Monday Forum: September 25, 2017

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  1. Muddy

    If we’re too mean about Senator David L., he might call us ‘feral’ again. I’m still stinging from last time. Ouch!

  2. egg_

    If we’re too mean about Senator David L., he might call us ‘feral’ again.

    Beats ‘faecal’, for that matter!

  3. Leigh Lowe

    “I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews.”

    I remember buying a suit in the 1970’s and, in the 1990’s, I had the flairs taken in and the vee shaped piece of material inserted in the arse area to accommodate the shifting ballast.
    Now that is a poor man story George.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Man-woman marriage is the heritage of humanity. Defending it, in all its implications, against all forgeries, is a basic and unquestionable human right — unlike the suddenly concocted and bogus “right” to same-sex marriage. Did the Anzacs fight and die for an Australia where we must beg exemptions and indulgence to be heard when we defend true marriage? Functioning, viable societies need freedom of speech. In the framework within which the current debate is conducted, a devious attack on this basic democratic freedom is already implicit.

    Well said. Someone should alert the LDP and their Senator DL, who was looking elsewhere thinking about lunch maybe when the recent draconian edicts were applied. Present in name but not in deed.

  5. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Does lsd count as a meal?

    No, but the case of beer consumed while tripping certainly does.

  6. Gab

    Wow. Have a read of this letter from the NSW Teachers Federation wherein they want to eliminate “heterosexism”. Beacuse it is “discriminatory”.

  7. Andrew

    Were you around when I mentioned how that intended cruel insult (my Ukrainian mother only just escaped the Holodomor), had become a kinda badge of honor since the, ‘Russia! Russia! Russia!’ thing blew up in the Anti-Trumper’s faces?

    Don’t know – I tend to skim your discussions with other cats but read the linked material. I’m happy if you have been regarding it as a badge of honour; I’ve always considered it used in the context of a good-natured distortion of your screen name akin to a nickname rather than intended maliciously. But I concede that recent usage by Fisky and JC have not been in that spirit.

  8. DrBeauGan

    An NFL player is arrested, on average, every seven days.
    Did you know, that as of this writing, it’s been 24 days since an NFL player was arrested? The odds that we would go that long in between player arrests are 25 to 1! In case you were wondering, there’s an entire website dedicated to tracking all the NFL players who have been arrested.

    Not according to my calculations. The probability is around 0.032. That’s three in a hundred.

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “That’s a nice tie, George, matches the suit”.

    As if. Real poverty sends you quickly into the second hand clothing shops; they have that peculiar smell about them, slightly musty, slightly fustian, slightly lightly disinfected. He could at least have picked up a tie in one. Clearly he has no idea at all and is making things up.

    Hey George, tell us another. What did you do for shoes?

  10. Muddy

    So the LDP kneels, rather than stands. But do they kneel head toward us?

  11. Boambee John

    Re-ran the 1993 movie Gettysburg over the last week. Beautifully presented.

    Martin Sheen gave a sympathetic portrayal of Robert E Lee. In the “Making of” bit Ken Burns (who could not be considered a Nazi even under m0nty’s approach to the word) might not have used the exact phrase “good men on both sides”, but that was the tone of his commentary. There was broad agreement about the importance of the Civil War in the development of the US.

    Less than a quarter century later Lee is thating a Soviet style “un-person”. I wonder what Sheen and Burns think of this and the current fashion of “Talibanning” anything to do with the Confederacy.

    If this is to happen as the fascist left desire, there will have to be a world wide recall of all copies of Gettysburg. I could not count the number of Confederate battle flags that appeared.

  12. candy

    I guess SS”M” is higher up the totem pole than free speech to the likes of DL.

    I would say DL has done deals with Malcolm Turnbull – to support this or that policy, and M. Turnbull will help him out in some way, in the same way Oakschott and Windsow did deals with J. Gillard etc.
    It’s probably a matter of secrecy, that’s all, why he has not spoken about it before. Probably Nick Xenophon does deals like that too, that we simply do not know about, and won’t.

  13. Boambee John

    thating = becoming

    Damn spellwrecker!

  14. Nick

    On Fox Classics tonight is the 1958 version of the film, Dunkirk. My old man reactions it’s more realistic than the most recent version.

  15. Snoopy

    I would say DL has done deals with Malcolm Turnbull

    No. Leyonhjelm supports gay marriage at any price. The End.

  16. Muddy

    Wow. Have a read of this letter from the NSW Teachers Federation wherein they want to eliminate “heterosexism”. Beacuse it is “discriminatory”.

    Wait until your kids receive a free 12-month pass to participate in the Community Harmony Guide Program. (Pre-schoolers start as Tree Elves before progressing to Harmony Guides in primary, Fairness Leaders in middle school, and then Pacification Heroes in High School).

  17. srr

    Baloch Activist tells Tommy Robinson: “The West Must Rise!”
    Rebel Media
    Sep 24, 2017
    Tommy Robinson of TheRebel.media visited Geneva, where he spoke to Ahmar Mustikhan, from the American Friends of Balochistan, who explained their struggle and warned against Pakistani influence in Britain and the West.
    [really worth a listen]

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Re-ran the 1993 movie Gettysburg over the last week. Beautifully presented.

    Took a few liberties with history. The sound track was brilliant, and I thought Sam Elliot as John Buford played a good role “They will come booming down that road..”

  19. Snoopy

    ABC 7.30 trots out respected corporate analyst Stephen Mayne to bash Channel 7.

  20. Snoopy

    Honestly, any company these days which employs women or appoints women to its board has a death wish.

  21. Baldrick

    No. Leyonhjelm supports gay marriage at any price. The End.

    Leyonhjelm’s claim that he ‘took his eye off the ball’ is absolute bullshit. He knew what he was voting for and knew it would restrict free speech.

  22. zyconoclast

    Kevin Wilson for Governor General, with full dismissal powers.

    NSFW
    Is that Kevin ‘Bloody’ Wilson?

  23. zyconoclast

    Incidentally, Sinc’s mates at the Conversation ran an article that No voters have “lower cognitive ability.” (For those with low cognitive ability, trust me – it’s not a compliment.)

    As opposed to people who enjoy being fucked up the arse or who fully support being fucked up the arse?!

    Does a savage, unlubricated fisting in the same orifice improve cognitive ability or not?

  24. Andrew

    D.L, we gave you every opportunity.
    You have proved yourself to be an irrelevance and a cuck.

    You’ll recall I pronounced him dead to me when he sided with that Wong chap to censure Brandis666 – itself an admirable thing to do (especially if the motion also includes horsewhipping) BUT this was in defence of the repugnant Triggs. Brandis666 was censured by 1 vote on Lyin’hole’s act because he announced that the govt had lost confidence in Triggs and she had to go. I will never forgive him for that.

    He also played a key role in cheerleading St Mal the Great because of his “ability to negotiate with the cross bench.”

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’d be surprised if any Cat/Kitteh had not worked for nine hours without a designated meal break,
    If you imply there are no readers of the cat who have only held professional class jobs, what are you implying about the quality of the commentary?

    Andrew M I think what your contorted grammar is getting at is that nine-hour shifts are only worked by real wukkas. If that is what you mean, then you are wrong. Let me say that as a one-time academic, during an influenza epidemic when many staff were absent and no part-timers were available, rather than cancel classes I filled in for a twelve hour day sans break: tutorial 9-11, tutorial 11-1, chairing departmental meeting 1-2, lecture 2-3, tutorial 3-5, lecture 5-6, tutorial 6-8. Across three subject areas. I grabbed coffee and a cake on the run between classes.

    Many workers in all areas of the economy sometimes have to make Herculean efforts and most don’t whine about it. Some of my colleagues were whiners though, unable to help etc. It was against my principles to cancel classes when many students had made the effort to attend and I had taught those subjects previously. I guess too it was easier to take the classes myself than try to re-schedule them.

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    oops. Only eleven hours. It just seemed like twelve. 🙂

  27. Diogenes

    Wow. Have a read of this letter from the NSW Teachers Federation wherein they want to eliminate “heterosexism”. Beacuse it is “discriminator

    Gab
    I don’t know who the letter was sent to, because it certainly did not hit my inbox.

    We were recently surveyed about communications and I don’t think they would have been impressed with the answers I gave.

  28. Makka

    So DL is siding with the totalitarians on SSM? Why isn’t dotty in here defending the weasel?

  29. Baldrick

    Wow. Have a read of this letter from the NSW Teachers Federation wherein they want to eliminate “heterosexism”. Beacuse it is “discriminatory”.

    Gab, ‘hetrosexism’ is a word used by Leftards to define discrimination against same-sex attracted couples, not to be confused with heterosexual.

  30. struth

    I really think the term “Main Stream Media” is not the best term to use.
    It really is too centre of the road and sounds almost politically neutral, which of course they are anything but.
    A better term as far as I can see, and one to confuse the lefties (because it is true), would be Corporate Media.

  31. struth

    It would also help our fledgling internet news providers to grab a bigger slice.

  32. Gab

    Diogenes, I was more interested in the last paragraph that stated the NSWTF aims. But I don’t know the original source of the newsletter, however that last paragraph should not be too hard to track back to the NSWTF.

  33. Gab

    Understood, Baldrick. “discrimination or prejudice against homosexuals on the assumption that heterosexuality is the normal sexual orientation.”

    Sorry, but heterosexuality is the NORMAL and majority sexual orientation. If it wasn’t, we’d never have survived as a species.

