Open Forum: October 14, 2017

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  1. zyconoclast

    4 hours online with a Microsoft tech so I miss out on first place

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And a new thread, all bright and shiny.

  3. Good evening chaps and chappettes.

  4. Davey Boy

    SFFP go you good thing in Cootamundra and Murray, today!

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Rises to his feet, doffs his top hat, adjusts his opera cloak, and staggers off to bed.

  6. Rises to his feet, doffs his top hat, adjusts his opera cloak, and staggers off to bed.

    Jeez, Zulu, it’s only 9.00pm in your neck of the woods.

  7. twostix

    Australia has its own weinsteins.

    They are people you know the name of.

  8. zyconoclast

    Maybe the wrong time of the day but…
    I know a 9-year-old girl who can read at 13 yo level but most of the modern books at this age level consist of broken families, drug addicted/alcoholic parents, criminal siblings, mental disorders or any combination of this or worse.

    One example is one of 12 yo con-joined twins with an unemployed, drunk father, recently unemployed mother, who has to sell their life story to reality TV, the twins have to attend public school for the first time because the mother lost her job. They are bullied at school the only friends the twins can find a druggie boy, an HIV positive girl called Yassmin, and a boy who lives alone in an abandoned building. They skip school and experiment with drink and drugs.
    The book is considered brave and inspirational.

    I think it would be depressing and suicidal.

    She has read all the ones that are not like this.

    Anyone have any ideas of not historical fiction that might suit her?

  9. Muzzlehatch

    zyconoclast
    #2522507, posted on October 14, 2017 at 12:24 am

    I knew of one like that who loved “screwtape letters”.

  10. Dave in Marybrook

    Zyco-
    I’m rediscovering my own childhood books now that my 7yo is eating them for brekkie, lunch and dins.
    C.S. Lewis. A bit cute, but very long twisty plots and heaps of kids going through the wringer.

  11. Dave in Marybrook

    … but is that conjoined twins book dinkum, or are you winding us up?

  12. Anyone have any ideas of not historical fiction that might suit her?

    Harry Potter
    The Hobbit
    Lord of the Rings
    Once and Future King
    David Eddings Belgariad series.

  13. Top Ender

    Zyconclast, why not try some of Susan Cooper’s fantasy series:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Is_Rising_Sequence

    They are excellent in very many ways.

  14. Dave in Marybrook

    Snap, Muzzlehatch. Good pithy bites.
    So don’t overlook short stories- Roald Dahl’s tales of the unexpected is PG but still thrilling.

  15. Australia has its own weinsteins.

    They are people you know the name of.

    Judith Lucy?

  16. zyconoclast

    Thanks

    I might look at and suggest the Screwtape Letters.

    All the Narnia books were long done with.
    She has probably read 1000 books by now.

  17. All the Narnia books were long done with.
    She has probably read 1000 books by now.

    I read the Thomas Covenant series by Stephen Donaldson at her age. Is the very best fantasy writer after Tolkein.

    Also, the original Conan books by Robert E Howard are top notch.

  18. zyconoclast

    Thanks to the other suggestions.

    Tip for a nightcap and bed.

  19. JC

    Where are the fathers of the girls that big fat Harvey attacked? Not one single report of a dad knocking the fat fuck out.

  20. Muzzlehatch

    zyconoclast
    #2522518, posted on October 14, 2017 at 12:36 am

    Titus Groan is probably about right too. Tolkien fantasy has been done to death since I was that age
    . Mervyn Peake was a lot edgier.

  21. Dave in Marybrook

    Just make sure she’s not smashing through without soaking anything in, Zyco. I know I did when I reached for the fantasy and SF in primary school. Don’t be afraid to serve up something that makes her stop and think.
    Starship Troopers, by Heinlein, just blew me away.
    The Gormenghast Trilogy, Mervyn Peake.
    And- importantly, before it gets made into a Netflix series- Good Omens, by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman.

  22. twostix

    Weinsteins don’t attack girls with the kind of fathers that would protect their daughters honour JC.

    That’s why they, in this case, he personally, wage culture war on proper fathers and fatherhood.

    More girls for him.

  23. Muzzlehatch

    Dave in Marybrook
    #2522522, posted on October 14, 2017 at 12:48 am

    …..
    The Gormenghast Trilogy, Mervyn Peake.
    …….

    beat you to it 😉

  24. Fisky

    LOL

    https://twitter.com/flatearthvape/status/918690204596150273

    Bulk Vanderhuge, PhD‏
    @flatearthvape

    happy 500-year anniversary to protestantism

  25. Robber Baron

    If chicks pretend to play elite football, then it’s only fair if pretend chicks also play.

  26. Hydra

    4 hours online with a Microsoft tech so I miss out on first place

    Did you call them? If not sounds like a good scam.

  27. Top Ender

    Starship Troopers, by Heinlein, just blew me away.

    Should be compulsory reading for all before they reach 20.

  28. Pete of Perth

    So the heats off Trump. Will there be another pussy hat parade?

  29. Atoms for Peace

    Plenty of internet lists of books to read.

  30. Muzzlehatch

    Atoms for Peace
    #2522531, posted on October 14, 2017 at 1:03 am

    it is a bit of a niche though. a very young person reading above her grade but probably not mature enough for more weighty cultural themes.

    much of the stalwarts of our day. john bucan john wyndam pg wodehouse etc may be bit dated. p.s. excuse typing .. broken arm here.

  31. Weinsteins don’t attack girls with the kind of fathers that would protect their daughters honour JC.

    That’s why they, in this case, he personally, wage culture war on proper fathers and fatherhood.

    There is much truth in this. The restoration of Western culture will require the gifts of fatherhood being recognized and that they only can be provided by a father. The same is true of motherhood and mothers.

  32. Chris

    Hi all!

    13. At that age I discovered LOTR. Age 9 and reading at 13 – I found The Hobbit.
    I read a whole bunch of books out loud to my own kids, including all the Harry Potters.
    Then I read Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality out loud to my wife.
    The Locus Awards – brilliant prizewinning fictions SF.
    Strunk and White
    Ender’s Game. Orson Scott Card has some good YA fiction series, might be a bit historic.
    The Dangerous book for Boys and anything by Conn Iggulden which is almost all historical fiction.
    The Man Who Planted Trees
    The Alchemist
    Biggles
    I suggests Neal Stephenson, Anathem. Way too old but there you go.

    Also the Youtube channel ‘Every Frame A Painting’ – about how the greats make their movies.

    I have forgotten everything about reading as a kid. I read everything I could find then.

  33. C.L.

    An instant classic of bourgeois News Corp ‘conservatism’ …
    In The Australian, Nikki Gemmell:

    Gay marriage: Explaining a ‘Vote No’ sign to our exchange student.

  34. Gemmell:

    The good thing about the rise of Trump and the vicious haters of the SSM debate is that it is galvanising for those made uncomfortable by unfairness.

    And yet it’s the Yes side that are always calling the No side vicious and haters. BTW, sorry we ruined a lovely afternoon sky with puffs of smoke, darling.

  35. C.L.

    The good thing about the rise of Trump and the vicious haters of the SSM debate is that it is galvanising for those made uncomfortable by unfairness.

    The SSM “debate” certainly proved galvanising for the staff of the ACL in Canberra – who were lucky not to be massacred by a marriage-obsessed homosexual terrorist.

  36. Mark A

    Is there a hope for Austria
    and Europe?

  37. Jo Smyth

    The Daphne du Maurier books,
    Rebecca,
    Jamaica Inn,
    My Cousin Rachel,
    Frenchman’s Creek.
    Read them in my early teens and loved them.

  38. Bruce in WA

    Top 50!

    Goodnight all😁

  39. struth

    Has anyone ever heard of a book called the Island of the Pines?

    About an old squirrel and two badger brothers.
    A great book from my childhood.

  40. Jo Smyth

    On the other hand
    The Making of the President 2016 by Roger Stone.

  41. To be brutally honest, that Gemmell piece was nothing more than a puff of smoke. Completely without substance and yet the Australian probably paid a grand for it. Bad judgment. Terrible.

  42. Infidel Tiger

    Why did she have to explain to an Italian kid about gay marriage? Aren’t homo hoedowns forbidden in Italy too?

  43. Mindfree

    for our south american friends

  44. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏ @jordanbpeterson 12m12 minutes ago
    More Jordan B Peterson Retweeted Jordan B Peterson

    This is the same issue Prof Bruce Pardy, Lawyer Jared Brown and I have been striving to make publicly known: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGC3y1BPzwA

    Jordan B Peterson @jordanbpeterson

    Conrad Black weighs in: Law society confers capricious dictatorial powers on its own administration http://nationalpost.com/wcm/f45bc7be-3f8b-41fe-8a9f-f1e3377db089

  45. Poor exchange student, getting Nikki Gemmell. Mind you, it could have been Nikki Savva …

  46. Dave in Marybrook

    Current reading for grown-ups- Detours, a memoir by Tim Rogers.
    Unputdownable. I don’t want it to end. Takes in a wide vista of Oz, current and bygone, and paints it gently and brilliantly, with touchingly honest self-examination too.
    It’d have to be a big tip for one of the State or Fed prizes for literature. If you see it on the shelves, ignore the wanky blurb from Don Walker- I can’t recommend it enough.

