What really matters is not what matters but who decides what matters

This is a twitter stream on Big Brother and Protecting Elections which really is not just funny but also relevant and serious. And speaking of Facebook, let me also mention this: Mark Zuckerberg’s Fake News Problem Isn’t Going Away. From which:

In early September, Facebook disclosed that it sold $100,000 in political ads during the 2016 election to buyers who it later learned were connected to the Russian government. Richard Burr of North Carolina and Mark Warner of Virginia, the most senior Republican and Democratic members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, have said they’re considering holding a hearing, in which case Zuckerberg could be asked to testify.

Meanwhile, special counsel Robert Mueller has made Facebook a focus of his investigation into collusion between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s campaign. A company official says it’s “in regular contact with members and staff on the Hill” and has “had numerous meetings over the course of many months” with Warner. On Sept. 21, Zuckerberg said the company would turn over the ads to Congress and would do more to limit interference in elections in the future. Facebook acknowledges that it has already turned over records to Mueller, which suggests, first, that the special counsel had a search warrant and, second, that Mueller believes something criminal happened on Zuckerberg’s platform. . . .

On Sept. 14, ProPublica reported that it had managed to purchase ads targeted at users who’d listed interests such as “Jew hater” and “How to burn Jews.”

Well they’ve stopped that now, but only after it was pointed out to them. Every new technology not only changes the way people find things out but also what things they find out. I am therefore a free speech absolutist which is why we should make it illegal for Facebook or Twitter and other platforms of the same kind to prevent people from saying things there that are perfectly legal to say anywhere else.

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24 Responses to What really matters is not what matters but who decides what matters

  1. Jo Smyth

    There is no doubt that Obama expected the Democrats to win the election and by now they would have been in total control of the media. Before the election he had THE MEETING with all the CEOs of the various outlets including Facebook, Twitter, Google etc and an indoctrination plan would have been drawn up, no doubt. What a unexpected blow it was when Trump won and plans had to be amended, for now. Big brother is still out there.

  2. And then there will be those that say the likes of Facebook, Twitter etc are private companies and should be able to do what they want. Hang on, why was Microsoft, as one example, taken to court so many times doing what a private company should supposedly be able to do?

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    Zuckerberg, who can speak Mandarin, is also quite close to the Chinese.

    You’ve got to wonder, with China’s history in dabbling in other countries, especially in their IT sectors, whether they also dabble in the politics. This Wussians! hysteria seems to be accompanied with absolutely no interest from the MSM about possible Chinese activity.

    Maybe, seeing that Trump had a chummy meeting with Xi in April*, they are saving up for when Wussians! is finally dead and buried.

    * Ok not that chummy since he launched 59 Tomahawks at the Syrian Airforce during dessert.

  4. stackja

    bemused
    #2504672, posted on September 22, 2017 at 3:27 pm
    And then there will be those that say the likes of Facebook, Twitter etc are private companies and should be able to do what they want. Hang on, why was Microsoft, as one example, taken to court so many times doing what a private company should supposedly be able to do?

    And others like Standard Oil, US Steel, A&T

  5. Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker) Gray

    What sort of link makes a connection? My father and mother once spent a week in Russia, over thirty years ago, so am I a Russian spy? A few years ago, I once shook hands with Pauline Hanson, a controversial figure in Australian politics, so am I a Nazi?

  6. Pete of Perth

    My Space are licking their lips.

  7. max

    Mr Kates just for you:

    TRUMP RETWEET CAUSES CHAOS

  8. Yohan

    Facebook disclosed that it sold $100,000 in political ads during the 2016 election to buyers who it later learned were connected to the Russian government.

    Simply a flat out lie. Facebook has disclosed 100k in ads purchased by Russians, not Russians ‘connected to the Russian government’. There is a big difference.

    Furthermore, almost all ads are admitted to be just general marketing spam, not specifically targeting politics one way or the other.

    This is just more conspiracy nonsense which US politicians will fall over themselves to signal about.

  9. rickw

    Zuckerberg, who can speak Mandarin, is also quite close to the Chinese.

    90% chance that fuckerbergers Chinese wife is a Chinese spy / plant.

  10. Frank

    Is it wrong for the Russians to have an opinion on the election and buy adverts to haggle for that outcome?

  11. Crossie

    How fake is Zuckerberg?

    He has always been fake. Facebook came about because he wanted to get revenge on an ex-girlfriend at university. Now he is getting revenge on his ex-countrymen, the Americans. I think he switched allegiance to China some years ago when he invited the Chinese president to name his unborn child.

    I’m getting a major creepy vibe from Zuckerberg.

  12. OneWorldGovernment

    Zuckerberg is a control of the Deep State!

  13. hzhousewife

    Zuckerberg is a traitor to humanity.

    Professional sport is a rort.

  14. Dianeh

    How can Mueller or the Senate Intelligence Committee be sure that the ads in question are the only ones ie that there were not others that favoured the Dems? Did Mueller ask for anti Trump ads as well or pro Hilary ads?

    Also even if easy to see that the ads were ordered by Russian citizens, it doesn’t mean that it was at the behest of the Putin govt , or that it was even financed from within Russia.

    And even if all that could be proved, where is evidence of collusion with Trump and his team. It’s all bullshit.