  34. struth

    NSWTF.
    It all starts in our schools.

  35. Diogenes

    I’d be surprised if any Cat/Kitteh had not worked for nine hours without a designated meal break,

    As the daft bint is in defense, she should do an AFX with an infantry platoon, a nine hour workday sitting on your bum is a luxury.
    (goes into monty python mode)
    When I were a lad, more than 3 hours a night sleep was a luxury, in summer , 40 degree days tramping through that waist high elephant grass at Singleton we had to go a whole day on 2 litres of water). We were lucky to get a hot curry for lunch (where the fitters and turners misread the recipe & put in a cup of curry powder, not a tablespoon – still can’t stand the smell of curry 30 years later), or at Karuah, where the mozzies flew off with a young digger and it rained 10 days straight, and in January we had cases of exposure)

  36. Crossie

    How nice of Frances Abbott to kick her dad in the teeth by supporting Aunt Christine. I suppose there’s still plenty of time until November for the other two to do the same.

  37. Diogenes

    But I don’t know the original source of the newsletter, however that last paragraph should not be too hard to track back to the NSWTF.

    It strikes me as correct – we joke about the dike mafia at the fedrep and organiser level.

    I heard an interesting comment attributed to our organiser that our current fedrep was coming to our school, the incumbent who had the job she filled, had at that point, not heard their transfer request had been approved, let alone the job advertised, and the selection and interview process started.

  38. Crossie

    I really think the term “Main Stream Media” is not the best term to use.
    It really is too centre of the road and sounds almost politically neutral, which of course they are anything but.
    A better term as far as I can see, and one to confuse the lefties (because it is true), would be Corporate Media.

    Corporate media makes them sound rational. I favour Soviet Style Media.

  39. struth

    It is legal for a truck driver to work 14 hour days with a minimum seven hours continuous rest.
    That only concerns driving because they have no way to police the other 4 hours at least a day.
    144 hours.

    Driving a b double up the pacific highway carries a lot more responsibility that a public servant in an office.

    Hearing these stories I am gobsmacked we haven’t gone straight down the S bend already.
    It can’t be long now.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    or at Karuah, where the mozzies flew off with a young digger

    Northern Territory mosquitoes were so big that the techo’s at Tindall pumped a hundred gallons of avgas into one, and hung a pod of rockets off it, before they realized it wasn’t an Iroquois gunship.

  41. Crossie

    Seems the Senator has been absent on a number of issues.

    But as far as Prof Davidson is concerned DL is on the right side of the plain packaging of cigarettes and that’s all that matters.

    BTW, I am not in favour of plain packaging or the gross pictures.

  42. Andrew

    Separately, a neo-Nazi group posted swastikas, images of Adolf Hitler and homophobic messages around the University of Tasmania.

    From FakeNews SMH.

    How the fuck do they know it was a neo Nazi group? Was one caught? Swastikas, Hitler references and hatespeech graffiti is the hallmark of Democrats. 319 fake hate crimes have now been documented.

  43. C.L.

    Separately, a neo-Nazi group posted swastikas, images of Adolf Hitler and homophobic messages around the University of Tasmania.

    Uh-huh.

  44. Mike of Marion

    zyconoclast
    #2508234, posted on September 26, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    I’d use the blunt end of a barge pole!!

    I’m sure it would focus their mind!!

  45. egg_

    Incidentally, Sinc’s mates at the Conversation ran an article that No voters have “lower cognitive ability.” (For those with low cognitive ability, trust me – it’s not a compliment.)

    It wouldn’t surprise that the higher the IQ the higher the propensity for denial of the bleedingly obvious, grist to the PC mill.

  46. Slayer of Memes

    So Frances Abbott is now the darling of the Left for ‘daring to oppose’ her father and voting ‘yes’ for SSM…

    Anyone here remember how the Left felt about Frances Abbott in 2014 when news ‘leaked out’ (read: her private student records was hacked by a part-time staffer) about her scholarship to the Whitehouse Institute?

  47. zyconoclast

    I did not know this about DL. He is a political tart.

    Early political activities
    Politically, Leyonhjelm was a member of Young Labor during the 1970s, and worked on the successful “It’s Time” campaign that helped elect Gough Whitlam, with the goal of ending compulsory military conscription.[15] He later joined the Liberal Party, but resigned his membership in 1996 in protest against the stricter firearm laws introduced by John Howard.[16] Leyonhjelm had been a member of the Shooters Party since 1992, and was chair for a period in 1999.[17] Having fallen out with its founder, John Tingle, he later left the party to protest what he perceived as its increasing social conservatism and status as a “single issue party”.[18][19]

    After leaving the Shooters Party, Leyonhjelm became involved with the federally registered Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), which contests New South Wales elections as the Outdoor Recreation Party.[17][19] He has served as the treasurer and “registered officer” of both parties at various stages, and ran the LDP’s national campaigns at the 2007, 2010, and 2013 federal elections.[20][21] At the 2007 federal election, Leyonhjelm unsuccessfully contested the Division of Bennelong for the LDP,[22] which ran as the Liberty and Democracy Party after the Australian Electoral Commission initially refused to register it under its original name due to the use of the word “Liberal”.[21] For the Outdoor Recreation Party, he unsuccessfully contested the 2010 Penrith state by-election, drawing 1.87 percent of the first-preference vote,[23] and then was listed first on the party’s group ticket at the 2011 state election, which drew 0.75 percent as a group.[24]

    This bit I did know

    In November 2014, Leyonhjelm introduced as a private member’s bill a Freedom to Marry Bill, which would allow same-sex and other forms of non-heterosexual marriage.[34][35]

    DL is for buggery, guns, open borders and against bike helmets in that order of priority.

  48. rickw

    Munty’s mate probably going down for quite some time:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxyCW9phAg

  49. cohenite

    Gab

    #2508211, posted on September 26, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    Wow. Have a read of this letter from the NSW Teachers Federation wherein they want to eliminate “heterosexism”. Beacuse it is “discriminatory”.

    With all due respect to any teachers here I’ve never met a teacher I respect other than the one I married. I respect her because she is competent, frighteningly so actually, has common sense, appreciates that all the innovations introduced by the left and virtue signallers have basically destroyed a generation of kids and the same left dickheads are merely using the education system, once one of the best in the world, as part of Gramsci’s march and couldn’t give a toss for the kids other than their utility in supporting the cause.

  50. Snoopy

    You must admit that being for both guns AND open borders is a consistent policy position.

  51. C.L.

    And so it begins …
    The SMH’s Andrew Webster encourages Aborigines to ape Americans and take a knee.

    Why? Because Trump and same sex “marriage.” Also because Nelson Mandela and Sam Newman.

    Really and truly.

  52. Marcus

    Having fallen out with its founder, John Tingle, he later left the party to protest what he perceived as its increasing social conservatism and status as a “single issue party”.

    Well, that “single issues party” could be about to have three seats in NSW’s lower house within a month, and who knows? It may even get a senator up at the next Federal election. I dare say they have their conservatism to thank for that, given how the NSW Nationals have vacated that field.

    Meanwhile, LDP’s election strategy seems to consist entirely of getting to the left of the Liberals on the Upper House ticket and hoping that enough people vote for them out of ignorance. If you want to know how they got Aaron Stonehouse elected in WA, his region was the only one in the state where they were placed to the left of the Liberals, and it was the only region (I think) where they got over a percent of the vote.

  53. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hi everyone

    I thought you might be interested in some amazing stats in our campaign to help David Dunstan get his guns back.

    It’s raised nearly $19,000, which is a phenomenal result. Our Facebook post supporting the campaign has been shared over 1,100 times, to nearly 210,000 people.

    That’s how much people care about this matter. It’s not about guns, but our rights as people to take reasonable steps to defend ourselves.

    The lawyer we hired for David thanks to your generosity has what he can so far, but now waiting to see what the Registry in Sydney will do (as they are the ones who determine what happens when Notices of Suspension are issued).

    It’s a frustrating wait, which we hope will be over soon. If David gets his guns back, then that’ll be great. If they don’t, then we’ll be ready to act on it.

    Update, from a posting last night.

  54. zyconoclast

    You must admit that being for both guns AND open borders is a consistent policy position.

    I can support this position. Using open borders as target practice for guns.

  55. Snoopy

    The SMH’s Andrew Webster encourages Aborigines to ape Americans and take a knee.

    At least the AFL and NRL are successful and strong enough to cope with any blow back from racist fans.

  56. cohenite

    zyconoclast

    #2508261, posted on September 26, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    I did not know this about DL. He is a political tart.

    Slut even.

  57. Pedro the Ignorant

    The SMH’s Andrew Webster encourages Aborigines to ape Americans and take a knee.

    via CL.

    The only “knee” they should be taking is one square in the goolies.

    Like sTan Grant and his “pull down Cook’s statue” brainfart, these clowns have never had an original idea in their life.

  58. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Like sTan Grant and his “pull down Cook’s statue” brainfart, these clowns have never had an original idea in their life.

    Imagine the tantrums if they got booed?

  59. cohenite

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2508267, posted on September 26, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    Hi everyone

    I thought you might be interested in some amazing stats in our campaign to help David Dunstan get his guns back.

    It’s extraordinary really. Self defence laws in Australia are quite powerful and Dunstan’s response to an armed home invader by pointing an unloaded .22 at him and then performing a citizen’s arrest are covered by them.

    The only possible grounds for what the wallopers have done is his use of his rifle was in a way inconsistent with the licencing criteria but since the licence Dunstan has is for vermin control…

    Seriously, if that is the case then the only gun licence consistent with the self-defence entitlements would be a 1f licence for security.

