Wednesday Forum: October 4, 2017

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  1. zyconoclast

    …obsolete Australians…

    Sad chuckle.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    Grant will host a 9pm panel discussion program on ABC News Channel

    “Tangent” of course.

    tangent
    /ˈtan(d)ʒ(ə)nt/
    noun
    2. a completely different line of thought or action.

  3. Mitch M.
    #2515477, posted on October 5, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    Very long article. About time they got this sorted out.

    Thanks for the link, Mitch. A very long article but well worth the read by anyone who thinks the F-35 fighter program is salvageable. (Farted in your general direction, Marcus.)

    What a joke our Defence acquisition is. Stealth fighter planes that aren’t stealthy and can’t even fly, let alone fight. Helicopter Landing Ships with no helicopters. Not that it matters – their engines are RS anyway. Obsolete subs that can’t submerge. Destroyers that may, or may not, be finished some decade soon. Main battle tanks rotting in a field because we can’t afford to maintain them.

    Forget China. Right now we would be in strife if we were invaded by a war canoe full of determined, angry, spear-wielding warriors from Bouganville.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle

    A fantastic little twitter thread on why Catalonia and its commie govt will fail despite Russian meddling

    One picture says all you need to know.

    Mapping Europe’s Secessionist Movements

    I think they might have missed a few also.

    List of active separatist movements in Europe

    I wonder if they’d all get a vote and a commissioner in the European Commission? They’d need a bigger round table. Maybe the Poms would lend them Wembley stadium.

  5. Chris

    Interesting map, thanks Bruce of N

  6. Infidel Tiger

    Have you noticed how pro- Catalonian the western media are?

    Alarm bells should be deafening everyone.

  7. herodotus

    Now as the publicity ramps up for Halloween, will the same people who are constantly railing against the “obesity epidemic” in children call out Halloween as unnecessary and unhealthy?

    It’s not as if kids have insufficient access to sweets these days – in fact not for the past 70 years or more.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Apparently a ‘drought-breaker’ is on its way. Big wet forecast for next week.
    Flannery said to be distraught. Just when things were going his way.
    He should read ‘Kings in Grass Castles’ and bone up on the major droughts of yesteryear.
    And the big wets that followed.

  9. Snoopy

    Have you noticed how pro- Catalonian the western media are?

    Alarm bells should be deafening everyone.

    As is Fisky.

  10. zyconoclast

    One picture says all you need to know.

    Mapping Europe’s Secessionist Movements

    Sounds like a good idea. Smaller devolved governments closer to the populace.

    How would they stand up to much larger and aggressive opponents that are not concerned about body counts?

    Mohammedans, I’m looking at you.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    Have you noticed how pro- Catalonian the western media are?

    Have you noticed how silent about the Kurdish referendum the western media are?

    The MSM needs a good abolishing.

  12. rickw

    Paddocks brother most recent interview and body language.

    Forget about the body language, this is getting even weirder just listening to him:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg_Z-oEEt-c

  13. Flannery said to be distraught. Just when things were going his way.

    Lizzie – he makes mOnty look like Nostradamus.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    As is Fisky.

    Fisk wants maximum disruption. He has his own agenda.

    I’m not sure if it’s evil yet but I agree with him 90% of the time.

  15. Roger

    Have you noticed how pro- Catalonian the western media are?

    Socialist, multicultural, anti-authoritarian, led by a journalist…what’s not to like?

  16. Myrddin Seren

    Overall, 18.9 per cent of Muslims aged between 16 and 74 are currently in full-time employment, according to the SMC.

    That is significantly less than the 34.9 per cent figure for the adult population of the UK overall.

    Is this a normal adult employment rate for a developed country ?

  17. Infidel Tiger

    I see famous in the 1990’s fauxservative Andrew Bolt is now doing the same thing to guns as he did to SSM.

    He’s voting Yes and demanding more regulation of the most law abiding people on the planet but demanding it be done in a civilised manner.

    Fraud.

  18. Tel

    Have you noticed how silent about the Kurdish referendum the western media are?

    It’s very weird, the US have been militarily helping the Kurds (and quite open about it) while at the same time they discouraged any independence talk (constantly coming up with “now is not the time” as if they ever were going to decide there would be a time). Meanwhile, IMHO the Kurds are pissing off all the right people:

    https://southfront.org/turkish-and-iranian-presidents-met-in-tehran-to-discuss-iraqi-kurdistan-independence-referendum/

    Sadly, looks like no one will actually back the Kurds… the Russians have decided to maintain loyalty to Assad (there’s sensible strategic reasons for that) and the USA are well known for turning on a dime when it comes to allies, especially when those allies are no longer useful.

    But once again… Kosovo.

  19. egg_

    Paddocks brother most recent interview and body language.

    Definitely narcissistic – was bro the Patsy?

  20. cohenite

    That is significantly less than the 34.9 per cent figure for the adult population of the UK overall.

    34.9% employment means 65.1% unemployed.

  21. Geriatric Mayfly

    BOM drops a special climate statement explaining why it was so hot in September
    We all lived through it, but today the Bureau of Meteorology made it official that September 2017 had some significantly hot days.

    Weatherzone, a Fairfax outfit, pumping up BOM’s tyres. Best snow cover in 25 years, but the current hot news at Weatherzone is: that it’s all melting.

  22. Diogenes

    Mapping Europe’s Secessionist Movements

    Crikey the East Frisians are looking for independence.
    snirk, chortle
    In Germany the East Frisians are the ones with all jokes told about them – in the same way as we tell Irish jokes.

    Not surprised about Bavaria , even in the early 80s bumper stickers for Freistaat Bayern, and “I bin i Kingi Faen” (I am a fan of the king) accompanied by an image of mad Ludwig were very popular.

  23. Mitch M.

    Thanks for the link, Mitch. A very long article but well worth the read by anyone who thinks the F-35 fighter program is salvageable. (Farted in your general direction, Marcus.)

    The F-35 Program Continues to Stumble

    Thanks Memory Vault. If it was a commercial contract there would be lawsuits aplenty. Why anyone thought the F-35 could perform in a close air support role is beyond my comprehension. There a reason there is a titanium shell around the pilot of an A-10, a very rugged and excellent design for CAS. They are now looking at a newer CAS aircraft, the Navy looks like it will be relying on super hornets, and the air force doesn’t have enough F-22s but fortunately the F-15 remains capable as long as it steers clear of newer radar and SAM threats.

    The USA has invested so much in the F-35 when it would have been better off building more F-22s though I suspect they are already designing a 6th gen. We should be cancelling the order and looking elsewhere. BTW, Germany and France are about to start design of a new fighter bomber.

  24. Robber Baron

    I am watching Spears Tonight. Everyone he is interviewing is supporting further government control via sharing driver licence data. All part of the Turnbull bollard defence strategy because muslims will need a drivers licence to buy/hire a vehicle with which to run down people.

    No chance of anyone with a fake licence hiring a van.

    No possibility of any identity theft.

    Turnbull has it all under control. We are all safe. Vote 1 Turnbull Coalition Team because …. they are not Labor.

  25. zyconoclast

    Overall, 18.9 per cent of Muslims aged between 16 and 74 are currently in full-time employment, according to the SMC.

    That is significantly less than the 34.9 per cent figure for the adult population of the UK overall.

    Is this a normal adult employment rate for a developed country ?

    It is for a country heading to “developing” status.
    In a few years, the 34.9% —> to 18.9%,
    The local population will be the same as the invading population.

    Gap closed, white privilege destroyed.
    You know it makes sense.

  26. Gab

    YOUNG Muslims are being shut out of British society with just one in five adult Muslims in work, a report said today.

    Did anyone bother to determine/investigate how many actually applied for jobs? No, of course not as that would spoil the evil white Western employers narrative.

  27. Atoms for Peace

    Any stats on ethnic groups who work exclusively in the black economy UK?

  28. cohenite

    Conservatism is dying. Could Islam help save it?

    David Sergeant Spectator Australia 5 October 2017

    Francis Schaeffer: ‘A co-belligerent is a person with whom I do not agree on all sorts of vital issues, but who, for whatever reasons of their own, is on the same side in a fight for some specific issue of public justice.’

    Most readers of the Spectator Australia will not need me to remind them that we are fighting and losing a culture war. The results of this conflict will define the future of everything we value and believe in.

    However, for a while now, I’ve wondered. Where exactly does Islam fit into the secular scheming of the radical-left?

    The left and Islam are in uneasy coalition

    It is the left who have been the biggest cheerleaders for Islam. It was they who flung open the doors to mass Islamic immigration. Indeed, they sent out ‘search parties’ designed to ‘rub the right’s nose in diversity.’

    Their plan was executed successfully. By 2030, conservative estimates predict that there will be 5.6 million Muslims in the United Kingdom, 5.6 million in Germany and 6.9 million in France. Already, major European cities have considerable Islamic minorities. 22 per cent of Birmingham is now Islamic. Likewise, 40 per cent of Marseille. Australia is a little way behind. Nonetheless, the recent national census revealed a 77 per cent increase in the Islamic population in the last decade. The faith is now Australia’s second largest.

    But why did they do it?

    Islam is: Patriarchal, traditional, collectivist and pious. Yes, the modern left is similarly authoritarian. However, the values and ideas it endeavours to propagate stand in vivid contrast with Quranic principle. Hedonism, Individualism and post-materialism are the theology of the left.

    There are two primary reasons for the lefts vehement support for Islam. Firstly, their desire to undermine any remaining remanence of Christian cultural identity. Second, their historic opposition to anybody in a position of authority. As Islamic arrivals are relatively new additions to the societal social fabric, they do remain somewhat underrepresented in: ‘the corridors of power.’ Therefore, the left feel that they owe it to Muslims to privilege the Islamic community.

    This is a blinding contradiction. Liberals now control and define every institution in the English-speaking world. It is they who are the establishment. They who are the West’s dominant cultural movement.

    Comparatively, Ben Shapiro argues that the left aligns with Islam because they believe that multicultural-warfare is a quicker and more effective way to bring down civilisation than their previously preferred class-battle. They imagine, that they can unite with other demographics who wish to see society change, bring everything crashing down, and then: ‘build on the ashes’.

    In reality, Islam and the left are not the firm friends many imagine them to be. They are simply allies of convenience.

    Each attempt to use the other to further their own objectives. The left is using Islam to undermine monoculturalism and topple an establishment, that, ironically, they control. Further, they recognise that, at least in the short-term, an influx of foreign citizens will result in an increased vote share. Finally, they wish to signal their own virtue.

    https://www.facebook.com/dallas.beaufort/posts/10155128063879370

  29. rickw

    Paddocks brother most recent interview and body language.

    Definitely narcissistic – was bro the Patsy?

    Paddock was either the patsy, or the leader that others followed, but not all the way.

    This is no one man show.

  30. Jo Smyth

    Have just been listening to Mark McGowan on Speers. I don’t often agree with McGowan but when he says it is better to live in WA and having visited and stayed in all the major cities over east, on several occasions, I have to agree with him. Waiting for the sandgroper insults….

  31. Marcus

    I am watching Spears Tonight. Everyone he is interviewing is supporting further government control via sharing driver licence data. All part of the Turnbull bollard defence strategy because muslims will need a drivers licence to buy/hire a vehicle with which to run down people.

