Open Forum: October 7, 2017

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  1. Mindfree

    Jeebus another one

    Oh and fuck Turnshit, Bitchsop and Freidengonburg and for Xenophon FOAD inSA

    Just say’in

  2. OneWorldGovernment

    fort again.

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Let’s hear it for the Baron de Rothschild. And his grandson.
    New Fred and so to bed, well imbibed.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And now it is sex; it you are from Un Zud.

  5. Can we try and keep it on a happier note?
    Some of the final posts on the old thread were suicide-worthy.

  6. Pedro the Ignorant

    Pierce Brosnan is a very cool 007 on Channel Nein.

    Rotten Tomatoes gives it 53% rotten. Rubbish, great fun movie.

  7. Bruce in WA

    Top 10 … and dammit … I just posted some good links on the old fred!

  8. Bruce in WA

    Some of the final posts on the old thread were suicide-worthy.

    Really? Big difference between introspection and suicide!

  9. Top Ender

    I claim this thread in the name of all old James Bond movies – long may they reign.

  10. Fisky

    LOL

    Perry de Havilland Retweeted
    Yes, Margaret? 🎃‏ @MargaretsBelly 46m46 minutes ago
    More
    The First Amendment ONLY protects speech printed on 1791 era presses, just like the Second Amendment ONLY protects 1791 era muskets

  11. Top Ender

    Notes of panicky, closed-door debriefings of Julia Gillard’s then lover and law firm client, disgraced union boss Bruce Wilson, set out his confessions 22 years ago to perpetrating a major fraud with a “slush fund” that she had set up for him.

    The handwritten notes, leaked to The Weekend Australian and revealed publicly for the first time, show that Mr Wilson admitted his crimes to Bernard Murphy, now a Federal Court judge, in a tense meeting at Slater & Gordon in August 1995.

    Publicly, in the years since and under oath at the trade union royal commission in 2014, Mr Wilson has repeatedly denied criminal wrongdoing.

    He has avoided prosecution despite the commission’s recommending he be charged over one of the Australian Workers Union’s biggest frauds.

  12. Stimpson J. Cat

    Some of the final posts on the old thread were suicide-worthy.

    No…. Please…. Don’t….. Actually it’s your choice.
    If you want to rush your inevitable death be my guest.
    Let me know how it all works out.
    Jesus has my number.
    Namaste.

    😁

  13. Can we try and keep it on a happier note?

    Anyone seen the new Blade Runner? Going to see it tomorrow. Thought I’d leave this here. Beautiful song. Always thought it would be a great song for my wedding.

  14. BrettW

    From Daily Mail.

    Denmark looks set to become the next European country to restrict the burqa and the niqab, worn by some Muslim women, after most parties in the Danish parliament backed a ban.

  15. Top Ender
    #2516784, posted on October 7, 2017 at 1:12 am
    Notes of panicky, closed-door debriefings of Julia Gillard’s then lover and law firm client…

    Well done Hedley Thomas.
    The Oz is not allowing comments. I guess having Justice Murphy as the then lawyer who knew of Wilson’s crimes may be a deterrent to having the proles vent their spleen.

    It is infuriating that Murphy’s notes were not allowed to be made public at the Royal Commission.

  16. Fisky

    I can’t wait to see what the phony “libertarian” movement will say about this!

    WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is poised to roll back the federal requirement for employers to include birth control coverage in their health insurance plans, vastly expanding exemptions for those that cite moral or religious objections.

    The new rules, which could be issued as soon as Friday, fulfill a campaign promise by President Trump and are sure to touch off a round of lawsuits on the issue.

  17. Top Ender

    Wonder how she feels now about the anthem for the brave chaps of the South:

  18. Top Ender’s link to The Oz contains this telling paragraph:
    The emergence now of the notes will raise questions about why Mr Wilson, who was found by the commission to be the ring-leader and architect of a large fraud, has not been prosecuted.

    I assume the fan, having being hit, will now splatter stuff at police, prosecutors, and state politicians.
    Truly a great time to be alive.

  19. Mark A

    Scratch proof reading glasses.
    Oh please yes.
    Unfortunately even my expensive prescription glasses came with plastic lenses.

  20. Mark A

    Thanks Tom, good selections.

  21. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A UK pharmacist is behind bars for trying to radicalize two elementary school-aged students and showing one of them a video of an American soldier being beheaded.
    Zameer Ghumra was sentenced to six years in prison Friday for disseminating terrorist propaganda while trying to brainwash two young brothers into becoming Islamic State fighters.

    The 38-year-old worked as a pharmacist in Northamptonshire, England and was trying to set up a madrasa, an Islamic school, when he taught the two boys how to survive a bomb attack and fight with knives, The Guardian reported.

    “[Ghumra] had ISIS training videos and people being beheaded,” one of the boys reportedly told the court. “There was talking and then the American soldier was beheaded.”

    He added: “It made me feel disgusting. He said, ‘If you truly love Allah, then you do it.’ I told him I get a horrid feeling when I see this.”

    The boys’ mother told the court that Ghumra told her son that kafirs, non-believers, “go to hell, even if they’re good people,” The Guardian reported.

  22. Tom

    Trump’s vague warning about a “calm before the storm” at a function this week with military leaders is driving the Get Trump vipers of the White House press corps absolutely out of their minds. Days later, they’re still grilling White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders about it. Sanders and Trump are playing them like a piano. Gee, she’s good.

  23. Leigh Lowe

    I love Eastern Europeans (those liberated post 1989 I mean).
    After dinner tonight I was discussing the vagaries of speed limits with our guesthouse host, as I was confused as to the number of speed limiting signs (50 kmh and 60 kmh) at the entrance to villages, but no derestriction signs.
    He explained that you only have to slow down for the village then resume normal speed as soon as you clear the town (designated by the name of the town with a red diagonal stripe through it).
    Him: “The maximum outside towns is 90 kmh and 130 kmh on the motorways”
    Me: “130 on the motorway? That’ll save some time.”
    Him: “Well, it is really 143 kmh before you break the law, because they give you 13 kmh allowance.”
    Me: “And what if I get caught? How much is the fine?”
    Him: “Well, this you agree with the Policeman. Pretend you didn’t see the speed sign and make a cash offer.”
    Me: “Cash? You mean a bribe”
    Him: (Eye-roll) : “Of course is a bribe. This is the way we do things in [country name redacted for legal reasons].
    Truly egalitarian.
    Anyone can bribe cops, unlike Australia where only Green-Left influence sways Plod.

  24. Louis Hissink

    There has been some emphasis on AI by some MSM web outlets but what’s new? AI has been with humanity for ages – AI aka Leftists or progressives.

  25. Tintarella di Luna

    Wow Hedley Thomas has certainly got a scoop — and well, well, well what a surprise – NOT

    Those lawyers at Slater & Gordon at the time have a lot to answer for yet …… but for their actions and INactions Australia has become the economic disaster it is now. And that that smug unethical creature is on the taxpayer dime swanning around Celebrityville and not in the clink is quite irksome – but then again perhaps that might be a punishment in itself given that Australians know what she was and is.

    The notes of a panicky meeting involving Bruce Wilson (former Prime Minister Ms Gillard’s squeeze at the time) and Bernard Murphy (now sitting on the Federal Court bench) – why hasn’t Bruce Wilson been prosecuted?

    One of the foundations of our system of government is for justice to be done and for it to be seen to be done and that justice delayed is justice denied. And that justice has been denied not only to the members of the Australian Workers Union but to the people of Australia.

  26. srr

    Disturbing Discrepancies Surround Marilou Danley and Mandalay Bay Massacre…
    Posted on October 6, 2017 by sundance

    Gateway Pundit is sharing a report from SunOnline which appears to contradict the framework of what Marilou Danley has stated to law enforcement. At least as it has been described by media.

    Previously, media have stated Marilou Danley had no idea Stephen Craig Paddock had dozens of rifles and weapons stored in the house. Additionally, again according to media reports, Danley and Paddock lived together and she left for a vacation to visit friends before he went on the attack in Las Vegas.

    However, according to neighbors of the house in Reno, these media reports don’t match the actual behavior:

    In an exclusive interview with Sun Online, Suzy Page, 68, who lives next door to Paddock and his girlfriend Marilou Danley, said: “It was the talk of the neighbourhood what on earth he had stashed in the safe, it was as big as a refrigerator…

    …“I lived next door to him and his girlfriend and never once got as much as a smile out of him.

    Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/06/disturbing-discrepancies-surround-marilou-danley-and-mandalay-bay-massacre/

    Also, witness accounts that are breaking all the official narratives –

    Michael Savage 10/4/17 – The Savage Nation Podcast October 4,2017 (Full Show)

  27. OldOzzie

    Who said the Russians do not have a sense of humour?

    RT Russia Today TV Promotion in middle of Departure area of St Petersburg Pulkovo Airport

    Continuously running big screen above 2 big RT Displays

    Screen 1
    Beware
    A PROPAGANDA BULLHORN
    is at work here

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    The longer you watch
    the more you upset

    HILLARY CLINTON
    because

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    Come closer and find out
    who we are

    PLANNING TO HACK
    Next

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    Missed a Plane?
    Lost an Election?

    BLAME IT ON US!

