Monday Forum: October 2, 2017

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  1. John64

    Bugger – the only place to be this time of the year is No 1.

  2. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Wow! Fourth!?!?

  3. twostix

    If the no campaign – whatever exists of it – want to do some damage they need to let the everyman hear that voting “yes” (or not voting) isn’t the end of all of this it is the beginning. To expect things like NRL’s show of “braveness” (against them) all the time.

  4. egg_

    If the no campaign – whatever exists of it – want to do some damage they need to let the everyman hear that voting “yes” (or not voting) isn’t the end of all of this it is the beginning. To expect things like NRL’s show of “braveness” (against them) all the time.

    Pooves ball every week?

  5. Marcus Classis

    yay, in the top ten!

  6. Calli;
    From the Old Fred:

    The hospital was run by Matron, a feared entity, who had nurses and sisters scrambling if she detected slacking off. Visiting Hours and Rest Time were hallowed. Only the foolhardy would challenge Matron.

    And then something changed.

    It wasn’t just hospitals Calli, sometime in the ’80s, management changed radically.
    We now see the fruits of that change.
    1. Defence procurement that is only capable of tipping vast amounts of money into holes – not one defence acquisition in the last 40 years has delivered what was promised.
    2. The NBN – ’nuff said.
    3. Public infrastructure;
    3a. Power plants built to serve the growing population,
    3b. Not enough dams,
    3c. Not enough new airports,
    3d. The list is endless.
    What has happened in Australia is that we have had a catastrophic collapse in the managerial sector – especially in the Public Service.
    The only thing I can think of is that Process has won out over Outcome.

  7. twostix

    The NRL and managerialist cochroach class in general already have years of gay marriage “celebration” events planned.

    Vote no: stop them.

  8. Boambee John

    Broadly on the subject of garriage, I notice that Brandis has set up a review of the Family Law Act.

    What are the odds that the bias against heteronormative men continues, but that lots of “gay friendly” clauses appear to “ease the path” for SS divorces to provide “fairness” in child access and property distribution?

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Catalan independence is being pushed by the Kremlin. It would be a disaster for Spain and NATO.

  10. Des Deskperson

    From the previous feed:

    I’ve just spent a bit of time in PNG for reasons I won’t bore you with, but I managed to find time to visit the Bomana War Cemetery which contains about 4000 graves of Australian and other Commonwealth service people killed in the Pacific theatre.

    Compared to the surrounding hideously gouged and garbage-strewm topography of Port Moresby, it is, of course, an oasis of verdancy, order and peace. All graves were poignant, but one stood out for me: Privet B F Morris, 55th Infantry Battalion, died 5 July 1942, aged SIXTY-ONE!!

    This man’s back-story would be fascinating as well as almost certainly very moving. What was a sixty-one year old doing as an infantry private in harm’s way in PNG in 1942? Did he volunteer or was he just caught up in events? What was his role? Did he die as a result of fighting or was he killed by disease? Who or what was the 55th Infantry Battalion? I don’t know enough about Australian military history to even speculate about such issues.

  11. Boambee John

    Winston at 0957

    The only thing I can think of is that Process has won out over Outcome.

    It’s a few years now since I left the APS, but back then the process was not working well, so expecting the outcomes to be useful was a bit much.

    Process tied itself in knots trying to cover every possibility so that the arses of the decision makers were safe.

  12. Myrddin Seren

    What has happened in Australia is that we have had a catastrophic collapse in the managerial sector – especially in the Public Service.

    The only thing I can think of is that Process has won out over Outcome.

    I would say politics has trumped professionalism in all fields – especially now in the guise of the toxic brew of identity politics.

    memoryvault has referred in the past to The Malcontents in the public service. Sort of the head of the Get Up/Whitlam Tragics hydra.

    Through business and probably the lower ranks of the political offices and public service are people who would rather have your hand cut off than shakes hands on a new Gaia-destroying dam or power station. This is identity politics.

    Not looking like this will end well.

  13. egg_

    From the OOF:

    In the big picture, secessionist movements are bad news if you believe in nations and borders. Secessionists are always around (we even have them here) and they always play the same tune. We are oppressed, we are not getting our “fair” share, etc. Since they can’t get what they want within the nation’s political system, they (usually mistakenly) believe that the solution is to opt out.

    Sounds like the fanciful meme of Libertarianism – such hot house flowers can’t exist without existing infrastructure afforded by the Big State of military, etc.

  14. Tom

    Were you at the game, IT? Someone here suggested you weren’t.

  15. johanna

    From Ye Olde Fredde:

    johanna
    #2512239, posted on October 2, 2017 at 10:02 am

    In the big picture, secessionist movements are bad news if you believe in nations and borders. Secessionists are always around (we even have them here) and they always play the same tune. We are oppressed, we are not getting our “fair” share, etc. Since they can’t get what they want within the nation’s political system, they (usually mistakenly) believe that the solution is to opt out.

    This endless splintering of the polity is right out of the Left’s playbook. Divide and conquer. The history of Europe is the history of secessionism, as the borders changed and changed and changed again, leading to instability and war.

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree that regions may have legitimate grievances.

    Splitting up countries has a long history of not turning out well, and certainly not of producing economic prosperity for all parties.

    I don’t know all the ins and outs of the Spanish situation, and agree that the government is heavy-handed and brutal. But, in the history of Spanish politics, that is nothing new. It’s what they do.

    I refer readers to the extraordinary political achievement of the nation of Indonesia. How they managed to create and maintain that polity is an absolute marvel. And yes, a lot of it is not pretty. However, the alternative is so awful it is difficult to contemplate.

  16. Top Ender

    I claim this thread for the orchestra of the Titanic, who manned their instruments to the last.

    Comparisons with Australia are rejected.

  17. ssr

    Oh right, so Commie ‘pope’ Frank does want Catalan to stay a part of Commie Spain and the Commie EU.

    All just one big Commie block, fighting back to back with the Commie UN to make the whole world bloody Communist.

    Got it.

    https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/09/30/catalonia-referendum-divides-church-people/

  18. twostix

    Having said that the footy show and NRL culture in general shows that many NRL fans are more than comfortable with the NRL encouraging homo erotic behaviour.

    The late ’90’s footy show was basically fatty crying out for help – blowing the whistle “help us!” he was silently crying to fans as management ordered they strut around on stage dressed up like prison bitchs, defend the culture of 10 men: 1 woman homo orgies, etc, etc..

  19. Boambee John

    Des D at 1002

    What was a sixty-one year old doing as an infantry private in harm’s way in PNG in 1942? Did he volunteer or was he just caught up in events?

    The oldest member of the First AIF was a 63 year old Victorian farmer serving in the 14th Battalion. He was killed by artillery fire in 1918. He gave his age on enlistment as lor 40s (43 iirc). His son, who was 28 on enlistment iirc, was also in the AIF, and survived.

    I used to know his name, but to my regret I have forgotten it.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    Winning!

    KASICH: I might quit Republican party…
    Can we help you pack?

    Muslim refugees opting to settle in Mexico instead of USA…
    Chocolate chillis and tequila, yum! Oh wait, not tequlia.

    Blowback? NFL Ticket Sales Crash 17.9% As Owners Lose Control Of Players
    ROFL. Gravity sucks: if you must jump off a cliff, guys, don’t expect a soft landing.

    (I’ve used the Drudge headlines for the first two as they’re more fun.)

  21. Top Ender

    What was a sixty-one year old doing as an infantry private in harm’s way in PNG in 1942?

    It has happened Des. Somewhere I have the story of a private in his sixties who was serving in Australian forces in WWI. He was noticed by his officer when he asked about the safety-catch on his Lee Enfield 303. The previous rifles he had used didn’t have such a feature.

  22. JC

    Agreed Johanna

    I refer readers to the extraordinary political achievement of the nation of Indonesia.

    The western side of Papua, Timor and Bali to a lessor extent are a pinup of this wonderful achievement you’re referring to.

    How they managed to create and maintain that polity is an absolute marvel.

    Great point. The jackboot and an AK47 works wonders.

    And yes, a lot of it is not pretty.

    True, but there’s a certain poetic beauty seeing dead bodies pile up, no?

    However, the alternative is so awful it is difficult to contemplate.

    Lol

  23. johanna

    The only thing I can think of is that Process has won out over Outcome.

    That’s definitely true of the APS. By the time I thankfully left, my time as a manager in a policy area was at least 50% consumed by filling out forms about diversity, compliance with the National Disability Strategy, nine pages on our input into the Budget (ours was zero), OHS, and similar rubbish. Then we got caned for not meeting deadlines about the real work. Alternatively, we got caned for not meeting deadlines for the bullshit work.

    This transformation happened in a relatively short timeframe – about 20 years, I reckon. It is the takeover by SJWs of the bureaucracy in action. It is a major reason why child protection services don’t work. If they are not filling out useless forms, they are being corralled by hippie-inspired policies from above.

    As Parkinson astutely observed many years ago, bureaucratic impediments are never removed, merely overlaid with new ones. This has been an absolute boon to the SJWs who now infest the upper echelons.

  24. ssr

    So, Melbourne Storm wins yet another Grand Final and suddenly the GAYFL is no longer a thing?

    It’s all the evil NRL.

    meh, but I’m not surprised, my other team, Carlton also, refused to be forced to advocate for SS’m’, so …

    But don’t get me wrong. I am no fan of the NRL, who like everyone but dyed in the wool Stormers, has treated this truly legendary club, abominably.

    So again, on this Monday thread, I will restate what I find to be a rather odd omission from the SS’m’ NO voters, when reviewing what the NRL tried to do last night, but Melbourne Storm succeeded in doing – Demonstrating One of The Most Important Reasons to Vote For Humanity –

    I’m sorry for you didn’t get your fairytale ending yesterday, Fergus, but at least I’m sure you can be happy about Storm having the last, and lasting say, against the fairy pushing NRL.

    That field full of loving Dads and the kids who love them, after the final siren, was the loudest ‘silent protest‘ For Natural Fatherhood anyone could of made, and like everything Storm do, they did it with pure class.

    Everywhere the cameras pointed, there was a another Storm player, proudly, naturally holding his child as what they are, Better Than Any Trophy Ever! … even the NRL Grand Final Trophy 😉 🙂

    So please excuse me while I make up for the lack of sporting good will shown us Stormers, and repeat –

    KIDS NEED DADS!

    REAL MEN MAKE THE BEST DADS!

    THANK YOU MELBOURNE STORM for continuing to be THE GREATEST CHAMPIONS,
    long after the final siren 🙂

    It’s Better than O.K. to Vote NO. It’s Champion! 🙂

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I don’t know enough about Australian military history to even speculate about such issues.

    Zulu, Top Ender, Baldrick – can you give Des some help here? It does sound like a back-story worth investigating, for someone with the time and inclination. The Australian War Museum could surely help with enquiries?

  26. Delta A

    Another reason to ditch the Libs:

    A pro-same-sex marriage group within the Liberal Party has been forced to back down on a request for MPs to provide information about constituents to the Yes campaign, after MPs raised concerns the move could breach the privacy of voters.

    Party officials were left scrambling after learning the “Libs & Nats for Yes” lobby on Thursday asked federal Liberal MPs by email to hand over sensitive voter information held in the party’s internal Feedback database.

    Feedback data — which most often comes from constituents emailing MPs or submitting contact details at functions — matches information with the electoral roll to provide a more complete voter profile.

    The email, sent by Melbourne office bearer and political consultant David Van, mentioned former acting federal Liberal Party director Andrew Bragg and said the information would be used to build “target universes” for the Yes campaign.

    To rtwt, search: Lib lobby retreats on voter info

  27. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That field full of loving Dads and the kids who love them, after the final siren, was the loudest ‘silent protest‘ For Natural Fatherhood anyone could of made, and like everything Storm do, they did it with pure class.

