Wednesday Forum: October 11, 2017

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  1. Delta A

    you can do anything, but always do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    I wasn’t going to add that this is the same little girl who, at seven years old, decided that she is going to be a nursing sister for old people (providing that she doesn’t have to give them needles.) That is still her long term ambition. The money making is just to tide her over until she’s pulling a salary.

  2. Makka

    Gough Whitlam was a strong advocate for decolonisation.

    All those African success stories wot dunnit.

  3. rickw

    Gough Whitlam was a strong advocate for decolonisation.

    Millions of Papua New Guineans live in poverty and danger thanks to that moron.

  4. Marcus

    TPP Galaxy poll just out for seat of Hartley SA is:
    Libs: 47;
    Xenophon: 53.

    I’d have thought Xenophon would be further in front. The Lib’s actualy beating him on primaries (38 to 35) and if Nick Xenophon himself is kinda, sorta squeazing ahead in his seat, it’ll probably trun out to be like the Federal election over there where they come close to fall just short in a lot of seats.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    PNG got self-rule in 75 and we see the result.

    Australia couldn’t even play the colonial power?

  6. stackja

    Makka
    #2520756, posted on October 11, 2017 at 8:30 pm
    Gough Whitlam was a strong advocate for decolonisation.

    All those African success stories wot dunnit.

    African success stories for the first few. They got the money and retired.

  7. Infidel Tiger

    This is just a variation on follow your passion. Fuck that. Follow the market, nobody gives a shit what your passions are.

    Spot on.

    Following your passions and searching for “a job you love” is what has ruined the western world. Life is not like that.

  8. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2520760, posted on October 11, 2017 at 8:35 pm
    PNG got self-rule in 75 and we see the result.

    Australia couldn’t even play the colonial power?

    I believe the patrol officers played colonial power, until Japan intervened.

  9. stackja

    rickw
    #2520758, posted on October 11, 2017 at 8:34 pm
    Gough Whitlam was a strong advocate for decolonisation.

    Millions of Papua New Guineans live in poverty and danger thanks to that moron.

    Many Australian still suffer because of Gough.

  10. Atoms for Peace

    Maybe pot plant boy was enamoured of a moneyplant shot.

  11. C.L.

    Yeah, that’s the spirit, super-spies. See the funny side:

    Hacker codenamed in honour of ‘Alf’ from Home and Away stole sensitive data about Australian military projects.

    Sensitive information on the $14 billion Joint Strike Fighter program, Australia’s next fleet of spy planes and several of its naval warships have been stolen by hackers who breached a Department of Defence contractor, a government official has revealed.

    A manager at the Australian Signals Directorate – the government’s main national security cyber spies – told a conference in Sydney on Wednesday that the hackers stole 30 gigabytes of data including on the Defence projects.

    ASD incident response manager Mitchell Clarke told the Australian Information Security Association conference that the ASD had codenamed the hacker ‘Alf’ after the Home and Away character played by Ray Meagher.

    Breaking in Fairfax.

  12. Fergus

    This episode casts the massive and elaborate political probes launched to discover whether Russian intelligence helped Donald Trump win the 2016 presidential election in an absurd light. Russian spies were known to have been digging around America’s most secret networks a year earlier. Although President Barack Obama must have been informed about these clandestine hacking operations, he never held Moscow to account.https://www.debka.com/israel-tipped-off-nsa-russian-digital-spies-using-product/

  13. Nick

    Josh, I thought the puppies won last year.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Many Australian still suffer because of Gough.

    I don’t think Australia ever recovered from the Whitlam experiment in “champagne socialism.”

  15. Baldrick

    Zoe Daniel. Weinstein’s behaviour was a “known secret” in Hollywood. Just as well Trump didn’t say that, Zoe would be beside herself with scorn.

    More to the point, what did Zoe’s kids know and when did they know it?

  16. Eyrie

    “You are going to spend a good part of your life at work. Make sure it is something you enjoy doing. It doesn’t matter what it pays, just adjust your lifestyle to suit. ”

    So sayth the great philosopher Brig. Gen. (Rtd) Charles E. Yeager

  17. Following your passions and searching for “a job you love” is what has ruined the western world. Life is not like that.

    Actually IT, that is not even remotely like what I suggested.
    But who am I to stand in the way of you and Zippy enjoying a good pile on.
    So I’ll leave you to it and go and watch another episode of Midsomer Murders.
    Have fun. After all, the Tribe Has Spoken.

  18. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2520771, posted on October 11, 2017 at 8:51 pm
    Many Australian still suffer because of Gough.

    I don’t think Australia ever recovered from the Whitlam experiment in “champagne socialism.”

    Second Whitlam Ministry
    From Wikipedia

    Australian Labor Party
    Hon Gough Whitlam, QC MP: Prime Minister. Minister for Foreign Affairs (to 6 November 1973)
    Hon Lance Barnard, MP: Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Defence. Minister for Supply (to 9 October 1973). Minister for the Army, Minister for the Navy, Minister for Air (to 30 November 1973)
    Hon Dr Jim Cairns, MP: Minister for Overseas Trade. Minister for Secondary Industry (to 9 October 1973)
    Hon Bill Hayden, MP: Minister for Social Security
    Hon Frank Crean, MP: Treasurer
    Senator Hon Lionel Murphy, QC: Attorney-General, Minister for Customs and Excise

  19. jupes

    Easily the top two highlights of the AFL season.

    At a time where kiddies are taught to act out being homos and sluts as part of the school curriculum, somehow posting the torso of a woman wearing a premiership medalion online is a crime. Fatty Ashton’s gang are investigating as we speak.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    Stop being a whiny little fag, MV.

  21. rickw

    Sensitive information on the $14 billion Joint Strike Fighter program, Australia’s next fleet of spy planes and several of its naval warships have been stolen by hackers who breached a Department of Defence contractor, a government official has revealed.

    With Allies like Australia, who needs enemies.

  22. calli

    Thanks, Stacks.

    What a list of Commie reprobates. They’d fit right in as “big men” here, and sneer at the scrambling, miserable poor as they were driven past in their Bentleys.

  23. Gab

    Sensitive information on the $14 billion Joint Strike Fighter program, Australia’s next fleet of spy planes and several of its naval warships have been stolen by hackers who breached a Department of Defence contractor, a government official has revealed.

    And that idiot turnbull wants to have a central databank of driver’s licenses to thwart terrorism (another policy on the run brain fart along with his pay to turn off your aircon.)

    Yep, that’s going to work out beautifully.

  24. John Constantine:

    The greens and ABC unable to be conflicted by being champions of howards gun grab, while ignoring it’s effect of radically replacing Australia’s arsenal of worn out rabbit guns with new accurate sporting rifles firing military grade ammunition.

    Yeah.
    Hurr hurr…

  25. Makka

    another policy on the run brain fart along with his pay to turn off your aircon.

    Yeah, let’s encourage a lot of old people to die of heat stroke. Imminently great is our Mal.

  26. Fergus

    Young people growing up on rural farms will inevitably need knowledge of firearms to use them responsibly. Early socialisation under adult supervision is hardly problematic in this instance. If people choose to take up firearms for sport or use on the land, we should want them socialised into responsible users of these firearms from an early age.

    Responsible behaviour is learned, just as deviant behaviour is learned. Young people who have a legitimate interest in shooting sport or primary production need responsible teachers and mentors to demonstrate responsible behaviour.
    https://theconversation.com/oversimplifying-gun-control-issues-can-pose-a-real-threat-to-community-safety-85244

  27. rickw

    Following your passions and searching for “a job you love” is what has ruined the western world. Life is not like that.

    Find a job that you mostly like, then find inspiration, motivation and pride in doing it extremely well, and through that you come to love it.

  28. Rabz

    that idiot turnbull wants to have a central databank of driver’s licenses to thwart terrorism (another policy on the run brain fart along with his pay to turn off your aircon.)

    He’s channelling “Death Spiral” Juliar. At least one ridiculous idea per day. Clear air and dominating the 24 hour meeja cycle. Lots of hoped for lerve from the ALPBC and fauxfacts and other equally reputable j’ism sprayers.

    What the hell did we ever do to deserve these utter imbeciles?

  29. Rabz

    Yeah, let’s encourage a lot of old people to die of heat stroke.

    On the bright side, think of the pension and medicare savings. I’m sure Morristeen is.

  30. Des Deskperson

    ‘I believe the patrol officers played colonial power,’

    There were lots of former patrol officers – Kiaps – in the Defence Department when I joined in the late seventies. Presumably there was some deal between Defence and the Department of Territories or whatever it was called at the time to provide jobs for these guys.

    They were all extremely unremarkable men, with none of the intelligence, charisma, flexibility, energy or judgement that received wisdom and propaganda had lead is to expect. Dull, lazy clods. It has always made me question how well we actually did in PNG pre-independence.

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yeah, that’s the spirit, super-spies. See the funny side:

    Hacker codenamed in honour of ‘Alf’ from Home and Away stole sensitive data about Australia

    Yeah, so cutesie pie and hilarious. Does somebody want to tell these clowns that there are some less enlightened parts of the world where “Alf” would be shot, and his family sent the bill?

  32. Gab

    He’s channelling “Death Spiral” Juliar. At least one ridiculous idea per day. Clear air and dominating the 24 hour meeja cycle. Lots of hoped for lerve from the ALPBC and fauxfacts and other equally reputable j’ism sprayers.

    Yes, good summary. When turnbull does a knitting pose for Women’s Weekly (does it still exist?), we’ll know the end is near.

  33. rickw

    Responsible behaviour is learned, just as deviant behaviour is learned. Young people who have a legitimate interest in shooting sport or primary production need responsible teachers and mentors to demonstrate responsible behaviour.

    As kids growing up on a farm, under our own initiative we introduced a program of rounding up all the guns, axes, tomahawks and knives ahead of visits by kids from the city.

    We had a much greater appreciation than our parents for just how fucking stupid they were.

  34. Atoms for Peace

    Friend in US sent me a picture of her 3 year old grand child holding some sage grouse post hunt. Open breach firearm on pick up tray. Call me old fashioned, but works for me.

  35. rickw

    And that idiot turnbull wants to have a central databank of driver’s licenses to thwart terrorism (another policy on the run brain fart along with his pay to turn off your aircon.)

    Let’s not forget that the plans for ASIO’s new headquarters ended up in China as well.

  36. Rabz

    When turnbull does a knitting pose for Women’s Weekly

    LOL. Here’s hoping the knitted object is a wombat. Kate’s expecting another sprog, isn’t she?

  37. zyconoclast

    Yes, good summary. When turnbull does a knitting pose for Women’s Weekly (does it still exist?), we’ll know the end is near.

    Apparently yes with a claimed 1.6M readers

  38. Atoms for Peace

    The central data base of passport photos works really well ay.

  39. calli

    Following your passions and searching for “a job you love” is what has ruined the western world. Life is not like that.

    No it isn’t. Most people start with a job they can actually do and get paid for.