    Screen 5
    The CIA call us
    A ‘PROPAGANDA MACHINE’
    Find out what we call the CIA

    Screen 6
    That we are the ones
    THE FRENCH PRESIDENT
    IS LYING ABOUT

    Lying about him

  28. John Constantine

    Beyond Blue was set up to combat high suicide rates among obsolete and deplorable men.

    Australias corrupt, crony political class handed it as a slush fund to an individual that has spent her life working towards genocide of obsolete and deplorable Australians as the Final Solution to the racist settler colonial Australian problem.

    Beyond Blue is now focusing on gender politics and identity under gillards slush fund mentality.

    https://www.beyondblue.org.au/who-does-it-affect/lesbian-gay-bi-trans-and-intersex-lgbti-people
    The War is eternal, Comrades.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    Tinta.
    See the last para of my post at 6:37.
    Open bribery is better than what we have.

  30. OldOzzie

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2516823, posted on October 7, 2017 at 6:48 am
    Wow Hedley Thomas has certainly got a scoop — and well, well, well what a surprise – NOT

    Tintarella di Luna

    Michael Smith News has been running a lot of detail on the

    The Australian – Slater and Gordon knew extent of Wilson’s Workplace Reform Association crimes in AUG 95

  31. John Constantine

    Their left is proud to announce that significant numbers of previously unregistered under thirties have enrolled to vote for the gay marriage issue, so in theory will now vote for Stalin in all future elections.

  32. Atoms for Peace

    I love the smell of a slush fund in the morning.

  33. Gab

    Wow Hedley Thomas has certainly got a scoop

    Wow indeed. For the first time in ages I read an investigative article and not an opinion piece.
    I’m not used to this actual journalism. Well done, Hedley.

  34. notafan

    Bernard Murphy and Julia Gillard both walked out of the Slater and Gordon door after that episode.

    Julia surrendered her practising license.

    When did Bernard get his judgement?

    There was one other solicitor in that little group, also ended up a judge iirc.

  35. Wow Hedley Thomas has certainly got a scoop …

    Quite so.
    Redit. For the oz it is amazing. All stuff that Michael Smith has previously published.

    Young and naive people will respond with legal silencers. Be careful cats.

  36. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2516823, posted on October 7, 2017 at 6:48 am

    Justice? ALP? Loans Affair has never been fully explained. Al Grassby? Lionel Murphy?

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Can we try and keep it on a happier note?
    Some of the final posts on the old thread were suicide-worthy.

    People were playing some sad toons. And doing Friday nite drinks. Sometimes a sense of Fin de Ciecle on Friday nites, it can get too reflective, as everyone awaits the after midnight minute when Sinc makes his call for the shiny new thread. At least it wasn’t one of those nights when everyone was fighting and making a mess; Calli’s off-shift right now with the skip, skipping around the globe instead.

    I was going to go to a dance class this morning but I don’t think I will make it. Need to recover. We’re due out tonight and maybe I’ll stick to mineral water at table. Must remind Zulu that looking at old photos of how great you once looked should be done sober and in daylight hours with some sensible person around saying youth is wasted on the young. World’s back to normal now with Tom checking in with our usual morning fare for a good day ahead. Thanks Tom.

  38. Leigh Lowe

    The lessons.
    Never elect a PM called Malcolm.
    Never appoint a judge called Murphy.

  39. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Wow Hedley Thomas has certainly got a scoop
    Wow indeed. For the first time in ages I read an investigative article and not an opinion piece.

    It’s been a long time coming. The Gillard years seem aeons ago now.

  40. John Constantine

    Clinton crime family slush fund payments.

    Adelaide university slush fund payments

    EMILY’S list for the pacific islands slush fund payments

    Their abc fact check unit slush fund payments

    Ruinables rort slush fund payments

    NDIS slush fund payments

    NBN slush fund payments

    Defence aquisition slush fund payments

    Voteherd importation industry slushfund payments

    Job placement industry slushfund payments

    Diversity and Inclusion industry slushfund payments

    Their julia slush-lard has one mentality when given a sniff of power over funding.

    Slush it for Stalin, Comrades.

  41. notafan

    Seem to be a lot of vultures picking over the bones of the Las Vegas dead.

    Absolutely no shame and not a single thought or prayer for the victims and their families, just more and more monatised videos with one ugly, vicious screwy theory after another.

  42. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #2516828, posted on October 7, 2017 at 6:56 am
    Tinta.
    See the last para of my post at 6:37.
    Open bribery is better than what we have.

    1950s Australia there was ‘law and order’. Then we had ‘law reform’.

  43. This is the way we do things in …

    A purely hypothetical question for fellow cats.

    A law breaker escapes prosecution by corrupting (influencing) various officials of police, public service and the legal fraternity.

    Who would be your first target? The criminal or the corrupt?

    My preference is to go hard at the corrupt, they are the enablers. Forget the perp.

  44. rickw

    “That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.”

    Thomas Jefferson would fucking hate Australia, that’s the whole bloody business model right there!

  45. Fergus

    Daesh/isis builds on their virtual Caliphate in the deep web, like the creepy p3ds that they already are
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2017/Oct-06/421760-daesh-defeating-the-virtual-caliphate.ashx

  46. stackja

    Kevin Rudd enrols at Oxford University to study Chinese president
    Rob Harris, National politics reporter, Herald Sun
    October 6, 2017 7:00pm
    Subscriber only
    KEVIN Rudd — twice Australia’s prime minister — has returned to study, at Britain’s prestigious Oxford University.

    The former Labor PM, now the president of the New York-based think tank the Asia Society, has begun a DPhil — the Oxford equivalent of a PhD.

    Mr Rudd said he would be at Oxford’s China Centre for the next month undertaking a research project on China’s president Xi Jinping’s “worldview”.

  47. “That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.”
    Thomas Jefferson would raise an armed militia to obliterate the ABC and government ‘advertising’.

  48. rickw

    It’s been a long time coming. The Gillard years seem aeons ago now.

    How much jail time is the bitch looking at?

  49. rickw


    Paul Zanetti.

    Zanetti well skewers out tool of a prime minister.

  50. stackja

    incoherent rambler
    #2516854, posted on October 7, 2017 at 7:50 am
    This is the way we do things in …

    A purely hypothetical question for fellow cats.

    A law breaker escapes prosecution by corrupting (influencing) various officials of police, public service and the legal fraternity.

    Who would be your first target? The criminal or the corrupt?

    My preference is to go hard at the corrupt, they are the enablers. Forget the perp.

    Corruption? Covered up for years. Depends on who you are and who you know.

  51. Leigh Lowe

    Mr Rudd said he would be at Oxford’s China Centre for the next month undertaking a research project on China’s president Xi Jinping’s “worldview”.

    Start by testing this hypothesis, you dickhead …
    “Do Chinese leaders respond well to being labelled ‘Chinese rat-fuckers’ by inconsequential nobodies?”

  52. Entropy.

    Yes nota. The vacuum from the authorities just invites the loons to come up with all sorts of dark conspiracies.
    On the bright side it keeps SRR busy.

  53. stackja

    Nobel Peace Prize/Winners (2017)
    International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons

    Kim’s favorite group?

  54. Entropy.

    Mr Rudd said he would be at Oxford’s China Centre for the next month undertaking a research project on China’s president Xi Jinping’s “worldview”.

    Does that mean Rudd will be interviewing a lot of rats who have met Xi Jinping? For research purposes of course.

  55. rickw

    Mr Rudd said he would be at Oxford’s China Centre for the next month undertaking a research project on China’s president Xi Jinping’s “worldview”.

    Looking for a quiet place to chow down on some ear fruit.

  56. Entropy

    Mr Rudd said he would be at Oxford’s China Centre for the next month undertaking a research project on China’s president Xi Jinping’s “worldview

    ”.

    Does that mean Rudd will be interviewing a lot of rats who have met Xi Jinping? For research purposes of course.

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    just more and more monatised videos with one ugly, vicious screwy theory after another.

    That’s what set me off last night, Notafan. That awful ‘body language reading’ woman. I know the brother did a rave but to be honest I didn’t watch it all, because I couldn’t stand her busting in with her stupid ‘analysis’. The murderer’s family has been turned upside down; just let it be and let the investigators do their job.

    As you say, the primary thoughts should be with those who have deceased and injured loved ones; lives suddenly cut short or irrevocably changed in an instant, reverberating through hundreds of networks of kin and friends. There is never a proper answer to ‘why?’ in all of this. But honour the dead and assist and sympathise with those who will always live with the memory of this tragedy. Pray for them if that’s what you do.

  58. Fergus

    In this case, the diagnosis is incorrect. The problem is not white men, but men. So, not race, but gender. Only two of the 91 mass shootings were perpetrated by women.
    (Women get them preterm)

  59. Geriatric Mayfly

    Wonder if these notes which have suddenly fallen off the back of a truck, were withheld from the TURC. I recall that there were folders with “missing files” one of particular relevance in WA. The wheels grind awful slow, but thanks to Hedley they are still turning.

  60. stackja

    Hedley thanks to Rupert?

  61. John Constantine

    Can it really be a corrupt, crony Ponzi scheme Rort, when the entire economy is built upon it?.

    Without outright debtfunded Ponzi corruption, how many Australian houses would sell for over a million dollars?.

    Without corruption, how much of Australia’s electricity generation would keep working?.

