Monday Forum: October 2, 2017

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  1. zyconoclast

    We are slowly becoming a fascistic hellhole.

    Not so slowly.

  2. stackja

    Sydney Live ✔ @SydneyLive2GB
    It’s up to the policymakers and the American public to tackle this issue (of gun control) – @JulieBishopMP tells @BenFordham – http://www.2gb.com

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    How can such an extensive armory not be seen by the housekeeping staff as they do the room (if he had been booked in for a few days as I read)?
    Do Not Disturb.

    Yes. We use that a lot, it’s true. But used constantly for three days? Surely they’d wonder if someone had died. Hotels may have to institute a right to inspect. They certainly come in if you are not there and fix things that have gone wrong, or put new lights in etc. That’s how I got sprung having my little cat in one apartment hotel. Went out and left her sweetly asleep and came back to a notice to quit due to animal on premises. Hairy sorted it out with them. We just paid up a massive cleaning fee when we left, while the poor little old kitty hardly left her basket.

  4. stackja

    Senile Old Guy
    #2513682, posted on October 3, 2017 at 5:08 pm

    Jul 25, 2012 – In other words, when Tommy guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have Tommy guns, and the peaceable citizen will not have the ability to …

  5. Myrddin Seren

    Heavy Gambler.

    Heavy losses.

    Payback on LV?

    Firing from the casino but no attack in the casino seems – odd – if revenge is the motive.

    This whole thing remains – odd.

  6. Harlequin Decline

    stackja
    #2513681, posted on October 3, 2017 at 5:07 pm

    Conventions only.

    I guess the conventions don’t mean much these days.

  7. Marcus

    I’ve always loved this song, and I suppose it’s got more poignancy now:



    He just looks so content with life in that video.

    I guess there’s another empty chair now…

  8. Geriatric Mayfly

    Unlocking devices with fingerprint or iris recognition is becoming a matter of course. But Private Eye’s ‘Funny Old World announces dickometrics , the first penis recognition system for use on porn sites.
    ‘Basically if you have a penis, you can use that instead of a password. Just upload a photo of it to our website, and whenever you log on, we’ll use our proprietary Penis Recognition Technology to match your penis to your account. Like a finger print or an eyeball, the penis has many differentiating factors like size, colour, skin composition and vein protrusion . . . As yet the technology isn’t there for women, but we’re working on it.’

    Does not specify if uploaded photograph requires said member to be at rest or rampant.

  9. Marcus

    Firing from the casino but no attack in the casino seems – odd – if revenge is the motive.

    This whole thing remains – odd.

    It’ll probably be similar to that pilot who crashed that plane with all passengers on board, in the end.

    Some egomaniac with a death wish who wanted to go out in a blaze of infamy, no more, no less.

  10. Gab

    Has it been confirmed the LV shooter was a muslim?

  11. We are slowly becoming a fascistic hellhole.

    Not so slowly.

    Are we there yet?

  12. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Sydney Live ✔ @SydneyLive2GB
    It’s up to the policymakers and the American public to tackle this issue (of gun control) – @JulieBishopMP tells @BenFordham – http://www.2gb.com

    Stick to wasting Australian taxpayers money, you tax hoovering slag.

  13. Tom

    Has it been confirmed the LV shooter was a muslim?

    Islamic State, which claimed responsibility, says the shooter Paddock is a “soldier of Islam” and converted to Islam in the past few months after IS — in May — called on lone wolves to attack the Vegas strip.

  14. JC

    Langdale who does some conspiracy theories is suggesting this possibility.

    The reason there were so many guns in the room was because Paddock was an unlicensed gun dealer. He raises the possibility that he was killed and others did the work.

    This is a big story that requires big time evidence though.

    It will be interesting to get the hotel CCTV footage, which still hasn’t come out.

  15. Gab

    Thanks, Tom. I only ask here because the msm won’t report it.

  16. Islamic State, which claimed responsibility …

    Far ken weird.

    “We dunnit!”

    “No, no. It wasn’t you! Prove you dunnit.”

  17. Stimpson J. Cat

    Has it been confirmed the LV shooter was a muslim?

    I’m guessing potential psychopath with potential borderline personality disorder myself.
    It appears I was very wrong.

  18. Gab

    One witness said the shooting took place over twenty minutes.
    I have yet to find a corroboration for that.

    Heard on the wireless that from the time of the first 911 call to when the cops kicked down the door of the hotel room, over 1 hour had elapsed.

  19. Fergus

    Must have been going somewhere with those two planes.

  20. one old bruce

    Peter, Peter, we don’t want to know who you are, ‘Test’. Are you trying to sell us Real Estate with that smile?

  21. The JC theory is possible, but rest assured if there is an organization(s) involved the Donald will go hunting for them. I suspect he will be better at it than Bush or O’Bummer.

  22. Fergus

    There would be records of those flights, or maybe not.

  23. Oh come on

    One thing that this shooting has highlighted is what a pathetic actor ISIS has become.

  24. Tailgunner

    Is Monty applauding the rampage against supposed “Trump supporters” in LV?
    Civil War II getting closer.

  25. Farmer Gez

    If Paddock is a convert it should throw the media into a spin. Any young ethnic Muslim is a candidate for radicalisation but an over the hill white guy can’t be, right?
    You would have to blame the religion and not the race. A paradox for the Left and an unusually high level of delusion will be needed to expain it away.

  26. one old bruce

    Stimpy, I always pictured you as a woman, like Darryl Hannah in Bald-Runner.

  27. Stimpson J. Cat

    If Paddock is a convert it should throw the media into a spin.

    Just another reason for everybody to hate rich old white men.
    Nothing to see here.

  28. one old bruce

    It’s like a Venetian masquerade here. Or maybe Chesterton’ The Man Who was Thursday where everyone turned out to be a sock-puppet.

  29. Arky

    Not so slowly.

    Are we there yet?

    ..
    If you kids don’t quit it, I swear to God I’m going to turn this country around and no one is going to Disneyland

  30. Oh come on

    Islamic State, which claimed responsibility

    Yes, they’ve also claimed responsibility for the disappearance of Amelia Earhart and the assassination of JFK.

  31. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Why did he kill himself?

    Why not keep rampaging?

  32. Gab

    Greens morons in Vic want to import 20,000 Rohingyas. Caring and compassionate? Nah, just hopin for 20,000 more Greens voters.

  33. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpy, I always pictured you as a woman, like Darryl Hannah in Bald-Runner.

    Ridiculous.
    Obviously I would be Darryl Hannah in Kill Bill in Nurses outfit.
    Because eye patch.

  34. JC

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
    #2513732, posted on October 3, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    Why did he kill himself?

    Why not keep rampaging?

    Really good question.

  35. one old bruce

    Oh, sorry. Yeah I see it now. Do you talk like Robert Newton? Harrr, me hearrrties!

  36. Arky

    Why did he kill himself?

    ..
    they usually do:

    shooting rampage came to be known as the Columbine High School massacre.[2][3] Harris and Klebold committed suicide in the library, where they had killed 10 of their victims.[4]

  37. John Constantine

    Campfires banned at the Deniliquin ute muster this year.

    Senior police condemn the throwing of eggs at police vans that entered the campsite (where ten thousand people had a few campfires) to enforce the ban.

    Next year total respect will be mandatory, or no permit will be issued, declare senior fun police.

  38. JC

    Paddock would have been rational in the sense that he would have thought through this. There was no need to have so many guns with him.

    The CCTV footage is going to be really important.

  39. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    If you can bring 19 guns into a hotel room, you can bring enough explosives in to take out the whole hotel.

    None of this makes any sense.