    Has anyone pointed out yet that they couldn’t even run an electronic cencus, or a tax portal that doesn’t need to be shut for maintenance every week?

    The Australian government isn’t exactly Harold Finch, is it?

  32. zyconoclast

    The F-35 Program Continues to Stumble

    Thanks Memory Vault. If it was a commercial contract there would be lawsuits aplenty. Why anyone thought the F-35 could perform in a close air support role is beyond my comprehension. There a reason there is a titanium shell around the pilot of an A-10, a very rugged and excellent design for CAS. They are now looking at a newer CAS aircraft, the Navy looks like it will be relying on super hornets, and the air force doesn’t have enough F-22s but fortunately the F-15 remains capable as long as it steers clear of newer radar and SAM threats.

    The thread is beginning to sound like old generals fighting the last war.

    The F-22 Fighter Jet Restart Is Dead: Study

    Sorry, Raptor fans. As many expected, the F-22 restart will never happen.

    And the No. 1 reason is cost, according to a new study.

    In a classified report submitted to Congress this month, the Air Force estimated it would cost approximately “$50 billion to procure 194 additional F-22s, at an estimated cost of $206 million to $216 million per aircraft,” officials told Military.com on Wednesday.

    “The total includes an estimate of approximately $9.9 billion for non-recurring start-up costs and $40.4 billion for aircraft procurement costs,” the service said.

    Fighter or attack aircraft type, Average cost per flight hour, 2008–2012 (CY $):

    F-22A Raptor – $68,362

    F-15C Eagle – $41,921

    F-15E Strike Eagle – $32,094

    F-16C Fighting Falcon – $22,514

    A-10C Thunderbolt II (Warthog) – $17,716

    MQ-9A Reaper – $4,762

    F-35A Lightning II – $32,554

    F-16C Fighting Falcon – $25,541

  33. Robber Baron

    I’m going to count how many times Paul Murray says “l’m voting yes in the same sex marriage equality survey” just to make sure his “cred” with the lefty world he lives in keeps the cash rolling in. Just like Bolt. Both are fake conservatives. It’s obvious to all.

  34. egg_

    Conservatism is dying. Could Islam help save it?

    Ali Kadri seemed to be complaining about being bashed by the Christian Right that seemed to imply that Muslims have more in common with the Right than the Left, who should be their natural enemies, but they’re just in bed with them for convenience – ditto the Left IMHO – uneasy bedfellows of convenience.

  35. rickw


    No chance of anyone with a fake licence hiring a van.

    Unless muslims have infiltrated motor vehicle registries and licence authorities, which they have.

    Those cars aren’t going to rebirth themselves you know!

  36. Tel

    Sorry, Raptor fans. As many expected, the F-22 restart will never happen.

    Unless the US ever finds itself in need of genuine air superiority such that the F-15 / F-16 combo cannot achieve.

    I should point out that the Russians now have something that’s a very close equivalent to the F-15. FWIW.

  37. cohenite

    Conservatism is dying. Could Islam help save it?

    Ultimately and inevitably islam kills everything else.

    Any muslim, any time, any place

  38. cynical1

    How can a 62 y.o. woman be ‘a girlfriend’ ?

    The same way a 62 y.o man can be a “wife”.

  39. Tel

    YOUNG Muslims are being shut out of British society with just one in five adult Muslims in work, a report said today.

    Shut out??!? Or simply not interested in getting along?

    I mean everyone else is expected to conform to a certain basic social norm in order to achieve employment. Deviation in any way can and will get you booted, and the “Progressive” movement are perfectly happy for such rules to apply to people like James Damore so why is it difficult to accept that these same basic rules also apply to everyone?

    What is it with the Left and hypocrisy?

    Maybe if they started getting interested in genuine diversity, then others might also decide to be more tolerant. I’m just throwing that out there. Two way street and all that.

  40. The thread is beginning to sound like old generals fighting the last war.

    What – four comments by three people amongst 1,030 over two days.
    We’re hardly hogging the thread.

    Besides, I find the recurrent, continued waste of tens of tens of billions of taxpayers’ dollars at a time, slightly more relevant locally than a doomed Spanish independence movement, or even the latest American massacre. To each his own.

  41. Pedro the Ignorant

    YOUNG Muslims are being shut out of British society with just one in five adult Muslims in work, a report said today.

    .

    Occam’s Razor says they are just bludgers and happy to suck up taxpayer funded welfare, aka jizyah, as their due.

  42. Snoopy

    YOUNG Muslims are being shut out of British society with just one in five adult Muslims in work, a report said today.

    Hey, they could emigrate to somewhere with better prospects. I know. Just a thought.

  43. Bruce of Newcastle

    The thread is beginning to sound like old generals fighting the last war.

    Yep. I doubt there’ll seriously be a 6th gen fighter mass produced, at least not one with an onboard pilot. The US is doing development on aerial and subsea drone platforms. The cost benefit would be awesome compared with the skyrocketing cost of manned aircraft and subs.

    Our F-35 budget may not be wasted but I suspect the conventional subs budget will be.

  44. candy

    Julie Bishop complaining of sexism.

    What hope do ladies of much lesser positions have of speaking up if they are bullied, if Ms Bishop, the Foreign Minister, at 60 years of age, intelligent, a woman of the world, at parties with the highest political leaders of the world, is so mousey and scared that she cannot speak up if a man in the workplace ignores her.

    Sadly, she is no role model. Or, she’s lying to have a crack at Tony Abbott.

  45. jupes

    My take on the new ‘counter-terrorism measures’:

    I like the idea that they can hold suspected terrorists for two weeks. I’d be happy if they held them until they die or better still booted them out the country.

    As for facial recognition technology, I am not happy that they will use it on everyone with a drivers licence. After all, there are plenty of suspected terrorists without a licence.

    Worse still, the dress of choice for terrorist’s wives in Australia is the niqab. How’s that for idiotic? They will know exactly where I am but Fatima al-Bollardi can roam wherever she wants without anyone knowing.

    Australia would be far safer if they used the facial recognition technology on everyone who enters a mosque while simultaneously banning facial coverings.

  46. jupes

    Hey memoryvault do you have any comment to my post from 11:19 this morning?

    I debunked your stupid and ignorant claim regarding ballistics.

    A simple “sorry, you are correct” will do.

  47. min

    MT interviewed by Tracey Grimshaw was asked if he was putting in facial recognition technology what would he do about burka and niqab. Waffled on and did not answer.r

  48. Joe

    My take on the new ‘counter-terrorism measures’:

    1. Ignore or assist those that would perpetrate terror.
    2. Punish the law abiding and ensure that the maximum deaths occur for each act of terror.
    3. Politicians to be protected from the terrorists and the public at all costs.

  49. Nerblnob

    Take all this as you will. In short I have no idea. Maybe we should ask drought expert Tim Flannery…btw another hot rocks project has gone kaput:

    Green Energy Debacle: Multi-Million-Euro Geothermal Power Plant Shuts Down After 8 Years Of Endless Troubles (yesterday)

    Haha.
    I worked on those wells (geothermal wells generally done in pairs – cold water in, hot water out) and many others in the Munich area.

    This is not Hot Dry Rock like Geodynamics ill-fated multi-millionx100 dollar project to power the Innamincka pub. (did some proposals for drilling those too)

    Geothermal in the Southern Bavarian Molasse drills into a hot aquifer that is not in direct contact with the hot rock so is relatively low temperature (100-150deg at bottom). However, TVD (total vertical depth) is relatively deep (around 2500m near Munich airport to 4500m around Starnbergersee lake – southern commuter towns to Munich if you don’t know the area), and has to be directional because in closely-settled residential/rural area so drilling is technical and expensive.

    Money comes from German government via local municipalities. Your end client might be Stadwerk München via various contractors. Also, for any power, feed-in tariffs (from 2012) are guaranteed by federal German govt for 20 years.

    Also, the grid operator is compelled by law to take any electricity generated and to provide grid connections as a priority whether they want to or not.

    This looks to me like a huge cost on consumers and a good example of the many “hidden subsidies ” on renewables anywhere.

    I’m an upstream guy, a drilling guy, so not really involved in downstream/production etc, but I’ve taken a look at the power generation side onsite and been talked through it and it’s a piffling amount. The domestic hot water part of it looks more efficient, but whether cost-effective, I don’t know.

    What is amusing is that the drilling is exactly the same as hydrocarbon drilling – very deep and far more potentially dangerous than “fracking” wells – and in fact there are numerous gas pockets in the area. One geothermal well had a big blowout last year from one such pocket.

    Loads of Greenie protestors, you might think?
    Not.A.Single.One.

    During the blowout the townspeople came to look at the pretty lights from the gas flaring.

  50. Infidel Tiger

    Muslims that feel shut out could always move to places more in keeping with their affliction.

  51. jupes

    MT interviewed by Tracey Grimshaw was asked if he was putting in facial recognition technology what would he do about burka and niqab. Waffled on and did not answer.r

    Wow. At least a journalist asked the question. I didn’t expect that.

  52. John Constantine

    Car rebirthing, cooking ice, trading child rapebrides and import/export aren’t jobs?

    How racist, Comrades.

    Your online casual racism is being noted by turnbullites, will be crossmatched to your drivers and shooters licence and tax office file.

    Your robot smartmeter will be programmed to provide the penalty priced bottom level of electricity rations, along with the rest of the racists and your income tax rate will reflect the extra budget repair levy charged to racists and your council rates will have the racism surchage and your medicare file will be stamped ‘do not resucitate’, spare parts for mohammed only.

    The Final Solution to the racism problem is just through the gates under the big sign:

    “Work makes you Non-Racist”

    Comrades.

  53. Nerblnob

    Also check this sloppy prediction on Wiki:

    Unterhaching project

    The ecological and economic success of this project has been certain …

    certain, my arse.

    Germany has some oil & gas – check out the fantastic Mittelplate project in the Elbe delta and there are several fields dotted around the country, but they don’t dare develop any more because of fanatical opposition by Greens and ordinary citizens stoked up by nonstop media propaganda.

    Only thing I’d say, with Germany being an engineering country, the pro-drilling voice is not completely suppressed like it is in Australia. But it’s still vastly outgunned by the nutters.

  54. srr

    What’s New & Mysterious In Las Vegas Massacre?, 1817
    The Still Report

  55. Hey memoryvault do you have any comment to my post from 11:19 this morning?

    Nah, Jupes. As I said in my last comment on the matter, I’m not going to debate the issue with someone who desn’t actually know anything about it.

    Back in the Eighties I was very involved in the pro-survival and anti-gun law movements at the time, amongst other things. One of the main reasons for moving my family to SE QLD in 1988 was the opportunity to work with people like a group of licenced firearm dealers and gunsmiths. We had a jolly time playing with ideas over the next few years.

    Without going into detail, let me repeat what I also said yesterday: There’s a reason every second perp in Australia isn’t running around with an easily obtainable, self-loading rifle converted to full auto. That reason is that it amounts to little more than the destruction of a perfectly good firearm.

  56. srr

    This is not a good omen –

    RFE/RL‏Verified account @RFERL 19m19 minutes ago

    Before & after:
    https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/915880837559791616
    a monument to the people who died during the Euromaidan protests of 2013-2014 was vandalized today in Kyiv.