    Without corruption, how many Australian university graduates would get low hours, high pay, high travel,locked in benefits government jobs?.

    Honesty and ethics would be the downfall of the crony services kleptocracy.

    Quick, grab their guns and gag their God before they come for the corruptocracy.

    Comrades.

  62. Boambee John

    Re the Hedley Thomas story on Bruce Wilson.

    The now Justice Murphy is an officer of the court. Unless his court is in a cave with no links to the outside world, he must have been aware of Wikson’s appearance before the TradeUnion Royal Commission.

    He was aware of an individual committing perjury before a Royal Commission, but did not advise the Commission of this fact.

    Has Justice Murphy either committed an offence or compromised his standing as a judge?

    What is the appropriate penalty for any such offence?

  63. stackja

    Fergus
    #2516874, posted on October 7, 2017 at 8:13 am
    Link for the above
    https://theconversation.com/are-mass-shootings-a-white-mans-problem-85286

    Chicago
    Final September Totals
    Shot & Killed: 58
    Shot & Wounded: 273
    Total Shot: 331
    Total Homicides: 58

    Week in Progress (10/1 – 10/7)
    Shot & Killed: 8
    Shot & Wounded: 49
    Total Shot: 57
    Total Homicides: 8

  64. notafan

    It’s not really about primary thoughts, but the complete abscence of thought, suffering just a convenient prop for manufacturing conspiracies to keep the YouTube dollars flowing.

    Judge, juries and executioners.

    As for the woman doing the character assasination on the brother in Florida, who the heck is she and why is she suddenly given international credibility?

    I’m entirely skeptical about all these self proclaimed experts, and the agenda pushers.

    What they do reveal is some disturbing interior ugliness, much more in common with this world’s Stephen Paddocks than the ordinary decent people caught up in the Last Vegas horror.

    There were some real heroes there that night and those internet a’holes aren’t fit to lick their boots.

  65. notafan

    Men are more likely to be involved in violence.

    Water is wet.

    Now we should change the nature of humanity?

    I love how people who reject Christianity, who reject the idea of sin want to refashion humanity into their own ideal.

    Really, feminizing the world is the solution?

    Please go away, in the manner the nice man suggested on the Catalan thread.

  66. As Fisky forecast, the Trump administration indeed issued key protections for religious/ and moral liberty:

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions acted Friday upon Section 4’s mandate, issuing guidance that declares 20 separate protections under federal law. They include:

    The freedom of religion is a fundamental right of paramount importance, expressly protected by federal law.
    The free exercise of religion includes the right to act or abstain from action in accordance with one’s religious beliefs.
    The freedom of religion extends to persons and
    Americans do not give up their freedom of religion by participating in the marketplace, partaking of the public square, or interacting with the government.
    Government may not restrict acts or abstentions because of the beliefs they display.
    Government may not target religious individuals or entities for special disabilities based on their religion.
    Government may not target religious individuals or entities through discriminatory enforcement of neutral, generally applicable laws.
    Government may not officially favor or disfavor particular religious groups.
    Government may not interfere with the autonomy of a religious organization.
    The attorney general’s memorandum includes protections under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), including (#14) how demanding its legal standard is in protecting religious liberty, (#12) that it does not allow the federal government “to second-guess the reasonableness of a religious belief,” and (#13) RFRA is violated when the government “substantially pressures” a religious person or group “to modify such observance or practice.”

    Sessions also clarifies religious protections under Title VII in federal law governing employers, regarding (#16) not discriminating against employees on the basis of religion, including (#17) religious observance and practice. Additionally, (#19) religious employers have the right to hire only individuals who agree with that religious faith, and (#20) the federal government may not require an organization to set aside any of its religious-liberty rights as a condition for getting any grant or benefit.

    Great news indeed.

  67. Bruce of Newcastle

    He’s amazing.

    Musk Is Sending A “Powerwall Team” To Puerto Rico To Restore Electricity

    Elon Musk said he believes his company could rebuild Puerto Rico’s power grid using batteries and solar power technology to make energy on the island less costly.

    South Australia is but the first step in conquering the world?

    The really amazing bit to my mind is the video I posted a while ago of all the wind turbines and solar farms on Puerto Rico which had been destroyed. The wind turbines lost all their blades and the solar farms had been turned into expensive confetti.

    So now Elon Musk wants to rebuild all those wind turbines and solar farms PLUS batteries to make electricity “cheaper” just in time for the next hurricane to shred them all again?

    What was it someone said about repeating the same action over and over again hoping for a different result?

  68. Boambee John

    IR at 0754

    Thomas Jefferson would raise an armed militia to obliterate the ABC and government ‘advertising’.

    The strongest evidence of the value of an armed society in combating government overreach, ironically, is the Muslim “community”. The government knows that the Muslims have access to weapons and are quite willing to use them.

    Lo and behold, the government lets Muslims get away with activities that would see obsolete Australians in jail so fast their feet wouldn’t touch the ground.

    We needs our politicians to have the same fear of us that they have of Muslims.

  69. Baldrick

    The notes of a panicky meeting involving Bruce Wilson (former Prime Minister Ms Gillard’s squeeze at the time) and Bernard Murphy (now sitting on the Federal Court bench) – why hasn’t Bruce Wilson been prosecuted?

    If only he was a Cardinal.

  70. Geriatric Mayfly

    Nobel Peace Prize Winner Calls Donald Trump a ‘Moron’
    The leader of an anti-nuclear group called U.S. President Donald Trump a “moron” just days before she stepped forward to accept the 2017 Nobel Peace Prize.

    Next trophy for this bint: The Sydney Peace Prize.

  71. notafan

    Dover,

    Bakers and Florists also protected?

  72. Mike of Marion

    Boambee John
    #2516877, posted on October 7, 2017 at 8:17 am

    Benefits you ask?

    Nice property on the Sydney Harbour.
    Commonwealth Indexed Pension for life
    Furnished Office (for memoirs) and Staff.
    Free Air Travel.

  73. Baldrick

    Mr Rudd said he would be at Oxford’s China Centre for the next month undertaking a research project on China’s president Xi Jinping’s “worldview”.

    I think we already know Kevni’s worldview of the Chinese – “Rat-fuckers”.

  74. stackja

    JULY 22 2011
    Senior public servant sacked over Currawong
    Sean Nicholls

    THE senior bureaucrat at the centre of the Currawong corruption inquiry, Warwick Watkins, has been sacked from the public service after 41 years after admitting using a letter backdated by former planning minister Tony Kelly to mislead investigators.

    Mr Watkins’s deputy, Bob Costello, who drafted the backdated letter, has been suspended.

    Mr Watkins was chief executive of the Land and Property Management Authority when he exchanged contracts with the developer Eco-Villages Pty Ltd to purchase the former workers’ retreat at Pittwater for $12.2 million two weeks before the state election in March.

    He was stood down and the matter referred to the Independent Commission Against Corruption over allegations he had completed the purchase without authorisation from Mr Kelly or the then premier, Kristina Keneally.

  75. duncanm

    Has Justice Murphy either committed an offence or compromised his standing as a judge?

    I’m sure the slimeballs can hide behind client privilege.

    Good on Hedley for finding the smoking gun that proves Murphy was effectively appointed (/heavily backed by gillard) to the high court to shut him up.

    What a nest of vipers.

  76. For being the “dark ages,” medieval Europeans were sure able to produce some of the world’s most beautiful and intricate buildings ever made.

    Indeed. And they did so for a reason. These buildings meant a great deal to the masons, etc. involved.

  77. min

    Just been on Michaelsmithnews. You will find Murphey’s evidence from TURC there .All very revealing as he then puts up other documentation such as the exit interview that shows how S&G covered up what really happened . The Sh##t has really hit the fan now. .Michael actually has found some missing files in his preparation to take civil action against Gillard and co.

  78. Andrew

    rickw
    #2516861, posted on October 7, 2017 at 7:55 am
    It’s been a long time coming. The Gillard years seem aeons ago now.

    How much jail time is the bitch looking at?

    Can someone explain to me why the Gillard-Wilson crime spree isn’t statute barred? How is the sexist pig / idiot patsy on charges after all this time?

  79. Mike of Marion

    My prediction
    Wilson Gillard/Murphy

    “Nothing to see here”, say the Attorney-General.

  80. Nick

    I think we already know Kevni’s worldview of the Chinese – “Rat-fuckers”.

    Or, in Chinese, Lat Fucker

  81. Dover,

    Bakers and Florists also protected?

    Those first few points would suggest so, notafan.

  82. Boambee John

    notafan

    Really, feminizing the world is the solution?

    This solution brought to you by Emily’s list, sponsors of world wide abortion on a scale that makes the Western Front look like a Sunday school picnic.

  83. hzhousewife

    Absolutely no shame and not a single thought or prayer for the victims and their families, just more and more monatised videos with one ugly, vicious screwy theory after another.

    Hard to see from here, but they have raised over 9 million for families of the victims so far.