  60. Rabz

    Separately, a neo-Nazi group posted swastikas, images of Adolf Hitler and homophobic messages around the University of Tasmania.

    Grate. Someone’s let Wilkie out his of cage.

  61. John Constantine

    Australia is the B-Ark.

    Just flicked over to the RE-run of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy on foxtel.

    The episode where the b-ark rejects of the golgafrinchans crash land on Earth, then declare leaves to be currency, then set fire to all the forests to bring supply and demand into balance.

    This is the turnbullites black hand debacle in action.

    Turnbullites is the captain of the crash landed golgafrinchans b-ark, and he is going to burn down the Australian economy to bring gas and ruinables electricity demand back into balance with supply.

    It is the only explanation for the black hand turnbullites that makes sense.

  62. Snoopy

    Separately, a neo-Nazi group posted swastikas, images of Adolf Hitler and homophobic messages around the University of Tasmania.

    No ‘allegedly’ as there was with the Abbott attack.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    THE NATION
    Hate rules as ‘queer power’ leaves its mark on squat

    The Australian
    8:30PM September 26, 2017

    Anthony Klan
    Journalist
    Sydney
    @Anthony_Klan

    The operators of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras are mystified to learn their former premises in the city’s inner west apparently became a squat for a hate group of gay anarchists.

    The Daily Telegraph columnist Miranda Devine on Tuesday posted images to social media taken inside the abandoned warehouse at 297 Trafalgar Street, Petersham. The building was demolished recently.

    The photos show the warehouse walls were painted with anarchist symbols including a 2m-high mural of a burning police car and a large banner reading “Queers Against Cops, Capitalism & Homonationalism”.

    On another wall the words “F**k marriage we want revenge!” were sprayed in black paint.

    From the Oz. Poetic justice, surely?

  64. Rabz

    Have a read of this letter from the NSW Teachers Federation wherein they want to eliminate “heterosexism”. Beacuse it is “discriminatory”

    I think it’s about time we eliminated tachers*. I can’t see how the illiterate innumerate ahistorical young imbeciles currently being busily brainwashed (and sexually abused) could end up any less stupid.

    *Deliberate.

  65. Rabz

    The operators of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras are mystified to learn their former premises in the city’s inner west apparently became a squat for a hate group of gay anarchists.

    LOL. A mystery, indeed.

  66. John64

    The SMH’s Andrew Webster encourages Aborigines to ape Americans and take a knee. Like sTan Grant and his “pull down Cook’s statue” brainfart, these clowns have never had an original idea in their life.

    True, but I bet that tonight Adam Goodes is spewing that this wasn’t thought of before he retired.

    Dropping to the knee during “Advance Australia Fair” would have suited this poseur perfectly.

  67. Mother Lode

    Activist Media?

    Client Media?

    Participant Media?

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dropping to the knee during “Advance Australia Fair” would have suited this poseur perfectly.

    Some unkind soul would point out that he’s less then half Aboriginal, surely?

  69. johanna

    Birds of a feather etc.

    Look, most of us have made mistakes about who to trust. But Hillary continued to trust a woman who continued to be married to a serial sex offender:

    But prosecutor Amanda Kramer urged the judge to give Weiner a significant prison sentence to end his “tragic cycle” of getting caught sexting.

    Weiner’s habit led him to resign his House seat in 2011, doomed his 2013 run for mayor, and rocked Mrs Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign during the closing days of the race, when FBI agents investigating his contact with the teen came across emails on his laptop between Ms Abedin and Mrs Clinton.

    I dunno about other Cats and Kittehs, but if a friend of mine (let alone my most valued personal assistant) was and continued to be married to a serial sex creep, he/she would be fired and struck from the Christmas Card list. Then again, I might empathise with her.

    I suppose that Hillary was totally desensitised to sexual p*rv*ersion.

    Think about it. The US came within a whisker of being run by these people, who are not only the bottom of the barrel, but just crying out to be blackmailed by anyone and everyone.

    Whatever The Donald’s faults, the USA dodged a bullet.

  70. H B Bear

    I think the Australian indigenes might not have the numbers to pull this stuff off. And any one trying it on is likely to be Goodesed by the crowds. Even perennial PITA Heritier Lumumba or whatever he is calling himself today waited till all the cheques cleared before he really started cracking the sads.

  71. BrettW

    Just catching up on the Drum. Clearly the female edition as three female panelists and Jonathan Green and mainly female topics.

    No surprise when discussing Abbott’s daughter promoting the Yes vote that Green had nothing nice to say. Classic line was Abbott had “licenced bigotry” in relation to the campaign. Seems the Yes fans have conveniently forgotten Shorten and Penny Wong previously voted against gay marriage just because it was not party policy. Wong is a major hypocrite in this regard.

    Last bit was about poor old Yassmin in UK who has tweeted that some women on UK TV news are wearing hijabs and she was happy to see it. Naturally panel think hijab wearing news readers a good thing. Host said Yassmin forced to leave Australia.

    Shut it down.

  72. Caveman

    Anthony Dundine would be the go to man to pull the drop knee stunt off. Maybe a re match with Captain Cook would be the catalyst.

  73. H B Bear

    Turkey threatens retaliation after Iraqi Kurdish independence vote

    Not a good start for a new Ottoman Empire.

  74. Last bit was about poor old Yassmin in UK who has tweeted that some women on UK TV news are wearing hijabs and she was happy to see it. Naturally panel think hijab wearing news readers a good thing. Host said Yassmin forced to leave Australia.

    Uh-huh.
    Call it a wild hunch, but I’ve a feeling the Dumb panel won’t be pulling on a Burkha themselves.

  75. 132andBush

    Turnbullites is the captain of the crash landed golgafrinchans b-ark, and he is going to burn down the Australian economy to bring gas and ruinables electricity demand back into balance with supply.

    Yep and right now we’re arguing about what colour the hexagonal “wheels” of the economy are to be painted!!
    Have another gin and tonic, captain Mal.

  76. Mike of Marion

    This drone operator may really invoke the wrath of the FRA and Union Pacific Railway.

    He is one hell of a drone operator though.

  77. egg_

    Shut it down.

    Trash TV, makes The Project look good.

  78. Crossie

    All this agonising about North Korea is just showbiz. We all know that this is China’s dog barking and it will not be let off the leash. If it does get off the leash and causes significant damage anywhere it will not only be the end of NK but China will be in deep trouble.

  79. Andrew

    Understood, Baldrick. “discrimination or prejudice against homosexuals on the assumption that heterosexuality is the normal sexual orientation.”

    WTFF do these people THINK the normal orientation is, FFS?? It’s bloody well not one of the other 57!

  80. JC

    He’s right. The final nail in the coffin is the cheerleader nonsense.

    On the NFL front, I see agitators are attempting to push the NFL off a cliff for good — advocating that they should permit transgender cheerleaders into the league. This would complete the NFL’s destruction, as an organization, and remove whatever straight men are left watching the game from their ranks. As a society, we could only hope for such happenings, as professional sports have become something of a perverse novelty, undeserving of our time and money.

  81. Crossie

    Anyone here remember how the Left felt about Frances Abbott in 2014 when news ‘leaked out’ (read: her private student records was hacked by a part-time staffer) about her scholarship to the Whitehouse Institute?

    Poor Frances Looking For Love In All The Wrong Places.

  82. Crossie

    On the NFL front, I see agitators are attempting to push the NFL off a cliff for good — advocating that they should permit transgender cheerleaders into the league. This would complete the NFL’s destruction, as an organization, and remove whatever straight men are left watching the game from their ranks. As a society, we could only hope for such happenings, as professional sports have become something of a perverse novelty, undeserving of our time and money.

    Bread and circuses worked for Ancient Rome for a while and only while it was actually entertaining. Once it became tedious and just pain ugly it was all over. We moved very quickly from entertaining into ugly so obviously something will p end. I’m just hoping that only the circuses end rather than the whole civilisation.

  83. BrettW

    Been reading a few things about the NFL kneeling / anthem saga. Seems like the players / owners now turning it into an anti Trump thing but using the national anthem as part of it. Good luck to any player who is uncomfortable with participating.

    When you have a player, who is former Ranger with three tours of Afghanistan, who cant or wont be involved in acknowledging the anthem then you have serious problems. Incidentally he is considered one of the lower paid players in his position at US$6m a year. Whilst team members are showing support for their team mates it would appear in some teams this is going to affect team relationships (one team QB expressed regret for joining the protest). Doubt many fans appreciate black players raising their fists which is the black power salute.

    The owners need to get a grip as if they keep it up they are going to make the games all about protests rather than concentrating on the game.

    They are doing a good job of alienating their fan base.

  84. Bruce in WA

    On Fox Classics tonight is the 1958 version of the film, Dunkirk. My old man reactions it’s more realistic than the most recent version.

    1. Watching it. Brilliant. want one of those .303s. Enjoy John Mills’s shooting; he works the bolt without taking the rifle from his shoulder or destroying his right picture. Good training by someone.

    2. Kevin Bloody Wilson has been (in his real life form), one of my closest friends since 1978. He is a warm, generous loving family man and a loyal friend. He is also a workaholic who says “The harder I work, the luckier I get. Funny that.” Rodney Rude demeans his audience; KBW appreciates them too much to do that.