  47. struth

    Seeing Italy is basically overrun with mussies, they could make SSM legal and not that many gays would be out and proud and sacheting down the isle.
    Mussies just succeeded in having Christmas decorations banned in Cardwell QLD of all places so voting on homo hoedowns here is like voting on whether or not people with no hands should be taught the piano.

  48. Why did she have to explain to an Italian kid about gay marriage? Aren’t homo hoedowns forbidden in Italy too?

    Indeed, they have civil unions but no same-sex marriage. The whole situation is of course completely invented by Gemmell.

  49. srr

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    What he said.
    Mark Steyn after reading my book:

    https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller/status/913480378870005762
    FATWA: HUNTED IN AMERICA
    http://fatwabook.org – get it. Now.

  50. Nerblnob

    Why did she have to explain to an Italian kid about gay marriage? Aren’t homo hoedowns forbidden in Italy too?

    Yep.
    And neighbouring Slovenia had a referendum in 2015, and “No” won by a good couple of lengths.

  51. Mark A

    Nerblnob
    #2522569, posted on October 14, 2017 at 3:15 am

    Why did she have to explain to an Italian kid about gay marriage? Aren’t homo hoedowns forbidden in Italy too?

    Yep.
    And neighbouring Slovenia had a referendum in 2015, and “No” won by a good couple of lengths.

    I’m still puzzled by the Irish result, I knew they were strange in many ways but still. I thought they would be the last to convert.

  52. Nerblnob

    Ireland’s still apologising for being Catholic in the 21st century.

  53. Michel Lasouris

    Since American Negroes, and their fellow travellers, have taken to denigrating the American anthem and failing to salute the Flag, they have ceased to be people ‘of color’ and become OFF COLOUR. That is…….they’re a bad Joke!

  54. Mark A

    Nerblnob
    #2522573, posted on October 14, 2017 at 3:36 am

    Ireland’s still apologising for being Catholic in the 21st century.

    You could be right, although I see no reason for them to apologize.
    My ancestors ‘invaded’ this country in the 1840s and we are still of the catholic faith to this day, neither proud nor ashamed of it.

  55. egg_

    If chicks pretend to play elite football, then it’s only fair if pretend chicks also play.

    It must be a minute TV audience – what advertisers would be interested, unless they get an ultra-cheap ad slot?

  56. egg_

    Since American Negroes, and their fellow travellers, have taken to denigrating the American anthem and failing to salute the Flag, they have ceased to be people ‘of color’ and become OFF COLOUR. That is…….they’re a bad Joke!

    Are they getting their own flag – along Malcolm X lines?

  57. Where are the fathers of the girls that big fat Harvey attacked? Not one single report of a dad knocking the fat fuck out.

    They didn’t tell dad.
    Reason: A goodly number of them were actually quite happy with the transaction.
    On their back, assume the position, gaze at the ceiling for a number of minutes – in return they get a role that makes them famous, and gives a paycheque of $10 million.

    I know plenty of girls who’d pleasure Harvey all night long for that, and when he got busted years later, would sob to a press conference about how sometimes a poor helpless female has to do disgusting things “to survive”, and how they’d been “nauseated” by that boar pig Winestyne, and were so repelled by him that each time they’d done it with him they’d felt “so dirty”.

  58. Zatara

    zyconoclast

    IMO she could do far worse than reading from this list. Classics that one suspects students aren’t exposed to except in cartoon form these days.

    To Kill a Mockingbird
    Pride and Prejudice
    The Great Gatsby
    Animal Farm
    The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
    Lord of the Flies
    A Tale Of Two Cities
    The Count of Monte Cristo
    Watership Down
    Of Mice and Men
    The Once and Future King
    The Old Man and the Sea
    The Prince and the Pauper
    David Copperfield
    The Grapes of Wrath
    Gulliver’s Travels
    Etc.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    I know a 9-year-old girl who can read at 13 yo level

    Zyconoclast – Tamora Pierce‘s books. She writes for about age 12 upwards, with an emphasis on strong female characters (her stuff is great for all readers though).

    Traditionally start with the Lioness series:

    Alanna: The First Adventure (1983), In the Hand of the Goddess (1984), The Woman Who Rides Like a Man (1986) and Lioness Rampant (1988).

    Then Anne McCaffrey of course: starting with Dragonflight and moving on through the Dragon Riders of Pern series, and the Crystal Singer series and onwards.

  60. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    They didn’t tell dad.
    Reason: A goodly number of them were actually quite happy with the transaction.
    On their back, assume the position, gaze at the ceiling for a number of minutes – in return they get a role that makes them famous, and gives a paycheque of $10 million

    This side of course will never hit the MSM. Which fat old porker is going to complain about being used with sex by a bevy of beauties.

  61. John Constantine

    “The ABC was invited to Woolmark’s Prize exhibition event on Thursday night, after it was initially told by AWI that Mr Merriman, or chief executive Stuart McCullough, would make a comment on the Man in the Mirror incident.

    However, when asked to comment on concern by some wool producers that he covertly observed them, Mr Merriman said, “Go away you useless prick.

    “That is just ridiculous, that is disgraceful. F— off, report that. Rubbish.”

    The only way to treat the scum of their abc.

  62. John Constantine

    [ the wool bloke caught watching a focus group from behind a two way mirror, instead of just reading the report was not what he should have done, on a par with typical lefty treatment of focus groups]

    Still, telling the abc they were useless pricks is exactly the proper and reasonable response.

  63. Tintarella di Luna

    However, when asked to comment on concern by some wool producers that he covertly observed them, Mr Merriman said, “Go away you useless prick.

    “That is just ridiculous, that is disgraceful. F— off, report that. Rubbish.”

    The only way to treat the scum of their abc.

    how do I do those hand-clapping icons? I love it — more please Mr Merriman. I loathe the unaccountable and corporate media, vacuous agenda-pushing xxxxx.

  64. So the ABC is worthy of ridicule. Agreed.

    The Oz and PVO, however, really know how to push my buttons.
    The worst of modern “journalism”.

  65. srr

    BREAKING: FBI Hid Clinton/Lynch Tarmac Meeting Records
    Judicial Watch
    Oct 13, 2017
    Judicial Watch was informed yesterday by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) that the FBI has located 30 pages of documents related to the June 27, 2016, tarmac meeting between former Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Bill Clinton, and proposes non-exempt material be produced no later than November 30, 2017.

    The FBI originally informed Judicial Watch they did not locate any records related to the tarmac meeting.

    See full press release: https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-r

  66. Tintarella di Luna

    I’m still puzzled by the Irish result, I knew they were strange in many ways but still. I thought they would be the last to convert.

    If you heard Keith Mills, the leader of the Irish campaign you’d know why. it’s the same reason why the Yes will get up in Australia, total capitulation by the Prime Minister and senior cabinet ministers and the shadow ministry, the glaring timidity of the Churches and because as usual the moneyed and powerful will hold sway.

    The No campaign in Ireland was outspent 20:1 (pretty much the case in Australia), the utter betrayal of children by the elite class; academics, politicians and the rich and powerful corporate entities and public organisations (which is the case in Australia) No politician was permitted to publicly support or speak on behalf of the No campaign (which is not the case in Australia)

    It was a most interesting launch of the Marriage Coalition’s No campaign to hear what is not permitted to be said or broadcast in our national polity.

  67. srr

    O’Keefe Response: NYT Exec Editor Calls Him “despicable,” Says Veritas Videos, “damaging”
    veritasvisuals
    Oct 13, 2017
    In this video, O’Keefe responds to Baquet’s hypocrisy. O’Keefe also explains why the recent NYT Social Media Policy changes just aren’t enough.

    Following the release of Project Veritas’ newest American Pravda series, NYT Executive Editor Dean Baquet responds, calling James O’Keefe “despicable.”

    The Times also was forced to update their social media policies in the wake of the undercover videos.

  68. Entropy

    Love what he did to the ABC, but what was Merriman thinking doing the mirror business anyway? Way to alienate his fellow breeders.

  69. Don’t be afraid to serve up something that makes her stop and think.
    Starship Troopers, by Heinlein, just blew me away.

    Can a book be that good, considering how God-awful the movie was?

  70. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Ideal leftoid couple

    Guardian promotes cuckoldry as a way of life
    ‘We have rules for swinging: no one cheating on their wives, no one who supports Trump’

  71. RealWorld

    Their ABC now like to call anyone from the “right” of politics around the world, “populist”
    Isn’t being “populist”, doing the popular, destructive things, like borrowing money against future generations to hand out to all and sundry now, shutting down vital industries to win votes, supporting the high immigration pyramid scheme, selling off our assets to boost the current bottom line, and telling people that answer is “equality”, you know – taxing the crap out of everyone who has worked, so those who haven’t become more “equal” – basically following the rule book of the socialist LEFT!
    How can a small government person of the right, possibly be populist?