  84. pete m

    re breaching confidentiality by a solicitor:
    Australian Solicitors
    Conduct Rules

    9. Confidentiality
    9.1 A solicitor must not disclose any information which is confidential to a client and
    acquired by the solicitor during the client’s engagement to any person who is not:
    9.1.1 a solicitor who is a partner, principal, director, or employee of the solicitor’s law practice; or
    9.1.2 a barrister or an employee of, or person otherwise engaged by, the solicitor’s law
    practice or by an associated entity for the purposes of delivering or administering
    legal services in relation to the client,
    EXCEPT as permitted in Rule 9.2.
    9.2 A solicitor may disclose confidential client information if:
    9.2.1 the client expressly or impliedly authorises disclosure;
    9.2.2 the solicitor is permitted or is compelled by law to disclose;
    9.2.3 the solicitor discloses the information in a confidential setting, for the
    sole purpose of obtaining advice in connection with the solicitor’s legal
    or ethical obligations;
    9.2.4 the solicitor discloses the information for the sole purpose of avoiding the probable
    commission of a serious criminal offence;
    9.2.5 the solicitor discloses the information for the purpose of preventing imminent
    serious physical harm to the client or to another person; or
    9.2.6 the information is disclosed to the insurer of the solicitor, law practice or associated entity.

    Please be very VERY careful before making any adverse comment about Judge Murphy on this board.

  85. pete m

    Andrew – some crimes have no time limit – eg murder, fraud

  86. notafan

    Hz,

    I don’t think we are talking about the same theys.

  87. John Constantine

    Their Beyond Blue, has in one Stalinist masterstroke, been recast into a gender and identity politics slushfund.

    Their julia slush-lard awarded a bully pulpit for loyalty to the cause,

    Comrades.

  88. H B Bear

    Can someone explain to me why the Gillard-Wilson crime spree isn’t statute barred? How is the sexist pig / idiot patsy on charges after all this time?

    No limitation on criminal matters.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That reconstruction of a painted basilica in Notafan’s link showed how medieval people loved to see colour, bright and contrasting colour. So did the ancient civilisations: it shocks ‘purists’ to know that all of those famous statues were likely to have been painted in raucous colours.

    We are so used to colour in our technological world. Not just on media screens, but in clothing and items that surround us. Time was when most people existed in a sort of drab brown-grey world, and only nature offered the treats of the spectrum, especially in flowers, which were worn as magical wreaths by women, and still are in Sweden at midsummer, and in Tahiti by tourists. In the past, proper dyes were hard to get. Black was apparently chosen as the Chaucer Prioresses’ cloth because it signified wealth and access to very good dyes. Homespun undyed was everyone else’s lot. Purple was the Imperial colour in Rome. A bright crimson was also much admired, and cerulean blues made skies in many a palace, while the deeper hues of lapis lazuli were much sought after as decorative items, as were other precious coloured stones. Colour was magnificence indeed. Now we have a surfeit of colour in all things and deem minimalism in palette to be soothing. Until designers tell us we should make our surrounds ‘pop’ and set off the trend for bright cushions everywhere against ‘distressed’ aged and faded pseudo-antiques and resurgent hippie homespuns.

    Now Attapuss wants to play with me. He is grey by night and grey by day too.
    No tiger, tiger, burning bright orange for him.

  90. H B Bear

    Pretty comprehensive list there John Constantine at 7.44am The Slapper has always played fast and loose with OPM both legally and illegally.

  91. cuckoo

    Watched the newses last night to see how they covered Harvey Weinstein. Probably the best account was by SBS. The others briefly flogged him with a stick of overcooked asparagus and then gave fulsome coverage to his bogus remorse. George Pell must be wondering what you have to do to get this kind of consideration from the media.

  92. stackja

    The battle for Currawong has finally taken wing
    Piers Akerman, The Daily Telegraph
    April 30, 2009 8:03am

    Keneally cited environmental concerns about the plan by developers Allen Linz Eduard Litver to dump massive amounts of fill into the park-bound site and erect 25 modern homes. The fight for Currawong would rival the script for the hit Australian film The Castle, with the baddies being a succession of State Labor ministers and, in a surprise twist, the White Knight being the newest State Planning Minister. Over a decade ago, then NSW Labor Council secretary Michael Costa saw the sale of Currawong as a means to two ends close to his heart. He and his wife had become converts to the Guru Maharishi Yogi and his squad of bum-bouncing fans and the Labor Council wanted an infusion of cash. A sale to the transcendental meditationistas would give them an exquisite site from which to see the sunrise and the cash would be a sublime gift to the union movement. Unfortunately, the Maharishi’s local representatives proved to be less than they initially seemed and the deal attracted nothing but bad press before evaporating. Costa moved on to become Treasurer of NSW but the lure of converting Currawong into cash still fascinated John Robertson, his successor at the Labor Council — now rebadged as Unions NSW. He found, or was approached by, Linz and Litver, who control several companies, one of which had been involved in a failed computer operation in concert with the Labor Council. Their interlocking company accounts appear ultimately to disappear into the secrecy of the British Virgin Islands, a notorious tax haven. After a curious process in which another of their companies vetted tender proposals for the sale, another Linz and Litver company was the successful tenderer with an offer of $15 million, much less than the reported $50million tendered by another party and $25 million reportedly bid by a third. In due course, then Planning Minister Frank Sartor removed the approval process from Pittwater Council and took it upon himself to make the final decision — although he left the portfolio before acting. Local activists, including a formerly stalwart Labor supporter, the actor Shane Withington, were disgusted but they were to be snubbed again when the federal Minister for the Environment, Heritage and the Arts Peter Garrett reneged on a pledge to protect the site from development. Keneally has found a face-saving means of extricating the Labor Party from this mess but the pusillanimous Independent Commission Against Corruption has yet to ask any hard questions about the smelly affair — least of all whether Unions NSW received any money for the site? The fight to preserve Currawong is not yet over but the ministerial decision marks one small victory.

  93. zyconoclast

    Anheuser-Busch May Consider Dropping NFL.. Here’s How You Can Vote

    One of the National Football League’s largest sponsors has made a move that has many believing it could be dropping the NFL — and it’s seeking America’s input on the decision.

  94. Geriatric Mayfly

    A bright crimson was also much admired, and cerulean blues made skies in many a palace, while the deeper hues of lapis lazuli were much sought after as decorative items, as were other precious coloured stones. Colour was magnificence indeed.

    Just finished a book – Colour by Victoria Finlay on this very topic. The author is a clone of Miss Marple, tramping the world and some of its wilds, investigating the origin of dyes and the solutions sought to keep the colours vibrant and permanent. Not easy, until the arrival of synthetic colours. Woad, shellfish, lapis, indigo, magenta etc etc sometimes needed a lot of help.
    She mentioned the restoration of Titian’s Bacchus and Ariadne in the late sixties. The brilliant colours, especially the magnificent lapis blue sky were summoned up from under the smoke and old varnish. I was in London at the time, and the viewing public was not amused. There were letters to The Times.

  95. Nick

    For Cats with NETFLIX, ‘the good place’ is very funny and is worth a look.

  96. notafan

    It is amusing that neo classicism is all stark white racist marble much admired by the hoity toity classes when the reality was most likely colour, as bold and bright as possible

    Lots of evidence of colour, thoughout the ages and yes paint still fades and flakes and eventually disappears.

    .

  97. rickw


    The strongest evidence of the value of an armed society in combating government overreach, ironically, is the Muslim “community”. The government knows that the Muslims have access to weapons and are quite willing to use them.

    Lo and behold, the government lets Muslims get away with activities that would see obsolete Australians in jail so fast their feet wouldn’t touch the ground.

    We needs our politicians to have the same fear of us that they have of Muslims.

    Quite so.

  98. H B Bear

    Google’s G threatens Peppa Pig in a speech to the geriatric faithful that is simply more of the same from the ALPBC staff co-op.

    The only solution with that place is nuclear.

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    Happy meal!

    McDonald’s is trialling a vegan burger… the McVegan

    If there was any lingering doubt that veganism is going mainstream, the existence of the McVegan should clear it up. According to Food & Wine, McDonald’s is trialling a new meatless burger.

    The soy-based patty is served with a schmear of vegan McFeast sauce, tomato, lettuce, onions and pickles. But there’s a catch – it’s exclusively available in Tampere, a city in southern Finland.

    The test-run started on October 4 and Tampere residents have until November 21 to sample the McVegan for themselves. A representative for McDonald’s told TODAY that the meatless burger “is limited to McDonald’s Finland and there are no current plans for that to change.”

    I look forward to the McInsects burger.

  100. min

    pete m would you please read Murphey’s evidence at TURC and rhen make a comment ( available on Michaelsmithnews.com) . can you also tell me if to prevent damage to the law firm is a consideration in witholding evidence if that is ok.?
    Large difference in exit interview with Gillard and what he said under oath? at TURC
    Every touch leaves a trace as Michael says.

  101. From the Old Fred
    Egg;

    My old man was beaten to death by a bunch of Abos in a drunken brawl – do you see me hatin’ Abos/alco’s, etc.?

    Unfortunately, Egg, when dealing with tribals like aboriginals and Muslims, the only thing they will respect is tribal reprisal.
    Maybe they would have settled down if several of the family had gone back and slaughtered a dozen rels?
    Failing to develop adequate deterrents has led us to the current state of helplessness against Leftists, governments, Islam and aboriginals.
    It’s nothing to be proud of.

  102. It is amusing that neo classicism is all stark white racist marble much admired by the hoity toity classes when the reality was most likely colour, as bold and bright as possible

    Lots of evidence of colour, thoughout the ages and yes paint still fades and flakes and eventually disappears.