    Great post there srr from one very loyal fan indeed. Well done.

  28. johanna

    I see that JC, master of geopolitics, disapproves of Indonesia.

    However, no doubt in deference to his forthcoming, definitive, book on the issue, he fails to tell us what the alternative might look like. Like your typical Leftist, he takes pot shots but has no alternative other than chaos.

  29. Boambee John

    Oops, missed the important point.

    oldest member of the First AIF KIA was a 63 year old Victorian farmer

  30. Boambee John

    TE at 1013

    See my posts at 1011 and 1030.

  31. Infidel Tiger

    Were you at the game, IT? Someone here suggested you weren’t.

    Blood oath I was there.

    One of the best days of my life. Still hasn’t sunk in.

  32. Nick

    But don’t get me wrong. I am no fan of the NRL, who like everyone but dyed in the wool Stormers, has treated this truly legendary club, abominably.

    They were proven cheats, funded exorbitantly by News Ltd.

  33. ssr

    🙂

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2512262, posted on October 2, 2017 at 10:29 am

    That field full of loving Dads and the kids who love them, after the final siren, was the loudest ‘silent protest‘ For Natural Fatherhood anyone could of made, and like everything Storm do, they did it with pure class.

    Great post there srr from one very loyal fan indeed. Well done.

    Lizzie, I’ve been a Storm fan since before there was a Storm 🙂 …. and I will shut up now …. 😉

  34. Nick

    Blood oath I was there.
    One of the best days of my life. Still hasn’t sunk in.

    Good on you I.T, soak it up. I have this strange vision though of you partying with Waleed.

  35. Infidel Tiger

    Russian Today Bot Srr won’t rebuke North Korea and backs Kremlin orchestrated campaign to break up Spain. Very telling.

  36. GoTiges

    I don’t know enough about Australian military history to even speculate about such issues.

    A good place to start would be with Peter Brune’s most excellent book “A Bastard of a Place’ the story of the Australian campaign in PNG, (not just Kokoda). He gives a good account of the various battalions that fought there. I haven’t read the book for a while but you’ll probably find the bloke Des came across at Bomana was a member of the Militia from Victoria.
    If you’re ever in PNG, I highly recommend a trip out to Bomana. It is as Des describes, a beautiful oasis in a very run down part of Port Moresby. The local RSL also puts on the best dawn service on Anzac Day at Bomana.

  37. Top Ender

    FB Morris’s Service Record is in the National Archives. The results of a search can be found at naa.gov.au.

    A fee – it’s about $60 – would have to be paid to have the record located and photographed, which enables them to be read page by page.

  38. JC

    I see that JC, master of geopolitics, disapproves of Indonesia.

    I don’t think I’ve ever suggested I’m a master of geo-politics. However it’s quite easy to notice the scribbling of a fat loudmouth drunk who has no idea what she’s talking about making up bullshit to appear as facts.

    However, no doubt in deference to his forthcoming, definitive, book on the issue, he fails to tell us what the alternative might look like. Like your typical Leftist, he takes pot shots but has no alternative other than chaos.

    It’s not up to me to suggest an alternative. It’s up to the drunk to explain eggsactly why she thinks Indonesia has been a success. Normal people see a hegemonic state that took over lots of geography by force and keeps it by force- not persuasion.

    I’m shocked she wasn’t peddling the ethno line she normally does when she’s sitting alone, angry at the world. You know, it’s a great place because parts were a former Dutch colony. And we know how she peddles that bullshit when she’s down and out.

  39. JC

    USSR,

    What’s the story with Spain and what is your position?

  40. notafan

    Spain’s current minority government and prime minister are slightly to the right of centre, Podemos and the other socialists could not agree about forming government.

    As for Catalan you can bet the people demanding seccession are not the ones paying the taxes, they just think they are entitled to more free stuff and hate seeing ‘their’ money being spent elsewhere in Spain.

    Just a few weeks ago there was a terror attack in Barcelona, in part because of the local mayor’s pandering to jihadis.

    Anyone painting this as a region attempting to free itself from the shackles of Communism is either a dumb dumb or a deliberate twister of reality.

    Catalan is a region of immigrants and making this about patriotism is a veneer, no-one outside the pueblos speaks the local lingo and I doubt the majority can claim more than three four generations of local heritage.

    It was the heartland of the scum Republicans whose first act was to set every church in Barcelona on fire in 1936 then to systemically murder over 500 religious including the hostage Archbishop who was shot in the back on a forced march into France when the war was lost.

    Highly industrialized land, the nominal GDP of Catalonia in 2014 was €200 billion (the highest of Spain)[78] and the per capita GDP was €27,000 ($30,000), behind Madrid (autonomous community) (€31,000), the Basque Country (€30,000), and Navarre (€28,000).[79] In that year, the GDP growth was 1.4%.[79] In the last years there has been a negative net relocation rate of companies based in Catalonia moving to other autonomous communities of Spain. In 2014 Calalonia lost 987 companies to other parts of Spain (mainly Madrid), getting 602 new ones from the rest of the country

    You can bet your boots a separate Catalan will see a massive flight of capital and loss of tourism, and then wont the socialist rabble cry.

    “I want to call on everyone here to stand with us and to vote ‘yes’,” said Zuhair Altayeb, who fled Syria in 2011 and has Spanish nationality by marriage.

    And you can bet it will be the first Spanish region to fall in the re re conquista.


    Catalan woo immigrants in quest to split from Spain

  41. Snoopy

    Russian Today Bot Srr won’t rebuke North Korea and backs Kremlin orchestrated campaign to break up Spain. Very telling.

    So does Fisky.

  42. JC

    So does Fisky.

    Fisk works at the Kremlin troll farm like USSR and Old Ozzie?

  43. ssr

    Nick
    #2512270, posted on October 2, 2017 at 10:37 am

    But don’t get me wrong. I am no fan of the NRL, who like everyone but dyed in the wool Stormers, has treated this truly legendary club, abominably.

    They were proven cheats, funded exorbitantly by News Ltd.

    Murdoch management set them up for a test of fire*, and they came through with flying colours – unlike all the actual, horrible, ruthless, bloody, violent cheating clubs that also got busted, but didn’t pay Storm’s penalties, and still crumbled in a heap.

    But do keep up your Storm hating. Like Trump hating, Yes Voting and Turnbull backing, it helps us to keep sorting the shit from the sugar.

    * you people really have no idea of how actual movers and shakers test, try and deploy their people for the big battles with enduring consequences, do you.

  44. Faye

    “The Liberals are doomed, yet Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull still radiates a confidence that’s freaky, if not delusional.”
    Beautifully put by Andrew Bolt.

  45. Marcus Classis

    Johanna:

    I refer readers to the extraordinary political achievement of the nation of Indonesia. How they managed to create and maintain that polity is an absolute marvel. And yes, a lot of it is not pretty. However, the alternative is so awful it is difficult to contemplate.

    True. A breakup of Indonesia is the Australian strategic nightmare. There would be at least a dozen separate states, all weak, most wracked by communal violence, and ranging from full-on sharia law in Aceh to a Hindu Balinese statelet in the Flores Chain to the Christian Moluccas and animist West Papua. Every regional power from Iran to China would have a finger in the pie.

    Indonesia is the Javanese Empire. it’s not pretty. It’s just infinitely better than a sort of archipelagic Balkans.

  46. Snoopy

    Fisk works at the Kremlin troll farm like USSR and Old Ozzie?

    Where do you think the vodka comes from?

  47. Nick

    Murdoch management set them up for a test of fire*, and they came through with flying colours – unlike all the actual, horrible, ruthless, bloody, violent cheating clubs that also got busted, but didn’t pay Storm’s penalties, and still crumbled in a heap.

    You’re hilarious SSR

    Following claims by a whistleblower that the club was keeping a second set of books, the NRL conducted an investigation in late 2009 and early 2010. After initially denying the claims, Storm officials confessed on 22 April 2010 that the club had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap for the last five years by running a well-organized dual contract and bookkeeping system which left the NRL ignorant of $3.78 million in payments made to players outside of the salary cap, including $303,000 in 2006, $459,000 in 2007, $957,000 in 2008, $1.021 million in 2009 and $1.04 million in 2010.

  48. Joe

    Normal people see a hegemonic state that took over lots of geography by force and keeps it by force- not persuasion.

    Pretty much like the British Empire and it’s resulting components the countries of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, Pakistan and the USA.

  49. Fergus

    ABC supporting Nationalists (in Catalonia).
    N Q’ld here’s your opportunity (but think vewy,vewy carefully, do you have enough taxpayers to gouge?).

  50. Roger

    nota @ 10:45am

    As I suspected…but it would still be fun watching the EU try to keep both Spain and Catalan on board.

  51. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Fisk works at the Kremlin troll farm like USSR and Old Ozzie?

    What’s the pay like? Can anyone sign up?

  52. Tim Neilson

    In 2014 Calalonia lost 987 companies to other parts of Spain (mainly Madrid)

    Whenever I see a capital city doing well at the expense of its regions, I have a sneaking suspicion that it may not be only pure market forces at work.

  53. JC

    Who thinks Bali couldn’t flourish as a nation on its own? I’m not suggesting a total breakup of Indon, but a smaller Indon mostly set up along ethnic line would be better.

    To suggest Indonesia has been a success though could only come from the keyboard of a plagiarist and a loudmouth drunk.

    Furthermore there seems to be some confusion here. What suits Australia in geopolitical terms doesn’t mean it’s the optimum set up for the people living under Idon rule.

  54. Stimpson J. Cat

    Catalan independence is being pushed by the Kremlin. It would be a disaster for Spain and NATO.

    It is a Commie plot assisted by Darth Soros.
    Everyone knows this.

  55. Top Ender

    Anyone who wants to understand the New Guinea campaigns in WWII should check out Dr Peter Williams’ book The Kokoda Campaign 1942: Myth and Reality.

    An excellent read and very well researched. He takes on myths such as the popular one that Australians were always outnumbered yet triumphed against Japanese forces.

  56. Tim Neilson

    Normal people see a hegemonic state that took over lots of geography by force and keeps it by force– not persuasion.

    Pretty much like the British Empire and it’s resulting components the countries of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, Pakistan and the USA.

    That’s exactly right, which is why the Brigade of Guards are on rotating deployment to suppress sedition here in Melbourne.

  57. ssr

    Ha!

    JC
    #2512279, posted on October 2, 2017 at 10:43 am

    USSR,

    What’s the story with Spain and what is your position?

    Why do you ask questions of real people who you perpetually lie to and about, right from the very false name you insist on addressing them by?

    Don’t you think this classic little cat, narrative CONtrolling slight of hand has become rather heavy handed and too obvious to keep bothering with?

  58. Sparkx

    Over at the paywallian Catherine McGregor defriends Tony Abbott over same-sex marriage.
    Comments are running hot against the bloke in a dress.
    If paywalled search ‘impossible for us to be friends’ in google news.

  59. JC

    More on Timor.

    Amnesty International estimated that one third of East Timor’s population, or 200,000 in total, died from military action, starvation and disease from 1975 to 1999. In 1979 the US Agency for International Development estimated that 300,000 East Timorese had been moved into camps controlled by Indonesian armed forces.

  60. Roger

    Furthermore there seems to be some confusion here. What suits Australia in geopolitical terms doesn’t mean it’s the optimum set up for the people living under Idon rule.

    I don’t think there’s any confusion about that, JC, just a bit of realpolitik.

    Besides which, as ugly as life in Indon can be for its minorities, there’s no guarantee revolutions or secessions would make it better; probably make it worse, actually.