    After the hard graft of study, promotion and saving up sometimes, and only sometimes, an opportunity presents itself where you can follow your dream. Just make sure it doesn’t end in a nightmare.

    Others simply accept Weinstein-like compromises to fast track what they want. And then b*tch about it.

  40. egg_

    Know who they were Egg?

    No, one of the ABC? staffers from the era on the doco about the tour spoke very openly about it – it was with John or Paul (he stated which one IIRC) and it was an open secret, I guess.
    How the bourgeois other half lives?

  41. zyconoclast

    When turnbull does a knitting pose for Women’s Weekly

    LOL. Here’s hoping the knitted object is a wombat. Kate’s expecting another sprog, isn’t she?

    He could knit a willy warmer (possibly NSFW)
    That’s more Maocolms style.

  42. rickw

    It has always made me question how well we actually did in PNG pre-independence.

    I would say that private enterprise was what really made a difference, but basic law and order, even if managed by clods, was the prerequisite for that.

  43. candy

    Businesses making their environment more uncomfortable during hot periods to get a discount seems a bit rough. Employees don’t get a say, I would expect.

    Also government is to offer movies tickets and gift vouchers, movie tickets to people who switch off the air con. Seems dicey – with regard to spoiling food, and elderly folk doing it get a voucher for the grandkids at Christmas, health suffering. It all seems a bit third world.

  44. min

    Firstly Harvey has the narcissist’s problems of believing that he is entitled and the rules don’t apply to him. So not an addict but someone with the power to make or break a career so keep me titillated.
    Secondly sent off email to Frydenberg earlier reminding him that I taught him a little history about the founding of Greenland and the following 500 years of paying taxes to Popes, the bisphoric given in 1000 their cathedral, etc etc until climate change wiped them out. No coal, no Co2, hardly any humans but warm enough to grow barley for food and silage,, raise cattle and send kids back to Denmark for education .
    Summer maximum temp these days is 9 degrees according to tourism ads. Not enough for crops I would think.

  45. Atoms for Peace

    Malcolm is too busy knitting a CET powered broadband system.

  46. calli

    What the hell did we ever do to deserve these utter imbeciles?

    We were once a free country full of tough, capable men, useful, motherly women and skinny, sporty children.

    Can’t have that.

  47. mizaris

    It appears most actresses in Hollyweird are whores. “The Hollywood Harlots”. Difficult to have any respect for these sluts.

    All the more reason to enjoy their movies without paying any entry fee or royalties. HHHaaarrrrrr me hearties.

  48. Gab

    Kellyanne Conway‏Verified account @KellyannePolls 13h13 hours ago

    It took Hillary abt 5 minutes to blame NRA for madman’s rampage, but 5 days to sorta-kinda blame Harvey Weinstein 4 his sexually assaults.

    Boom!

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We were once a free country full of tough, capable men, useful, motherly women and skinny, sporty children.

    Can’t have that.

    All able to think for themselves. Can’t have that – “Big Brother” has to do your thinking for you.

  50. candy

    Harvey W. is done for. He looks like a heart attack waiting to happen, too.

    I think he has young children. Always the innocent who suffer. Maybe he had kids after his last assault but it must have been on his mind all the time, will the kids find out what I’ve done in my life. Or perhaps he didn’t give a toss.

  51. Rabz

    We were once a free country full of tough, capable men, useful, motherly women and skinny, sporty children.

    I can remember that country. What an incredibly different place it was – and in a very good way.

  52. Rabz

    Or perhaps he didn’t give a toss.

    Noice work, candy.

  53. Des Deskperson

    ‘We were once a free country full of tough, capable men, useful, motherly women and skinny, sporty children.’

    No. we were always a country of bludgers, protected by government – including through tariffs and the White Australia policy – from ever having to do hard days work, let alone be efficient, innovative or productive.

  54. C.L.

    When turnbull does a knitting pose for Women’s Weekly

    Hey, what the hell happened to Gillard’s kangaroo?
    Did Prince George ever get it?

    Anyway, say what you will about her but Gillard was a better PM than Turnbull.

  55. jupes

    It has always made me question how well we actually did in PNG pre-independence.

    I lived in PNG as a child pre-independence and as an adult recently. The difference is stark. Pre-independence it was a very safe place to live. Now the law and order genie will take generations to put back in the bottle.

    Australia was stupid to give independence to PNG in 1975. First of all, the vast majority of the population were still living as tribes in their traditional villages as they had done for thousands of years. Their allegience to the nation was – and still is – skin deep. The tribe always comes first.

    Secondly, no country should be given independence until they are financially independent. Countries that need foreign aid to function are the national equivalent of adult children still spunging off their parents.

  56. C.L.

    Des is pretty right.
    Australian dirigisme and cargo-cultism began with the First Fleet.
    They literally sat around waiting for the Second Fleet.

  57. Infidel Tiger

    Would love for some of Leo Di Caprio and his posses antics to be made public.

    The left must be shitting themselves right now.

  58. Atoms for Peace

    The Weinstein saga has the Dems sounding like the Fonz trying to say he was wrong.

  59. Peter Castieau

    If you have Foxtel watch Sky 601 now!

    Credlin big moment.

  60. Joe

    If you have Foxtel watch Sky 601 now!

    AND if you haven’t?

  61. jupes

    Anyway, say what you will about her but Gillard was a better PM than Turnbull.

    Big call.

    I think you are forgetting just how hopeless she really was. She couldn’t even appoint Bob Carr to the senate without beclowning herself. Falling flat on her face in India was probably the most dignified thing she did.

  62. candy

    Would love for some of Leo Di Caprio and his posses antics to be made public.

    Maybe Russell Brand. Now that would be hilarious.

  63. Peter Castieau

    Sorry jumped the shark.

    She was cut off awkwardly just before the ad break. AbbottSatan was the subject matter.

  64. jupes

    Credlin big moment.

    Please explain.

  65. calli

    No. we were always a country of bludgers, protected by government – including through tariffs and the White Australia policy – from ever having to do hard days work, let alone be efficient, innovative or productive.

    Grandad sheared and did fencing during the Depression, Dad worked his backside off to buy a house and educate his children as have I.

    You are talking about an Australia that has slowly but surely termited itself into prominence over the last century.

    As for the innovative and productive, there are plenty of examples. Sadly, the droobs have all but eclipsed them.

  66. rickw

    Gun Jesus on the Oerlikon 20mm Antiaircraft Cannon:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6yCxITYzW-0

    In the US you can own it, in Australia, the water police would fucking steal it.

    (remember the bloke who had the bofors stolen of the front of his old patrol boat by water police, who then mounted it out the front of their headquarters).

  67. Peter Castieau

    She told the panel that they were all “pissing ” in the wind.

  68. Joe

    As for the innovative and productive, there are plenty of examples. Sadly, the droobs have all but eclipsed them.

    That is not the problem. The problem is to allow the innovative and productive to flourish without the droobs bringing them down.

  69. Peter Castieau

    “Pissing in the wind “

  70. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    After the hard graft of study, promotion and saving up sometimes, and only sometimes, an opportunity presents itself where you can follow your dream.

    I don’t think Jobs dreamt of making small phones with simple operating systems. Or Zuckie of building a crappy social network that is an advertising machine. Or Elison of developing a relational database. Or Gates of writing operating systems & device drivers for personal computer hardware. Or the google boys of developing the worlds largest indexing & search system etc etc.

    There are dreams and there is work. Unless you aim to be a personal superstar brand, generally best to keep the two separate.

  71. Arky

    So you have just been rejected by a starlet, and you turn to the nearest pot plant and begin the process of cranking one out by hand while the bird, waves of shock and revulson crossing her face, watches on.
    How long exactly does this take?
    Are we talking seconds?
    Or do long uncomfortable minutes drag on.
    Her watching, appalled. You jerking away. Rub rub rub. Pant.
    The plant waiting impassively.
    What are you looking at? Her or the point of aim?
    What if you can’t finish? At what point do you give it up?
    After a minute? Half an hour? When the bar closes and everyone else has gone home?

  72. John Constantine

    The digital information on Australia’s military weapons is easily obtained by whoever, and it was technically classified and protected.

    The treasure map to the location of every privately-owned legal firearm in Australia is freely available to masses of activists and money grabbers and diversity and inclusiveness quota hires within the system, and to be available to many more.

    Who believes that legal gun ownership information, confided to Government hasn’t been betrayed for cash and ideology?.

    It isn’t going to be safer than the military budget, is it?.

  73. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Grandad sheared and did fencing during the Depression, Dad worked his backside off to buy a house and educate his children as have I.

    Both my grandfathers survived the Great Depression on the land – one great uncle spent two years with his swag on his back tramping the roads. (When he joined the Army in 1940, he gave his occupation as “walker and turner.” It took some time for the system to realize he meant “walking the streets and turning corners “looking for a job.) My father worked hard indeed to pioneer “new land” in the sand plain country.

  74. rickw

    Grandad sheared and did fencing during the Depression, Dad worked his backside off to buy a house and educate his children as have I.

    Same here, no bludgers amongst my ancestors.

  75. zyconoclast

    Shortage of power Canberra Times 1981

    It was all Askin’s fault. Cheap bastard.

  76. Stimpson J. Cat

    Following your passions and searching for “a job you love” is what has ruined the western world. Life is not like that.

    It’s true.
    I wanted to be an Astronaut Priest.

  77. Geriatric Mayfly

    Would love for some of Leo Di Caprio and his posses antics to be made public.

    Loopy Leo was quite the lothario for one of such tender years.

  78. rickw

    Who believes that legal gun ownership information, confided to Government hasn’t been betrayed for cash and ideology?.

    Why my really useful guns aren’t stored at my official storage address.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    Apparently the cops have narrowed down the Richmond tiitties scandal to 22 people.

  80. She told the panel that they were all “pissing ” in the wind.

    Isn’t that every day on Sky News?

  81. Mother Lode

    Gawd! Imagine if New Guinea hadn’t been given independence!

    All the New Guineans with sit down money, a profound sense of being wronged somehow, and a shed load of free time.

    We are talking about fierce tribes beyond the level of our indigines.

    The mountains would bristle with satellite dishes, the forests echo the clank of millions of empty beer cans, and rivers would run red with countless vendettas.

    And it would be our fault.

  82. Carpe Jugulum

    There are dreams and there is work. Unless you aim to be a personal superstar brand, generally best to keep the two separate.

    My work is what i dreamt of doing.

    Dream big and live the dream

  83. Baldrick

    Apparently the cops have narrowed down the Richmond tiitties scandal to 22 people.

    It’s the Victorian cops. They’ll soon have a link to George Pell.

  84. It’s the Victorian cops. They’ll soon have a link to George Pell.

    Was signed up to play for Richmond FC in 1959. A person of interest, for sure.

  85. ian3029

    She actually told Murray, Jayes (called them just journos) and Reece (Labor (sic) flunky) that they were full of piss and wind. What’s more, she was right.