    Think of the stained glass, etc. destroyed by the iconoclasts of the Reformation. Consider, too, the feasts, festivals, etc. that was a natural part of communal medieval life, as depicted, for instance, by Duffy in The Stripping of the Altars.

  103. Regarding Hedley / AWU story.

    The most telling point is that Murphy indicated to Wilson they would not tell AWU about the dodgy accounts due to privilege. These accounts were set up with the purpose of looking like genuine AWU accounts. Surely S&G had an obligation to tell the organisation. AWU was the corporate client rather than Wilson who would not be around forever.

    Gillard totally compromised the integrity of the firm.

    However we are talking about events 22-24 years ago. It is a very complex case. Good luck getting any law enforcement organisation interested in going back so far into history.

  104. Grace Collier on page 22 of Oz talks about University workplace agreements and what happened at Murdoch Uni.

    Says they are absurd and outdated and if detailed the public and Government would be horrified.

    Note to Grace : Please continue. I want the public and Government to be horrified.

  105. Nick

    However we are talking about events 22-24 years ago. It is a very complex case. Good luck getting any law enforcement organisation interested in going back so far into history.

    Unless they’ve punched a wall.

  106. Nick,
    Have forensics seized the wall yet for DNA traces ?! Surely there must be a Task Force somewhere looking into this hate crime against walls.

  107. banger

    For all the punters out there here are my 3 bets for the day :

    SR6 H3
    SR7 H1
    MR7 H1
    Short odds , but a good bet , I’ve had all three in doubles and a treble.

    Good luck punting

  108. Slayer of Memes

    Turnbull can’t answer Tracey grimshaw’s question about burkhas and the new facial recognition software, and instead indicates the burkha will get an exameption…

    So, according to Turnbull, the religious extremism that has prompted all the new terrorism laws (including the ‘bollards of peace’) will get an exemption from the terrorism laws….. because Islamophobia, Mal?

    Greatest. PM. nEVAR!

    Where the fuck are Sinc and aussiepundit to defend this fucking Point Piper-dwelling clown…

  109. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    3 Charged in Alleged ISIS-Inspired Plot to Target New York Concerts, Landmarks, Subways: Feds

    Investigators said the goal was to injure and maim as many people as possible, but the suspect was arrested before obtaining any weapons

  110. herodotus

    Good luck getting any law enforcement organisation interested in going back so far into history.

    Unless it’s Get Pell etc.

  111. Andreas

    Good luck getting any law enforcement organisation interested in going back so far into history.

    They’ve done exactly that and charged Blewitt but not Wilson – that’s the point of the article.

  112. Dr Faustus

    Security and freedom go hand in hand’: Turnbull plays down civil liberties fears

    Scanning live CCTV isn’t part of the new system, but police wanting to identify someone in such footage can get access in real-time.

    The data could also be accessed by private operators – stadium or airport operators, for example – but only for a “lawful purpose” and with government approval and supervision.

    Whether that could include for cases of petty theft in shopping centres remains unclear.

    “It doesn’t involve mass surveillance,” Mr Turnbull said.

    History shows that Mr Turnbull has an acute grasp of information technology.
    Meanwhile, the vote herd settles quietly to the new order…

  113. Andreas

    They can’t even be honest about the source of the terrorism problem, there’s no way they should be trusted with facial recognition technology.

  114. Cold-Hands

    Reports of shooting continued after Paddock was dead…

    The full Las Vegas police dispatch scanner audio has been released by Broadcastify, and it proves that first responder police confirmed that Stephen Paddock was not a lone wolf gunman, but received assistance from “multiple shooters at multiple locations.”

    The scanner audio reveals that police received many reports from witnesses saying multiple people were shooting, and that Mandalay Bay security informed them there were shots fired from “floors 29 and 32.”

    Besides the many eyewitness reports from members of the public, a police officer also urgently confirmed that there were at least two active shooters in the Mandalay Bay.

    “CONFIRMED there are at least 2 shooters with fully automatic weapons,” a police officer reported at 18:54 in the recording.

    Multiple scenes then developed across Las Vegas, with police reporting and confirming multiple active shooters at the Tropicana and New York, New York Hotel-Casino (NY, NY).

    “CONFIRMED – Giles and Alibaba, casualties, East of the Catholic Shrine. SO WE HAVE TWO SCENES!,” said another officer at 38:30 in the recoding, confirming that there were casualties at Giles and Alibaba, a location out of range of Stephen Paddock’s gunfire from the Mandalay Bay.

    Fog-of-war clearly applies… hard to see how there could be a shooter from the 29th floor without a broken window on that level. While some casualties found out of line-of-sight from the Mandelay Bay may just be victims from Paddock’s fusilade seeking cover from him, shooting reports and casualties inside other hotels, particularly after Paddock was dead does suggest at least one other shooter.

  115. Snoopy

    FBI assessed shooting attack on Republicans by Sanders supporter as not terrorism. State of Virginia decides otherwise.

    The Daily Caller was the first to report last June that Hodgkinson had a list of Republican congressmen in his pocket at the time of the shooting, a fact the FBI later confirmed.
    The state report contradicts the conclusion put forth by the FBI, which treated the mass assassination attempt as “assault” rather than terrorism.

  116. Crossie

    Turnbull can’t answer Tracey grimshaw’s question about burkhas and the new facial recognition software, and instead indicates the burkha will get an exameption…

    So, according to Turnbull, the religious extremism that has prompted all the new terrorism laws (including the ‘bollards of peace’) will get an exemption from the terrorism laws….. because Islamophobia, Mal?

    Greatest. PM. nEVAR!

    Where the fuck are Sinc and aussiepundit to defend this fucking Point Piper-dwelling clown…

    Mr Harbourside Mansion Prime Minister IS the bestest ever! Why, he and Lucy host the best Iftar dinners and then march in the Mardi Gras parades. See, reconciling the irreconcilable. Genius.

    It’s you bogans who can’t possibly understand nuance.

  117. max

    Well done, banger.

    Will be watching. Good times.

  118. Boambee John:

    The strongest evidence of the value of an armed society in combating government overreach, ironically, is the Muslim “community”. The government knows that the Muslims have access to weapons and are quite willing to use them.

    Straight to the pool room!
    36 words encapsulating just why we need weapons.
    Brilliant.

  119. stackja

    Trump Carves Out More Religious Exemptions in Obama’s Contraceptive Mandate

    The Trump administration has rolled back another Obama-era regulation. No longer will employers be forced to provide contraception coverage under their health plans, freeing them from violating their religious consciences. The Department of Health and Human Services issued the new rules Friday.

    The rules would let a broad range of employers — including nonprofits, private firms and publicly traded companies — stop offering free contraceptives through their health insurance plans if they have a “sincerely held religious or moral objection,” senior agency officials said on a call about the implementation and enforcement of the new rules.
    This could apply to the roughly 200 entities that have participated in about 50 lawsuits over birth control coverage, according to the agency, which said that “99.9% of women” who currently receive birth control through the contraceptive mandate would not be affected. At the time of the call, it was unclear how the administration arrived at this data point.

  120. Crossie

    The Daily Caller was the first to report last June that Hodgkinson had a list of Republican congressmen in his pocket at the time of the shooting, a fact the FBI later confirmed.
    The state report contradicts the conclusion put forth by the FBI, which treated the mass assassination attempt as “assault” rather than terrorism.

    When did the FBI appoint Duncan Lewis as their spokesman?

  121. egg_

    People were playing some sad toons.

    The discussion was about having empathy for the shooter’s brother.
    It’s a little difficult when he’s obviously a fruitcake from a nest of cuckoos and showed scant empathy for the the hundreds of victims in the US’s worst massacre.

  122. Boambee John

    Winston at 1048

    Thank you.

  123. egg_

    Unfortunately, Egg, when dealing with tribals like aboriginals and Muslims, the only thing they will respect is tribal reprisal.

    He was harmless but had a smart mouth when he had a few under the skin – punctured lung took him out (plus, he was a ‘jockey’ – my bros and I are all strapping 6 footers).

  124. stackja

    History of the Andersonville Prison
    Commonly known as Andersonville, the military prison facility was officially named Camp Sumter, in honor of the county in which it was located. Construction of the camp began in early 1864 after the decision had been made to relocate Union prisoners to a more secure location. This decision was made because of the battles taking place near Richmond, VA where many prisoners were being held, and as a way to procure a greater food supply.

    Camp Sumter was only in operation for fourteen months, however, during that time 45,000 Union soldiers were imprisoned there, and nearly 13,000 died from disease, poor sanitation, malnutrition, overcrowding, or exposure.

    When the war ended, Captain Henry Wirz, the stockade commander, was arrested and charged with “murder, in violation of the laws of war.” Tried and found guilty by a military tribunal, Wirz was hanged in Washington, D,C. on November 10, 1865. A monument to Wirz, erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, stands today in the town of Andersonville.

    Andersonville prison ceased operation in May 1865. Most former prisoners returned to their prewar occupations, In July and August 1865, a expedition of laborers and soldiers, accompanied by a former prisoner named Dorence Atwater and Clara Barton came to Andersonville to identify and mark the graves of the Union dead and transform the place into the Anderosnville National Cemetery. As a paroled prisoner, Atwater was assigned to record the names of deceased Union soldiers. Fearing loss of the death record at war’s end, Atwater made his own copy in hopes of notifying the relatives of some 12,000 dead interred here. Thanks to his list and the Confederates records confiscated at the end of the war, only 460 of the Andersonville graves had to be marked “unknown US soldier.”