  57. Infidel Tiger

    MV you are beclowning yourself.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nerblnob – Thanks for your entertaining comment! I really only scanned the article this morning, although I think the biggest issue was materials selection in the ammonia circuit. Which figures. Doing that sort of thing for the first time is always a challenge, as the WA nickel HPAL people could tell you.

  59. John Constantine

    Lynyrd Skynyrd on foxtel arts, just did:

    God and Guns.

  60. John Constantine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDjQkGql9r8

    Lynyrd Skynyrd

    “there was a time when you could rest all night with your doors unlocked, and your peacemaker in your bedside drawer.”

  61. John Constantine

    Luxuries We Can No Longer Afford.

    According to their yarragrad Nazgul, civil liberties are an unaffordable luxury here in the smoking ruins of a once free nation.

    I can think of a few other unaffordable luxuries that bankruptcy and balkanisation will sweep from our reach.

    It is instructive to see the range of luxuries afforded by the new Chinese colonial powers as they redevelop Zimbabwe’s agricultural sector.

    The Murray Darling Basin, as the Chinese of the 2030’s redevelop it into a foodbowl after the ravages of the Australian left’s clearances of racist irrigators, will offer similar levels of luxuries to Australian stoop-labour as the Zimbos can afford now.

    Poor fella my country, now so wealthy we can no longer afford civil liberties.

    No wonder the Comrades want all the guns centrally controlled now.

  62. Infidel Tiger
    #2515851, posted on October 5, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    MV you are beclowning yourself.

    Maybe so, IT.
    But we clowns cry too.

    Time for some more MidSomer Murders.

  63. JC

    Just so I get it, Vaultaire’s latest conspiracy scoop is that the bullets couldn’t go as far as they did because the weapon used was technically incapable to kill that far. Therefore Paddock was a patsy while the real killing and shooting was done by others. The sounds of the gun blasting away was a hoax embedded in the vids to deceive it was Paddock. The real killers have gotten away. Am I on the right track?

  64. C.L.

    One of the great bands in history – the Bee Gees – being honoured by the Grammys (on one of the TV channels). I think this event took place a while ago but I was keen to see it. Keith Urban just did You Don’t Know What It’s Like. Dude can really sing and really rock, I’ll give him that.

  65. jupes

    Nah, Jupes. As I said in my last comment on the matter, I’m not going to debate the issue with someone who desn’t actually know anything about it.

    Mate you project better than a lefty projectile vomiting. You are fucking clueless. Here are the main points of our argument.

    Me (discussing the effects of the bullets on the victims) : So in the initial stages at least, each bullet would go through more than a couple of people depending on whether it hit bone or whatever.

    Projectorvault: Jupes, a standard length barrel .223, converted to full auto, and firing “military” ammo in long bursts, would be lucky to cause a serious flesh wound at 400+ metres after the first few seconds or so. Let alone every single round causing multiple deaths/injuries.

    Me (stating the ballistics of the 5.56 Nato round): The standard NATO round will penetrate 3.5mm mild steel at over 600 meters.

    Projectorvault: … Suffice to say we are talking about self-loading firearms converted to full auto. As such, your statistics relating to stock-standard weapons are irrelevant.

    There are reasons why every second armed crim isn’t running running around with an easily-obtainable self-loading rifle, converted to a machine gun, and one of the main ones is the loss of fire-power efficiency, as the return piston and cylinder heat up.

    Me: First of all we are talking about the speed of the bullet at certain ranges not “fire-power efficiency” (whatever that is) …

    The speed of the bullet is determined by the type of round and type of barrel. The heat of the return piston (which the standard AR 15 does not have BTW) and cylinder is irrelevant. The speed of the bullet is the same whether it is being fired automatically or semi-automatically

    Projectorvault: Without going into detail, let me repeat what I also said yesterday: There’s a reason every second perp in Australia isn’t running around with an easily obtainable, self-loading rifle converted to full auto. That reason is that it amounts to little more than the destruction of a perfectly good firearm.

    First of all, that isn’t what you said yesterday. Yesterday you said that conversion caused a loss of “fire-power efficiency” (whatever the fuck that is), now you say it causes the “destruction of the firearm”. I disagree with both statements, however they are both irrelevant to my point that each bullet would go through more than a couple of people depending on whether it hit bone or whatever.

    The highlighted para is basic ballistics. Your point about “fire-power efficiency” is bollocks on stilts. Go away and get a clue then come back and apologise.

  66. JC

    If his is the conspiracy, he’s a fucking amateur in the specialized field of conspiracy nutballary.

  67. BrettW

    The Grimshaw question was also played on Price/Bolt. Great question by Grimshaw about the burkha being worn would make the technology useless. What I found ridiculous was that clearly Turnbull had no answer to a question that would obviously going to come up some time. His response indicates burkhas going to get an exemption. I guess AFP has not yet identified which group most likely to engage in terrorist activities. In fact bending over backwards to avoid any indication that known group might be involved despite the numerous cases already known.

    min
    #2515841, posted on October 5, 2017 at 9:08 pm
    MT interviewed by Tracey Grimshaw was asked if he was putting in facial recognition technology what would he do about burka and niqab. Waffled on and did not answer.r

  68. jupes

    What I found ridiculous was that clearly Turnbull had no answer to a question that would obviously going to come up some time.

    There is no answer to the burqa question so it is not surprising that Turnbull couldn’t answer it. What is surprising is that the idiot didn’t stick to the ABC, where he could be sure that the question wouldn’t be asked.

  69. Snoopy

    I understand that the hotter a barrel becomes, the larger its internal diameter will be. This must reduce muzzle velocity. But if a 5.56 Nato round will penetrate 3.5 mm mild steel at over 600 metres via a cool barrel, it must still do serious damage to human flesh, at say, 80% muzzle velocity over 400 metres.

  70. Northshore Redneck

    Jupes,

    Coming in late to the spat, but the NATO rounds are FMJ no? Something to do about wounding not killing.

    Softer projectiles that bloom on impact would be less likely to penetrate as much, let alone go through multiple victims.

    Do we know what ammo the pos was using?

  71. If his is the conspiracy, he’s a fucking amateur in the specialized field of conspiracy nutballary.

    My “Conspiracy Theory” JC, since you obviously missed it last night.

    I’ll grant, not nearly as juicy as some of the crap you – and others were suggesting at the time. But given today’s revelations, probably pretty close to the mark.

    Now back to MidSomer Murders.

  72. cohenite

    jupes

    #2515867, posted on October 5, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    What I found ridiculous was that clearly Turnbull had no answer to a question that would obviously going to come up some time.

    There is no answer to the burqa question so it is not surprising that Turnbull couldn’t answer it.

    What an arsehole turdball is. Let’s hope Australia can survive the (alleged) rapist and drug-dealer’s wife before and Abbott and Hastie return.

  73. Snoopy

    Softer projectiles that bloom on impact would be less likely to penetrate as much, let alone go through multiple victims.

    Are you prepared to put it to the test?

  74. rickw

    One for the machinists, beating chatter, funny as shit as well:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=po5VUW3I8P8

  75. Northshore Redneck

    Are you prepared to put it to the test?

    If you insist Snoops. Grab 2 weird beards or greenies and stand in front of them.

    Its for science and all.

  76. Fergus

    Something like the bottom picture walked past in the city a few days ago. Have seen a few lately and they weren’t fishing.
    http://sunprotection.com.au/4-ways-wear-adapt-cap/

  77. JC

    Moneyvault.

    If you believe, as you said last evening, it would be technically impossible to kill people with that type weapon at such a distance, then the cascading logic must be

    Paddock was a patsay, as others did the shooting and the sounds of automatic weapon bursts must have been faked….. perhaps on some giant speakers or the faked in the vids vids.

  78. H B Bear

    “What about the sack people?” is the first question Sir Humphrey would have asked PM Hacker. Waffles can’t even do comedy. I guess that makes his government a tragedy then?

  79. John Constantine

    The burkha is not worn by deplorable and obsolete Australian racist settler males, these being the legal licence holders targeted by the turnbullites as the greatest threat to their Great Replacement population ponzi scheme.

    Their turnbull genuinely never thought anybody would take his legislation for a split second as seriously aimed at muzzies, not the real enemy within.

    Like Bollards, the new legislation is not meant to protect the proles from isis, but meant to protect the corrupt looters of Australias kleptocracy from us.

  80. egg_

    the hotter a barrel becomes, the larger its internal diameter will be

    Not just leak around the projectile, but the projectile itself is able to rattle and rebound off different parts of the barrel as the leaks occur, reducing the useful effect of the rifling and creating randomness in the actual vector of the projectile relative to the muzzle.

  81. rickw

    I understand that the hotter a barrel becomes, the larger its internal diameter will be. This must reduce muzzle velocity. But if a 5.56 Nato round will penetrate 3.5 mm mild steel at over 600 metres via a cool barrel, it must still do serious damage to human flesh, at say, 80% muzzle velocity over 400 metres.

    Where did the 3.5 mm steel at 600m come from? Are we talking about the airport tanks? Not many API 650 tanks have a shell less than 6mm thick.

  82. rickw

    Not just leak around the projectile, but the projectile itself is able to rattle and rebound off different parts of the barrel as the leaks occur, reducing the useful effect of the rifling and creating randomness in the actual vector of the projectile relative to the muzzle.

    Machine gun barrels are typically made slightly undersize to compensate for this.

  83. jupes

    Coming in late to the spat, but the NATO rounds are FMJ no? Something to do about wounding not killing.

    The 5.56 Nato round is FMJ and is an armour piercing round. It can pass through a lot of flesh before it stops e.g. several bodies packed close together at a music festival. However if it hits bone it is seriously damaging. It is designed to be lethal. See here.

    Softer projectiles that bloom on impact would be less likely to penetrate as much, let alone go through multiple victims.

    This is true and there are soft nose 5.56 rounds with similar ballistics to the Nato round. I suspect if Paddock had used these he would have had more kills but less injured.

  84. Arky

    Take a look at this chart for NFL ratings the last four years:

    http://cdn1.thecomeback.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/94/2016/11/Viewership-Among-All-Adult-Demos-Chart.jpg
    ..
    Ratings in all demographics are down. Male, female, black, white, Hispanic, young, old.
    Viewing by American males aged 18 to 49 was down 15% in the last four years. Most of that drop has occurred since Colin Kapernick began his sit down anthem protests during the 2016 pre- season.
    If this year sees a similar ratings drop the cumulative effect could be to the effect of losing almost a quarter of their audience in that demographic.

  85. jupes

    Where did the 3.5 mm steel at 600m come from?

    It is the specification of the round. See here (under fire power).

    It has nothing to do with airport tanks rather I was just pointing out to MV that he is wrong that the bullets would hardly cause a flesh wound at 400m.

  86. egg_

    Any increase in bore diameter will allow the bullet to shift. This can cause gas to leak past the bullet, affecting the velocity, or cause the bullet to tip, so that it is no longer perfectly coaxial with the bore.

  87. Snoopy

    Any increase in bore diameter will allow the bullet to shift. This can cause gas to leak past the bullet, affecting the velocity, or cause the bullet to tip, so that it is no longer perfectly coaxial with the bore.

    Paddock wasn’t looking for head shots, he was firing into a crowd.

