Wednesday Forum: October 18, 2017

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  1. Snoopy

    NFL suicides!

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 6m6 minutes ago
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    The NFL has decided that it will not force players to stand for the playing of our National Anthem. Total disrespect for our great country!

  2. C.L.

    Here is a video the Male Champions of Change invite you to watch …
    Just look at these hen-pecked toss pots:

  3. Infidel Tiger

    Male champions of change: Bruce Jenner.

  4. Pedro the Ignorant

    Godalmighty. I just watched that video Champions of Change.

    A pack of shrieking harridans, beta males an poofters talking in tongues.

    I may go out and get drunk.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thanks Rabz and ZK2A.

    I suspect Leanne’s a newbie.

    Left with that feeling.

    FWIW, I thought the story of the reinforced glass at the Lindt Cafe was a furphy, and competent snipers could have put Man Moris down?

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I may go out and get drunk.

    Race you down the boozer.

  7. Boambee John

    It was that as a soldier in a hot fighting war, you would only be limited and rendered ineffective by worrying about getting killed.

    Mickey Martin, one of the wilder men of Bomber Command, wrote to the effect that he regarded each day as a bonus. He spent all his pay as he received it, saving nothing because saving implied a future he was not able to consider if he was to be effective at his duties.

    When he wasn’t partying between sorties, he and his crew were working on their aircraft (eg, polishing all perspex to minimise the chance of missing seeing a night fighter, chaecing internal equipment) or training, on the ground and in the air.

    He was described by one historian as in 1945 being almost unique amongst his pre-war RAF colleagues: he was alive and still flying.

  8. squawkbox

    Here is a video the Male Champions of Change invite you to watch …
    Just look at these hen-pecked toss pots:

    Painful. You can almost see Mr Red-Tie’s Mrs Proudie-like wife just off-camera wagging her finger at him. As for the rest, someone should take them aside and whisper “Grow up, whatever you say none of those crop-headed harridans will resolve your mommy issues by sleeping with you”.

  9. Boambee John

    Ot sure how Spellwreck made checking into chaecing!

  10. Snoopy

    I just watched that video Champions of Change.

    I just watched the first minute or so. Excellent editing. I loved the cutaway to Alan Joyce after the discussion on push back. Inspired.

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mickey Martin, one of the wilder men of Bomber Command,

    Royal Australian Air Force, and the Dam Busters. Retired as an Air Marshall in the early 1970’s.

  12. Boambee John

    FFS. Not became Ot!

  13. Boambee John

    Air Marshal Sir Harold Brownlow Morgan “Micky” Martin, KCB, DSO & Bar, DFC & Two Bars, AFC (27 February 1918 – 3 November 1988) was an Australian bomber pilot and senior commander in the Royal Air Force (RAF).

    Zulu

    Australian, but an officer of the RAF, not RAAF. Just as Coningham was a New Zealander, but served in the RAF. Both regular officers.

    Air Marshal Sir Arthur “Mary” Coningham, KCB, KBE, DSO, MC, DFC, AFC[1] (19 January 1895 – presumably 30 January 1948) was a senior officer in the Royal Air Force. During the First World War, he was at Gallipoli with the New Zealand Expeditionary Force, was discharged in New Zealand as medically unfit for active service, and journeyed to Britain at his own expense to join the Royal Flying Corps, where he became a flying ace. Coningham was later a senior Royal Air Force commander during the Second World War, as Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief 2nd Tactical Air Force

  14. I think in these scenarios you need to know what was said before and after and the “context”, the feeling of the conversation, if you like. A phrase taken out of that and examined clinically is different to how/what was spoken in a serious and emotional conversation. Because they are just words. It is the “vibe” that counts here.

    Fair call, candy. We will most likely never know.

    Given his body of rhetorical work, though, odds are he didn’t handle it with finesse.

  15. Splatacrobat

    C.L.
    #2526934, posted on October 18, 2017 at 10:15 pm
    Here is a video the Male Champions of Change invite you to watch …
    Just look at these hen-pecked toss pots:

    It’s not enough to apply a corrosive substance to the outside of reinforced concrete. You need to get it inside the structure like saltwater attacking the reo bar through a crack and rusting it out from within. Engaging men is simply the latest tactic used to topple the structure of perceived patriarchy. The other way of looking at it is that they hope to groom enough Judas goats so there is an orderly transition at the “give up your job for a women” slaughterhouse.

    It’s not about equality, it’s about power, that’s why they target “top jobs” and boards.

  16. cohenite

    FMD:

    .L.

    #2526934, posted on October 18, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    Here is a video the Male Champions of Change invite you to watch …
    Just look at these hen-pecked toss pots:

    The more merit there is in an organisation the more gender inequality there is says diane smith gander who appears to have washed her hair in Worcestershire sauce. No wonder this country is stuffed.

    And martin Parkinson, head of turdball’s office is both insane and typifies why turdball is what he is, whatever that is.

  17. Joe

    FFS. Not became Ot!

    Turn It OFF!. Or at least only allow it to check not correct.
    It’s about as intelligent as Daffy Duck attempting to tune an explosive shell with a hammer.

  18. Snoopy

    Rake time!

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    Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Australian, but an officer of the RAF, not RAAF.

    Thanks for sorting that one – I ‘d have sworn he was R.A.A.F.

  20. And martin Parkinson, head of turdball’s office is both insane and typifies why turdball is what he is, whatever that is.

    Careful, Cohenite. You’re talking about the most powerful person in Australia today, responsible – at least in part – for just about every rotten thing wrong in this country. If he is serving on this committee it wasn’t created simply as a talk-fest. There will be a covert purpose of major import.

  21. max

    Just reading about Richard Burton the 19th C explorer.

    As is well known, he wrote much about the sexual customs of different regions in Africa, the Muslim world, and India.

    He developed a theory that homosexuality flourished naturally in certain geographical areas of the world. There was a geographical band that stretched around the globe in which homoism was more or less endemic, and outside those regions it was sporadic. Portugal, Spain, N. Africa, S. France, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Persia, China and S. America were places where sodomy ‘came so naturally’. He was writing in the early 1880s and lacked the enlightened insights that come from postal surveys. How blessed we are.

  22. rickw

    Trump just told a Gold Star widow that it was her husband’s fault she is a widow. Classy.

    You’re a fucking stupid piece of shit munty.

  23. twostix

    That old hag Wilkinson will murder the Project.

    Millennials and young Gen-x’ers do not want to be reminded of their old shrew future.

  24. Splatacrobat

    Gadzooks! I saw Chris Uhlmann doing a story on A Current Affair on par with Mike Munro chasing dodgy washing machine repairmen up the street.
    They must be laughing their arses off down at ABC over that career move from the Ultimo sheltered workshop. I thought Laurie Oakes had passed his mantle onto to Uhlmann as Nine’s Chief political reporter?

  25. Zatara

    Deadly ambush in Niger could be Trump’s ‘Benghazi’: Democrat Frederica Wilson

    “This could turn out to be another Benghazi and I have asked for an investigation”

    Breaking news: Democrats finally admit that Americans died in Benghazi because they weren’t properly supported by Obama and Clinton.

    Bet she got an earful for that little stunt. What a moron.

  26. twostix

    Poor m0nty.

    Nothing’s going right for you anymore.

  27. AMA national president Michael Gannon escalates against Victorian branch.

    Doesn’t this clown use emotional stories when flogging SS’M’ such as Yes likely lowering the rate of teenage suicide.

  28. twostix

    Democrats, fresh from protecting Weinstein are quickly sending the low level ladies out to suicide bomb Trump.

  29. Muzzlehatch

    Zatara
    #2526979, posted on October 18, 2017 at 11:31 pm

    “This could turn out to be another Benghazi and I have asked for an investigation”

    Bet she got an earful for that little stunt. What a moron.

    Good of her to to rescue it from the memoryhole.
    “We came. we saw. he died”

  30. Monty and the Left’s attempt to attack Trump using a dead soldier as a sword and his widow as a shield has to be one of the most desperate and despicable attacks this year. Scum and lees.

  31. rickw

    Operation Pantograph* took place late last night and in the early hours of this morning. The training run was designed to test the efficacy of the NSW Police’s “active armed offender’’ training program, which teaches street-level police military-style weapons tactics.