  125. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    They’ve done exactly that and charged Blewitt but not Wilson – that’s the point of the article.

    Ralph Blewitt has said he’s over 70 and wants to come back to Australia, face the music, and end his days in Australia. He more or less walked into Vic Pol HQ and said “Are you guys charging me, or what?.” He’s due back in front of the courts in November, and says he’ll be calling both Gilliard and Wilson as witnesses.

  126. stackja

    Sharron Phillips: Taxi driver confirmed as killer in 31-year cold case
    Kate Kyriacou, The Courier-Mail
    October 7, 2017 1:00am
    Subscriber only

    THE man who murdered Sharron Phillips was a Vietnam veteran who bragged of being a serial killer and called himself “The Gingerbread Man” – chillingly boasting to his family “you can’t catch me”.

    And The Courier-Mail can reveal police were standing metres from Sharron as she was bundled into the boot of her killer’s car.

    Detectives have sensationally revealed they have enough evidence to charge taxi driver Raymond Mulvihill with murder – but can’t because he died in 2002.

    An inquest into her disappearance will be reopened.

  127. Mike of Marion

    Rosie O’Donnell and Ellen and certainly Hillary are going to go ape-shit when they see these images of FLOTUS Trump in a sweater!!
    Fills out quite well!!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4956778/Melania-Trump-wears-festive-red-skirt.html

  128. C.L.

    The strongest evidence of the value of an armed society in combating government overreach, ironically, is the Muslim “community”.

    I don’t think this thesis stands up to scrutiny at all.
    The overreach of government in Australia began with Whitlam in the 1970s (and earlier).
    Having lots of guns didn’t save the Australian people.
    But the best case repudiating the thesis is the US itself.
    Its population armed to the teeth, the government has become more and more fascistic over the past 50 years. It’s not as though Obamacare was stopped by Glocks, the Little Sisters of the Poor rescued by rifles or the communism of Roosevelt hated by shotties.
    By all means argue there should be a right to bear arms but don’t claim it makes any difference to the size and tyranny of the US government.

  129. stackja

    C.L.
    #2516972, posted on October 7, 2017 at 11:27 am

    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”

    Better a ballot box?

  130. egg_

    The strongest evidence of the value of an armed society in combating government overreach, ironically, is the Muslim “community”.

    Claiming ‘victimhood’ at each and every opportunity, more likely.
    Note how they send their wymmin folk to do their dirty work on Q&A and a weasel like Squalid hosting Teh Project.

  131. Geriatric Mayfly

    Peter Mandelson tracks down his Australian lineage. The Oz

    May the Lord preserve us; not another Abo.

  132. Joe

    Better a ballot box?

    Yes, because the ballot box has done just so swimmingly in protecting us and our property up to now!

    Democracy is designed by the elite to give power to the elite. It’s designed to ensure that the power of the citizen is passed onto their representative, or the demagogue who can garner the most votes in the case of direct democracy. In all cases the power passes from the citizen to the representative – who has NO binding allegiance to the citizen whose power he has taken. Citizens; powerless, elite; powerful with no limits.

    Time to recognise this BS for what it is – Aristocracy without the accession provisions.

    Only Sortition can level the field. All else is just acceding to the whims of the elite.

  133. calli

    Trying hrd and failing to keep up. In all the barrow-loads of opinion, has a single, easily discovered fact been discovered? Was Paddock registered to vote?

  134. Cold-Hands

    Was Paddock registered to vote?

    Stephen C Paddock (the shooter) does not appear to have a recorded affiliation.
    The registered Democrat Stephen Paddock in Florida has a different middle initial.

  135. Jo Smyth

    If you listen to Still Report 1819 he now gives viable reasons why there could have been a second shooter in LV. I hope the Police and CIA, who are doing their best to create a cover up, realise that there are too many people out there who have the means to uncover what really happened.

  136. calli

    Homespun undyed was everyone else’s lot.

    You would be surprised at the depth of colour some natural dyes can achieve. Most on the soft greens, greys and taupey end, but some very rich, especially when used with mordants to extend the life of the colour.

    In the East, they had indigo, saffron and turmeric. Lost a perfectly good t-shirt to the latter last week. It’s impossible to get out. 😐

  137. stackja

    oe
    #2516983, posted on October 7, 2017 at 11:46 am
    Better a ballot box?

    Yes, because the ballot box has done just so swimmingly in protecting us and our property up to now!

    Democracy is designed by the elite to give power to the elite. It’s designed to ensure that the power of the citizen is passed onto their representative, or the demagogue who can garner the most votes in the case of direct democracy. In all cases the power passes from the citizen to the representative – who has NO binding allegiance to the citizen whose power he has taken. Citizens; powerless, elite; powerful with no limits.

    Time to recognise this BS for what it is – Aristocracy without the accession provisions.

    Only Sortition can level the field. All else is just acceding to the whims of the elite.

    Change the Australian Constitution?

  138. Joe

    Change the Australian Constitution?

    Yeh, right. Good luck with that.

  139. stackja

    Joe
    #2516992, posted on October 7, 2017 at 12:06 pm
    Change the Australian Constitution?

    Yeh, right. Good luck with that.

    Who knows?

  140. calli

    One of the hardest dyes to fix was red, until Turkey Red burst on the scene in Europe in the 18th century. It’s a lengthy process, but worth it. You see it in old textiles everywhere.

  141. calli

    Lol. Unintentional segue to Melania’s red-hot skirt!

  142. In all the barrow-loads of opinion, has a single, easily discovered fact been discovered?

    Two, separate, different weapons were being fired at the same time, Calli.
    As far as verifiable “facts” go, that’s about it.
    Everything else is conjecture at this stage.

  143. egg_

    Trying hrd and failing to keep up. In all the barrow-loads of opinion, has a single, easily discovered fact been discovered?

    The most evidence/”data’ is currently the mouthing off brother – if attitude dictates behaviour in the hierarchy of events:

    Eric Paddock said he doubted that Danley knew anything about his brother’s plans to attack the music festival. “He manipulated her to be as far away from here and safe when he committed this,” he said. “The people he loved he took care of*, and as he was descending into hell he took care of her.”

    *And those who bothered him?

    A very odd choice off words, as are all of his statements – he appears to be experiencing outrage, but very different from that of the other surviving victims of this incident.
    He appears to have contempt for the authorities and both he and his brother are the ‘smartest men in the room’, condescending to the Press – keep talking, fella.

  144. Melania’s red-hot skirt!

    And what do we have? Loosey!

    USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

  145. pete m

    murphy’s evidence to TURC seems ok

    he is entitled to maintain belief gillard was a dumb lawyer conned to helping a crook

  146. cuckoo

    He’s due back in front of the courts in November, and says he’ll be calling both Gilliard and Wilson as witnesses.

    There are three things I want: world peace, a truly streak-free window cleaner, and a cure for male pattern baldness. Now I can add a fourth: Gillard under oath and being asked, by someone who understands the question, exactly where in the Wide Brown Land she was on the date when she supposedly witnessed Blewett’s power of attorney.

  147. Gab

    Hmmm, not convinced that’s Melania’s most flattering outfit. Still, it’s lovely to see a First Lady not looking like the frumps we’ve seen in recent years.

  148. notafan

    shooting reports and casualties inside other hotels, particularly after Paddock was dead does suggest at least one other shooter.

    They will sift through and find all in error, I am sure.

    People were claiming the Australian guy Hodges was in his room hearing gun fire from mulitple sources, horrific scenses inside the hotel, a dead security guard in the hotel, which was all hearsay in the end, he might have been booked in the room next to Paddock but he wasn’t there during the shooting.

  149. zyconoclast


    Politicians’ spending under the spotlight as first independent report is released

    The article has
    27 lines on Cory Bernardi and $1600 worth of spending on travel to an “In Defence of Freedom of Speech” fundraiser.

    4 lines on Mackellar MP Jason Falinksi, a government backbencher elected in 2016, was responsible for the biggest office administration bill, dropping a whopping $101,781 on office administration costs. This included more than $89,000 worth of printing and communications.

  150. max

    pete m, critical comments about Judge Murphy ruled out ? I guess that’s one result of the recent fiasco in Victoria.

    But questions hang over the Murphy appointment. Who were the other candidates ?

  151. egg_

    Dad:

    “When FBI agents found him in Las Vegas in the summer of 1960, he tried to run one of them over with his car, but surrendered when an agent fired through his windshield. He was convicted a year later and sentenced to 20 years in prison.”

    “In reality, Paddock’s father wasn’t just alive — he was living as a free man. He managed to escape from La Tuna federal prison in Texas in 1968. His FBI Most Wanted poster warned that he was “diagnosed as psychopathic,” “reportedly has suicidal tendencies,” and “should be considered armed and very dangerous.””

    “Federal authorities caught up to Paddock a decade later, finding him living in Oregon and operating a bingo parlor and running various cons under the name Bruce Ericksen. After serving just one more year in prison, Paddock was released on parole. He began running other scams, which according to Slate included claiming to be the pastor of a nondenominational church. In 1987, he was hit with civil racketeering charges in relation to his bingo parlor, and had to pay a $100,000 fine. It’s believed that he spent his remaining years in Texas, and died in 1998.”