  40. Baldrick

    FMD the ABC is a cesspit of leftard sewerage. This is what passes for informed comment on Teh Dumb:

    ABC The Drum ✔ @ABCthedrum
    “This is very definition of white privilege, this white guy doesn’t get labelled a terrorist but gets labelled a country music fan”

  41. OneWorldGovernment

    My favourite Tom Petty

    “I won’t back down”

    and this recording on youtube

  42. thefrolickingmole

    A knob at the gruinaid outlines his understanding of what “Capitalism” is….
    Heres the link, its just a pitiful piece of wank.
    Oh and its all ‘Fatchers fault… Apparently Blair and Brown were never in power…
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/03/problem-not-capitalism-tories-thatcher-treasury-cupboard-bare

    A spectre is indeed haunting the Tory party, but it is the spectre of moderate social democracy. Labour went into the last election on a manifesto of a bigger public sector, higher taxes and a promise to borrow more to invest. That is capitalism, of a kind that Angela Merkel would know.


    Thatcher’s capitalism has ended up breaking every one of its big promises. Home ownership in England has slumped to its lowest point since the mid-1980s. Share ownership among individuals is below where it was when Thatcher entered No 10. Thatcherism was meant to help those who wanted to get on in life; the Resolution Foundation now forecasts that those aged between 15 and 35 could earn less over their entire lifetimes than their parents.

  43. Baldrick

    If you can bring 19 guns into a casino hotel room, where their security is only outdone by airports, you can bring enough explosives in to take out the whole hotel.

    None of this makes any sense.

    (Fixed)

  44. one old bruce

    Not to be picky but because I just found this out and want to share it:
    ‘Sewerage is the infrastructure that conveys sewage or surface runoff (stormwater, meltwater, rainwater) using sewers. It encompasses components such as receiving drains, manholes, pumping stations, storm overflows, and screening chambers of the combined sewer or sanitary sewer.’

  45. Arky

    This is the way narcissists commit suicide.

  46. Stimpson J. Cat

    None of this makes any sense.

    Sane people always say this.

    It doesn’t have to, and probably never will.

  47. JC

    If you can bring 19 guns into a casino hotel room, where their security is only outdone by airports, you can bring enough explosives in to take out the whole hotel.

    None of this makes any sense.

    I have no problem understanding this. Those hotels are monstrous and would have several entries/exits.

  48. Stimpson J. Cat

    Not to be picky but because I just found this out and want to share it:

    Please don’t be Grigsie.

  49. one old bruce

    Well said Stimp.

    Very wise words.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL BREAKING NEWS
    WA police to get shoot-to-kill powers

    Greg Roberts
    Australian Associated Press
    5:34PM October 3, 2017

    WA Police will get stronger powers to shoot and kill terrorists as a pre-emptive measure to avoid casualties.

    The state government announced the new laws in which police at a scene would be authorised to use the lethal force powers once Police Commissioner Chris Dawson or his deputies declare a “terrorist incident”.

    The changes to the Terrorism Act are a response to the confusion and criticism around the 2014 Lindt Cafe siege in Sydney when police snipers did not shoot gunman Man Haron Monis before he opened fire on hostages because they were worried they could be charged.

    Police officers will have clear legal protections that will help reduce any “doubt or ambiguity” in their minds if they are required to use pre-emptive force in terrorist incidents, Premier Mark McGowan told reporters.

    “We can’t allow a situation to develop where there is a terrorist incident and police don’t know whether or not they can take lethal action against the perpetrator,” he said.

    “I want West Australians to be absolutely assured that if there is a terror incident with hostages or victims involved, that police can shoot to kill the terrorist or perpetrator involved.”

    Police around Australia are already armed and allowed to use force deemed reasonably necessary but the new laws, which NSW has already announced, would allow them to do it at an earlier stage to combat terrorism with legal immunity.

    Breaking news from the Oz. Stand by for the ruckus when the first follower of a certain religion gets zapped.

  51. candy

    This is the way narcissists commit suicide.

    Positioning himself up so high so that the 500+ people could be seen scrambling and desperate, but not seeing particular death and blood, sounds like it made him feel like a ‘god’ full of power controlling people, maybe.

  52. Myrddin Seren

    This is the way narcissists commit suicide.

    Political manifesto a la Brevik ?

    Last testament ?

    Don’t know.

    But he definitely didn’t want t risk being wounded and taken alive by the cops.

    If it is true he had cameras in the corridor to monitor the arrival of the police – it wasn’t to give him time to empty another volley through the door. It was to give sufficient time to off himself thoroughly.

    Still thinking this is odd.

  53. Fisky

    I see Cate McGregor has been exposed as the Noel Pearson of LGBT!

  54. one old bruce

    No no no. I’ve been around since Tim Blair’s 2004 blog, and I contributed to CL shut down his blog by hogging the comments along with Homer, basically just the two of us. Who remembers CL’s blog? An offshoot of early Blair.

    Im OLD. I don’t even know this whole Grigs thing which is after my time. I’m also diagnosed on ‘the spectrum’ and have talked to you about it on here.

    Just being friendly and trying to keep up the flow.

  55. H B Bear

    Even for the ALPBC Teh Dumb is an embarrassment. Teh Snowcone Variety Hour‘s inbred cousin.

  56. OneWorldGovernment

    Saw a link to this on an American expat website I occasionally visit and think it well worth reading.

    Before the late nineteen eighties, mass shootings and acts of senseless violence were relatively unheard of. Prozac, the most well known SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) antidepressant, was not yet on the market. When Prozac did arrive, it was marketed as a panacea for depression which resulted in huge profits for its manufacturer Eli Lilly. Of course other drug companies had to create their own cash cow and followed suit by marketing their own SSRI antidepressants.

    Subsequently, mass shootings and other violent incidents started to be reported. More often than not, the common denominator was that the shooters were on an antidepressant, or withdrawing from one. This is not about an isolated incident or two but numerous shootings. The question is, during the past twenty years is the use of antidepressants here a coincidence or a causation?

    There have been too many mass shootings for it just to be a coincidence.

    http://www.cchrflorida.org/antidepressants-are-a-prescription-for-mass-shootings/

  57. JC

    candy
    #2513764, posted on October 3, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    This is the way narcissists commit suicide.

    Positioning himself up so high so that the 500+ people could be seen scrambling and desperate, but not seeing particular death and blood, sounds like it made him feel like a ‘god’ full of power controlling people, maybe.

    As my dentist said this afternoon, it would be the ideal way to kill large numbers of people because you’re far enough away to avoid witnessing all the blood and gore.

  58. one old bruce

    The only blogger I’ve ever met was Norm Geras, after he’d visited Blair on a cricket tour. At the Opera House. I showed him how to get a train to Bradman’s Southern Highlands town, a pilgrimage for Norm.

  59. JC

    What a female sexual organ. A booting isn’t good enough.

    CBS fired one of its top lawyers after she said she’s “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting since “country music fans often are Republican gun toters.” Attorney Hayley Geftman-Gold wrote the hateful words in a now-deleted Facebook post captured by The Daily Caller.

    “If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing,” wrote Geftman-Gold on Facebook, perhaps referring to Sandy Hook. “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”

  60. Crossie

    If you can bring 19 guns into a casino hotel room, where their security is only outdone by airports, you can bring enough explosives in to take out the whole hotel.

    None of this makes any sense.

    I have no problem understanding this. Those hotels are monstrous and would have several entries/exits.

    Surely they have a camera in every corridor and corner and people to monitor them. Why a guest taking into his room ten large suitcases not raise a flag?

  61. one old bruce

    Norm wanted to meet everyone because he was dying of prostate.

  62. Geriatric Mayfly

    Not to be picky but because I just found this out and want to share it:
    ‘Sewerage is the infrastructure that conveys sewage or surface runoff (stormwater, meltwater, rainwater) using sewers. It encompasses components such as receiving drains, manholes, pumping stations, storm overflows, and screening chambers of the combined sewer or sanitary sewer.’

    There was a weird character in No. 96 who was smitten by this sort of thing.

