Some thoughts on Las Vegas

Watching the dismal story coming out of Las Vegas does bring many thoughts to mind, not least because we had just been there in July. In no particular order:

Whether or not they are responsible, ISIS is happy to say it was their doing. Ethical rules of war are not exactly their longest suit. They are just murderous swine whose only war aims, if we could can use the term, are essentially unknown. Psychopathic killers with no discernible outcome in mind other than to become modern versions of Tamerlaine and create their own piles of skulls.

The first item of news we heard about the killer is that he was someone who had lost a tonne of money at the casinos and had perhaps gone round the bend. But we have now heard he had just sent $100,000 to the Philippines the day before. Not exactly bankrupt, was he? Where did the money come from? There is a story there but will we ever find out?

Most importantly, was he really a one-man show, able to get such a complex logistical process exactly right on his very first attempt with no outside help? It’s possible, but so are alternative versions of how it happened.

He cannot have been a registered Republican because if he were we would have known already, and then some. We shall see whether this can be attached to the right, and then we will never hear the end of it, or attached to the left – like the shooting of Steve Scalise (who?) – and it will disappear into the mists of time like everything else of its kind.

Donald Trump’s response was on a human level, describing these killings as evil. Hillary, along with the left in general, responded on a political level – not willing to let any crisis go to waste – immediately associating these deaths with the need for gun control.

Tribalism is the darkest most unrelenting province of the left. On the right we actually like the idea of an open society where anyone can come live among us by following the rules: tolerance, hard work, self-direction, independence. The left are filled with envy and hatreds that only every so often come to the surface in a way that normal people on this side of the fence can recognise for themselves. The left’s chosen enemy is the Judeo-Christian culture of the West. We are barely able to understand how truly foreign their views are because we don’t think that way at all.

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44 Responses to Some thoughts on Las Vegas

  1. Defender of the faith

    Kates: are you drunk?

  2. Boambee John

    Defender

    Are you on ice?

  3. RobK

    Regarding the Mandalay perpetrator: I’m inclined to think his efforts to film the event possibly reinforces the martyrdom motive….or just some Looney (less likely). I wonder if it was streamed to his instructors.

  4. Mark M

    NSW AG Mark Speakman says some civil liberties have to be sacrificed to protect the public from terror.
    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/915462301741805569

    Isn’t this exactly what the terrorist’s want?

  5. candy

    The one thing we pretty surely know is that he was not a registered Republican voter.
    Otherwise – white supremacist shoots dead 60 people and injures 500.

  6. candy

    the martyrdom motive….or just some Looney (less likely).

    I agree, narcissim, martyrdom, and also leaving a mystery about why. A creative lunatic.

  7. Sean

    It’s strange to accuse the left of tribalism and then essentially frame the issue as:

    ‘for the left it’s always political’

    essentially politicising their repsonse as an attack on the right.

  8. squawkbox

    Extremely weird – he takes about 20 guns with him, when he only needs one. Sounds a bit like a small child insisting on travelling with all her cuddly toys. And sets up cameras to record everything – what’s the point when you know the cameras and their contents will be captured by the authorities before anything could be broadcast?

  9. NB

    ‘We are barely able to understand how truly foreign their views are because we don’t think that way at all. ‘
    Not just that. Often the views have no coherence, do not rest on logic or evidence, are self-defeating, contradictory, hypocritical. No system of ideas is immune to these things, but the left trail of failure shows how extreme these failing are.

  10. RobK

    Squawkbox,
    I got the impression he used most of them, all loaded at the start. At that rate of fire cooling off of each would have been required.

  11. Sean

    What are the chances he planned this all in a few weeks and kept his partner in the dark? Seems like a shit load of weaponry to acquire so quickly.

  12. Fergus

    Live streaming to his controllers/own website/youtube?
    Cameras couldn’t have just been for the cops.

  13. Fergus

    According to an Australian nephew , he already had a significant collection.

  14. rickw

    Live streaming to his controllers/own website/youtube?
    Cameras couldn’t have just been for the cops.

    A distinct possibility.

  15. rickw

    According to an Australian nephew , he already had a significant collection.

    An Australian would think that the one rifle and couple of handguns that his brother thought he owned would be a significant collection.

  16. Snoopy

    An Australian would think that the one rifle and couple of handguns that his brother thought he owned would be a significant collection an arsenal.

  17. Muddy

    The only thought I have on the matter is that the media has been convulsing from repeated orgasms over the opportunity to pose, preen, and demonstrate their moral superiority. There is something depraved about actually ‘getting off’ (which I do mean in a sexual way) using the violent death of others.

  18. ISIS is happy to say it was their doing.

    Interesting psychological warfare. If not true it will tie up a truckload of investigative resources for months, for no result. If true, it will give the towelheads the kudos they crave.

    Whatever the truth, the authorities will blame it on the old angry white men.

  19. Yohan

    Tribalism is the darkest most unrelenting province of the left. On the right we actually like the idea of an open society where anyone can come live among us by following the rules: tolerance, hard work, self-direction, independence.