  61. Marcus Classis

    Joe
    #2512291, posted on October 2, 2017 at 10:55 am
    Normal people see a hegemonic state that took over lots of geography by force and keeps it by force- not persuasion.

    Pretty much like the British Empire and it’s resulting components the countries of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, Pakistan and the USA.

    Not quite, Joe. British rule in their second Empire was extremely light. After Lord Durham’s report on the revolt of lower Canada in 1838 they moved to a policy of responsible government. If you could govern yourself responsibly and accountably according to British standards of local governance then the British walked away, removing garrisons etc. Obviously, the Dominions developed into independent nations in free association with the British Empire because they were settler societies of ‘oversea Britons’ as the 19th century term was.
    Outer Bongchai-land West had no ability to do ‘responsible government’, but even there the Brits ruled lightly, providing basic services and trying to educate enough locals so that responsible government would eventually happen. In colonial possessions where there had been a high level of civilisation (Ceylon for example), Dominion status was being considered by the 1930s. The war trashed those plans. The economic and strategic benefits of Dominions remaining within the Empire were enormous, and mutual.

  62. Roger

    Over at the paywallian Catherine McGregor defriends Tony Abbott over same-sex marriage.

    He did that on The Dumb on Friday too over comments Abbott made linking trans people to the ss”m” push.

    Hell hath no fury…

  63. notafan

    Whenever I see a capital city doing well at the expense of its regions, I have a sneaking suspicion that it may not be only pure market forces at work.

    I will have to look more closely but I suspect it will be in the financial sector, and we all know Banks are Bad! and the first target of the progressive left.

    Spain’s national public debt in 2016 was priced at roughly $1.18 trillion, according to central bank statistics. Meanwhile, Catalonia has amassed one of the largest public debts of Spain’s regions, at roughly 72.2 billion euros ($86.9 billion) in 2016. Around 6 billion euros of this is for long-term securities that have been issued and the rest being various loans from different institutions.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/21/heres-how-bad-economically-a-spain-catalonia-split-could-really-be.html bad for everyone

  64. JC

    Roger

    Our military was set up and operates (theoretically these days) to protect us from outside threats.

    Indon’s military was set up and is used to subjugate the population. It’s an ugly country/political system built on hate and corruption.. If people consider this shithole to be a success, I’d love to see what failure looks like.

  65. candy

    Comments are running hot against the bloke in a dress.

    Ms McGregor seems a nice lady (chap). TA is out of favour so I guess she just drops him as a friend to keep in with the SSM progressive crowd.

    Some people are like that. None of Arky’s loyalty.

  66. notafan

    and more

    No doubt Spain would impose tariffs on Catalan goods entering Spain

    Banks in Catalonia would relocate their headquarters to Spain, he added, which would create “brutal uncertainty” in the region. The economy minister said that the Catalan currency would be worth 30 to 50 per cent less than the euro

    Catalonia’s GDP could fall 30% after independence, minister warns

  67. Infidel Tiger

    Indonesia keeps 220,000,000 lunatics spread over 18,000 islands in relative peace and food every day.

    That’s amazing.

    We better pray they keep doing that.

  68. notafan

    It should be no surprise that Catalonia and California are ‘sister states’.

  69. Marcus Classis

    Roger
    #2512306, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:08 am

    just a bit of realpolitik.

    Besides which, as ugly as life in Indon can be for its minorities, there’s no guarantee revolutions or secessions would make it better; probably make it worse, actually.

    Correct.

    Life in Yugoslavia was not great.

    When it broke up life got much worse real fast and there were rivers of blood flowing. Life in the wreckage is still not great for most, and is worse for the rest.

    Life in Indonesia is not great. Life in a post-Indonesian breakup would be nightmarish. And on top of that, we would have to garrison a lot of it and maintain peace over much more. West Papua, West Timor, the Flores to and including Bali, Ambon and the Moluccas at the very least, that’s just to stop a refugee tidal wave. India would be very interested in Bali… God what a mess.

    We could do it though. You’d need conscription and 5%+ of GDP spent on the military, though.

    SJWs, leftards and strategic cretins might want Indonesia to break up, but no-one with more than half a brain does.

  70. JC

    Good blog piece on Indonesia.

    For me now anyone who describes themselves as Indonesian is someone at best to be avoided, at worst despised. I do not mean this in the Q: “Where are you from / what is your nationality?” A: “Indonesia(n)” context; I mean it from the point of cultural identity. I have no issue with people who would say “Balinese”,

    “Javanese”, “Sumatran”, etc. and could not as I have friends from each of these islands, but with rather with people who consider their culture to be Indonesian. This is because for me Indonesia absolutely is an unlawful, even illegal state built on hate and jealousy, riddled with corruption from the top (president) down. Indonesia routinely commits institutional civil and rights abuse including unwarranted cold blooded murder, uses its armed forces solely to suppress the people (which is why historically Indonesia’s armed forces are militarily inept) while the wealth divide is one of the greatest in the world (the tiny minority of rich are stinking rich while the masses are impoverished). If Indonesian is a worthy culture, then I am the King of Bali !

    http://www.nasty-bali.org/balinese-history.html

    Brutal and corrupt.

  71. Snoopy

    I went to Jayapura in Irian Jaya, as it was then, in 1978. The contrast with Wewak which I had just left was disorienting. Wewak was familiar, very much like an FNQ town, but with the racial mix inverted. As I was soon to realise, Jayapura was just a typical Indonesian city. There were some Papuans, but they were very much in a minority. I was sought out by some Papuan university students who were keen to tell me how much they were suffering under the Indonesians.

    Sorong on the birds head of New Guinea appeared to be completely populated by Indonesian. Even the wharf labourers were all Indonesians. A town on an island off Sorong was totally Indonesian and had the appearance of having been there for a long time.

    I doubt an independent West Irian was ever viable, but it is now a dream which time has past by, in my opinion.

  72. lotocoti

    It’s all so confusing.
    I thought Franco’s Nationalists launched a coup (in part) to prevent the break up of Spain.
    Catalonia backed the Madrid Republicans because of a promise of independence.
    Which disappeared when the ComIntern sunk its claws into the Republican government.
    The Nationalists won and crushed Catalan independence.
    The caudillo carked it and Spain went Republican, more or less.
    And now this.
    Have the Franquists returned?
    The Falange and AntiFa merged?

  73. Atoms for Peace

    I love the cultish Facebook defriending option. Bit like some of the exclusive religions out there…..

  74. ssr

    THE UNSPOKEN BIOLOGY OF CULTURE
    Stefan Molyneux
    Oct 1, 2017
    While it is commonly understood that various personality traits are largely genetic – many are unwilling to examine how this influences culture and sexual market value. Stefan Molyneux puts the biological nature of culture in perspective and how it ultimately leads to the spread of ideas in the sexual marketplace.

  75. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2512313, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:17 am

    Indonesia keeps 220,000,000 lunatics spread over 18,000 islands in relative peace and food every day.

    That’s amazing.

    We better pray they keep doing that.

    Dude, you’re constantly complaining about living under the oppression of eastern rule. Now you’re nationalist? 🙂

  76. Atoms for Peace

    If it wasn’t for Bali, who would visit Indo?

  77. Infidel Tiger

    WA seceding is different. We are living under a communist tyranny.

  78. calli

    I highly recommend a trip out to Bomana

    The one at Lae is beautiful too. Row upon row of white headstones, shaded by vast African tulip trees. A soft breeze, and scarlet petals descend onto the well tended grass beneath. In their numbers, they look like pools of blood, silently marking each sacrifice.

  79. BrettW

    Reposting as thread closed. Any Cats at the NRL final ?

    Hadley just played “When a man loves a woman”. Co-incidence ?

    BrettW
    #2512222, posted on October 2, 2017 at 9:44 am
    Hadley just mentioned NRL approached Taylor Swift and that John Farnham had said was available.

    From comments have seen the Yes side taking Maclemore’s performance as a win. The crowd nearest the stage were obviously his demographic and Yes supporters and making equality signs. It would appear favourable commentary from some TV types is based on observing this selected audience around Macklemore. They did not represent your average NRL fan.

    Not seen anything to indicate what the great majority of the crowd in the seats did or thought.

  80. stackja

    A little-known fact about the mighty luxury vessel the “Queen Mary” is that she was involved in an horrendous accident in WW II which claimed nearly 330 lives.

    On a near perfect afternoon on 2nd October, 1942 the troopship carrying 15,000 US troops, was off the Irish coast.

    No survivor came out unscathed but above all others, Illingworth had to live with the memory of leaving British sailors to fight for their lives in the ocean.

    But when asked at the first hearing if he felt Illingworth had made the right decision, the captain of the “Curacoa” said, “I would say, yes”. The “Queen Mary” continued as a troopship until 11th August, 1945. The vessel is now a floating attraction at Long Beach, California.

    Naval Historical Society of Australia Inc.

  81. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders finale – OK, so I can’t tell the Swans from the Crows… Thanks to Shane Wright for having a chat. You can Google “Aya Hijazi” to see who I was referring to – I don’t think her release from an Egyptian jail got any mention in the Oz media – can’t have any good news on Trump reaching the plebs, can we? Mark Kenny declined this time…

    https://youtu.be/3hFaKqVHl0k

  82. JC

    Jeez, I thought Australians don’t know what falling real estate prices look like.

    Brisbane apartment owners face a potential $4 billion drop in property values over the next three years in the face of oversupply and a falling market.

    Amid concern from the ­Reserve Bank and major banks, BIS Oxford Economics has tipped a drop in the city’s median unit price of 7 per cent to 2020, taking the median price of a Brisbane unit from $392,500 to $365,025 in today’s terms.

    BIS Oxford Economics residential property manager Angie Zigomanis said while this was a worst-case scenario where all sales fell from current pricing, newer Brisbane units were expected to lose value in the short term.

    “Anyone who has bought off the plan now is unlikely to see a gain at all in the three years,” he said. “Those losses are bigger when you take into account the stamp duty on the purchases as well. For a lot of purchasers it means their equity has dissipated.”

    Almost a quarter of Brisbane apartments lost money in the first three months of the year, up from about 18 per cent of sales making a loss mid-last year. Across Brisbane each loss-making sale, including homes, wiped off an average $27,000.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/brisbane-property-owners-lose-as-prices-fall/news-story/a4f256d3170235823b81f9394c5c3f79

  83. miltonf

    This transformation happened in a relatively short timeframe – about 20 years, I reckon. It is the takeover by SJWs of the bureaucracy in action. It is a major reason why child protection services don’t work. If they are not filling out useless forms, they are being corralled by hippie-inspired policies from above.

    So is that the last 20 years Joanna? So the LNP would have been in power most of that time and they just allowed it to happen. Seems to me that back in the Menzies era the CPS was fairly competent.

  84. Atoms for Peace

    Do Arabic curses translate to most cultures from that area. I’m learning some so that I can be multicultural.

  85. notafan

    PVO tries to move beyond But fair! Love is Love! Human right! Equality! but fails miserably.

    Still, it’s always nice to receive some crumbs from the master’s table so that we intellectually impoverished ‘no’ voters have something to chew on. One crumb that he has thrown us is actually a gratuitous insult: our apparent inconsistency in daring to oppose the secular juggernaut of same-sex marriage. Van Onselen declares: “Shouldn’t a religious baker who doesn’t want to make a cake for a gay wedding be consistent and also refuse to do so for a pair of fornicators?”


    Same sex marriage and pvo and his army of straw men

  86. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Universities are full of the same sorts of bureaucratic SJW form-filling nonsense mentioned above for the Public Service. It starts in the Chancelleries, run by leftish VC’s, and cascades down from there. Change at the top is the only way to change this culture but as everywhere in the Gramscian take-over, turfing out the entrenched left is hard to do, as mostly-left academics run the selection committee shows. Academia and being a Departmental Head drove me nuts; I was so glad to leave it behind me.