    3. Frances Abbott: My daughter and I are diametrically opposed politically. Yet I admire her stance and her reasoning, and I’m proud she stands by her convictions. I’m sure TA feels the same about his daughter; although what an exercise junkie thinks may be problematic (there, I said it!) and worth two knobs of goat poo.

    4. Leyonjhelm: What you see is NOT what you get. Enough said.

    5. Howard and guns: I will vilify him to my grave … or his … whichever comes sooner.

  85. Bruce in WA

    right picture = sight picture FFS!

  86. Makka

    I see agitators are attempting to push the NFL off a cliff for good — advocating that they should permit transgender cheerleaders into the league.

    Hahahahaha. Big hairy legged trannie cheerleaders.Like the ones in that movie with Bert Reynolds and his inmates team playing the prison guards.Will the NFL cuck it?

    The NFL is all but fkd anyways. Once the brain damage lawsuits start coming in it’s all over red rover. It’s a rubbish code anyways. Boring as. Made to look much better in films than it is as a sport in real life. The best thing about the game is the entertainment and now the left will do their best to screw that too. Great way to win support to the Gaynazi agenda.

  87. chrisl

    Don’t know how it happened but ended up with a spare Grand Finals ticket

    Go Tigers!

  88. egg_

    Honestly, any company these days which employs women or appoints women to its board has a death wish.

    If the trend is for the world NOT to be run by rich old white men, small wonder we’re literally going to hell in a hand-basket

  89. It’s a rubbish code anyways. Boring as. Made to look much better in films than it is as a sport in real life.

    GO THE BENGALS

    They’ll choke in the playoffs again

    As fvking usual

    I love NFL

  90. Infidel Tiger

    Don’t know how it happened but ended up with a spare Grand Finals ticket

    Go Tigers!

    Give it to me, please.

  91. Fergus

    Black men with “owners”. Surely they don’t refer to it like that!

  92. 2. Kevin Bloody Wilson has been (in his real life form), one of my closest friends since 1978. He is a warm, generous loving family man and a loyal friend. He is also a workaholic who says “The harder I work, the luckier I get

    I’ve seen him live twice, the last time in about 2005 with his daughter as backup, they can both eviscerate a heckler and a entertaing live show.

  93. Makka

    I love NFL

    I did too, in the 90’s .

  94. chrisl

    Infidel Tiger
    I’m going to “allocate” it to the person with the biggest hard luck story.
    So far it is a girl who was promised a ticket by her boyfriend.
    They split up
    He reneged
    She is crushed
    The rest of the family is going…

  95. Whoa, I never knew there were so many anti-Rude wowsers on this site. Talk about church ladies, it’s like a CWA branch meeting.

  96. Bruce in WA

    I’ve seen him live twice, the last time in about 2005 with his daughter as backup, they can both eviscerate a heckler and a entertaing live show.

    His daughter was in nappies when I first met her. She and my younger daughter were close when we lived in Kal. She (Jenny Talia aka T-J Dennis) has a fabulous voice. (And she wrote the song.) I think she would have made it straight ….

  97. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Infidel Tiger
    I’m going to “allocate” it to the person with the biggest hard luck story.
    So far it is a girl who was promised a ticket by her boyfriend.
    They split up
    He reneged
    She is crushed
    The rest of the family is going…

    What was the old joke about the bloke sitting on Grand final day, with an empty seat next to him?

    Someone asks how there’s a spare seat and he says that he’d brought the ticket his wife, but she passed away recently.

    “Oh, well, wouldn’t one of your family be able to attend instead?”

    “Just not possible, mate, they’ve all gone to her funeral.”

  98. Bruce in WA

    Whoa, I never knew there were so many anti-Rude wowsers on this site. Talk about church ladies, it’s like a CWA branch meeting.

    Nothing to do with wowswerism; he’s just a dickhead. Mr Keft calls his shows “bank raids”; he does them when he needs some money for his farm just outside Bathurst … which is all he’s interested in.

  99. Bruce in WA

    wowswerism = wowserism … effing fat fingers!

  100. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Whoa, I never knew there were so many anti-Rude wowsers on this site. Talk about church ladies, it’s like a CWA branch meeting.

    monty, speaking as someone whose mother was a staunch member of the Country Women’s Association, you have no idea about what goes on, at branch meetings. Those redoubtable ladies have a capacity for scheming and plotting that the Borgia Popes would envy, and an intelligence network that makes the Israeli’s look like rank amateurs.

  101. Fisky

    On the NFL front, I see agitators are attempting to push the NFL off a cliff for good — advocating that they should permit transgender cheerleaders into the league. This would complete the NFL’s destruction, as an organization, and remove whatever straight men are left watching the game from their ranks. As a society, we could only hope for such happenings, as professional sports have become something of a perverse novelty, undeserving of our time and money.

    This is a really good idea. Trannies are the WMD of everything.

  102. calli

    “I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews.”

    Chuckle. What’s the bet he burned his underpants to keep warm?

  103. Infidel Tiger

    I support the Tigers, what more of a hard kick story do you need?

  104. monty, speaking as someone whose mother was a staunch member of the Country Women’s Association, you have no idea about what goes on, at branch meetings. Those redoubtable ladies have a capacity for scheming and plotting that the Borgia Popes would envy, and an intelligence network that makes the Israeli’s look like rank amateurs.

    You’re right Zulu, I was disrespecting the CWA (of which my grandmother was a staunch member). By comparison, the Cat couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

  105. calli

    Just back from Macau. Grubby, glitzy, hot as a furnace with 87% humidity.

    Worth a visit, but just for a day. Unless you like casinos – many and varied ways to lose money and add to the personal income tax free economy. We went to The Venetian, complete with a re-creation of the Grand Canal.

    And exquisite Portugese tarts.

  106. The Yes campaign is effectively the project of self-conscious bougies. As we saw yesterday, the avant garde homosexual is a Noer as opposed to the Ikea queens of this world who are desperate to mimic their straight bougie friends and whose parents crave sameness for their child at whatever cost.

    We kid ourselves thinking that the chief threat to Western civilization is Leftism. It isn’t. What is is the morality of the social climber, or bougie. They are the ones with the Yes overlay on facebook right now.

  107. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Those redoubtable ladies have a capacity for scheming and plotting that the Borgia Popes would envy, and an intelligence network that makes the Israeli’s look like rank amateurs.

    That made me laugh, Zulu. Thanks. A nice to end a dull day dealing with the rise of Christian historiography – the revolution of the fourth century. It only made two lines worth of my writing today (if I am bored with it, think about how the poor audience will be feeling, I argue to myself), but at least I am getting back into it. I’ve forgotten where I was with it all, I wail to Hairy who has pushed me into my ‘writing room’ tonight with stern instructions to keep off da Cat, don’t waste more time with desultory internet shopping and ffs get it done.

  108. C.L.

    Yessers are desperate for a PR win – a fresh, substantive and zesty change of direction.
    Monty arrrives with 74 year-old bum-wee-poo comic, Rodney Rude – whose career highlight was a curtain call at the Ettamogah Pub for the Bandidos back in 1982.

  109. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ps. apropos of the wallpaper discussion yesterday, to go French or not, I have discovered a site selling Trompe d’oeil paste-on pictures made specifically for doors. Bingo! Hairy thinks it will look terrible but we shall see, we shall see. A temporary fix anyway, so it may not be so bad.

  110. Harlequin Decline

    calli
    #2508333, posted on September 26, 2017 at 11:32 pm

    Chuckle. What’s the bet he burned his underpants to keep warm?

    Seen it happen-by accident. Ski touring in the Snowies with a friend and for a bit of warmth we managed to get a fire going on a rock in the snow. My friend’s clothing had become a bit damp from falling in the snow so he disrobed , put on his top layer back on and then stuck his undercrackers on a stick suspended over the fire. Worked fine and a good amount of steam came off until the stick slipped and they dropped into the fire. He managed to fish them out with another stick but by then a ragged black hole had been burnt in the arse.

    Turned to me with a perplexed look saying ‘How am I going to explain this to the wife?’

  111. Yes, yes, the brains of the Yes movement sitting around a table thinking of a stratagem to get them out of their current funk and Monty declares: By gee, by gingo, by cricky, of have it…Rodney Rude!

  112. C.L.

    Hey JC, earlier today the Stimpinator requested a budget boost for the hotline.
    He has a point.

  113. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Worth a visit, but just for a day.

    Agree. That ancient front to the ruined Cathedral on the skyline atop some steps was interesting; can’t remember anything much more about the place. Casinos. Heat. Ferry ride to and from. A long time ago now. Those Portuguese tarts this late at nite are bound to cause some ructions within the nightshift looking for something to go on about until Tom arrives at 4am with the pictorial change of shift. 🙂

  114. Who elected me head of the Yes movement? I’m just a random blog commenter. Nice try though, Noie losers.

  115. Man-woman marriage is the heritage of humanity. Defending it, in all its implications, against all forgeries, is a basic and unquestionable human right — unlike the suddenly concocted and bogus “right” to same-sex marriage. Did the Anzacs fight and die for an Australia where we must beg exemptions and indulgence to be heard when we defend true marriage?

    Damn that is a good quote, and yet that is where we are.

  116. C.L.

    Trump claims a win:

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    But while Dallas dropped to its knees as a team, they all stood up for our National Anthem. Big progress being made-we all love our country!
    8:47 PM – Sep 26, 2017

  117. srr

    BrettW
    #2508289, posted on September 26, 2017 at 9:25 pm
    Just catching up on the Drum. Clearly the female edition as three female panelists and Jonathan Green and mainly female topics.