  152. C.L.

    Melania’s top is a little immodest and unbecoming for a First Lady.
    I like those figure-hugging high skirts, though. They’re really attractive.

  153. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #2517007, posted on October 7, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    Politicians’ spending under the spotlight as first independent report is released

    The article has
    27 lines on Cory Bernardi and $1600 worth of spending on travel to an “In Defence of Freedom of Speech” fundraiser.

    4 lines on Mackellar MP Jason Falinksi, a government backbencher elected in 2016, was responsible for the biggest office administration bill, dropping a whopping $101,781 on office administration costs. This included more than $89,000 worth of printing and communications.

    Typical of the SMH.

  154. egg_

    he appears to be experiencing outrage

    The key emotion driving a sociopath IIRC, and all of their misdeeds are due to a mishandling of “grief”.

  155. Mark from Melbourne

    Melania is making a pitch for the members of the Nigella club.

    Certainly got this member interested!

    Hubba hubba.

  156. C.L.

    During track-work for today’s Turnbull Stakes (2.15/3.15), Winx’s times caused a degree of confusion amongst those made aware of them. That is, they couldn’t believe the times were possible.

  157. stackja

    C.L.
    #2517010, posted on October 7, 2017 at 12:39 pm
    Melania’s top is a little immodest and unbecoming for a First Lady.
    I like those figure-hugging high skirts, though. They’re really attractive.

    Melania’s top is a European fashion.

  158. Gab

    Melania’s top is a little immodest and unbecoming for a First Lady.

    I think she knows it too as her posture shows.

  159. Bruce of Newcastle

    Melania’s red-hot skirt!

    Pity the frilly stuff on it doesn’t spell out MAGA.
    That would detonate all sorts of fun.

  160. candy

    Melania Trump’s outlook is a little bit mischievous, but she’s a beautiful woman. It probably annoys the Lefties that Donald Trump has such a lovely wife, with her poise and elegance, the cameras can’t keep away.
    The pink of the skirt is gorgeous.

  161. max

    That Slavic face doesn’t give anything away. Bored or botoxed ?

  162. Trump is Pres. of US and husband to Melania. Winning!

  163. stackja

    C.L.
    #2517014, posted on October 7, 2017 at 12:43 pm
    During track-work for today’s Turnbull Stakes (2.15/3.15), Winx’s times caused a degree of confusion amongst those made aware of them. That is, they couldn’t believe the times were possible.

    Go girl, go!

  164. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Gillard under oath and being asked, by someone who understands the question, exactly where in the Wide Brown Land she was on the date when she supposedly witnessed Blewett’s power of attorney.

    Given that Ralph Blewitt is being represented by one of Western Australia’s top Q.C’s, any cross examination of Flirty Girl would be interesting, indeed.

  165. curious george

    murphy’s evidence to TURC seems ok

    he is entitled to maintain belief gillard was a dumb lawyer conned to helping a crook

    Only a “dumb lawyer” would maintain that belief.
    Does one need to state that the average juror would not agree?
    Or do we just try to console ourselves with “the law is an ass”.

  166. zyconoclast

    Gillard under oath and being asked, by someone who understands the question, exactly where in the Wide Brown Land she was on the date when she supposedly witnessed Blewett’s power of attorney.

    Given that Ralph Blewitt is being represented by one of Western Australia’s top Q.C’s, any cross examination of Flirty Girl would be interesting, indeed.

    Might they try and coincide any questioning of Gillard on the same days as Pells trial?

  167. Bruce of Newcastle

    Typical of the SMH.

    Do they have any reporting of the enormous libel bill they may be up for?

    ABC, Fairfax accuse Chau Chak Wing of ‘betraying’ Australia (today)

    Chau Chak Wing, an Australian citizen of 20 years, lodged a defamation claim against ABC and Fairfax in July over a series of reports the property developer has claimed falsely made him out to be a “disloyal” person who had used his ­influence to advance the interests of China.

    Lawyers for the ABC and Fairfax yesterday filed documents in their defence in the Federal Court in a matter where Dr Chau seeks damages, interest and costs.

    If they lose the damages should be quite chunky.

  168. notafan

    Two, separate, different weapons were being fired at the same time, Calli.

    I’m sorry but that isn’t a fact either.

    The live synchronized shooting videos don’t support that and it was all over at 10.15 pm .’

    Btw Why does the Las Vegas police department, in it’s entirety, have a vested interest in a ‘cover up’?

    Another cast of thousands conspiracy for no good reason.

    The whole thing was bad enough without the pointless conspiracy theories.

    If Paddock was a convert then islamic state would have had proof and released it by now. otherwise setting up the biggest mass shooting in modern US history would be an exercise in futility for them as it would have failed in it’s primary terror objective.

    Muslims vacillate between claiming IS are Mossad agents to threatening to join them if they don’t get their own way and, having the thinking skills of concrete bollards, will definitely believe whatever nonsense their sheiks and imans spout, even spying dolphins and mystery Mossad single shoe thefts so you can assume the weak as claims are for islamic consumption.


    The reason for cover up exposed

  169. Pedro the Ignorant

    Barber’s Ardagio for Strings just popped up on my iPod playing in the background.

    Brought my mind straight back to New York, 11 September 2001.

    Never forget, never forgive.

    Detroit Symphony Orchestra.

  170. Baldrick

    Melania’s top is a little immodest and unbecoming for a First Lady.

    Nonsense. If ya got it, flaunt it!

  171. Joe

    DOH!!!!!! NOTAFAN NOT AGAIN – made me look!

  172. Makka

    Wonder how she feels now about the anthem for the brave chaps of the South:

    Joan does a mournfully lovely version.. The Band also.

  173. Motelier

    FLOTUS 👀

    Natch the best lookin since Mrs Kennnedy.

  174. Makka

    Melania is a killer hottie. The US should be proud of her as FLOTUS. She looks gorgeous.

  175. Motelier

    Of course the leftards would never critise Jackie.

  176. Two, separate, different weapons were being fired at the same time, Calli.
    I’m sorry but that isn’t a fact either.

    There are any number of videos available online, of the first few minutes, Nota.
    The two different-sounding weapons are easily identified.
    One is not merely the echo of the other, as I first thought, as the shot sounds are not in tandem.
    Just take the time to have a listen.

    Does this support the notion of multiple shooters, or a “conspiracy”? Not really – with the equipment identified to date it would have been easily achievable by one person.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    Melania’s outfit would have been even better if she had the high beams on.

  178. Infidel Tiger

    Flemington should be the perfect track for Winx.

    If they raced on Good 2 I have no doubt she would smash the track record.

  179. C.L.

    Are Melania’s boobs real?

  180. Motelier

    Melania’s outfit would have been even better if she had the high beams on.

    (cough) t$tt&pe!

    (cough)

  181. stackja

    Motelier
    #2517036, posted on October 7, 2017 at 1:07 pm
    Of course the leftards would never critise Jackie.

    Which Dem wife has been criticized?

  182. Infidel Tiger

    Her boobs are as real as Trump’s tan.

  183. C.L.

    A little looseness (and hints of curve left to the imagination) are more sexy than squashing boobs into a blouse like that.

  184. Makka

    Are Melania’s boobs real?

    The question on many minds, CL.

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Another of the great adagios

    Oh, and what Pedro said.

  186. Any males critical of Melania can spend the next 20 year restricted to photos of Loosey.

  187. Motelier

    Which Dem wife has been criticized?

    Anyone whose hubby happened to be in the wrong party.

  188. egg_

    Grasping at another straw:

    Drug given to Paddock calms some, provokes others, experts say

    The anti-anxiety drug prescribed to Stephen Paddock less than four months before his horrific onslaught in Las Vegas is often consumed by marksmen to calm their nerves and steady their aim.

    Eric Paddock was probably aware of his brother’s “descent into hell” when Stephen started acquiring his 40-odd arsenal of firearms and explosives spread across 2 homes back in 2016.

  189. Motelier

    Any males critical of Melania can spend the next 20 year restricted to photos of Loosey.

    Really is a lot better lookin than the First Wookie.

  190. candy

    They look real to me. There’s an irregularity and softness to the curve, not that strange lumpy look of fake boobs.

  191. H B Bear

    Really is a lot better lookin than the First Wookie.

    Being female is a real head start.

  192. Jo Smyth:

    If you listen to Still Report 1819 he now gives viable reasons why there could have been a second shooter in LV. I hope the Police and CIA, who are doing their best to create a cover up, realise that there are too many people out there who have the means to uncover what really happened.

    Someone posted a video of a figure running toward a crowd, adopting a braced stance while the crowd flowed away from him, then flashes of light akin to the firing of an automatic as if a weapon was targetting the crowd.
    I haven’t seen it again, has anyone else?

  193. C.L. Are Melania’s boobs real?

    A truly curious man would make it his business to find out.

  194. stackja

    egg_
    #2517052, posted on October 7, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    Accessory before the fact?

  195. John Constantine

    Facial recognition technology, real time linked to the photo id gunowners registry and house addresses and shared with security firms at events and public places.