    ———————–

    To suggest Indonesia has been a success though could only come from the keyboard of a plagiarist and a loudmouth drunk.

    Voting ‘yes’ are you, JC? They specialize in unwarranted and unnecessary abuse of fair comment.

    Indonesia is the world’s most populous Muslim nation and is also composed mainly of islands. Fragmentation of it would cause many problems, think Aceh and friends, so the case is hardly cut and dried. True, its history is vicious, as many histories are.

    Bali as and independent Hindu nation, and a unified and independent Melanesian Timor, are all good ideas, but out of time now. The politics and economies of scale are also against them. If the volcano blows in Bali they will need Indonesian help anyway. Realpolitik accepts the world pretty much as it is. Tahiti for instance is going to be stuffed when the French finally stop paying, as they will in the next 30 years. They’ve got declining tourism, not much infrastructure, heavily subsidized Copra (what the French do for peasantries), a few Vanilla beans, and not much else.

  87. notafan

    “Anyone who has bought off the plan now is unlikely to see a gain at all in the three years,” he said. “Those losses are bigger when you take into account the stamp duty on the purchases as well. For a lot of purchasers it means their equity has dissipated.”

    Isn’t that the story in Melbournistan too?

  88. C.L.

    The crowd nearest the stage …

    The crowd nearest the stage at these events is always a vetted exhibition group.

    Had to laugh at this today – in the far left-wing Daily Mail (the weird newspaper that combines upskirting with Gillian Triggs-like social sanctimony) …

    ‘Macklemore made me cry with joy and after that horrific ‘vote no’ ad I cried again’: Channel 9 slammed for airing anti-same sex marriage ad after equality anthem at NRL grand final.

    Note the tenor – they are saying the ad should have been banned.

    Viewers have reacted with anger after Channel 9 aired an anti-same sex marriage ad directly after US rapper Macklemore sang his ode to marriage equality ‘Same Love’ to open the NRL grand final.
    The channel’s decision to air an advertisement for the ‘No’ campaign was met with distaste on Sunday night, with viewers taking to social media in hoards to voice their opposition.
    ‘What a disgusting hate filled vote no ad, whoever made it needs some positivity and love in their life,’ one man said.
    One viewer said she was especially disappointed to see the voter ‘no’ ad considering it followed Macklemore’s performance.
    ‘Macklemore with Same Love, I cried with joy, ad break immediately after showed that horrific ‘it’s okay to vote no’ ad and I cried again,’ one woman said.
    She was not alone.
    ‘Choosing an artist who supports same-sex marriage, then playing the awful ‘no’ ad straight after it. Love still wins,’ another viewer said.

  89. Atoms for Peace

    Just filled in a very straight forward real estate contract.
    The paperwork associated with that was 2.5 cm thick.
    Explanatory blurb from the legal team states that over 20 acts now have impact.. FMD

  90. JC

    You gotta laugh.

    Buckingham Palace was left infuriated with Theresa May’s behaviour after her general election disaster plunged the British Prime Minister into a personal “crisis of confidence”.

    And

    She had to have her make-up redone before she visited the Queen because she had been crying. Aides grew concerned that she might not be able to go on. “She looked tired and I don’t think she was thinking straight,” one said.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/queen-misled-by-broken-british-leader-theresa-may/news-story/182b74e10a7a79c22dbbbb313814807d

  91. C.L.

    She had to have her make-up redone before she visited the Queen because she had been crying.

    This will be repeated when Christopher Pyne loses his seat at the next election.

  92. johanna

    JC
    #2512277, posted on October 2, 2017 at 10:41 am

    I see that JC, master of geopolitics, disapproves of Indonesia.

    I don’t think I’ve ever suggested I’m a master of geo-politics. However it’s quite easy to notice the scribbling of a fat loudmouth drunk who has no idea what she’s talking about making up bullshit to appear as facts.

    However, no doubt in deference to his forthcoming, definitive, book on the issue, he fails to tell us what the alternative might look like. Like your typical Leftist, he takes pot shots but has no alternative other than chaos.

    It’s not up to me to suggest an alternative. It’s up to the drunk to explain eggsactly why she thinks Indonesia has been a success. Normal people see a hegemonic state that took over lots of geography by force and keeps it by force- not persuasion.

    I’m shocked she wasn’t peddling the ethno line she normally does when she’s sitting alone, angry at the world. You know, it’s a great place because parts were a former Dutch colony. And we know how she peddles that bullshit when she’s down and out.

    As usual, JC substitutes abuse for argument. Note the ad hom, he’s never met me, but I am a lazy, fat, drunk.

    Like Antifa and the other usual suspects, JC is all in favour of destruction, while not taking a jot of responsibility for what happens next.

    In this case, what would happen next is a huge archipelago of cranky separatist movements who (wrongly) believe that there is endless wealth out there which they are being denied. Not to mention Cargo Cults.

    The Chicoms and whoever knows who else would pick these disaffected islands like cherries.

    140 million people just up the road, yep, let’s support political instability.

    How many footnotes is your book on why Indonesian separatist movements should be supported going to have, JC?

  93. Explanatory blurb from the legal team states that over 20 acts now have impact.. FMD

    Tell me about it.

    Still with property, it is better to be a vendor than a buyer. Imagine the same sh1t extended to, say, a phone purchase (Coming Soon). Bureaucracy out of control.

  94. In this case, what would happen next is a huge archipelago of cranky separatist movements who (wrongly) believe that there is endless wealth out there which they are being denied. Not to mention Cargo Cults.

    Independence for archipelago of Lakemba! Now!

  95. Senile Old Guy

    That field full of loving Dads and the kids who love them, after the final siren, was the loudest ‘silent protest‘ For Natural Fatherhood anyone could of made, and like everything Storm do, they did it with pure class.

    Great post there srr from one very loyal fan indeed. Well done.

    No, just no. Leave SSM out of sport. It was, and always has been, a victory lap. I have no idea what they players think about SSM, unless they have given their opinions. The NRL has been bashed for having a SSM song performed so let’s not make the situation worse by comments like this. Especially given this:

    ‘Macklemore with Same Love, I cried with joy, ad break immediately after showed that horrific ‘it’s okay to vote no’ ad and I cried again,’ one woman said.
    She was not alone.
    ‘Choosing an artist who supports same-sex marriage, then playing the awful ‘no’ ad straight after it. Love still wins,’ another viewer said.

    This is mindless gesture politics. These idiotic people value sentiment over sense; feeling over thinking.

    Let’s not get into this or add to it.

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Indon’s military was set up and is used to subjugate the population. It’s an ugly country/political system built on hate and corruption.. If people consider this shithole to be a success, I’d love to see what failure looks like.

    Any thoughts on Malaysia, JC?

  97. C.L.

    Malcolm McGregor dumps Tony Abbott:

    [“]Catherine[“] McGregor on Tony Abbott: ‘Impossible for us to be friends’ over trans identity and same-sex marriage
    10:17 AM OLIVIA CAISLEY
    [“]Catherine[“] McGregor has publicly announced the end of a friendship just days after she blasted the former PM for his comments on SSM.

  98. Bruce in WA

    Jeez, I thought Australians don’t know what falling real estate prices look like.

    We certainly do here in WA. Just had our place valued again. We’ve dropped 200k in the last 24 months — despite having spent six figures on renovations. 🙁

  99. C.L.

    Our Nazi country …
    Call for under-21 smokers to be arrested:

    Ban smoking for under-21s: Andrew Forrest

  100. Stimpson J. Cat

    If people consider this shithole to be a success, I’d love to see what failure looks like.

    If you have to choose Corruption over Communism I would choose Corruption every time.

  101. notafan

    You can bet this will be an incentive for capital flight

    Wealth tax is possibly the most unpopular tax among Cataluña’s wealthier residents and property owners. Effectively ‘abolished’ in 2008, it was reinstated in 2011 and been kept in place since. As part of measures to increase tax revenue, wealth tax has been extended again for 2017.

    Non residents pay tax on gross rental income, no deductions allowed, and Cataluna has a higher top marginal tax rate than most other regions of Spain, and their billions of dollars of debt is a pickle too.


    The tax landscape in Cataluna in 2017

  102. C.L.

    I’ve never understood why footballers traipse around the field holding babies after a game nowadays.
    Office workers and labourers don’t do it. They see them when they get home.
    It’s pure vanity.

  103. stackja

    BrettW
    #2512331, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:29 am

    Hadley not a fan of 3AW Mitchell.

  104. Robber Baron

    I worked with a gay guy in academia who despised Chris Pyne. When l pointed out to him that he was a closet gay complete with wife and children in Adelaide and boyfriend in Canberra all he could say is that he wasn’t convinced he was really gay because he was in the liberal party.

    The gays that infest the liberal party will do everything in their power to gain the respect of the gay industrial complex. But its a waste of time, as my gay friend pointed out, Pyne is in the wrong party.

  105. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No, just no. Leave SSM out of sport. It was, and always has been, a victory lap. I have no idea what they players think about SSM, unless they have given their opinions

    I saw the players on the field after the game, and there did seem to be more joyful dads hugging kids than I’ve ever noticed before. But then, I’m not known for watching football of any sort much, just the occasional beginning and end of a game, to let Hairy know I still exist. I’m with srr, in that personally, after all the kerfuffle and the removal of the Fathers’ Day ad, it was just delicious to see men so publicly being dads to their kids.

  106. Bruce in WA

    Twiggy’s just a rank amateur.

    But end game [sic] lies in a proposal that’s already been considered by Queensland and Tasmania – the introduction of life-long bans on the sale of tobacco products to children born after a certain date – which would require the cooperation of all the states.

    Then alcohol, sugar, gambling …

  107. Roger

    140 million people just up the road, yep, let’s support political instability.

    260 000 000, actually.

    A politically unstable Indonesia would change Australia in a way we can’t imagine.

  108. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The gays that infest the liberal party will do everything in their power to gain the respect of the gay industrial complex. But its a waste of time, as my gay friend pointed out, Pyne is in the wrong party.

    I was quite impressed with the gay guy on Outsiders yesterday expressing his views that marriage is for a man and a woman to make children (as he had done non-maritally with the Lezzo next door). Shows that sensible arrangements can be made for gays and children, even if not optimal, and that mostly we should encourage people to be mums and dads in normal marriages. Delighted to hear he has joined the Australian Conservatives. 🙂

  109. ssr

    🙄 … and you are a disingenuous idiot Nic –

    Nick
    #2512290, posted on October 2, 2017 at 10:55 am
    Murdoch management set them up for a test of fire*, and they came through with flying colours – unlike all the actual, horrible, ruthless, bloody, violent cheating clubs that also got busted, but didn’t pay Storm’s penalties, and still crumbled in a heap.

    You’re hilarious SSR

    Following claims by a whistleblower that the club was keeping a second set of books, the NRL conducted an investigation in late 2009 and early 2010. After initially denying the claims, Storm officials confessed on 22 April 2010 that the club had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap for the last five years by running a well-organized dual contract and bookkeeping system which left the NRL ignorant of $3.78 million in payments made to players outside of the salary cap, including $303,000 in 2006, $459,000 in 2007, $957,000 in 2008, $1.021 million in 2009 and $1.04 million in 2010.

    And that’s not even even counting all the clubs salary cap breaches and other cheating that everyone turned a blind eye to throughout the League, as everything was throw at and against Storm to try to make them fail.

    FFS! They couldn’t even get positive news coverage in Murdochs own Victorian papers when they were trouncing the rest of League, but instead of letting that crush them, it just built their focus, determination and resilience … it was like real boot camp, where in the beginning you want to kill your commander, and at the end of it, you will kill and die for him.

