Open Forum: September 30, 2017

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  1. Boambee John

    Zulu at 1605

    He shows that, for a wood fire to consume an average adult male human body in open air, it would require two and a half tons of timber over four hours, but even then the teeth and parts of the skull would survive.”

    My vague understanding is that during Hindu open air cremations, one duty of the next of kin is to crack open the skull to speed the process up. Even then, there seems to be bone fragments that are consigned to the Ganges.

  2. Bryan Adams and Bruce Springsteen closing of Invictus Games. Old white men rocking it.

  3. Gab

    The bodies were “thrown down a well” (THAT old chestnut) and “burned for many hours”. Wonder how that was achieved? Sustaining an 800 – 1000degC fire – down a well – for many hours.

  4. Top Ender

    how does one detect a nautical scoundrel?

    Ask them where the golden rivet is on a warship.

    Or you could ask them when the rum ration is served every day.

  5. C.L.

    Cutting edge forensic science techniques

    Which are so cutting edge they couldn’t conclude the bones were human or wombat.

  6. Boambee John

    Prompted by an item at Quadrant on line.

    What do our indigenous brothers and sisters think of the Rainbow Serpent being linked by word association with various gay rights campaigns, including garriage?

  7. Muddy

    Wow. You can obviously lace any kind of shite on the internet…

    1789 Great plague like epidemics was seen killing up to fifty or more percent of several tribes neighboring the Sydney settlement. Was it an act of biological warfare and was it smallpox? A recently published article in “Journal of Australian Studies” theorises that the outbreak of smallpox from the First Fleet was a deliberate act to overcome indigenous resistance to expansion of the early settlement. A large proportion of local clans were killed. See Warren, C., Smallpox at Sydney Cove – Who, When, Why? (2013).[4] The evidence was summarised by ABC Radio National program Ockham’s Razor in 2014. See transcript. However this theory has been questioned by some researchers and Medical Doctors[5] who suggest the cause of the outbreak in question was more likely due to measles or chicken pox, which at the time was often identified as small pox (see more details re this controversy in the History Wars section under the heading “Controversy over smallpox in Australia”).

    From Aussies 4 First Nations Peoples.

    Yeah. Given there was absolutely no interaction whatsoever between the bastard ‘invaders’ and the local indigenous people, it makes sense that smallpox would be introduced to wipe them out, wouldn’t it? After all, there wasn’t any risk whatever that such a plan could backfire.

  8. ssr

    🅾️ 🇭️ 🇴️ 🇺️ 🇷️ ❗‏ @__0HOUR1_ 3h3 hours ago

    Marilyn Manson just got crushed by a prop I mean flattened his face may finally look like crap the way he likes it without makeup.
    ..
    God dont mess around worship the devil and bad shit happens I believe man.
    ..
    literally, Marilyn Manson got crushed by an upside-down cross that’s a sign man.
    ..
    Marilyn Manson Splat


    https://twitter.com/AlBoeNEWS/status/914324740994510849
    0:30
    Al Boe BREAKING NEWS @AlBoeNEWS
    #BREAKING VIDEO: Marilyn Manson seriously injured after stage prop falls on him during concert

    I dunno he loves that devil worshipping shit, either way, god finally said time to take the ride down.
    ..
    Never understood ppl that.play with the devil and other evil shit.
    ..
    Marilyn Manson Karma
    https://twitter.com/__0HOUR1_/status/914333714645217280
    ..
    Marilyn Manson PIC stomach is crushed not good
    https://twitter.com/__0HOUR1_/status/914334184017100800

  9. overburdened

    Passed through a QLD regional town and noticed a weatherboard Queenslander needing paint, a lawn mow and tidy up and a skip bin to get rid of the rubbish strewn across the verandah and grounds. The only thing new and shiny was the rainbow coloured ‘love is love’ flag proudly draped out of a window to influence the likes of me. It made me wonder what mass homo orgies or blokes ramming their fists up someone’s arse has to do with love.

  10. Boambee John

    By the way.

    Multiculturalism is cultural genocide. Spread the word!

  11. Tailgunner

    “White girls are filthy.”

    They are though, god bless them.

  12. overburdened

    Hey my bad. Reliably informed that they love it. Further proof of their abnormality IMO

  13. Tailgunner

    Is Tiger still with us after the epic GAYFL victory??
    I need a Premium Content prediction on the QLD storm win tonight…

  14. Muddy

    Sorry, this is the last one in this vein today (I’m on a roll).
    From the same link as above (Aussies 4 First Nations People):

    10 Examples That Prove White Privilege Protects White People in Every Aspect Imaginable
    1. I Have the Privilege of (Generally) Having a Positive Relationship with the Police
    2. I Have the Privilege of Being Favored by School Authorities
    3. I Have the Privilege of Attending Segregated Schools of Affluence
    4. I Have the Privilege of Learning about My Race in School
    5. I Have the Privilege of Finding Children’s Books that Overwhelmingly Represent My Race
    6. I Have the Privilege of Soaking in Media Blatantly Biased Toward My Race
    7. I Have the Privilege of Escaping Violent Stereotypes Associated with My Race
    8. I Have the Privilege of Playing the Colorblind Card, Wiping the Slate Clean of Centuries of Racism
    9. I Have the Privilege of Being Insulated from the Daily Toll of Racism
    10. I Have the Privilege of Living Ignorant of the Dire State of Racism Today

    The whole thing seems to have been lifted directly from the U.S. No surprises I guess.
    There are so many ways I could respond, but… no-one wants us to respond, do they? Because it isn’t a ‘problem’ that has a solution.

    OK, nuf sed.

  15. Tailgunner

    And Deplorable Toad – c’mon, mate, I know you’re having a bet…
    😀

  16. overburdened

    At the risk of being pedantic, the stomach is a muscular organ about the size of a large fist residing in the epigastric region immediately inferior to the diaphragm. To lay folk, anywhere from the nipples to the groin is stomach territory. Like that homo thing, can I put my fist up your stomach?

  17. Marcus Classis

    srr:

    Marilyn Manson just got crushed by a prop I mean flattened his face may finally look like crap the way he likes it without makeup.

    Ahahahahahahahahaha! The karma bus strikes.

    Thanks srr, that made my day.

    I have always loathed that purulent chancre of a creature.

  18. ssr

    Marcus Classis
    #2511845, posted on October 1, 2017 at 4:49 pm
    srr:

    Marilyn Manson just got crushed by a prop I mean flattened his face may finally look like crap the way he likes it without makeup.

    Ahahahahahahahahaha! The karma bus strikes.

    Thanks srr, that made my day.

    I have always loathed that purulent chancre of a creature.

    The bit about him blaming the Columbine School Shooting for ruining his career, makes it hard to feel too sorry for him …. I also can’t help but wonder if it’s the beginning of a trend …. some Spirit Cooking types in the Podesta circles, females celebrating their late term abortions …. the, Bake My Church of Satan Wedding Cake, Or Else! types ….

  19. Tailgunner

    Marilyn Manson – Cult Game recognized.
    Stimpson, your take please.

  20. Tailgunner

    Spirit Cooking types in the Podesta circles,

    Does everyone remember this? Lol!
    I was all over it… Spirit Cooking!What an election! Hahaha
    Trump is god.

  21. OneWorldGovernment

    Muddy,

    If you really want to check out an ongoing tragedy is the number of Aboriginal female skeletons that were unearthed in the ‘early’ days and generally sent to the British Museum which showed conclusive forensic evidence of having been bashed to death.

    Starting from maybe the 1970’s the manipulators of the Aboriginal pristine past decided that they had better remove that graphic evidence and hence there was a movement to bring those skeletal remains back from overseas and give them appropriate cultural burials.

    Mungo Man and Woman was the classic because it showed a difference to current Aboriginals so they had to get rid of that to prove that there has only been current Aboriginals here for whatever the current years are now – 20,000 or 40,000 or 60,000 or whatever they have currently invented.

    And of course Aboriginal Women being bashed to death still occurs.

  22. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – Julie Bishop heads around the back…

    https://youtu.be/SRfNZYO3zRQ

  23. ssr

    errrggggh … add Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg to the, ‘Creepy as Manson’, list –

    Gavin McInnes Retweeted
    🍄Dr Worm 🎃‏ @BasedDrWorm Sep 27

    Has anyone taken a look at Zuckerberg’s facebook?
    https://twitter.com/BasedDrWorm/status/913282180280934400

  24. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    1789 Great plague like epidemics was seen killing up to fifty or more percent of several tribes neighboring the Sydney settlement. Was it an act of biological warfare and was it smallpox? A recently published article in “Journal of Australian Studies” theorises that the outbreak of smallpox from the First Fleet was a deliberate act to overcome indigenous resistance to expansion of the early settlement. A large proportion of local clans were killed

    If you’re white and you believe this you must self-immolate immediately.