  63. candy

    Surely they have a camera in every corridor and corner and people to monitor them. Why a guest taking into his room ten large suitcases not raise a flag?

    It sounds like he could have had some cannons and a tank in the underground carpark and no-one would have noticed.

  64. Fisky

    CBS fired one of its top lawyers after she said she’s “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting since “country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”

    Nice to see the US’s robust civil society standing together in wake of a horrific national tragedy.

  65. JC

    Surely they have a camera in every corridor and corner and people to monitor them. Why a guest taking into his room ten large suitcases not raise a flag?

    Okay.

    1. You arrive at 9.00 am and given a room. You take up two golf bags or whatever and rest up for a couple of hours after you’ve stuck the DND signed out outside.

    2. It’s 11 am and you head down the car park and take up another couple of bags.

    3. You go have lunch, take another rest – perhaps head down to the pool and 4 pm wash and repeat.

    4. Go again at 6.

    Who the hell would even recall what’s gone on considering the fact that you’ve possibly worked your way through three shifts.

  66. one old bruce

    No. 96: I was studying at NIDA in 1979 and had lunch with Mel Gibson and Dinah Mann – the naughty teenager in that show.

  67. Oh come on

    Surely they have a camera in every corridor and corner and people to monitor them. Why a guest taking into his room ten large suitcases not raise a flag?

    Seriously? Stop and think for a second how a CCTV control room operates. There isn’t one guy who sits there 24/7 watching all the monitors simultaneously who is capable of joining all the dots you seem to think should be joined.

  68. None of this makes any sense.

    To quote a friend of mine: “If something does not make sense, it is because you are not in possession of all the facts.”

  69. Crossie

    the common denominator was that the shooters were on an antidepressant, or withdrawing from one.

    The common denominator is more likely to be insanity, whether diagnosed and treated or not.

    Shutting down psychiatric hospitals and turning all manner of psychopaths loose didn’t exactly improve the world either.

  70. Robber Baron

    Back at Catholic hospital. A group of bearded agressive men and naquib clad women outside entrance gesticulating wildly towards hospital staff. Got close enough to hear one male of the species saying he wanted answers. I kept walking. Theses followers of the religion of peace are getting on my nerves. They don’t belong in Australia.

  71. thefrolickingmole

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Chatting to my copper mate on the weekend and he mentioned the vastly loosened prohibitions on using anything more harsh than a written warning.
    However he also mentioned the mindset of “shots fired, run in and shoot to kill” has been severely educated out of the cops for decades.
    He attended a “shots fired” and his partner wouldnt go in.

  72. JC

    Shutting down psychiatric hospitals and turning all manner of psychopaths loose didn’t exactly improve the world either.

    This fucker didn’t exhibit anything. His brother is in total shock.

  73. Delta A

    If you kids don’t quit it, I swear to God I’m going to turn this country around and no one is going to Disneyland

    Arky, I love the way you turn the mundane into the momentous.

    Great sense of humour.

  74. Tel

    The reason there were so many guns in the room was because Paddock was an unlicensed gun dealer.

    That would explain how he could afford to gamble regularly (very few people really make a living gambling) and why he went in and out of Vegas regularly, and also why none of his family had any idea about the guns. If you run with that theory, you have to ask who his customers were, why they were buying machine guns and perhaps why they might want to erase the supplier of those guns?

    It will be interesting to get the hotel CCTV footage, which still hasn’t come out.

    Ha ha, that ain’t gonna happen. Stays in Vegas, as the saying goes.

  75. Makka

    No doubt covered in the Cat but FMD , what a Nazi that CBS exec must be to publicly express his smug satisfaction that all those Republican voting country music lovers were slaughtered in Vegas.

    Here is a well connected leftist media scumbag who is without a doubt belonging to a network of cutting edge leftism and who is part of the sewer soup known as the MSM, extolling the virtues of the Final Solution inflicted on Republicans. The Left.

    The Left are all totalitarian fkn Nazis. The resident leftist POS mUnty is here daily defending and showcasing this disgusting political ideology. That’s who we are dealing with.

  76. Oh come on

    One or some security personnel potentially saw some guy taking luggage into a hotel room.

    OMG! How unusual! Why weren’t more alarms raised??

  77. Roger

    “This is very definition of white privilege, this white guy doesn’t get labelled a terrorist but gets labelled a country music fan”

    Dan Illic, identified on The Dumb as a “journalist and comedian”.

    Quite.

  78. Myrddin Seren

    Surely they have a camera in every corridor and corner and people to monitor them.

  79. Crossie

    Who the hell would even recall what’s gone on considering the fact that you’ve possibly worked your way through three shifts.

    Then they have a hole in their security.

    What about maids who service the room? And if he refused to have the room serviced it should have raised a flag to look at camera footage.

    Slack all around.

  80. JC

    Tel

    I think that conspiracy can be discounted as unlikely, but it’s not a zero.

  81. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m also diagnosed on ‘the spectrum’ and have talked to you about it on here.
    Just being friendly and trying to keep up the flow.

    It’s why I said “Please”.
    Ignore me if I seem out of sorts.
    I always get this way on new medication.
    Just tell me to f$ck off and do some yoga or something.
    Namaste.

  82. “If something does not make sense,
    it is because you are not in possession of all the facts.”

    Bullseye!
    I’m getting a distinct “mushroom being fed bullshit” feeling about all this.
    About the only thing that makes coherent sense is that none it appears to make any sense at all.

  83. Stimpson J. Cat

    His brother is in total shock.

    Who was his Dad again?

  84. Crossie

    Watching the coverage of the massacre I cringe each time I hear a reporter pronounce “Los” Vegas rather than “Las” Vegas. Those idiots don’t seem to be aware that the two are not interchangeable.

  85. JC

    Crossie

    Hotel security was never meant to be checking for a loon taking up position in his room. It’s not slack. It’s just something not considered.

    If we were going to have that level of security you need to go through a fucking mental detector at the fish&chip shop.

    What will likely occur is that you’re not going to have these open air concerts in front of large buildings again in Vegas.

  86. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Clementine Ford
    7 hrs ·
    “Eric Paddock described the shooter as a peaceful man who moved back to the red desert hills of Nevada partly because gambling is legal in the state and he hated Central Florida’s humidity.”
    Only white men get to be described like this after they murder dozens of people and injure hundreds
    #lasvegas
    #guncontrolsavesmorelivesthanprayersdo

    The stupid is spreading.

  87. JC

    I’m getting a distinct “mushroom being fed bullshit” feeling about all this.

    Here we go. Another version of the aboriginal insurrection again.

  88. H B Bear

    Dan Illic, identified on The Dumb as a “journalist and comedian”.
    Quite.

    What’s the difference?

  89. Tel

    If you can bring 19 guns into a casino hotel room, where their security is only outdone by airports, you can bring enough explosives in to take out the whole hotel.

    Part of the service is what they make sure they don’t see.

  90. Crossie

    What will likely occur is that you’re not going to have these open air concerts in front of large buildings again in Vegas.

    Bataclan and Manchester have taught us that concert halls are not safe either.

  91. JC

    Only white men get to be described like this after they murder dozens of people and injure hundreds

    The fat unattractive slob seems to really dislike white men. Boy, she must have been dissed so many times.

  92. Atoms for Peace

    Stimp..yoga with goats is the new in thing.

  93. JC

    Bataclan and Manchester have taught us that concert halls are not safe either.

    Okay, don’t go to concerts and if you do buy the expensive tickets close to the front of the stage. Quite frankly all this bullshit occurs at the rear.

  94. Roger

    What’s the difference?

    Exactly.

    Only white men get to be described like this after they murder dozens of people and injure hundreds

    And every Muslim terrorist: “He was so normal”.

    Not to mention the religion of war itself.