  72. nerblnob

    Mark A
    #2522575, posted on October 14, 2017 at 3:41 am
    Nerblnob
    #2522573, posted on October 14, 2017 at 3:36 am

    Ireland’s still apologising for being Catholic in the 21st century.

    You could be right, although I see no reason for them to apologize.
    My ancestors ‘invaded’ this country in the 1840s and we are still of the catholic faith to this day, neither proud nor ashamed of

    Catholicism is the biggest single religion in Australia, has been for forty or fifty years, but still you had idiots protesting the pope’s visit a few years back saying it was “un-Australian”.

    Young Irish talk of living in a “theocracy” as if one of the freest countries in Europe, the world, it were Iran or Saudi.

    So they want to show that they’re cool and modern, as young Australians do, and gay marriage seems a no-risk easy of doing it.

    Seriously, young folk see no risk at all in it, and nobody’s tried to persuade them otherwise.

  73. srr

    Tommy’s Friday Fatwa: Munroe Bergdorf, KFC, and Camel Urine!
    Rebel Media
    Oct 13, 2017
    (LANGUAGE WARNING) Introducing Tommy Robinson’s first ever Friday Fatwa! Each week we’ll bring you more light-hearted news and commentary, along with the Hadith of the Week!

  74. min

    Your ABC reporting the plight of a penguin colony in the French part of Antarctica this morning told of the deaths of all but two chicks. Seems the ice sheet was so big it took the parent birds too long to get to the sea to find food and bring it back to feed chicks . Ah well another disaster caused by global warming.

  75. cynical1

    sTan was right about the Sistine Chapel.

    I’d never realised before how beautiful a boomerang is.

    The Spitfire drops to three and the Mustang to two.

  76. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The glorious world of socialism’s genderless society
    The making of a male midwife

  77. Shy Ted

    Swallows and Amazons by Arthur Ransome, hark to simpler times.
    Born Free by Joy Adamson. Books and movies of both

  78. Entropy

    I’d never realised before how beautiful a boomerang is.

    The Spitfire drops to three and the Mustang to two.

    Clearly not ranked on efficiency as a killing machine that lives to fight another day.

  79. Senile Old Guy

    Reading suggestions…

    Melina Marchetta: The Lumatere Chronicles.

    Kristin Cashore: The Gracling Realm series.

    Some of the very best YA fantasy I’ve read. On par with Stephen Donaldson, who is on par with Tolkein (and better at characters), and better than David Eddings and others.

  80. Geriatric Mayfly

    What’s this then? Catastrophe around the corner? Some of the Cat’s resident economists might care to illuminate.
    Lured into potential disaster
    Banks are being stress-tested for a 40 per cent property price plunge as tax records reveal frightening investor exposure.
    The Oz

  81. Bruce of Newcastle

    Beery – Likewise Dune-the-movie wasn’t flash but Dune-the-book is awesome.

    Trouble with lefties like Verhoeven is they read books differently from righties. It’s like the recent upsurge in lefties buying and reading Orwell’s 1984. Weird.

  82. OMG. My Twitter Plan B is tough going. When I originally set it up, I just followed primarily Australian politicians.

    Now I get why proportional. Because they have nothing else.

    I can’t troll these idiots and their followers because they are so ignorant of absolutely everything I can’t get past educating them like ten year olds.

    Lots of support for Di Natale’s insinuation that Australia should be single payer. These idiots really believe that money grows on trees, and that politicians can magically fix everything.

    I can only conclude that the purposeful miseducation of children has been a roaring success.

  83. lefties buying and reading Orwell’s 1984.

    They treat it as an instruction manual.

  84. lotocoti

    Clearly not ranked on efficiency as a killing machine that lives to fight another day.

    Nope.
    If we’re talking form and function, the Mozzie, Zero and Bf 109 would fit between two and three.

  85. cohenite

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    #2522636, posted on October 14, 2017 at 7:17 am

    Ideal leftoid couple

    Guardian promotes cuckoldry as a way of life
    ‘We have rules for swinging: no one cheating on their wives, no one who supports Trump’

    I went to a party once where some couple suggested we swing; after I kicked the guy in the cods they changed their mind, go figure.

    My wife said I overreacted, a simple fuck off would have been sufficient. I don’t know, what do people here think?

  86. cynical1

    Clearly not ranked on efficiency as a killing machine that lives to fight another day.

    Meh.

    The boomerang is the supreme example of living to fight another day.

    It always returns home…

  87. marcus classis

    What’s this Woolmark’s Prize thing? Link?

  88. My wife said I overreacted, a simple fuck off would have been sufficient. I don’t know, what do people here think?

    An excellent response, IMO.

    Personally, I would have gone for the headlock and slap on the head for each word in time with “you-don’t-get-to-fuck-my-wife-you-deadshit. Geddit? Now-fuck-off”

  89. marcus classis

    Ooooh…

    The poor ABC darlings. talk about pearl-clutching as their piss soaks their ruffled silk panties – and that’s just the males.

    Merriman failed to treat his ABC superiors with the cringing and grovelling they deserve!

    The horror

  90. lotocoti

    The boomerang is the supreme example …

    Of the dictum:
    A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
    Remove one more element and it’s a stick.

  91. Beery – Likewise Dune-the-movie wasn’t flash but Dune-the-book is awesome.

    Bruce, I should know better.

    For a long time, my most despised movie was 2001 – A Space Odyssey.

    The book was awesome. I imagine that also would have been your cup of tea?

  92. marcus classis

    Cohenite:

    I went to a party once where some couple suggested we swing; after I kicked the guy in the cods they changed their mind, go figure.

    My wife said I overreacted, a simple fuck off would have been sufficient. I don’t know, what do people here think?

    Nope. Good response. Good man.

    He basically thought that you were less than a man, an omega male like him.

    Now he does not.

    Excellent outcome.

  93. The glorious world of socialism’s genderless society
    The making of a male midwife

    I can only imagine that would appeal to wannabe gynos, but I’m certain the theory doesn’t doesn’t live up to the practice!

  94. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2522630, posted on October 14, 2017 at 7:05 am

    I am ignoring the ‘Yes’.

  95. lily

    What has happened to Paul Murray Live?
    I switch it on and have a look at the guest line up, and then I switch it off.
    I think it is time he woke up to the fact that a lot of his dear friends aren’t worth listening to.

  96. Shy Ted

    Got an email from Stephen Marshall, SA Liberal leader this week drawing attention to his energy policy. Subsidies upon subsidies, more storage, all the buzzwords, you know the script. Replied telling him he and his team were A-grade cretins. The stupidity in this state is unbelievable.

  97. stackja

    CFMEU officials caught out in sexist attack
    SHARRI MARKSON, The Daily Telegraph
    31 minutes ago
    A PARADE of some of Australia’s most militant union officials have been caught out in a sexist attack on a senior Turnbull government minister, with the scandal surfacing during a storm over thuggery in the CFMEU.

    A photograph taken this week shows the CFMEU’s national secretary Dave Noonan, Victorian secretary John Setka, deputy secretary Shaun Reardon and organisers Joe Mcdonald and Cam McCullough surrounding a figure who is impersonating one of the most senior women in the Turnbull government, Employment Minister Michaelia Cash and holding a sign that says: “A Big Cash Cow.”

  98. Senile Old Guy

    For a long time, my most despised movie was 2001 – A Space Odyssey.

    The book was awesome. I imagine that also would have been your cup of tea?

    The book and the movie were made together. Wikipedia:

    Kubrick and Clarke planned to develop the 2001 novel first, free of the constraints of film, and then write the screenplay. They planned the writing credits to be “Screenplay by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke, based on a novel by Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick” to reflect their preeminence in their respective fields.[29] In practice, the screenplay developed in parallel to the novel, and elements were shared between both. In a 1970 interview, Kubrick said:

    There are a number of differences between the book and the movie. The novel, for example, attempts to explain things much more explicitly than the film does, which is inevitable in a verbal medium. The novel came about after we did a 130-page prose treatment of the film at the very outset. This initial treatment was subsequently changed in the screenplay, and the screenplay in turn was altered during the making of the film. But Arthur took all the existing material, plus an impression of some of the rushes, and wrote the novel. As a result, there’s a difference between the novel and the film … I think that the divergences between the two works are interesting.[30]

  99. Diogenes

    Re suggestions for books
    Feist The Magician
    Feist & wurts Empire Trilogy

    I remember as a a young lad devouring anyhing i could get my hands on, it took me a week to get through war and peace in grade 7

  100. Megan

    Zyconclast…an oldie but a goodie is The Phantom Tollbooth by Norton Juster. Full of wordplays and puns, it’s underlying theme is the importance of learning. Every kid I’ve read it to or with has laughed right through it. Alan Bradley’s Flavia De Luce series is set the ‘50s and features an 11 yo chemistry prodigy with a passion for poisons. They are written for adults but a nine year old super reader would manage them without too much trouble. Start with The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie….murder and mystery in a quaint English village and a cast of completely quirky, totally human characters who have never heard of political correctness.