    Melbourne Storm are more than mere Rugby League Club. They’ve been a life lesson on how to succeed against all odds, even when your own house fails you and you have to reset the foundations.

  110. Boambee John

    Top Ender
    #2512300, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:03 am
    Top Ender
    #2512300, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:03 am
    Anyone who wants to understand the New Guinea campaigns in WWII should check out Dr Peter Williams’ book The Kokoda Campaign 1942: Myth and Reality.

    Also read To Kokoda by Nicholas Anderson for a different perspective.

    For a different perspective on Peter W’s work on day one at Anzac, The Battle of Anzac Ridge, see The Landing at Anzac by Chris Roberts.

  111. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ps. Like the charming Ross, this man was ex-Liberal Party. He sees being gay as only part of his character, and works and is well liked in his local community. Way to go.

  112. Senile Old Guy

    )ne man claimed the vote no ad ‘undid’ Macklemore’s message. ‘A great song followed by a no ad. Way to undo the good NRL,’ he said. One viewer said ‘saw that sh**** ad again’ while another slammed the campaign for claiming ‘no’ voters were victimised in the debate.

    Well done, NRL. You have politicised the Grand Final and now most media reports are about this SSM crap instead of the Storm.

    ‘No campaigns first ad denigrates people, their families and their children. Second ad they claim to be victims,’ one man said.

    First, you could say exactly the same, if not more, about the “yes” campaign. And, so far, the majority of people abused are in the “no” camp.

    He accused the no campaign of ‘hypocrisy’.

    The man is unnamed and why is hypocrisy in quotes?

    Macklemore closed his pregame show with the hit on Sunday to the deafening cheers of the crowd. Lit up phone screens could be seen being waved throughout ANZ Stadium in an overwhelming show of support for the song and Macklemore’s campaign.

    Yeah, surprise.

    Rainbow-coloured fireworks were launched at the completion of the song with cheers echoing throughout the arena in a strong showing of equality.

    The fireworks were prepared before the performance so this whole event was stage managed cheering for SSM.

    Social media went into a frenzy during the song, with celebrities praising the rapper for the performance.

    Yawn.

    ‘Here’s my bit of free speech – was great and I hope the precious snowflakes who wanted him censored survived those sweet tunes,’ Ben Fordham said.

    No-one publicly called for him to be censored. Abbott said he should not sing a song for SSM while Australia was having a — whatever it is — on SSM. “Here’s my bit of free speech”: Ben Fordham is a twit.

  113. Snoopy

    The crowd nearest the stage at these events is always a vetted exhibition group.

    Ah, so that’s who got the free tickets?

  114. Robber Baron

    Andrew Forrest would cut a dapper figure in a 1936 Munich conference explaining the virtues of being rich and using goverment to implement your ideology.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    [“]Catherine[“] McGregor on Tony Abbott: ‘Impossible for us to be friends’ over trans identity and same-sex marriage
    10:17 AM OLIVIA CAISLEY
    [“]Catherine[“] McGregor has publicly announced the end of a friendship just days after she blasted the former PM for his comments on SSM.

    The one part of the transition that has been a success is that Mal McGregor is a complete bitch

  116. Des Deskperson

    ‘Seems to me that back in the Menzies era the CPS was fairly competent.’

    I’ve seen no evidence that the CPS/APS was ever ‘competent’, which I take to mean able to efficiently and effectively manage resources – including people – to get things done, as opposed simply to keeping things ticking over. .

    There are many intelligent, committed and independent thinking people at señor levels in the APS, but both them and their less able colleagues are for the most part appallingly bad managers. Few, for example, are able to deal with non-performers – the key issue that has always faced the APS – but from what I can understand, there has been at least a slight improvement here since the Menzies era.

    Managements skills are not valued in the APS. nor, I suspect, in any other organisation that can always rely on money extorted from the taxpayer.

  117. johanna

    Australian politicians have had it soft. They whine about how hard their jobs are.

    They are fucking amateurs.

    Imagine trying to run India, with a billion people and hundreds of thousands of customs and religious beliefs.

    Or Indonesia, a vast archipelago, ditto.

    Tell you what, the Chief Minister of an Indian or Indonesian state equivalent would run rings around these mediocrities.

  118. Van Onselen declares: “Shouldn’t a religious baker who doesn’t want to make a cake for a gay wedding be consistent and also refuse to do so for a pair of fornicators?”

    PVO really is a very stupid man. Apparently, he cannot see the difference between participating in a sinful event, and simply providing a cake for sinners. He would have a point if the baker was providing a cake for a swinger’s party.

  119. Snoopy

    The Menzies era seems, to an outsider, like a golden era for the APS simply because it did far less back then.

  120. JC

    As usual, JC substitutes abuse for argument. Note the ad hom, he’s never met me, but I am a lazy, fat, drunk.

    I’m pretty much repeating Rabz’ description after Fatso randomly attacked him for absolutely reason other than (her) being drunk and lonely. It’s when she attacks people.

    I trust his judgement.

    One point I may have added though. Lazy… hardworking/APS doesn’t seem to fit together.

    Like Antifa and the other usual suspects, JC is all in favour of destruction, while not taking a jot of responsibility for what happens next.

    A rhetorical flourish there perhaps? LOL

    140 million people just up the road, yep, let’s support political instability.

    Let’s restate what she said, as her memory conveniently fails when caught out. She described Indonesia as a success. Here:

    I refer readers to the extraordinary political achievement of the nation of Indonesia. How they managed to create and maintain that polity is an absolute marvel

    It’s an entirely different proposition to what’s best suits Australia in harsh and raw strategic terms. A move in the goal posts when one’s argument doesn’t work.

    How many footnotes is your book on why Indonesian separatist movements should be supported going to have, JC?

    We’re waiting for Fatso’s book, successfully arguing her assertion that Indonesia is a raving success.

  121. Atoms for Peace

    With professional sports trashing their brands by virtue signalling, it’s going to be interesting watching them trying to flog their product to the networks. Viewers are deserting sports…

  122. Roger

    Well done, NRL. You have politicised the Grand Final and now most media reports are about this SSM crap instead of the Storm.

    Mission accomplished, then.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s pure vanity.

    Could be. I watched a bullfight in Spain. Dragged there by Da Hairy Irish Ape. Six bulls were slaughtered in a nice afternoon’s entertainment for a huge peanut and choc-ice eating crowd including families. The prime and most famous bullfighter, very dexterous and with beautiful dark curls framing his face, finished off his final bull and walked in grand style, bowing to the crowd, towards the exit of the ring, to be greeted halfway there by his two little children running out to him, whom he carried from the arena in his arms, smiling and every bit the proud father having done a good day’s manly work. In some ways he had seemed quite effeminate out there prancing around, but not with cold steel in his hand. A very ancient tradition, fighting the bull, straight from the cave paintings of Europe, and the nearest thing to the crowd in the Roman gladiatorial arena you are likely to ever see these days.

  124. “Hi. I’m Kevin and I’m here to help.”

    “Hi. I’m Mal and I’m here to fsck things up.”

    Let’s make Australia really bad again!

    I want kev back.

  125. JC

    Australian politicians have had it soft. They whine about how hard their jobs are.

    They are fucking amateurs.

    Imagine trying to run India, with a billion people and hundreds of thousands of customs and religious beliefs.

    Or Indonesia, a vast archipelago, ditto.

    Tell you what, the Chief Minister of an Indian or Indonesian state equivalent would run rings around these mediocrities.

    Yep. True that or another rhetorical flourish of bullshit? You be the judge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

  126. Marcus Classis

    Johanna:

    As usual, JC substitutes abuse for argument. Note the ad hom, he’s never met me, but I am a lazy, fat, drunk.

    Like Antifa and the other usual suspects, JC is all in favour of destruction, while not taking a jot of responsibility for what happens next.

    Scroll past him like I do, Johanna. He’s a doxxing weasel. He doxxed Brian of Moorabbin and wrote a letter to his employer which got him in to strife.

    That’s the sort of thing he is.

    Nothing he says on any subject is actually worth a jot as he’s apparently just shown again.

    The rest of his posts used to be ones where he boasts of his money. Probably still are for all I know.

    Save yourself the trouble and just scroll past. Life’s too short to engage in arguments with idiots.

  127. stackja

    Des Deskperson
    #2512376, posted on October 2, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Shedden, Sir Frederick Geoffrey (1893–1971)
    by David Horner
    This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 16, (MUP), 2002

    In 1948-49 Shedden spent time dealing with a leak of documents to the Soviet Union and the consequent reduction in the flow of classified information from the United States of America. He helped to form the Australian Security Intelligence Organization in March 1949, and later that year travelled to the U.S.A. and Britain in an effort to restore access to intelligence material. Initially, he was unsuccessful. American information only began to be released in December, after Menzies was elected prime minister.

    Wheeler, Sir Frederick Henry (1914–1994)

    by John Farquharson

    Sir Frederick Henry Wheeler was once described as a “legendary public servant and a master of guerrilla warfare in the bureaucracy.”

    He was also one of Canberra’s “seven dwarfs” — Allen Brown, H. C. “Nugget” Coombs, John Crawford, Harry Bland, Dick Randall and Roland Wilson — that remarkable group of top public servants who exercised enormous influence on policy formulation through the Menzies-Holt era of the 1950s and 1960s.

  128. stackja

    Atoms for Peace
    #2512383, posted on October 2, 2017 at 12:07 pm
    With professional sports trashing their brands by virtue signalling, it’s going to be interesting watching them trying to flog their product to the networks. Viewers are deserting sports…

    RICHMOND WON THEIR AFL GRAND FINAL IN 37 YEARS, BUT NOBODY IN THE HARBOUR CITY CARED.
    Amy Price, The Courier-Mail
    October 2, 2017 1:00am
    WHILE a whopping 3.5 million people tuned into Saturday’s AFL grand final coverage on Channel 7, the Adelaide v Richmond final was less popular than last year’s showdown.

    The combined average audience was down almost 14 per cent on last year’s final between the Sydney Swans and Western Bulldogs, which amassed four million viewers and the highest television ratings since Seven took back screening rights in 2007.

  129. Boambee John

    N21604 Private Bertram Franklin Morris was Killed in Action. His sister was named as Next of Kin.

    2276 Bertram Franklin Morris served in tge 2nd AGH in WW I.

  130. johanna

    Heh, just put on an old tape, and it’s “Goodbye Tiger.” by Richard Clapton.

    I guess it was a safe bet, back in the day.

  131. JC

    Scroll past him like I do, Johanna. He’s a doxxing weasel. He doxxed Brian of Moorabbin and wrote a letter to his employer which got him in to strife.

    Untrue. Lies from a plagiarist scumbag.

    The worst lie being that he scrolls past. LOL.

    I was corrected. I thought Mark L Canberra (aka Marcus Classis) had plagiarized one thread piece. I was told it was at least three. This suggests a chronic personality disorder.

    As for writing to people, Mark L Canberra wrote to the blog owner complaining that I was calling him a plagiarist and that he was getting a hard time. Little Canberra whiner.

    The rest of his posts used to be ones where he boasts of his money.

    Whatever money I have wasn’t taken from the taxpayer. Moreover, it would be interesting to look back and see what exactly Mark L Canberra stole pretending was his own while taking taxpayer money.

    Here’s one example of what he stole, pretending it was his own.

  132. C.L.

    … marriage is for a man and a woman to make children …

    That’s not what marriage is for, exhaustively. It irks me when marriage supporters define marriage thus because they are immediately bested (in contemporary Q&A applause terms, anyway) by people citing single mothers, heroic widows, homosexual IVF-ers and lesbian adopters.