    Basically, Mo from ‘smash the kaffir’ security firm can see whenever a rural gunowner is in the city with his missus and therefore the guns are in an empty house hundreds of kilometers away.

    Ring the mosquebunker and get a vanload of cousins to go bush and empty the house out.

    Once a few guns stolen from empty farmhouses are used in crimes, then their turnbullites can demand all rural guns be held in a State controlled central gunhoard in a big city somewhere.

    The Australian security industry is heavily islamist. Lets give them access to who is where and which houses are empty, the mosquebunkers already have the treasure map locating all registered Australian guns.

    What could go wrong, Comrades?.

  196. Stackja:

    Change the Australian Constitution?

    I wouldn’t trust this infestation of parasites to change MTs shit stained undies without, somehow, screwing it up.

  197. notafan

    Sorry MV still your opinion

  198. Motelier

    I dunno, perhaps you all should be the judge.

    😳

  199. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #2517045, posted on October 7, 2017 at 1:14 pm
    Her boobs are as real as Trump’s tan.

    Which others tan is real?

  200. Makka

    Being female is a real head start.

    lol

  201. Motelier

    I had better go and do a bit of work.

    Those taxes are not going to pay themselves.

  202. Calli;

    Lol. Unintentional segue to Melania’s red-hot skirt!

    But the bra shape is dreadful! She has a damn nice figure and could have done better than that utilitarian monstrosity.
    Also notice how the facial lines were accentuated?

  203. I haven’t seen it again, has anyone else?

    I saw a video purporting to be that, Winston.
    I remain unconvinced.

  204. Stimpson J. Cat

    Wamens will either love or hate Melania.
    There is no in between.

    I personally approve of her style, the red shoes help set off the whole ensemble.
    Also the lack of j$wellery is a classy move.

  205. Stimpson J. Cat

    Drug given to Paddock calms some, provokes others, experts say

    The odds on this are so astronomical as to be ridiculous.

  206. Zatara

    Motelier, just to make sure I found a close up.

  207. Come to the cat to keep abreast of things.

  208. Come to the cat to keep abreast of things.

    Okay – just so long as you don’t start trying to massage the facts.

  209. mh

    Melania might be easier to view here

  210. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    One to put a smile back on your face, Zulu.

    Much needed at the moment,

    Up in the Wheatbelt at the end of last week, doing a farm inspection.

    Found out why the young bloke who had been working there, and showing promise working with sheep, had left town in a hurry. It seems a traditional Aboriginal custom is a “run through” – if you offend a local Aborigine, they show up with all their relations, break into your house, run through, stealing anything they can, and smashing the rest . For whatever reason, he’d been threatened with such a procedure, and the local cops didn’t want to know….easier to leave.

  211. zyconoclast

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2517049, posted on October 7, 2017 at 1:17 pm

    Another of the great adagios

    Who Wrote the Adagio in G Minor? – A Musical Mystery

    Is Albinoni’s Adagio the biggest fraud in music history?

  212. dopey

    Mr Rudd must go to Oxford. Oxford won’t come to Mr Rudd.

  213. ZK2A;
    I’ll repost my answer to Mr Egg:
    Egg;

    My old man was beaten to death by a bunch of Abos in a drunken brawl – do you see me hatin’ Abos/alco’s, etc.?

    Unfortunately, Egg, when dealing with tribals like aboriginals and Muslims, the only thing they will respect is tribal reprisal.
    Maybe they would have settled down if several of the family had gone back and slaughtered a dozen rels?
    Failing to develop adequate deterrents has led us to the current state of helplessness against Leftists, governments, Islam and aboriginals.
    It’s nothing to be proud of.

    By refusing to do anything about the ‘run throughs’ the police are part of the problem.
    The coppers are not keeping the peace, they are actively working with violent criminals who are terrorising the local community.
    Like the Kalgoorlie accident where a kid was killed, what is the judicial system doing about the violence, apart from encouraging it?

  214. cynical1

    The strongest evidence of the value of an armed society in combating government overreach, ironically, is the Muslim “community”. The government knows that the Muslims have access to weapons and are quite willing to use them.

    Bollocks.

    The strongest weapon the muzzies have is the racism card.

    What are you lot planning?

    The fucking Warsaw uprising?

  215. stackja

    What did DT say? All eyes on Mel.

  216. Mitch M.

    Neuroscience and Behavior

    Behaviorists, especially Skinner, have been making this argument for decades but few took on the message, often because they have a facile understanding of the goals of Behaviorism. Many people still think the brain “controls” behavior, a ridiculous assumption.

  217. stackja

    The White House
    Office of the Press Secretary
    For Immediate ReleaseOctober 06, 2017
    Remarks by President Trump at Hispanic Heritage Month Event
    East Room
    12:52 P.M. EDT

    Seen the pictures. Now read the book.

  218. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.

    — Margaret Thatcher

  219. Found out why the young bloke who had been working there, and showing promise working with sheep, had left town in a hurry.

    That goes a long way in explaining the black mood and yearning for lost youth last night.
    Life’s a bitch when you finally come to terms with the fact that you’re past solving issues with a full head of righteous steam and an axe handle.

    Life was so much simpler in our youth.

  220. rickw


    Bollocks.

    The strongest weapon the muzzies have is the racism card.

    Yeah / nah, that’s a factor, but their general and demonstrated dangerousness means that Government at all levels generally leaves them the fuck alone.

    Remember the biggest factor driving the handling of monis was “the backlash”.

  221. zyconoclast

    Unfortunately, Egg, when dealing with tribals like aboriginals and Muslims, the only thing they will respect is tribal reprisal.

    I remember seeing a video of a senior US servicemen saying because the middle east Moslems are so tribal, the only way to try and control the behaviour is like this:
    1. Muzzie A commits a crime.
    2. Deport him and his entire family, including uncles and cousins etc. No exceptions, no apologies.
    3. Repeat the process.

    Prison is not a deterrent.
    Fear of and actual deportation is the only weapon the west has.

  222. Fisky

    Turnbull can’t answer Tracey grimshaw’s question about burkhas and the new facial recognition software, and instead indicates the burkha will get an exameption…

    So, according to Turnbull, the religious extremism that has prompted all the new terrorism laws (including the ‘bollards of peace’) will get an exemption from the terrorism laws….. because Islamophobia, Mal?

    Greatest. PM. nEVAR!

    Where the fuck are Sinc and aussiepundit to defend this fucking Point Piper-dwelling clown…

    The stupidity of this government breaks all known human records.

  223. zyconoclast

    From Bolt:

    The latest Spectator Australia is out now.

    Among the great reads is Terry Barnes’ argument on the gay-marriage vote:

    If any lasting political good comes out of this … it will not be legalised SSM. It will be this campaign showing Australians we can have both voluntary voting and high turnouts. Compulsory voting in a democracy is anathema.

    Barnes adds:

    Whatever the merits of the Yes and No cases, the Yes campaign is winning this thing hands down. Any winning election campaign does three things: it makes people want to vote for it; defines the debate onits own terms; and frames its opponents (in other words, gets the bastards where it wants them).

    The Yes campaign is doing all these in spades. It radiates positivity and feel-good vibes, however much it lacks substance. It has created the illusion of widespread support.

    Yes spokespeople are celebrities and well-groomed, non-threatening gay activists, and its influential supporters in the media, arts and business and politics are spreading its happy, clappy gospel. It is successfully framing its opponents as Bambi-killing grumpy old men, theocratic Canutes.

    Anyone else agree with Mr Barnes?

  224. Fear of and actual deportation exile is the only weapon the west has.

    Minor correction. We don’t actually give a flying f*ck where they go.
    But yes, collective punishment by seizure of assets and mass family exile is the only hope we have.

  225. rickw


    The Australian security industry is heavily islamist. Lets give them access to who is where and which houses are empty, the mosquebunkers already have the treasure map locating all registered Australian guns.

    What could go wrong, Comrades?.

    My guess is that muslims are in possession of most firearm registry information, or at least the particularly interesting information. There doesn’t seem to be a single Australian accent at the Victorian Firearm Registry for instance, no doubt a deliberate strategy to stop individual registry staff cooperation with old Australia, but doing so much more into the bargain.

  226. notafan

    It radiates positivity and feel-good vibes

    Oh for goodness sake, it has been the ugliest campaign I can remember, bad enough being a secret Abbott supporter in 2013.

  227. Fisky

    Wut?

    Nancy Pelosi‏Verified account
    @NancyPelosi

    If @POTUS cared so deeply about the Constitution, he wouldn’t have just trampled on a woman’s right to health care. #HandsOffMyBC
    9:36 AM – 6 Oct 2017

  228. stackja

    The Battle of Broken Hill

    “In the battle there was a desperate determination to leave no work for the hangman or to run the risk of the murderers of peaceful citizens being allowed to escape. It was not a long battle. The attacking party was constantly being reinforced by eager men who arrived in any vehicle they could obtain or on foot. At just about one o’clock a rush took place to the Turks’ stronghold and they were found lying on the ground behind their shelter. Both had many wounds. One was dead, the other expired later in hospital. They were in the dress of their people, with turbans on their heads. The police took charge of the bodies.”

  229. H B Bear

    zyconoclast – the Israelis have been administering collective justice for years. Palli Jnr gets too excited and splodey and the next day the bulldozers are sent around to the family home for a D 9 renovation.

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