. But neglects the fundamental one. This investigation was by the FBI. The same FBI that dumped Clinton emails back on the footpath just before the election. In other words it is about Russians and not about Obama.

  22. Peter

    I think Greenfield’s assertions about Obama’s motives and tactics are pretty obvious and correct. They have been obvious for some time and in a sense his analysis is just a restatement of what was and is going on. Why else has there been such a demented need to tear Trump down, why the frantic efforts to distract the public by faux “Russia Scandals” and the like. Self preservation.

    I seriously hope that these people will be outed and brought to justice. I wonder though, if they will be. There are still too many rats in the ranks within the CIA and FBI and elsewhere within the deep state to make this an easy thing to achieve. So I suspect what will happen ultimately is that there will be a kind of balance of terror which evolves. A policy of mutually assured destruction may emerge between Trump and Obama’s people resulting in Trump finding it convenient to let Obama’s crimes slide instead of pursuing them. Just as he has done with Hillary.

    This has been the pattern of behaviour in Washington for years – crimes committed by a past administration are brushed under the carpet because they are too distracting and therefore may prevent the current Administration from implementing its agenda. Sadly we all know what this means. No punishment means no accountability. No accountability means everyone in power feels free to break the law again an the cycle continues. And so the world goes………

  23. Tom

    So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself? But he isn’t a candidate. To bring down the Trump presidency? But nobody thought Trump was going to win.

    The real question is: why wouldn’t he? He had stacked the bureaucracy with his own appointees and the DNC had told him Trump couldn’t win — until he did. So before November, it was the sheer arrogance of a DNC incumbency that they had believed would continue. After November 8, it was the weaponisation of the bureaucracy via leaks and propaganda to destroy a reformist outsider’s presidency.

    As Greenfield writes, as time has gone on, the DNC has become even more desperate for its invented Wussians fantasy, which was the pretext used before judges to get FISA warrants authorised, to succeed — because if Trump stays in office, a lot of people are going to do time for spying on a political opponent. It is the story of the century — and the corrupt DNC lapdog media are attempting to cover it up.

  24. J.H.

    We’ll see.

    I hope there will be an investigation….. but I can’t see the establishment investigating the establishment. Won’t happen. Just like Gillard was young and naive and it was all so long ago and misogyny and blah, blah, blah… about her role in a crime involving the defrauding of the AWU and the theft of Government training money.

    The media and the Socialist left will propagandize all and every issue into a non issue of no consequence in a sea of muddy waters. The bureaucracy and the judiciary will run scared or pretend ignorance because Government is “To Big to Fail.”

    None of the political elite on any side of Politics is going to admit that the system is corrupted to the core. They just won’t…. they can’t.

    But we’ll watch this space and see what comes of it. The “Russia rigging the election for Trump” situation is such a bizarre excuse, but there it is. Craziness is the new normal which is completely pursued and upheld by the media, the judiciary and the establishment. We are through the looking glass now, sitting at the mad hatter’s party…… and expecting to make sense of the situation.

    We won’t shut up and they won’t be held accountable. Something will break…. I wonder what will happen when it does?

  25. bobby b

    ” We’ve been led to believe that Obama hated Hillary. Okay. So why then does Obama spy on Trump? “

    Because he could.

    Obama loved the power of the presidency. He loved the pomp and the people running after him and the executive pen and messing with people just because he could. He liked to say “because I won”. He never tired of reminding people that he was the President.

    He micromanaged the military for eight years. He told us that he could do the jobs of all of his minions better than they could. He had spy agencies to whom he could give orders. A person such as Obama could no more let that opportunity pass than he could stop breathing.

    He needed no more reason than that.

  26. cuckoo

    So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself?

    Why does the scorpion sting the frog?

  27. pete m

    Somewhat hysterical language.

    You cannot be charged over a “pattern”. A pattern does not prove mal intent. The whole foundation for the article is that 2 sets of eavesdropping were lawful, but because they were meant to attack Trump, that made it unlawful. However nothing shows it was meant for this purpose, and the pattern does not do this.

    And then it blows up into if Obama goes so does the left – lol., As if hydra has one head. As the former VP said, he’s a useful coloured man. I’m sure they have more.

    Obama will not be charged for anything. Trump will not go there. Some underlings at most may cop some hand slaps.

  28. Zatara

    The whole foundation for the article is that 2 sets of eavesdropping were lawful, but because they were meant to attack Trump, that made it unlawful. However nothing shows it was meant for this purpose, and the pattern does not do this.