    Active Armed Offender? How is this a credible scenario in the gun free utopia of arsetralia?

    Can the Cats put forward a proposal to act as the Aggressors at the next Police Pantomime? I think it would be a very interesting experience……. for the police.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Following on from Memory Vault’s suggestion.

  33. Infidel Tiger

    Doesn’t this clown use emotional stories when flogging SS’M’ such as Yes likely lowering the rate of teenage suicide.

    Yes he does.

    He’s also an abortion fanatic.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Can the Cats put forward a proposal to act as the Aggressors at the next Police Pantomime? I think it would be a very interesting experience……. for the police.

    I doubt that New South Wales Police force would survive the expeience.

    “Um, Sarge what does “Kak and betaal est die wet van die Transvaal.” mean.”

    Bloke here in a wheelchair. Says his name”s “Memory Vault.”

    “Lady here, says she’s a Kitteh, we can’t touch her!”

    “Sarge, they keep talking about the “Doomlord.” My resignation will be on your desk in the morning. I always said we weren’t paid enough!

  35. FFS I grew up in Seymour, I know all about army families. Save your pomposity.

    Trump keeps on hinting that he records his own convos. Mueller will be interested in that. Most likely lying, as usual.

  36. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    FFS I grew up in Seymour, I know all about army families. Save your pomposity.

    Well then you should have some fvking idea about the bargain you make when you sign on. Save your own pomposity, and have another do nut.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Only got the headline from the Oz, but apparently a leaked poll shows that Nick Xenophon is preferred Premier of South Australia. They deserve everything they get…

  38. FFS I grew up in Seymour, I know all about army families. Save your pomposity.

    Oh well, at least we tried, Zulu. But I fear Monty will still be Monty once nightly blackouts are the norm, gangs take over the streets, and “persons unknown” come out to keep them under control.

    Such is the future.

    Bed beckons.

  39. once nightly blackouts are the norm, gangs take over the streets, and “persons unknown” come out to keep them under control.

    Such is the future.

    You’re talking about the lizard people, aren’t you MV. Always the lizard people with you.

  40. You’re talking about the lizard people, aren’t you MV.
    Always the lizard people with you.

    So, you you’ve been studying “Shifting the Goalposts 101” under JC and Dot, I see, Monty.
    Unfortunately I don’t think Apex Gang types understand the tactic.

  41. Muzzlehatch

    If Monty tried to discourse in open minded good faith he wouldn’t get noticed more than the rest of the crowd. It suits his purposes to be obtuse and passive agressive. I wonder if he is disingenous in framing the juvenile assertions he does or if it is part of the Lefty cult somehow thinking he is taking part in the intellectual unraveling of a controversy. Folks like him are unremarkable. Either way he isn’t here for the hunting.

  42. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    STATE POLITICS
    Xenophon the ‘preferred SA premier’

    The Australian
    12:00AM October 19, 2017

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    Michael Owen
    SA Bureau Chief
    Adelaide
    @mjowen

    Nick Xenophon is almost twice as popular as South Australian Labor Premier Jay Weatherill and ­Liberal Opposition Leader Steven Marshall, according to a leaked poll five months out from the next state election.

    The departing senator, who will stand in the state seat of Hartley, is on track to achieve his goal of being a kingmaker at the March election, with a privately commissioned Galaxy poll putting his party SA Best in a tight race with the Liberal Party and ahead of Labor.

    The statewide poll of 806 voters last week shows the Liberals on a primary vote of 31 per cent. Senator Xenophon’s SA Best is running a close second at 30 per cent. Labor, which has been in power in South Australia since 2002, is trailing with a primary vote of just 26 per cent.

    Senator Xenophon is ahead as preferred premier, with 41 per cent support, while Mr Weatherill and Mr Marshall have both slumped to just 21 per cent, about half the SA Best leader’s support.

    From the Oz. Now I do know that South Australia should be leased back to the British Crown for use as a penal colony. Nick Xenophon as a State Premier. F.M.S.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Oh well, at least we tried, Zulu. But I fear Monty will still be Monty once nightly blackouts are the norm, gangs take over the streets, and “persons unknown” come out to keep them under control.

    Such is the future

    Monty will be home, hiding under the bed, telling the children how brave he could have been..others will be in the streets, fighting to the last petrol bomb and last cartridge..

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Such is the future

    Painted on a wall, in Prague, in 1968. (Translated.) “The Russian circus is back in town. Please do not feed the animals.”

  45. From the Oz. Now I do know that South Australia should be leased back to the British Crown for use as a penal colony. Nick Xenophon as a State Premier. F.M.S.

    Responsible for, and overseeing $90 billion worth of Defence spending over the next 20 years.
    Let me put that another way. If he ends up running things in SA, Xylophone will be indirectly responsible for the military security of this nation for at least the next half century.

    Mull the thought over, and let the implications sink in.

  46. johanna

    Delta A
    #2526705, posted on October 18, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    Stealth mobility scooters

    Recently visited Goolwa, a great God’s waiting room, and the only place where I have seen a shopping centre apply a 4 km limit on mobility scooters.

    Should be more of it.

    Queanbeyan is high on the list of MS capitals. At about 11 am every day in the mall food court, a bunch of them meet to drink coffee, discuss hotting up their scooters, and how to maximise benefits under various government programs.

    They start ’em young here. I have seen huge blobs (female) who couldn’t be more than 25 years old on taxpayer funded scooters. How anyone that young could get so fat is a mystery to me. At that age I ate and drank copiously and never put on an ounce.

    Never mind Summernats, soon we will have Scooternats here.

  47. C.L.

    Ahahahahahahaha.

    Shorten thrives with Abbott help
    11:00PM NIKI SAVVA
    The former prime minister’s quest for revenge is clearing Bill Shorten’s path to the Lodge.

  48. Never mind Summernats, soon we will have Scooternats here.

    I’ve now got the eHarley tricked up to 38kmh over level ground. Quite hairy on three wheels.
    Even the best golf buggies will only do 24kmh.
    Let me know when these Scooternats are on.

  49. JC

    At that age I ate and drank copiously and never put on an ounce.

    Huh. The medical profession calls that a version body dysmorphic disorder, where the visual isn’t the same as what the brain processes. If you were overeating when young, you would have been just as overweight as the tubbsters you’re now criticising.

  50. C.L.

    Hillary Clinton laughs maniacally about Benghazi massacre:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEd30ea6Qtg

    Totally insane.

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mull the thought over, and let the implications sink in.

    Are you so really determined to cause me nightmares? Good night.

  52. Mark A

    Is there a chance anyone can shut A Bolt up and make him let the guests speak?
    I can only listen to his podcasts and even so I am chucking my shoes at the screen.

  53. Much like the entire Left. Without scruples. They are Stirnerite nihilists pretending to be good people.

  54. JC

    And Joh

    I try to do at least 10,000 steps a day. That equates to 500 calories so exercise doesn’t really to anything about overeating as the real solution is reducing food intake.

    ————

    Went to Smith and Wollensky steak house last night with a bunch of old traders. I had the 5lb Maine lobster as the main. Shrimp cocktail to start and profiteroles for dessert . I feel really ill this morning but what a wonderful meal. Great French wine too. Must go walking now

  55. I see the HC has defended the right of environmentalists to protest outside of logging and mining operations, but if someone dares to protest abortion operations in VIC or TAS by offering their prayers or support for alternatives they will be fined. What a country.

  56. johanna

    BTW, I note that Lizzie has had a go at me for being “sour” or something for calling out her adolescent facechook gushes here.

    Tell us, Lizzie, does your husband know about your (aimed at voyeurs) references to your sex life on a public forum?

    No doubt most, maybe all, contributors have sex lives, and some of them may well be more interesting than yours. But they have the manners and breeding not to discuss them with the world. Unlike our resident exhibitionist and fabulist.

    Oh, did I see that you have admitted that your “book” (Scene at party years ago: I’m writing a book! Oh, fabulous, Lizzie, you are so clever; scene at party years later ditto, but no book) is a non-starter. Still, it got you lots of kudos as a faux-intellectual, for years and years. Well done, you. Scam artists throughout the world will welcome you into their fold.

    When you comment on things on their merits, I regard you as the same as anyone else.

    Stay classy, hun. Any other tips on how to keep marital sex interesting? Never mind about hubby’s views. As you have cowered behind doors (according to you) to comment here in the past … meh!