  25. OneWorldGovernment

    Muddy,

    re the return of remains from overseas search the internet but one site that details it is,

    https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/aboriginal-remains-repatriation

  26. stackja

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2511856, posted on October 1, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    Homicide detectives probe Kununurra stabbing death
    Kate Campbell, PerthNow
    September 30, 2017 7:00pm

  27. one old bruce

    “And of course Aboriginal Women being bashed to death still occurs.”

    So sad. I’m a direct descendent of Billy Fraser of Hornet Bank, Queensland’s ‘avenger’. It was forgotten in the family till we did the family history thing. I can understand him going after the men who raped and murdered his mother and sisters, but the Aboriginal women were innocent. In fact the attack may have been caused by Mrs Fraser protecting Aboriginal girls from their promised husbands, by taking them in as servants. Frustrated men do brutal things.

    Anyway one story has Billy (my long dead grandmother’s grandfather) seeing a native woman in the street wearing his mother’s dress, drawing a pistol and shooting her dead on the spot. A guy on Facebook wrote that his great grandmother escaped Billy’s rampage. I wrote to him and expressed regret and encouragement. He was very polite and even friendly.

    So sad.

  28. ssr

    Gavin McInnes‏Verified account @Gavin_McInnes Sep 29
    More Gavin McInnes Retweeted Sebastian Gorka DrG

    These parents need to go on a college speaking tour.

    Sebastian Gorka DrG‏Verified account @SebGorka
    More Sebastian Gorka DrG Retweeted Nick Short 🇺🇸

    THIS is the reality of Communism.

    https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/912677221369749510
    1:24
    Nick Short 🇺🇸Verified account @PoliticalShort
    Otto Warmbier’s father describes his son’s torture by North Korea.
    He had a feeding tube, was blind & deaf, teeth were rearranged w/pliers..

    12:09 AM – 27 Sep 2017

  29. Frank

    Multiculturalism is cultural genocide. Spread the word!

    That’s what they (the free Tibet types) used said about the Chinese when then flooded the place to rub out the local culture.

  30. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    SO when are they going to release his name then?
    Victoria Police say terrorism is not believed to be the motivation for an incident in Melbourne’s CBD on Saturday, in which they allege a 15-year-old boy tried to run people down with a car.

    Police said today they had charged the Knoxfield boy with two counts of attempted murder, six counts of reckless conduct endangering life, and with assaulting and resisting a police officer.

  31. ssr

    Getting Zuck’d & Why Facebook is in Terminal Decline
    Black Pigeon Speaks
    Sep 30, 2017

  32. Hydra

    SO when are they going to release his name then?
    Victoria Police say terrorism is not believed to be the motivation for an incident in Melbourne’s CBD on Saturday, in which they allege a 15-year-old boy tried to run people down with a car.

    Isn’t it illegal to release a minor’s name?

  33. It is all getting a bit meaningless. I do not blame the players, at all. The current group of players have incredible skills. It’s a pity that the management are so useless.

    True. The privilege hasn’t really hit NRL players yet. Cam Smith displays more professionalism on and off the field than the average $20million per year NFL player. They only get enough money for hubris to last a couple of years. Alas, it wont last.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Isn’t it illegal to release a minor’s name?

    That was my understanding.

  35. OneWorldGovernment

    stackja
    #2511862, posted on October 1, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    stackja

    bloody sad.

    But there are far worse examples on the books.

    For all our concern re Domestic Violence.

  36. OneWorldGovernment

    one old bruce
    #2511863, posted on October 1, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    I’m a direct descendent of Billy Fraser of Hornet Bank, Queensland’s ‘avenger’. It was forgotten in the family till we did the family history thing. I can understand him going after the men who raped and murdered his mother and sisters, but the Aboriginal women were innocent. In fact the attack may have been caused by Mrs Fraser protecting Aboriginal girls from their promised husbands, by taking them in as servants. Frustrated men do brutal things.

    Anyway one story has Billy (my long dead grandmother’s grandfather) seeing a native woman in the street wearing his mother’s dress, drawing a pistol and shooting her dead on the spot. A guy on Facebook wrote that his great grandmother escaped Billy’s rampage. I wrote to him and expressed regret and encouragement. He was very polite and even friendly.

    So sad.

    one old bruce

    May I just say that I admire your morality to reach out to that person.

    I had to search for the details and it sounds like a completely sad situation for all concerned.

    Not sure if you are Christian leaning but I feel that you are absolved from whatever sins your forebear may have committed and there is no reason for you to carry his burden.

    The fact is that there were a lot of Irish and Scots folk that went out into the wilderness. And whether the do-gooders want to believe it or not in most cases Aboriginals cast the first spear. That the settlers had guns to defend themselves is never taken into account.

    In fact, I’d like to know how many Settlers did Aboriginals kill!

  37. Muddy

    OWG.
    My interest is mostly derived from curiosity, as well as utter amazement that our resistance to the undermining of our institutions, society and culture has been so ineffectual – or non-existent – over the past four or so decades. I truly think that future generations will be embarrassed to find themselves descended from such weak, cognitively-challenged beings. So much for our proud military history. Dare I compare us with the shame of modern indigenous people whose much-vaunted ‘warrior’ ancestors were no such thing, with the result that an indigenous ‘resistance’ has to be fabricated?

  38. Fergus

    C
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    !!!!!!!!!!!

  39. stackja

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2511883, posted on October 1, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    Before settlement, how many died?

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In fact, I’d like to know how many Settlers did Aboriginals kill!

    Most common figure I’ve seen was around two thousand. That was how Henry Reynolds arrived at the figure of twenty thousand massacred Aborigines – he guesstimated that ten Aborigines must have been murdered for every settler killed.

  41. Harlequin Decline

    Muddy
    #2511804, posted on October 1, 2017 at 3:50 pm
    So 800 degrees is not a particularly high temperature, and certainly not one that would have required human intervention? The hypothesis that for bones (IF they were human) to have been burned at this temperature automatically means that human intervention was required, and thus (take a leap with me here) indicates the intentional destruction of ‘evidence’ of wrongdoing, is pure bollocks?

    A few points occurred to me-

    -There isn’t a lot of vegetation up near the Tanami. Sizable trees are few and far between. To build a fire that burned hot for 3+ days would take a fair bit of effort.
    -Fire in a well would go out due to lack of oxygen.
    -A cooking fire used repeatedly may fit the ‘evidence’.
    -Assuming it was a cooking fire the bone fragments could be animal or human.
    -If human it could be evidence of cannibalism.

  42. Fisky

    Holy hell! The Spanish police are going the full jackboot against the Catalan independence vote. What a bunch of nasty fascists. Time to break Spain up!

    https://twitter.com/JordiGraupera/status/914406594779205632

  43. Muddy

    Harlequin.
    Interesting points, thanks. I did wonder about burning in a well too. Fire needs three elements, right? Take away one element, and you don’t have a fire.

    Maybe those archaeologists were using ‘indigenous science.’ And the ‘cutting edge’ bit was flint.

    I guess we have to expect more of this ‘science’ to back up vague oral history.

  44. Top Ender

    The Juice is loose: OJ Simpson is freed on parole after nine years in prison for a Las Vegas armed robbery.

  45. Bron

    What a fabulous own goal by the Spanish government. Masked men attacking polling booths and taking away cast votes.

  46. Muddy

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2511856, posted on October 1, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    Sorry. I’ve just realised that my response to your comment sounded as though I was being a smartarse, which was not my intention. You made an intriguing point. Thanks.

  47. OneWorldGovernment

    stackja
    #2511904, posted on October 1, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2511883, posted on October 1, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    Before settlement, how many died?

    stackja

    How long is a piece of string?

    I read a report, many years ago. An anthropological report in which the author was dumbfounded by the hard evidence of brutal death evidenced in female Aboriginal skeletons as opposed to male.

    The author had gone to different Museums around the world.

    I cannot point you at that paper but it stuck in my mind and it was possibly written in the 1960’s.