  88. Wtf is “FMJ”? The term is “Military Ball”.
    I’m not a big user of .223 and can’t comment. I’ve fired NATO 7.62 through 8 inches of Rosewood post, without a problem. I’ve also seen it go clean through a brumby, bone & all, with the exit wound just large enough to be seen (the entrance was quite difficult to find, being considerably less than 7.62mm in diameter) I have no doubt that same round would go clean through a minimum of Two brumbies at the boniest point of each, with minimum deformation of the projectile.

    I’ve also regularly found that military 7.62 will not penetrate any more than 3 inches into moist black soil.

    Couldn’t begin to imagine how many lined up humans you’d go through with one military round of 7.62

    Not sure how many humans you’d get with NATO 5.56 but there’s no way in hell I’d volunteer to be any closer than the Tenth in line if someone is conducting a test.

  89. Any increase in bore diameter will allow the bullet to shift. This can cause gas to leak past the bullet, affecting the velocity, or cause the bullet to tip, so that it is no longer perfectly coaxial with the bore.

    Yep. This would have cause Paddock serious problems if he was taking a pot shot at a particular public figure, say he was trying to drop a kill shot into the drummer of the band playing on stage.

    For firing into a crowd of 20,000 with his eyes shut? Wouldn’t make a cracker of difference.

  90. egg_

    Snoopy
    #2515892, posted on October 5, 2017 at 10:56 pm

    Yeah I was thinking more about velocity, but some barrels may be slightly undersized and improve when warm.

  91. JC

    Paddock wasn’t looking for head shots, he was firing into a crowd.

    No he wasn’t. He was killed by black op guys and it was made to look like he was the one shooting. We know for ballistics engineer, Vaultaire that it would be impossible to kill people at that range. So what happened was that there were black ops guys in the crowd, shooting randomly at people. There were also giant speakers around the concert area pushing out the sound of gun fire to make it appear the shooting was coming from Paddocks room. Brilliant plan.

  92. Yeah I was thinking more about velocity, but some barrels may be slightly undersized and improve when warm.

    The little I know about driving tacks type shooting, the barrel has got to be warm. However a barrel that is “bluddee hot” and may glow in the shade, is inadvisable if you’re hoping to win.

  93. JC

    On a serous note, Paddock’s shooting was a pattern of stop and go, which suggests he was replacing weapons.

  94. Natural Instinct

    Serena look over on leyonhjelm for some support

  95. Arky

    rickw

    #2515874, posted on October 5, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    One for the machinists, beating chatter, funny as shit as well:

    ..
    Just put that in my favourites. Good stuff. Funny bloke.

  96. Actually, the condition of the inside of the barrel is more important than anything else.
    I had a stark demonstration of the difference this makes, very early in my shooting experience.
    Thus I was tediously pedantic and thorough with cleaning the inside of the barrel.
    I did more reading about how to keep metal fouling out of the rifling, than about anything else.
    And more time running a cloth up & down the inside of the barrel than I did pulling the trigger.
    At times it felt like I was using more Hoppe’s than I was beer.

  97. egg_

    The little I know about driving tacks type shooting, the barrel has got to be warm.

    (Internal) Ballistics ain’t my hobby, but from reading the various fora, appears ARs are more prone to accuracy issues with increasing barrel temperature, understandably; velocity would likely require testing/measurement rather than anecdotes (presumably, penetration with range is a good indicator).

  98. C.L.

    FMD.
    Can we have a Vegas thread for the enthusiasts?

  99. Ballistics ain’t my hobby, but from reading the various fora, appears ARs are more prone to accuracy issues

    Call me Nostradamus, but I’ve a feeling accuracy was about the last thing on the list of requirements for the role filled by the AR.

  100. egg_

    I’ve a feeling accuracy was about the last thing on the list of requirements for the role filled by the AR.

    Thus likely also severe leakage and reduction in muzzle velocity when approaching cherry red.

    /Blind Freddy

  101. Is this a deliberate joke from Breitbart?
    Egyptian Government Crackdown on Homosexuals Spreads with More Anal Examinations

  102. Stimpson J. Cat

    It was pretty lonely. I would be sitting in a cabinet with 19 men and me

    That’s a big f$cking wardrobe.

  103. rickw

    It has nothing to do with airport tanks rather I was just pointing out to MV that he is wrong that the bullets would hardly cause a flesh wound at 400m.

    Ah, ok. Black Knight sort of flesh wound at 400m.

  104. I have a guest post on the politics of SS’M‘ over at Briggs’s place. His place is always worth a visit.

  105. twostix

    Quite the quickening we’re experiencing right now.

    We all know deep down what’s coming.

  106. calli

    Hanoi is the most insane place on earth.

    This evening I took a bicycle rickshaw ride to the puppet theatre through seething masses of motor scooters and SUVs. My smile became the rictus grin of fear as vehicles gently nudged us along or wove in front and across our path. Meanwhile pedestrians, clearly a lower life form, tried to cross the road. I felt sorry for an elderly woman carrying panniers of custard apples on a rod slung over her shoulder.

    My rosy cheeks on arrival were due to the copious amount of carbon monoxide inhaled on the way.

  107. Farmer Gez

    What! No cows on the road Calli?
    Dream run compared to East India.

  108. Steve trickler.

    I had no idea Natalie Trayling existed….. until about 20 minutes ago. Probably well known in Victoria?



  109. zyconoclast

    The thread is beginning to sound like old generals fighting the last war.

    What – four comments by three people amongst 1,030 over two days.
    We’re hardly hogging the thread.

    Besides, I find the recurrent, continued waste of tens of tens of billions of taxpayers’ dollars at a time, slightly more relevant locally than a doomed Spanish independence movement, or even the latest American massacre. To each his own.

    My failed attempt at humour.

  110. Fat Tony

    For the .223, my old Hornady book gives a velocity of over 1700 feet/sec at the 400 yard distance with a 55 grain projectile.

    For comparison, the .22 long rifle cartridge has a muzzle velocity of around 1400 feet/sec for a 40 grain projectile.

    I wouldn’t like to be hit with a .223 at that range.

    Serena put a .308 through an 8″ rosewood post. I shot a .30/06 through 8″ of spotted gum (edge on to a piece of 200 x 100 – 8×4). Those old style cartridges are brutal.

  111. Mark A

    Steve trickler.
    #2515927, posted on October 6, 2017 at 12:20 am

    I had no idea Natalie Trayling existed….. until about 20 minutes ago. Probably well known in Victoria?

    Don’t feel bad Steve, I usually become aware of the existence of singers/artists when I hear about their demise on this forum.

    A wealth of information this is, even if not appreciated.

  112. calli

    What! No cows on the road Calli?

    They were there. But in bits on tables, tails hanging from hooks.

  113. calli

    We have run out of USD. The Beloved is going to try his luck in Ha Trung street tomorrow so we can pay for our Cambodian visas (a slight and uncharacteristic miscalculation on our part).

    The banks are only allowing him to withraw $1M dong ($150) a day. We have been spending big-time. 🙂

  114. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From egg_ at 10:53 pm:

    “Any increase in bore diameter will allow the bullet to shift. This can cause gas to leak past the bullet, affecting the velocity, or cause the bullet to tip, so that it is no longer perfectly coaxial with the bore.”

    Yeah, I knew that! 😉

  115. OneWorldGovernment

    Have THEY cut the COAL fired power off to the ACT yet?

  116. zyconoclast

    The banks are only allowing him to withraw $1M dong ($150) a day. We have been spending big-time.

    Withdrawing 1 million dongs.
    Sounds very impressive and possibly painful.

  117. JC

    Muslim female tells flight attendants she’s allergic to dogs, says she has a life threatening allergy to them. Get dumped off plane and now reckons she was racially profiled. Obviously this is going to be a lawsuit.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyer-southwest-targeted-muslim-woman-forced-off-flight/

    She’s lying. There was no racial profiling and she wasn’t dangerously allergic to pooches. That’s just bullshit.

    Let me say this though, dogs should be in the cargo hold.

  118. Mark A

    calli
    #2515933, posted on October 6, 2017 at 12:37 am

    We have run out of USD. The Beloved is going to try his luck in Ha Trung street tomorrow so we can pay for our Cambodian visas (a slight and uncharacteristic miscalculation on our part).

    The banks are only allowing him to withraw $1M dong ($150) a day. We have been spending big-time. 🙂

    Sight miscalculation?
    Calli I work in the middle of the EU but have to go to places outside of the main stream if you like.
    USD or even AUS is king if you run short or the banks limit you, which they do, we are allowed a withdrawal of $750 AUD a month without a charge. Anything above incurs a 3% surcharge.
    That is in the most ‘sophisticated’ continent on earth, so they tell me.

  119. srr

    Gatestone Institute‏Verified account @GatestoneInst 3m3 minutes ago

    Your latest dictionary entry: Intersectionality (noun): a veneer for anti-Semitism. https://buff.ly/2kpLjtG

  120. Bruce in WA

    Do we know what ammo the pos was using?

    They keep telling us “military grade”, from which we can assume FMJ (a term Serena doesn’t like), which is the US designation. Despite what someone upthread wrote, it’s not ALL armour-piercing — the “green-tip” is the armour-piercing round — and they’re talking about piercing body armour (e.g. kevlar) not armoured vehicles etc. FMJ is not necessarily as lethal as other rounds because it has a tendency to “pass through”, unless it hits bone. The wound cavity is (relatively) small and will close up, with minimal blood loss, initially. On the other hand, a hunting round, like a 64r Winchester PSP PowerPoint, for example, will penetrate deeply before expanding, causing massive trauma and internal bleeding.

    As for accuracy dropping off when the barrel is hot — yes it will. But unless the barrel is glowing, we’re talking a drop-off in accuracy that would only distress a target shooter. For a hunter, or the military, the loss of accuracy is of no real concern. Instead of grouping 5 shots inside 1/2 MOA at 100 yards (which my rifle will do), it may only group in 1 and a 1/2 MOA. That’s effectively, a group of 1/2 an inch at 100 yards to 1 and a 1/2 inches at 100 yards. In the case of the LV shooter … pffft, no matter.

    As to power, at 300 yards my .223 will “red mist” a pumpkin and a pig melon. Don’t ask how I know 😀

    C.L. I apologise, but I could’t keep my five eggs out of it. Forgive me.

  121. Mark A

    fb
    PS I still hate chicken with a passion!
    And milk and all of its derivatives sour cream and all pasta dishes.
    Give me lamb and steak.
    Draw a line at smoked cheeses. I like those with a tot of brandy.
    /fb

  122. Bruce in WA

    Who says the police don’t make the law?

    This is the wife of the guy who lost his firearms after confronting an armed intruder with an empty .22LR.

  123. srr

    🇺🇸XNSNews 🇺🇸‏ @XNSNews 1h1 hour ago

    KISS pauses Louisiana concert to lead crowd in Pledge of Allegiance | The Washington Times

    https://twitter.com/XNSNews/status/915923172192587777

  124. Steve trickler.

    Epic moments in sport, that are generally not known, or are long forgotten.



    On the edge.

  125. Who says the police don’t make the law?
    This is the wife of the guy who lost his firearms after confronting an armed intruder with an empty .22LR. stick shorter and less wieldy than a pick handle

    No wonder they’re called pigs.