  57. Wow I feel a bit voyeuristic. Like I’m in the Ladies Room by mistake.

  58. OldOzzie

    Labor links expose GetUp! as a ‘front’

    GetUp! has appointed two new ­directors with strong Labor ties, fuelling claims by the Coalition that the group is a party “front” that cannot be treated under ­electoral laws as an independent campaign organisation on community issues.

    The left-leaning activist group has added to its board Daniel Stone, Labor’s former digital ­director who worked on last year’s federal election campaign, and Stephen Monk, an IT executive with social-media links to many prominent ALP identities.

    GetUp!’s chairman is Phil ­Ireland, an active Labor Party member and NSW convenor of the party’s ­environmental action network.

    Others with Labor links to GetUp! include: Bill Shorten, a member of the original board in 2006 and donor of at least $100,000 in union cash as seed funding; Sam McLean, formerly GetUp!’s national director and now an adviser to Mr Shorten; and Lachlan Harris, a GetUp! staff member who later became Kevin Rudd’s media adviser.

  59. JC

    DB

    I watched a Netflix program called Steak. I forget the name but it’s a well known steakhouse in Brooklyn that’s supposed to have the second best steak in the world ..according to their rating .

    I went there decades ago and can’t recall the name

  60. OldOzzie

    Minister wanted to dump light rail

    Soon after he became NSW Transport Minister, Andrew Constance asked bureaucrats what it would cost to dump Premier Gladys Berejiklian’s controversial $2.1 billion CBD light rail project and whether abandoning it was possible.

    Bureaucrats told him and his senior staff the contract signed by then transport minister Ms Berejiklian was watertight and cancelling it would create “sovereign risk” and be too expensive, The Australian has learnt. Since then Mr Constance has had to make several announcements about the light rail line and praised it.

    After the 2015 Coalition election win, Mr Constance was moved by former premier Mike Baird from Treasury to Transport, with Ms Berejiklian made treasurer, ahead of her becoming Premier less than two years later.

    According to an account of one early meeting, Transport for NSW secretary Tim Reardon and other senior bureaucrats told Mr Constance there was “sovereign risk” in any attempt to dump the line. “The words he (Mr Reardon) used were ‘the Spanish have tied us up in knots on the contract’,” a source in the meeting said.

    “The contract was signed in such a rush, every alteration we want to make is costing us five times as much as it should have.

    “There was a view (in Mr Constance’s office) at the time that this was a dog of a project.”

    At another meeting, bureaucrats again told Mr Constance and his senior staff the project could not be cancelled.

    The Australian has learnt two big Australian infrastructure construction companies will not bid for work for the Parramatta light rail project, which the government reannounced yesterday, partly because of dramas associated with the CBD light rail. Lend Lease and John Holland have decided not to bid for the design and construct part of the plan.

    A combination of difficulties the Spanish contractors Acciona have had removing and replacing utilities in the CBD and the way the Parramatta deal has been structured has put them off, sources at the companies confirmed.

    Yesterday Mr Constance did not deny his 2015 wish to cancel the CBD light rail project.

    “Any new minister receives a full brief of current projects, what stage they’re up to and makes an assessment of whether projects provide good outcomes and should proceed,” he said in a statement yesterday. “Sydney light rail proceeded because it will provide a great outcome for Sydney. We do not comment on ­internal meetings.”

    Mr Constance and Ms Berejiklian announced a preferred route for stage two of the $3.5 billion Parramatta light rail yesterday, from Rydalmere north of the Parramatta River to Olympic Park. A first stage, from Westmead to Carlingford, is due to be com­pleted in 2023.

    Yesterday the opposition questioned how the project would be funded, given the state budget allocated only $1bn to the project.

    The Australian revealed yesterday the government was pulling out all stops to block the release of documents on the CBD light rail project, which the opposition thinks may show Ms Berejiklian misled the public when she said a $500 million blowout was for improvements. The Auditor-General found 94 per cent of the rise was “was due to incorrect estimates in the business case”.

    Asked why the government would not release the documents, Mr Constance told parliament yesterday the matter was being handled “at arm’s length” by the department and there were “commercial sensitivities”.

  61. JC

    Got it. Peter Luger

    It’s supposed to be the best steak this side of heaven.

  62. OldOzzie

    JC
    #2527057, posted on October 19, 2017 at 3:41 am
    Got it. Peter Luger

    It’s supposed to be the best steak this side of heaven.

    Would agree with the statement above on Peter Luger – went there with my son when he lived in New York

    Superb Steak

  63. JC

    DB

    The Old Homestead in Manhattan is also worth trying.

    The rest, like Smith and Wollensky where I went last night, are also rans.

  64. The Australian revealed yesterday the government was pulling out all stops to block the release of documents on the CBD light rail project, which the opposition thinks may show Ms Berejiklian misled the public when she said a $500 million blowout was for improvements.

    The difference in tolerance for project cost blowouts between the public and private sectors is staggering. Project schedules are merely guidelines in most departments.

    That said, vendors see $$$ signs with government contracts, enabled greatly by political pronouncements of virtue of projects not signed or finalised, greatly enhancing the negotiating position of suppliers. Insanity.

  65. OldOzzie

    For those who don’t want to give clicks to Niki Savva

    Shorten, Labor thrive with Abbott’s help

    Bill Shorten’s singular achievement since becoming Opposition Leader four years and six days ago has been to keep Labor united.

    Rumblings have surfaced occasionally, there has been the odd policy skirmish, but nothing life-threatening or enduring, beyond Anthony Albanese’s ambition.

    In view of everything that preceded his election as leader — much of which he precipitated by first killing Kevin Rudd to install Julia Gillard, then helping to kill her and restore Rudd — that is quite a feat.

    Much has been made of Shorten following Tony Abbott’s template as opposition leader. That is true and in this context just a gentle reminder it was in this column that Abbott was declared one of the best opposition leaders ever. Shorten may never match Abbott’s success but he has shown the same discipline in sticking to the message, and employed the same ruthless negativity while exploiting — and benefiting from — his opponents’ divisions.

    Key to it all has been the determination of the great bulk of his caucus, and his frontbench, exhausted by six years of leadership wars, to fall into lock step behind him. A united front is as critical for Shorten as it was for Abbott in opposition. Until two West Australian backbenchers moved the spill motion against him in February 2015, Abbott had enjoyed and prospered from, like Shorten now, a remarkably harmonious partyroom since his election as leader in December 2009.

    Abbott’s success in turning Gillard’s into a minority government, then securing a handsome victory in 2013, quelled all misgivings about him. Shorten survives because he stripped the Coalition of its healthy majority and has retained a solid lead in the two-party preferred vote in opinion polls.

    The more astute Labor members are as sure as they can be, barring what they call the unknown unknowns of politics, that Shorten will lead them to the next election. Further, again barring the unknown unknowns, they believe he will face Malcolm Turnbull.

    Naturally, they prefer to be ahead in the polls; however, as they battle to control their hubris, they know the poll lead signifies little in terms of the next election, still almost two years away. They can even laugh dismissively at Turnbull’s loss of 21 Newspolls in a row, knowing the real import of that lies in the fact Turnbull himself nominated the magic 30 as proof of failure, not that it will trigger his demise.

    What they also know is that they have much to be grateful for. They are under no illusions about the difficulties that lie ahead, but one thing they freely volunteer — privately at least, because publicly of course success is due solely to the fact they are political geniuses — is that Abbott is doing a lot of their work for them.

    “For us, it is a great environment,” a senior Labor figure observed before the government revealed its energy policy. “If anything good is happening for the government, we know Abbott will blow it up. It is not just that he times it to coincide with Newspoll, he does it whenever the opportunity presents itself.

    “Take energy, which is a difficult issue for the left side of politics. Abbott has succeeded in making it unclear what the government’s position is. It should be a great issue for them, and he is destroying it.”

    While it is standard practice for political parties to war-game their opponents, there is one scenario the Labor smarties cannot even envisage, and that is Shorten facing Abbott at the next election — despite the former prime minister’s generous offer that he is, if his colleagues so desire or insist, willing to lead them again.

    According to one senior Labor source: “We cannot see the pathway back for Abbott. Kevin had a narrative, and that was to say to backbenchers: ‘I am more likely to save your seat than Gillard is.’ He was always able to give the backbench hope.