  86. C.L.

    Milo is very articulate and gifted as a mocker and controversialist.
    I can’t wait to see him go head to head with Waleed Aly when he’s out here.
    But I predict The Project won’t set that up because, for the left, Waleed is too big to fail.

  87. Infidel Tiger

    Pell was Richmond’s number 1 ticket holder once upon a time.

    Very hard player too.

  88. C.L.

    So let me get this straight.
    Victoria Police are looking for the person responsible for a pair of tits on the internet.
    Is that right?

  89. Infidel Tiger

    Correct. Lovely set too.

  90. rickw

    Apparently the cops have narrowed down the Richmond tiitties scandal to 22 people.

    Titties are a police matter when the third world imports are doing whatever the fuck they want?

  91. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Titties are a police matter when the third world imports are doing whatever the fuck they want?

    I am constrained to admit that they are a very fine pair of mammaries indeed, but, Vic Pol should have higher priorities.

  92. Anthony

    Mueller is opening up another avenue of investigation: he suspects that some unnamed persons of interest have been colluding with Weinstein, de Caprio, et al. Meetings have been rumored to have taken place on rich white men’s yachts in the South Pacific.

  93. C.L.

    Was the woman’s head included in the uploaded picture?
    Tell me Fatty Ashton isn’t looking for a man who uploaded anonymous tits to the internet.

  94. Andrew

    Arky
    #2520833, posted on October 11, 2017 at 9:46 pm
    So you have just been rejected by a starlet, and you turn to the nearest pot plant and begin the process of cranking one out by hand while the bird, waves of shock and revulson crossing her face, watches on.
    How long exactly does this take?
    Are we talking seconds?
    Or do long uncomfortable minutes drag on.
    Her watching, appalled. You jerking away. Rub rub rub. Pant.
    The plant waiting impassively.
    What are you looking at? Her or the point of aim?
    What if you can’t finish? At what point do you give it up?
    After a minute? Half an hour? When the bar closes and everyone else has gone home?

    I wondered the same thing, although not quite in that Shakespearean wording.

    I find it improbable that she just stood there while he successfully slapped the salami for a few minutes.

  95. Top Ender

    I see this old myth is doing the rounds again. So into battle once more:

    The mythical cruise of the USS Constitution, or How to Survive on only Two Gallons of Rum a Day
    By Top Ender

    An interesting myth of maritime warfare has been around for many years. It’s the sort of story that people love to pass on. It can be found in numerous places on the Internet and occasionally appears in naval service papers around the world.

    The story basically reads:

    “The USS Constitution (Old Ironsides) as a combat vessel carried 48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last 6 months of sustained operations; she carried no evaporators. On 22 July 1798, the USS Constitution set sail from Boston.

    She left with 475 men, 48,600 gallons of water, 7,400 cannon shots, 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum. Her mission – to harass British shipping. Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum. Then she headed for the Azores, arriving on 12 November. She provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine. On 18 November she set sail for England. In the ensuing days she defeated five British Man of War and captured and scuttled 12 English Merchant ships, salvaging only the rum.

    By 27 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Unarmed, she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde. Her Raiding Party captured a whiskey distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons aboard by dawn. Then she headed home.

    The USS Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799 with no cannon shot, no food, no rum, no wine, no whiskey and 48,600 gallons of stagnant water.”

    We might apply some analysis to this.

    There was indeed – and still is – a USS Constitution. She is the world’s oldest commissioned warship afloat, with HMS Victory claiming the oldest commissioned warship title, being in a graving dock as opposed to water. Constitution was launched in 1797 to a successful career, fought well in three wars, and is now homeported in Boston.

    To detail:
    “The USS Constitution (Old Ironsides) as a combat vessel carried 48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last 6 months of sustained operations; she carried no evaporators”

    Well, obviously as far as the evaporators go, unless the Founding Fathers friends were more clever than we know.…48, 600 gallons would give around ½ a gallon a day of water for each ship’s company member over the proposed six-month voyage. However, the water would not have kept that long – in fact water was not drunk in quantity aboard ships before refrigeration, simply because it would not last long enough. For that reason, other beverages which would keep longer were preferred.

    The daily ration of liquid other than water for sailors in 1816, records John Winton in Hurrah for the Life of a Sailor, was “half a pint of spirits, or a pint of wine, or a gallon of beer every day. For the uninitiated, a gallon of beer is eight pints, or very large glasses – the sort served in British pubs – of 500 mls. or about 11 standard glasses of “small beer”; a little lower in alcohol content than the ”heavy” beers of today.

    That would mean that sailors would be able to get reasonably drunk every day, although the effect of this of course would be tempered by the size of the drinker, and whether he was used to such consumption, and how much he had eaten beforehand. Half a pint of spirits is around 250ml, or a third of a modern bottle. The USN, derived from the British navy in many respects, also followed the rum ration tradition, until the American service stopped the practice on September 1, 1862.

    “On 22 July 1798, the USS Constitution set sail from Boston.”

    That is certainly right. The Constitution Museum lists 1798 July 22 as the ship’s “First Sail.” However, during the “Quasi-War” with France, she was the Squadron Flagship, from 1799-1801.

    “She left with 475 men, 48, 600 gallons of water, 7400 cannon shots, 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum. Her mission – to harass British shipping.”

    If the ship’s company were receiving a daily ration of rum this would be .9 of a gallon of rum a day over six months to get through the lot – and the story implies they did. Perhaps however, the ship was planning an open-ended voyage. However, human beings cannot continually consume .9 of a gallon, or 3.4 litres, or 4.5 bottles, of spirits a day and operate a ship, or even survive the alcohol poisoning.

    But the basic problem with the story overall is that the USA was at peace with Britain between 1783 and 1812, so the ship cannot have entered combat with the British Navy in that time. Now, we can if you like decide that the story has a simple mistake in the date. So when was Britain at war with the United States and USS Constitution also in commission? Obviously in the war of 1812 – in fact the ship fought three battles with British vessels, and won them all. Perhaps the date has been mixed up. The story indeed can be found with a different date. No less a person than the Secretary of the US Navy, the Honorable John H. Dalton, repeated the tale recently in 1997, at the War Years Reunion Southern Methodist University, Dallas, Texas, on 19 September. He mentioned the year of “1812” however. So, let us continue, and digress to some of the other figures proposed by the story.

    Constitution carried 32 guns of 24lb shot weight, and 20 carronades of 32lb shot weight, plus two 24lb bow chasers. If each gun fired together, in a double broadside, that is, each gun firing at once, she would expend 64 shot. “7400 cannon shots” would be enough for 115 double broadsides. Just to be fair we might double that, as when a ship fired a broadside it meant the guns on one side firing, and in fact it was difficult to fire both sides’ guns together continually, as there was not enough members of the guns’ crews to do this. A basic gun crew was formed for each gun, and further men were transferred backwards and forwards to the opposing guns as necessary. If we say that Constitution was carrying enough shot for 230 single-sided broadsides, is that figure accurate? NAM Rodgers tells us in The Wooden World that at “…Finisterre in 1747 the Defiance fired forty-two broadsides in an hour and twelve minutes.” Perhaps Constitution was taking on too much rum and not enough ammunition…

    “Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum.”

    In less than three months, even a very enthusiastic and unrestricted ship’s company could hardly be expected to have gone through that much rum. Was Constitution planning on selling it or taking it home? However, before we let them escape back to the no doubt thirsty US Navy, we have a problem getting out of harbour. Jamaica was then a British colony. If the ship’s mission was “to harass British shipping” in 1812, it is doubtful indeed that Constitution would provision at a British port. Obviously not, as the forces there would attempt her capture. In any event, there would be no reason for her to reprovision after only a few weeks at sea.

    “Then she headed for the Azores, arriving on 12 November. She provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine.”

    Again there is a major problem with the liquid figure. Saturated in rum as they may have been, the ship’s company would not have needed the wine, except for variation. Let us leave this as perhaps being for trade, although warships in combat situations do not take on much for that requirement, except to barter for other requirements.

    “On 18 November she set sail for England. In the ensuing days she defeated five British Man of War and captured and scuttled 12 English Merchant ships, salvaging only the rum.”

    There is absolutely no historical record for any of this. But nevertheless, would not Constitution have put prize crews on these valuable ships and taken them back to a friendly port, where a prize agent could arrange for their sale to give the essential prize-money to the captors? This was an important motivator in those days. In the war of 1812 between Britain and the United States, one famous action between two ships – the British Shannon and the USS Chesapeake – almost did not commence because of a dispute over prize money:
    “As the two ships closed for battle, the morale aboard the Chesapeake and the Shannon was in startling contrast. As Lawrence ordered his men to their guns, the crew of the Chesapeake refused to comply. Complaining that they hadn’t received the prize money due them from earlier engagements, they refused to fight unless they were paid. Lawrence quickly ordered the ship’s purser to issue vouchers promising payment to the crew, and only then did they follow orders to man the guns.”

    Instead of voyaging to Britain as a lone and vulnerable raider, let us see what the USS Constitution really did. Her war record is readily found and quite straightforward. It may be summed up as:

    1812: July 16 – 18. Constitution escapes a squadron of five British ships by towing and kedging in calm conditions.
    1812: Aug. 19. Wins battle against HMS Guerriere.
    1812: Dec. 29. Wins battle against HMS Java.
    1813: Overhauled in Boston, but then shut in Boston harbor for eight and a half months by the British blockade.
    1814: February-April. Runs the blockade of Boston. Captures the schooner Pictou and three smaller vessels during cruise to Windward Islands.
    1814: Escapes into Marblehead while being chased by two larger British frigates. Returns to Boston for repairs.
    1814: Blockaded at Boston for eight months, from April to December. In December 1814: takes advantage of poor weather and escapes.
    1815: Feb. 20. Fights British ships Cyane and Levant. Captures Cyane; Levant surrenders, but British squadron retakes Levant.
    1815. At war’s end, Constitution anchored in New York on May 15.

    Nevertheless, our story has the ship in different straits. “By 27 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Unarmed, she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde. Her Raiding Party captured a whiskey distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons aboard by dawn.”

    Very interesting. If she put ashore a raiding party of, say, 200 men, each of them would have had to transfer 200 gallons aboard. If this was done, say, at sunset (around 27 January, say 2000 hours?) and the men worked all night for 10 hours straight, they would have had to move 20 gallons an hour each. If each man could carry four gallons at a time, that would still mean five trips an hour aboard the ship. If she was lying off this would be a mighty effort. Still, a very good Scotch or 20 can inspire great feats, even in the depths of a northern winter, as it would have been.

    Perhaps the biggest furphy of the whole story however, is to suppose that a party of Americans could make their way into Scotland and capture the Scottish lifeblood. Given the Scots’ attitude to battle, probably all of the Americans would have been met with broadsword and musket and remained in Scotland permanently but underground.

    However, then the ship headed home. “The USS Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799 with no cannon shot, no food, no rum, no wine, no whiskey and 48,600 gallons of stagnant water.”