  101. stackja

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2522636, posted on October 14, 2017 at 7:17 am

    Roxy Jacenko tells of romance with ex while hubby was in jail
    KRIS CRANE, EXCLUSIVE, The Daily Telegraph
    October 14, 2017 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    ROXY Jacenko caved in to ex-boyfriend Nabil Gazal Jr’s advances while her husband Oliver Curtis was in jail, sparking up a relationship with the millionaire over several months.

    Sydney’s PR queen revealed exclusively to The Saturday Telegraph that “Jr” reached out to her days after her breast cancer diagnosis and the pair rekindled their romance as she endured the “toughest time of her life”.

    After dismissing photos of her kissing her former flame as “a mistake”, Ms Jacenko has come clean on the depths of her romance with the real estate mogul.

  102. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    WATCH: President Trump announces decision on Iran deal

  103. OldOzzie

    PVO – Cormann, Dutton, Frydenberg feel betrayed by Abbott’s sniping

    From the Comments

    Whether the coalition wins or not won’t be due to Tony Abbott talking policy. It will be due to Malcolm Turnbull’s complete ineptitude as leader.

    The electorate is smarter than you think PVO, they can see Malcolm hasn’t got any substance or any ability to lead.

    Turnbull will be gone by Christmas, and it will be Tony Abbott who is reinstalled as leader.</em

    News Flash: Abbott is the only one in step!

    The rest need to pick up the step from Abbott or contribute to the demise of the once respected Liberals.

    Turnbull has been an absolute failure and current policies and negotiations in Parliament represent what one would expect from Leftists, NOT Libs.

    No one jn their right mind would vote for Shorten and his Union thugs, nor their weird Marxist Green nation-destroying allies, at the next Federal election.

    But that does not translate into a vote for the Libs.

    Their are always choices.

    The Libs should prepare to be decimated!

    Tony has clearly got them on the run by the level of vitriol from the left, the media and the rest of the chattering class never mind the weak sops in the Liberal party. Go harder Tony!!

    For a bloke who is a Rhodes scholar , a brilliant barrister, great communicator, and had a Economic Narrative,

    to say Abbott has inconsistencies is proof that he is devoid of any leadership qualities.

    Put forward your case and prove Abbott wrong, can’t do it, just like when he gave us the 6 point plan afew months back.

    No comment from turnbull for three days then follows the opp. leader and attacks his own colleague Pathetic

    But wait he has come up with a plan to solve the energy crisis, it is….

    Pay people Borrowed Money not to use power… Brilliant !!!!! our problems are over , no more power generation, we’ll all get paid , air con, then the stove, then the fridge, then the hot water, then the lights,

    Someone has already turned your Lights off mal

  104. Boambee John

    Zyconoclast at 1224

    Try Arthur Ransome’s Swallows and Amazons series.

    Even has girls in key roles, though written between the wars.

  105. OldOzzie

    Weatherill’s $2m spin on power

    The ombudsman is investigating the Weatherill government for potential maladministration over its controversial decision to spend $2.6 million on an advertising campaign for its $550m energy plan just months from an election.

  106. stackja

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2522690, posted on October 14, 2017 at 8:36 am
    WATCH: President Trump announces decision on Iran deal

    Remarks by President Trump on Iran Strategy

    History has shown that the longer we ignore a threat, the more dangerous that threat becomes. For this reason, upon taking office, I’ve ordered a complete strategic review of our policy toward the rogue regime in Iran. That review is now complete.

    Today, I am announcing our strategy, along with several major steps we are taking to confront the Iranian regime’s hostile actions and to ensure that Iran never, and I mean never, acquires a nuclear weapon.

    Our policy is based on a clear-eyed assessment of the Iranian dictatorship, its sponsorship of terrorism, and its continuing aggression in the Middle East and all around the world.

    Iran is under the control of a fanatical regime that seized power in 1979 and forced a proud people to submit to its extremist rule. This radical regime has raided the wealth of one of the world’s oldest and most vibrant nations, and spread death, destruction, and chaos all around the globe.

    As we have seen in North Korea, the longer we ignore a threat, the worse that threat becomes. It is why we are determined that the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism will never obtain nuclear weapons.

    In this effort, we stand in total solidarity with the Iranian regime’s longest-suffering victims: its own people. The citizens of Iran have paid a heavy price for the violence and extremism of their leaders. The Iranian people long to — and they just are longing, to reclaim their country’s proud history, its culture, its civilization, its cooperation with its neighbors.

    We hope that these new measures directed at the Iranian dictatorship will compel the government to reevaluate its pursuit of terror at the expense of its people.

    We hope that our actions today will help bring about a future of peace, stability, and prosperity in the Middle East –- a future where sovereign nations respect each other and their own citizens.

    We pray for a future where young children — American and Iranian, Muslim, Christian, and Jiwish — can grow up in a world free from violence, hatred, and terror.

    And, until that blessed day comes, we will do what we must to keep America safe.

    Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America. Thank you.

  107. It was a most interesting launch of the Marriage Coalition’s No campaign to hear what is not permitted to be said or broadcast in our national polity.

    Is this on youtube Tinta?

  108. calli

    Great list, Zatara. But not Watership Down. The poor child will lose the will to live.

  109. Gab

    Have to agree with Calli on both, Zatara, Also The Grapes of Wrath is depressing.

    My first favourite book as a kid was Little Women

  110. feelthebern

    No watch dog yesterday ?
    Is Gerard ok?

  111. calli

    How about some light stuff, like Agathas? I read them as a child and after the jaw-dropping denouement I’d re-read to work out how she’d done her sleight of words. Also Mary Stewart’s Hollow Hills series about Merlin. Good, meaty stuff for a young mind.

  112. Bruce of Newcastle

    Beery – I liked both 2001-book and 2001-fillum. Also the original Arthur C. Clark short story which I still have somewhere. The context of the film is important: before 2001 you had the 1950’s and 1960’s science fiction movies which were B grade level. Kubrick broke open a new era in vivid SF. I like the book because it is much more in the style of Arthur C. Clark’s classic SF stories than Kubrick’s movie. I like the movie because it has this amazing atmosphere of space – like Alien had the amazing atmosphere of alienness with Giger’s art.

    My personal quirk is always to read Starship Troopers and The Forever War one after the other. Likewise I like watching 2001 and Star Wars as a double feature since they have such different vibes but come from the same era of SF movie making.

    Interestingly The Forever War has aged much better than Starship Troopers. It’s scary how much some of the story themes in Forever War are coming true.

  113. stackja

    dover_beach
    #2522696, posted on October 14, 2017 at 8:42 am

    I only know of:

    Posted by Coalition for Marriage on October 09, 2017
    More than ten thousand people streamed in to Fairfield Showground yesterday for a Family Festival organised by the Eastern Churches of Australia and backed by the Coalition for Marriage. The large gathering demonstrated the strong support for a ‘no’ vote amongst Australians of ethnic heritage.

  114. Woolfe

    $89 to see Milo in Perth? Hope we get assaulted queuing for entry at this price.

  115. Boambee John

    Shy Ted at 0802

    SNAP!

  116. Gab

    Egypt.

    This morning, Father Samaan Shehata, priest of St. Jules church in #Cairo has been slaughtered by islamists.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41613172

    The “pope” was unavailable for comment.

  117. hzhousewife

    It’s worthwhile for kids to read the original literature of movies like Black Beauty, 101 Dalmations, Railway Children, Rats of NIMH etc. Reading out loud is a good skill for kids to develop, with a little bit of practice she will be better than the news-readers on RN. There are often articles in the daily news suitable for kids to read out loud , stuff about volcanoes and animals pique their interest and add to general knowledge, even reading recipes can start an interest in other countries and agriculture etc.

  118. Senile Old Guy

    More authors? A trio of Australians, all good.

    Emily Rodda: go for those written for the YA market as she also writes for the very young.

    Garth Nix: The Keys to the Kingdom series is mind bending but The Old Kingdom series is very good.

    Matthew Reilly: for thrills and escapist action, with none of that boring character building. As Reilly himself has said, most of his characters do not live long enough for there to be any character building! Eldest, who is a fan, was thrilled to meet him when he was in town and has books autographed at the time. Due to a scheduling mix-up, we got to meet him when there were few others here, so had time to chat. Very nice guy.

  119. A goodly number of them were actually quite happy with the transaction.
    On their back, assume the position, gaze at the ceiling for a number of minutes – in return they get a role that makes them famous, and gives a paycheque of $10 million.

    I think it was Marilyn Munroe who was asked what it meant to her career when she won a Golden Globe Award in 1956. Her reply (paraphrased):
    “It means I’ll never have to suck another fat, sleazy producer’s cock ever again”.