    “What is Abbott’s narrative? What would he say to Craig Laundy or David Coleman? He can’t say, ‘I will save your seat.’ He could say, ‘I will give you a pure form of conservatism.’ Even that wouldn’t work because his record in government was the opposite.”

    Another reason cited by senior Labor men for Shorten’s success is his understanding and management of caucus. Whatever misgivings MPs have over the direction of policies, whether relating to boatpeople, energy or national security, they suppress dissent for the greater good. In any case, the options are limited. Albanese’s popularity outside is not matched inside the parliamentary party, while other possible contenders (Tanya Plibersek, Chris Bowen, Tony Burke) are not up to it or not up for a fight.

    Nobody on either side seriously expects Abbott, who loves nothing more than a fight, to hang up his boxing gloves. Labor is happy for him to keep going. And why not? The Coalition, as was shown again at Tuesday’s joint party meeting, has had a gutful of poisonous sprays from him or his allies that kill any green shoots that struggle to break through.

    Abbott is at heart a decent person. Those who know and like him (or used to) wish he would wake up, leave thoughts of revenge behind because no good will come of it, and modify his behaviour. Otherwise a lonely, bitter future beckons.

    Josh Frydenberg was an Abbott protege. As Environment and Energy Minister, Frydenberg has worked hard, winning over even factional brethren once personally antipathetic to him. At each point he has been undercut or undermined by Abbott or one of his few remaining acolytes. Frydenberg’s challenge, as he worked hand in glove with the Prime Minister and his office, was to devise a policy that was saleable, sensible, acceptable to his partyroom and provided points of difference with Labor.

    The overwhelming consensus at Tuesday’s party meeting was that those objectives had been achieved, and what remained was for the government to get the sales job right by keeping the messages simple — not an easy task with such a complex issue.

    Abbott was not alone in asking questions about the new approach, but he was Robinson Crusoe in seeming to want to prolong the uncertainty.

    His request for the political discussion to continue, which would have involved suspension of the meeting until later and exposed Turnbull to even more ridicule, was howled down by his backbench colleagues. The united front in the Coalition was/is against Abbott.

    If Abbott employed his cut-through talents to help rather than hurt his colleagues as he does now, all sorts of rewards could follow, beginning with the restor­ation of respect. Unlike the applause of those on the fringes, which carries a heavy cost, that would be priceless.

    From The Comments

    – Turnbull and his supporters are sounding like Julia Gillard did . always blaming everyone and everything for their lack of inspiring leadership

    – This article reminds me of the Hillary Clinton 4 Corners interview during the week. Everyone else is to blame for her loss but poor old Hillary.

    Poor Malcolm.

    – What rubbish. Turnbull and ‘his’ Coalition were doomed the day he knifed Abbott. Savva is blinded by her husbands job. Hopefully she will retire when Turnbull goes….I will celebrate both.

    – If Malcolm was one hundredth the leader he and Niki think he is; Shorten or Abbott wouldn’t make an iota of difference.

    Your man is melting into a puddle of inconsequential mess and will soon be flushed down the S-Bend of Political History Niki.

    – No, Niki, Tony didn’t make Mr. BS thrives. The bedwetting PM makes Mr. BS look like a PM material. Which would have never happened under Abbott.

    Turnbull is useless. He’s is embarrassing himself and Lucy for not living up to his own promises to turn thing around for the coalition. Turnbull is nothing but an attention seeker and power-hungry little fella, with no decency and leadership quality whatsoever. He has been using 99% of Abbott’s policy up to now.

  66. OldOzzie

    Penfolds unveils g3, a blend of three Grange vintages 

    Penfolds g3 is available for sale globally as of today. It will be sold by expressions of interest at ­Penfolds.com, or those who have a lazy $3000 lying around and can get quickly to Penfolds cellar doors in either Magill, in Adelaide, or in the Barossa may be able to get their hands on a bottle.

  67. Mark A

    OldOzzie
    #2527066, posted on October 19, 2017 at 3:58 am
    Penfolds g3 is available for sale globally as of today. It will be sold by expressions of interest at ­Penfolds.com, or those who have a lazy $3000 lying around and can get quickly to Penfolds cellar doors in either Magill, in Adelaide, or in the Barossa may be able to get their hands on a bottle.

    makes the goon bags appealing.

  68. Mark A

    Thanks Tom.
    Zanetti for me.
    Can’t connect to the US stuff.

  69. Top Ender

    Indeed:

    Greens are shallow, short-term and anti-democratic, precisely the opposite of the ideals they claim to champion: deep, long-term thinking with liberal democratic souls and pure of heart.

    Instead, Greens are shallow because they spend their lives campaigning on the basis of crises that never eventuate. Overpopulation, mass starvation, ruination by agricultural chemicals, mass extinction of species, ecosystem collapse and resource depletion never happen. The world refuses to succumb to the calamity du jour.

    But Greens need a calamity to thrive. When one calamity fails to materialise, they invent another. The latest is the alleged threat to Australia’s Great Barrier Reef from the Adani Carmichael coalmine. The reef is an icon, the mine its bete noire.

  70. srr

    TheLastRefuge‏ @TheLastRefuge2 15h15 hours ago

    DNC Breach Rallies Hackers To Clinton’s Side in Vegas – Event Held at Mandalay Bay https://www.wired.com/2016/08/dnc-breach-rallies-hackers-clintons-side-vegas/?mbid=social_twitter_onsiteshare … via @WIRED

  71. srr

    College Is Not A Daycare | Everett Piper and Stefan Molyneux
    Oct 18, 2017
    With the rise of postmodernism across the intellectual landscape and the ongoing propaganda ongoing in many western universities, the objective nature of truth is under attack by the most depraved aspects of modern society. Dr. Everett Piper joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the importance of objective ethics, the infection of postmodernism on college campuses, the rise of ad hominem attacks and the erosion of the foundations which built western civilization.

    Dr. Everett Piper is the President of Oklahoma Wesleyan University and the author of “Why I Am A Liberal and Other Conservative Ideas” and “Not a Day Care: The Devastating Consequences of Abandoning Truth.”

  72. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Goodness gracious, Johanna at 1.36am. She’s off again.
    What a total sourpuss!

    Tell us again, Jo, about those early breathless sexual exploits of yours.
    How you were once such a hot little number. Hell, I joke about myself; you are serious about you.
    My comments on matters of the heart are always mannerly and apposite. I don’t do Facebook.
    And I try to be reasonably modest about my abilities in anything I write seriously.
    Go polish up your Latin and offer feedback on some para’s of a chapter I put up here recently.
    Let’s see that honed intellect at work. Better still, research and write something of your own.
    Send it to Quadrant and let’s see how you go. I struck it lucky once there. You’d be a cinch surely?
    Or put up a poem here. I was quite proud of my impromptu ‘Tennyson Continuation’ yesterday. 🙂

  73. Baldrick

    Labor opposed to new laws for child molesters. Colour me surprised:

    Compulsory jail terms for child sex offenders is dividing federal politicians, with Labor being accused of moving to “allow more paed-ophiles into the community”.
    Offences committed under national laws could soon attract a mandatory minimum sentence, under a Federal Government proposal.
    Labor’s Justice spokeswoman Clare O’Neil cited concerns from prosecutors and the Law Council, arguing “sections of the bill will not make Australian children safer”.

  74. Herodotus

    Thanks Tom – the something burger and the Stiglich take the podium.

  75. Herodotus

    GetUp virtually a Labor organisation!
    Wow. who saw that coming?

  76. rickw

    One reason Chinese / SE Asian manufacturing became so prominent, it’s easy if you just copy other companies products:

    This is a Dashin Champion, an exact copy of a Colchester Triumph, except for the badge:

    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/caboolture/power-tools/metal-lathe/1162831900

    This is the real thing:

    http://www.lathes.co.uk/colchester/page21.html

    This has been going on for 50 years, killing a lot of western manufacturers along the way.

    The Indians took a slightly different route, copying a 100 year old design by an unknown English manufacturer! Might seem crazy but actually made a lot of sense for the local Indian domestic market, able to be easily be adapted to whatever power source was available, tractor pto, ox, man, water etc.

    http://www.lathes.co.uk/panther/

  77. Herodotus

    Sarah Ferguson felt sorry for Hillary because “she’s been through enough”.
    Sounds like a partisan attitude; no surprises there.
    Hillary volunteered for everything she’s been through, and the way she went through it isn’t that attractive.