    Again, the date is wrong. But, disregarding that, there is no evidence to suggest Constitution went out of waters near the United States during the war of 1812. The last phrase is significant in pointing to the illogicality of the whole story – why would the ship have stagnant water on board with all its attendant health problems? Even a wooden warship needing water as ballast can pump through fresh seawater every few days….

    Adding up the gallons of rum we can see that Constitution apparently consumed – because there was none left when she supposedly arrived home – 187, 700 gallons of rum and whiskey in seven months; let us say 210 days. That is 894 gallons a day, or 1.9 gallons per man per day.

    Disregarding the rum supposedly captured from the supposed British merchantman and the Portugese wine, a consumption of spirits to this magnitude would have meant that no-one would have been able to make it out of their hammock, let alone weigh the anchor, man the yards, haul on the sheets and all of the other myriad of tasks a wind-powered ship needed performed by human labour. Indeed, a litre of rum a day is enough to lay most people low, and if continued day after day would undoubtedly have resulted in the deaths of most of the ship’s company.

    Still, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Doubtless the story of the USS Constitution and her grog run is too good not to be repeated.

    -o-o-O-o-o-

    Sources:
    James Pack, Nelson’s Blood: The Story of Naval Rum. Naval Institute Press, 1982.
    Remarks as delivered by The Honorable John H. Dalton, Secretary of the Navy, War Years Reunion Southern Methodist University, Dallas, Texas 19 September 1997. The United States Navy on the World Wide Web. http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/…/s…/dalton/speeches/waryears.txt
    The Mariners Museum website. http://www.mariner.org/usnavy/09/09b.htm Accessed 27 June, 2005.
    USS Constitution Museum http://www.ussconstitutionmuseum.org/faq/chronology.html Accessed 7 July, 2005.
    Rodgers, NAM. The Wooden World. New York: Norton, 1986.
    The Contemplator’s Short History of Grog http://www.contemplator.com/history/grog.html
    USS Constitution History Timeline http://www.ussconstitution.navy.mil/Shiphistoryx.htm
    Winton, John. Hurrah for the Life of a Sailor. London: Michael Joseph, 1977.

  96. Fat Tony

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2520839, posted on October 11, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    Following your passions and searching for “a job you love” is what has ruined the western world. Life is not like that.

    It’s true.
    I wanted to be an Astronaut Priest.

    Would that be a Sky Pilot, Stimpy?

  97. Arky

    I’m glad you were wondering that too Andrew.
    I thought I might be the only one.
    That is going to make one hell of a scene when they release Weinstein! The Movie
    I’m picking Harvey Keitel in the lead role, as he has done this type of work before, in Bad Lieutenant.

  98. Infidel Tiger

    No head. Anonymous bosoms.

  99. Stimpson J. Cat

    No head. Anonymous bosoms.

    Could this scandal be a setup by an angry female rugby fan or an Essendon supporter?

  100. Andrew

    I’m picking Harvey Keitel in the lead role, as he has done this type of work before, in Bad Lieutenant.

    Was it Sean Penn in Dead Man Walking?

  101. Andrew

    Also, on the subject of things that don’t make sense:

    The Kenyan illegally spied on US citizens using 17 intelligence agencies according to Illary. He spied on the Trump666 campaign.

    How the fuck did he send Malia to intern for serial sex offender and now accused rapist Weinerstein?

  102. DrBeauGan

    No head. Anonymous bosoms.

    That puzzled me. How can a woman complain that she has been wronged by publication of the picture if nobody except her and the photographer know who it’s a picture of?

  103. JC

    Fellas
    What’s the story about the howitzers? I’m really thick headed at the moment, trying to get over jet lag and can’t figure it out.

    Tubby Ashton is an embarrassment to Australian citizenship and that’s saying something.

  104. Josh

    From what i can gather the original pic uploaded included the lady’s head.
    She made the police complaint.

  105. cohenite

    Apparently Milo is a gay j.w with a black husband; if he wore a burqa I reckon he would be unassailable.

  106. Snoopy

    That puzzled me. How can a woman complain that she has been wronged by publication of the picture if nobody except her and the photographer know who it’s a picture of?

    It’s really very simple. She’s justifiably immensely proud of her breasts. But to come out and claim ownership could seem rather tacky. By making a complaint to the police she’s hoping the photographer will be prosecuted. Even if her name is withheld everyone who matters will be able to put a face and a name to those delightful tits. And she will be a victim, so no tackiness. Winning!

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    From what i can gather the original pic uploaded included the lady’s head.
    She made the police complaint.

    I go back to what someone said upthread – any bloke depicted on the internet, stark ballocky, with a footy medal hanging off his pride and joy, would be told “serve you right for making such a dick of yourself in the first place.”

  108. Infidel Tiger

    Nup there was never any head. Just a great rack.

  109. H B Bear

    Hold the presses ….

    HEADLESS WOMAN IN TOPLESS SCANDAL

  110. BrettW

    Just three of the Daily Mail headline stories about Weinstein :

    ‘Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein’: Seth MacFarlane’s joke about the ‘sex abuser’ movie mogul at a pre-Oscars TV show in 2013

    and
    Harvey Weinstein ‘has proof’ his BROTHER leaked sordid sex assault details to the New York Times – as accuser Rose McGowan blasts Bob Weinstein and the company’s board for claiming they were unaware of wrongdoing

    Sources close to Harvey Weinstein told TMZ that his brother Bob leaked sexual misconduct allegations to the New York Times

    The leak was part of a plot for Bob to take over the Weinstein Co, the sources said.Weinstein’s people say they have a FedEx receipt proving that Bob got a dossier on his brother’s history of sexual harassment

    and
    Revealed: How Harvey Weinstein threatened the careers of stars including Sienna Miller if they didn’t wear his British wife’s Marchesa label (and now its future looks doomed)

  111. DrBeauGan

    It’s really very simple. She’s justifiably immensely proud of her breasts. But to come out and claim ownership could seem rather tacky. By making a complaint to the police she’s hoping the photographer will be prosecuted. Even if her name is withheld everyone who matters will be able to put a face and a name to those delightful tits. And she will be a victim, so no tackiness. Winning!

    That’s horribly plausible, Snoopy.

    It’s crying out to have Hillary Clinton’s head Photoshoped on to it, don’t you think?

  112. C.L.

    Hey, former Victoria Police commissioner Christine Nixon won the Police Medal.
    Just putting it out there for the designers of her next book cover.

  113. zyconoclast

    Hensworth’s squeeze is a real looker.

    Elsa Pataky 1

    Elsa Pataky 2

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s crying out to have Hillary Clinton’s head Photoshoped on to it, don’t you think?

    I don’t have the knowledge, but I’ll offer ONE bottle of Lagavulin, to the first Cat who can photo-shop the image. One bottle of good single malt, to one Cat only. Sinclair, you can hold the coats.

  115. twostix

    No. we were always a country of bludgers, protected by government – including through tariffs and the White Australia policy – from ever having to do hard days work, let alone be efficient, innovative or productive.

    This is cringe central stuff.

  116. twostix

    So Trump effortlessly won the NFL thing.

    The first skirmish of the culture war and he won it using….a single tweet.

    Uh-oh, bad days ahead for the old Clintonian left!

  117. twostix

    U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday the National Football League should not be given tax breaks, stepping up his criticism of the world’s top-grossing sports league over silent player protests at games against racial injustice.

    This is what the non-left winning a culture war looks like.

  118. This is cringe central stuff.

    Indeed. I know farmers and bricklayers with hands the size of baseball gloves. They didn’t get that way from bludging.

  119. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Fox News tells me that right now Harvey is on a private jet headed for a European sex rehabilitation clinic.

    Oh the possibilities – does he attend lectures on how to be better at it? Sit in group therapy lessons confessing to strangers just how long it is, just how long it is since he had a tug and how ashamed he is at knocking off half of Hollywood (yeah, sure) whilst eyeing off the blonde sheila across the room with AFL-grand-final-medal-worthy boobs?

    Do they have them explore their creative inner selves by conducting art lessons, painting nudes? Diversion therapy bringing on African violets? Developing patience through growing jasmine? Is honey, almonds, asparagus and oysters off the menu?

    I wonder what they win when they graduate (apart from a Cert IV in De-bonking)? A night out in the flesh pots of Amsterdam perhaps.

  120. I don’t have the knowledge, but I’ll offer ONE bottle of Lagavulin, to the first Cat who can photo-shop the image. One bottle of good single malt, to one Cat only. Sinclair, you can hold the coats.

    Here you go Zulu. Enjoy.

  121. twostix

    Indeed. I know farmers and bricklayers with hands the size of baseball gloves. They didn’t get that way from bludging.

    The optics of pampered modernist “conservative” public servant Canberran lamenting about colonials who lived and died in bark huts, cutting down the timber and mining out the minerals by hand to build this country, not knowing what a “hard days work is” is why “conservatism” is on the scrap heap next to “libertarianism”.

  122. Cannibal

    Harvey is copying Polanski for possibly the same reason?

  123. DrBeauGan

    I don’t have the knowledge, but I’ll offer ONE bottle of Lagavulin, to the first Cat who can photo-shop the image. One bottle of good single malt, to one Cat only. Sinclair, you can hold the coats.

    Here you go Zulu. Enjoy.

    That doesn’t look like Hillary.

  124. You may have to squint a little Beau. Study it more closely.

  125. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    That doesn’t look like Hillary.

    I don’t want to sound like a welsher, but I’m struggling to detect any likeness to Shillary in that image..

  126. My sense is that Monty could be just trolling us.

    He often seems to argue on a vocabulary rather than a conceptual level.

    Bullshit.

    He’s not even equal to Hammy’s third left over donut half-eaten by his dog.

  127. Indeed. I know farmers and bricklayers with hands the size of baseball gloves. They didn’t get that way from bludging.

    Sorry Dover, but you’ve got it all wrong. Everybody knows those WWI VC-winning heroes Baldrick writes about each new thread, were only fighting to protect our White Australia Policy, and Import Tariffs. Even then, they wouldn’t have been there unless the penalty rates were so good. Bludgers.

    Do I really need a sarc/OFF tag?
    Given previous comments on this thread, yes, I suppose I do.

  128. You can donate my scotch to the nearest poor homeless bastard, Zulu. He would enjoy it more.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Everybody knows those WWI VC-winning heroes Baldrick writes about each new thread, were only fighting to protect our White Australia Policy, and Import Tariffs. Even then, they wouldn’t have been there unless the penalty rates were so good. Bludgers.

    Hugo Throssel, who tried to pawn his Victoria Cross, and was offered ten shillings? Martin O’Meara (16 RWAR) who spent years and years in and out of mental institutions after Wobbly Wobbly One – Yeah, White Australia Policy, and penalty rates.

    My grandmother’s brother enlisted in World War One.. He was a miner, and served in a tunneling company. He was gassed in 1917, to the point where he never recovered his health, and died in 1941, having been in and out of hospital for most of those intervening years. He returned his war medals in 1924, in protest. “White Australia policy” and “penalty rates” my hairy ar$e.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “White Australia policy” and “penalty rates” my hairy ar$e.