    The purpose of marriage is twofold: it is unitive and procreative. Even where procreation is not possible for particular couples, their union represents the relationship between Christ and His people, an institution meant to cultivate the holiness of the spouses – where the sexuality undergirding that relationship is complimentary according to the Creator’s designs. Nor is the procreative vocation rendered defunct by infertility; by giving those male and female energies and desires to others in service and in charity (including by adoption – a privilege which should be exclusively theirs by law) – they make fruitful their union in a beautiful, healing and holy way.

    Only a man and a woman can be married.

  133. Roger

    Speaking of virtue signalling sports administrators, there was a puff piece in the online press on the weekend about the “self-sacrificing” Gillon Maclachlan who gave his and his wife’s GF tickets to a Richmond supporter he met who couldn’t get tickets. “Don’t worry about me, I’ll bluff my way in” Maclachlan reportedly told the teary eyed Tigers’ supporter.

    He then made sure the story got in the press.

    What a top bloke.

  134. C.L.

    Imagine trying to run India, with a billion people and hundreds of thousands of customs and religious beliefs.

    From what I can see, the Indians aren’t doing that great a job, frankly.

  135. Atoms for Peace

    Too many ghosts in this country for Kevni to come back.

  136. ‘Here’s my bit of free speech – was great and I hope the precious snowflakes who wanted him censored survived those sweet tunes,’ Ben Fordham said.

    I remember this moron from the Today Show. It’s remarkable how these upper middle class jokers from Riverview try attempt to pass themselves off as knockabout working-class larrikins. Yes, yes, the cockhead from 2GB when to school at St Ignatius’s. They have it coming.

  137. C.L.

    Well done, NRL. You have politicised the Grand Final and now most media reports are about this SSM crap instead of the Storm.

    The NRL couldn’t give a single shit about The Storm.
    Most media reports are about this SSM crap instead of the latest group sex scandal.
    That was the point.

  138. Atoms for Peace

    The event collisions between wrinkles and bleached teeth produce morning TV.

  139. JC

    Mark L Canberra again

    The rest of his posts used to be ones where he boasts of his money.

    I don’t boast, MarkL Canberra. But sit down as this will hurt. It’s the first time I’ve such a thing, but I do it to upset you. I do have lots of money. I’m actually quite wealthy to the point of not giving a fuck. I can also spend money without caring much about it and more or less do what I like whenever I want.

    I made my money on my own. I didn’t steal it. You on the other hand steal stuff and then pretend it’s yours.

    Eat your heart out, you dishonest plagiarist sack of shit. Hoping it hurts, you envy ridden slob.

  140. Boambee John

    Morris embarked as a reinfiorcement for the 1st Stationary Hospital on 20 March 1915.

  141. johanna

    JC
    #2512382, posted on October 2, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    As usual, JC substitutes abuse for argument. Note the ad hom, he’s never met me, but I am a lazy, fat, drunk.

    I’m pretty much repeating Rabz’ description after Fatso randomly attacked him for absolutely reason other than (her) being drunk and lonely. It’s when she attacks people.

    Which description are you talking about?

    You have described me as an ugly, drunken, fat whore, having never met me.

    Could it be that you are relying on Rabz? Well, well. Internet-transmitted hate.

    No doubt Rabz is spewing his hate for me in the Sydney Cats meetings. He is mustard for Tony Abbott punching people, not that he has ever punched anything more than a pillow himself.

    Oh, well, ya get that. People can make their own assessments. 🙂

  142. Roger

    Most media reports are about this SSM crap instead of the latest group sex scandal.

    Just think that once upon a time rugby league supporters used to look down on soccer as a game for the unmanly.

  143. C.L.

    ‘Here’s my bit of free speech – was great and I hope the precious snowflakes who wanted him censored survived those sweet tunes,’ Ben Fordham said.

    Sweet tunes?
    Wiki tells me Fordham is 41 years old. I doubt he’d heard of Macklemore until last week.
    What a tosspot.

  144. ssr

    Senile Old Guy
    #2512348, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:45 am

    That field full of loving Dads and the kids who love them, after the final siren, was the loudest ‘silent protest‘ For Natural Fatherhood anyone could of made, and like everything Storm do, they did it with pure class.

    Great post there srr from one very loyal fan indeed. Well done.

    No, just no. Leave SSM out of sport. It was, and always has been, a victory lap. I have no idea what they players think about SSM, unless they have given their opinions. The NRL has been bashed for having a SSM song performed so let’s not make the situation worse by comments like this. Especially given this:

    ‘Macklemore with Same Love, I cried with joy, ad break immediately after showed that horrific ‘it’s okay to vote no’ ad and I cried again,’ one woman said.
    She was not alone.
    ‘Choosing an artist who supports same-sex marriage, then playing the awful ‘no’ ad straight after it. Love still wins,’ another viewer said.

    This is mindless gesture politics. These idiotic people value sentiment over sense; feeling over thinking.

    Let’s not get into this or add to it.

    urrgh … so you never watch League?

    The kids rushing up to celebrate with their Dads is not something that started yesterday.

    What stood out yesterday was just how many kids loved their Dads and Dads loved their kids.

    And yes, even the babies, who while they had to be handed to their Dads by their Mums, were obviously comfortable with their Dads and the Mums would have been grateful for a little break from a long day of baby juggling in stressful conditions.

    I don’t know how your family worked before you went senile, but it is normal for kids to want to share in the positive exhilaration of their parents, and normal for Dads to want to share great joy with those they love most.

  145. Boambee John

    Sorry, bad writing on my notes.

    Benjamin Franklin Morris in WW I, still possibly the same man.

  146. John64

    A very odd piece on the Daily Telegraph website about the annual (and excellent) Deniliquin Ute Muster; I’m still trying to work out if it is serious reporting or parody:

    Shocking aftermath: Beer bongs, naked bods and tatts

    Here’s a little sample:

    Among other shocking photos, a man dived naked into wet mud and another held up a sign, which said “Show us ya tits.”

    Just shocking I tells ya – unadulterated debauchery!!

  147. mh

    ‘Here’s my bit of free speech – was great and I hope the precious snowflakes who wanted him censored survived those sweet tunes,’ Ben Fordham said.

    Fordham has absolutely no fucking clue.

  148. Roger;

    140 million people just up the road, yep, let’s support political instability.
    260 000 000, actually.
    A politically unstable Indonesia would change Australia in a way we can’t imagine.

    Do any of our Leftist Intelligentsia have some ideas on how to stop the flood of refugees?
    Apart from machine gunning the boats?

    An unstable Indonesia would be a disaster economically, morally, and socially.

  149. JC

    You have described me as an ugly, drunken, fat whore, having never met me.

    Attention whore, not fat whore. Quite different as she knows.

    Silence from fatso on the countless racist putdowns toward me.

    As for ugly… I honestly can’t ever imagine a good looking woman saying the things she does. Can anyone else.

  150. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Tony Abbott says he loves Savage Garden despite the band’s former lead singer being gay

    Terrible judgement.

  151. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Was srr watching a league game yesterday?

    Whatever he is describing sounds very weird.

  152. ssr

    🙄

    C.L.
    #2512359, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:52 am
    I’ve never understood why footballers traipse around the field holding babies after a game nowadays.
    Office workers and labourers don’t do it. They see them when they get home.
    It’s pure vanity.

    You’re not a father, are you C.L.

    Are you even capable of being humble enough to admit that there is a distinct difference between, “vanity”, and heart bursting pride in new, unique lives you were blessed bringing into the world and being responsible for?

    Funny, but it was only recently when people were sharing those Dads4Kids ads here at the cat, that you approved of Dads showing their joyful connection with their children, but now …………. ahh, we real people will just keep shaking, sifting and sorting.

  153. Snoopy

    Among other shocking photos,

    Shocking? No THIS is shocking. She looks so nice, too.

  154. Tom

    Breaking: Less than five months after appointing her, Hawthorn Football Club has just sacked the GayFL’s first wymmymses CEO, Tracey Gaudry, after “negative feedback from staff”.

  155. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Hawthorn have just sacked their female CEO after only 5 months in the job.

    Apparently hiring someone for having a vag doesn’t always work.

  156. Senile Old Guy

    I don’t know how your family worked before you went senile, but it is normal for kids to want to share in the positive exhilaration of their parents, and normal for Dads to want to share great joy with those they love most.

    No problem with that.

    That field full of loving Dads and the kids who love them, after the final siren, was the loudest ‘silent protest‘ For Natural Fatherhood anyone could of made, and like everything Storm do, they did it with pure class.

    That’s the bit I object to. We have no idea (aside from public statements) what the Storm think, so it is not a “silent protest” about anything. They were celebrating a well earned victory after a year of hard work.

  157. Stimpson J. Cat

    Tony Abbott says he loves Savage Garden despite the band’s former lead singer being gay

    What animal brought Savage Garden into this?

  158. notafan

    A comment from Mark Latham this morning: –
    “NRL paid Macklemore $500,000 for political BS. No wonder Lefties love him: a wealthy anti-Semite. That’s 100 x $5000 not going to jnr clubs”.

  159. notafan

    Also puts player’s earnings into some perspective

    Macklemore, the true believer, for a price.

  160. Given the skill of modern surgeons, I figure I could have a vag fitted to my left side hip.
    Makin’ money on the side.

    (old joke, I know)

  161. ssr

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2512362, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:53 am

    No, just no. Leave SSM out of sport. It was, and always has been, a victory lap. I have no idea what they players think about SSM, unless they have given their opinions

    I saw the players on the field after the game, and there did seem to be more joyful dads hugging kids than I’ve ever noticed before. But then, I’m not known for watching football of any sort much, just the occasional beginning and end of a game, to let Hairy know I still exist. I’m with srr, in that personally, after all the kerfuffle and the removal of the Fathers’ Day ad, it was just delicious to see men so publicly being dads to their kids.

    A lot of very young kids. The sign of a lot of players having families, not only sporting careers. And again, these Dads were obviously no scary strangers to their little Bubs. They had visible, trusting relationships.

    Anyone who’s seen a baby that’s just getting the hang of being ambulatory, light up when Dad comes in sight, knows that what we saw at the end of the NRL GF is what the whole country needs a lot more of.

  162. C.L.

    The purpose of marriage is twofold: it is unitive and procreative. Even where procreation is not possible for particular couples, their union represents the relationship between Christ and His people, an institution meant to cultivate the holiness of the spouses – where the sexuality undergirding that relationship is complimentary according to the Creator’s designs. Nor is the procreative vocation rendered defunct by infertility; by giving those male and female energies and desires to others in service and in charity (including by adoption – a privilege which should be exclusively theirs by law) – they make fruitful their union in a beautiful, healing and holy way.

    Nor, I say – by way of postscript – can this understanding of marriage be held to be quaintly privatistic, over against the needs and wishes of a secular society. The complimentarity and mission of the sexes remains the same, sans religious faith. This, of course, presupposes an acceptance of the following truths: adopted or in vitro created children must only be raised by married heterosexual couples (the absolute best alternative); and 2) allowing gay “marriage” undermines the prestige of real marriage and catastrophically undermines its mission. The phony conservation argument – to wit, that gay “marriage” would strengthen marriage in genere – is a total lie. Gay “marriage” infantilises its contractors, commodifies children and obliterates the hitherto institutionalised understanding of each gender’s particular genius, the way the latter flourish when united and the matchless efficacy for society of that combination.

  163. johanna

    BTW, I’d be interested in getting a new Canberra/Queanbeyan chapter of Cats going.

    No idea how to contact people, but perhaps someone will see this comment. Please contact Sinc if you want to get in touch. He has amy email address.

    I really hope that we can include “Daddy Dave,” who I had the privilege of meeting. Gigantic brain, kind nature. Scared off, gee, wonder why?