  126. Leigh Lowe

    The banks are only allowing him to withraw $1M dong ($150) a day. We have been spending big-time.

    We are also in foreign climes at the moment and the spend-o-meter is going so fast that the three right hand digits are a mere blur.
    Last couple of times used Air BnB for the majority of accommodation but went more hotels this time. Got sick of lack of response from some Air BnB landlords right up to the last minute before check-in.
    The downside is that, without a kitchen, you pay through the nose for every meal.
    Thinking that professionally managed serviced apartments are the go.

  127. OneWorldGovernment

    Why don’t the AEMOA double the current consumer price of Electricity and Gas.

    Surely that will stop filthy useless pricks from using the stuff.

    And Rod Sims. Gillean’s tribal mate.

    Who can forget Rod Sims the protector of the downtrodden

    Career
    He has previously worked as a development economist in Papua New Guinea as well as for the Commonwealth Secretariat.

    Sims was also formerly a Deputy Secretary in the The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and in the Department of Transport.[3]

    He also held the position of Chief Economics Adviser to former Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke.

    [4] Sims has previously held roles with the InfraCo Asia Development (IAD) as a founding Non-Executive Director and the Chairman a position in held from May 2010 until June 2011 when he resigned to take up the chairmanship of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

    [5] Sims has also held a directorship at Port Jackson Partners Limited.

    What a champion!

    How relieved am I to know that this champion is looking after us Australians.

  128. OneWorldGovernment

    Have they cut the COAL fired power to the ACT yet?

  129. OneWorldGovernment

    Surely Canberra can exist on piss and wind.

  130. OneWorldGovernment

    What are the environmental flows from The Cotter Dam?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotter_Dam

    F*king hypocrites.

  131. OneWorldGovernment

    Not forgetting the Bendora and Corin Dams you smug f*king arzholes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendora_Dam

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corin_Dam

  132. Tel

    Question:

    How would this database have prevented someone like Man Monis? Hmmm… just outline the process of preventing that cafe siege using facial recognition. Anyone?

    Answer:

    1. Track the face on entry
    2. Identify
    3. Enable twin 50 cals to target face and torso
    4. Fire 2 rounds
    5. Automated call to cleaners

    So you are saying that owning a rifle for self defense purposes would be legitimate?

    Well John Howard would disagree with you, but anyway if cafe owners could be armed then we still don’t need a facial recognition database because we have this thing called human intelligence where the cafe owner uses normal eyes to “recognize” that there’s a guy waving a sawnoff shotgun around the place. And if several of the cafe customers also had concealed carry it would sort itself out. No need for gigantic government debt spending programs, no need for mass surveillance databases.

    Like I said, this can ONLY be used for tracking law abiding Australians… it’s utterly useless for preventing a terrorist hostage situation like we have already seen. Nor would it have done anything to stop the Las Vegas shooter for that matter.

  133. Gab

    Did Man Monis even have a driver’s license?

    How many of those that have returned to Australia after fighting for ISIS have legal driver’s licenses?

  134. Tom

    What a rancid steaming pile of dung is the Washington press corps.

    For half of them, the descriptor “journalist” is highly inaccurate: they are loony left political activists. For the first time in my life, I find myself barracking for the PR flak assigned the job of herding them, Sarah Sanders. The dead giveaway is that the worst of them don’t ask questions, but deliver speeches. Today it was CNN hackivist Jim Acosta, who delivered a questionorial speech about how dare TrumpHitler criticise the DNC lapdog media for making shit up. Sanders was superb: (paraphrased), get your facts straight, sonny – next question. These people have zero self-awareness: they are so removed from their job of protecting the public interest it’s astonishing they still have readers or viewers.

  135. Herodotus

    From the Oz:

    Former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr says he “can’t believe” federal MP Michael Danby used taxpayer funds a second time to pay for an advertisement attacking the ABC’s coverage of Israel and Palestine.

    Why not? The ABC uses taxpayer funds to attack whoever they want to, including Israel. Their succession of reporters in that part of the world have been notably biased.

  136. Tel

    Did Man Monis even have a driver’s license?

    Let’s give the authorities the benefit of the doubt and presume they are smart enough to photograph someone before they let them out on bail on charges of murder and rape. OK, they get that one for free…

    Now, tell me how this database would stop the cafe holdup?

  137. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    In a sharp rebuke to President Trump’s expanded deportation orders, Gov. Jerry Brown signed landmark “sanctuary state” legislation Thursday, vastly limiting who state and local law enforcement agencies can hold, question and transfer at the request of federal immigration authorities.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    How many of those that have returned to Australia after fighting for ISIS have legal driver’s licenses?

    In NSW you can certainly drive around unlicensed in an unregistered vehicle for pretty much forever, so long as you don’t mind fronting up to court ever now and again for another extension of your disqualification period. There’s a Newcastle guy who is disqualified for 137 years who won’t get his license back until he turns 198.

    There also seems to be a rising incidence of stolen and counterfeit numberplates. Drive a car with a numberplate of some other car of the same make and the police computer wouldn’t ping the car even if stolen.

    All of that is of course against the secular law of NSW.

  139. Gab

    Will the government also have a databank of fake drivers’ licenses?

  140. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The Department of Justice has issued a new memo on transgender workplace rights, arguing that a major civil-rights law does not cover discrimination on the basis of gender identitymental illness.

  141. rickw

    Now, tell me how this database would stop the cafe holdup?

    Maybe it’s about faster identification of dead infidels?

  142. Tel

    How many of those that have returned to Australia after fighting for ISIS have legal driver’s licenses?

    The Commonwealth already has a database of passport photographs. They already track people who enter and leave the country… that’s the whole idea of passports.

    The driver’s license database is about tracking ordinary Australians inside Australia and nothing to do with border security.

  143. rickw

    The driver’s license database is about tracking ordinary Australians inside Australia and nothing to do with border security.

    Completely disgusting, #1 use will be hunting down Australians who’s views are different from the cock smoking political class.

  144. Mike of Marion

    Cop this “Whoa baby, whoa!!! ” landing by an A380 in Germany.

    I’d suggest a tightening of the muscles and whatever!!

  145. rickw

    Who says the police don’t make the law?

    This is the wife of the guy who lost his firearms after confronting an armed intruder with an empty .22LR.
    DT
    Gun Laws are specifically designed to all police to make up laws. What a disgusting country, what a disgusting police force. They really get upset when you do their job faster and better than they can.

  146. Perfidious Albino

    Has anyone else spotted the somewhat mischievous ‘yes’ advert popping up online? A group of youth with diverse skin tones gathered around a post box brandishing their envelopes with a prompt to post your ‘yes’ vote. None appear obviously to be same sex couples and the ad is authorised by the ‘equality campaign’. Just seems to be trying to leverage the feelz for ‘racial’ equality to get more ‘yes’ SSM votes…

  147. rickw

    Cop this “Whoa baby, whoa!!! ” landing by an A380 in Germany.

    I’d suggest a tightening of the muscles and whatever!!

    I think that’s a pilot who doesn’t eat with a knife and fork. QF pilot would have kicked it straight at the last, minute without over correction, and kissed the runway without pax realising there was much of a cross wind.

  148. Spider

    I have no issue with facial recognition technologies being used to identify suspected terrorists but as we all know, as night follows day, this techology will gradually be extended to other offences right down to unpaid parking tickets and library books that haven’t been returned and then as others have observed your picture will then be linked to your Facebook account courtesy of Mr Zuckerburg.

    The evidence for this is already present in various states where requests for information get ever and ever expanded until almost any official can legitimately ask for information that invades your privacy e.g. Witness the data from police vehicles that scans every single number plate it passes.

  149. notafan

    Appears Paddock was wearing a camera. Doubt that will stop all the idiot conspiracies who are now circulated his room service order as proof that there were two shooters in the room or people shooting from multiple locations in the hotel, or something.
    Telegraph story on the Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Paddock.

  150. Appears Paddock was wearing a camera. Doubt that will stop all the idiot conspiracies who are now circulated his room service order as proof that there were two shooters in the room or people shooting from multiple locations in the hotel, or something.

    Yeah, coz if Two burgers are ordered from room service, this is proof they were eaten simultaneously by different people.

  151. feelthebern

    Anyone see Hinch on PM Live last night.
    Said that a colleague got an email from the Yes campaign saying thanks for voting Yes a few days after they sent their survey back.
    He also said the counters are wearing hazmat gear while opening the mail.

  152. Fergus

    Spoke with some virulent antiTrumpers.
    Commented that thought Trump wanted to sort out the long term “irritants” eg NK, Israel/Palestine,put an end to them, and just get on with American manufacturing and business deals.
    Said “Don’t think he is interested in being the World’s policeman if he can achieve that”.
    The response, a horrified “Who’s going to look after us?”
    Indeed!

  153. John Constantine

    Facial recognition in real time, of course, demands law enforcement officials on the spot.

    What demographic of Australia has security details at hand and armed guards at the places they frequent?.

    Real time facial recognition is not going to help the proles that live out where the trains don’t run and have their guns held safely two hours away in a State central storage facility.

    Should a deplorable obsolete Australian [ registered gunowner underclass] approach the ABC studios though, he can be denied entrance as a suspected domestic terrorist [ failed to display the yes vote rainbow on his facedevil account, even.]

    The treasure map that is the list of every legal gun in Australia, complete with the address they are held at, is about to become available to mass numbers more people.

    Because of diversity hire, we can guess the probability that every true mosquebunker has flash drives with the location of every registered gun in Australia freely available.
    The State know they have compromised private firearm ownership by failing to secure this priceless data, but to the State, this just means an excuse to gather in all the firearms to itself, into one mighty hoard, guarded by mohammed.

  154. Evil ISIS release Another Video Claiming responsibility for the Las Vegas Massacre….

    #PaddocksSecretLife ??

    There’s a great deal of conspiracy theories around this.

    Muttley, what do you think?

    At least if you have any certainty about this, we will be able to safely rule it out.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

  155. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hmmm…

    Swiss Government Admits It Does Not Know True Identities of 90 Per Cent of Asylum Seekers

    Swiss national councillor Simonetta Sommaruga has revealed that the problem of asylum seekers arriving into the country with no papers is so extensive the government does not know the true identities of nine out of 10 migrants.

    So 90% of country shoppers in Switzerland are hiding their identity to get asylum.
    I wonder what the stat is for the bunch that Gillard let in?

  156. Yeah, coz if Two burgers are ordered from room service, this is proof they were eaten simultaneously by different people.

    Well, fuck me sideways!! Since when did an American ever eat two hamburgers?!!!

    Lamest.conspiracy.theory.ever.

  157. notafan

    Travel scroll

    Before even reading this article l, last night I revised my travel plans, I’m not prepared to risk taking one of my children into what might be serious civil unrest.

    Catalunya might find their unfair share of Spanish taxes is no longer an issue, very quickly.


    Civil War in Catalunya?

  158. Baldrick

    Former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr says he “can’t believe” federal MP Michael Danby used taxpayer funds a second time to pay for an advertisement attacking the ABC’s coverage of Israel and Palestine.

    Attacking Israel with taxpayer funds is fine. Defending Israel, not so much.