  78. So if what Trump reportedly said to the Gold Star widow was unremarkable and inoffensive, why is he spending so much energy denying he said it?

  79. WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Army sergeant killed in Niger said Wednesday that President Donald Trump, in a call offering condolences, showed “disrespect” to the soldier’s loved ones as they drove to the airport to meet his body. Trump, engulfed in controversy over the appropriate way for presidents to show compassion for slain soldiers, strongly disputed that account.

    Sgt. La David Johnson was one of four American military personnel killed nearly two weeks ago whose families had not heard from Trump until Tuesday. Rep. Frederica Wilson said that Trump told the widow that Johnson “knew what he signed up for.”

    The Florida Democrat said she was in the car with the widow, Myeshia Johnson, on the way to Miami International Airport to meet the body when Trump called. La David Johnson’s mother, Cowanda Jones-Johnson, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the congresswoman’s account was correct.

    “Yes the statement is true,” Jones-Johnson said. “I was in the car and I heard the full conversation.

    That’s simply not so, Trump said Wednesday. He declared on Twitter: “Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!”

    And in a White House meeting on tax overhaul, Trump said that he “didn’t say what that congresswoman said, didn’t say it at all. She knows it.”

    Wilson did not back down from her account, suggesting that Trump “never wants to take ownership” of a mistake.

    “If you are the leader of the free world, if you are president of the United States and you want to convey sympathy to a grieving family, a grieving widow, you choose your words carefully,” Wilson told AP on Wednesday. “And everyone knows that Donald Trump does not choose his words carefully.”

    “She was crying for the whole time,” Wilson said of the new widow. “And the worst part of it: when he hung up you know what she turned to me and said? She said he didn’t even remember his name.”

  80. I predict the right will now start attacking the Johnson family in earnest.

  81. bystander

    m0nty
    #2527098, posted on October 19, 2017 at 6:50 am

    So if what Trump reportedly said to the Gold Star widow was unremarkable and inoffensive, why is he spending so much energy denying he said it?

    If what monty has said about Trump and the Gold Star widow is true, why is he spending so much time defending his position?

  82. Thanks, JC. I know Peter Luger’s, it’s just south of the Williamsburg bridge. always meant to go there but never did. Must give it a go, but never heard of the Old Homestead. Will add it to the list. Have you been to Keen’s?

  83. Baldrick

    m0nster, stop using the death of a U.S. soldier just to score your own political points.
    It’s abhorrent.

  84. feelthebern

    JC, how much did the lobster cost?

  85. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Trump said something inappropriate, stop the press!!

  86. JC

    25 bucks a pound
    It’s not bad considering ours get up to 150 a kilo. Maine lobster is far far superior to ours.

  87. calli

    Newsflash: Campos is not missing – I just saw him on Sunrise!

    Sad to see the death of a conspiracy theory. It was such a cute one.

  88. m0nster, stop using the death of a U.S. soldier just to score your own political points.

    Ah no Baldrick, you lot don’t get to play that card after years of Benghazi rubbish.

  89. feelthebern

    & a Sydney restaurant 2 weeks ago, the market price was $A220/kilo.
    Can’t remember where it was from, but I settled for the Balmain Bugs instead.

  90. Ah no Baldrick, you lot don’t get to play that card after years of Benghazi rubbish.

    In which monty proves he cares neither for those who fell in 2012 or in 2017. Just the politics.

  91. Gab

    The deaths of US soldiers and the ambassador and the false flag “islamophobic” video used as a distraction by Obama & Hillary and monty reduces this to “Benghazi rubbish” to score an imagined point.

  92. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Here is a video the Male Champions of Change invite you to watch …

    These women epitomise the very reasons why would should keep women out of the workplace.

  93. calli

    Uh oh. As one dies, another one takes its first breath!

    Fake Melania!

  94. Gab

    Here is a video the Male Champions of Change invite you to watch …

    I lasted 38secs when the big-mouthed female started squawking about how merit is so passé.

  95. Tel

    In which monty proves he cares neither for those who fell in 2012 or in 2017. Just the politics.

    Also proves he has no understanding of what happened at Benghazi and little interest.

    He knows it’s something military and someone died. That’s it. All military events must be related to all other military events inside the Monty noggin. Anyway, none of this is remotely going to put off Trump’s base so in a way it’s a good thing for the Democrats to waste as much time on it as possible… they are so massively out of touch.

  96. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    One reason Chinese / SE Asian manufacturing became so prominent, it’s easy if you just copy other companies products:

    China needs to be punished for the trillions in intellectual property they have stolen.

  97. Years and years of you lot propping up military corpses in the witness box, and now you get precious. No, that won’t wash.

  98. John Constantine

    https://www.cropsmart.com.au/glyphosate-technical-up-40-in-3-months-is-this-the-start-of-a-years-long-trend/

    China flexes its pricing muscles.

    Using enviromental concerns to hand control of Australias crop chemical supply to their oligarchs.

  99. calli

    China needs to be punished for the trillions in intellectual property they have stolen.

    If they’re so good at pinching and processing and packaging, why can’t they punch out some decent baby formula?

  100. John Constantine

    Chinese oligarchs are the OPEC of crop chemicals.

    The recent massive mergers of crop chemical companies have produced an oligopoly, the profitless boom of agriculture is looking down the barrel of a genuine squeeze.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/09/china-orders-pollution-factories-shut

  101. Leigh Lowe

    25 bucks a pound
    It’s not bad considering ours get up to 150 a kilo. Maine lobster is far far superior to ours.

    It is different.
    Very sweet, like crab, and not outrageously expensive I didn’t think, given you can drive to a lobster pound, pick live ones from the tank and have them cooked straight away.
    Just had a grilled wbole sea bass in an undisclosed European seaside location.
    There is no substitute for having fresh fish cooked by a someone who has been doing it all their life and gets it just right.
    What is sad is that many seaside restaurants here try to “jazz up” fresh fish with all manner of fancy sauces.
    I asked the guy in the restaurant tonight how he would cook the fish at home. He said “grill, with the olive oil … little bit pepper, little bit salt … tiny bit crushed rosemary “.
    Me … “well lets do that, then”
    It was magic.

  102. Gab

    It is different.
    Very sweet, like crab,

    That explains why I’ve never bothered with eating lobsters in Aust. Always found them bland.

  103. feelthebern

    LL, what did the table full of Russians next to you have?
    They are a boarish lot.

  104. JC

    & a Sydney restaurant 2 weeks ago, the market price was $A220/kilo.

    Just incredible . And Smith&Wolensky is a pretty decent midtown restaurant too .

  105. calli

    What is sad is that many seaside restaurants here try to “jazz up” fresh fish with all manner of fancy sauces

    “Cheffy”. And sometimes not-so-fresh fish.

    The price of fish here is a disgrace.

  106. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In fact, for those who missed it, here is my poem again. In the manner of those Medieval writers who took it upon themselves to do imaginative ‘Continuations’ of Chretien de Troyes’ late twelfth century unfinished Grail original, in my poem I take up from King Arthur’s death, as related in Tennyson’s ‘Idylls of the King’. I wrote it in five minutes during putting up Tennyson’s poem here to complement Mayfly’s parody of Tennyson’s style, so perhaps it is unpolished and the references opaque, but I like what I did there. I might put it in an Epilogue to my ‘book’ (which like the Grail itself is becoming that thing which must never be mentioned, or I’ll have Jo on my tail again).

    The legendary King Arthur’s closeness to the Grail legends has never been properly explained. The actions mainly concern his Court in which by the time of the ‘continuations’, Arthur has become a retreated background figure, said to be engrossed in deeply pondering his future. I intend to explain Arthur’s situation more fully in ‘my endless book’ (it will end). Arthur is an ancient god, whose name I know and can interpret. My poem makes reference to that, to Arthur’s failure to win back ‘the Grail’ for himself. The Grail displays the processional of the old religion (associated with the ‘precessoin’ of the stars) and the communion wine and bread of the new. The mystical power of ecstasy and destruction associated with the Grail (analogous to Tolkien’s ‘ring’) is a metaphor for the Old King’s destruction as a god made man, a destruction Tennyson forms so well for us, and the sea-change I believe Shakespeare had Prospero (a deistic Merlin construct) declare for that auld deity – the Indo-European Dyus (later Zeus) – inflected in my poem. Prospero’s deity was a sea-god sleeping, anciently taking the form of a dolphin, as does Poseiden (which is not insignificant to Arthur), and perhaps our answer to the hitherto unexplained dolphin-like ‘Pictish beast’ of the carved Pictish Symbol Stones.