    What a waste of fucking money this investigation is.

  15. Zatara

    So how did they sort through all the ads and decide that those particular ones were Russian ad buys?

    Were they signed Boris or Natasha?

    What if Rocky and Bullwinkle spoofed a few IPS and used a cutout bank somewhere to pay for them?

  16. Andrew M.

    A related theme in this video from Paul Nielsen.
    https://d2isvgrdif6ua5.cloudfront.net/cinemr_com/719886600963629056/360.mp4

    It’s an argument by analogy that if we were being slowly occupied by members of an obviously nasty ideology that hasn’t been given any defense of political correctness by the Left, people would recognise the threat it posed. But with the fog of PC, the threat goes unrecognised. The free speech impact is that no organised resistance can form if the dissenters and refuseniks are inhibited in expression of their opinion, regardless of whether they form a democratically legitimate majority in society. If this majority in society were morally wrong under principles of equal justice or liberarianism, it would not be possible for the majority to discover how to be right if the argument is inhibited from taking place.

  17. stackja

    Andrew M.
    #2505326, posted on September 23, 2017 at 10:51 am
    A related theme in this video from Paul Nielsen.
    https://d2isvgrdif6ua5.cloudfront.net/cinemr_com/719886600963629056/360.mp4

    It’s an argument by analogy that if we were being slowly occupied by members of an obviously nasty ideology that hasn’t been given any defense of political correctness by the Left, people would recognise the threat it posed. But with the fog of PC, the threat goes unrecognised. The free speech impact is that no organised resistance can form if the dissenters and refuseniks are inhibited in expression of their opinion, regardless of whether they form a democratically legitimate majority in society. If this majority in society were morally wrong under principles of equal justice or liberarianism, it would not be possible for the majority to discover how to be right if the argument is inhibited from taking place.

    Reminds of:

    The boiling frog is a parable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of threats that arise gradually.

  18. Zatara

    As long as we are doing parables…

    One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. “Master,” he said, “let me put my nose in your tent. It’s cold and stormy out here.” “By all means,” said the Arab, “and welcome” as he turned over and went to sleep.

    A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel then said “I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here.” “Yes, you may put your forelegs within,” said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.

    Finally, the camel said, “May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do.” “Yes, yes,” said the Arab. “Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us.” So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself.

    Which is exactly what the left have been doing to society for over a century now. Getting away with small, seemingly innocuous acts until they add up to overwhelming ones.

  19. duncanm

    may explain why Zuckerberg’s dumping a huge swathe of facebook shares

  20. stackja

    Zatara
    #2505409, posted on September 23, 2017 at 12:48 pm

    None Dare Call It Treason
    The seeds of Fabianism were planted in the United States before the start of the 20th Century. Leading English universities exchanged professors, scholars and writings with top American colleges. Sidney Webb himself came to America in 1888. The following year, his Socialism in England was circulated at Harvard and other schools by the American Economic Association. By 1905, American Fabians had formed the Rand School of Social Science in New York and incorporated the Intercollegiate Socialist Society. Within three years, chapters were formed at Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, New York University, and the University of Pennsylvania.

    John Dewey was an educational philosopher. His experimental philosophies of education were first tried in a model school at the University of Chicago before 1900. They were dismal failures. Children learned nothing. Undismayed, Dewey left Chicago in 1904 and went to Teachers College, Columbia University where he became the dominant figure and the most influential man in American education. His influence can be measured by the realization that under Dewey’s guidance fully 20% of all American school superintendents and 40% of all teacher college heads received advanced degrees at Columbia. They adopted Dewey’s experimental theories, which came to be known as “progressive education,” in the schools of the nation. Under the pretext of improving teaching methods, they changed what was taught to American children.
    What did Dewey believe? In his writing and teaching, Dewey rejected fixed moral laws and eternal truths and principles. He adopted pragmatic, relativistic concepts as his guiding philosophy. Denying God, he held to the Marxist concept that man is without a soul or free will. Man is a biological organism completely molded by his environment.
    Dewey believed that because man’s environment is constantly changing, man also changes constantly. Therefore, Dewey concluded, teaching children any of the absolutes of morals, government, or ethics was a waste of time. On this amoral philosophy, he developed his teaching formulae, commonly labelled. Progressive Education.
    Dewey published, My Pedagogic Creed, in 1897. In it he saw the destruction of a child’s individualistic traits as the primary goal of education. Once this was accomplished the youngster would conform or adjust to whatever society in which he found himself. Ability to “get along with the group” became the prime measuring stick of a child’s educational “progress.”
    Taken to a logical conclusion, Dewey’s theory would have the child who finds himself in the company of thieves become a thief also. The tendency to justify immoral or unethical conduct by rationalizing that “everybody does it” is rooted in Dewey’s teaching. Dewey summarized his. theories, saying:
    Education, therefore, is a process for living and not a preparation for future living.

  21. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    I strongly feel that the chief task of the economic theorist or political philosopher should be to operate on public opinion to make politically possible what today may be politically impossible.

    — Friedrich von Hayek

  22. tgs

    I am therefore a free speech absolutist which is why we should make it illegal for Facebook or Twitter and other platforms of the same kind to prevent people from saying things there that are perfectly legal to say anywhere else.

    Unnecessary, impractical and illiberal.

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