    No surprise when discussing Abbott’s daughter promoting the Yes vote that Green had nothing nice to say. Classic line was Abbott had “licenced bigotry” in relation to the campaign. Seems the Yes fans have conveniently forgotten Shorten and Penny Wong previously voted against gay marriage just because it was not party policy. Wong is a major hypocrite in this regard.

    Last bit was about poor old Yassmin in UK who has tweeted that some women on UK TV news are wearing hijabs and she was happy to see it. Naturally panel think hijab wearing news readers a good thing. Host said Yassmin forced to leave Australia.

    Shut it down.

    Shut it down alright.

    They choose to make time for this now, just after the YESSers attack NO voters so often and publicly, including physically assaulting our previous PM and Calling For The Burning of Christian Churches and Christians, repeated all over all media …. and we also had this news go out around the world about the Sudanese Murderer in Tennessee who targeted and shot 7 Christians in a Christ Church –

    On February 17th, Samson shared a video of Muslim activist Yasmeen Abdel-Magied defending Sharia law against Australian Senator Jacqui Lambie. Samson wrote “You can’t converse with some people, that’s the unfortunate truth. Folk will accept what you have to say when they want/ready to.”:
    [go to the screen shot. see what the enemy don’t want you to see]
    (FACEBOOK SCREENSHOT http://ARCHIVE.IS/UP1QU )
    [copy and paste that whole line, including the parentheses into your search bar]

  118. Bruce in WA

    Turned to me with a perplexed look saying ‘How am I going to explain this to the wife?’

    Beans. And bacon. Always beans and bacon … with Tabasco.

  119. srr

    Same sex marriage in Australia – why I have to vote ‘No’
    Bearing
    Sep 26, 2017
    Same sex marriage in Australia – why I have to vote ‘No’. Regards, Bearing

  120. Harlequin Decline

    Bruce in WA
    #2508357, posted on September 27, 2017 at 12:25 am

    How are you doing today?

  121. Slayer of Memes

    You gotta hand it to Trump, he’s owning Lefties around the world.

    Their latest brain-fart is that since the NFL’s #TakeAKnee protest about the Don’s tweets is going so well, it should be repeated everywhere that Donald Trump shows up. Yep, that’s right. They are trying to kickstart a ‘grassroots’ movement to have everyone kneel whenever Trump shows up anywhere…

    Kneel before Zod Trump.

  122. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Rodney Keft (Rude) deserves some credit for fighting obscenity charges in both WA and Qld back in the day – and winning. He isn’t too bright though, which explains his confusion about SSM and what it’s really all about.

    As a “blue” comedian, he was popular but mediocre. Anyone up for a proper serve of anti PC funny owes it to themselves to become acquainted with Oscar Swarv.

  123. Slayer of Memes

    The NFL House of Cards
    by Victor Davis Hanson September 25, 2017 11:59 AM

    The problem with the NFL is not just Donald Trump, but the greater dilemma that the league’s reason to be has become predicated on a labyrinth of lies.

    The majority of the viewing audience is not young, hip, and loyal as hyped, but, even if fading, still largely reflects the majorities in red-state America that have no patience with gratuitous insults to the National Anthem and flag. The NFL apparently never grasped the political truism that you never insult your base and core supporters; sympathetic CNN talking heads and the solidarity of progressive political activists will not turn around sagging revenues, but will only contribute to them.

    Outside the NFL bubble today, most of America, to the extent it still watches, now sees Sunday afternoon pop demonstrations as increasingly a farce, played out among players who appear neither exploited nor as exemplary model sportsmen, but rather as overpaid and pampered. Given the NFL’s enormous overhead, even a 10–20 percent reduction in attendance and viewing could send financial tsunamis throughout the league.

    Nor do the protesting players come across as informed, brave social-justice warriors on the barricades of dissent, but as mostly unable to explain to their fans precisely why and how they are mistreated or why America is a flawed society that does not deserve momentary iconic respect each week. If players were concerned about violence and injustice, why not collect a voluntary 10 percent contribution from the league’s multimillionaire players and use it to fund programs that address systematic and lethal violence in inner-city communities such as Baltimore or Chicago? And if ethics and values are the players’ issues, why over the last decade has there been an increase in player off-field violence and arrests, often marked by well-publicized violence against women?

    The owners, again fairly or not, are not viewed any longer so much as maverick tycoons and eccentric entrepreneurs or philanthropic regional family dynasties of the past, but rather as billionaire corporate magnates who invest their riches in glitzy cultural trophies and expect the state to subsidize their excesses. They are going down the Google/Apple/Facebook grandee path of losing their cultural appeal and, with it, their brand.

    Sports analysts are no longer predictably informative and pleasant or at least humble, but often half-educated former jocks or nerds who imagine themselves pop Socratic philosophers as they so often talk edgy and snarky, and often down to their supposedly politically unaware audiences.

    As the size and strength of players radically increased, the nature, rules, and culture of the game ossified — as if linemen were still six feet tall and 200 pounds and contact was the stuff of bruises and bumps. And the result is a growing level of brutal violence and brain injury that is analogous to a Roman gladiatorial arena.

    The NFL is said to reflect a progressive 21st-century culture. But if so, it is hardly ethnically and racially diverse. Instead, the league is based on old-fashioned meritocratic criteria, and thus participation is based solely on athletic talent and skill-sets. That admirable trait nonetheless ensures that the NFL is antithetical to the entire progressive dogma of proportional representation and disparate impact that demand even quasi-public entities “look like us.”

    And thus, despite the absence of racism or deliberate exclusion, elsewhere non-diverse businesses or government subsidized operations still must make the necessary inclusive efforts to diversify. Surely there are skilled Asian-American and Latino athletes who could be mentored and integrated into a lucrative and prestigious league whose players are about 75 percent African-American — a participation rate over six times disproportionate in terms of demographical realities. Again, these are left-wing mantras that a left-wing NFL apparently feels do not apply to itself.

    The fan and viewer may not express such blanket disdain, but they sense all these contradictions and are well past exasperated.

    And Donald Trump?

    He no more created these crises in the NFL than he did the North Korean thermonuclear capability. If it is certainly long-term and strategically unwise for a busy chief executive and commander in chief, facing a host of inherited existential crises, to wade into a lose-lose NFL quagmire, he nonetheless may see it for a day or two as short-term and tactically advantageous. And he may be right.

  124. Empire GTHO Phase III

    He no more created these crises in the NFL than he did the North Korean thermonuclear capability. If it is certainly long-term and strategically unwise for a busy chief executive and commander in chief, facing a host of inherited existential crises, to wade into a lose-lose NFL quagmire, he nonetheless may see it for a day or two as short-term and tactically advantageous. And he may be right.

    The obvious question fans are asking: why do generously compensated meatheads hate their country?

    A week of this won’t bother POTUS45 in the slightest.

  125. Top Ender

    From behind the firewall: The failure of ‘Yes’ to control its militant wing

    THE squatters living in a derelict warehouse in Petersham were polite enough when told to move out.

    Greg Colbran, the development manager from Deicorp, bumped into them in May as he went to lock up the building at 297 Trafalgar Street in preparation for knocking it down to build a new home for the Petersham RSL club across the road.

    Neighbours say the squatters had been in the building for several weeks.

    “This is private property. What are you doing here?” Colbran said to the young adults who had set up camp inside a building that for many years had been the headquarters of the “New Mardi Gras”, and, more recently, the Psyklonic visual effects company.

    But the squatters gave Colbran no trouble when he told them to leave, so he didn’t give it another thought, and never saw what they had done to the walls.

    The demolition team moved in so soon afterwards they found fresh eggs still in a fridge, and 13 chairs and two couches arranged in a circle as if for a meeting.

    But what they also discovered on the walls were the classic marks of militant left wing or antifa groups — with an LGBTIQ bent.

    There was disturbing wall “art” depicting a police car engulfed in flames and a masked Antifa type holding a Molotov cocktail.

    Another wall was painted red with the words “F**K MARRIAGE, WE WANT REVENGE!” in black, and a transgender symbol.

    On another wall was written: “You only gave us rights cos we gave you riots! QUEER POWER”.

    There was a red and black banner reading, “Queers Against Cops, Capitalism & Homonationalism.

    The building since has been turned into a pile of rubble, but it gives fresh insight into a phenomenon that appears to have blindsided the Yes side of the same-sex marriage postal plebiscite, as public support wanes.

    The militant left has hijacked the debate in frightening fashion.

    Last weekend, protesters stormed the Melbourne launch of the Coalition for Marriage, chanting “Crucify Christians” and unfurling a banner which read: “Burn Churches not Queers”, complete with a red Anarchy symbol.

    We’ve seen violence and expletives directed at Catholic students manning an “It’s OK to Say No” stall at Sydney University. We’ve seen No campaign corflutes vandalised in systematic fashion. We’ve seen celebrated Fairfax columnist Benjamin Law threaten on twitter to “hatef**k all the anti-gay MPs”. We’ve seen the tragic car bombing of the Australian Christian Lobby headquarters in Canberra.

    So much for “love is love”.

    The intimidation has a hard edge peculiar to the “Yes” side, and it’s no good to insist it’s only from fringe-dwellers, or that there’s fault on both sides, when it’s clear that the militant anarchist left has a vested interest in the outcome, and woe betide Australia if they don’t get what they want.

    The failure of the “Yes” campaign to control this militant wing is the big story of the postal plebiscite.