  48. Fisky

    “Spain” is a fake country that should not exist. Like “Germany”. Time to splinter them into small pieces!

  49. Muddy;

    Harlequin.
    Interesting points, thanks. I did wonder about burning in a well too. Fire needs three elements, right? Take away one element, and you don’t have a fire.

    So what happens when, say, a truckload of wood is chucked in a hole in the ground with the bodies on top, then a match applied.
    The fire doesn’t happen after the O2 is used up, but surely the heat going up will draw some fresh air down?
    We’ve all seen logs red hot after a week of smouldering, burst into flame when oxygen reaches it.
    (Disjointed because I’ve taken a couple of Endone due to migraine, but you get the idea.)

  50. Hydra

    Holy shit what is going on in Spain?

    Tell you what the EU is going to be on even shakier ground. Why would anyone want to be associated with that?

  51. Fisky

    The EU fully support the repression in Spain. They are all in for jackboots, clubbing people, stealing ballot boxes, etc. Vermin!

  52. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not sure if you are Christian leaning but I feel that you are absolved from whatever sins your forebear may have committed and there is no reason for you to carry his burden.

    Jacinta Price, whose family suffered during the infamous Coniston Station massacre in 1928, invited the police to the 75th anniversary . “We said you didn’t kill our family, even if your grandfather did, you didn’t. It was the greatest act of reconciliation..”

  53. stackja

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2511923, posted on October 1, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    Yes!

  54. Geriatric Mayfly

    Surprised that the resident aeronauts have not offered an opinion on the Air France A380 engine break-up. Photos show it in pretty bad shape. Looks like the huge turbo fan at the front is completely shredded. Faulty blade perhaps?

  55. Muddy

    Winston,
    This thinking thing is starting to hurt.
    I guess we could ask: “How deep is the hole?”
    But then we’d be back to talking about the NRL ‘entertainment.’

  56. Hydra

    Catalan firemen forming a wall in front of voters to protect them from police:

    https://twitter.com/xmonge/status/914401445646086144

  57. stackja

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2511923, posted on October 1, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    TONY THOMAS
    The long history of Aboriginal violence — Part II

  58. Rabz

    Never forget, peoples – catalunyans are commies!

  59. Roger

    Not sure if you are Christian leaning but I feel that you are absolved from whatever sins your forebear may have committed and there is no reason for you to carry his burden.

    From today’s alternative Old Testament reading from the Revised Common Lectionary, Ezekiel 18:1-4:

    18:1 The word of the LORD came to me:

    18:2 What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, “The parents have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge”?

    18:3 As I live, says the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel.

    18:4 Know that all lives are mine; the life of the parent as well as the life of the child is mine: it is only the person who sins that shall die.

    In other words, descendants are not punished by God for the sins of ancestors.

  60. Robber Baron

    Have returned to catholic hospital for visiting hours. A small Indian boy has been screaming for almost 2 hours. He is visiting his mother. Father is doing nothing to settle the child.

    All white people are saying nothing but looking at each other. No one going to complain for fear of being called out as a racist. I stood in hallway with fingers in my ears looking at hospital staff. Staff saw my version of taking the knee. Nothing done. Small boy continued to yell. Father busy on mobile device. I can’t take it any more. I’m leaving.

  61. Snoopy

    Three myths about Catalonia’s independence movement.

  62. Fisky

    Snoopy, the article in your link is published by the EU foreign ministry.

  63. OneWorldGovernment

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2511906, posted on October 1, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    In fact, I’d like to know how many Settlers did Aboriginals kill!

    Most common figure I’ve seen was around two thousand. That was how Henry Reynolds arrived at the figure of twenty thousand massacred Aborigines – he guesstimated that ten Aborigines must have been murdered for every settler killed.

    ZK2A

    Thank you.

    I think it would be far more than 2,000 but that’s just my reading from the histories.

    So the 20,000 is just a model – 10 to 1. What a lot of crap.

  64. slackster

    From the rally in Melbourne today:

    So much for not using kids

    https://i.imgur.com/HADyecP.jpg

  65. Geriatric Mayfly

    Have returned to catholic hospital for visiting hours. A small Indian boy has been screaming for almost 2 hours. He is visiting his mother.

    One of them in the supermarket in recent times. Ear splitting caterwauling, followed by brief periods of calm. Mother, if not on mobile, talking to the child as if in idle conversation. And the screaming continued and the volume upped a notch with each rendition.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think it would be far more than 2,000 but that’s just my reading from the histories.

    The largest massacre of white settlers took place at Cullin La Ringo, in October 1861 – nineteen of a party of twenty five were murdered. Strange, you never hear of them.

  67. Atoms for Peace

    It’s ok to suggest to someone that you are comfortable if they discipline their child.

  68. Roger

    It’s ok to suggest to someone that you are comfortable if they discipline their child.

    Yes, but what if they won’t?

    Indian culture teaches parents tend to indulge their infant sons.

  69. rickw

    From the rally in Melbourne today:

    So much for not using kids

    https://i.imgur.com/HADyecP.jpg

    Poor little buggers, no different to the poor little buggers that had to live life with a photo of themselves wearing a swastika armband.

    I had a discussion about this with middle daughter today, first time we’d dug into it. She was quite tuned in to the creeping normalisation of weirdness.

  70. Muddy

    Robber Baron.
    That must have been very distressful for the person you were visiting. Being sick or injured is bad enough, but such obvious rudeness and disrespect for others exacerbates the recovery process. I not infrequently have to restrain myself from fronting such people.

  71. Roger

    That must have been very distressful for the person you were visiting. Being sick or injured is bad enough, but such obvious rudeness and disrespect for others exacerbates the recovery process.

    Which is why the staff were negligent in not asking the father to remove the boy from the ward.

  72. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2511952, posted on October 1, 2017 at 7:27 pm
    I think it would be far more than 2,000 but that’s just my reading from the histories.

    The largest massacre of white settlers took place at Cullin La Ringo, in October 1861 – nineteen of a party of twenty five were murdered. Strange, you never hear of them.

    Thank you for this. Google provides more.

    Cullin-la-ringo massacre
    From Wikipedia

    Wills, Horatio Spencer Howe (1811–1861)

    by C. E. Sayers

    This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 2, (MUP), 1967

    Wills’s careless, lavish display of food, firearms, blankets and clothing had excited the greed of the Aborigines. Study of the station habits made the raid an easy matter; it was not resisted because there was no preparation against attack. After the massacre the Aborigines hastily plundered the stores, wagons, tents and huts, and hurried to the ranges. They were followed by a large party of police and settlers, trapped in a valley, and shot down. Few escaped this act of revenge. Wills and his people were buried in a grave at the scene of the massacre, which is remembered in a headstone.

  73. Snoopy

    From the rally in Melbourne today:

    So much for not using kids

    And to think they were all born boys.

    Sad.

  74. rickw

    Indian culture teaches parents tend to indulge their infant sons.

    You’re in Australia now, not getting him to be quiet is considered very rude.

    Indian tried some of their bs driving today on Bell street, trying to do a RH turn that took him across all 4 lanes, pulled across first lane waving after light had just changed, no one was having it, everyone went at him full throttle, horns blaring, he chucked his Hyundai into reverse and got out of the way in a nick of time. In Australia if you’re doing some OT manoeuvre, you just have to wait.

  75. Robber Baron

    Muddy, l’ve noticed lndians and certain other middle easterns just walk into elevators before people can get out.

    I used to see this all the time when l lived in Vietnam, but l did not expect to see such behaviour in Australia. Multi-peasant culturalism has well and truly arrived.

  76. DrBeauGan

    . I not infrequently have to restrain myself from fronting such people.

    I think you are wimping out, custard. I walk up to them, squat down and say loudly:

    ‘ I eats little boys,
    What makes lots of noise.’

    Then I show my teeth at them.

    It usually frightens the mother, too.

  77. C.L.

    NRL to fans: F.U.

    … Macklemore performed Same Love with a simple sentence at the end before moving onto his next song.

    “Equality for all,” he said.

    In a sign of the NRL’s support for marriage equality, the big screens at the stadium displayed the words “We stand for diversity,” “We stand for inclusiveness” and “We stand for equality” during the Same Love performance.

    The Australian (AAP copy) reports this as …
    Macklemore’s final message to Australia.

  78. Roger

    If I were Robber Baron I’d be making an official complaint.