    Sarc off, sorry.

  131. twostix

    M-nty after your explosion of ecstasy after Tony Abbott ex-PM was assaulted, and your yeah-but-nahism over Hollywood Leftwing Institional Rapism, do you think you’ll ever be allowed to post here normally again?

    Laying it on a bit thick trying to butter up the old codgers, no?

  132. Robber Baron

    Just catching up on the news. Let me get this straight. Turnbull’s global warming policy to stop global warming which would force people to run their air coolers to stay cool is to encourage people to not use air coolers and remain hot.

    We have a very poor bull shitting con-man running the country.

  133. twostix

    Our entire establishment class are border-line retards.

    Honestly they’re not smart people, m0nty is the best of them, and they won’t even have him.

  134. Robber Baron

    Wife finally discharged from “catholic” hospital. This hospital serves muslims. Lord have MERCY (hint) upon us.

    Australia is gone.

  135. Gab

    Apparently Milo is a gay j.w with a black husband; if he wore a burqa I reckon he would be unassailable.

    Nope because there’s two major strikes against him which cancels all that out: he’s white and not a Demrat voter.

  136. C.L.

    I think you’ve misunderstood Des’s historical point, which he unnecessarily distorted by using the word “bludgers.” I took him to mean that the Australian economic nation was bludging and not doing the “hard day’s work” it would have done (been free to do) in a truly market system. The historical claim is accurate: there was no golden Australian age of rugged laissez-faire, somehow brought to a close by the statism of recent times. Dirigiste statism was always the dominating paradigm of Australian economic life and policy, dating back to colonial times.

  137. Gab

    Hey, former Victoria Police commissioner Christine Nixon won the Police Medal.

    Incompetence always gets rewarded in this country.

  138. Leigh Lowe

    Apparently the cops have narrowed down the Richmond tiitties scandal to 22 people.

    Forget that.
    I want to see if I can pick those tits out of a line-up.
    “Take your time. Make sure of it before you identify them.”

  139. Gab

    Imagine the fab cartoon Bill Leak would have drawn over Malcolm’s latest gillard stunt.

  140. Leigh Lowe

    What crime precisely has been committed by an adult woman being photographed with a piece of cheap j welry hanging in the chasm between two ample knockers?

  141. Baldrick

    I don’t have the knowledge, but I’ll offer ONE bottle of Lagavulin, to the first Cat who can photo-shop the image. One bottle of good single malt, to one Cat only. Sinclair, you can hold the coats.

    Not the AFL Hillary but the NFL Hillary.

  142. Baldrick

    Do I really need a sarc/OFF tag?

    No need MV

  143. C.L.

    I think you’ve misunderstood Des’s historical point, which he unnecessarily distorted by using the word “bludgers.” I took him to mean that the Australian economic nation was bludging and not doing the “hard day’s work” it would have done (been free to do) in a truly market system. The historical claim is accurate: there was no golden Australian age of rugged laissez-faire, somehow brought to a close by the statism of recent times. Dirigiste statism was always the dominating paradigm of Australian economic life and policy, dating back to colonial times.

    In The Australian this morning:

    Stick to emissions target: BCA

    11:00PM DAVID CROWE
    The nation’s peak business group has rejected calls for Australia to walk away from its pledge to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

  144. C.L.

    Victorian chief justice tried to nobble that state’s DPP.
    An extraordinary exclusive in The Australian.

    Top judge, DPP in row over crime sentencing.

    Former Victorian chief justice Marilyn Warren chastised the state’s top prosecutor and demanded he try to suspend a sentencing appeal to the High Court, which yesterday made it clear criminals in Victoria had been handed overly lenient sentences because the law had not been interpreted correctly.

    The Australian can reveal that, in a highly unusual move, then chief justice Warren, who retired on October 1, accused Victoria’s Director of Public Prosecutions of misleading the High Court and demanded he ask the court to suspend its determination of the appeal until the issues between them had been resolved.

    She sent Chief Crown Prosecutor Gavin Silbert QC a weird flurry of letters on this subject.
    Her claims were false.
    This dopey female was the top judge in Victoria; yesterday she was humiliated by the High Court.
    She also went after the three male Federal ministers.

  145. srr

    🅾️ 🇭 🇴 🇺 🇷 ❗‏ @__0HOUR1_ 1h1 hour ago
    More 🅾️ 🇭 🇴 🇺 🇷 ❗ Retweeted Meme Alert™

    Called it

    Meme Alert™ @MemeAlertNews
    Stephen Paddock was allowed to use the hotel service elevator as a “perk”. 🤔

    That’s why they’re freaking out because they gave him a elevator key.
    Now they are backtracking trying to cover their butts.

    Tick Tock

    Christian Lamar @christianllamar
    Replying to @__0HOUR1_
    The hotel was in on it.


    You know now many families will file lawsuits against @MandalayBay .

    They are responsible for that shooting greed before safety.

    Wow!

  146. JC

    Rose M is one tough broad. Wow, she’s going to town on these hypocrites. I know she’s likely to be a leftie but any port in the storm as a temporary alliance.

  147. JC

    ‪Rose , ur one tough good looking broad . Go harder on the Hollywood liberal hypocrites . The right supports u‬

  148. srr

    Steve Wynn Was Right – Las Vegas Shooter Used Mandalay Bay Freight Elevator…
    Posted on October 10, 2017 by sundance

    During an interview on Sunday* casino, hotel and resort billionaire Steve Wynn was describing some insider trade talk about the Mandalay Bay Massacre. During the interview Wynn inadvertently mentioned shooter Stephen Paddock using the “service elevators”* and how Wynn’s internal security measures would never allow that to happen.

    Asked for clarification, Mr. Wynn quickly demurred. However, CBS is now reporting that Stephen Paddock did in fact use the freight elevator at the Mandalay Hotel and Casino:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/mandalay-bay-shooting-18.jpg

    Las Vegas – Law enforcement sources told CBS News that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock is believed to have used the freight elevator at the Mandalay Bay hotel casino in the days leading up to last week’s deadly attack.

    It wasn’t clear what Paddock used the freight elevator for or how often he used it.

    *Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/10/steve-wynn-was-right-las-vegas-shooter-used-mandalay-bay-freight-elevator/
    ________________

    You might want to explore the whole thing and all the comments, before choosing to keep blindly obeying those heavily invested in covering the arses of Christendom’s traitors.

  149. JC

    Who’s covering up what, USSR, you kremlin troll farm resident?

  150. Leigh Lowe

    Former Victorian chief justice Marilyn Warren chastised the state’s top prosecutor and demanded he try to suspend a sentencing appeal to the High Court, which yesterday made it clear criminals in Victoria had been handed overly lenient sentences because the law had not been interpreted correctly.

    So, when Politicians dare to criticise a judgement, they are threatened with contempt but judges can attempt to tamper with a respondent before their Court exploring their rights of appeal.
    Separation of powers is a one way street for Marilyn it seems.

  151. OldOzzie

    Malay sultans take swing at Najib’s harnessing of political Islam

    Malaysia’s sultans have warned the country’s stability is at risk from political Islam in a statement interpreted by some as a shot across the bows of Prime Minister Najib Razak’s UMNO party, which has been accused of using Islam to divert attention from ­financial scandals.

    The rare statement by the constitutional monarchy’s council of rulers, representing nine sultans and four governors, singled out ­attempts by laundromat owners in two states to enforce a Muslims-only policy out of trumped-up concerns of cleanliness.

    In both cases the states’ royals overruled the policy, with the Sultan of Johor denouncing it as “totally unacceptable and extremist” and declaring his was “no Taliban state”.

    But the rulers’ statement also suggested the incidences were ­examples of broader attempts to divide the multi-ethnic, multi-­religious country along religious lines, and abandon Malaysia’s commitment to its Rukun Negara (national principles) of democracy and racial unity.

    “In recent weeks the actions of certain individuals have gone ­beyond all acceptable standards of decency, putting at risk the ­harmony that currently exists,” the rulers’ said, adding the implications of such actions were more severe when “committed in the name of Islam”.

    “As a religion that encourages its followers to be respectful, moderate and inclusive, the reputation of Islam must not ever be tainted by the divisive actions of certain groups or individuals which may

  152. srr

    💎STOCK MONSTER 💎‏ @StockMonsterUSA 17h17 hours ago

    KABOOOOM: Trump ALWAYS right !!
    POS La Raza advocate & now CA, AG Xavier Beccera
    implicated in Debbie Wasserman Schultz / Imran Awan Scandal

    https://twitter.com/StockMonsterUSA/status/917884691046264833

  153. Ivan Denisovich

    This dopey female was the top judge in Victoria; yesterday she was humiliated by the High Court.
    She also went after the three male Federal ministers.

    How did Victoria get there?

    ROB Hulls has appointed another former head of civil rights group Liberty Victoria to the bench.

    Left-wing lawyer Gregory Connellan has been appointed a magistrate.

    Mr Connellan is the third former Liberty Victoria president Mr Hulls has named as a judge or a magistrate in the eight years he has been the Attorney-General.

    He follows Chris Maxwell, the Court of Appeal president who was former Labor federal attorney-general Gareth Evans’ principal private secretary, and County Court judge Felicity Hampel.

    Mr Hulls also appointed Marcia Neave, an ex-Liberty Victoria committee member, to the Court of Appeal.

    As Victoria’ No. 1 law officer, Mr Hulls has put his stamp firmly on the bench, with a number of civil libertarians or Labor-aligned appointments.

    He has appointed 110 of the 214 judges and magistrates — a staggering 51 per cent.

    And Mr Hulls has appointed every judicial head in Victoria — Chief Justice Marilyn Warren in 2003; head of the County Court Michael Rozenes in 2003; Chief Magistrate Ian Grey in 2001; and Court of Appeal President Mr Maxwell in 2005.

    Judge Rozenes was one of a number of Labor-aligned lawyers who took out newspaper ads backing Gough Whitlam’s election in 1974.

    Another of those “Lawyers for Labor” was Justice Bernard Bongiorno, a former director of public prosecutions appointed a Supreme Court judge by Mr Hulls in 2000.

    A third name on the list is Justice Frank Vincent, whom Mr Hulls appointed to the Court of Appeal in 2001.

    Mr Hulls’ former chief of staff, Fiona Hayes, was made a magistrate in June.

    Another magistrate he appointed in 2005, Luisa Bazzani, was front-runner for pre-selection in Williamstown in the early ’90s before ex-premier Steve Bracks was endorsed.

    Former Labor candidate Stuart Morris was appointed to head VCAT but resigned this year and has not yet been replaced.

    Shadow attorney-general Robert Clark, said he was concerned many judges and magistrates in Victoria were being appointed “from a very narrow base”.

    “Having Labor Party connections or Liberty Victoria connections seem to give a huge boost to the prospects of being appointed to the bench,” Mr Clark said.