  95. Crossie

    H B Bear
    #2513815, posted on October 3, 2017 at 6:44 pm
    Dan Illic, identified on The Dumb as a “journalist and comedian”.
    Quite.

    What’s the difference?

    Ha, ha.

  96. Crossie

    Stimp..yoga with goats is the new in thing.

    Originated in the Middle East?

  97. JC

    @clementine_ford I love this twitter page. All the insanity is there line by line and you don’t have chase around. Thanks Clem.

  98. one old bruce

    Thanks Stimp! You know how hard it is to socialise, getting the angle right, over-thinking everything. After 20 years I hope to give up failing as a blog commenter and focus on the brilliant woman who likes my nuttiness, God bless her. I told her there was one thing I’ve never had, a relationship. She says she’s on ‘the spectrum’ too, so I have some hope, while she’s brilliant and successful and we do obsessive research together: heaven.

  99. Tel

    I think that conspiracy can be discounted as unlikely, but it’s not a zero.

    Well the gun dealer connection would fit the facts better than believing some guy who had never been involved with guns in any way, not only randomly flipped out but also found a way to obtain a mountain of illegal machine guns, and even decided to make four trips to the car park lugging up far more guns and ammo than he could ever possibly use, and then strangely committed suicide at the very first hint of a police response.

    I’m just more comfortable believing in consistency and common sense when it comes to cause and effect.

  100. Roger

    Good Lord.

    The West Australian’s Canberra political correspondent says there was a lot of resentment in the community against the postal survey.

    How “much in the bubble” can you be?

  101. Oh come on

    Crossie, if hotel guests had to clear the same kinds of security measures that airline passengers do, you might have a point. But they don’t. You are vastly overstating the extent to which a team of CCTV operators would keep tabs on the activity of one out of hundreds of hotel room entrances.

  102. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    and then strangely committed suicide at the very first hint of a police response.

    After the 250th victim he had a moment of clarity and blew his own brains out.

  103. JC

    Tel

    The cops/FBI are still investigating. We don’t know the facts because they still haven’t finished their investigation. Making it worse is that Paddock appears to be a blank slate, so this could take a little longer.

    What would be good though is to see the CCTV. They should get that out into the public sphere asap.

  104. Tel

    The West Australian’s Canberra political correspondent says there was a lot of resentment in the community against the postal survey.

    I resent it being done as a postal survey, when they should have put the question up as an additional paper along with the next federal election… both cheaper and more accurate.

  105. Crossie

    Okay, don’t go to concerts and if you do buy the expensive tickets close to the front of the stage. Quite frankly all this bullshit occurs at the rear.

    The last concert I attended the Shadows were playing at Sydney Entertainment Centre so I am hardly likely to be in a risky situation but then again if they do another tour I’ll be buying the mosh pit tickets.

  106. JC

    But there’s also this.

    There’s really no harm in speculating about the story before the fuller picture comes out from the cops/FBI.

  107. Tel

    After the 250th victim he had a moment of clarity and blew his own brains out.

    Don’t yank my crank, buddy!

  108. Roger

    I resent it being done as a postal survey, when they should have put the question up as an additional paper along with the next federal election… both cheaper and more accurate.

    Legislation for a plebiscite should have been passed.

    When it failed most people – according to the polling – welcomed the survey as the next best thing because they wanted to have their say. The consensus on The Dumb is that shouldn’t have been allowed. The journalistic class are now anti-democratic and elitist.

  109. Crossie

    Crossie, if hotel guests had to clear the same kinds of security measures that airline passengers do, you might have a point. But they don’t. You are vastly overstating the extent to which a team of CCTV operators would keep tabs on the activity of one out of hundreds of hotel room entrances.

    I just thought these super hotel would have their act together.

  110. OneWorldGovernment

    JC
    #2513792, posted on October 3, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    Shutting down psychiatric hospitals and turning all manner of psychopaths loose didn’t exactly improve the world either.

    This fucker didn’t exhibit anything. His brother is in total shock.

    JC

    As Stimpy reminds us above – don’t forget the Dad who appeared on FBI 10 most wanted.

    I’d reckon you would have a fairly strong “see nothing wrong” shield if that was your childhood.

    I like Tel’s gun dealer hypotheses.

    And as far as getting the guns and ammo into the room all you would need is ‘yay whatever’ cases and ask the front desk for help to carry them up to your room and tip accordingly.

    Apparently it wasn’t the first time he stayed at the hotel and who’s to say he didn’t pass himself off as a salesman and ‘the cases’ contained his products!

  111. Crossie

    What would be good though is to see the CCTV. They should get that out into the public sphere asap.

    Unless it is embarrassing to somebody important in some way.

  112. zyconoclast

    evin Rudd ✔ @MrKRudd
    As someone now living in the US, this is insanity. The President & Congress must start by banning automatic weapons.

    You mean Australia’s rid of the sniveling toad?

    Unless he can sniff another PM opportunity.

  113. JC

    Lets walk through the conspiracy theory.

    Paddock is a illicit gun dealer and he was killed by the real protagonists. If that’s the case how would the real killer have planned to be on the 32nd floor? I would guess that if you wanted to buy guns, or told Paddock you did, he would call the shots in terms of here to meet up. It seems awfully unlikely Paddock randomly picked the 32nd floor on the same evening as the concert.

    I think we can almost discount this story under my set of circumstances. Maybe the fucker was a gun dealer and he’s also the killer. That’s also really plausible.

  114. Crossie

    JC
    #2513833, posted on October 3, 2017 at 6:56 pm
    But there’s also this.

    There’s really no harm in speculating about the story before the fuller picture comes out from the cops/FBI.

    We all like to play profilers, well at least I do.

  115. Crossie

    Legislation for a plebiscite should have been passed.

    When it failed most people – according to the polling – welcomed the survey as the next best thing because they wanted to have their say. The consensus on The Dumb is that shouldn’t have been allowed. The journalistic class are now anti-democratic and elitist.

    I wonder if all the angst among the talkeratti is that somebody is leaking to them early count that is not what they hoped for.

  116. thefrolickingmole

    Atoms for Peace
    Stimp..yoga with goats is the new in thing.

    And that M’Lud is why I was in the paddock, in Lycra, contorted around that ovine…
    The defense rests.

  117. H B Bear

    The West Australian’s Canberra political correspondent says there was a lot of resentment in the community against the postal survey.

    Like Andrew Probyn, most journalists at Teh Worst and elsewhere see their position a weekly ticket in journo lotto with the main prize being a job at the ALPBC staff co-op. The only way to squeeze in around the water cooler huddle is to go full Marxist and fellate a co-op member whenever the opportunity arises.

  118. Makka

    Maybe the fucker was a gun dealer and he’s also the killer. That’s also really plausible.

    But what motivated him? It’s just too easy to say he was mentally ill when you consider the detail, planning and effort that went into the kill zone. This almost looks like military style in planning – clear ambush and field of fire tactics. Has Habib and Mater given any opinions on this?

  119. Helen

    And that M’Lud is why I was in the paddock, in Lycra, contorted around that ovine…
    The defense rests.

    a goat is caprine – she/he/it might think you racist otherwise ..

  120. Boambee John

    Gab
    #2513733, posted on October 3, 2017 at 5:53 pm
    Greens morons in Vic want to import 20,000 Rohingyas. Caring and compassionate? Nah, just hopin for 20,000 more Greens voters.

    Each to be hosted by a Greens Party member, who will accept full financial responsibility for housing, feeding, clothing them and providing medical care and education, while also holding public liability insurance against any case of sudden jihadi syndrome? No? Then the deal is off!

  121. Stimpson J. Cat

    The defense rests.

    In all honesty I am quite disappointed none of you Tom Petty fans got my Refugee joke.
    Very hurtful.

  122. Helen

    with the shooter, maybe the wife was the sleeper? Maybe she booked the room, in his name, using his card?