    Hospitals are very bureaucratic institutions in which employees are discouraged from taking initiative; only a well founded complaint will set in motion the necessary changes to policy which nurses will then be obliged to follow.

  79. Hydra

    Three myths about Catalonia’s independence movement.

    So the police are justified in shooting their citizens and throwing out polls?

    Tell you what – if Catalans did not want to leave before, they sure as hell do now…

  80. OneWorldGovernment

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2511952, posted on October 1, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    I think it would be far more than 2,000 but that’s just my reading from the histories.

    The largest massacre of white settlers took place at Cullin La Ringo, in October 1861 – nineteen of a party of twenty five were murdered. Strange, you never hear of them.

    Thank you

    The emphasis through the crap academics is to prove that Europeans are the aggressors when in fact it was viscous tribal animals that descended upon unsuspecting white folk.

    I actually put in some time to help a tribe near Wagga Wagga. Good people.

    The useless arzholes in the local Commonwealth digi make work bureaucracy knocked it back. Why, I asked? Couldn’t read your disk!

    Wagga Wagga is f*ked now.

    There are true tribes up and don NSW that want to do the right thing. They know they need to get their kids into schools.

    That ‘mob’ and the bloke, ex army, missed out because the f*kers gave the money to the ‘Big Man’. Who should have been shot.

    If I was to ever meet Bob Hawke’s son I would smash his teeth in!

  81. Muddy

    A comment from the Quadrant article on indigenous violence stackja linked to above:

    [email protected]

    – August 8, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    My fullblood wife, who was born and raised in the remote community of Maningrida (Arnhem Land NT), now deceased, told me of an event which happened when she was a young girl there, it would have been towards the late 70′s.
    She and other girl friends were in the bush somewhere playing, not far from the community, however they apparently wandered too close to an area where men were involved in secret men’s business.
    No women would be told where this was and so they had innocently just been too close to it.
    A group of men ran out of the bush and grabbed one or more of the young girls (can’t remember if one or two) and dragged them away while my wife and others ran for their lives.
    She told me the girl/girls were held for a day or so and raped many times by many men before being released.
    This is traditional Aboriginal culture which was practised across Australia for thousands of years, UNTIL WE STOPPED IT.
    Bess Price is honest about these matters, few others are though.

  82. Bron

    Who would agree to be a citizen of a state with police forces like this?

    Throwing women downstairs

  83. The largest massacre of white settlers took place at Cullin La Ringo, in October 1861 – nineteen of a party of twenty five were murdered. Strange, you never hear of them.

    Hear of them often, as the little boy who survived by hiding under the bed then moved from Qld to Victoria, grew up, went to Rugby College in England, and later founded the sport known as “Australian Rules Football”

  84. Robber Baron

    I will complain as soon as my wife has been discharged. I know how vindictive large organizations are when poor management practices are uncovered. Egos are delicate and vindictive power is generously unleashed. I once worked at RMIT.

  85. Roger

    I will complain as soon as my wife has been discharged. I know how vindictive large organizations are when poor management practices are uncovered. Egos are delicate and vindictive power is generously unleashed. I once worked at RMIT.

    Quite right. Good luck, RB.

  86. Roger

    This is traditional Aboriginal culture which was practised across Australia for thousands of years, UNTIL WE STOPPED IT.

    Just as the British stopped suttee in India, or at least gave it their best shot.

    But, hey, all cultures are equal, yes?

  87. cohenite

    That must have been very distressful for the person you were visiting. Being sick or injured is bad enough, but such obvious rudeness and disrespect for others exacerbates the recovery process.

    Which is why the staff were negligent in not asking the father to remove the boy from the ward.

    The small things get to you. Some years back, daughter crook in hospital, Lebanese man brought in with thuggish family, a number of women in burqas; his continual strident yelling were unbelievable as were his family’s incessant demands and bullying towards staff. I caught his eye at one stage and his lip-curling smirk still lingers.

  88. Crossie

    ‘No’ will get up. But I doubt it.

    Even if the ‘no’ vote comes in at 90%, the result has already been decided by the ABS and the government. It’s a ‘yes’, peeps, that will be the “result”. Can anyone prove otherwise after the votes have be counted? No.

    How can it not turn out that way? We are expected to trust a bunch of public servants, take their word for it without any observers to make sure all is above board.

  89. Marcus Classis

    BWAHAHahahahahahahahaha!

    Making fun of antifa

    “You guys suck, just like ISIS”
    “Just the fuckboy version!”

    Priceless.

    https://youtu.be/5oGKXIibAD8

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hear of them often, as the little boy who survived by hiding under the bed then moved from Qld to Victoria, grew up, went to Rugby College in England, and later founded the sport known as “Australian Rules Football”

    Point taken. There are any amount of websites that list the Aboriginals massacred by the settlers, but there are none that list the settlers that were murdered..

  91. Anyone know anything about that English lady whose daughter got killed in a fight at a backpackers hostel in Qld last year?
    The old dear was on the TV a while back about something. She’s cropped up in conversation here today.
    Apparently she’s been making waves of some sort.
    No particular reason for asking.

  92. Muddy

    I think you are wimping out, custard.

    Custard? I’m not sure where that comes from.

    My problem is that as a young(ish) male with short hair, and looking not unfit, any confrontation I’m a part of where the other participant is not of the same ‘type’ as me, will end badly for me. Because we all know that young, Anglo males are brutal, violent aggressors who always initiate the conflict. Right?

    The other week I had a verbal go at an older bloke, slightly larger than me, at the local supermarket after he had a go at the checkout chick, for no reason other than he was in a grumpy mood. I made sure he knew I was not happy with his behaviour, but then I started getting too many people looking at me with worried faces and muttering, so I quietly slipped away before security arrived. It’s not a situation I enjoy, but rudeness and disrespect is one of my ‘buttons’ and I’m not fond of simply sucking it up.

  93. Fergus

    With the passing of sins of the father etc.
    When it comes up, I ask them “So you reckon we should be kicking the guts out of our young German and Japanese back packers, then?”
    And for massacres and slavery in the previous centuries “So what did you do to stop the slaughter in Rwanda/of the Kurds/Yeshidis/Christians/Bosnians in the basketball hall/etc?”
    Remind them too, it was often the African chieftains who sold the slaves to the traders. If the traders didn’t buy them they were sold to another tribe/ the Arabs/ killed.
    The past was savage but all we can take from it are the lessons.We have to work with what’s happening in our living years to make a better future.

  94. Fergus

    Some “fathers” of course teach their children to be evil. That is another issue.

  95. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The small things get to you. Some years back, daughter crook in hospital, Lebanese man brought in with thuggish family, a number of women in burqas; his continual strident yelling were unbelievable as were his family’s incessant demands and bullying towards staff. I caught his eye at one stage and his lip-curling smirk still lingers.

    My father was in and out of casualty wards for eighteen months before he died. I remember a similar display in Royal Perth hospital – I got the smirk, and retaliated by calling him an ignorant pig, and the follower of a backward religion, practiced only by the very stupid. Fortunately, he didn’t speak Afrikaans.

  96. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – Maybe Julie should consider hands-free…

    https://youtu.be/pD4Bs25ARu4

  97. 2dogs

    The violence has started in Catalonia.

    And it was started by the Spanish government.

    They could have let the referendum be held, choosing only to ignore the result. Like Iraq did last week. It is telling that Iraq can show a maturity that Spain lacks.

    But instead, it is now on the record that Madrid started the violence.

    It won’t end when the want it to. In the coming years, whenever Catalan separatists commit acts of violence (as will no doubt be the result of all of this), they rebels will point to today and say “you started it”.

  98. stackja

    Serena at the Pub
    #2511985, posted on October 1, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    Googled: English lady whose daughter got killed in a fight at a backpackers
    Result: Mia Ayliffe-Chung

    2016 Home Hill stabbings
    From Wikipedia

  99. Muddy

    Robber Baron.
    Having some knowledge of the public health system here in Qld, I know that there are a fecking lot of aggressive members of the public who feel they have a right to release that aggression whenever and wherever they feel like it. Though Qld Health has a much publicised ‘Zero Tolerance to Workplace Violence’ policy, in my experience, it’s mostly a veneer, and certainly not for the protection of the on-the-ground staff. The boards and CEOs are petrified of negative publicity, so assertive responses to public aggression are pretty much a no-no.
    There is also a very strong ‘diversity’ factor which would make it enormously stressful for a staff member to defend against a racism claim.