  120. A Lurker

    Young adult/children’s book recommendations:

    Mary Stewart
    Susan Cooper
    C.S. Lewis

  121. The volume and intensity of vitriol directed at Mr Rabbit by the left, indicates, to me, a change in the rankings:

    This weeks top enemies of the left –

    #1 Mr. Rabbit
    #2 Trump
    #3 Pauline

    Another thing to note is that there are probably less than 5 LNP politicians that would make it into the top 500.

  122. Senile Old Guy

    If they are into animals and general hilarity, Gerald Durrell. My Family and Other Animals was a set text when I was in school.

  123. Mitchell Porter

    There was a story in Australian media yesterday, headline an anonymous quote about how Trump hates everyone in the White House, the story saying that his administration won’t survive, and so on.

    It was carried by News.com.au. Basically, it reported on a story at Vanity Fair, by a Gabriel Sherman, who was the journalist nemesis of Roger Ailes, founder of Fox News, now dead.

    Two curious things about this. One is that News Corp is elevating a hit piece by the guy who went after one of their own executives.

    The other: five years ago, even before the Ailes biography, Breitbart ran a piece on Sherman, detailing that he was a recognizable type of New York journalist, on a career path aimed at ending up at an “A-list publication” – such as Vanity Fair.

    Is there any journalistic alternative in Australia, that is on the Drudge Report / Breitbart continuum?

  124. Senile Old Guy

    Diversity:

    Everyone has a story to tell — but in a tweeting era where 140 characters is the limit — is spinning a good yarn becoming a dying art? Darwin creative producer Johanna Bell is on a mission to ensure that it isn’t. She is leading the way by unearthing and promoting local storytelling in the Northern Territory. “In Australia it’s really easy to find middle-aged white blokes that want to tell stories, they’re everywhere. I wanted locals to have a chance to tell their stories, in their way, and sometimes that way is pretty unique.”

    So, locals will “have a chance to tell their stories”…as long as they are not middle-aged and white. Sounds rather racist and ageist to me, but what would I know?

  125. hzhousewife

    What has happened to Paul Murray Live?
    I switch it on and have a look at the guest line up, and then I switch it off.
    I think it is time he woke up to the fact that a lot of his dear friends aren’t worth listening to.

    I agree, they are having the same people on repeating the same points of view over and over, getting boring. However, Peta Credlin telling the lefties that they are full of piss and wind this week was most amusing. These shows are getting boring because of the generalities being repeated, I would like to see more specific fact-filled topics discussed, so that some knowledge was imparted. For example, a NEMWATCH expert would be interesting, taking a snapshot of a coupe of days when the sun shines and doesn’t , or where the wind blows and doesn’t, and explaining the energy flows between states and how the prices of electricity change. A expert in volcanoes would be interesting too, also one on tectonic plates, earthquakes and islands. Most people have little real knowledge of these things yet develop points of view in the vacuum.

  126. stackja

    dover_beach
    #2522709, posted on October 14, 2017 at 9:01 am
    Thanks Stackja.

    Thank you.

  127. C.L.

    Great stuff from Trump re Iran.
    Winning galore.

  128. stackja

    hzhousewife
    #2522718, posted on October 14, 2017 at 9:16 am

    MSM like an echo. Doesn’t upset the ‘people’.

  129. notafan

    Zycon

    Redwall series is not bad.

    Personally I would be hunting out 1960s and 70s Puffin, Faber and Oxford University Press children’s fiction,

    Some like Ronald Welch is expensive but others like Noel Streatfield should be inexpensive secondhand.


    Puffin classics

  130. C.L.

    A Jaguar D-type will be auctioned today in Melbourne.
    Expected to fetch $7-8,000,000.

  131. Tom

    There was a story in Australian media yesterday, headline an anonymous quote about how Trump hates everyone in the White House, the story saying that his administration won’t survive, and so on.

    It was carried by News.com.au. Basically, it reported on a story at Vanity Fair, by a Gabriel Sherman, who was the journalist nemesis of Roger Ailes, founder of Fox News, now dead.

    Like most leftard American journalists within debilitating Trump Derangement, Sherman flat out made the story up, inventing unnamed “sources” and quoting minor shitkickers inside the White House who do not have the ear of the president — the people Trump’s COS, general John Kelly, was advising the press to ignore in his White House briefing yesterday. Vanity Fair is trying to best the Washington Post and CNN as the fake news capitals of America.

    PS: There is no Australian Breitbart, but the Cat is an excellent digest of the least inaccurate local journalism.

  132. notafan

    This guy wrote an excellent book called ‘the read aloud handbook’, which had excellent recommendations for children of all ages.

    All very good for independent reading as well.


    Jim Trelease website

  133. Hydra

    A photograph taken this week shows the CFMEU’s national secretary Dave Noonan, Victorian secretary John Setka, deputy secretary Shaun Reardon and organisers Joe Mcdonald and Cam McCullough surrounding a figure who is impersonating one of the most senior women in the Turnbull government, Employment Minister Michaelia Cash and holding a sign that says: “A Big Cash Cow.”

    How is that sexist?

  134. hzhousewife

    Beery – Likewise Dune-the-movie wasn’t flash but Dune-the-book is awesome.

    And The Black Cloud, and Day of the Triffids !

  135. H B Bear

    An instant classic of bourgeois News Corp ‘conservatism’ …
    In The Australian, Nikki Gemmell:

    The WA version – Cottesloe Barbie (without the virtue signalling). Only one of these is satire.

  136. stackja

    Harry Cohn
    From Wikipedia

    Harry Cohn (July 23, 1891 – February 27, 1958) was the co-founder, president, and production director of Columbia Pictures Corporation.

    Cohn expected, or at least asked for, sex from female stars in exchange for employment (although similar stories were connected to many producers in Hollywood at the time).

    Novak even managed to evade Cohn’s casting couch—considered the most notorious in Hollywood.

  137. stackja

    Tom
    #2522725, posted on October 14, 2017 at 9:34 am

    Old Blair was an excellent digest of the least inaccurate local journalism. Thanks to Sinc the Cat is an excellent digest of the least inaccurate local journalism.

  138. Nick

    Is Palace chook a trannie?

  139. entropy

    Nine year old reader: Master entropy had read the hobbit at nine, then LOTR, but I think LOTR was too old for him. I reckon it diverted him to fantasy video games. Miss Entropy waded through Anne of Green Gables series. Pretty good I suppose. Now she is wasting her time on Harry Potter fan fiction.

    Maybe The Giver, by Lois Lowry? Maybe in a year or so.

    Trouble is with everything modern YA, it tends to be dystopian on the assumption the kids that are readers are outsiders, just like the authors.
    On that note I remember hating having to read THE Outsiders at school. Hated every one of the characters.

  140. Senile Old Guy

    Books: A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle (that’s via Trelease reminding me of it). Truly a classic. Others in the series, not so much. But the sequel was okay.

  141. Rabz

    Sorry, Bear I know absolutely nothing about Cottesloe. However looking through that spacechook page would presumably be far less excruciating than trying to read a Nikki Gemmell piece.

  142. srr

    30+ dead so far in the California wildfires, but not getting coverage because everyone’s finally clicked that like here, they’re caused by decades of Greenie policies designed to burn people alive and drive them out of prime real estate that will then be bought up by those who own and control the Greenies who will then conveniently decide they’ve learned from the past and … ahh, who cares ….

  143. srr

    Kevin W.‏ @kwilli1046 21h21 hours ago

    3 Years Ago, #Obama Praised Bowe Bergdahl.
    On Monday, Bergdahl is expected to Plead Guilty.
    Obama Grand Standing Backfires again.

    https://twitter.com/kwilli1046/status/918647867795017728

  144. Senile Old Guy

    Trouble is with everything modern YA, it tends to be dystopian on the assumption the kids that are readers are outsiders, just like the authors.

    Nope, depends what you pick. I don’t go for dystopian and none of the authors I listed earlier writes that sort of material. It is mostly fantasy because that is some of the best YA writing at the moment.

    If you are looking for recommendations, Good Reads is worth a visit.

  145. The CFMEU thugs in the picture, as an organisation, are ironically one of the biggest supporters of White Ribbon. When a former NSW organiser left NSW after court appearances involving DV against his wife his next stop was working in CFMEU WA. This was reported in the Oz the day after Joe McDonald (WA) gave a well received speech against DV at the Labor conference.

    Setka has a conviction for assaulting a policewoman years ago and Reardon came up in TURC as threatening female ABCC workers. White Ribbon came out in support of their Ambassador saying allegations not proven.

    Interesting to note the number of women in construction has declined. Wonder why ?

    Let’s not forget this weeks news about CFMEU members threatening to rape their work colleagues children. Female Union leaders such as Kearney and McManus put this down to a lack of Uni education and blamed Glencore for the dispute. Naturally Shorten had been to the site to show his support. No need to guess which Union supported Shorten over Albo in the leadership contest.

    Bunch of thugs and hypocrites.