    And it has implications for all those virtue-signalling politicians and companies fooled into thinking they would enhance their brand by leaping aboard the Marriage Equality bandwagon.

    The extent of their superficial grasp of the issue to which they have hitched their fortunes is laid bare in 38 replies received by Labor MLC Greg Donnelly to a letter he sent to more than 100 CEOs signed up to the Yes campaign

    With a background in workplace relations, Donnelly wrote on behalf of employees concerned about job security if they did not agree with their bosses’ activism.

    He asked whether an employee’s failure to support the company’s same-sex marriage policy would prejudice advancement opportunities.

    The companies who responded used remarkably similar language.

    IAG: “has a proud history of supporting diversity and inclusion in the workplace… We consider our position on the important issue of same sex marriage to be aligned with this.”

    Commonwealth Bank: “We have long believed that diversity and inclusion are strengths to be celebrated.”

    Dow Chemical: “has a long a tradition and strong corporate values of supporting diversity and inclusion in the workplace… Marriage equality is clearly on the continuum of rights that all people deserve”.

    QBE: “recognises the value of a diverse workforce and we believe diversity and inclusion is essential for a strong, successful company”.

    Telstra: “We support diversity and inclusion because they have long been the hallmarks of our business”.

    APRA: “is guided by an Inclusion and Diversity strategy… [which] refers to the acknowledgment and acceptance of differences including, but not limited to, gender, ethnicity, race, ability, sexual orientation and age.”

    Bankwest: “We believe that diversity and inclusion are strengths to be celebrated”.

    Westpac: “We have supported Marriage Equality for many years as part of our Diversity and Inclusion approach as it is an important issue for many of our people.”

    Bank of Queensland: “is a firm supporter of diversity with its workplaces… the issue of marriage equality is basic right everyone deserves”.

    Mastercard: “Diversity and inclusion are important issues for MasterCard… Our support for diversity and inclusion extends to a diversity of beliefs.”

    Google: “I want to strongly reiterate that equality, respect, diversity and inclusion are not only important to Google but also to me personally.”

    None allayed Donnelly’s workplace concerns. All cited the “diversity and inclusion” mantra, but did not explain why changing the definition of marriage was essential to that cause.

    They have not thought through the consequences of their corporate virtue-signalling, nor considered the possibility it will come back to bite them, as the dark side of the rainbow emerges.

    Daily Tele

  126. srr

    PARIS PROSECUTORS FINALLY LABEL
    MURDER OF ELDERLY WOMAN AN ANTI-SEMITIC CRIME

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/09/26/[email protected]-semitic-crime/

    VILE ANTI-SEMITIC RANTS AS
    UK’S FAR LEFT CALLS FOR EXPULSION OF J#WISH GROUPS

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/09/26/vile[email protected]wish-groups/

    All while we still aren’t free to openly link to these serious subjects for more informed discussion, but hey, so what, it’s not as if data miners have to worry about all the canaries falling at their feet ….

  127. Slayer of Memes

    The obvious question fans are asking: why do generously compensated meatheads hate their country?

    Another obvious question many of them are also asking is: How oppressed is a man who made $19million a year throwing a pigskin around really?

    Which then leads to the question raised in the article above:

    If players were concerned about violence and injustice, why not collect a voluntary 10 percent contribution from the league’s multimillionaire players and use it to fund programs that address systematic and lethal violence in inner-city communities such as Baltimore or Chicago?

    (Note that both Baltimore and Chicago are Democrat-ruled fiefdoms, and have been for decades, and have been plagued with gang-violence, etc under those Democrat administrations thanks to the inept, bungled, and outright corrupt policies implemented by so-called ‘progressives’…)

  128. Stimpson J. Cat

    advocating that they should permit transgender cheerleaders into the league.

    Oh what the f$ck is this degenerate debauchery.

    First Joe Football Loving American Public stood quietly by and took the fake t$ts.
    Then he stood quietly by and took the fake tanned fake t$ts.
    Then he stood quietly by and took the fake tanned fake ethnic t$ts.

    But I can tell you right now,
    he will not stand quietly by and take fake tanned fake man t$ts.

    This sh$t will not stand,
    Goddammit!!!!!

  129. Persistently Unconscious Patient Awakened:

    Ever since Terri Schiavo, writing about the wrongness of removing feeding tubes from patients diagnosed with persistent unconsciousness (PVS)–we should never call them “vegetables,” a term as denigrating and dehumanizing a racial epithet–is like spitting in the wind. But, what the heck. As mentioned above, such patients are often dehydrated to death by having their feeding tubes removed, which takes up to two weeks. Never mind that some 40% of such diagnoses are erroneous. Never mind that some of these people may feel the agony of not eating or drinking if so misdiagnosed. Bioethics and law treat artificial nutrition and hydration as a medical treatment, and any medical treatment can be refused or withdrawn. But what if scientists found a way to awaken such patients? That may be on the way after an unconscious patients seems to have been roused through nerve stimulation. From the Guardian story:

    A 35-year-old man who had been in a persistant vegetative state (PVS) for 15 years has shown signs of consciousness after receiving a pioneering therapy involving nerve stimulation. The treatment challenges a widely-accepted view that there is no prospect of a patient recovering consciousness if they have been in PVS for longer than 12 months. Since sustaining severe brain injuries in a car accident, the man had been completely unaware of the world around him. But when fitted with an implant to stimulate the vagus nerve, which travels into the brain stem, the man appeared to flicker back into a state of consciousness. He started to track objects with his eyes, began to stay awake while being read a story and his eyes opened wide in surprise when the examiner suddenly moved her face close to the patient’s. He could even respond to some simple requests, such as turning his head when asked – although this took about a minute.

    We have almost certainly deliberately starved patients to death simply because they couldn’t communicate their wakefulness to us.
    RTWT.

  130. Top Ender

    This is outrageous:

    If players were concerned about violence and injustice, why not collect a voluntary 10 percent contribution from the league’s multimillionaire players and use it to fund programs that address systematic and lethal violence in inner-city communities such as Baltimore or Chicago?

    What’s wrong with 40%?

  131. Tintarella Di Luna

    Thank you Tom for your kind contributions Garrison’s certainly captures the sheer arse-ery of the take-a-knee-ers

  132. Tintarella Di Luna

    I mean Delonas though Garrison does neatly with the consequences of the arse-ery

  133. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    IAG: “has a proud history of supporting diversity and inclusion in the workplace… We consider our position on the important issue of same sex marriage to be aligned with this.”

    Commonwealth Bank: “We have long believed that diversity and inclusion are strengths to be celebrated.”

    Dow Chemical: “has a long a tradition and strong corporate values of supporting diversity and inclusion in the workplace… Marriage equality is clearly on the continuum of rights that all people deserve”.

    QBE: “recognises the value of a diverse workforce and we believe diversity and inclusion is essential for a strong, successful company”.

    Telstra: “We support diversity and inclusion because they have long been the hallmarks of our business”.

    APRA: “is guided by an Inclusion and Diversity strategy… [which] refers to the acknowledgment and acceptance of differences including, but not limited to, gender, ethnicity, race, ability, sexual orientation and age.”

    Bankwest: “We believe that diversity and inclusion are strengths to be celebrated”.

    Westpac: “We have supported Marriage Equality for many years as part of our Diversity and Inclusion approach as it is an important issue for many of our people.”

    Bank of Queensland: “is a firm supporter of diversity with its workplaces… the issue of marriage equality is basic right everyone deserves”.

    Mastercard: “Diversity and inclusion are important issues for MasterCard… Our support for diversity and inclusion extends to a diversity of beliefs.”

    Google: “I want to strongly reiterate that equality, respect, diversity and inclusion are not only important to Google but also to me personally.”

    Diversity and inclusion. Its pretty clear who rules over you by knowing who & what you can’t criticise.

    Socialism is a mental illness.

  134. Sparkx

    Thank you Tom. A great selection this morning.

  135. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Merkel may still be Chancellor, but the election result signals the beginning of the end for grand coalitions and does not bode well for Europes biggest economy.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/has-merkel-been-undermined-in-germany/

  136. feelthebern

    The Saudi’s have lifted the ban on women driving.
    Clem Ford will say that the Saudi’s now have more freedoms than women in the US.

  137. 132andBush

    Agree with Tinta, Delonas’ effort is very sharp in a well rounded sort of way.

  138. rickw

    Diversity and inclusion. Its pretty clear who rules over you by knowing who & what you can’t criticise.

    Diversity and inclusion is the biggest pile of horse shit. I know of smaller businesses, where the margin for error is much less, that were nearly destroyed by diversity and inclusion.

  139. Empire GTHO Phase III

    The UK joins Illinois and California as states with crippling public sector pension liabilities that can never be funded.

    The hunt for taxes will ultimately fail. It’s time to defenstrate the tax hooverers while an orderly retreat of the state is still possible.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/pension-crisis/uk-pension-fund-insolvency-soars-by-30-in-a-single-year/

  140. duncanm

    NorK can’t figure out Trump..

    (Fairfax)

    “Their No. 1 concern is Trump. They can’t figure him out,” said one person with direct knowledge of North Korea’s approach to Asia experts with Republican connections.

    They figured out Obama quick smart.

  141. 132andBush

    HaHa, monty from last night.


    You’re right Zulu, I was disrespecting the CWA (of which my grandmother was a staunch member). By comparison, the Cat couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

    Sometimes I think the Cat IS the piss up in the brewery!