  164. Roger

    Shocking? No THIS is shocking. She looks so nice, too.

    And how many years of elite Western education brought her to that conclusion?

  165. notafan

    these Dads were obviously no scary strangers to their little Bubs. They had visible, trusting relationships.

    Is there a point to this because really, this would be a surprise to anyone?

    If you really think this was a extremely subtle Score! for the no campaign I think you are a fool.

  166. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’ve never understood why footballers traipse around the field holding babies after a game nowadays.
    Office workers and labourers don’t do it. They see them when they get home.
    It’s pure vanity.

    No, pure vanity would be holding your child up in front of a mirror.
    You have raised children before I assume?
    Have you seen the Lion King?
    Think of it like that.

  167. Roger

    C.L., that’s worth a stand alone post.

  168. C.L.

    … these Dads were obviously no scary strangers to their little Bubs.

    Why would they be? The players don’t have day jobs and they’re at home most of the time.

  169. egg_

    Given the skill of modern surgeons, I figure I could have a vag fitted to my left side hip.
    Makin’ money on the side.

    (old joke, I know)

    Add boobs and you’d never leave the house?

  170. Zatara

    What was a sixty-one year old doing as an infantry private in harm’s way in PNG in 1942? Did he volunteer or was he just caught up in events? What was his role? Did he die as a result of fighting or was he killed by disease? Who or what was the 55th Infantry Battalion?

    The 55/53 Infantry Battalion was a militia unit in WWII. It deployed to Port Moresby 29 March 1942 where it as used as working parties. In July two companies went to Milne Bay and returned the following month suffering badly from malaria and other tropical diseases.

    Given Pvt Morris’ age and date of death (5 July 1942) it seems likely that he succumbed to illness.

  171. miltonf

    So is Latho still running for the Senate? The LDP seemed an odd choice for him. I’ll still vote for him though.

  172. Fisky

    Looking forward to a celebratory vodka shot or three at thumping 90% Catalan independence vote!

  173. For the militarists:
    Comparison history of Sturmgewehr 44 vs AK47:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWJOJZQCs8
    Shooting the StG 44:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMK5OGEIbwk
    Enjoy…

  174. notafan

    Looking forward to a celebratory vodka shot or three at thumping 90% Catalan independence vote!

    Illegal immigrants get three votes each!

    It’s a democracy, woo hoo.

  175. Roger

    …thumping 90% Catalan independence vote!

    The central government has really scored an own goal.

    Pre-vote polls suggested support running at less than 50%.

    With turnout at 42%, only the passionate braved the threat of violence to go out and vote.

  176. Muddy

    N21604 Bertram Franklin Morris, born 1 August, 1896, West Maitland, NSW. Enlisted 3 May, 1938, Haberfield, NSW. Died 5 July, 1942, 55 Australian Infantry Battalion.

    Just speculation on my part, but seeing as though the Japanese didn’t land at Basabua until the 21st of July ’42, this man must have died either as a result of illness, accident, or perhaps an air raid. Unfortunately his personnel record is not available online.

  177. Thanks C.L for your argument. It has helped put my defence of the No case quite considerably.

  178. Zatara

    Great minds, and googlers, think alike Muddy!

  179. JC

    johanna
    #2512435, posted on October 2, 2017 at 12:57 pm
    BTW, I’d be interested in getting a new Canberra/Queanbeyan chapter of Cats going.

    Lol. The first lot met in secret because they couldn’t stand her.

  180. notafan

    Just speculation on my part, but seeing as though the Japanese didn’t land at Basabua until the 21st of July ’42, this man must have died either as a result of illness, accident, or perhaps an air raid. Unfortunately his personnel record is not available online.

    My neighbour spent three years in PNG with the RAAF. told me snakes were considered a bigger threat than the Japs. would not be at all surprised if tropical disease was the major cause of death in PNG.

    I’d say something about my dad’s experience but won’t risk the wrath of the resident rumplestilkstin.

    Between March 1943 and April 1944, some 1,200 Australians were killed, and an estimated 35,000 Japanese died.

    https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/remembering-war-new-guinea

  181. Lysander

    I’m glad Spaniards are so tolerant having had ssm since 2005.

  182. Boambee John

    Zatara at 1306

    The 55th and 53rd deployed as separate units. They were amalgamated after the Kokoda campaign and served amalgamated at Buna/Sananda.

    See my posts above. Morris is recorded on the Roll of Honour as Killed in Action.

    He is almost certainly the same as Benjamin Franklin Morris who served in WW I. Their shared middle name, Franklin, and similarly named fathers (J Morris for WW I and John Morris for WW II ) suggest this.

  183. JC

    Sure, it’s Salon. But read in between the lines. A likely 5/4 vote leaves the public sector union with much less money to hand over to the Drats. Even then it will be greatly reduced.

    https://www.salon.com/2017/09/29/neil-gorsuch-is-preparing-to-deal-a-deathblow-to-public-unions/

  184. The phony conservation argument – to wit, that gay “marriage” would strengthen marriage in genere – is a total lie. Gay “marriage” infantilises its contractors, commodifies children and obliterates the hitherto institutionalised understanding of each gender’s particular genius, the way the latter flourish when united and the matchless efficacy for society of that combination.

    Indeed. It’s like claiming that the addition of water only strengthens the quality of the whiskey.

  185. johanna

    JC
    #2512298, posted on October 2, 2017 at 11:01 am

    Who thinks Bali couldn’t flourish as a nation on its own? I’m not suggesting a total breakup of Indon, but a smaller Indon mostly set up along ethnic line would be better.

    To suggest Indonesia has been a success though could only come from the keyboard of a plagiarist and a loudmouth drunk.

    Furthermore there seems to be some confusion here. What suits Australia in geopolitical terms doesn’t mean it’s the optimum set up for the people living under Idon rule.

    a plagiarist and a loudmouth drunk.

    I assume that you are keeping up your tradition of playing the man, not the ball.

    Go shave your back, you hairy Arab descendant.

    Meanwhile, who is going to defend Bali if it is invaded? Incense manufacturers? Beach masseurs? Internet stock dealers?

    Thank goodeness that you are not in charge of anything important.

  186. C.L.

    Fisk, not only was the Canadian terrorist a Somali “refugee”; the security services had cause to check him out two years ago. They gave him the all-clear.

  187. Muddy

    5 Jul 42. 1030 [hrs]. Bn area bombed by Japs, formation 21 bombers. The main bombing in areas BN HQ 105047 [map reference code] and H.Q. Coy 105044. Approx. 20 AP bombs being dropped. Casualties 1 killed – Pte. B.F. Morris, 1 Died of Wounds Pte. D.O. McLeod and 3 wounded. Tents and stores were also destroyed. 1037. Another enemy formation dropped bombs just outside Bn area on 7 MILE DROME [Port Moresby].

    Link.

  188. Boambee John

    Muddy

    Killed in an air raid is a possibility.

    I don’t think the 55th served on the Track. The 53rd did, but collapsed and was withdrawn, then the two units were amalgamated.

  189. Muddy

    Lots of snaps this morning!

  190. Boambee John

    Muddy

    Just saw your 1334 post.

  191. ssr

    O.K., now we’re coming to a clearing of a miscommunication, good –

    No problem with that.

    That field full of loving Dads and the kids who love them, after the final siren, was the loudest ‘silent protest‘ For Natural Fatherhood anyone could of made, and like everything Storm do, they did it with pure class.

    That’s the bit I object to. We have no idea (aside from public statements) what the Storm think, so it is not a “silent protest” about anything. They were celebrating a well earned victory after a year of hard work.

    I dubbed it a ‘silent protest’, not Storm, and the class they displayed was them just being who they are, fathers who obviously love their kids. I didn’t see any fake, reluctant posing, but rather a whole bunch of kids comfortable in their father’s very practiced arms.

    It stood out more than usual now, because of all the banning of any images of loving natural fathers, and it stood out as very different to all those, ‘my trans kids‘, and ‘my two dads/mums/etc‘, propaganda pieces being endlessly shoved down our throats.

    It just stood out as something that’s both become unusual, and obviously should be the norm.

    Again, the family culture is a key part of Melbourne Storm, that separated from the hedonistic culture of League worshipping Sydney, they have been able to build as a foundational strength. That sense of not getting caught up in fleeting moments (good or bad), but steadfastly building a solid foundation for future generations to take pride in and further build on.

    Simply, what we all saw after the final siren, was natural, and good. So good, that a lot of people who may not have thought of it before or even been conscious of it then, instinctively knew they also wanted for themselves, and that is a very good thing. 🙂

  192. Boambee John

    If Morris was in Bn HQ or HQ Coy, then possibly a medic (as in WW I) or a clerk given his age.

  193. stackja

    Regarding WW1 soldiers and then WW2

    Brown, Walter Ernest (1885–1942)
    by K. R. White
    This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 7, (MUP), 1979
    Early in 1918 the 20th Battalion fought at Morlancourt and then moved into the Villers-Bretonneux sector; Brown was promoted corporal on 7 April. On 6 July he was with an advance party which took over some newly captured trenches near Accroche Wood and, on being told that a sniper’s post was causing trouble, he located the spot, picked up two Mills bombs and ran towards it under fire. His first bomb fell short, but on reaching the post he knocked one German down with his fist and threatened the others with his remaining grenade; when they surrendered, Brown ordered them back to the Australian lines. He had captured thirteen men, including one officer. He was awarded the Victoria Cross. He remained on the Somme until the Armistice and was wounded in action in August and promoted sergeant on 13 September.

    In June 1940, by giving his age as 40 instead of 54, Brown enlisted in the 2nd A.I.F. His real age and record were soon discovered, and he was promoted lance sergeant and posted to the 2/15th Field Regiment, but he reverted to gunner at his own request. The regiment, part of the ill-fated 8th Division, reached Malaya in August 1941. Brown was last seen on 14 February 1942, the night before the Allied surrender at Singapore. Picking up some grenades he said to his comrades, ‘No surrender for me’, and walked towards the enemy lines. He was presumed to have died while trying to escape on 28 February. He was survived by his wife, a son and a daughter.

  194. Boambee John

    srr

    Have you deliberately changed your tag to ssr, or is that a typo?

  195. C.L.

    Trump’s Wounded Knee Massacre of the NFL was quite brilliant.
    His critics said his intervention only made the kneelers double-down (literally).
    That’s true. However, by spreading as a FU to Trump the take-a-knee movement began to cause major financial damage to individual teams and the league proper.
    Now the NFL is in full retreat.

  196. Lysander

    srr

    Have you deliberately changed your tag to ssr, or is that a typo?

    It’s the real SRR.

  197. thefrolickingmole

    JC

    Im amazed the original “no freeloaders” case was allowed to go ahead.

    The longtime bane of organized labor, 28 states now have “right to work” laws that forbid requiring workers to join or support a union as a condition of employment.

    So you can be barred from employment if you refuse to join a union and fork over money in all the other states?
    How in the name of fuckety fuck did they think that was a good idea?

  198. JC

    I assume that you are keeping up your tradition of playing the man, not the ball.

    Go shave your back, you hairy Arab descendant.

    Meanwhile, who is going to defend Bali if it is invaded? Incense manufacturers? Beach masseurs? Internet stock dealers?

    Thank goodeness that you are not in charge of anything important.

    She’s now directing her comments to me rather than the audience. Angrified or what?

    This started because the fat slob described Indonesia as a “marvel” of success. When asked to defend this ridiculous assertion she began abusing me.

    She’s now making racist comments. You have to ask, if these slob’s genes were so superior, as she thinks they are then why is she sitting all alone, in a drunken state heaping abuse at people over the web when it’s shown her comments are stupid.

  199. Fisky

    Fisk, not only was the Canadian terrorist a Somali “refugee”; the security services had cause to check him out two years ago. They gave him the all-clear.