    They might have been lawful, before Trump’s name was associated with them (count one) and they were publicized (count two). Intent was irrelevant.

    So, they were in violation of US law twice at least.

  29. . Dr Fred Lenin

    I have no doubt there are skeletons in Obamas cupboard ,he probably spied on Trump in order to cover his ass when she was elected . He was brought up in Indonesia by a Muslim father. So English is not really his native language ,very few of his school mates would speak it his culture is muslim and
    Indonesian so corruption comes natural to him . The dems know his secret .but will cover their asses by keeping quiet ,and suppressing the information . Like they did with Sanders crime ,which they used to force him out of the race with hilarity ,must be really jail time stuff to force the old commo to give up his political ambitions so quickly . Still most lawyers and politicians are crooks ,it’s not really surprising , the surprising thing is very few are exposed ,the k]jails would be choc a block full of them .

  30. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2503613, posted on September 21, 2017 at 1:19 pm
    Okay – I’m trying to understand this story. So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive? That isn’t clear. We’ve been led to believe that Obama hated Hillary. Okay. So why then does Obama spy on Trump? To help Hillary? The person he hates? To aid himself? But he isn’t a candidate. To bring down the Trump presidency? But nobody thought Trump was going to win.

    two words: muh legacy.

    It looks like they are going to thumb screw manafort and others till they squeal on Trump.

    The progressive legacy is being demolished day by day. Obama’s entire presidency will amount to a total waste of time.

  31. The Greenfield article is the biggest feat of projection since they relaunched Melbourne IMAX. Every fanciful accusation he makes about Obama matches a very real indictment looming for the Trump campaign/administration.

    Greenfield talks about “patterns”, as if Trump didn’t hire multiple people under surveillance for repeated contact with Russian spies. Greenfield talks about a result being “illegitimate”, as if there isn’t a raft of evidence pointing to the possibility that Kushner colluded with Russian agents to use hacked Democrat voter databases to subvert democracy. Greenfield accuses Obama of starring in a remake of Watergate, when it is Trump who has already had his Saturday night massacre, and tapes of his conversations may implicate him in the hacking of his opponent’s property just as with Nixon. Greenfield talks about the urgency of people who know that they have committed a string of crimes and have to commit more transgressions of morality to survive… which is exactly what Trump and his minions have been doing, with the Comey firing only the tip of the iceberg.

    LOL at Greenberg lecturing others about desperation. That article is the flailing of a desperate man, who can see doom ahead for his hopes and dreams.

  32. Bruce of Newcastle

    Greenfield talks about a result being “illegitimate”, as if there isn’t a raft of evidence pointing to the possibility that Kushner colluded with Russian agents to use hacked Democrat voter databases to subvert democracy

    *Bam*
    I love the sound when a rake hits.
    The Democrats arranged that meeting which went for 20 whole minutes.
    Just enough time for Kushner to hear introductions and what it was about then boot them all out the door.

    That Trump Jr – Russia Meeting Was Arranged by Dem Operative

  33. Snoopy

    as if there isn’t a raft of evidence pointing to the possibility

    Inspector Mugwump is on the case.

  34. Arnost

    Peter…

    … So I suspect what will happen ultimately is that there will be a kind of balance of terror which evolves. A policy of mutually assured destruction may emerge between Trump and Obama’s people resulting in Trump finding it convenient to let Obama’s crimes slide instead of pursuing them. Just as he has done with Hillary.

    Maybe Trump will play N dimensional chess. He may get the drop Obama and the Dems and then ask them to support his policies and vote with him otherwise their house will come tumbling down… 🙂 But then – that is the swamp and all that is bad about it.

  35. Tracey

    I don’t know whether Obama hates Hillary or not; I suspect he probably does given the rancour of their fight for the nomination in 2008. It’s not hard though to imagine why he would have wanted her to win. Firstly, the need to cover his own criminal arse and, secondly, he fully realised that anything rammed through by Executive Order can be just as easily negated by Executive Order and thus is hateful, anti-America legacy is gone.

    What I find unfathomable is that what was so obvious to any ordinary person (such as many of us here on the Cat) was UNTHINKABLE to all the politcal geniuses in the MSM and politics.

  36. Robber Baron

    Obama is not very clever Sinc.