  142. Bruce of Newcastle

    Win some.
    Trump border wall construction begins

    Lose some.
    Senate GOP shelves Obamacare repeal

    Obamacare may be self-correcting though. Trump’s prediction that it will implode all by itself is looking quite likely. However until it does fail the damage to business and ordinary people will be very bad.

  143. rickw

    You’re right Zulu, I was disrespecting the CWA (of which my grandmother was a staunch member).

    Munty’s grandmother, if around today, would most probably take him out in the back yard and beat him with a rake for being so bloody stupid.

  144. feelthebern

    Trump set to announce refugee intake to be limited to 45,000, according to un-named sources.
    A couple of things.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a mole hunt.
    That is, tell different people different numbers & see what ends up in the media.

    Another thing is that until last year when Obama allowed 86k refugees in the country, they only took 75k a year during his presidency.
    Obama announced raising the limit to 110k for 2017.
    Reminds me of TLS laying land-mines for the incoming LNP government.

    Link to the Obama years attached.
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-the-u-s/

  145. feelthebern

    PS, I expect ABC & Andrew O’Keefe to be the most loud & the most wrong on the US refugee news.

  146. rickw

    advocating that they should permit transgender cheerleaders into the league.

    Oh what the f$ck is this degenerate debauchery.

    Cheerleader fails are currently pretty funny, future cheerleader fails will be grotesque.

  147. feelthebern

    Has Ted Cruz been caught “liking” more p0rn?
    He’s gone to ground again.

  148. Boambee John

    Bruce in WA at 2218

    Rodney Rude demeans his audience;

    Hence m0nty’s fascination with him.

  149. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2508324, posted on September 26, 2017 at 11:05 pm
    Whoa, I never knew there were so many anti-Rude wowsers on this site. Talk about church ladies, it’s like a CWA branch meeting.

    Way to avoid the point.

    Rude is lousy at his job.

  150. feelthebern

    Please let the Donald be the first….

    Twitter said it would begin testing a new limit of 280 characters, double its current limit, as a concession to users who have been clamoring for changes to the short-messaging service.
    The new longer limit will be tested on a small portion of users–a percentage in the single digits, according to a Twitter spokeswoman–and Twitter will be monitoring the experiment for several weeks before making a decision. A random sample of Twitter users would be included in the experiment, the spokeswoman said.

  151. John Constantine

    Puerto Rico activists stop campaigning for independence from racist colonial America and demand subsidies, or they will flood two million democrat voters into American cities.

    Trump should grant Puerto Rico independence in return for paying off their Stalinist debt.

    Remove the threat of more permanent democrat welfare vote plantations.

  152. Baldrick

    m0nty
    #2508324, posted on September 26, 2017 at 11:05 pm
    Whoa, I never knew there were so many anti-Rude wowsers on this site. Talk about church ladies, it’s like a CWA branch meeting.

    The Comrades Collective has determined that you shall all like the approved raucous comedian Rodney Rude and laugh accordingly until it hurts.

  153. stackja

    EXPLOSION SPARKS POWER BLACKOUT IN INNER WEST
    The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    THOUSANDS of residents in Sydney’s inner west were left without power last night after an explosion at an electricity sub station sparked widespread blackouts.

    NSW Fire Brigade were called to Westfield Street, Earlwood after reports of a fire and explosion at an electricity sub station.

    The incident was the result of a circuit breaker which caused wide spread blackouts around Ashfield, Canterbury, Campsie and Earlwood areas.

  154. Snoopy

    Diversity and inclusion? HR is where women and queers too crazy to be psychiatric nurses end up. And cowardly, lawfare-shy management simply accepts what they say as gospel.

  155. Snoopy

    I think Rodney Rude’s blowfly routine was clever. But as for the rest? Nah.

  156. Mike of Marion

    stackja
    #2508455, posted on September 27, 2017 at 7:25 am

    It is fascinating to walk up and down the back streets and lane-ways of older city sections and look at the old (and I mean old) substations.

    Some of those stepdown transformers within are old. With all the switching that is going on in Australia, there is no doubt many of the old, oil cooled transformers will call it quits.

    Let darkness be a feature of Malcolm’s world!

  157. Snoopy

    The incident was the result of a circuit breaker which caused wide spread blackouts around Ashfield, Canterbury, Campsie and Earlwood areas.

    I doubt that was the primary cause.

  158. Hemp foods to be legal for human consumption in Australia by Christmas?.

    http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20170926/pdf/43mn3qg3rrx5hz.pdf

    Queensland bauxite changed to a greenchip marijuana minnow, i have taken my money out and run a while back, but keep watching.

  159. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    advocating that they should permit transgender cheerleaders into the league.

    All that meat and no potatoes.

  160. stackja

    Dec 3, 2012 – Julia Gillard is against “gold-plating” of the electricity supply – lots of investment in “poles and wires”:

  161. Alan Moran on the other thread uses the term “malevolently incompetent” in describing Dan of the dead’s government..

    Love it.

    Note: Malevolent incompetence is a fair description of Trumble et al

  162. Bruce of Newcastle

    For Catholic Cats an article on some rumblings in the Vatican:

    Intrigue swirls anew in court of Pope Francis

    Cardinal Pell isn’t mentioned but the comments about finances, and from Libero Milone, may be interesting to political tea leave readers.

  163. stackja

    Shocker: Another Poll Shows Americans Aren’t Big Fans of Anthem Protests

    Athletes or celebrities who want to spout off about politics and get heavily involved in the electoral process can flap their gums to their hearts’ content. But those of us who disagree with their opinions — or who believe that a basketball player who never went to college explicitly calling out Trump voters’ supposed lack of education isn’t a great look — are allowed to speak up, too. Maybe, just maybe, suggesting that half (or more than half) of your fans are ignorant dumdums isn’t a brilliant play by a person whose fame is entirely derived from his prowess in putting an orange sphere through a hoop.

  164. C.L.

    The failure of ‘Yes’ to control its militant wing

    Wing?

  165. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2508475, posted on September 27, 2017 at 8:03 am
    For Catholic Cats an article on some rumblings in the Vatican:

    Intrigue swirls anew in court of Pope Francis

    Cardinal Pell isn’t mentioned but the comments about finances, and from Libero Milone, may be interesting to political tea leave readers.

    Vatican finances are a puzzle.

  166. Tel

    Gofundme to prove that the earth is flat for interested parties

    Why should the global warmists get all the research money?

  167. C.L.

    Via Ace, university outlaws research:

    A researcher has been refused permission to study cases of people who have surgery to reverse gender reassignment by a university that said it risked generating controversy on social media sites.

    The proposal was rejected with an explanation noting that it was a potentially “politically incorrect” piece of research and could lead to material being posted online that “may be detrimental to the reputation of the institution”.

    James Caspian, a psychotherapist, who wanted to conduct the research for a master’s degree in counselling and psychotherapy at Bath Spa University, accused it of failing to follow “the most basic tenets of academic and intellectual freedom of enquiry”.

  168. C.L.

    What the hell is a Macklemore?

  169. Geriatric Mayfly

    Vatican finances are a puzzle.

    Indeed! Did Plod ever find out how a certain Signor Calvi came to be hanging from Blackfriars’ Bridge?

  170. stackja

    C.L.
    #2508485, posted on September 27, 2017 at 8:23 am
    What the hell is a Macklemore?

    Macklemore
    From Wikipedia

    Benjamin Hammond Haggerty[1] (born June 19, 1983), known by his stage name Macklemore (/ˈmæk.ləmɔːr/ MAK-lə-mor),[2][3] and formerly Professor Mack Lemore, is an American rapper from Seattle, Washington. He has collaborated with producer Ryan Lewis as Macklemore & Ryan Lewis. Since 2000, he has independently released one mixtape, three EPs, and four albums.

  171. stackja

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2508486, posted on September 27, 2017 at 8:24 am
    Vatican finances are a puzzle.

    Indeed! Did Plod ever find out how a certain Signor Calvi came to be hanging from Blackfriars’ Bridge?

    Another puzzle.

  172. notafan

    Btw why wasn’t the Rohingya man charged with raping that 14 year old girl?

  173. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1215

    I’m just a random blog commenter.

    Funny way to spell troll!

  174. Snoopy

    “The (NRL) game has a small number of values and one of those values is inclusiveness.

    I remember John Sattler making that very same point. He wouldn’t shut up about it. He was obsessed. Used to drive everyone spare.

  175. Tel

    What the hell is a Macklemore?

    A largish baked pork knuckle, served with pasta.

  176. Boambee John

    So the latest fascist left protest format is to kneel before Trump.

    Not deep thinkers, are they?

    m0nty, will you join in by kneeling before Abbot, since you are unlikely to see Trump in person?

  177. Snoopy

    Tina Turner 1993. Macklemore 2017.

    It’s not a slippery slope. We’re in free-fall.

  178. stackja

    Tel
    #2508497, posted on September 27, 2017 at 8:35 am
    What the hell is a Macklemore?

    A largish baked pork knuckle, served with pasta.

    NRL pork?

  179. JC

    The only decent thing there and they’ve now backed away. Arseholes to the end.

    Saudi Arabia Lifts Ban on Women Driving
    King Salman issues decree allowing women to obtain licenses

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-lifts-ban-on-women-driving-1506455054

  180. notafan

    The Saudi thing, does this mean Islamic science is wrong and driving doesn’t affect women reproductive capacities?

  181. Rabz

    Tranny cheerleaders – yep, that will arrest the plummeting interest in the BLMFL.

    Beyond parody.