    “I’m concerned there is an element other than merit creeping into the decisions Rob Hulls makes in decisions on who is on the bench.”

    Mr Hulls’ spokeswoman Meaghan Shaw denied Mr Hulls saw Liberty Victoria as a recruiting ground for judges and magistrates.

    Ms Shaw said the Government advertised for magistrates, and a panel chaired by Chief Magistrate Ian Gray made recommendations which Mr Hulls took to Cabinet.

    She said for Supreme Court and County Court appointments, Mr Hulls consulted widely.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hulls-makes-his-mark/news-story/eab7c0cc18d50f8c93ad3923ed88e758?sv=8ca1209369253a0dd3c2a3b90927297f

    LOL.

  154. OldOzzie

    I will never complain about my HCF Premiums again

    Obama Lied. My FOURTH Health Plan Died.

    Is pathological lying covered under the Affordable Care Act?

    Speaking of Affordable Care Act whoppers, so much for “affordable.” Our current deductible is $6,550 per person; $13,100 for our family of four. Assuming we can find a new plan at the bottom of the individual market barrel, our current monthly premium, $944.86, will rise to more than $1,300 a month.

  155. Mark A

    Thanks Tom appreciated.
    I must be out of the political loop as the rest of them make little sense to me.

  156. Zatara

    Cats: how does a motivated, cashed-up kiddie embark on the journey to prosperity?

    Delta A,

    Sorry to be late to the party but my recommendation to your Grand Daughter would be to have her look into raising quail for the egg and meat markets. Raising and selling them teaches responsibility and practical business lessons from the ground up and there are plenty of books, articles and videos available online to give her details on how to do it.

    It doesn’t take a huge initial cash outlay, can be done in relatively small space on a patio, in the garage, etc.. The birds are quiet, don’t stink, and can produce an egg a day in some species. Selling the products can be done quite easily on Gumtree (Japanese quail eggs are going for $10-$15 a dozen there) as well as markets for meat and eggs she develops in person.

    She won’t get rich on it but she can make some decent money and have lots of fun while learning some important lessons.

  157. rickw

    Thanks Tom, I think this one is pretty good:

    Nate Beeler.

  158. Herodotus

    BBC overnight ran yet another “the ice caps are melting and we’ll all be drowned unless we pay up” story.
    Since it was principally about Antrctica the ABC mini-me is sure to follow suit.

  159. Bruce of Newcastle

    What was Obama’s best golf score again…?

    Trump plays golf, shoots 73. Haters go crazy.

    From the reaction on Twitter, President Trump shooting 73 — at age 71 — is just as unbelievable. But Sen. Lindsey Graham, a longtime buddy of Sen. John McCain and, like the war hero, not exactly a big Trump fan, says that’s exactly what happened.

    “Really enjoyed a round of golf with President @realDonaldTrump today,” the South Carolina Republican posted Monday on Twitter. “President Trump shot a 73 in windy and wet conditions!”

    Never enough winning!

  160. Fergus

    What an idiot! So the slaughter continues-

    CAR “is not in a pre-genocide situation,” Adama Dieng, the U.N.’s special advisor for the prevention of genocide, said.

    Genocide “is a long process,” he explained.

  161. stackja

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1 minute ago
    Happy to announce we are awarding $1M to Las Vegas – in order to help local law enforcement working OT to respond to last Sunday’s tragedy.

  162. stackja

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 6 hours ago
    With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!

    Got publicity!

  163. Tel

    Since it was principally about Antrctica the ABC mini-me is sure to follow suit.

    Time to send another ship to get stuck in the ice and need more public funds to rescue.

    They are never going to live that down 🙂

  164. stackja

    Tel
    #2520997, posted on October 12, 2017 at 6:53 am
    Since it was principally about Antrctica the ABC mini-me is sure to follow suit.

    Time to send another ship to get stuck in the ice and need more public funds to rescue.

    They are never going to live that down 🙂

    Stuck ship has entered MSM forgottery.

  165. Tom

    I think this one is pretty good:
    Nate Beeler.

    Rick, Nate concludes that “America is destroying America”.

    Nate is a lefty, so of course he would reach that conclusion.

    What has happened to America is Obama’s legacy: he deepened the divisions to the point where the country is split down the middle and the left has become the neo-communist loony left, which will be happy with nothing less than the destruction of the nation with a lawless open-slather, open-borders regime — which was actually what the Obama administration was operating. Obama was the Al Capone figurehead holding the racket together, using the deep state bureaucracy as a government standover operation.

    And the racketeers are still being protected by the mainstream media, which has become the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party. The MSM now sees its role as destabilising/undermining/bringing down the Trump administration, which was elected to clean up Obama’s mess.

    In 150 years of journalism, we haven’t, until now, seen the MSM actually making up stories to bring down a government — the 2017 reality in America and the 2014-2016 backdrop in Australia, where stories made up by the MSM fostered the party room coup d’état against Abbott.

    What is happening in America is actually a painful political revolution — the reinvention of the republic by nationalists fighting the cancer within: an alliance of nihilists and Marxist totalitarians — transnational globalists, who very nearly succeeded in destroying America.

    Trump’s border wall, therefore, has become an expression of American sovereignty against the nation-wreckers who have masterminded the avalanche of illegal immigration and the consequent lawlessness of imported gang violence and homegrown terrorism (Antifa, BLM and freelance killers like Stephen Paddock).

  166. stackja

    Moves to revoke Weinstein’s many honours
    Associated Press
    October 12, 2017 5:36am
    The University at Buffalo is moving to have alumnus Harvey Weinstein’s honorary degree revoked in response to multiple accusations of harassment and sexual assault against the Hollywood mogul.

    The university said on Wednesday it is “well aware” of the allegations against Weinstein, who was an English major there from 1969-1973.

    The university says it has begun the process for revoking the honorary degree it bestowed on him in 2000. The decision lies with the State University of New York board of trustees.

    In awarding the honorary SUNY doctorate of humane letters, the university noted that Weinstein and another student started a concert promotion company in 1972 called Harvey and Corky Productions, which became a fixture on Buffalo’s music scene.

    Multiple women have accused Weinstein of wrongdoing. He denies non-consensual activity.

    Meanwhile a group of British politicians has called on the government to strip Weinstein of a royal honour bestowed on him for his contributions to the arts.

    In an open letter to Prime Minister Theresa May, MPs from the opposition Labour Party said Weinstein should be stripped of his title as Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire.

    The CBE is a prestigious award given out by Queen Elizabeth upon the recommendation of the government of the day. Weinstein received his in 2004.

    The MPs said Weinstein’s alleged sexual misconduct and abuse, detailed in stories in the New York Times and the New Yorker, were “unacceptable and intolerable. They were unacceptable in the 1960s, they are unacceptable now and they may well be criminal under US and UK law.”

    In light of the mounting accusations against him, Weinstein’s CBE should be rescinded, the letter said. Letting him hold on to it would risk “bringing the honors system into disrepute”.

    On Wednesday, BAFTA announced that it had suspended Weinstein’s membership for “alleged behaviour completely unacceptable and incompatible with BAFTA’s values”.

  167. Tel

    Meme Alert™ @MemeAlertNews
    Stephen Paddock was allowed to use the hotel service elevator as a “perk”.

    With his gun dealing business shipping merchandise in and out all day, they hardly want that heavy equipment to accidentally scratch the lovely mirrors in the main elevators.

    I’ve personally brought a lot of computing equipment in and out of office buildings and if the building maintenance staff see you pushing a heavy trolley they immediately redirect you to the service elevator… every time.

  168. I think you’ve misunderstood Des’s historical point,

    If that is the case, apologies.

  169. stackja

    Des Deskperson
    #2520789, posted on October 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm
    ‘I believe the patrol officers played colonial power,’

    There were lots of former patrol officers – Kiaps – in the Defence Department when I joined in the late seventies. Presumably there was some deal between Defence and the Department of Territories or whatever it was called at the time to provide jobs for these guys.

    They were all extremely unremarkable men, with none of the intelligence, charisma, flexibility, energy or judgement that received wisdom and propaganda had lead is to expect. Dull, lazy clods. It has always made me question how well we actually did in PNG pre-independence.

    Interesting.

  170. stackja

    The 2002 Bali bombings occurred on 12 October 2002 in the tourist district of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali.

  171. Fergus

    Will the actors have to get into Hollywood on their actual acting abilities now?

  172. Fergus

    The Bookings Inst. is impeaching Trump again-on the words of someone who words may not be that truthful themselves.

  173. stackja

    Fergus
    #2521011, posted on October 12, 2017 at 7:35 am

    Hollywood reached its use by date?

  174. cynical1

    Remember Tarantino and the BLM and guns bullshit?

    Got his start through Harvey all those years ago.

    Crickets…

  175. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Bookings Inst. is impeaching Trump again

    Awwww, the poor man is not happy!

    Democratic Mega-Donor Demands Democrats Pledge to Impeach Trump

    Tom Steyer, Democratic mega-donor and environmentalist, has demanded Democratic lawmakers and candidates pledge to to push for the impeachment of President Donald Trump if they take control of Congress next year.

    I mean just because Trump is overturning all this climate bedwetter’s pet religious doctrines is no excuse to throw your toys out of the pram like that.

    Sounds like it’d be a really excellent time to start a nice investigation of Mr Steyer’s business dealings. Especially where he has been getting all sorts of government green for his conspicuous greenery.

  176. herodotus

    What is happening in America is actually a painful political revolution — the reinvention of the republic by nationalists fighting the cancer within: an alliance of nihilists and Marxist totalitarians — transnational globalists, who very nearly succeeded in destroying America.

    There’s been a fair bit of that “cancer” happening here too, but as yet we have no Trump figure to undertake the painful corrections.

  177. rickw

    There’s been a fair bit of that “cancer” happening here too, but as yet we have no Trump figure to undertake the painful corrections.

    I think ours is terminal, we don’t have the memes of the First and Second Amendment to anchor people’s expectations, thus the slide into full third world status is inexorable.

  178. rickw

    I’ve personally brought a lot of computing equipment in and out of office buildings and if the building maintenance staff see you pushing a heavy trolley they immediately redirect you to the service elevator… every time.

    I think the point other casino’s have made is that this is considered back of house, so you only go there with an escort. If they were fully aware of possible gun dealing then this wouldn’t have made much difference.

  179. rickw

    I think this one is pretty good:
    Nate Beeler.

    Rick, Nate concludes that “America is destroying America”.

    Nate is a lefty, so of course he would reach that conclusion.

    I actually interpreted the way a lot of non lefty’s would, in that the Left is actually raging against America itself, and violently to.

  180. Rabz

    What an idiot! So the slaughter continues-

    CAR “is not in a pre-genocide situation,” Adama Dieng, the U.N.’s special advisor for the prevention of genocide, said.

    Genocide “is a long process,” he explained.

    Yeah, it’s like that regrettable incident in Rwanda never happened.