  159. Geriatric Mayfly

    Cop this “Whoa baby, whoa!!! ” landing by an A380 in Germany.
    Wagging its tail like a happy pooch. Ooops! It’s Emirates. Like a happy goat then.

  160. notafan

    I’m sure the Isis strategy now is, ith no one else claiming Paddock, why not?.

    They are certainly getting plenty of encouragement from the usual suspects.

    I’ve seen some online tributes to the many murdered, many families are forever affected by this but the conspiracy theorists must have their entertainments.

  161. Mike of Marion

    Has JC rung in on the JC Hotline? I’d also expect Maolcolm to ring in to!!

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/10/04/trump-puerto-rico-debt-wipe-out-crushes-wall-street/

    Bankrupt Puerto Rico’s bond prices plunged by over 30 percent after the White House confirmed President Donald Trump’s commitment to not bailing out Wall Street speculators who bought Puerto Rican debt.
    Director of the Office of Management and Budget Mick Mulvaney confirmed in an October 4 interview that President Trump was serious when he stated that the U.S. government will not bail out bankrupt Puerto Rico’s municipal bonds. The comment panicked Wall Street’s powerful “vulture capital” hedge funds, who fear that the tens of billions of dollars of Puerto Rico bonds they bought up at severe discounts could be “wiped out.”

    Breitbart News reported that 86 percent of Puerto Rico residents do not speak English in the home, despite the U.S. Territory receiving $22 billion a year in U.S. government subsidies and its residents being exempt from paying federal income taxes.

    Puerto Rico was already an economic disaster in 2015 with a median household income of $18,626, versus $56,500 for the U.S. mainland. Just prior to the two devastating hurricanes flattening much of the island’s infrastructure, the latest economic survey there found a 10.1 percent unemployment rate and a poverty rate of 45 percent.

    Unable to make payroll for its 285,000 government workers in May, the island filed the largest public-sector bankruptcy in history at the U.S. District Court in New York City. Congress passed the “Puerto Rico Oversight, Management and Economic Stability Act,” turning the island’s finances over to a Title III federally appointed committee.

    The debtor’s statement of assets listed $73 billion in municipal debt, equal to a debt for each man, woman and child in Puerto Rico of about $34,000. That does not include another obligation for unfunded pension liabilities of $20,300 per islander.

    But Wall Street vultures, including Goldman Sachs, bought tens of billions of dollars in defaulted Puerto Rico municipal bonds for as low as 30 cents on the dollar last year. The speculators were betting that the threat of millions of impoverished Puerto Ricans migrating to the mainland would scare the White House and Republicans into backing a wildly lucrative federal bailout at 100 percent of the bonds’ value.

    But President Trump, on his October 3 tour of Puerto Rico’s devastation, seemed to crush hopes for a bail-out when he told Fox Business News, “They owe a lot of money to your friends on Wall Street and we’re going to have to wipe that out. You’re going to say goodbye to that, I don’t know if it’s Goldman Sachs, but whoever it is you can wave goodbye to that.”

    Panic selling on October 4 caused Puerto Rico’s most recently issued benchmark bonds, due July 2035, to tank by 31 percent from 44 cents on the dollar to as low as 30.25 cents on the dollar. The price did recover slightly to 32 cents on the dollar late in the day.

    Mulvaney did caution that President Trump’s statement that seemed to indicate Puerto Rico’s debt would be canceled should not be taken “word for word.” He stated that the priority of the Trump administration is to help Puerto Rico recover from its natural disasters. But Mulvaney seemed to spike theball on Wall Street when he added: “Puerto Rico is going to have to figure out how to fix the errors that its made for the last generation on its own finances.”

  162. egg_

    As for accuracy dropping off when the barrel is hot — yes it will. But unless the barrel is glowing, we’re talking a drop-off in accuracy that would only distress a target shooter. For a hunter, or the military, the loss of accuracy is of no real concern. Instead of grouping 5 shots inside 1/2 MOA at 100 yards (which my rifle will do), it may only group in 1 and a 1/2 MOA. That’s effectively, a group of 1/2 an inch at 100 yards to 1 and a 1/2 inches at 100 yards. In the case of the LV shooter … pffft, no matter.

    Regarding muzzle velocity vs accuracy, from my reading, it’s more like a piston engine (a very good analogy to MV/Jupes discussion) tuning factor, where academic papers have demonstrated that groupings can actually improve with a decrease in velocity, so per Jupes discussions the only relevant parameter in this case would be penetration due to final velocity and the type of round actually used.

  163. cohenite

    Bruce in WA

    #2515945, posted on October 6, 2017 at 1:13 am

    Who says the police don’t make the law?

    This is the wife of the guy who lost his firearms after confronting an armed intruder with an empty .22LR.

    The Police Commissioner (peace be upon him) has complete discretion to do with all firearm matters. Such discretion can be challenged as to its reasonableness not its existence.

    My take on the Dunstan fiasco is that the farmer was acting consistently with his self defence rights per ss.418 – 421 CA 1900 and had a legal gun licence entitling him to vermin control but he was not entitled to use his gun for self-defence which is what he did. The wife is collateral damage.

    This is a very interesting case. Where are the Shooters Party people?

  164. Tel

    Slightly unexpected news, could be fake but you never know.

    https://southfront.org/saudi-arabia-agrees-to-buy-russian-s-400-air-defense-system-media/

    Russians selling weapons for much needed hard foreign currency is nothing unusual, but the S-400 is like their crown jewels and it’s a seriously dangerous bit of equipment, nominally an “air defense missile system” but could very easily be adapted to use as a general long range missile launcher. Now they are selling it to the Saudis, which means Iran will jump up and down and then Russia will have two customers… and further destabilization of the region. Saudis have proven in Yemen that they are totally indiscriminate when it comes to bombing the crap out of civilian targets, like hospitals, water treatment plants, food warehouses, transport hubs.

    If they are serious about technology transfer and manufacturing inside Saudi Arabia itself, that’s equivalent to also making the technology transfer available to the US and Israel, so you have to presume the Russians would ship a slightly degraded version as their “export quality” military equipment. Of course the USA have already shipped plenty of other lethal equipment to the Saudis so I guess the Russians feel kind of justified in making their share of the profits.

  165. egg_

    Appears Paddock was wearing a camera.

    Isn’t the FBI due to release the suicide note soon?
    MSM mentioning possibly both a planned getaway and family involvement inmoving the amount of weaponry involved (dupes?).

  166. Baldrick

    The Get Pell Circus continues today, with the public still kept in the dark about the allegations against Pell unlikely to be revealed any time soon.

    Cardinal George Pell is expected to return to the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court today for a brief hearing as he fights historical sexual offences.
    Cardinal Pell and his legal team required a police escort to enter the court building before his first appearance in July, as they were swamped by a huge pack of international and local journalists.
    The exact details and nature of the charges have not been made public. The magistrate refused the media’s request for access to the court file including charge sheets, and the court is not expected to change its position at today’s hearing.

  167. johanna

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2515630, posted on October 5, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    Where has the rain gone – is it that polar jetstream wobbling and the weak sun ?

    Myrddin – I don’t know.

    The conditions around here (Queanbeyan) are eeerily reminiscent of the last Big Drought.

    Last year, when I bought the joint, it rained and rained and rained throughout late winter and early spring. I remember it vividly, because I came to see the place three times at random intervals, and it was either overcast or raining every time. Had to guess at how the sun worked with the windows.

    This winter was dry as a bone (hence the very low minima) and now that we are into Spring, things have not improved. A big band of cloud has just moved through, but we got barely a spit of rain.

    Fact is, the region is drought-prone, and we may well be in for another one.

    The BOM and their acolytes will no doubt blame fossil fuels. Yawn.

  168. Boambee John

    Serena at 2303

    . I’ve fired NATO 7.62 through 8 inches of Rosewood post, without a problem

    I recall reading many many years ago that NATO 7.62 was specified to penetrate one side of a steel helmet at around 3000 metres.

    The shorter bayonet was made long enough to go through the winter uniform of a Soviet soldier. Not as long as the old .303 bayonet, but fit for purpose!

  169. notafan

    Egg, Sheriff Lombardo announced that there was no note.

    Family may have been involved in weapon accumulation, I haven’t seen those reports.

  170. Tel

    As for accuracy dropping off when the barrel is hot — yes it will. But unless the barrel is glowing, we’re talking a drop-off in accuracy that would only distress a target shooter. For a hunter, or the military, the loss of accuracy is of no real concern.

    I agree with that… the guy was not accurate to begin with, he was simply spraying into the crowd and depending on statistics to do the work. I totally get that he would have more than one gun, in terms of being able to pick up another, and then another.

    However, I do not understand the need for 22 guns under the circumstances, and it’s very weird that in the photos of his room after the event there were hardly any shell casings to be seen. Did the shooter clean up as he went? Did the police quickly sweep up the casings? You would expect them to be sprayed all over the place.

    As for the camera in the room, I’m very confident that a simple unedited footage from that camera will never be released to the public. These situations always end up with “just trust us and don’t ask questions”. This much is highly predictable.

  171. Mike of Marion

    cohenite
    #2516029, posted on October 6, 2017 at 7:53 am

    I’ve heard Diamond won his appeal.

  172. Tel

    The exact details and nature of the charges have not been made public. The magistrate refused the media’s request for access to the court file including charge sheets, and the court is not expected to change its position at today’s hearing.

    Yeah, the good old fashioned secret chamber trials… more of the “just trust us and don’t ask questions”.

    Get used to it.

  173. Nick

    The Get Pell Circus continues today, with the public still kept in the dark about the allegations against Pell unlikely to be revealed any time soon.

    I met some interesting people yesterday. With regards to George Pell, apparently, the first allegation that was made against him, the one at the youth camp in the 60’s, a man, the complainant in the case first came to the Presbytery and demanded $10,000 or he’d go to the media. It turned out he also coincidentally owed $5000 to bookmakers in Vanuatu.

  174. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Get Pell Circus continues today, with the public still kept in the dark about the allegations against Pell unlikely to be revealed any time soon.

    Nevertheless, all ABC leave cancelled. Hacks to be at their stations ready to pounce on the merest of snippets. Senior staff to embellish same and produce sensationalism and loathing out of nothing, to go on the 24 hour loop.

  175. Robber Baron

    Calli, you can get $us at local markets. The jewellery shops are also in the exchange business if you can’t find a money changer. Exchange rates are competitive with banks.

    You can also change your dong at the airport.

  176. Dr Faustus

    I think that’s a pilot who doesn’t eat with a knife and fork. QF pilot would have kicked it straight at the last, minute without over correction, and kissed the runway without pax realising there was much of a cross wind.

    A frequent occurence landing at Hong Kong’s old Kai Tak airport.
    The laundry would flash in front of your eyes.

  177. Hydra

    Bankrupt Puerto Rico’s bond prices plunged by over 30 percent after the White House confirmed President Donald Trump’s commitment to not bailing out Wall Street speculators who bought Puerto Rican debt.
    Director of the Office of Management and Budget Mick Mulvaney confirmed in an October 4 interview that President Trump was serious when he stated that the U.S. government will not bail out bankrupt Puerto Rico’s municipal bonds. The comment panicked Wall Street’s powerful “vulture capital” hedge funds, who fear that the tens of billions of dollars of Puerto Rico bonds they bought up at severe discounts could be “wiped out.”