  100. Harlequin Decline

    Winston Smith
    #2511925, posted on October 1, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    I assume( could be wrong) the well is deep and not a shallow depression or soak. If this is the case the fire would go out since the carbon dioxide produced would tend to smother it and there is no draught to supply air.

  101. stackja

    On July 18, 1936, the Spanish Civil War begins as a revolt by right-wing Spanish military officers in Spanish Morocco and spreads to mainland Spain.

  102. Geriatric Mayfly

    The small things get to you. Some years back, daughter crook in hospital, Lebanese man brought in with thuggish family, a number of women in burqas; his continual strident yelling were unbelievable as were his family’s incessant demands and bullying towards staff. I caught his eye at one stage and his lip-curling smirk still lingers.

    Entitlement writ large. And this from uppity peasants to boot.

  103. Thanks Stackja. However there’s no mention there of what the mum is up to.
    Apparently she’s making quite some waves. Getting quite some folk very pissed off at her.

    I remember well the killing. Discussed on the Cat at the time. Bluey the dog was killed in action, the killer yelling “Allen Snackbar” as he stabbed the kuffar heeler to death.

    He must have been a handful, as he put a couple of coppers in hospital when they were transferring him from the watchhouse to court in Townsville.

    But it was the current activities of the mum that has been getting attention (apparently) of late.

  104. stackja

    Serena at the Pub
    #2512000, posted on October 1, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    HARROWING AND DEVASTATING’ Mum of Brit backpacker Mia Ayliffe-Chung, 21, stabbed to death in an Australian hostel reveals agony over brutal murder
    Rosie Ayliffe is struggling to come to terms with Mia’s death after she was stabbed to death in an Australian hostel in August last year
    By John Shammas
    23rd August 2017, 11:43 amUpdated: 23rd August 2017, 11:51 am

    The HEARTBROKEN mum of murdered Brit backpacker Mia Ayliffe-Chung has told one year on from her daughter’s death how she’s haunted by how “preventable” the killing was.

    Rosie has since fought a campaign to help backpackers in memory of Mia.

  105. Robber Baron

    The only poorly behaved people l have encountered at this hospital are people from the sub-continent and the middle-east.

    A roided up guy complete with shaved head and jihadi beard pushed past me yesterday so he could light up a fag in the area designated “no smoking.” These people have no manners at all. Lucky for them their culture imposes arranged marriages otherwise they would be regulars at the brothels or rapists. These people offer society nothing. But they vote Labor.

  106. calli

    Is there some sort of game happening in Oz? Chuckle.

  107. DrBeauGan

    Sorry muddy. I am easily confused.

  108. notafan

    Robber Baron

    Complain to treating physician.

    Patients have rights.

    It’s funny that noisesome behaviour is no longer tolerated in any go clinic but in a hospital anything goes.

  109. Snoopy

    Rosie Ayliffe: I won’t be ignored in my battle for migrant workers like Mia

  110. Fergus
    #2512003, posted on October 1, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    We get it testes – da ebil whitefella

  111. notafan

    There is a dedicated thread for the football game.

  112. Nick

    SRR, I don’t get it. Yesterday you asked for the AFL scores, despite having the net, yet are posting NRL updates. What gives ?

  113. Muddy

    I hope your wife improves as soon as possible Robber.

  114. Robber Baron

    Thanks for your concern all.

  115. nilk

    The closest PCYC gym here is 16+, but if you have a letter from a parent or guardian, you can be 15 and use the facilities. I had thought that the actual gym part of the PCYC was privatised, but I could be wrong. Locally, I mean.

    I’m a member with Jetts, and I signed up the offspring last year. Their rules are: no child under 14, and no child unaccompanied by an adult. She does not attend without me.

  116. calli

    On the subject of bad behaviour in hospitals, it’s common with certain cultures. Even in the ICU.

    I don’t get it. You’d think that people would be hushed and gentle given the precarious state of the patients. But no, it’s a family get-together, with undisciplined children shreiking and rolling around under the beds. They. Just. Don’t. Care.

    The moment I could get my child out, she was in the silence of the private hospital.

  117. Snoopy

    Old Mutual closed at 783 cents on the ZSE on Friday, while trading at 263.32 cents and 263.61 cents on the LSE and JSE, respectively, during the day.

    This discrepancy of a cross listed share gives room for the simultaneous buying and selling of the shares in different markets in order to take advantage of differing prices for the same share.

    For instance, on Thursday one could buy the Old Mutual share from either LSE or JSE and sell it 198% higher (treble) on the ZSE.

    Presumably the fungibility limit means it’s not quite that easy.

  118. Calli:

    You’d think that people would be hushed and gentle given the precarious state of the patients. But no, it’s a family get-together, with undisciplined children shreiking and rolling around under the beds. They. Just. Don’t. Care.

    And admin will crucify you if you pull them up.
    One of the reasons I’m sooo glad I’m out of the game.

  119. Infidel Tiger

    What an amazing weekend.

    Tigers 2017! Never thought I would see the day come.

  120. calli

    Winston, in Old Australia, people acknowledged death and respected doctors and nurses. They understood that hospital was the doorway to recovery or eternity.

    The hospital was run by Matron, a feared entity, who had nurses and sisters scrambling if she detected slacking off. Visiting Hours and Rest Time were hallowed. Only the foolhardy would challenge Matron.

    And then something changed.

  121. OneWorldGovernment

    One of the things I learned along the way is that bad and all the French Aristocrats were the revolution introduced socialism that kills every thing they don’t like.

    antifa is the same.

    Marx was a ‘johnny come lately’.

    Just like Keynes the faggot and anyone else that follows Keynesianism or New Keynesianism it is marxism.

  122. rickw

    Great kit, P14 sniper rifle, I have an M1917, incredibly accurate:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ODNBQr9gN6Y

  123. rickw

    I don’t get it. You’d think that people would be hushed and gentle given the precarious state of the patients. But no, it’s a family get-together, with undisciplined children shreiking and rolling around under the beds. They. Just. Don’t. Care.

    An insight into why their homelands are fucking terrible and why Australia is almost at fucking terrible.

  124. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    An insight into why their homelands are fucking terrible and why Australia is almost at fucking terrible.

    Harsh, but fair.

  125. Tel

    They could have let the referendum be held, choosing only to ignore the result. Like Iraq did last week. It is telling that Iraq can show a maturity that Spain lacks.

    But instead, it is now on the record that Madrid started the violence.

    It won’t end when the want it to. In the coming years, whenever Catalan separatists commit acts of violence (as will no doubt be the result of all of this), they rebels will point to today and say “you started it”.

    Kosovo.

  126. stackja

    calli
    #2512032, posted on October 1, 2017 at 8:51 pm
    Winston, in Old Australia, people acknowledged death and respected doctors and nurses. They understood that hospital was the doorway to recovery or eternity.

    The hospital was run by Matron, a feared entity, who had nurses and sisters scrambling if she detected slacking off. Visiting Hours and Rest Time were hallowed. Only the foolhardy would challenge Matron.

    And then something changed.

    Gough!

  127. Dave in Marybrook

    Serena at the Pub-
    Who was that young survivor who went to Rugby and started ARF?
    Can’t get anything sensible from Google- a name please?

  128. calli

    Stupidity always repeats itself.

    A natural law.

  129. Snoopy, Stackja, thanks for those links.
    She’s a rather crazy old bat, that’s for sure. I think I’m starting to see why she’s about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool.

  130. Serena at the Pub-
    Who was that young survivor who went to Rugby and started ARF?
    Can’t get anything sensible from Google- a name please?

    Google the history of AFL, surely there’s a founder somewhere (probably at the beginning?).
    His surname was Wills.

  131. Okay, on my third suggestion on a google search.
    Tom Wills.

    There’s apparently even a statue of him outside the MCG.

  132. stackja

    Serena at the Pub
    #2512045, posted on October 1, 2017 at 9:00 pm
    Snoopy, Stackja, thanks for those links.
    She’s a rather crazy old bat, that’s for sure. I think I’m starting to see why she’s about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool.

    Grieving mother?

  133. John Constantine

    http://theralphretort.com/stan-lee-tells-the-sjws-to-make-their-own-characters-they-cry-in-response-602501

    Signed document prevents Spiderman being gay in a movie [ for a while]

    The great replacement is all about hitting the old culture and claiming its resources.

    Also shows us the wymynsys activixt thinking.

    Revenge for gamergate.