  123. Geriatric Mayfly

    Terror accused snub judge
    Medich Trial
    Two men who pleaded guilty to planning multiple terrorist attacks on Australian soil have refused to stand in court.

    Something needs to be done to teach these ignorant goat-herds and herdesses a thing or two about how things operate in this country. First up: no stand, straight to the cells until you find some legs.

  124. OneWorldGovernment

    Tel
    #2513831, posted on October 3, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    The West Australian’s Canberra political correspondent says there was a lot of resentment in the community against the postal survey.

    I resent it being done as a postal survey, when they should have put the question up as an additional paper along with the next federal election… both cheaper and more accurate.

    Can someone explain the purpose of the ABS ‘survey’?

  125. Helen

    who will accept full financial responsibility for housing, feeding, clothing them and providing medical care and education

    for life for them and any family reunion and all descendants.

  126. Helen

    Naah she wasnt in the country.

  127. OneWorldGovernment

    JC or Dover Beach or whomever.

    Can you give a thumbnail sketch of how medical insurance used to operate in USA?

    And what difference did ObamaCare introduce?

    Thank you.

  128. srr

    Vicky 🇬🇧‏ @2tweetaboutit 49m49 minutes ago

    Surprise, surprise Rise in transgender reversals, says a top surgeon at popular clinic http://dailym.ai/2hJ6HsN @theresa_may @DHgovuk

  129. Crossie

    This guy Petheric, an expert of some sort, on Bolt is explaining his view of evil. He says there is no such thing, we just don’t have enough information about an atrocity, that we don’t know all the reasons.

    According to that sort of reasoning shooting hundreds of innocent and unsuspecting people is not evil, we just don’t know the shooter’s motivation.

    I have news for Petheric, rationalising evil does not make it any less evil.

  130. Chris

    Something needs to be done to teach these ignorant goat-herds and herdesses a thing or two about how things operate in this country. First up: no stand, straight to the cells until you find some legs.

    Oh. I was hoping for something involving security dogs and cattle prods.

  131. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    The prime minister will use Thursday’s counter-terror summit to push premiers to hand over the pictures of every licensed driver in their state so federal agencies can build a national facial recognition data base.

    Access to the millions of licence pictures would allow surveillance cameras armed with facial recognition technology to scan crowds looking for a match with suspected terrorists and criminals.

    Government sources have told 9NEWS that the information on drivers’ licences is the “mother-load” it needs to build a powerful law enforcement tool.

    That’s not even slightly creepy and totalitarian.

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/10/03/17/58/chris-uhlmann-pm-to-use-counter-terror-meeting-to-push-for-drivers-licence-photo-database

  132. Chris

    OWG,
    I like the cut of your jib, sir.

  133. Boambee John

    Roger at 185185

    The journalistic class are now anti-democratic and elitist

    Whadda ya mean “now”_

  134. Boambee John

    That should be 1855

  135. Tel

    Access to the millions of licence pictures would allow surveillance cameras armed with facial recognition technology to scan crowds looking for a match with suspected terrorists and criminals.

    That rather odd, I would have thought that only the pictures of the suspected terrorists and criminals would be required for such a scan.

    You don’t think there’s something dishonest about this report by any chance??

  136. Crossie

    Can someone explain the purpose of the ABS ‘survey’?

    My understanding is that politicians want to bring in SSM without suffering an electoral backlash. Originally they were assured by all vested interests that the move is universally popular and a plebiscite will prove it. Why else would Shorten have confidently advocated it?

    The panic set in when somebody did a proper poll and found no proof for those claims. The pollies were mislead and now they are in a bind. The pressure will be enormous on ABS to come up with a desired result.

  137. Tel

    Can someone explain the purpose of the ABS ‘survey’?

    Face saving by Turnbull after being defeated in the Senate by Hinch-n-co.

  138. Roger

    This guy Petheric, an expert of some sort…

    Lord, deliver us from experts.

    Amen.

  139. Marcus

    This guy Petheric, an expert of some sort, on Bolt is explaining his view of evil. He says there is no such thing, we just don’t have enough information about an atrocity, that we don’t know all the reasons.

    According to that sort of reasoning shooting hundreds of innocent and unsuspecting people is not evil, we just don’t know the shooter’s motivation.

    I have news for Petheric, rationalising evil does not make it any less evil.

    Sooner or later someone’s going to bring up Paddock’s genetics as a contributing factor.

  140. Gab

    The prime minister will use Thursday’s counter-terror summit to push premiers to hand over the pictures of every licensed driver in their state

    Yeah and what about unlicensed drivers?

  141. Roger

    Whadda ya mean “now”_

    Fair point. I concede.

  142. Chris

    his guy Petheric, an expert of some sort, on Bolt is explaining his view of evil. He says there is no such thing, we just don’t have enough information about an atrocity, that we don’t know all the reasons.

    According to that sort of reasoning shooting hundreds of innocent and unsuspecting people is not evil, we just don’t know the shooter’s motivation.

    I have news for Petheric, rationalising evil does not make it any less evil.

    I think my search for a rational understanding of the evil acts is not rationalising.

  143. The pressure will be enormous on ABS to come up with a desired result.

    Don’t sweat it. The ABS will simply “seasonally adjust” the raw results to whatever is required.
    They’ve been doing it with every other statistic since 1987, so it’s no biggie.

  144. Crossie

    Roger at 185185

    The journalistic class are now anti-democratic and elitist

    Whadda ya mean “now”_

    The rot set in when they all had to have a journalism and/or communication degrees to qualify for a job in the media. Reporters who learned the craft on the job did not have these elevated opinions of themselves and had a much better bs detector. In the 80s even Fairfax had good journos.

  145. Roger

    Face saving by Turnbull after being defeated in the Senate by Hinch-n-co.

    Maladroit would have preferred a vote on the floor of parliament but his back benchers and party research told him in no uncertain terms how much the electorate wanted a say on the question and that without it the legitimacy of any amendment to present legislation would be in question (which it will be in any case, but for argument’s sake I present the facts as they are known).

  146. Arky

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2513857, posted on October 3, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    The defense rests.

    In all honesty I am quite disappointed none of you Tom Petty fans got my Refugee joke.
    Very hurtful.

    ..
    That’s not a joke, Tuco.

  147. John64

    Don’t sweat it. The ABS will simply “seasonally adjust” the raw results to whatever is required.

    The raw results will be homo-genised.

  148. Tom

    Nice to see the US’s robust civil society standing together in wake of a horrific national tragedy.

    The second US civil war is underway, Fisky. Libertarians are dismayed there would ever be consequences for their irresponsibility.

  149. Chris

    In the 80s even Fairfax had good journos.

    When the 80s finished, journalists as a profession apologised for spending ten years suck-holing crooked millionaires for party invites and free drinks but completely failing to deal with those millionaires’ corrupt purchase of Labor governments in WA and VIC.

  150. Crossie

    I think my search for a rational understanding of the evil acts is not rationalising.

    This guy said there is no such thing as evil acts, we just don’t have enough understanding about them.

    Most of the interview with Bolt was reasonable and then he threw that out at the end which horrified me.

  151. Roger

    Journalists are, by and large, now in cahoots with the political class.

    The Fifth Estate is now blogdom.

  152. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Interesting tweet from DL who is pro SSM:

    David Leyonhjelm‏Verified account @DavidLeyonhjelm Sep 24

    But it was never “politically, religiously or ideologically motivated”, was it AFP

    https://twitter.com/DavidLeyonhjelm/status/912197007799750657

  153. Arky

    This guy Petheric, an expert of some sort, on Bolt is explaining his view of evil. He says there is no such thing, we just don’t have enough information about an atrocity, that we don’t know all the reasons.

    Beaut.
    I can do anything I want and not be evil, just misunderstood.
    Now, who am I gonna tie up and force to watch me BBQ their wife and root their Chihuahua?
    Oh God. Did I just type that out loud?