    Hahahaha hilarious!

  178. Fergus

    “limited” Iran’s nuclear activities
    lol

  179. Johanna;

    A big band of cloud has just moved through, but we got barely a spit of rain.

    We got 2mil here a couple of days ago – just enough to raise the water tank level by 2.5 inches. But it was so dirty I’ll just use it for garden.

  180. feelthebern

    My reading this morning is that GS has minimal exposure to Puerto Rico debt.
    However, they are long to the gunnels Venezuela debt.

  181. Hydra

    Have THEY cut the COAL fired power off to the ACT yet?

    Fair question.

    Victoria should unilaterally turn off the Heywood interconnector to avoid blackouts in Victoria. At least we still produce some power.

  182. Boambee John

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2515974, posted on October 6, 2017 at 5:37 am
    What are the environmental flows from The Cotter Dam?

    The environmental hypocrites of the ACT Labor government “expanded” Cotter by building a new, higher, wider dam a couple of hundred metres downstream. It increased capacity by a factor of around 20.

  183. John Constantine

    Have firearm licence photos, names, addresses been included in the data to be linked to the anti-terrorism facial recognition artificial intelligence program?.

    Yet?.

    Comrades.

  184. Rabz

    Fantastic address by Professor Ian Plimer last night.

    He ruthlessly exposed the hysterical dishonest anti-scientific idiocies that constitute 97% of what collectivist imbeciles (BIRM) have the gall to pass off as unquestionable, “settled science”.

    He also made a chilling prediction, which I’ve also long maintained – regarding electrickery becoming ever more expensive and unreliable, things are going to have to get a lot worse before there is any chance of them getting any better.

    I differ in that I don’t think things will get any better – increasingly my view is aligning with that of Mr Constantine.

    Veneztraliastan, here we come – and you will not depart the train unless you survive the inevitable slow motion wreck.

  185. Bruce of Newcastle

    A story which I don’t think has been mentioned is this one:

    Scotland says no to fracking (Tuesday)

    Fracking will be banned in Scotland following a widespread public backlash against onshore drilling, the government said on Tuesday.

    The government said “fracking cannot and will not take place in Scotland” after a scientific review and a comprehensive public consultation.

    Over 60,000 people responded to the consultation, the second largest response to any consultation in Scotland, and 99 percent were in favour of a ban.

    Scottish Energy Minister Paul Wheelhouse said the health impacts of fracking were unclear, insisted fracking would detract from Scotland’s climate change targets, and would add just 0.1 percent to GDP.

    All quite unsurprising from a lefty government like the SNP. But I mention it because of a nice catch by a blog commenter over at Paul Homewood’s blog:

    Negative impact on climate change

    9.8 Many respondents who believed the development of an unconventional oil and gas industry would have negative impacts on climate change described climate change as ‘the biggest issue of our time’. They emphasised the scientific consensus that existed around the causes of climate change, and also its effects (droughts, earthquakes, tsunamis, storms, etc.). Respondents also focused on the extent to which climate change affected everyone – both current and future generations.

    The document it comes from is an official Scottish Government paper. Link to the pdf is at the link. There is no caveat in it saying that global warming does not, in fact, cause earthquakes and tsunamis.

    So there you go, the Scottish Government is banning fracking in part because of all the earthquakes and tsunamis that might happen if Scotland was to be allowed to warm up by a couple of degrees.

  186. Boambee John

    Tel at 0602

    Like I said, this can ONLY be used for tracking law abiding Australians… it’s utterly useless for preventing a terrorist hostage situation like we have already seen. Nor would it have done anything to stop the Las Vegas shooter for that matter.

    The old (obsolete?) monocultural Australia was a high trust society, where firearms were widely held without major problems.

    The new, multicultural, Australia requires massive surveillance of the population combined with wilful blindness to the principal cause of our problems.

    Multiculturalism is cultural genocide.

  187. srr

    When blowing cover smoke for the terrorist cabal becomes more feverish and important than defending and protecting Pell and Catholicism, you know where the loyalties have always laid.

  188. Nick

    SRR, I met your mate Craig Bellamy yesterday. A nice bloke.

  189. stackja

    Bella d’Abrera: Sydney Uni wants students to unlearn civilisation
    Bella d’Abrera, The Daily Telegraph
    October 6, 2017 12:00am
    Subscriber only
    Australia’s oldest and most prestigious institution of higher education, the University of Sydney, has reached an all- time low. In a remarkable act of institutional suicide, the university has introduced a compulsory initiative to “unlearn”.

    In one fell swoop, it has done ­itself out of a job.

    Under the guise of promoting ­research and its role in the changing world, the driving force behind the enterprise is to teach students to “challenge the established, and question the accepted”.

    What then, is the point of sending your children to school at all, if everything they learn will be ­undone at university? This brave new world will be an easy one for academics who might otherwise be expected to know things.

    But it would be a mistake to attribute this lunacy only to self-interest. The entire escapade is part of a broader, postmodern movement which has manifested itself as identity politics. Identity politics is a critique of our established institutions and norms, such as equality before the law, parliamentary democracy and freedom of speech.

    Our established values, customs and history don’t represent the ­diverse, racial, cultural and gender identities of today, so they must be destroyed.

    Identity politics is revolutionary. It says that these institutions are used to oppress, and as long as they exist, groups in society will suffer. So they must be torn down and we must start again.

    During the French Revolution, after the abolition of the monarchy, they declared it to be Year I. When the Khmer Rouge took over Cambodia in 1975, they declared it to be Year Zero. This might be Year -1, the complete negation of history.

    And the proponents of this ­ideology have given up being subtle about it. In this latest operation, the university has openly adopted the pattern of teaching which has been eating away at academia since the 1960s.

    It’s there, written large on the website.

    The “unlearn” initiative is about “breaking down old rules so we can write new ones”.

    This is not about freedom, but rather indoctrinating students into a new religion of ignorance, a new kind of groupthink.

    The proponents of unlearning ask: “Imagine what could be possible if we all learn to unlearn.”

    But if we go down this regressive road of unlearning, nothing will be possible at all.

    Dr Bella d’Abrera is the Director of the Foundations of Western Civilisation Program at the Institute of Public Affairs.

  190. I differ in that I don’t think things will get any better –

    Factcheck = True.

    The blunt truth is there ISN’T a simple, quick, cost-effective solution to the disaster we have created out of the national grid network.

  191. notafan

    Who is blowing smoke for the terrorist cabal and why do ‘they’ think it more important than defending Cardinal Pell and Catholism.

    Is there something wrong with defending Cardinal Pell, btw?

  192. stackja

    Why unlearn?
    sydney.edu.au
    [Unlearn: to make an effort to forget your usual way of doing something so that you can learn a new and sometimes better way
    Cambridge Dictionary]
    We’re changing the way we teach and how our students learn
    Throughout our lives we’re taught important lessons. We learn how to talk, to walk, and even how to behave. But there’s one important lesson most of us never get – a lesson in unlearning.

    Unlearning is about challenging the established, and questioning the accepted.

    It’s not about ignoring what you already know, but it’s about being brave enough to question it and break down old rules so we can write new ones. It’s about looking at things in the context of today, and tomorrow.

    Take the future of work.

    The World Economic Forum estimates that young people today will change careers at least seven times in their lives, while almost 5 million current jobs in Australia are expected to become obsolete by 2030.

    That doesn’t mean those jobs won’t be replaced. But it does mean the jobs and careers of the future will be very different from today.

    And so will students.

    Many of today’s undergraduates have always lived in a world with smart phones, tablets, social media and always-on connectivity, and expect collaboration and social interactivity to be at the centre of their learning experience.

    That’s why we’ve been doing some unlearning of our own: changing the way we teach and the way our students learn.

    Our new curriculum provides students with the skills, capabilities and agility to thrive in a changing world. There are now more opportunities to study and combine a wider range of subjects, work on real-world projects, access cross-disciplinary learning tools and programs, and exchange and intercultural opportunities.

    We’re committed to both learning and unlearning so our students can build the skills, confidence and resilience to manage the challenges, and make the most of the opportunities, the future offers.

  193. srr

    John Cardillo: FBI’s Las Vegas shooting narrative unravels
    Rebel Media
    Oct 5, 2017
    John Cardillo of TheRebel.media: What are the FBI not telling us about Stephen Paddock and his girlfriend Marilou Danley?

  194. notafan

    Funny that there are people who never met a conspiracy theory they didn’t like and are happy to make up a few of their own.

  195. Boambee John

    Spider at 0656

    as others have observed your picture will then be linked to your Facebook account courtesy of Mr Zuckerburg

    I don’t have a photo on Facechook out of sheer idleness, but this is a reason not to get over energetic.

  196. johanna

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2515718, posted on October 5, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    Hairy may of course t’ink my glide is just da drugs. I’ve just driven him home from an anaesthetic.
    Colonoscopy. All our medical friends think they are a good idea. Yep. They found polyps.
    Medicare believe this investigation often constitutes over-servicing. Until you have friends who suddenly up and die within six months of unsuspected bowel cancer, as we have had, I guess you could think that. Protocols aren’t everything when it comes to things proctal and beyond, especially if there is a family history of cancer, or any other cancer in the patient.

    Yet more proof that our self-proclaimed intellectual is as dumb as a box of rocks.

    It is a version of the “no price is to high to pay to save a single life” fallacy.

    This airhead doesn’t realise that every disease (or even alleged disease) has a lobby group clamouring in the public square for dollars and influence.

    Ideally, we would all be on a treadmill of taxpayer-subsidised “tests” for every imaginable condition.

    I have twice got test kits for bowel cancer, coutesy of the taxpayer. BTW, if you send turds through the post for any other reason, it is regarded as a health risk, and prosecuted. Rightly so, IMO.

    My chances of getting bowel cancer are difficult to estimate. For one thing, we have the fanatics who claim that eating cured meats like ham and bacon are a death sentence, even though the Europeans who gorge on the stuff live to a very old age. To say that the science is dodgy is a fair statement.

    But, in the end, I don’t care. I am not sending poo samples to the government.

    Call me old-fashioned.

  197. JC

    Big fat Harvey found out for harassing women. Very close to the Clintons. No shock there.
    Decades of harassment …

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html

  198. Robber Baron

    At catholic hospital. Just spoke with a pakistani man who volunteered that he is muslim. I asked him why he came to Australia. He said for “better opportunities.” I asked him what opportunities but he went off on a tangent that Australia doesn’t give top jobs to minorities and that it was basically a racist country. He said that to my face. He thinks multiculturalism does’t work. I agreed and said the government was racist against white men and pro minorities. The conversation was interupted by a nurse to update him about his wife and left just as the conversation got interesting. Long story short he left Pakistan in 2008 has a MBA from RMIT and a diploma from James Cook. Travels back to Pakistan often but feels unsafe travelling the world. Has 2 children born here on the public system. Spoke English well.

    Australia is in for a big shock. Welcome to the Balkans. I also recall him saying that they would not give good jobs to any foreigners in Pakistan but that is no excuse in Australia.

  199. cynical1

    I have no issue with facial recognition technologies being used to identify suspected terrorists but as we all know, as night follows day, this techology will gradually be extended to other offences right down to unpaid parking tickets and library books that haven’t been returned and then as others have observed your picture will then be linked to your Facebook account courtesy of Mr Zuckerburg.