  134. stackja

    Serena at the Pub
    #2512048, posted on October 1, 2017 at 9:03 pm
    Okay, on my third suggestion on a google search.
    Tom Wills.

    There’s apparently even a statue of him outside the MCG.

    Tom Wills
    From Wikipedia

    The rest of his life was characterised by social alienation, flights from creditors, and heavy drinking, likely as a means to self-medicate what is now termed posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). In 1880, destitute and suffering from delirium tremens, he committed suicide by stabbing himself in the heart.

  135. Snoopy

    After Macklemore’s performance no one took to social media to express their disapproval. Apparently.

  136. John Constantine

    Judgeybitch [ bless her heart] on why merkel and skeletor and the like just simply have to have millions of islamist military age males imported through the borders into their childless worlds.

    http://judgybitch.com/2017/07/28/50-shades-of-allahu-akbar-why-western-women-love-islam/

  137. he committed suicide by stabbing himself in the heart.

    He certainly meant to do it.
    For a painful end, that’s about one step short of Hari Kiri, in my view.

  138. OneWorldGovernment

    tom wills

    I

    n 1861 he accompanied his father and others overland to take up a property at Cullinlaringo, Queensland; in October all but Wills and two others who were absent from the camp were killed by Aboriginals.

  139. ssr

    🙂 KIDS NEED DADS!

    How much are my Storm boys sending THAT Message out to the country, against the lyin’, cheatin’ yessers attempt to sell their crap through the NRL!

  140. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    All the way from Vietnam.

    Where too, after Hoi An, calli?

  141. Muddy

    Thomas Wentworth Wills.
    This is why I lurk at The Cat. To learn. Thanks to all.

  142. ssr

    And not just posing either; those Storm Dads are natural and comfortable with their kids, who are likewise with their Dads who they love.

    It’s been a little mentioned secret of Storm’s success; being away from the Sydney League culture and focussing on a family culture to be proud of, that will last longer than a winning season … or many 😉 😀

  143. Dave in Marybrook

    Thanks Serena- got it now.
    In unrelated news, ABC WA TV news has just featured Coorinda, where David Bowie shot a bit of the vid for Let’s Dance. Bowie and a bassist play against the tiled wall of a country highway boozer- locals, noticably of all skin colours, dance together. Other shots were staged in Sydney and surrounds- it was a wierdo pastiche of “house-nigger” servitude with a mystical red-shoes cargo cult thing which transforms the life of a young girl of ATSI heritage into a sashaying libertine. Not a coherent narrative by any stretch.
    But poor Ginny Stein tells us that “Bowie used Let’s Dance to criticise Australia’s endemic racism”.
    Nitwit.

  144. OneWorldGovernment

    There was discussion up thread re fire and its been some time since I had to work out fire insurance in a commercial situation and I’m just wondering how much rates have increased given that re-insurers buy into and promote and support the whole globul warming, sea rise, devestating cyclone type crap.

  145. JC

    Dover,

    Are you in the Apple?

  146. Zatara

    Which is why the staff were negligent in not asking the father to remove the boy from the ward.

    No, it is why the staff were negligent in not booting the father from the ward.

    It’s known as attacking the center of gravity, that point which has the greatest effect on the target.

    ‘Schwerpunkt’ for the Clauswitzians among us.

  147. Mark A

    Someone posted about Diversity council and David Morrison, went to check it on Tim Blair, can’t believe it’s true.
    Are we really, truly that far gone down the tube?

    PS, the “Mark A” on TB’s site is not me, alas, I’m not as good a wordsmith as he is for one, and second, I will never subscribe to any newspaper site.

  148. ssr

    ?

    Nick
    #2512019, posted on October 1, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    SRR, I don’t get it. Yesterday you asked for the AFL scores, despite having the net, yet are posting NRL updates. What gives ?

    I watched my beloved Storm tonight on free to air. I called their tries and conversions.

    Mostly because no one cared to keep us updated on what AFL scores were and I found THAT rather odd … so many expert opinions on that game, shared here most weeks, but come the GF, and getting any update was like pulling teeth … almost like there was some contractual agreement by professional bloggers to force people to go to licence holders for any detail.

  149. GerardO

    gettin’ mad at Mary Mansion

  150. min

    Brilliant ad for Yes tonight . Beautiful music Love is Love followed by a series of the nasty name calling . Then Love is Love except if you do not agree.

  151. calli

    Where too, after Hoi An, calli?

    Hanoi then Siem Reep, Zulu.

    My suitcase is groaning with good things, including an exquisite piece of silk embroidery and many shirts.

    The Beloved and I are keen to test our Antler spinner zippers.

  152. ssr

    min
    #2512088, posted on October 1, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    Brilliant ad for Yes tonight . Beautiful music Love is Love followed by a series of the nasty name calling . Then Love is Love except if you do not agree.

    … all those Storm players kids out on the field with their loving Dads, being one of the quietest, yet most powerful and memorable ads For The NO Vote.

    They weren’t just League’s champions, they were the champions of the natural family, when we really needed them.

  153. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hanoi then Siem Reep, Zulu.

    We stayed in the Metropole Hotel – the “Grand Old Lady” – very evocative. The French officers of the 6th Colonial Parachute Battalion had drinks there before the battalion was virtually annihilated at Dien Bien Phu.

  154. Dave in Marybrook

    Aussie Rules- fantastic game. The 2017 GF was a bit one-sided, after a great first two quarters, with a welcome return of ball-punching.
    But writing a running commentary for the thread- impossible. Or at least improbable if you’re watching. Unlike soccer or rugby, it’s not a war of opposing fronts with occasional gains- it’s more like basketball, with an overlapping field- and the thrills and spills come thick and fast all the time. Scores creep up in ones and sixes- leads change often, at least in the good matches.

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    So the police are justified in shooting their citizens and throwing out polls?

    Are Commies actually citizens, is a more important question?
    And will a bit of rubber smarten them up?

  156. Unlike soccer or rugby, it’s not a war of opposing fronts with occasional gains- it’s more like basketball,

    True, though to be more accurate, it is actually a helluva lot more like Netball.

  157. JC

    Dover_beach
    #2512094, posted on October 1, 2017 at 11:14 pm
    Dover,

    Are you in the Apple?

    Yes

    Burger next week at the usual spot?

  158. Slayer of Memes

    Must be something in the calendar…

    Incident One (Breaking News):

    Knifeman shot dead after Marseille attack

    At least one person has been stabbed to death and another seriously wounded after a man attacked people with a knife at Marseille train station.

    A police source said the attacker killed one man on a platform and seriously injured another person. Police confirmed that the attacker had been shot dead.

    The area around Marseille station has been sealed off and police have asked people to avoid the area. France’s Interior Minister, Gérard Collomb, is travelling to the scene.

    Marseille police said an operation “is under way” while French television BFM TV reported at least one person has been stabbed and the attacker has been shot dead.

    Police sources said the attacker shouted “Allahu Akkbar”.

    Incident Two (also Breaking News):

    Edmonton police investigate ‘acts of terrorism’ after officer stabbed and vehicle rams pedestrians

    A man who attacked a police officer with a knife and deliberately plowed into pedestrians on Edmonton’s busiest downtown strip is being investigated for “acts of terrorism,” Edmonton Police Chief Rod Knecht said at a press conference early Sunday morning.

    The man is in custody following a high-speed chase just before midnight through streets filled with bargoers and local football fans. The chase ended only after the white U-Haul struck four pedestrians and crashed onto his side on a side street. 

    The condition of the four pedestrians is unknown. Knecht confirmed the officer who was attacked was not critically injured.

    “We believe the individual acted alone,” Knecht said. He confirmed that an ISIS flag was seized from the vehicle initially connected with the attack on the police officer.

    Knecht said the man is known to police, but said after the officer was stabbed, police didn’t expect a second event of this magnitude. 

    “Did we have any forewarning of this event? Absolutely not,” he said.

    EPS spokesperson Scott Pattison said following the officer stabbing that there was no further risk to the public.

    Witnesses out in Edmonton’s downtown described the white van was speeding west down Jasper Avenue at a high speed, with the police directly behind.

    “The police cars just kept coming. They just kept coming,” said Jaylene Ellard, who was out with a friend when the scene unfolded on the bar-filled avenue on a crisp early fall evening.

    Some of the police vehicles started to block off the intersections that spine north or south off Jasper Avenue while others pursued the white van, Ellard said.