  154. Arky

    Stimpson, you have a Chihuahua, don’t you?

  155. Chris

    That gun dealer theory is all very well.
    Its quite possible that a person might travel that many firearms around to rent a table at a gun show and sell them. Gun shows are huge there. Used to be that small dealers had an FFL (Federal firearms license) to be real dealers. But the BATF(Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms E, part of Treasury) mounted a program to get rid of them with excessive paperwork and fees, and the hobby level guys dropped out of that system.
    40 guns is hobby level.

    It does not explain why his brother didn’t think he was a gun enthusiast.

  156. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpson, you have a Chihuahua, don’t you?

    I have no idea where Ren is or when he’s coming back.

  157. Crossie

    Stimpson, you have a Chihuahua, don’t you?

    Hide your chihuahuas when Arky is about.

  158. Snoopy

    Why the fuck should a ‘think tank’, the Grattan Institute, be planning to lobby the NSW and Victorian governments to introduce a congestion tax? They’re not a think tank at all, merely a government-funded GetUp!.

  159. Crossie

    Roger
    #2513900, posted on October 3, 2017 at 7:48 pm
    Journalists are, by and large, now in cahoots with the political class.

    The Fifth Estate is now blogdom.

    This has been the case for a while now. What’s even worse, I think journos are plagiarising blogs. A few times I would see something discussed on a blog and then it would appear on the nightly news a few days later.

  160. Arky

    Hide your chihuahuas when Arky is about.

    ..
    Hey.
    I’m the misunderstood victim in all this, man.

  161. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    This has been the case for a while now. What’s even worse, I think journos are plagiarising blogs. A few times I would see something discussed on a blog and then it would appear on the nightly news a few days later

    The fauxservative crew that parades itself as Australia’s media often rip stuff off from these open threads.

  162. zyconoclast

    Unlocking devices with fingerprint or iris recognition is becoming a matter of course. But Private Eye’s ‘Funny Old World announces dickometrics , the first penis recognition system for use on porn sites.
    ‘Basically if you have a penis, you can use that instead of a password. Just upload a photo of it to our website, and whenever you log on, we’ll use our proprietary Penis Recognition Technology to match your penis to your account. Like a finger print or an eyeball, the penis has many differentiating factors like size, colour, skin composition and vein protrusion . . . As yet the technology isn’t there for women, but we’re working on it.’

    Does not specify if uploaded photograph requires said member to be at rest or rampant.

    I think a device that requires you to insert your pen!s for the ID is the preferred method.

  163. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hide your chihuahuas when Arky is about.

    I am certain Ren is somewhere in Venezuela, and occupying a very high position, possibly a General.
    It is the only possible explanation for their madness.

  164. Roger

    But it was never “politically, religiously or ideologically motivated”, was it AFP

    Police really ought to be strongly advised not to publicly comment on the motivations or lack thereof of offenders. Thinking also of the recent case in Melbourne where an Assistant Sergeant advised media it was a mental health case. Maybe so, but a) he is not qualified to make that determination and b) it could prejudice subsequent proceedings.

  165. JC;

    Tel
    I think that conspiracy can be discounted as unlikely, but it’s not a zero.

    When it’s all done and dusted, if this bloke was a regular, I would put some money on the line that management at the floor level knew he was dealing in guns.
    They didn’t think it would go as sour as it did, if the scenario above happened – dealer gets bumped off, shooter/s do a mass shoot and walk out, leaving a fresh corpse on the floor.

  166. rickw

    It does not explain why his brother didn’t think he was a gun enthusiast.

    It also doesn’t explain the full auto fire, unless others came prepared to strip out the trigger groups and remove parts or modify them on the spot.

    Having firearms with even components from select fire weapons puts a dealer in serious trouble, even if the gun won’t operate in full auto. So the dealer scenario requires those that did the job to do on the spot modifications.

  167. Makka

    But it was never “politically, religiously or ideologically motivated”, was it AFP

    DL having a bet each way.

  168. Delta A

    They say that growing old is no laughing matter. This weatherman disagrees. (15 mins long.)

    https://www.youtube.com/ embed/LR2qZ0A8vic?rel=0

  169. Roger

    The fauxservative crew that parades itself as Australia’s media often rip stuff off from these open threads.

    Bolt in particular.

  170. zyconoclast

    Not to be picky but because I just found this out and want to share it:
    ‘Sewerage is the infrastructure that conveys sewage or surface runoff (stormwater, meltwater, rainwater) using sewers. It encompasses components such as receiving drains, manholes, pumping stations, storm overflows, and screening chambers of the combined sewer or sanitary sewer.’

    correct.

  171. zyconoclast

    This is the way narcissists commit suicide.

    So why are we still waiting for Rudd and Maocolm?

  172. rickw

    Access to the millions of licence pictures would allow surveillance cameras armed with facial recognition technology to scan crowds looking for a match with suspected terrorists and criminals.

    Seems like wearing a burqa is a good idea after all.

  173. Bear Necessities

    RIP Tom Petty.

    One of my favourite rock ballads was his duet with Stevie Nicks “Stop Dragging my heart around”. Refugee was also a great tune. Don’t come around here no more was different but grew on you over time.

    With the Heartbreakers or the Wilbury’s he was always interesting to listen to.

  174. Chris

    The Fifth Estate is now blogdom.

    This has been the case for a while now. What’s even worse, I think journos are plagiarising blogs. A few times I would see something discussed on a blog and then it would appear on the nightly news a few days later.

    Yes, ideas and research are very short among journos and trawling websites is the favoured way of getting them.
    But I had that experience in the days before blogs: write a ripper Letter to the Editor, and its not published but a few days or weeks later an article is published which references some fact or point from the letter.
    I used to be proud of my published ones; once got top letter in the Weekend Australian, as well as goes in BRW and the West.
    One of my best was responding to R Ambrose Raven (Friends of the ABC) in the Western Suburbs freebie; he had a little gloat about another internal enquiry vindicating the ABC of bias and I got stuck in. Had a little old lady ringing up to congratulate me, and a nutter sending me stuff about freemasons and Wussia. (Oh sorry srr, didn’t see you under that lampshade!)

  175. Delta A

    Oops. That link didn’t work. Just chat amongst yourselves while I (try to) work this out.

  176. zyconoclast

    Vicky 🇬🇧‏ @2tweetaboutit 49m49 minutes ago

    Surprise, surprise Rise in transgender reversals, says a top surgeon at popular clinic http://dailym.ai/2hJ6HsN @theresa_may @DHgovuk

    Who pays for the op and then re-op?

  177. rickw

    But what motivated him? It’s just too easy to say he was mentally ill when you consider the detail, planning and effort that went into the kill zone. This almost looks like military style in planning – clear ambush and field of fire tactics. Has Habib and Mater given any opinions on this?

    Mentally ill typically can’t do extensive planning, takes to long, they want revenge, their whatever, islamic terrorists on the other hand have shown they can develop and execute plans that take years.

  178. Chris

    Who pays for the op and then re-op?

    The Australian Army.

  179. rickw

    Who pays for the op and then re-op?

    Forget about that, there’s a business opportunity!

    “Junk On Ice – you thought you’d never want it back, we knew better!”

  180. Chris

    “Junk On Ice – you thought you’d never want it back, we knew better!”

    Boerwors! Fine Boerwors! Get ’em while they’re ‘ot!

  181. egg_

    .What’s even worse, I think journos are plagiarising blogs.

    Methinks Micallef reads the Cat, going by his content and likely target audience.
    Insiders featured the Thermomix*, FFS.

    *Whose name should not be mentioned.

  182. Roger

    Methinks Micallef reads the Cat, going by his content and likely target audience.

    Yes, I’ve noticed that too.

  183. Perfidious Albino

    +1 Snoopy.