  146. entropy

    Senile Old Guy
    #2522737, posted on October 14, 2017 at 9:48 am
    Books: A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle (that’s via Trelease reminding me of it). Truly a classic. Others in the series, not so much. But the sequel was okay.

    Miss entropy couldn’t get into them TBH. in fact after the first one the rest were rubbish.

  147. Arky

    Senile Old Guy
    #2522715, posted on October 14, 2017 at 9:09 am
    If they are into animals and general hilarity, Gerald Durrell. My Family and Other Animals was a set text when I was in school.

    ..
    Gerald Durrell – very good.
    At that age I also read all the James Herriot books.
    Couldn’t watch the TV series because the actor looked like such a miserable twat.
    Also a few year or two older read Sven Hassel.

  148. stackja

    BrettW
    #2522745, posted on October 14, 2017 at 10:00 am

    Norm Gallagher
    From Wikipedia,

    Builders Labourers Federation
    From Wikipedia

    By 1992-93 the officials, staff and members of the BLF were exhausted, with Gallagher himself in ill-health. Bereft of funds, the BLF was forcibly amalgamated into the CFMEU.

  149. Chris

    Current reading for grown-ups- Detours, a memoir by Tim Rogers.
    Unputdownable. I don’t want it to end. Takes in a wide vista of Oz, current and bygone, and paints it gently and brilliantly, with touchingly honest self-examination too.
    It’d have to be a big tip for one of the State or Fed prizes for literature. If you see it on the shelves, ignore the wanky blurb from Don Walker- I can’t recommend it enough.

    I look forward to it!

    My unputdownable: RED NOTICE by Bill Browder. IT’S REAL. This is what resulted in the Magnitsky Act, and is behind the WussiaWussiaWussia craziness in America.

  150. struth

    Darwin creative producer Johanna Bell is on a mission

    I don’t have to look the stupid bint up to know she’s receiving stolen money (taxes) from middle aged white men.

    Don’t you just know it already?
    We must stop funding these racist white moles.

    Anyway busy weekend of gigs but raining here which will effect numbers.

    Must go.
    I start at midday til 4 so I’ll get to the pub at 11 to set up.

    Bloody too early for musos!
    But great for us older ones.

  151. stackja

    My 1940s-1950s books first read to me and later read by me were probably non-PC.

  152. egg_

    Leftoid heads must be close to explosion with Abbott’s words in the International circuit stating the cold hard reality of Energy supply vs the Enviro-religion.
    Panels on their ABC in grief over surety of Energy supply under ‘Nimbin wind chimes’.
    Democracy good and hard this Summer, Aunty.

  153. Arky

    Senile Old Guy
    #2522715, posted on October 14, 2017 at 9:09 am
    If they are into animals and general hilarity, Gerald Durrell. My Family and Other Animals was a set text when I was in school.

    ..

    Gerald Durrell – very good.
    At that age I also read all the James Herriot books.
    Couldn’t watch the TV series because the actor looked like such a miserable twat.
    Also a few year or two older read Sven Hassel.

  154. Chris

    Now she is wasting her time on Harry Potter fan fiction.

    Do yourself a favour: Its considerably better than Harry Potter itself, I think.
    Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

  155. egg_

    The argument now made forcefully by Abbott — despite almost universally deceptive mockery from the ABC, Canberra press gallery and wider media/political class — is stark and intellectually incontestable:

    The MSM are so entrenched CNN-like in their ridiculous position that they are reduced to mockery of Abbott666 as per that of Trump666 as they huddle with their blanky in a corner.

  156. Senile Old Guy

    Books: A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle (that’s via Trelease reminding me of it). Truly a classic. Others in the series, not so much. But the sequel was okay.

    Miss entropy couldn’t get into them TBH. in fact after the first one the rest were rubbish.

    I like #2 in the series but didn’t care for them after that. But that don’t make them rubbish. There are books (and movies) which I can agree are well done but I just do not like them.

    But one author I left out is Andre Norton, prolific writer of fantasy and science fiction for YA before the genre even existed.

  157. So 26, no answer on whether you have ever known the touch of a good woman? I will assume not, then.

  158. notafan

    For classic Australian authors try Nan Chauncy, Hesba or Heba? Brinsmead, Mary Patchett, Elyne Mitchell, Colin Thiele and Ivan Southall (who also wrote an excellent book about Australian bomb desposal working in London iirc in wwIi)

    Non Aussie Willard Price, Paul Gallico’s Jennie and Thomasina, the Doctor Syn series.

    Am still waiting for the DVD release of The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh based on the Doctor Syn books.

    The quality of the writing back in the day leaves modern progressive tosh written to please school book list setters in the dust.

  159. egg_

    Turnbull is crab-walking towards some kind of compromise

    Isn’t that Lord sTumble’s position on everything – make a grand announcement – backfire – compromise?

  160. notafan

    We should have a thread or link for children’s book recommendations, comes up regularly.

  161. OneWorldGovernment

    OldOzzie

    Thank you for providing links.

    I’m in a remote o/s location with a very slow internet connection so much appreciated.

    Also to Tom for the 4am cartoon links.

  162. egg_

    Julie Bishop keep insisting we must still stick to the Paris Agreement to cut our emissions –

    On the deck of RMS Titanic to the gurrly Cabinet cheers of “brilliant idea”?

  163. Snoopy

    Monty’s seemingly turned into a poofter version of Weinstein. At least he has the ‘physique’ to plausibly carry it off.

  164. egg_

    So 26, no answer on whether you have ever known the touch of a good woman?

    Bad girls root harder?

  165. Marcus

    Maybe the wrong time of the day but…
    I know a 9-year-old girl who can read at 13 yo level but most of the modern books at this age level consist of broken families, drug addicted/alcoholic parents, criminal siblings, mental disorders or any combination of this or worse.
    One example is one of 12 yo con-joined twins with an unemployed, drunk father, recently unemployed mother, who has to sell their life story to reality TV, the twins have to attend public school for the first time because the mother lost her job. They are bullied at school the only friends the twins can find a druggie boy, an HIV positive girl called Yassmin, and a boy who lives alone in an abandoned building. They skip school and experiment with drink and drugs.
    The book is considered brave and inspirational.
    I think it would be depressing and suicidal.
    She has read all the ones that are not like this.
    Anyone have any ideas of not historical fiction that might suit her?

    When I was around that age, my reading consisted of Biggles books, Willard Price’s “Adventure” tales starring Hal and Roger Hunt (they were a lot of fun, especially the ones set in Africa), Redwall books, and a similar (but much shorter) series called The Welkin Weasles. The latter was quite fun because it made the weasels the good guys while Redwall always cast them as the villains – even the stoats were morally neutral.

  166. Marcus

    Or you could just get her a giant stack of Asterix comics. Those were great too.

  167. stackja

    notafan
    #2522763, posted on October 14, 2017 at 10:24 am
    We should have a thread or link for children’s book recommendations, comes up regularly.

    Ask Sinc.

    About
    Catallaxy’s current Editor-in-chief and administrator is Sinclair Davidson. Email him, if you must, at Sinclair Davidson (as one word) at gmail. Don’t forget to add the .com at the end.

  168. Marcus

    For classic Australian authors try Nan Chauncy, Hesba or Heba? Brinsmead, Mary Patchett, Elyne Mitchell, Colin Thiele and Ivan Southall (who also wrote an excellent book about Australian bomb desposal working in London iirc in wwIi)

    The Nargun and the Stars, by Patricia Wrightson.

    This thread is turning into quite the stroll down memory lane!

  169. OneWorldGovernment

    Not sure the interest of a 9yo child but some of Isaac Asimov’s writing could be interesting.

    His stories about robots and the 3 laws may have relevance.

    I particularly liked his ‘Foundation Trilogy’ though he did follow up with other ‘Foundation’ books that got a tad hysteric but eventually tied his Robot books into the whole universe he created.

  170. Senile Old Guy

    Gerald Durrell – very good.
    At that age I also read all the James Herriot books.
    Couldn’t watch the TV series because the actor looked like such a miserable twat.

    Yes, Herriot is good. I liked the TV series and the actor did a reasonable take on Herriot and Robert Hardy was very good as Siegried. Peter Davison did a good Tristan, before he went off to become the Doctor.

    Non Aussie Willard Price, Paul Gallico’s Jennie and Thomasina, the Doctor Syn series.

    I enjoyed Willard Price but many would not.

    The quality of the writing back in the day leaves modern progressive tosh written to please school book list setters in the dust.

    Please! Not more “it was better back then”! Some of the books written for the YA market are some of the finest writing I have ever read; and I have read a very large number of books. And some of the “writing back in the day” was formulaic tosh written to please adult sensibilities and not the intended market.

  171. srr

    Las Vegas Shooting Update – October 13th Press Conference (Video)…
    Posted on October 13, 2017 by sundance

    An overly emotional Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo, together with FBI special agent Aaron Rouse, held a press conference today delivering further information on the 1 October Mandalay Bay Massacre. (Video Below) New details on the timeline and sequence of events were shared but no questions were taken.