    So Arthur’s legacy, his demise in favour of the Judeo-Christian God, is found in the legends of the emasculated Fisher King and the Grail Procession, which Jessie Weston in the 1920’s (out of favour now) and then T.S.Eliot related to a cultural hangover, to Sir James Frazer’s accounts of rituals of killing of the king and the Waste Land of failed crops that preceded this decision to kill power and thus appease.

    It’s more than that, I think. Christianised to some extent, these legends reference the passing of the old religion. The lameness associated with memories of Bron (a proxy for Arthur and I declare this with very good reason), that named original maimed Fisher King, is a metaphor for another euphemism, that the Fisher King was ‘wounded in the thigh’. Certainly alluding to fertility, but more poignantly not just being an actual ritual instance remembered from an ongoing culture but a lament for the demise of the Auld God-King himself, still remembered and revered, as ‘something rich and strange’. Shakespeare picked up on so many local folk tales – see also the Celtic concept of of ‘thin air’ between this world and the OtherWorld. The Fisher King is sometimes known as the ‘Rich Fisher’. Believe me, it all hangs together and makes much more sense where you finally know, as I do, what the word ‘Arthur’ actually means. And then we get to the legend of Percival – the Perfect Fool. And so on …

    Ha! This is my next chapter beginning to shape up. Thanks for indulging me here to think on it.
    My poem:

    “And so the Auld King dies, his Court in ruins,
    spoiled by the search for all that he once owned,
    the Grail denied him, and the prize foregone.
    Three wraiths from OtherWorld and UnderSea
    Take him once more to live Full Fathoms Five
    beneath the ocean; Dolphin-bound, he cries against the tide
    And longs to live: ‘forget me not, for I am all you ever had
    till now; and Rome is gone, the battle’s done, and lost’.
    Remember him, they will, and do, and praise his name,
    the Glory of the World, and sing him home upon his shield,
    a warrior true; The Arthur – Dyus – look, behold, he limps,
    a child pipes out the words: the Fisher King is lame.”

  107. feelthebern

    The $220/kilo didn’t stop the table full of Chinese next to us all partaking.
    That said, you expect that in Sydney in the casino precinct.
    You have to hand it to the Star.
    For a glorified RSL, they do have some cracking (but over priced) restaurants.
    And the Chinese book these places out every sitting, of every day.
    No wonder Packer want’s in on the action in Sydney.

  108. John Constantine

    Chinese money buys Australian politicians.

    Australian crop chemical manufacturing is closed down by our corruptocrats.

    Australian agriculture becomes servile to Chinese chemical supply.

    China enforces an embargo to force prices higher.

    Got shuttles full of enough basic chems for next cropping season in the yard, but who couldn’t see this coming?.

  109. Senile Old Guy

    Savva has really lost the plot:

    Josh Frydenberg was an Abbott protege. As Environment and Energy Minister, Frydenberg has worked hard, winning over even factional brethren once personally antipathetic to him. At each point he has been undercut or undermined by Abbott or one of his few remaining acolytes. Frydenberg’s challenge, as he worked hand in glove with the Prime Minister and his office, was to devise a policy that was saleable, sensible, acceptable to his partyroom and provided points of difference with Labor.

    Hahahahaha! The policy was, and is, a joke. On energy there is a simple and sensible policy: coal and other fossil fuels. The Frydenberg/Turnbull idiotic ruinables policy is stupid. The “points of difference with Labor” are so tiny as to be invisible.

    The overwhelming consensus at Tuesday’s party meeting was that those objectives had been achieved, and what remained was for the government to get the sales job right by keeping the messages simple — not an easy task with such a complex issue.

    It is only a “complex issue” because these idiots are fixated on ruinables. The Liberal party cannot distinguish its policy from the ALP because they are both blundering down the same stupid path.

  110. JC

    I asked the guy in the restaurant tonight how he would cook the fish at home. He said “grill, with the olive oil … little bit pepper, little bit salt … tiny bit crushed rosemary “.
    Me … “well lets do that, then”
    It was magic.

    My mother would make a concoction of olive oil, origami and a little crushed garlic dried over fish or very thin steak . It’s delicious.
    I’ve got wifey on thin steaks now iinstead of those thick hunks of meat. So much better.

  111. Senile Old Guy

    So, from the long piece about sexual assault, did anyone spot this:

    In a column published at the weekend, Sunday Telegraph national political editor Annika Smethurst admitted to being complicit in the “protection racket” surrounding sexual harassment in her personal and professional life, while revealing details of unwanted attention she had experienced. “We are all guilty of turning a blind eye, but sadly silence can offer safety,” she wrote, after referencing the case of a female journalist who endured public comments about the size of her waist by a senior politician.

    And that is why people do not take these people seriously: “endured public comments about the size of her waist”. Really? Really? She was fat and she didn’t like people noticing that. If I notice that some dude is fat, is that sexual harassment?

  112. Gab

    Oregano, yes? Not “origami”. Spellwrecker is awoke.

  113. Geriatric Mayfly

    There is no substitute for having fresh fish cooked by a someone who has been doing it all their life and gets it just right.

    Brings back memories of some unpretentious restaurant in the boondocks of Greece. That is all the maestro did; sizzled the fish, on order, in a battered, blackened pan. Complemented with a side salad, swimming in an olive oil, which was as good a complement as fine wine. Bread too of course, and the magic of it all still lingers.

  114. John Constantine

    Headline.

    Their dastardly dastiari attacks Rio Tinto for corruption.

  115. Senile Old Guy

    Savva, again:

    They can even laugh dismissively at Turnbull’s loss of 21 Newspolls in a row, knowing the real import of that lies in the fact Turnbull himself nominated the magic 30 as proof of failure, not that it will trigger his demise.

    Turnbull nominated the “magic 30” because it was convenient and suited his purposes. It could have been 25 or 35 but 30 fit his scheming. And apparently Savva thinks that Turnbull can hit 30 Newspoll failures and survive. Interesting.

  116. JC

    Gab

    I’m on my iPhone which makes it even worse.

  117. Gab

    Their dastardly dastiari attacks Rio Tinto for corruption

    Is this the same guy who took money from the Chinese?

  118. Gab

    I do so miss my Mother’s cooking. *sigh*

  119. areff

    Dover, reasonable people may differ, but by my reckoning Peter Luger’s is crap. Yeah, you get meat, but it’s expensive and the last time I dined there, they gave my son and I mismatched cutlery. The only appeal of Peter Luger is spotting which of the patrons are mob guys (Hint: flash shoes)

    You want a good steak in NYC? BobbyVan’s under the Helmsley building at the back of Grand Central. The creme spinach and onion loaf are wonderful, meat great, and wine list spectacular.

    Oh, and if you’re unattached and amorous, the bar is full of well-heeled Manhattan career gals in their thirties and forties looking to hook up with a fellow who owns a Hamptons beach house.

    By the way, Homestead on 14th street is good, but you’ll only find a Meat District tranny in that locale.

  120. Geriatric Mayfly

    The price of fish here is a disgrace.

    Pure hyperbowl. What’s disgraceful about undernourished fillets of flathead (skin off) being sold in Safeway for c. $50 a kg? Flatties are after all, the rarest of fish in the haute cuisine catalogue.

  121. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Oregano, yes? Not “origami”. Spellwrecker is awoke.

    Some days one can spend more time de-spell correcting than actually commenting.

  122. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The price of fish here is a disgrace.

    Government quotas, licensing and other medling.

  123. Tel

    18mm is correct cutting for steak thickness.

    Easy to remember because it’s the same as particle board.

  124. Years and years of you lot propping up military corpses in the witness box, and now you get precious.

    We know, monty, you didn’t care and you had a Democrat running again for President, who had a plane to catch to Vegas to raise money for his campaign. As Hillary said: What difference did it make. The Left would make Max Stirner proud.