    Sure thing Steve. People on the right love the idea of every Somali, Bangaldeshi and other 3rd worlder flooding into western countries, as long as they ‘follow the rules’. Its only those evil leftists who want tribalism and identity politics.

    Have you been reading too much Conservatism Inc?

  20. egg_

    Was anyone killed by falling fridges of death?

    /Q&A

  21. overburdened

    Stick to what you know.

  22. pbw

    Part of a longer video by a taxi driver who was waiting at the Mandelay Bay when the shooting broke out. You can hear the bursts, with substantial intervals, and the variations in the sound of the weapons.

  23. Over 300,000 children are murdered every year in the US and their body parts sold to the highest bidder. All of this is adamantly supported by the Left. Evidence of this was suppressed by court order because it showed the perpetrators in a poor light. Planned Parenthood indeed.

  24. John L

    Everybody is obsessed with the action of the perp. Media is having the continuous orgasm counting how many guns he did have, how many bullets, what kind of gun automatic, semi-automatic, fully automatic, converted and so on.
    Psychiatrist and psychologist will write volumes debating if he was sane or insane, what was his motive and reason. Was it planned or spur of the moment action and so on.
    Unless he had an accomplice, all of that is irrelevant after the act.
    In the meanwhile, what is really relevant is being swept under the carpet. The only thing that is really relevant is the action of the police, in particular, why it took the police 72 minutes from the time of the first to the time they banged on his door!
    Political correctness?!?!?
    Why it took 18 hours and death of the hostage before the police took an action in Sydney cafe siege?
    Political correctness?!?!?
    Was anyone held responsible for the action (inaction) in Sydney siege? No, they were praised for the “bravery”.
    Will anyone in the police command be held responsible for this massacre? No, it will be swept under the carpet.

  25. Empire GTHO Phase III

    #2515000, posted on October 4, 2017 at 9:08 pm
    It’s strange to accuse the left of tribalism and then essentially frame the issue as:

    ‘for the left it’s always political’

    essentially politicising their repsonse as an attack on the right.

    No he didn’t. Your comment doesn’t make sense.

  26. Deplorable

    France has seen some of the deadliest terrorist attacks in Europe in the past years. Over 200 people have been killed since early 2015 by assailants having pledged allegiance to or been inspired by the Islamic State terrorist group. In a series of coordinated attacks in Paris on November 13, 2015 alone, 130 people were killed by IS terrorists. On Bastille Day in 2016, a truck was driven into crowds of people celebrating in Nice, killing 86 and injuring over 450.

    So there it is ,what’s this about gun control. Evil is evil and nutters are nutters .

  27. bollux

    23 guns? Really? That’s like taking 10 getaway cars to a bank robbery, and why aren’t the MSM running with the taxi drivers dash cam showing the shots from the 4th floor.

  28. Chris M

    You can hear the bursts, with substantial intervals, and the variations in the sound of the weapons.

    Possibly. But clearly changing firing location is a large part of the sound variation.

  29. tgs

    While I generally agree with most of this post, it’s pretty funny to see Kates claim that tribalism is the sole province of the left.

    Kates is the most rabidly tribalist commentator on this site.

  30. pbw

    Chris M,

    But clearly changing firing location is a large part of the sound variation.

    OK, but how many options did he have if he was targeting the same venue?

    Also, to my ear, there is a noticeable variation in the rate of fire between different bursts.

  31. Shane

    We as cats know there’s no such thing as a stupid question,

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-five-things-that-just-dont-add-up-about-the-las-vegas-mass-shooting.html
    1: As many as 10 rifles were found in his hotel room… but only one shooter?
    #2: As with many orchestrated shootings, the scapegoat was murdered before he could talk
    #3: Why are there no muzzle flashes visible from the 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay windows in any of the videos that captured the shooting?

    ”If you look at the shooting videos that have been posted online, none of them show any muzzle flashes from the room on the 32nd floor that we’ve been told is the source of the shooting. How can that be? The following video captures the sound of the automatic weapons fire — and even appears to capture at least TWO weapons firing simultaneously — yet shows no muzzle flashes from the 32nd floor windows of the Mandalay Bay hotel.”

    #4 Why does the gunfire in multiple online videos clearly sound like automatic weapons fire from MULTIPLE weapons?

    #5: ISIS has openly claimed responsibility for the attack, stating that Paddock “converted to Islam” months earlier
    #6: Stephen Paddock had no familiarity with automatic weapons and no military training; was not a “gun guy”
    #7: How does a 64-year-old accountant with no military training possess the strength and stamina to fire a fully automatic weapon for nearly 10 minutes?
    …”People who aren’t familiar with firearms have no idea how difficult it is to conduct sustained fire with an automatic weapon. It requires tremendous strength, endurance and training — something that Stephen Paddock had none of. Military special forces operatives train for years to be able to manage such weapons and handle all the problems they pose (barrel overheating, ammo jams, double feeds, recoil management, etc.). The idea that some senior citizen accountant can just pick up a machine gun and lay down thousands of rounds of effective fire in a sustained, 10-minute assault even though he had no experience with such weapons is completely ludicrous.”
    #9: Stephen Paddock has no criminal history, no record and no apparent beef with anybody
    #11: How was the FBI able to almost immediately declare Paddock had no ties to ISIS — barely 12 hours after the shooting — when the same agency has spent over a year investigating President Trump with zero evidence linking him to Russia, all while refusing to declare Trump has no ties to Russia?