  37. So Obama spied on Trump. For what motive?

    1-) Obama came to office to “Fundamentally change America”. He managed most of what he wanted to do
    A Trump presidency promised to undo all of that….ALL OF IT.

    2-) Benghazi. This is the biggest fear of Obama et al. This is where American weapons, given to ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, ended up in Afghanistan where the Taliban and Al Qaeda used US shoulder mounted missiles to bring down US helicopters. MORE AMERICANS DIED IN AFGHANISTAN DURING OBAMAS TERM than during the early hot days of the war during the Bush term.
    Exposition of this dirty little secret would be the end of Obama, Clinton and the Democrats for decades.

    Only a democrat win would guarantee keeping that dirty secret.

  38. John Constantine

    Their hussein obama armed the enemies of america like he was running an airlift to do so.

    “In the years since, in its global war on terror, the Pentagon has ensured that America’s enemies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere have regularly been able to arm themselves with… well, not to beat around the bush, a remarkable range of U.S. weaponry. The latest such story: a report that in recent fighting around the city of Tal Afar, the Iraqi military recovered a U.S.-produced FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missile and launcher from an Islamic State weapons cache. That’s a weapon capable of taking out an M1 Abrams tank. And this is hardly the first time U.S. anti-tank missiles meant either for the Iraqi military or Syrian rebels backed by the CIA have turned up in the hands of ISIS militants. In 2015, that group released photos of its fighters using U.S.-made BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles.

    Of course, when the American-trained, funded, and armed Iraqi army collapsed in the summer of 2014 in the face of relatively small numbers of ISIS fighters, that group took vast stores of U.S. weaponry and vehicles that they’ve used ever since. But that was hardly the end of it. The U.S. soon began retraining and rearming its Iraqi allies to the tune of $1.6 billion for “tens of thousands of assault rifles, hundreds of armored vehicles, hundreds of mortar rounds, nearly 200 sniper rifles, and other gear,” much of which, a government audit found, the Pentagon simply lost track of. The weaponry, you might say, went missing in action. No one knew whose hands much of it ended up in and this wasn’t a new story, either. For example, in 2007 the Government Accountability Office found that “the United States could not account for nearly 30% of the weapons it had distributed in Iraq since 2004 — about 200,000 guns.”

    Similar stories could be told about Afghanistan, another country where U.S. weaponry has disappeared in remarkable quantities. (The Taliban, for instance, recently released a video of their fighters sporting weaponry normally used only by U.S. Special Operations personnel.) In short, the Pentagon has been arming itself, its allies, and its enemies in a profligate fashion for years now in its never-ending conflicts across the Greater Middle East and Africa. As TomDispatch regular and retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel William Astore suggests today, since 9/11 the U.S. military has in some sense been fighting itself — and losing. Someday, when historians look back on this bizarre tale, they will have to explain one thing above all: Why, year after year, in the face of obvious and repetitive failure in such conflicts, was no one in Washington capable of imagining another course of action? Tom”

  39. Paul

    Assange and snowden were making the point that Obama was illegally spying on Americans.
    No one listened.
    So far everything that Assange released has never been disproved, in other words all true, no one in the Obama admin countered it. It’s the left’s method, never argue with you opponent when you know they are right, just shut up. Hence the fake Russian collusion, easily made because even the demoRats were talking to the Russians, every one was.
    The one fisa order that could end it all for Obama, the one in which the FBI ordered and paid for was over the fake salacious British report that Trump was pissing in the Russian hotel with the prostitutes .
    If the never trumpers in Congress wake up, they should be investigating that one, and Comeys involvement, not just Susan Rice.
    And of course Obama had to sink deeper into this mire because Hillary lost the unlosable. No one would have known of this scam if Hillary won, Obama would be off Scot free.

  40. Docket62 (deplorable)

    As if hydra has one head

    And there within lies the socialist methodology …

  41. Zatara

    Assange and snowden were making the point that Obama was illegally spying on Americans.
    No one listened.

    Not true. The MSM refused to publicize it. You can’t listen to something you can’t hear.

    So far everything that Assange released has never been disproved, in other words all true, no one in the Obama admin countered it.

    Umm, no. Did you ever take a logic course and did you pass?

  42. Leo G

    Fox News are reporting that former US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power “was ‘unmasking’ at such a rapid pace in the final months of the Obama administration that she averaged more than one request for every working day in 2016″ – and even in the days leading up to Trump’s inauguration.

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