    Grattan advocating a congestion charge, 70% increase in parking levies and cheaper public transport. Presumably the former to fund the latter…

  184. Muddy

    Zulu.
    A book about Gen. Gordon Bennett. I don’t know if he’s had a substantial biography before?

  185. OneWorldGovernment

    Chris
    #2513871, posted on October 3, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    Something needs to be done to teach these ignorant goat-herds and herdesses a thing or two about how things operate in this country. First up: no stand, straight to the cells until you find some legs.

    Oh. I was hoping for something involving security dogs and cattle prods.

    Chris,

    Several lifetimes ago I worked for a Stock & Station Agent and I had a “Blue Healer” dog at the time. It would rip the nose off or ‘ham hock’ some of the largest beasts I have seen in Australia.

    But you talk about cattle prods!

    I was working this race (shute) to load cattle on a truck after a sale one time and this f*ing enormous half Brahmin/? with horns that would barely fit inside the race.

    Now I’m carrying a zapper but I took one look at this thing and I said to myself, I’m out of here and clambered to the top of the fence.

    The bloke I was standing beside, the buyer, shorter than me but solid nuggety type of bloke took one look at this huge enraged animal and charged it.

    All he had was about a metre long length of ‘polly pipe’ taped at both ends full of stones.

    He wacked that bull so hard on the nose that it nearly sat down. He stopped it in its tracks. Then it got up and trotted onto the truck.

    I’ve often thought of that when I see antifa or other types of society disruptive agitation.

  186. Roger

    Grattan advocating a congestion charge, 70% increase in parking levies and cheaper public transport. Presumably the former to fund the latter…

    The goal is to get the peasants off the highways and eventually the byways, unless by foot or bicycle.

    Helps to keep them under control.

  187. pete m

    one old bruce
    #2513726, posted on October 3, 2017 at 5:49 pm
    Stimpy, I always pictured you as a woman, like Darryl Hannah in Bald-Runner.

    Did it star Doomy?

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4943148/Family-dead-Manus-Island-refugee-want-body-sent-free.html#ixzz4uQZWPio5

    F.M.S. – this rooster tops himself, and his family claims the “Australian Government took him from them.”

  189. Entropy

    How come we didn’t get an ABS postal survey on government funding for single women to access IVF?

  190. Muddy

    Stimpson, you have a Chihuahua, don’t you?

    I have no idea where Ren is or when he’s coming back.

    Hmm, so you didn’t get the ransom note I sent you? Effing Australia Post. ‘Overnight guaranteed’ my Chihuahua. I want my money back.

  191. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu.
    A book about Gen. Gordon Bennett. I don’t know if he’s had a substantial biography before?

    Thanks, muddy – my copies in the mail. I have read a couple of books about his time in Singapore – I didn’t know before that Bennett had his hand up for Blamey’s job – but I’m unaware of any substantive biography.

  192. marcus classis

    Arky, do you have to bind up the chihuahuas with masking tape first, so they don’t explode?

    Asking for Bob Brown.

  193. Snoopy

    Poor Leigh Sales did not get the answers on gun control she was fishing for. That bloke won’t be asked back.

  194. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sooner or later someone’s going to bring up Paddock’s genetics as a contributing factor.

    As I constantly remind both myself, and my mentally ill brethren,
    reasons for behaviour are not excuses for behavior.

  195. Muddy

    Zulu.
    I recall reading somewhere that both Rowell and Lavarack could have been contenders for the big fella’s job, or at least he felt threatened enough by them to sideline them. Rowell certainly got whacked out of Papua, but I don’t know much about Lavarack.

  196. srr

    Sargon Of Akkad On Trump, Google And Who’s Really In Charge
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    Sep 29, 2017
    In this video, Luke Rudkowski of WeAreChange gives you the latest breaking news with Sargon Of Akkad on google, U.S President Donald Trump, and who is really in charge of the world.

  197. Tel

    Having firearms with even components from select fire weapons puts a dealer in serious trouble, even if the gun won’t operate in full auto. So the dealer scenario requires those that did the job to do on the spot modifications.

    Ummm, the “dealer scenario” is that the guy was NOT a legit dealer, and unlikely to be overly worried about those fine points n that. His “customers” probably are still in possession of the best kit he had to offer.

  198. Gab

    CBS fired one of its top lawyers after she said she’s “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting since “country music fans often are Republican gun toters.” .

    Probably what the Trump hating shooter thought too.

  199. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu.
    I recall reading somewhere that both Rowell and Lavarack could have been contenders for the big fella’s job, or at least he felt threatened enough by them to sideline them. Rowell certainly got whacked out of Papua, but I don’t know much about Lavarack.

    Lavarack had served under Blamey during Wobbly Wobbly One, and they didn’t get on too well.

  200. Fisky

    Oooh look. The “Bring Them Here” crowd (which includes about 90% of the “libertarian” movement) are on a real winner with their latest refugee poster victim. Dutton666 will be quaking in his boots!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4943148/Family-dead-Manus-Island-refugee-want-body-sent-free.html#ixzz4uQZWPio5

    Sri Lankan Manus Island refugee, 32, who ‘killed himself’ was facing rape charges for ‘sexually assaulting a teenager three times’ – as his family demand his body be flown home for FREE

  201. Tel

    When it’s all done and dusted, if this bloke was a regular, I would put some money on the line that management at the floor level knew he was dealing in guns.

    Very plausible, but very hard to prove because anyone even remotely involved would be in a panic right now and keeping the lowest profile possible.

  202. Fisky

    David Manne‏
    @david_manne
    Following
    More
    Fact is: Tamil #refugee who just died on Manus was forced there by Aust & held in cruel, inhuman detention. His death was utterly avoidable.

    Oh dearie me! Terrible judgment…

  203. Crossie

    Methinks Micallef reads the Cat, going by his content and likely target audience.

    Yes, I’ve noticed that too.

    I wouldn’t watch Micallef if you paid me and it ticks me off even more that I am paying him with my 8 cents per day.

  204. Infidel Tiger

    Let’s assume the guy was a dealer of firearms… why the fuck did he now doesn 250 people?

    Nothing makes sense.

  205. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #2513994, posted on October 3, 2017 at 8:53 pm
    Let’s assume the guy was a dealer of firearms… why the fuck did he now doesn 250 people?

    Nothing makes sense.

    Yes.

  206. Makka

    I can’t buy into the “dealer” scenario. Who is he selling to – Mexicans? Gangs? That part of the US is crawling with ATF. The scenario calls for him to be at it for years. Hard to believe he could operate for a long time and not be busted especially as he has no crim cunning to fall back on.

  207. candy

    Nothing makes sense.

    The Filopino woman would know a lot. He had her ID. If that was by force she has no reason not to come forward? Where is she and what are the authorities doing about her, are my questions.

  208. Rabz

    But Private Eye’s ‘Funny Old World announces dickometrics , the first penis recognition system for use on porn sites.

    Ant Weiner could not be reached for comment.

  209. Siltstone

    Poor Leigh Sales did not get the answers on gun control she was fishing for. That bloke won’t be asked back.

    yeh, but it was all edited to make sure that a statment that “machine guns are not legally for sale” was not included in the broadcast. ABC want their audience to think such weapons are picked up any day at Walmart.

  210. Nick

    RickW, I was in Brunswick today. A lesbian wearing a Yes T shirt with two kids in tow, walked past as I looked in the window of a bookshop, only to see an inner North kids book, ‘A is for anarchy’. Someone had vandalised a chalk board of a place selling steak,saying that meat was murder, the Cornish Arms pub had vegan options for most things, one church had some sort of gay altar set up in a window in support of the Yes vote, times have changed.

  211. John Constantine

    Gun owners will have their licence photos on the State database before car owners.

    The State can use crushing force to combat deplorable gun owning terrorists that use non progressive thought crime language online.