    Brian McNeill was with a group of friends in the dusty parking lot just west of Boston Pizza at 106th Street when the van and police vehicles tore down the street. He estimated the cars were travelling at between 70 and 80 km/h.

    “That high-speed chase should have never, ever in a million years have happened downtown,” said McNeill. “If you’ve got 20 cops chasing one guy and there’s pedestrians that are walking down this road?”
    McNeill said the U-Haul was speeding down the wrong side of the street. Another witness said the van travelled as far as 109th Street, turned north, cut through an alley then back-tracked in the opposite direction down Jasper Avenue.

    Then, as several witnesses recounted, pedestrians were struck near 107th Street. It is not known the extent of their injuries or how many people were hit.

    McNeill and his friends, gathered in the back of a pickup, said they heard a lone gunshot after the collision.
    On the other side of Edmonton’s busy main strip, Pat Hannigan also thought he heard a single gunshot.

    “It was just a loud bang. I thought there was someone who got shot,” he said Sunday.

    But Hannigan believes the noise was the sound of the U-Haul van striking the sidewalk near 107th Street and 100th Avenue.

    “I saw the van on its side, it flipped over … and they had a guy handcuffed on the ground and obviously they smashed out the window.”

    He said police handcuffed the man from the vehicle.

    About an hour after the chase, bargoers on Jasper Avenue were calm but confused at the massive police presence. Music continued to blare from the biggest bars, and some Eskimos fans were blaring their fog-horns into the mayhem of the street.

    Pedestrians were turned away from certain routes where police cars had set up and blocked the passage.

    Many in Edmonton’s downtown had earlier in the evening been at the Eskimos game on the city’s north side, and had heard of an incident involving a police officer.

    EPS has confirmed that while thousands of fans packed Commonwealth Stadium for the game against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, a man rammed his Chevrolet Malibu into a police vehicle station at a routine traffic blockade around 8:15 p.m.

    Earlier in the evening, EPS spokesman Scott Pattison confirmed there was an “altercation” between the man and the officer after the police car was rammed. That left the officer in hospital but not seriously injured.

    The confrontation was “unexpected,” Pattison said.

    He said there was no risk to the public, despite the manhunt underway.

    #MentallyIll
    #LoneWolf x2
    #NothingToDoWithIslam
    #ReligionOfPeace
    #MostFeministOfReligions

  159. How long before some chick gets her “scarf pulled off” in both Alberta, and Paris.

    (Despite the near saturation of western society with camera video phones, there’ll be no footage whatsoever of either scarf removal)

  160. C.L.

    Bill Shorten’s henchmen threaten woman:

    Pretend to back Yes, Labor senator Helen Polley told.

    A Labor senator who is opposed to same-sex marriage says she has been urged by senior MPs and members of the ALP’s organis­ational wing to pretend to be in favour of changing the Marriage Act.

    Tasmanian senator Helen Polley told The Australian she was maligned in the party because of her views and had been told she would cost Labor votes at the next federal election because she was ­opposed to gay marriage.

    Senator Polley, a Catholic and a No voter in Malcolm Turnbull’s $122 million postal survey, said senior party figures had told her to change her position publicly even though it would go against her conscience. She would not name the people who told her to change her position, but said they were senior federal MPs and leading figures in the Tasmanian organisation.

    “I’ve been told that I could be responsible for losing the next federal election,” she said.

    “It would be much easier for my life, in some respects, in dealing with my colleagues to change my position and support same-sex marriage. There is pressure from outside, there is pressure from friends, from colleagues, from staffers.

  161. Snoopy

    “I’ve been told that I could be responsible for losing the next federal election,” she said.

    Goat. Scaped.

  162. Burger next week at the usual spot?

    Sure thing.

  163. calli

    Here in Hoi An, it feels like the wedding capital of the world. Over the past three days I have passed many couples celebrating, all dressed in various costumes. The predominant colour is red, which I believe is for good luck.

    Every bride is beautiful. This is a given. Every groom looks a little self conscious and awkward. Chuckle.

    I wonder what they would think of our nonsensical “survey”.

  164. “It would be much easier for my life, in some respects, in dealing with my colleagues to change my position and support same-sex marriage. There is pressure from outside, there is pressure from friends, from colleagues, from staffers.

    Remember, this has all happened in the space of five years. Support for marriage being a union between the sexes was uncontroversial since time immemorial. Gillard, as a Labor PM and as senior member of Cabinet opposed, and voted No, on several SS’M’ bills. Previous Labor leaders would have scoffed at the idea of marriage being anything other than a relationship between the sexes; thought the idea absurd and facetious. Less than five years later, members of the ALP are being bullied by the Party to support SS’M’. There is something deeply weird about this whole situation.

  165. GerardO

    I want to gay marry Mickle Moore.

  166. Stimpson J. Cat

    There is something deeply weird about this whole situation.

    It’s a sad day for Italians when the Gay Mafia has more reach, power, and is more feared than the Italian Mafia.

  167. Farmer Gez

    Here in Bhubaneswar SSM is not a thing at all. Lovely girls all in gloriously bright fabrics with a phone in hand just in case a selfie moment crops up. There are plenty of cows in the street but not the dungaree, crew cut types we have.

  168. Tom

    That Spectator Oz cartoon was by Anton Emdin.

  169. Thanks Tom. Pickering has it today.

  170. Hydra

    Mostly because no one cared to keep us updated on what AFL scores were and I found THAT rather odd … so many expert opinions on that game, shared here most weeks, but come the GF, and getting any update was like pulling teeth … almost like there was some contractual agreement by professional bloggers to force people to go to licence holders for any detail.

    Coz we were fucking munted at the pub.

  171. Herodotus

    Thanks Tom. My favourite Spectator cover was the one which had Bernardi deserting the sinking giant rat.

  172. Gab

    Fours Corners doing a hit job on Adani tonight, backed by Greenpeace.

  173. Herodotus

    I’ve been told that I could be responsible for losing the next federal election,” she said.

    “It would be much easier for my life, in some respects, in dealing with my colleagues to change my position and support same-sex marriage. There is pressure from outside, there is pressure from friends, from colleagues, from staffers.

    This is, sadly, the way politics now works in respect of most issues. It’s often the media doing the browbeating, the standover, the vilification, the undermining of a sensible policy position.

  174. Herodotus

    Four Corners and the rest of the ABC have been doing a hit job on Australia for ages.

  175. Herodotus

    It’s ok to be in parliament and support open borders, green schemes, the climate scam, destruction of the coal industry, coal power, social cohesion, or to be an advocate of socialism. But it’s not ok to have any residual citizenship lurking unknown in your background.
    Curious priorities.

  176. ssr

    KIDS NEED DADS!

    REAL MEN MAKE THE BEST DADS!

    THANK YOU MELBOURNE STORM for continuing to be THE GREATEST CHAMPIONS,
    long after the final siren 🙂

    It’s Better than O.K. to Vote NO. It’s Champion! 🙂

  177. Geriatric Mayfly

    Pope Francis Tells Migrants: ‘You Are Warriors of Hope’
    Pope Francis flew to Bologna, Italy, Sunday and met with a large group of migrants and refugees, calling them “warriors of hope” while insisting that nations open broader avenues for immigration.

    Not a day goes by when this meddlesome old bugger is not pushing a leftist barrow. If politics floats his boat, he should get out of the Vatican and join all his mates in the European Parliament.

  178. notafan

    Milo wobbled on ssmarriage a while back and now of course he’s completely folded.

    Because love is love.


    Milo gets married in Hawaii

  179. pete m

    ssr will be devastated when a gay melb storm players comes out after retirement.

  180. ssr

    In case you all still want to pretend Storm’s very public display of, kids who love their Dads who love their kids, wasn’t a beautiful silent prayer –

    Real Mark Latham‏ @RealMarkLatham 9m9 minutes ago
    Real Mark Latham Retweeted Jane Caro

    Loves the anti-Semite singer.
    Demonises “white male privilege”.
    Two sides of the same coin.

    Jane Caro @JaneCaro
    Couldn’t give a flying fuck about sport. Don’t know nor care who played or who won, but I do know Macklemore played his song & that’s a win.

    No Jane.
    Kids Won!
    Because for once we all got to see Real Men being Real Dads, and Happier than Grand Final Winners for That Blessing.

    We ALL saw it Jane. It couldn’t be missed. A field full of the toughest of men being the most natural of proud Dads … in all that hullabaloo even the smallest of babies were relaxed in their fathers powerful, protective arms.