    According to the latest information the “Check-In” date for shooter Stephen Paddock was confirmed as September 25th. A subsequent change in the hotel room registry on Sept 28th placed the registration of the room in the name of Paddocks girlfriend, Marilou Danley. The suite was occupied by Paddock from 9/25 throughout, with only the registration name changing on 9/28 to Danley.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/mandalay-bay-shooting-18.jpg

    Additionally, during a very defensive explanation, Sheriff Lombardo attempted to provide further clarification on the timeline and sequence of events.

    Lombardo states that security guard Jesus “Jose’” Campos responded to the report of a blocked stairwell door at 9:59pm. After not being able to open the emergency door at 9:59pm (from the stairwell side) Campos then walked around to the front of the exit door on the 32nd floor and arrived at 10:05pm, that’s when he encountered nearby the Paddock suite door slightly ajar and Paddock began shooting at Campos.

    This establishes the beginning time for the first shots at 10:05pm and reconciles Mandalay Bay reporting with LVMPD reporting. After responding to radio and cell phone calls from Campos, additional security and police arrived 12 minutes later at 10:17pm. When police and armed hotel security arrived on the 32nd floor, responding to the calls from Campos, there was silence. Sheriff Lombardo then stating all shooting of the crowd took place between 10:05pm and 10:15pm.

    *Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/13/las-vegas-shooting-update-october-13th-press-conference-video/

  172. entropy

    How about The Scarlet Pimpernel for a young reader?

  173. areff

    the first book I remember “reading” began thus:

    Tiger Tim belonged to Mr Bingo’s circus. No one seemed to know why…

    Makes me think of Tiger Tony in Mr Turnbulb’s circus and why he is still there.

  174. So 26, no answer on whether you have ever known the touch of a good woman? I will assume not, then.

    A gentleman sees no need to answer such a question.

  175. Senile Old Guy

    I particularly liked his ‘Foundation Trilogy’ though he did follow up with other ‘Foundation’ books that got a tad hysteric but eventually tied his Robot books into the whole universe he created.

    I started reading Asimov in the ’70s (from memory). The Foundation Trilogy books were written as a series of connected novellas for publication in the SF magazines but were written so that they could then be published as books. Asimov was a canny author. I wouldn’t say they got “hysteric” but they did get rather long winded and talky. The other element to the books was that some were genuine SF mysteries, which “played fair” with the reader.

  176. notafan

    Interesting essay, the problem I have with it is the presumption of power,why must it always be the male in the equation(though the author does not explicitly say the male), if both parties have been drinking then why is one more responsible for ‘unwanted sex’ than the other ?

    Another Hurrah! for the sexual revolution.

    Rapists are aided by the prevalence of rape-adjacent sex—that is, sex that isn’t legally rape, in that consent is not withheld; but consent is not secured, either. For instance, sex with someone you don’t know well enough to tell whether they’re just tipsy, or too drunk to consent. Sex with someone whose “Well . . . okay” you aren’t sufficiently familiar with to distinguish coyness from fearful acquiescence.


    First Things on Mr Weinstein, How vulgarity normalizes predators

  177. egg_

    Yet Peter van Onselen suggests Abbott must shut up just to help the career prospects of some Liberal MPs – as if this government isn’t going over a cliff anyway:

    “Just ignore that iceberg on the horizon – global warming will melt it anyway”?

  178. H B Bear

    Sorry, Bear I know absolutely nothing about Cottesloe.

    Cottesloe is Perth’s Brighton. Not sure there is a pure Sydney equivalent. When you are too poor to live in Peppermint Grove or simply prefer the ocean. Also scene of the long running saga of the Indiana Teahouse public toilets.

  179. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I read everything I could find then.

    Me too, living away from Oz temporarily with my nana in England aged eleven to twelve. My nana was a charlady for the local Anglican Canon (like her, he was Welsh) and she got a small Church apartment cheaply as part of the deal (she was carer for my Grandad who had Parkinson’s disease). Opposite was an antique booksellers, run by a gloriously different older lady called Max, a ‘spinster’, said my nana knowingly as Max took off regularly for London to see her friend Beatrice. Max wore droopy black clothing and an absolutely huge string of amber beads. She took a shine to the thin little waif from Australia that I was then. I used to talk to her in her shop on my way out to walk Peter, our dog, who once lifted his leg against one of her precious volumes. She knew I loved to read and that Nana had no books, so she told me about the local library, and she gave me some books she had. So I read Carlo Callodi’s ‘Pinocchio’ and Frances Hodgson Barnet’s ‘The Secret Garden’ and ‘Little Lord Fauntleroy’, and others of similar vintage. They took me into another world, back in time, and I loved them. The bad people were bad, the foolish people always saw the error of their ways, and the good people always won out. Every book had a strong moral message about how you should be. Oh, and I also read ‘Black Beauty’ and wept buckets over a horse.

    Living in chaos and adjusting to ‘diversity’, or feeling resentful, just didn’t come into it.
    Then I discovered Tolkien and Douglas Adams and hitched a ride in different galaxies.
    And found that people wrote some excellent books about women in history who were amazing.

    Give a very young adolescent girl who loves to read a wide range of books from all eras and in various genres, not just current-day pap written for her age group. I won’t add that she might end up like me, because that could put you right off. But I will say that she will definitely enjoy the journey. 🙂

  180. egg_

    Leftoid heads must be close to explosion with Abbott’s words in the International circuit stating the cold hard reality of Energy supply vs the Enviro-religion.
    Panels on their ABC in grief over surety of Energy supply under ‘Nimbin wind chimes’.
    Democracy good and hard this Summer, Aunty.

    Aunty’s ‘solution’ seems to be in line with Lord sTumble’s threat: Nationalise the gas industry – Venestralia, here we come.
    A dog washing* service industry lead recovery?

    *Enviro-friendly recycled water?

  181. notafan

    Some of the books written for the YA market are some of the finest writing I have ever read; and I have read a very large number of books.

    I grant the formulaic but then they were not published by Puffin, Faber and Oxford, the only publishers I recommended.

    “Some” is what percentage?

    I should have been more specific, as I was really referring to the Australian market where literary grants and awards are handed willy nilly to the right kind of people and we get the kind of children’s books we deserve.

    I enjoyed x but many would not could and should be said about every book ever written. No one has exactly the same taste, no-one.

    My point is that the standard of writing has fallen, in exactly the same way our education standards have fallen, I suspect one has to do with the other.

    Nothing to do with good old days, per se.

  182. egg_

    Looks like I’ve stumbled into the (last) First Tuesday Book Club.

  183. Pope Francis: revise catechism to show death penalty is ‘inadmissible’:

    Marking the 25th anniversary of the Catechism of the Catholic Church at the Vatican on October 11, Pope Francis said the catechism’s discussion of the death penalty, already formally amended by St John Paul II, needs to be even more explicitly against capital punishment.

    Capital punishment, he said, “heavily wounds human dignity” and is an “inhuman measure.”

    “It is, in itself, contrary to the Gospel, because a decision is voluntarily made to suppress a human life, which is always sacred in the eyes of the Creator and of whom, in the last analysis, only God can be the true judge and guarantor,” the Pope said.

    This fella is a schismatic. You cannot argue against CP without arguing against Scripture and Tradition.

    The Church’s position on the death penalty, he said, is one example of how Church teaching is not static, but grows and deepens along with a growth in faith and in response to modern questions and concerns.

    Sorry, but positions the Church has explicitly promoted and defended are indeed static because the truth itself does not change. You are not growing and deepening any position but the converse, opposing and undermining.

  184. Bruce of Newcastle

    While on young adults’ SF&F an older author who may not be so well known is John Christopher. I haven’t read all his stuff but these would be suitable:

    The Lotus Caves
    The Tripods trilogy
    Sword of the Spirits trilogy

    Long, long time since I’d read them so I can’t say how well they stand up in this decade. Amazon appears to have them in Kindle except for Lotus Caves which is paperback.

  185. Boambee John

    Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series.

    There is always an in-joke. Our son was surprised at the end of Monstrous Regiment to discover that all the soldiers were women. Hadn’t heard the saying “Monstrous regiment of wimmin”!

  186. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Looks like I’ve stumbled into the (last) First Tuesday Book Club.

    Time spent, encouraging young children to read, is never wasted.

  187. A gentleman sees no need to answer such a question.

    26 has demonstrated many times that he is no gentleman.

  188. Bear Necessities

    Actually PVO articulates the issue very well even though it is inadvertently.

    Too many LNP politicians care about their “careers” in parliament instead of the outcomes generated for constituents. Actually it is very sad if true that these “men” have these attitudes towards Abbott.

  189. areff

    When my lad was about 12 I gave him Philip Jose Farmer’s SF book, To Your Scattered Bodies Go, which imagines an engineered world in which every human who ever existed is reincarnated on a planet around which a river winds from pole to pole, rather like the peel of a shaved apple. The characters are all historical figures — Richard Francis Burton of Nile fame quite predictably takes charge of an expedition to follow the river to its source and find out what the aliens who created this world are up to. Mark Twain, Goering, Pushkin all figure, as do scores of other well- and lesser-known ex-humans.