    Must convict a diverse range of criminals of terrorism, it is racist to fail to convict colonial settler culture Nazi racists of terrorism at every opportunity.

    Waleed said so, Comrades.

  212. Boambee John

    Muddy
    #2513957, posted on October 3, 2017 at 8:27 pm
    Zulu.
    A book about Gen. Gordon Bennett. I don’t know if he’s had a substantial biography before?

    The Fall of General Gordon Bennett by AB Lodge and Guilty or Innocent by Mark Clisby both cover the Malayan Campaign and Bennet’s subsequent career. Lodge covers his early career briefly.

  213. Fisky

    How incredibly fortunate! SSM supporters must be so relieved.

    The man who was accused of driving a burning van into the Australian Christian Lobby’s Canberra headquarters has died.

    Jaden Duong, 36, was found dead by ACT Police yesterday afternoon. His death is not being treated as suspicious. Police are preparing a report for the ACT Coronor.

  214. Crossie

    Paul Murray has jumped the shark. He thinks we should offer our help to Americans to change their laws.

    Yeah, on top of all the other Malcolm and Julie Bishop missteps this will go over really well.

  215. Infidel Tiger

    Paul Murray is a deeply stupid man.

  216. Makka #2513796, posted on October 3, 2017 at 6:34 pm
    No doubt covered in the Cat but FMD , what a Nazi that CBS exec must be to publicly express his smug satisfaction that all those Republican voting country music lovers were slaughtered in Vegas.

    FYI Makka, the “exec” was a female, a lawyer in the legal dept, and very much an SJW type.
    Judging by her photo she’s aged in her Twenties.

  217. Boambee John

    I read another book that covered Bennett recently, but can’t recall the title at tge moment.

    Perhaps later?

  218. marcus classis

    Winston

    letter in the mail

  219. What I mean Makka, is you can stop puzzlin’ yerself about how a hard nosed revenue-driven “business” executive who has climbed the dog-eat-dog ratings driven corporate ladder at CBS could be stupid enough tweet such a thing. (Twitter bein’ a public forum ‘n’ all.)

  220. Crossie

    Paul Murray keeps digging. Now he thinks Obama establishing an alternative to NRA with millions of member on whom he could call to mobilise is a good thing.

    Does he not realise that is a civil war?

  221. Crossie

    What I mean Makka, is you can stop puzzlin’ yerself about how a hard nosed revenue-driven “business” executive who has climbed the dog-eat-dog ratings driven corporate ladder at CBS could be stupid enough tweet such a thing. (Twitter bein’ a public forum ‘n’ all.)

    Hardly hard-nosed. Well connected is the operative principle in her career progression. She seemed to have been occupying the executive suite since graduation.

  222. Makka

    FYI Makka, the “exec” was a female, a lawyer in the legal dept, and very much an SJW type.

    Serena,

    Thanks, yes MrsM informed me of this as well.

    Fear not, I wasn’t puzzling. I was trying to point out that this scum was only saying what her mates on the left actually believe and no doubt express in private. However, being a stupid SJW living in her totalitarian fantasy bubble , she thought it ok to say what “everyone” already thinks.

  223. egg_

    Sri Lankan Manus Island refugee, 32, who ‘killed himself’ was facing rape charges for ‘sexually assaulting a teenager three times’ – as his family demand his body be flown home for FREE

    Sure – in an urn via Marrickville tip yard’s recycling centre.

  224. Crossie

    Paul Murray is a deeply stupid man.

    The thing is he didn’t used to be.

  225. Boambee John

    DESCENT INTO HELL by Peter Brune discusses Bennett and his travails as part of the story of the 8th Division, covers the subject quite well, but definitely not a biography.

  226. Muddy

    Thanks Boambee John. I’m not sure where I stand in that debate. How different was Bennett from MacArthur, apart from MacArthur apparently being ‘ordered’ to escape? I’m presently helping a former U.S. National Guard Lt. Col. research and write her Masters of Military History, but it’s a struggle because she’s not read much else apart from “American Caeser” and she’s using the same tired clichés and hero worship in regards to ‘The Great One.’ I’m not as patient as I used to be.

  227. JC

    FYI Makka, the “exec” was a female, a lawyer in the legal dept, and very much an SJW type.

    Yes. For decades known as a special breed of human species. NYC lawyer c..t.

  228. Arky

    Nigel Farange is pro gun control.
    I wish people from other English speaking nations would stop critiquing the US constitution.
    A. What business is it of yours how Americans organise themselves. and:
    B. Yes. Their concerns about an out of control government and tyranny is realistic. Look at Venezuela.

  229. John Constantine

    Anybody that opposes the Great Replacement and the craven capitualtion of Australia as our elite kleptocrats sell us out to the great transnational looting cartels is like, literally, a Nazi terrorist.

  230. twostix

    Before the late nineteen eighties, mass shootings and acts of senseless violence were relatively unheard of. Prozac, the most well known SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) antidepressant, was not yet on the market. When Prozac did arrive, it was marketed as a panacea for depression which resulted in huge profits for its manufacturer Eli Lilly. Of course other drug companies had to create their own cash cow and followed suit by marketing their own SSRI antidepressants.

    Mass-society creates madness.

    Whether the treaments for the madness or the madness itself are the cause of all this modern mayhem is open for discussion.

    But the modernist nonsense about acts of senseless violence being unheard of until 1989?

    Stupido. After the mega slaughter of the first of of last century one generation were worn out with violence.

    Now we’re just returning to the norm.

  231. twostix

    The American people have had ample opportunity to “do something” about their gun control laws.

    At the height of the gun control campaign they chose to elect pro-gun politicians and parties to nearly every legislature and executive position in the country.

    Americans are really going to turn further inwards if retards in dying / fake / failed western states don’t shut their pie holes.

  232. C.L.

    Their concerns about an out of control government and tyranny is realistic. Look at Venezuela.

    That’s true, Arky, but I made this point earlier today: the 2nd amendment hasn’t stopped the rise of tyranny and out-of-control state lawlessness in the United States.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    That’s true, Arky, but I made this point earlier today: the 2nd amendment hasn’t stopped the rise of tyranny and out-of-control state lawlessness in the United States.

    Only because most of the populous are ignorant of the Constitution and the rights it gives them.

  234. Arky

    It has n ‘t stopped it.
    But it has probably slowed it.
    The Bundy episode shows that.

  235. twostix

    Something especially revolting about pom’s – standing ankle deep in blood due to their willfully mad recently enacted policies (which could be reversed in a single sitting of parliament) – going on about Americans.

  236. Infidel Tiger

    Nigel Farange is pro gun control.
    I wish people from other English speaking nations would stop critiquing the US constitution.
    A. What business is it of yours how Americans organise themselves. and:
    B. Yes. Their concerns about an out of control government and tyranny is realistic. Look at Venezuela.

    Proper Brits hate the 2nd Amendment because it is a constant reminder that those damn Yankees threw them out.

    Farage would love to take the 13 colonies back.

  237. Stimpson J. Cat

    Paul Murray is a deeply stupid man.

    Beards can have that effect on people.
    I’ve seen it before.
    Exhibit A: Hipsters.
    Exhibit B: Muslims.

  238. Snoopy

    Paul Murray is a deeply stupid man.

    The thing is he didn’t used to be.

    Whatever Janine Perrett has must be contagious.

  239. rickw

    RickW, I was in Brunswick today. A lesbian wearing a Yes T shirt with two kids in tow, walked past as I looked in the window of a bookshop, only to see an inner North kids book, ‘A is for anarchy’. Someone had vandalised a chalk board of a place selling steak,saying that meat was murder, the Cornish Arms pub had vegan options for most things, one church had some sort of gay altar set up in a window in support of the Yes vote, times have changed.

    It’s a fucking complete communist shithole, completely out of step with the rest of the country and reality for that matter. Where the fuck did all these idiots suddenly spring from?!

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