    I do.

    Unless the bastards ban the burka on the day the law comes in…

  200. C.L.

    Democrat icon and rapist Harvey Weinstein issues a statement (this is real), says he’s so angry with himself that he needs an outlet:

    “I came of age in the 60’s and 70’s, when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different. That was the culture then … I am going to need a place to channel that anger so I’ve decided that I’m going to give the NRA my full attention.”

  201. Boambee John

    Unlearning is about challenging the established, and questioning the accepted.

    I suspect that challenging catastrophic climate change dogma or multiculturalism or identity politics will not be allowed.

  202. JC

    Hahahaahhaha

    The NYC boiler plate PR firm Shtick

    In a statement to The Times on Thursday afternoon, Mr. Weinstein said: “I appreciate the way I’ve behaved with colleagues in the past has caused a lot of pain, and I sincerely apologize for it. Though I’m trying to do better, I know I have a long way to go.”

    I would have through Harv could have done much better than that.

    He added that he was working with therapists and planning to take a leave of absence to “deal with this issue head on.”

  203. MV;

    The blunt truth is there ISN’T a simple, quick, cost-effective solution to the disaster we have created out of the national grid network.

    The child bride and I had a discussion about the electricity and we came to the conclusion that it was not worth our time to buy another genset.
    So, instead, we keep the amount of perishables to a minimum and will use the freezer as a cold box until the ice in it melts.
    We bought a couple of extra 9kg gas bottles, and keep the pantry stocked.
    Because we reckon the Police will confiscate our genset because “emergency”, and “more deserving cases.”
    Anyone care to bet that scenario won’t happen after three days of no power?

  204. srr

    Jeff Covfefe‏ @EngageTheRebels 9h9 hours ago

    They’re only following their faith. Try not to be so intolerant and Islamophobic.

    https://twitter.com/EngageTheRebels/status/915937213577383936
    View

  205. Bruce of Newcastle

    I am not sending poo samples to the government.

    Governments give us plenty, so it tickled my sense of the absurd to return the compliment.

  206. Tintarella di Luna

    I wonder if my local member is preparing for a life post-politics or is he preparing to contest the seat of Bennelong from which John Alexander will retire next year? He’s moved out of the electorate into Hunters Hill

  207. Tintarella di Luna

    I mean next election

  208. Mother Lode

    The Fin Review, Green gutter press that it is, has a headline about how the heroic Maolcolm Turnbull is taking on Alan Jones for what he sees as Jones’ campaign against gas.

    While it is true that The Parrot has been a pain in the arse, how many of Alan Jones’ listeners are able to influence policy.

    Turnbull is now posing as the voice of reason, a good shepherd of his Australian flock.

    What a posturing retarded fuck he is.

    I wonder if he seriously thinks that the genteel Old Australia that listens to The Parrot will be impressed by his moral authority?

  209. JC

    CL

    The NRÀ thing is a direct appeal to the leftwing base. If they leave him alone he’ll do what he can to go after the NRA. The hypocrical fat swine.

    He’s really not that good at creating an alternative reality.. as this is so transparent.

    We were down in Florida once and big fat Harvey was down there too with his family. He was literally a few tables down in the outside courtyard of the hotel hoeing into a huge basket of French fries.
    Women have a sixth sense … wifey and her friend reckoned he looked really creepy.

  210. cynical1

    Look at SRR’s link picture.

    It’s a fucking epidemic.

    4 agents
    1 male.
    3 women.
    2 so overweight they couldn’t catch Malcolm Farr.

    God knows what they are like with a Glock.

  211. Senile Old Guy

    Lizzie: Colonoscopy. All our medical friends think they are a good idea. Yep. They found polyps. Medicare believe this investigation often constitutes over-servicing. Until you have friends who suddenly up and die within six months of unsuspected bowel cancer, as we have had, I guess you could think that. Protocols aren’t everything when it comes to things proctal and beyond, especially if there is a family history of cancer, or any other cancer in the patient.

    Johanna: Yet more proof that our self-proclaimed intellectual is as dumb as a box of rocks. It is a version of the “no price is to high to pay to save a single life” fallacy.

    I think I know who is “dumb as box of rocks” on this issue and it isn’t Lizzie. Note that the investigation found polyps, a potential precursor to cancer. Also, this was probably done under private health care (which would not cover all the costs). Someone investing in their own health care has a test done which has found a potential precursor to cancer, which can be removed and monitored. Remember also, if the person died prematurely, all their future contributions to their family and society go with them.

    I have personal experience of this situation. And I know a surgeon who had the procedure and it found polyps. He was rather shaken telling me this as he knew the potential consequences better than I. What was also interesting is that he had stool test done at his own expense and it was negative. A few months later, he got a government supplied kit and set that in too. That result was positive, leading to the colonoscopy and the discovery of the polyps. Had that not been done, we might well have lost the surgeon and his contributions.

    Talk to your families and doctors, people, and ignore ex-PS wonks who think they know better than you.

  212. Tom

    Evil ISIS release Another Video Claiming responsibility for the Las Vegas Massacre….

    #PaddocksSecretLife ??

    There’s a great deal of conspiracy theories around this.

    Nature loves filling vacuums.

    In his press briefing yesterday, the local FBI chief in Las Vegas was very forthright: the American people expect us to be accurate in establishing the facts.

    Good on him, I say. A cover-up is virtually impossible. The truth will emerge.

  213. JC

    Mike of Marion

    I wasn’t suggesting (a few days ago) the US government should bail out Puerto R. All I was saying was that motor mouth shouldn’t be talking about bond prices that specifically. He just can’t help himself.

    Then again having left a trail of bond debris behind him he would be an expert. 🙂

  214. Baldrick

    I am not sending poo samples to the government.

    Will they end up on the Run, Hide, Tell Database also?

  215. johanna

    candy
    #2515837, posted on October 5, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    Julie Bishop complaining of sexism.

    What hope do ladies of much lesser positions have of speaking up if they are bullied, if Ms Bishop, the Foreign Minister, at 60 years of age, intelligent, a woman of the world, at parties with the highest political leaders of the world, is so mousey and scared that she cannot speak up if a man in the workplace ignores her.

    Sadly, she is no role model. Or, she’s lying to have a crack at Tony Abbott.

    Just another reminder that we have a fake candy here, probably grigs.

  216. Delta A

    Governments give us plenty, so it tickled my sense of the absurd to return the compliment.

    🙂

    I have met people who pooh-pooh the National Bowel Screening program. But when one considers the incidence of bowel cancer – and the success of early diagnosis and treatment – only a dope would refuse to participate.

  217. Baldrick

    Via TheirABC :

    After being bullied for years for her red hair and freckles, Ali Roebuck found it hard to love the features that made her stand out.
    But the 12-year-old’s self-esteem has skyrocketed since she took part in an empowering project led by a far north Queensland photographer.
    Bullying expert Dr Margaret Carter from James Cook University said bringing positivity to the online sphere with projects like photographer Kate Stoter’s was important.

    I wonder what qualifications are needed to be labelled a ‘bullying expert’?

  218. Roger

    I asked him why he came to Australia. He said for “better opportunities.” I asked him what opportunities but he went off on a tangent that Australia doesn’t give top jobs to minorities and that it was basically a racist country.

    Two useless pieces of parchment leave him working as a taxi driver like thousands of others of different hues, including white, but ‘racism’. That sense of entitlement and chip on the shoulder is not confined to Muslims from the subcontinent, btw – you’ll also hear it from Hindus.

  219. Mother Lode

    It is a version of the “no price is to high to pay to save a single life” fallacy.

    As Dr Necessiter explains: “Nonsense. If the murder of twelve innocent people can help save one human life, it will have been worth it.”

  220. Roger

    I have met people who pooh-pooh the National Bowel Screening program. But when one considers the incidence of bowel cancer – and the success of early diagnosis and treatment – only a dope would refuse to participate.

    Whatever happened to self-reliance?

    Surely those who can afford to should attend to their own health needs?

  221. Bruce of Newcastle

    The NRÀ thing is a direct appeal to the leftwing base.

    Which is getting more left wing. Today:

    Partisan gaps widen even further in Trump´s first year as Democrats move left

    WASHINGTON — The partisan gap that already divided Americans into increasingly estranged camps has widened even further in President Donald Trump´s first year in office, largely because Democrats have moved to the left on a wide range of issues, a new large-scale, nonpartisan poll has found.

    And they don’t much like the NRA…

    Nancy Sinatra Calls for NRA Members to Be Killed by Firing Squad

    Singer Nancy Sinatra on Thursday called for members of the National Rifle Association to be killed by firing squad. Sinatra—the daughter of legendary crooner Frank Sinatra—shared the sentiment on Twitter following the murder of 59 people in Las Vegas by a mass shooter over the weekend.

    Fortunately NRA members all have firearms and, by and large, Democrats don’t.

  222. srr

    For intelligent, considered conversation on details (you aren’t getting compiled elsewhere; including things such as police radio transcripts), of the LV Terrorist Attack, that cover agents are desperately blowing cover smoke for –

    1,063 Responses to UPDATE: Mandalay Bay Massacre – Latest Las Vegas Sheriff Press Conference…

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/04/update-mandalay-bay-massacre-latest-las-vegas-sheriff-press-conference/#comments

  223. Paul Murray’s take on Bishop’s “poor poor me” routine was that Julie is claiming victimhood status as she prepares to knife Turnbull.
    Building her resume with female voters.

  224. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2516083, posted on October 6, 2017 at 9:35 am

    Yes! And an earlier edition showed the street address photo!

  225. Senile Old Guy

    Whatever happened to self-reliance?

    Surely those who can afford to should attend to their own health needs?

    People with risk factors will probably do so. The screening is done because it is cost effective: more is saved than spent.

    The results show that annual and biennial iFOBT as well as colonoscopy screening represent value for money at the individual and Australian healthcare system level. This finding was robust when international cancer incidence data by stage were used in sensitivity analysis. Population-based screening for Australians aged 40 to 70 years is cost-effective, with annual iFOBT screening followed by a colonoscopy and treatment for positive iFOBT being the most cost effective screening option.

    The finding comes from multiple studies.

  226. Anyone care to bet that scenario won’t happen after three days of no power?

    I’d say it’s a given, Winston. I converted my genset to LPG – I reckon once power rationing comes in the first controls will be on buying takeaway petrol and diesel. Now our HWS, stove, oven and backup power all run on 9kg bbq gas bottles, of which I have eight – about six month’s supply.

    I have found the freezer will stay frozen for over two days if not opened, and will maintain its frozen state if powered off the genset once a day until it cuts out – less than fifteen minutes.

  227. stackja

    Roger
    #2516102, posted on October 6, 2017 at 10:00 am
    I have met people who pooh-pooh the National Bowel Screening program. But when one considers the incidence of bowel cancer – and the success of early diagnosis and treatment – only a dope would refuse to participate.

    Whatever happened to self-reliance?

    Surely those who can afford to should attend to their own health needs?

    I was unaware of the need for many tests. Various tests have shown problems.

  228. cohenite

    BTW, if you send turds through the post for any other reason, it is regarded as a health risk, and prosecuted. Rightly so, IMO.

    Yep.

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