    Hooray! Well done, “libertarians”!

  200. Stimpson J. Cat

    institutionalised understanding of each gender’s particular genius

    We are talking about Wamens here right?

  201. johanna

    JC
    #2512461, posted on October 2, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    johanna
    #2512435, posted on October 2, 2017 at 12:57 pm
    BTW, I’d be interested in getting a new Canberra/Queanbeyan chapter of Cats going.

    Lol. The first lot met in secret because they couldn’t stand her.

    I got an invitation from Rafe, and another from an other member. The fact is, it was a personality cult with about four members.

    Notably, Des Deskperson declined to be involved. He was right.

    Anyway, Canberra/Queanbeyan Cats who would like to get together for a drink, smoke, and chat, please email Sinc.

  202. Tom

    …by spreading as a FU to Trump the take-a-knee movement began to cause major financial damage to individual teams and the league proper.
    Now the NFL is in full retreat.

    Hey, leftards (including the NFL’s pampered lefty pets): if you wanna call a democratic populist Hitler, better first check what’s popular with most of the proletariat.

    Leftards really are the stupidest people ever born.

  203. C.L.

    The new custom of bringing children on to the field was begun by the Mortimer boys at the Bulldogs.

    Back in those days, players were pretty washed up financially when they retired. A lot of those blokes had hard times ahead when they hung up the boots. Bringing your little son out with you at the end of your last game was a way of heightening the good memories of glory years – because glory was all you had left at that point. Many of today’s players are millionaires, either in actuality or in-waiting. I wonder if today it’s not so much a matter of ‘let’s share these humble memories’ so much as it is ‘let’s share in the celebrity of me.’ Apart from that, toddlers should be in bed by 7pm, not rolling around in spit, blood and vomit.

  204. jupes

    Apparently hiring someone for having a vag doesn’t always work.

    You’d be happy with Peggy though IT surely?

    She had every reason to sack the coach last year but didn’t.

  205. Muddy

    Good call I think, Boambee John.
    He served in the 2nd A.G.H. from early in ’15 until RTA in mid ’19.

  206. jupes

    Leftards really are the stupidest people ever born.

    Yet here they are running most of the west and its institutions.

  207. dopey

    Madrid last week. Never knew there was a white sangria. After extensive testing I give it the thumbs up.

  208. C.L.

    Sheesh. Can’t Cooper Cronk’s fiancée move to Melbourne?
    The bloke seems really torn.
    Surely he couldn’t line up against Melbourne for a Sydney club.

  209. Tom

    If you haven’t seen this already*, it’s an exquisitely surgical takedown of the 21st century wymmymses movement (which 80% of wymmynses want nothing to do with).
    *Blair put it up on Friday.

  210. Muddy

    Actually, I think we have two different Bertram Morris’s here, Boambee John. I cannot find a Bertram Franklin Morris listed in a WWI Embarkation or Nominal Roll.

  211. Zatara

    Boambee John

    My point regarding the battalion(s) was that they were a Militia unit which gives a possible explanation for PTE Morris’ age.

    I concur with Muddy’s finding tho. It seems Pte Morris was killed in an air raid.

  212. Senile Old Guy

    I dubbed it a ‘silent protest’, not Storm, and the class they displayed was them just being who they are, fathers who obviously love their kids.

    You don’t get to call the Storm’s victory lap a “silent protest”. It is the same thing teams have done for decades after winning the Grand Final. Unless they say it, it has nothing to do with SSM.

  213. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    You’d be happy with Peggy though IT surely?

    She had every reason to sack the coach last year but didn’t.

    She can be President for life.

  214. srr

    Boambee John
    #2512479, posted on October 2, 2017 at 1:41 pm
    srr

    Have you deliberately changed your tag to ssr, or is that a typo?

    Sorry; that’s a post cookie clearing typo. Thanks for bringing to my attention.

  215. stackja

    Regarding Bertram Franklin Morris

    Service Record
    Name MORRIS, BERTRAM FRANKLIN
    Service Australian Army
    Service Number N21604
    Date of Birth 1 Aug 1896
    Place of Birth WEST MAITLAND
    Date of Enlistment 3 May 1938
    Locality on Enlistment Unknown
    Place of Enlistment HABERFIELD, NSW
    Next of Kin MORRIS, J
    Date of Death 5 Jul 1942
    Rank Private
    Posting on Death 55 AUSTRALIAN INFANTRY BATTALION
    WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
    Prisoner of War No
    Roll of Honour SYDNEY NSW (M)
    Service number N21604

  216. Muddy

    The 55/53rd Bn’s history “That Mob!” provides no further details of Morris’s death, other than that Bren guns were part of the equipment damaged, and this was to affect them in their coming Owen Stanley campaign.
    The man, like many others, will remain a mystery.

  217. Muddy

    There does seem to be some ambiguity between his declared date of birth and his age at death, however.

  218. srr

    At least all doubts of pushing the Textorite/Turnbullion/Leyonhjelm agendas being the primary function, have finally been dispelled.

    Dads4Kids ads were pulled because they work better than all the philosophical wankery that we’ve been drowned under, pretending to be making a case for the No vote.

    Last night we got a real life Dads4Kids ad going around the country and the world, and the wolves are mightily pissed off. Good.

  219. srr

    POPE FRANCIS TELLS MIGRANTS: ‘YOU ARE WARRIORS OF HOPE’

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/01/pope-francis-tells-migrants-you-are-warriors-of-hope/

    ‘Hope and Change’ Christendom, fundamentally, into a Hell on Earth, by Anti-Christ Warriors swords, hey Frank 👿

  220. srr

    Allah the Man-God, Part 4: Allah’s Two Right Hands
    (Anthony Rogers)

    Acts17Apologetics
    Oct 1, 2017
    The Bible and the Quran speak both literally and figuratively about God. Interestingly, however, the Quran speaks literally about Allah’s hands. From Islam’s most trusted sources, we learn that Allah LITERALLY has two right hands. In this video, with the help of various scholars, Anthony Rogers explains this interesting teaching about Islam’s man-god.

    For previous installments of “Allah the Man-God,” be sure to watch these videos:

    “Allah the Man-God, Part 1”:

    “Allah the Man-God, Part 2: Allah’s Body and Solid Shape”:

    “Allah the Man-God, Part 3: Pictures of Allah”:

  221. Frank

    Without further comment other than to say there is video (I passed) and pictures of the pneumatic look young Ms Kiss who looks quite pleased with herself. Needless to say, probably NSFL.

    Woman creates necklace out of her labia

    She had them surgically removed first

    When most people have something surgically removed, they’re not that interested in seeing the bits left over.

    For Tracy Kiss, though, it was a different story – not only did she take the remnants of her operation home, she turned them into a necklace for everyone to admire.

    You are welcome.

  222. Sparkx

    Thinks he’s one of Australia’s brightest –

    Julian Burnside‏ @JulianBurnside 1m1 minute ago
    I disagree.
    Aus judges are very good at what they do, incl sentencing. They are honest & conscientious
    (BTW I often disagree with them) https://twitter.com/WendyNorthey/status/914681365567651841

  223. egg_

    Woman creates necklace out of her labia

    SHY made a hula-hoop?

  224. Tom

    Over at Fakefacts, Our Jessica Irvine is rapidly closing in on Barking Betty as the most unhinged commo frightbat inside then old smoking hulk, with her hysterical big government Keynesian dogma.

    Add Trump Derangement and it’s out of control. Our Jess is dismayed that Trumble’s bagman ScoMo has pointed out the obvious: people and businesses like governments that aren’t greedy. Alas, she wails, TrumpHitler’s lower tax rates threaten to lead Australia “off a cliff”:

    All taxes are a discouragement to economic activity that would otherwise occur, and it’s true that, in a world of more mobile capital, a higher company tax rate may prompt some businesses to choose to invest elsewhere.

    But other considerations influence investment decisions, particularly ones made with a long time frame in mind.

    It may be that companies ultimately prefer to invest in countries with sufficient government revenues to provide an environment most conducive to business growth, including a highly educated workforce and functional infrastructure.

    They may prefer to put their money in a nation governed by politicians who can manage their budgets without leaving crippling legacies of debt to future generations, which will lead to higher taxes in the future anyway.

    They may prefer to invest in countries with leaderships that don’t believe in magic pudding economics, that is, that lowering tax rates actually boosts revenues by unleashing economic growth. It didn’t work for Ronald Regan. It’s unlikely to work for Trump.

    Leftards love rewriting history — especially 30 years after the event. Reagan’s tax cuts had GDP growth peaking at 7 per cent. Economic growth also roared into life after JFK’s tax cuts in the early 1960s. But JFK wasn’t surrounded by third-rate big government DNC communists like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

    And Our Jess thinks half a trillion dollars in government debt — which didn’t exist until RGR-Slapper-AbbottSatan-Trumble — is no problem, even though interest alone is now eating half of the national defence budget.

  225. Nick

    Melbourne Storm are more than mere Rugby League Club. They’ve been a life lesson on how to succeed against all odds, even when your own house fails you and you have to reset the foundations.

    As a fourth generation South Sydney supporter, please stop, I’m crying with laughter, SRR.

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Simply, what we all saw after the final siren, was natural, and good. So good, that a lot of people who may not have thought of it before or even been conscious of it then, instinctively knew they also wanted for themselves, and that is a very good thing. 🙂

    +1
    I like it when you do straight talk, ssr.

  227. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Woman creates necklace out of her labia

    Whoaa. That is horrible.

  228. Tom

    I have to say I love Sean Delonas as a cartoonist as much as I loved Bill Leak: in case you missed this on the old fred at 4am this morning.

  229. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I really hope that we can include “Daddy Dave,” who I had the privilege of meeting. Gigantic brain, kind nature

    One of the early Greats. Sadly missed here still.

  230. Boambee John

    Muddy at 1405

    He was Benjamin Franklin Morris in WW I.

    The “Bejnamin Franklin” part sounds genuine.

    He might have had a nickname Bertram, or it was an attempt on enlisting in WW II to confuse any conscientious Army clerk checking old records.

    On the subject of WE Brown VC, there was a possibly apocryphal story during WW II of an Australian private (usually depicted in London or Alexandria), pulled up by a British officer for failing to salute. The story has him point to his ribbon and responding “In my army, everyone salutes the VC.”

    If true, this could only have been Brown, and must have occurred in Singapore.

    AFAIK, only 4 WW I Australian VCs served abroad in WW II. By order of descending rank they were Arthur Blackburn, served in Syria/Lebanon in the 2/3rd Machine Gun Battalion, then captured in Java; a Captain whose name escapes me, served in base logistics in PNG/Solomons; a Warrant Officer, name also escapes me, served served in Syria/Lebanon in the 2/2nd Pioneer Battalion, then captured in Java; and Brown, the only one ranked as Private (equivalent).

  231. notafan

    because they work better than all the philosophical wankery

    That would be what exactly?

    CL’s comments? DB’s perhaps?

    Your philosopseuding bout ‘Dads4Kids’ on the other hand is truly sublime.

    Thank goodness you are in charge of the Storm No! campaign.

    Resounding success that everyone is talking about.

  232. Boambee John

    Zatara
    #2512503, posted on October 2, 2017 at 2:06 pm
    Boambee John

    My point regarding the battalion(s) was that they were a Militia unit which gives a possible explanation for PTE Morris’ age.

    He would have been a voluntary enlistment, having given a false age. Conscription did not reach that age, and it was well beyond the nominal acceptable age.

  233. Snoopy

    From Frank’s labia link.

    “One step closer to breaking down the taboo of female circumcision through a unique talking point and bespoke jewellery that I will cherish forever.”

    Just another step in the quest to normalise FGM.

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