    It’s what every kid instinctively longs for (even after a lifetime of brainwashing by you Alphabet people), and last night the whole world saw true champions have a huge win in the culture wars trying to deny kids their Dads.

  181. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fours Corners doing a hit job on Adani tonight

    Raaaaacist!
    Funny how the Left never says that about the opponents of Indian coal miners. It’s a mystery.

  182. ssr

    Wanna know the difference between bitter losers and champions in life?

    This is a bitter loser –

    pete m
    #2512161, posted on October 2, 2017 at 7:51 am

    ssr will be devastated when a gay melb storm players comes out after retirement.

    They let their personal ill will towards others cloud their judgement and blind them to what matters.

    Champions focus on what really matters and the wins naturally follow.

    The Yes Vote can end up ‘counted‘ as 90%, but there’s an actual family culture at Melbourne Storm that generations of quiet achievers are now proud to belong to, and they will pass on the love of that culture that’s such an integral part of their, outstanding, winning ways.

  183. Snoopy

    Fours Corners doing a hit job on Adani tonight, backed by Greenpeace.

    Gosh! One could be excused for thinking a Queensland election is in the offing.

  184. Baldrick

    Fours Corners doing a hit job on Adani tonight, backed by Greenpeace.

    Another case of activism disguised as journalism, on our dime.

  185. ssr

    James Woods‏Verified account @RealJamesWoods 19h19 hours ago
    More James Woods Retweeted Senator Bob Menendez

    Shouldn’t you be getting your salad tossed by the boys of Cell Block D right about now?

    <em>Senator Bob MenendezVerified account @SenatorMenendez

    Pres.Trump is so unfamiliar w/ what real leadership looks like, that when San Juan Mayor @CarmenYulinCruz shows it, he attacks her. Shameful https://twitter.com/buzzfeednews/status/914235508280123392

    O.K., if it’s important enough for James Woods to Tweet, surely I can post this without the nagging narrative CONtrollers jumping in to TELL everyone they shouldn’t bother listening to these very important, documented, factual details –

    The Truth About The Sen. Bob Menendez Corruption Trial
    Stefan Molyneux
    Sep 30, 2017
    New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez and Dominican Republic born ophthalmologist Dr. Salomon Melgen were indicted on public corruption and bribery charges on April 1, 2015. Only two weeks later on April 15, Melgen was also indicted on Medicare fraud charges. At the center of the corruption trial is the long-standing mutually-beneficial relationship between Menendez and Melgen.

    Democrat Sen. Bob Menendez is the first United States senator on trial for corruption in 36 years and faces six counts of bribery, three counts of honest services fraud, one count of conspiracy, one count of interstate travel to carry out bribery, and one count of making false statements on his congressional financial disclosures to conceal the criminal activity. Melgen faces the same charges, except for the charge related to congressional financial disclosures.

    If Menendez is convicted and forced out of office before January, current New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie would be responsible for picking his replacement – likely meaning another temporary GOP vote from a state which has not elected a Republican Senator since 1972.

  186. Baldrick

    Fours Corners doing a hit job on Adani tonight, backed by Greenpeace.

    Strange timing by TheirABC going into activist mode.
    Of course it’s purely coincidental that activist group Stop Adani has their Big Day of Action, next Saturday.

  187. Hydra

    ‘We have seen behaviours and attitudes that are repugnant to any democrat, and never again shall be repeated,’ he continued, referring to those calling for Catalonian independence.

    What a disgraceful comment.

    I don’t know whether Catexit is a good idea or not, and I know that the referendum was illegal, but that doesn’t mean 800 people have to be injured by the State. What a disgrace.

  188. Candy

    I wonder if Milo will be having children soon.

  189. John64

    Fours Corners doing a hit job on Adani tonight, backed by Greenpeace.

    Not that there was ever any doubt, but AM this morning gave a preview of tonight’s Four Corners enviro-hatchet job.

    Expect 50 minutes of climate change catastrophism, Great Barrier Reef obliteration disaster porn and allegations of corporate criminality and misbehaviour – all without a single shred of evidence.

    The Government may as well just give $1.2 billion per year to Greenpeace, who at least would be more upfront and honest about how the money would be spent.

  190. Snoopy

    Twitter Shuts Down Pro-Freedom ‘Voice of Europe’ Twitter Page

    What? Are Catalonians Nazis? I thought they were Commos.

  191. jupes

    What have the Muslims been up to overnight?

    Oh.

  192. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Less than forty years of democracy and Spain reverts to despotism.

  193. Pivot

    Tom – Cheers to you 👍

  194. Tom

    Hahaha. Trump is the star at the Presidents Cup (won 19-11 by the US), with the crowd whoopin’ “USA! USA! USA!” The fake news media will be furious.

  195. Nick

    I wonder if Milo will be having children soon.

    He dropped them off at the pool last night.

  196. Diogenes

    Just coming into lidcombe on the train. Big piece of graffitti on a wall boo macklemore boo !

  197. Caveman

    EU behind this don’t want their gravy train falling to bits. Catalonian people are strong and well educated and bring in most of the wealth. I hope they fight it out.

  198. egg_

    Expect 50 minutes of climate change catastrophism, Great Barrier Reef obliteration disaster porn and allegations of corporate criminality and misbehaviour – all without a single shred of evidence.

    They get their scripts from James Cameron?

    The Left say that in making a documentary, the moment you turn the camera on, you’re showing your subjectivity rather than supposed objectivity; what’s to stop them scripting the whole thing with an agenda?

  199. notafan

    Yes Catalan’s claim is that they pay the most taxes.

    As a basis for secession that sucks in my opinion.

    Nothing to do with strength and education.

    Which sounds elitist.

    Long been the industrial heartland of Spain.

    Capitalism is the basis of their wealth, communism is their politics.

  200. egg_

    disaster porn

    But, but… “there’s opportunity in adversity” c/- Sarah Hyphen-Bong.

  201. egg_

    Big piece of graffitti on a wall boo macklemore boo !

    Mo’s disapproves pooves?

  202. Mike of Marion

    Candy
    #2512180, posted on October 2, 2017 at 8:37 am

    He’ll be well and truly screwed trying!

  203. ssr

    Aren’t the Communists the unproductive layabouts who take the wealth of the productive Capitalists?

  204. ssr

    Has ‘pope’ Frank opened his big Commie mouth on the Spanish situation?

  205. egg_

    Fours Corners doing a hit job on Adani tonight, backed by Greenpeace.

    Strange timing by TheirABC going into activist mode.
    Of course it’s purely coincidental that activist group Stop Adani has their Big Day of Action, next Saturday.

    Their Green-Left Weekly activist journalists in action, business as usual at Aunty – nothing to see here, move along.

  206. Boambee John

    Broadly on the subject of garriage, I notice tgat Brandis has set up a review of the Family Law Act.

    What are the odds that the bias against heteronormative men continues, but that lots of “gay friendly” clauses appear to “ease the path” for SS divorces to provide “fairness” in child access and property distribution?

  207. notafan

    What was my point?

    Catalan’s wealth iirc is because capitalism works, a huge industrial heartland powered by hydro electricy at the end of the 19th century is the basis of Catalan wealth with large numbers moving from poorer parts of agrarian Spain to work in the factories.

    The communists/ separatists think that Catalan wealth being shared with Spain is unfair and they should secede.

    I don’t know the percentage of immigrants in Catalan’s but it is very high.

    The same people hate tourists and do what they can to keep them out of Barcelona.

    There was some very illogical behaviour from workers collectives during the Spanish Civil War, some things don’t change.

  208. Hadley just mentioned NRL approached Taylor Swift and that John Farnham had said was available.

    From comments have seen the Yes side taking Maclemore’s performance as a win. The crowd nearest the stage were obviously his demographic and Yes supporters and making equality signs. It would appear favourable commentary from some TV types is based on observing this selected audience around Macklemore. They did not represent your average NRL fan.

    Not seen anything to indicate what the great majority of the crowd in the seats did or thought.

  209. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has ‘pope’ Frank opened his big Commie mouth on the Spanish situation?

    Suspect the old bugger is still in bed. But it won’t be long before he stirs. Ferdinand and Isabella will probably get some flak and after several centuries of their racist handiwork it’s time to let “the warriors of hope” back in again. The nuns will give the Alhambra a good dust and polish.

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