    Dunderheads.

  181. Bruce of Newcastle

    I always find it amazing that I should see a story like the following one at a Canadian website having trawled my way through dozens of other news websites.

    ‘These children will have problems growing up’: Moderate Muslim imam slams fundamentalist preacher who says parents should ban their kids from listening to MUSIC

    Why am I surprised you might ask?

    Well it so happens that the imam doing the slamming is our old acquaintance Mohammad Tawhidi, and the fundamentalist preacher was giving the sermon against music in a mosque in Auburn in Sydney last week.

    A Muslim imam who speaks out against radicalisation has slammed an Islamic fundamentalist for saying parents should ban their children from listening to music in the car.

    Adelaide-based Shia leader Mohammad Tawhidi has taken aim at western Sydney Sunni fundamentalist morals campaigner Nassim Abdi’s rant about children ‘drowning in music’.

    ‘These children will have problems growing up without a doubt,’ Sheikh Tawhidi told Sydney radio 2GB presenter Ben Fordham on Tuesday.

    How odd that this is not splashed across Australian media outlets.

  182. Rabz

    Remember Tarantino and the BLM and guns bullshit?

    Got his start through Harvey all those years ago.

    Crickets…

    It is difficult not to – I’ve got a Pulp Fiction poster in the garage and one of the most prominent names on it is Harvey Weinstein.

  183. notafan

    That comment about bludgers protected by the White Australia policy and tariffs makes no sense.

    We didn’t have little brown people to do manual labour for us while we lounged around on our colonial verandas and we couldn’t import cheaper goods from overseas but had to make and buy our own more expensive ones therefore bludgers?

    Yet here we are, a first world country.

  184. Rabz

    We didn’t have little brown people to do manual labour for us while we lounged around on our colonial verandas

    Except in Queensland, where Kanakas did the labour. Mal Meninga is of Kanakan descent.

  185. struth

    There’s been a fair bit of that “cancer” happening here too, but as yet we have no Trump figure to undertake the painful corrections.

    We are way further down the line.

    We don’t see the level of violence as is the case in American universities because no one is opposing them, and they would be flat out banned.
    Just a small group of peaceful people wanting to congregate in a church to talk about safe schools brings down the violent left here.
    Old people get bashed attending a Pauline Hanson meeting.
    Anyone from the states or anywhere slightly right wing is banned from entry, where they still operate in Canada, the U.S.A. and even Britain.

    The States are fighting back.
    We are not.
    The land down under has gone down under.

    We are peacefully bending over and taking it, while wearing our government declared safety shirts, and are in a much, much, much worse situation than the states.

    If we make a fuss about boat people they just fly them in.
    But they keep coming.
    And more than any other country is taking, even though our actual population is small in comparison.
    Nothing, not one thing regarding the cultural Marxist, global socialist agenda for this country has been stopped.
    The only reason there is no real violence here, is that no one is fighting them.
    They’ve had the kiddies brainwashed and they are now growing old.
    It all started in our schools in the late sixties.
    We are now seeing the quickening.
    The insanity.
    Our power system collapsing and government suggesting paying people to keep air conditioners off.

    F.M.D.
    We are way worse than the states.
    Way more corrupt.
    Way more socialist.

    I reckon Venezuelans would tell you that we haven’t got long before the toilet paper is rationed to four squares a day.

  186. Rabz

    We are way worse than the states.
    Way more corrupt.
    Way more socialist.

    I think this is a little bit of an exaggeration. Corruption in the states is all encompassing, entrenched in every level of government and the bureaucracy. Look at the IRS Tea Party example – apart from the unions we look like rank amateurs.

    At least they’ve got Fatty Trump, who’s committed to putting a stop to some of the most egregious examples.

    We have no one – seriously, that fat flailing windbag and a sleazy corrupt union stooge committed to entrenching even more corruption?

  187. Dave in Marybrook

    we didn’t have little brown people…
    Kanakas were Fijian, if I remember?
    They were British subjects, just like Australians, subject to British rights and conditions. They were us, just like all of my siblings have spent some time living and working seasonally in the UK. Two of my brothers are now in Scotland permanently, relocating just like the Meningas. Don’t go thinking that there was any coercion or condescension, that’s racist.

  188. struth

    Look at the IRS Tea Party example

    We have the Human Rights Commission, and regulations to close down our “tea parties”.

    In every corruption scandal you read about in the states, because you don’t read about it here, does not mean it’s not happening.
    That’s the point.

  189. Bruce of Newcastle

    I reckon Venezuelans would tell you that we haven’t got long before the toilet paper is rationed to four squares a day.

    Robotically.

    Feeling secure with facial recognition, unless at a Chinese loo (most recent Weekend Oz)

    As we await the release of the much-hyped iPhone X and its ­facial recognition feature, entrepreneurs in China have already spotted an opportunity. Playing on the fear of some prospective buyers that snooping partners might secretly unlock their phone while they are asleep, companies are ­offering face masks that promise to thwart the technology.

    Closer to home, we had our own encounter with the new possibilities of facial recognition this week with Malcolm Turnbull securing agreement from the states to add our driver’s licence photos to a national database

    The applications for facial recognition range from the mundane to the concerning. Last month KFC in China rolled out “smile to pay”, a system that lets users select what they want to eat from a virtual menu, then validate the payment using a scan of their face. China Southern Airlines, meanwhile, replaced boarding passes with facial recognition and in Shenzhen trials have begun in taxis to certify a driver’s identity.

    On the darker side, tourists in need of a bio break at Beijing’s Temple of Heaven are now confronted with a face-­scanning loo-paper dispenser in the public toilet. The technology has been ­deployed to foil local residents who were accused of taking large amounts of toilet paper home with them. The new loo dispenser gives each patron a somewhat stingy 60cm length and imposes a nine-minute wait before it will dispense any more to the same person.

    Bad luck if you need more than 60cm: failing to patriotically support the Party’s warmly paternal loo discipline will see your toilet report you to the secret police.

  190. notafan

    Robber Baron were you in Melbourne or Sydney?

    I’m willing to bet that the appalling behaviour of their islamic customers is a thorn in the side of every public hospital, Catholic run or no, as no doubt there is the behaviour you observed and plus some to a power of eleventy.

    I took one of mine to the new emergency rooms at Box Hill hospital last week, no more barging past triage and demanding immediate attention as I’ve seen before, the only way into the treatment area is by being buzzed in.

    Of course they had a surgeon there murdered by a gentleman because he dared to object to his smoking in the entrance.


    I’m sure Mr eismali is very sorry

  191. Senile Old Guy

    The new victims!

    Melbourne-born human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell is gay and has fought hard in the UK for equal recognition of same-sex relationships. Now he is fighting for heterosexuals to have the same rights. “When the Labour government introduced civil partnerships in 2004 and declared they would only apply to same-sex couples, I immediately felt this was very unfair,” he said.

    “So, I began a campaign, with others, to press the Government to widen the legislation so it would apply to both same-sex and opposite-sex couples. But sadly, the Government rejected that. “It is a frustrating situation for many opposite-sex couples, among them journalist and education campaigner Fiona Millar, and her partner, former Blair government advisor Alastair Campbell. They have been together for 37 years and have three children, but Millar says she never wanted to get married. “I’ve never felt particularly comfortable with the patriarchal overtones of it all,” she said.

    My reaction is: f*ck off and die. She wants the benefits of something she will not commit to. If you want the “benefits” (such as they are) of being married, get married. The “patriarchal overtones” is simply pseudo-political BS. Why should society have to accommodate every single left wing loonies hangups?

    In Britain, same-sex couples have the best of both worlds. Civil partnerships were established in 2004, and after a decade-long campaign by gay rights advocates, the UK government legalised same-sex marriage in England and Wales from 2014. But if you are a straight couple you have only one legal option — marriage.

    Hahahahaha! Sucked in! This is exactly where stupid identity politics lands you. There are now endless examples of this but that does not stop stupid people digging yet another hole. Australia will soon have SSM and we will see the same nonsense play out here.

  192. struth
    #2521032, posted on October 12, 2017 at 8:41 am
    The only reason there is no real violence here, is that no one is fighting them.

    Yep.
    When the CFMEU threatens to rape opponents’ children, Pony Girl slaps them with a wet lettuce and Shorten goes to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. I didn’t hear anything from Trumble about it either.

    With that level of support, of course the thugs of our society will be emboldened.

  193. Fergus

    It was called Blackbirding. Some pretty bad stuff went down.

  194. zyconoclast

    That comment about bludgers protected by the White Australia policy and tariffs makes no sense.

    We didn’t have little brown people to do manual labour for us while we lounged around on our colonial verandas and we couldn’t import cheaper goods from overseas but had to make and buy our own more expensive ones therefore bludgers?

    Yet here we are, a first world country.

    Come the summer blackouts, we will revert to stone age status.

  195. struth

    When I was younger, our bosses handed out drugs to keep us awake so as to keep working.

    Shakers etc.

    Lots of white people worked like dogs.

    Spare me the sad unforced grizzles of the darker skinned.

  196. srr

    American Pravda, NYT Part II – Exploiting Social Media & Manipulating the News
    veritasvisuals
    Oct 11, 2017
    In this follow-up American Pravda video, New York Times Audience Strategy Editor Nicholas Dudich explains how he can (and has) manipulated news reach based on his own personal agenda. Dudich also reveals that thanks to inside-baseball connections in Silicon Valley, he can exploit social media to his advantage for the Times.

  197. zyconoclast

    Any thoughts on the idea that when the government/power utility asks you to turn things off to take pressure off the grid that we should turn everything on to maximise the power use. This will cause failures.

    That way the scumbags can’t hide from or delay the true nature of to provide a first works power system.

  198. Fergus

    That brilliant heart surgeon in Sydney, killed by some Triad group. Dad was waiting for treatment from him and he wouldn’t have been the only one killed off as well.

  199. zyconoclast

    Associated Press Omitted Expert Quotes That Didn’t Fit The Narrative About Global Warming

    An Associated Press reporter sent some questions to Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. about what role global warming played in this year’s slew of billion-dollar natural disasters.

    Pielke, an expert on natural disaster costs, apparently didn’t give AP reporter Seth Borenstein the answers he was looking for, because his ensuing article didn’t have any quotes from the University of Colorado professor.

    Pielke’s answers largely reflected the work he’s been doing for years — that there’s no evidence global warming is making weather more extreme. Any increase in natural disaster costs is caused by an increase in wealth and population, according to Pielke’s research.

    Borenstein, however, did quote Penn State climate scientist Michael Mann, who claimed global warming was “impacting extreme weather in ways we hadn’t anticipated.”

  200. zyconoclast

    Steve Bannon: “It’s a New Game in Town. We’re Going to Cut Off the Oxygen to Mitch McConnell” (VIDEO)

    Former Trump Strategist Steve Bannon went on with Sean Hannity to discuss his plans for the next year and the Washington elites better take notice.

    Steve Bannon told Sean, “We are going to cut off the oxygen to Mitch McConnell.”