    & even more chillingly telling
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-03-five-more-things-dont-add-up-las-vegas-massacre-expended-brass.html

    & then finally the location literally in front of a sphinx & pyramid replica

  32. Kates is the most rabidly tribalist commentator on this site.

    Nonsense. Kates supported Trump against the grain of most of the libertarian/ centre right commentariat.

  33. Vicki

    If the bloke was psychopathic (as it appears his father was), there is really no point in agonising over motivation. Psychopaths are motivated by whatever dark thing lurks in their soul.

    There are more of them on the streets than we would care to know about. Fortunately, in this country (for the most part) it is harder for them to acquire automatic weapons.

    Although I am still intrigued by the insistence of IS that he had converted, we simply need stronger evidence for this connection to be credible.

  34. PB

    “Extremely weird – he takes about 20 guns with him, when he only needs one. Sounds a bit like a small child insisting on travelling with all her cuddly toys. And sets up cameras to record everything – what’s the point when you know the cameras and their contents will be captured by the authorities before anything could be broadcast?”

    But if you are an illegal arms dealer?

  35. egg_

    Conspiracy wonks are losing it over Paddock, and I fully understand it.

    One version is that he gave up work at 35. This was a bloke who was a postman, then did some low-key auditing work for the IRS and defense contractors. Then he wound up with numerous homes, two aircraft, and spent his time playing $10k hands at the casino.

    Maybe this bloke got real good at poker, I dunno. Weird stuff.

    Shades of the movie “American Made” currently doing the rounds.

  36. harry buttle

    Vicki, there was a jeweler in seven hills who was selling exact working copies of MAC 10 SMGs to the criminal community. about 6 months ago just using a google search I downloaded the production plans for a Sten gun (I then deleted them, I don’t want a Sten, I just wanted to know how hard it would be to get the plans) but you could easily build Stens in a school grade metalwork shop, the Crim up in Qld who murdered a police constable a couple of months ago used a chinese made assault rifle and SAPol found what appears to be an M16 or M16A1 in a traffic stop last week.

    Criminals don’t have much trouble getting automatic weapons here.

  37. Chris

    We as cats know there’s no such thing as a stupid question,

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-five-things-that-just-dont-add-up-about-the-las-vegas-mass-shooting.html

    Assuming the consequent, begging the question, loading questions with implication – conspiracy thinking 101. Not worth your time to piss on it.

  38. Diogenes

    1: As many as 10 rifles were found in his hotel room… but only one shooter?

    If he did even a modicum of research he would have realised that the bump stock causes jams and muzzle overheat – We used to carry a spare barrel for the M60 for that very case

    #2: As with many orchestrated shootings, the scapegoat was murdered before he could talk

    May still be suicide – I await the coroner’s verdict (ME)

    #7: How does a 64-year-old accountant with no military training possess the strength and stamina to fire a fully automatic weapon for nearly 10 minutes?
    …”People who aren’t familiar with firearms have no idea how difficult it is to conduct sustained fire with an automatic weapon. It requires tremendous strength, endurance and training — something that Stephen Paddock had none of. Military special forces operatives train for years to be able to manage such weapons and handle all the problems they pose (barrel overheating, ammo jams, double feeds, recoil management, etc.).

    This is why he had 10 weapons , doesn’t have to worry about any of that. I am closer to 60 than 50 and I would have no problem putting 1000 rounds through an M60 today, I can even still do the stoppage drill even though I haven’t touch the gun in 20 years.

    Not prepared to speculate on the rest

  39. egg_

    Definitely a fruitcake family, given the brother’s recent behaviour and father’s history.

  40. Oh come on

    As I said on another thread, if anything this just goes to show how pathetic and impotent ISIS has become. Their claim of responsibility, and that Paddock was one of their “soldiers” when no one knows a damn thing about the guy’s motivations, smacks of desperation. No one is buying the ISIS connection. The guy’s father was a notorious psychopath. Hrmmmm Islamic extremist or psychotic nutter?

  41. Shane

    ” Chris
    #2515791, posted on October 5, 2017 at 8:02 pm ”We as cats know there’s no such thing as a stupid question,
    …………………..Assuming the consequent, begging the question, loading questions with implication – conspiracy thinking 101. Not worth your time to piss on it.”
    Its good to catch up with an incurious Cat.
    Cats are usually curious. especially on this blog.
    (”Lance deHaven-Smith has …. suggested that the term was deployed in the 1960s by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to discredit John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.”)
    The only question which may turn out to be too uncomfortable for you, is does your dismissal of conspiracy thinking still apply when there are a whole lot of small inconsistent details which bring into question your comfortable version of reality?

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