  182. Snoopy

    I fear it won’t end well if Saudi women are permitted to drive to the shops.

    Actually, I think a reflexive dismissal of this contention could be a mistake. It deserves further research in my opinion.

  183. Boambee John

    bern at 0702

    Another thing is that until last year when Obama allowed 86k refugees in the country, they only took 75k a year during his presidency.
    Obama announced raising the limit to 110k for 2017.

    And we take about 13,000 pa, with the Slime and Liars wanting to at least double that number. We are doing way more than our share.

    Let those who want to increase the number sponsor (feed, clothe, house, provide medical care, educate) as many as they are prepared to pay for out of their own funds.

    How many can we put you down for m0nty? As a good lefty you will surely want to help.

  184. JC

    Jeez, look a the daily air traffic. Where the hell are all these people going?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/airplane-mode

  185. notafan

    Top comment at Facebook under this Melbourne University recommended post in my feed.

    There’s something you agree with Senator Tim Wilson?

    “It is sickening to see the untermenschen come out of the woodworks in Straya to deride equal rights. This should just simply be passed into law, no voting. What a farce.”
    https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/same-sex-marriage-religious-freedom-and-the-law?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_content=story
    Ssmarriage article at University of Melbourne

  186. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Do Saudi women still have to be accompanied by a male relative when driving or is that just when walking in public outside the car?

    Hairy’s worst nightmare is to have to get into the car with my Big Sis driving.
    Erratic would be a very generous term for her approach to the task. 🙂

  187. srr

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2508475, posted on September 27, 2017 at 8:03 am

    For Catholic Cats an article on some rumblings in the Vatican:

    Intrigue swirls anew in court of Pope Francis

    Cardinal Pell isn’t mentioned but the comments about finances, and from Libero Milone, may be interesting to political tea leave readers.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/intrigue-swirls-anew-court-pope-francis-130504866.html

    The Vatican has won praise in recent years from a European financial watchdog for cleaning up the scandal-tainted Vatican Bank, albeit qualified by criticism over a lack of follow-through prosecutions.

    But concerns the reform process has not been as far-reaching in other parts of the Vatican bureaucracy linger and have been highlighted by the ongoing trial of two former officials accused of embezzling funds from a Vatican-run hospital.

    The cash was allegedly used for the costly makeover of a luxury flat occupied by an Italian cardinal who has not been required to give evidence in the trial.

    So, Pell cleans up the Vatican finances, finds “lost” fortunes, gets no honorable mention, no mention at all. Into the forgetory with Pell.

    Well, not quite – while there is a lack of prosecutions of Vatican crooks, there is the continued witch hunt of Pell – dragging more of the same lying crooks to lie about him in an unending effort to convict him for something, anything!

    Meanwhile, if you’re a Cardinal personally benefitting from Vatican Hospital money you shouldn’t have, meh, why should you even be called to testify at a trial investigating that.

    It’s almost as if the RCC is hell bent or heaven sent to finally settle the debate on, what is the difference between Christians and Churchians?

  188. Rabz

    Jeez, look at the daily air traffic. Where the hell are all these people going?

    Climate change conferences.

  189. Zatara

    BrettW
    #2508308, posted on September 26, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    When you have a player, who is former Ranger with three tours of Afghanistan, who cant or wont be involved in acknowledging the anthem then you have serious problems.

    Brett, you are badly misinformed.

    Alejandro Villenanueva, the Spanish born US Army Ranger in question, was the only member of his team who had the balls to come out of the locker room for the national anthem. During which he stood at attention with his hand over his heart.

    The other pussies hid inside until after it was all over.

  190. Snoopy

    Zatara, Alejandro Villenanueva has since come out and apologised for …. standing. The maggots got to him.

  191. C.L.

    Notafan’s link:

    Last week a 35-year-old Melbourne man was convicted of child marriage offences after an Islamic ceremony involving a 14-year-old girl, Australia’s first such case since the practice was made illegal in 2013.

    Victorian child protection services were aware of plans for the illegal ceremony – warning the man the day before – but it still went ahead.

    Victorian Shadow Minister for Families and Women Georgie Crozier condemned authorities’ response to the case, suggesting their actions were inadequate.

    ‘What are the authorities doing, are they so impotent that they can’t protect this child – that’s what I think is so frustrating – the government and the minister (have) failed,’ Ms Crozier said.

    ‘That government department (is) there for the safety and wellbeing of children, young people and their families – clearly they have failed.’

    The man was sentenced to 18 months behind bars, but will only serve 12 months.

    Just wow. Daniel Andrews and his government knew the child was to be raped but did nothing.

  192. Senile Old Guy

    Bolt:

    The persecution of the churches begins, even before same-sex marriage becomes law.

    Northern Territory’s Government proposes moves against churches that will limit their ability to preach or demonstrate their faith:

    One of exemptions that could be removed is section 30(2) that permits religious schools to exclude prospective students who are not of that religion.

    Another exemption that could be removed is section 37A that permits religious schools to discriminate against employees on the grounds of religious beliefs, activity or sexuality if done in good faith to avoid offending the religious sensitivities of people of the particular religion…

    ‘Removal of these exemptions would make the system fairer by ensuring people of certain attributes have the same opportunities under the Act. It would also ensure that cultural and religious bodies are more accountable for their actions and more inclusive…

    In the area of accommodation there are two exemptions that could be removed. Section 40 (2A) that permits religious educational authorities as accommodation providers to restrict use of the accommodation to people of that religion and section 40 (3) that provides an exemption for discrimination if necessary to avoid offending the religious sensitives of people of the religion.

    What Bolt does not give is the title of the document:

    Modernisation of the Anti-Discrimination Act

    Yes, “modernisation”; a word that has been associated with a great many awful acts.

  193. Senile Old Guy

    In the category of “you can’t make this up”, the NT Document has this:

    Repeal the definition of ‘man’ and ‘woman’

    Actually, the actual change seems sensible, only because previous legislation stuffed things up.

  194. Boambee John, anyone else,

    Another thing is that until last year when Obama allowed 86k refugees in the country, they only took 75k a year during his presidency.
    Obama announced raising the limit to 110k for 2017.

    Did anyone find out about the hordes of single male refugees that O’Bama was secretly flying in at night and then bussing them in fleets of buses to large cities?
    Or was it just general craziness?

  195. Senile Old Guy

    One Professor Carolyn Evans, Deputy Vice-Chancellor and Deputy Provost, University of Melbourne, is writing on SSM:

    A couple of months ago, the debate over same sex marriage was about same sex marriage and, to some extent, the best mechanism for determining whether Australia should change the law to allow it. Now it seems to be about everything from religious freedom and political correctness, to school curriculum and free speech.

    Evans has not been paying attention. It was always about the wider issues.

    One argument that is now raising its head is that people should have been shown the full legislation before being asked to vote to see whether it adequately protects religious freedom. Parliament is the place for negotiating the detailed trade-offs between competing values and interests. If the question as to whether we should allow same sex marriage is to be resolved in the detail of these negotiations, then the whole matter should have been left to Parliament in the first place. Once you ask people their views, you need a relatively simple and straightforward yes/no question.

    You can present the legislation and ask a simple question. It is something we manage to do every day in many contexts.

    Having pushed for the involvement of the Australian people, those opposing same sex marriage should not be trying to create conditions that legitimise ignoring that opinion if they don’t like it.

    Ha! The people most likely to do this — as they have already demonstrated, violently — are those in favour of SSM.

    The most significant conflict between religious freedom and same sex marriage is the issue of forcing religious ministers to marry same sex couples in a religious ceremony.

    No, the most significant conflict is between the freedom of speech of anyone and SSM. There are already cases of people being prosecuted for saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. It is odd, indeed, that every person making this “no problem” claim ignores those cases.

    Under current discrimination laws, which differ a little from State to State, religious organisations are given some exemptions from the operation of discrimination laws when it is necessary to do so to act in compliance with their religion.

    But note that proposed changes to the NT Discrimination act appear to remove many of these protections.

    It is clear, however, that religious bodies will be protected under whatever law emerges from Parliament, just as they are in the other countries which have introduced such laws.

    Other countries have seen large problems with people being persecuted and prosecuted. It is already happening here.

    No serious organisation in Australia is suggesting otherwise.

    And that is just a sly trick to delegitimise anyone objecting to SSM.

  196. Senile Old Guy

    From the same piece.

    Currently, discrimination law does not provide the same protection for religious individuals as it provides for organisations. There are good reasons for this. Allowing each individual to determine according to his or her religious convictions which laws they will keep and which they will disregard raises the troubling spectre of a religious diverse society in which each individual is a law unto themselves.

    You will approve of SSM and celebrate it!

    Australian values are changing so that religious views on sexuality, which were once mainstream, are now increasingly in the minority.

    Again, ignoring that people may object to SSM for non-religious reasons.

    Churches and religious individuals may well criticise sexual behaviour which is not consistent with religious teachings, but they now need to expect an equally vigorous response and criticism. It may be confronting but it is not the quelling of free speech, but rather the robust debate on which free speech thrives.

    This robust debate includes “burn down the churches”? Is that right?

    Professor Carolyn Evans is the former Dean of the Melbourne Law School at the University of Melbourne.

    Heaven help us all.

  197. Geriatric Mayfly

    Allowing each individual to determine according to his or her religious convictions which laws they will keep and which they will disregard raises the troubling spectre of a religious diverse society in which each individual is a law unto themselves.

    Mizzzzzz Evans is blind to the Muslims among us.

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