  125. calli

    I like a little origami on my dinner plate.

    The Beloved and I learned a little vegetable origami during our Vietnamese cooking class. Tomatoes, carrots and cucumber made into flowers.

    And Lizzie, I like your poem and the reference to the Fisher King.

  126. John Constantine

    https://www.8020sourcing.com/china-epa-crackdown-shuts-down-tens-of-thousands-of-factories-with-no-end-in-sight/

    Lucky a deindustrialised, decarbonised Australian services economy [ debt funded] can cruise through a Chinese industrial shake-up and embargo.

    They will never stop exporting us loans, will they?. Comrades?.

    No wonder all the hot money was fleeing China to be stockpiled in Sydney house prices, we all knew they weren’t just won over by the quality of Australia’s services.

  127. notafan

    Quite unremarkable really, and only confirms that most likely Steven Paddock acted on his own and it clearly meticulously planned the whole thing.

    The conspiracy boosters wearing their metaphorical crepe shoes and safari suits will seamlessly glide on to the next lizard people! theory while spluttering and cursing and damning to hell anyone who dares question their wacky and plain stupid chemtrail thoughts.

    The Jesus campos interview

  128. areff, you’re putting me off my meat. Thanks for the pro-tip. We don’t have to go through The Crying Game experience because areff did.

  129. min

    Plibersek demonstrates her understanding of economics when asked by Sabra what would it cost to introduce labourors 48% renewables. Nothing because the big polluters would pay duh . Very reliable energy source I presume as that not considered.

  130. notafan

    Confession; I prefer loin lamb chops to steak.

  131. Tel

    I like a little origami on my dinner plate.

    Ahh Mexican food!

  132. Boambee John

    IT at 2344

    He’s also an abortion fanatic.

    He is not gay (maybe) and is too old to be aborted, but approaching an age group that might be targetted for “voluntary” euthanasia.

    He is acting out of a sense of self preservation.

  133. areff

    We don’t have to go through The Crying Game experience because areff did.

    Advice, not endorsement, Dover. Seriously, Bobby Van’s rules.

  134. Top Ender

    Huge article in the Socialist Moaning Herald about jobs: not enough; too difficult etc.

    The human interest factor is provided by one Zak Pawliw, 21, who left school in year 11, and who has been:

    studying website design at TAFE and is facing tough competition in trying to get his first job. He is also getting help with his job seeking skills at the Schools Industry Partnership in Penrith.

    Zac’s been studying this for four years?

    Someone should have a word. “Website design”? Mate, you can do that out of a box of software from JBHifi.

    Young Zac is a big lad, with probably a man bun. He could lift bricks in a lot of small towns. Mate, move away from Penrith, get real about your lack of skills, and man up.

    Read the article and weep. Sigh!

  135. calli

    Costi’s at Castle Hill had skinny flathead fillets yesterday – a steal at $49.99 a kilo.

    So it was delicious pork sausages for dinner instead.

  136. cohenite

    Recently someone put up a link to the balance sheet of a wind farm in Victoria I think which showed the wind farm received twice as much income from subsidies as it did from sale of its electricity. Does anyone have that link?

  137. notafan

    I’m wondering if women are finally realising that that was sold a pup with the sexual Revolution (and a lot of sour bitter men who want to blame women for everything while they still demand that they have complete sexual freedom)

    Only a few sensible people keep away from places like Tind’r and the Casual Sex Revolution.

    I made no comment on the merits this particular matter other than casual sexual encounters are fraught with danger.

    Some of the obvious ones many people have forgotten; unintended pregnancies and a host of sexually transmitted diseases, some of which are becoming untreatable.

    dangerous sex by Sara Dudley at The Spectator

  138. Rabz

    The staggering stupidity of collectivist feelgood idiocy, example eleventy gazillion and fifty seven:

    Cafes, supermarkets and other businesses could face legal action if pedestrians injure themselves on dockless bicycles scattered around the streets, but councils in Sydney have the power to fine companies up to $2200 for each bicycle left in busy areas.

    As more councils move to adopt agreements with the companies oBike and Reddy Go amid growing public anger at bikes being dumped on footpaths, streets and in parks, legal experts have questioned the implications dockless bikes raise for pedestrians and the elderly.

    Stuart Le Grand, Victorian general manager at Shine Lawyers, said there might be implications for small businesses.

    “It is clear these sorts of bikes are posing a hazard to pedestrians. It’s only a matter of time before someone suffers a serious injury by falling over one of them,” he said.

    “There are a number of parties upon which the liability is likely to fall: the company that owns the bike, local councils, it may extend to businesses as well.

    So, unsurprisingly, morons are dumping the ugly useless things pretty much wherever they feel like and it’s now a learned legal parasites’ picnic. FFS.

    From the Oz.

  139. Senile Old Guy

    Bolt:

    My editorial from The Bolt Report: Lisa Wilkinson is being praised by feminists, journalists and politicians as a fighter for “equal pay” – but can we stop the victim politics? Just think of her new co-host Waleed Aly, paid a third of her salary.

    I has to laugh!

  140. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And Lizzie, I like your poem and the reference to the Fisher King.

    Thank you, Calli. I am a sucker for wordsmithing. I was really just musing off into cyberspace, but this is such a fertile area for further investigation. There is so much nonsense spoken about ‘The Holy Grail’, it is good to think more seriously about an integrated theoretical schema within which we can analyse these legends without going all Dan Brown.

  141. Up The Workers!

    I think that it is disgraceful that the talented, well-known ‘progressive’ film director and emeritus donor and friend-of-the-Clintons, Harvey Weinstein, is being mercilessly pilloried and vilified in the press, merely for doing his Bonking Billy Short-One impersonations.

    Poor old progressive Harvey is well and truly behind the eight-ball, because unlike Bonking Billy and his Party, Harvey doesn’t get to corruptly appoint all his bent “little maaates” as Judges, Magistrates, Bail Injustices, D.P.P.’s, D.P.P.’s Solicitors, Adrian Bailey Recreational Facilitators, Chief Police Commissioners and Courtroom plea-bargaining horse-traders, entrepreneurs and back-slappers.

    Should have joined the A.L.P. Harvey, where the alleged rapist is exalted, and the alleged rape victim is vilified, abandoned then ignored without the case ever getting anywhere near a Court.

  142. InFarmer Gez

    Following on from from the Chinese dominance of Ag chemicals and now the inevitable price gouging as Western companies battle pointless Greentape to register any new formulation.
    How long before the solar panel market see the same tactic? Played for fools.

  143. Tel

    So, unsurprisingly, morons are dumping the ugly useless things pretty much wherever they feel like and it’s now a learned legal parasites’ picnic. FFS.

    Suddenly shopping centers like Westfield that deliver a controlled indoor micro-environment start to demonstrate their value proposition.

  144. Dr Faustus

    Their dastardly dastiari attacks Rio Tinto for corruption.

    Dastyari is an iron fist, mercilessly crushing the enemies of the Chinese State.
    Loyalty is a rewarding virtue…

  145. Bruce of Newcastle

    From the ‘your sex toy is spying on you’ department:

    Hacked Butt Plug Can Be Controlled ‘From Anywhere’

    Researchers have discovered a serious security flaw with a Bluetooth-enabled butt plug that allows hackers to remotely take control of the vibrating sex toy.

    Italian security researcher Giovanni Mellini published his findings in a blogpost on Tuesday, October 18, describing how he was able to send a vibrate command to a Hush butt plug from his laptop.

    Last year, security researchers from cybersecurity firm Trend Micro demonstrated how they could hack a web-connected vibrator.

    “If I hack a vibrator it’s just fun,” Raimund Genes, chief technology officer at Trend Micro, said at the time. “But if I can get to the back-end, I can blackmail the manufacturer.”

    I suggest that our politicians immediately submit their aids to the AFP for security checking.