    Steve Bannon: By the way these guys work three days a week. The American people, now, they’re working two jobs. Their wives are working two jobs. They know the urgency out there on the economic hate crimes that have been perpetuated on the American working men and women in this country because of the trade deals… We are declaring war on the Republican establishment that does not back the agenda that Donald Trump ran on and the President of the United States and that is an agenda that we know backs the men and women of this country.

    Sean Hannity: So this is basically a war because you know what McConnell did in Alabama.

    Steve Bannon: Karl Rove, Steve Law, they should get the joke because their donors are coming to us because they’re tired of having their money burned up by trying to destroy people like Judge Moore. It’s a new game in town. We’re going to cut off the oxygen to Mitch McConnell… We are going to win.

    And we are with you 100% brother Steve!

  201. Tel

    I think the point other casino’s have made is that this is considered back of house, so you only go there with an escort. If they were fully aware of possible gun dealing then this wouldn’t have made much difference.

    No doubt casinos have tighter rules than most places, but in my experience if there’s long and complex sign-in and check procedures then what you discover is people skip them because the to-and-fro traffic is constant every day and it all gets too difficult.

    I reckon if you popped a secret hidden camera into that service elevator you would find all sorts of gear going up and down without an escort.

    What’s the security escort gonna do anyhow? There’s a trolley with some big boxes, and the guy says, “I’m just leaving these in the corner of the room till tomorrow.” *shrug* Could be anything.

  202. Entropy

    All this talk of turning off equipment etc to reduce power consumption is why I refused a smart meter back in the day. I knew it would end up being used for nefarious purposes.
    The next step of course, is to charge people more if they don’t have one.

    Also, isn’t it great how they try to fix bad policy, not be ending it, but with an extra layer of more bad policy? Doubling down on stupid.

  203. zyconoclast, the sooner it hits the electric fan, the better.

  204. Dave in Marybrook

    Blackbirding, Fergus?
    What’s that meant to be? Poaching? Birdnesting? Abducting big thumping Fijian islander fellas? Or hoodwinking the other Fijians, the well-read ethnic Tamils and Indians? With no social history of servitude, let alone the implications of slavery?
    Please explain how that might be the done thing back then- any confirmed sightings?
    I think you’d find that blackbirding has been backloaded into popular history…

  205. Entropy

    A lot of South Pacific Islanders came to work in the canfields for quite low pay and lousy conditions, Dave.

  206. zyconoclast

    All this talk of turning off equipment etc to reduce power consumption is why I refused a smart meter

    I attended a meeting where senior executives the three major water utilities in Melbourne attended.
    They are trialling smart meters for water. Great, new tech, apps, modern, blah blah

    I asked the question, “No one has no mentioned use of the telemetry to reduce or shut down the flow of water to individual meters, why?”

    Answer: Mumble, mumble we hadn’t thought or planned for that.

    BTW the biggest bunch of SJW wankers ever. I am glad I don’t live in Victoriastan.

  207. notafan

    Amusingly, the peddler of muslim antifa false flag illuminati 🦎 people multiple shooters no shred of evidence conspiracies involving a cast of thousands, is now sagely nodding at evidence that Paddock had access to back of house elevators ( because he was a high roller ) to transport his arsenal to his room and using that as evidence that my comments here are for the purpose of hiding the TRUTH! from catallaxy readers.

    Could you be more paranoid and idiotic?

    I opined that on the face of the evidence Paddock may well have acted alone and until proven otherwise we should wait and see. A grave sin, indeed.

    All the back of house access offered to all high rollers information does is support the available evidence that Paddock acted alone.

    As for motive that is still in the wind, unless Gio Rios has something more to add to his amazing story about the scoffing man with a suitcase in the bullet ridden Tropicana?

  208. Senile Old Guy

    Any thoughts on the idea that when the government/power utility asks you to turn things off to take pressure off the grid that we should turn everything on to maximise the power use. This will cause failures.

    Brilliant idea! Where I live, this is not an issue but the energy policy in major parts of Australia is seriously insane. Now people are going to be paid, using taxpayer money, to not use electricity! This is beyond Catch-22 and into The Outer Limits type of stuff.

  209. Snoopy

    Saul Eslake is a Tasmanian! It explains so much.

  210. Diogenes

    I’m willing to bet that the appalling behaviour of their islamic customers is a thorn in the side of every public hospital, Catholic run or no, as no doubt there is the behaviour you observed and plus some to a power of eleventy.

    Nothing new there…
    When Mrs D gave birth to favourite no 1 son 30 and a bit years ago she was in a 4 way share room, one of the other the ladies was a muslima and in considerable pain due to a caeser. Hubby comes to visit the next day & starts demanding, then taking his conjugal rights. The nurses called security and he was removed post haste . I suppose these days he wouldn’t be removed.

  211. Senile Old Guy

    A social media war of words over Denmark’s local council elections is being called toxic, vitriolic, insulting, and divisive, prompting the town’s Shire president to call for calm in the lead up to the ballot later this month.

    This article exists because the ABC has too much money. It is of no relevance or interest to almost all Australians.

  212. Entropy

    Senile Old Guy
    #2521057, posted on October 12, 2017 at 9:19 am
    Any thoughts on the idea that when the government/power utility asks you to turn things off to take pressure off the grid that we should turn everything on to maximise the power use. This will cause failures.

    Brilliant idea! Where I live, this is not an issue but the energy policy in major parts of Australia is seriously insane. Now people are going to be paid, using taxpayer money, to not use electricity! This is beyond Catch-22 and into The Outer Limits type of stuff.

    Even better, recruit a bunch of people to go around measuring the temperature in the hypocritical bastards’ offices for regular public airing.

  213. Entropy

    The nurses called security and he was removed post haste . I suppose these days he wouldn’t be removed.

    I hope the hospital kept her in for an extended period due to ‘post partum complications’.

  214. notafan

    How many Kanakad Rabz, hundreds, thousands, forced or willing, I don’t know but they made a minimal impact on the Australian economy.

    My point was that referencing the White Australia policy as evidence of ours being a bludgeocracy is bizzare, either we white Australians emptied our own dunnies, or they didn’t get emptied.

  215. rickw

    Any thoughts on the idea that when the government/power utility asks you to turn things off to take pressure off the grid that we should turn everything on to maximise the power use. This will cause failures.

    I’ve been thinking about getting some of those eave contacts (the ones you plug in with a wooden painters pole) and putting cables on them. When they smart meter off, pull the contact, wire my new one downstream of the smart meter but upstream of the switchboard, shove the contact in. Obviously illegal but fuck them if they’re going to load shed you in the first world.

  216. Des Deskperson

    “We didn’t have little brown people to do manual labour for us while we lounged around on our colonial verandas and we couldn’t import cheaper goods from overseas but had to make and buy our own more expensive ones therefore bludgers?”

    Notafan, at the risk of over-simplification, tariffs protected Australian industry and its employees from competition. They underwrote industrial relations systems – embodied in the Harvester decision – that guaranteed workers a ‘living wage’, irrespective of their work ethic and productivity.

    Australian goods were expensive because of the mutually reinforcing combination of tariffs and a wage fixing regime that was for all practical purposes part of the social welfare system. This encouraged laziness, complacency and featherbedding – bludging – in both management and workers that lasted for more than half a century and that arguably still bedevils us today.

  217. lotocoti

    With his gun dealing business shipping merchandise in and out all day

    For some reason, I’m reminded of the plot from a particularly good thriller.

  218. Snoopy

    The IMF has downgraded the Australian growth outlook from 3% to 2.2%. Imagine how low it would be without the GDP boost derived from the Turnbull government paying households not to use electricity!

  219. Dave in Marybrook

    Here in the lush southwest, lots of tough youngsters are FIFO- they work hard, far away, in difficult conditions, and whinge about it, even as they drink pricey craft beer in the pub in their ample off-shift spare time. We who are left whinge about their huge disposable incomes and the inflationary effect on the local economy, but their womenfolk are well dressed and leisurely. They renew their contracts and return, season after season.
    Yep, a lot of South Pacific Islanders worked for lousy pay in bad conditions- and yet they returned, season after season. I’ve got no doubt that they were the highest earners in their home communities, and remitted a heap of their wages into their home communities, and were admired in their home communities.
    Blackbirding is bullshit. Don’t be charmed by it, it’s a bogus word for bogus history.

  220. Messing with marriage will hit constitutional bump:

    According to the court’s most traditional method of interpretation, the meaning of a word must be limited to what such word actually meant at the time the law was enacted. If this were applied to the institution of marriage, then not even the Federal Parliament has the constitutional authority to redefine marriage, but only a limited power to regulate on the institution, which does not encompass expanding its meaning to same-sex relations. Such interpretation effectively denies the Federal Parliament any power to redefine the meaning of marriage, since this would go outside the scope of the term’s original meaning.

    According to law professor Geoffrey Lindell: “At the time of federation the meaning of the term ‘marriage’ most commonly acknowledged was that contained in the cases which refused to recognise foreign polygamous marriage because such unions did not satisfy the traditional meaning of marriage now explicitly embodied in the Marriage Act 1961 (Commonwealth). Not surprisingly this will make it difficult for the court to accept that same-sex marriages now come within the meaning of the term ‘marriage’ in section 51(xxi) of the Commonwealth constitution – a view that has already attracted some judicial support.”[3]

  221. struth

    Notafan, at the risk of over-simplification, tariffs protected Australian industry and its employees from competition. They underwrote industrial relations systems – embodied in the Harvester decision – that guaranteed workers a ‘living wage’, irrespective of their work ethic and productivity.

    This is only correct in selected, mostly unionised areas of Australia’s economy, like the wharves.

    Many other white Australians worked like dogs to get around these special “workers’.

    The wharves, the BLF and many other protected species caused many deaths of truckies overworked trying to compensate for their disruptive corruption and laziness.
    Please do not class white workers as all the same breed.
    Highly offensive and racist.

  222. Snoopy

    Disgraced Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein isn’t an anomaly and there are “heavy hitters” in the Australian film industry who use their position for access to young women, says filmmaker Sophie Mathisen.

    Imagine for a minute the howls of outage if a man claimed to know of sexual abusers and rapists in the Australian film industry but declined to name names.

  223. struth

    Imagine for a minute the howls of outage if a man claimed to know of sexual abusers and rapists in the Australian film industry but declined to name names.

    We have a film industry?

    We have subsidised lefties calling themselves an “industry”, but there’s nothing industrial about it.

  224. Nick;

    Delta, I admit that I had a race tip, though a better suggestion is to invest in car cleaning gear, wax etc, a chamoi etc and ask neighbours if they’d like their cars washed. I hinted the same to the lad up the road, he’d make a killing .

    I had a wander around last time I was in the big smoke just looking at the inside of rear and front windscreens of granny cars. I was surprised at how dirty they were, with that film that develops. Perhaps she could specialise in cleaning windows that obviously some older volk find it difficult to get to.

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