    Anyway, it worked. Junior then started reading about the real Burton and Speke and today can still recite bits of Pushkin.

    At school, however, the reading lists were all SJW to one degree or another. When he was 12, as I recall, one of his books detailed the struggle of a boy with a hair lip to become a ballet dancer. Give boys blood, war, Huns in the sun etc and you make readers of them. Put the hero in a leotard, not so much.

  190. Boambee John

    Also Arthur Upfield’s Napoleon Bonaparte series and Ellis Peters’ medieval crime stories set on the Welsh borderlands (Peters is actually a woman). There is another medieval crime series set in London. Brother Athelstan is the “detective”, but I can’t recall the author.

  191. notafan

    I still enjoy John Christopher

    Wouldn’t bother with Amazon, readily available in Oz, in paperback.

    Asterix, Tin Tin, Lucky Luke and lots more obscure French (Belgian) comic books are great when you can find English translations, the French children’s (and adult) book market seems to specialize in the large format comic style, wish we had more of them.

    I’d much rather see children seeking out older half forgotten authors than being pushed into reading books for adults just because they are good readers.

    Sharks one day, books the next.

  192. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2522760, posted on October 14, 2017 at 10:21 am
    So 26, no answer on whether you have ever known the touch of a good woman? I will assume not, then.

    Looking for someone to share your more exotic fantasies with?

  193. notafan

    The medieval mystery is an entertaining sub genre.

    Ellis Peters, Candice Robb, Michael Jecks, Peter Tremayne, A E Marston are just a few of the authors than inhabit that market.

  194. entropy

    the TV mini sire adaptation of the Scarlet Pimpernel with a young Jane Seymour and Anthony Hopkins was awesome .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01i19qog8Pw

    and then there is the awesome put down of the revolutionary leaders:

    “sink me, everyone is so equal in your society no one wants to do the driving anymore…. monstrously ill dressed” a devastating assessment of the economic outcomes of socialism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtAM7YDap6o
    “I am a bit of a poet, and you…did not know it.”

  195. areff

    Conan Doyle’s The White Company also went down well, and a few years later Sharp’s Waterloo won the fruit of my loin’s admiration. Downside: a 12-year-old “expert” on column vs line, who imagined his interlocutors had never heard of the topic. Smile. Nod. Let the junior solon rabbit on. It’s the formation of a working brain you’re watching, and that’s a wonderful thing.

  196. notafan

    Conan Doyle’s The White Company

    is on my desk, had no idea what it was about but now might hand off to my adult daughter who is very hard to please, book wise 🙂

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Give boys blood, war, Huns in the sun etc and you make readers of them. Put the hero in a leotard, not so much.

    Well said – I introduced the next generation to Bernard Cornwall , Robert Heinlein, and John Scalzi. I did point them in the direction of a very good account of the sinking of the “Titanic”, after they’s seen the film. They did struggle a bit with the concept of “women and children first”, and the concept of gentlemen changing into evening dress, knowing there would be no room in the boats, but it did serve to make the point that you can’t look at past events with today’s values.

  198. areff

    Don’t know if it would suit a full-grown gal, Nota, but as my father told the headmaster when I was caught reading a (not so) dirty book, “In Praise of Older Women”, it doesn’t matter what a kid reads just so long as he/she is reading. The headmaster still didn’t give the book back to me, though but.

  199. notafan

    Just saw this snippet from the Australian

    The ombudsman is investigating the Weatherill government for potential maladministration over its controversial decision to spend $2.6 million on an advertising campaign for its $550m energy plan just months from an election.

    It is amazing how some people, who no doubt complain if their local caf puts up the price of coffee by 30c throw around millions of dollars like handfuls of confetti, and to even less effect.

    Get out of it Weatherill and let the market decide, you spendthrift buffoon.

  200. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2522795, posted on October 14, 2017 at 10:56 am
    A gentleman sees no need to answer such a question.

    26 has demonstrated many times that he is no gentleman

    Nor would a gentleman ask.

  201. calli

    A nine year old needs a good dose of ripping yarns, and there are plenty mentioned up thread.

    Just don’t stray onto Denley Moor without an umbrella.

  202. Dave in Marybrook

    Discworld is composed of in-jokes, stitching together some excellent satire. I think more laughs out loud might be had from an older reader. Same for good omens.
    I’d be a bit careful putting Donaldson and Feist in front of a pre-adolescent girl- I remember they’re a bit bodice-ripper with the powerful males taking what they can. Same for Janny Wurtz- although I loved them, and they were impressively original (I read a lot of F/SF) the girl reader can wait for her teens surely?Remember Zyco’s girl reads at 13yo, but is only 9.

  203. H B Bear

    Is Weatherdill a symptom or a cause of Mainland Tasmania? Discuss with reference to lesbianism.

  204. calli

    Thanks from me for all the suggestions – I too have an 8 year old who is reading four years ahead of the school texts. Fortunately the school isn’t full bore SJW, and his mother stands ever vigilant on the ramparts in case they slip up.

    And, mercifully, book vouchers have now replaced a gift of crippling Lego.

  205. Davey Boy

    SFFP as favourites in Cootamundra go you good thing

  206. notafan

    Thankyou areff, she is a sweet girl with a tender heart and not inclined to trash reading which is a large part of the women’s market today, it is hard to find authors she enjoys.

    Margaret Attwood to Jennifer Weiner do not interest me or her.

    As for the Tuesday Book Club stuff , I am so disinclined to read anything recommended by such peoples.

  207. Bruce in WA

    Christmas decorations banned in Cardwell QLD

    No, a hoax, actually.

  208. Chris

    “In Praise of Older Women”

    That was a VERY educational book.
    Look for the devastatingly effective pickup tale, and the creative adaptation to socialist privation.

  209. egg_

    Is Weatherdill a symptom or a cause of Mainland Tasmania? Discuss with reference to lesbianism.

    Has Weatherdill ever plugged a dyke with his digit?

  210. Bruce in WA

    SFFP as favourites in Cootamundra go you good thing

    Indeed! I still think the Nats will take it, but there will be some surreptitious undie changing going on before then.

    Cootamundra By-Election
    Market courtesy of sportsbet.com.au
    $1.60 Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party
    $2.50 National Party
    $10 Outdoor Recreation Party
    $12 Labor
    $26 Christian Democrats
    $101 Greens
    $501 Socialist Alliance

  211. Chris

    Just don’t stray onto Denley Moor without an umbrella.

    Or Ilkley Moor bar t’at

  212. egg_

    Get out of it Weatherill and let the market decide, you spendthrift buffoon.

    Whoever got the tard onto windmills needs shooting.

    /NADT

  213. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Has Weatherdill ever plugged a dyke with his digit?

    He was playing mummies and daddies with that Wong chap……….

  214. Tel

    The Nargun and the Stars, by Patricia Wrightson.

    Back when people were worried about the coming glaciation, before CAGW got cranked up.

  215. Gab

    I can’t recall this current “pope” ever condemning abortion. Has he?

  216. Chris

    SFFP as favourites in Cootamundra go you good thing

    Indeed! I still think the Nats will take it, but there will be some surreptitious undie changing going on before then.

    Whoever gets it, if the Country Members learned to stand up against the vile excesses of political correctness instead of going all Hollywood on Malcolm Turnstein and Their ABC it would still be a good outcome.

  217. Snoopy

    Has Weatherdill ever plugged a dyke with his digit?

    He was playing mummies and daddies with that Wong chap……….

    So no remotely conclusive evidence then?

  218. notafan

    I can’t recall this current “pope” ever condemning abortion. Has he?

    He certainly did as an Archbishop in Argentina

  219. notafan

    Often faulted by critics as not being sufficiently clear when it comes to the Church’s negative judgment on abortion, Pope Francis on Sunday couldn’t have been more firm in calling it a “very grave sin” and a “horrendous crime.”
    “I was thinking on the attitude of sending the kids back before they’re born, this horrendous crime, they send them back because it’s better like that, because it’s more comfortable, it’s a great responsibility- a very grave sin,” Francis said.


    Pope Francis calls abortion ‘horrendous crime’ and ‘very grave sin’

  220. zyconoclast

    4 hours online with a Microsoft tech so I miss out on first place

    Did you call them? If not sounds like a good scam.

    I contacted them. It took 4 technicians and a supervisor to take turns until the problem was sorted.
    Anyone who calls me claiming to be MS, Apple, Telstra etc gets a very short repose.

  221. Swedish Dentist …

    Customer: Could I have some deodorant please?

    Swedish Pharmicist: Baaall or Aaarisol?

    Customer: Neither. Is is for under my arms.

  222. Gab

    Thanks, Notafan. At least he hasn’t changed doctrine on that issue.

  223. zyconoclast

    Thanks for the great book lists people.

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