  146. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And what about the content of your whispered nothings that now have to be reconfigured into legal permissions? It would quite likely put you off your stroke. “Can I please caress the upper-left quadrant of your inner-right thigh?” “Yes, but only 427 grams of pressure please, or the local constabulary will want to be involved”.

    tut, tut, Notafan. Jocular discussions of this sort of stuff have no place on the Cat and at the least should be marked strongly as NOT SUITABLE FOR JOHANNA. 😀

    By the way, what is Tindr? Is it just some ordinary sort of dating site, where people talk of walking along beaches together and good sense of humor etc, or is a relative of Grindr, which I gather is some sort of gay pick up site for immediate action? I live a sheltered life, although simple accounts of any of it are apparently deeply offensive to some.

  147. Senile Old Guy

    Well, there may be a bit more to the Lisa Wilkinson story than “equal pay”:

    LISA Wilkinson asked for $300,000 more than Karl Stefanovic’s base pay and her multimillion-dollar demands would have caused 10 of her Channel Nine colleagues to be sacked, new reports suggest, as the fallout from her defection to Channel 10 turns nasty.

  148. calli

    My Chinese guide informed me that some of the nastier industries are being moved offshore to Vietnam and Cambodia. Confirmed that when I visited – Chinese investment there is huge.

    The Yangtse cruise took us past nature at daytime and industry at night when we were tucked up in bed. Unfortunately, I left the door open an inch and woke up coughing and retching – fumes from the vast chemical plant (more like a chemical city) we were passing. Unless they clean up their act, the place will be an unliveable wasteland, and they are beginning to twig.

    The solution won’t be much chop for the neighbours though.

  149. Rabz

    That second Garrison cartoon has a sly reference to one of Shrillary’s most hilarious gaffes.

    He really is great value.

  150. notafan

    Isn’t it obvious that Tind’r is a relation of grind’r?

    Didn’t think I was introducing a jocular discussion about sex, either.

    The author wasn’t making a point that hasn’t been made a thousand times before in some of those campus dating guidelines. Not really particularly amusing.

    Just the consequences of treating sex like a hobby or a mere Recreational Activity

  151. calli

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2527184, posted on October 19, 2017 at 8:41 am

    Ahhhh…now we know why Brandis cried. Mystery solved.

  152. John Constantine

    Their turnfilth on sky.

    Insists Australia will stand by signed international climate obligations.

    Goes on about other shite, but simply we are signed away to deindustrialise Australia and pay crippling war reparations.

    Their turnfailure is making a country with welfare ten percent of GDP, with welfare services employees doubled in a decade, with a trillion dollars of debt locked in, then he hands it to shorten.

  153. Trump said something inappropriate, stop the press!!

    Democrat made a claim, Trump denied it. The only one who knows the truth is the widow.

    If it was in fact true, no doubt she will say it, knowing she has the explicit support of the Democrats, and the implicit support of the press.

    I’m betting a rake it doesn’t happen.

  154. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    a Bluetooth-enabled butt plug

    ? Yes, as I said, a sheltered life. What on earth …. ? Please, no-one answer that.

  155. Entropy

    Rabz, I think they are talking about non oBike, privately owned bicycles. If a government gets in bed with a business, the least it can do is start making it difficult for anyone to do any related activity without doing business with the company, in this case riding down to the coffee shop on privately owned bicycles.

  156. Their turnfailure is making a country with welfare ten percent of GDP, with welfare services employees doubled in a decade, with a trillion dollars of debt locked in, then he hands it to shorten.

    Tag team treachery.

    All for a couple of stupid paintings on a wall.

  157. Rabz

    I think they are talking about non oBike, privately owned bicycles

    Ent, could you clarify that, please? The piece refers specifically to the hire bikes.

  158. calli

    The “dockless” descriptor gives it away. I loved the “scattered” bit.

    “Time for a latte”, he says as he throws his hideously expensive, carbon fibre, multi-geared bicycle carelessly to the ground.

    Yeah. Right.

  159. notafan

    By the way too sheltered to know about Tind’r but not too sheltered to know about Grind’r?

    Both of which have been discussed here on numerous occasions.

  160. calli

    Alternatively, they might be suggesting that you place your privately owned bike in a council installed “bike dock” and walk a couple of blocks to the cafe, rather than pop down the stand.

  161. Arky

    Following on from from the Chinese dominance of Ag chemicals and now the inevitable price gouging

    ..
    Good luck getting your industries back, Western countries.
    It don’t grow on trees.
    I know you wanted to go around unions and regulations to get to that cheap manufacturing.
    How did that work out?
    The unions just moved their game to the stuff you can’t offshore, like construction and educating your children to love the gimp. Now you are in same boat with reglation and corruption, only you don’t have an industrial sector or any chance of ever getting it back.
    Well done, dickheads.

  162. Baldrick

    LISA Wilkinson asked for $300,000 more than Karl Stefanovic’s base pay …

    You gotta love these champagne socialists who chuck a victim wobbly and scream gender pay gap when they’re told no.
    $2 million to front a breakfast television infomercial. Get outta here.

  163. calli

    I know about Grindr. Stephen Fry on Top Gear years ago. He used it to find hopefuls in the audience.

    Odious.

  164. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    Ahhhh…now we know why Brandis cried. Mystery solved.
    ([email protected]:51)

    hahahaha…….I’m stealing that butt plug quip

  165. According to Daily Mail Carrie Bickmore not happy that Lisa will be paid 4 x what she gets.

    In another story it appears Dave Hughes took a pay cut when he found out Kate Langbrook was earning less than him. Between the two Hughes would have the greater profile.

    Ain’t equality grand. Somebody mentioned women’s tennis and that is best example of discrimination against the men.

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Didn’t think I was introducing a jocular discussion about sex, either.

    The quote was jocular. The discussion was serious. Jocularity often helps to make serious points.

    Anthropologists refer to ‘joking relationships’ as being a form of social oil, allowing an easier discourse between people, particularly when age and gender or other social role differences exist, or if a topic is socially contentious.

    Isn’t it obvious that Tind’r is a relation of grind’r?

    I have no idea how either of them works. So no, not obvious to me.

    I think I will take my jocularity and go home now, before I collect more hurtful comments. Johanna’s ‘soft porn’ comment was beyond the pale, and you bristle up very readily too, Notafan. I don’t need this.

  167. Snoopy

    Grindr has an immediacy that Tinder doesn’t; Grindr shows you only people who have logged on in the past hour, and you can see whether they are online at the moment. That immediacy makes hookups much more possible than I think Tinder does.”

    Grindr, which is geared toward gay and bisexual men, came first; it launched in 2009. Tinder followed in 2012. They are similar in purpose but their designs are different. Tinder displays just one person at a time, while Grindr presents a grid of active users, listed in order of how close they are to you in space.

    If only they could marry.

  168. herodotus

    Peasants that we are, we enjoy Tasmanian farmed salmon at $26-28kg.

  169. Geriatric Mayfly

    Says it all. Only one person on the Speaker’s left for opening prayers. Not one on the front bench. Ratty crossbenchers like Bandt absent as well.

  170. notafan

    I don’t know the details of either iether, just coming the raw prawn you, both have been mentioned here often enough, Tind’r was where the girl who allegedly got tossed of the balcony met that fellow.

    I don’t care to be drawn in to your Johanna thing, thank you all the same.

  171. notafan

    That was a wake up for me too Calli.

    Disgusting.

  172. Geriatric Mayfly

    I know about Grindr. Stephen Fry on Top Gear years ago. He used it to find hopefuls in the audience.

    If only they could marry. Well in this case there was a happy ending. Fry DID marry some scrawny looking yoof, who he could have picked up anywhere on his extensive beat.

  173. Dr Faustus

    Questions surround Australia’s new submarine fleet’s ultra-stealth propulsion technology

    A top executive at the company building the subs has thrown doubt on whether cutting-edge pump-jet propulsion technology will be used as planned.

    The ultra-quiet technology was a key selling point for the French design that won the Government’s competitive evaluation process to build the new submarines at a cost of $50 billion.

    Defence analyst Andrew Davies of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute said pump jets were designed to be used in nuclear submarines, not the conventionally powered boats Australia would use.

    “There is a real question about how you marry a pump-jet with a conventional submarine,” he told AM.

    “The couple of experiments over the years that countries have done where they tried to put a pump jet on conventional submarines went nowhere.”

    Of course.
    Any project the government has its hand on comes pre-installed with a flock of fuckup fairies.

  174. John64

    $2 million to front a breakfast television infomercial. Get outta here.

    Quite so, Baldrick. Now the pays are out in the open, this whole farce will blow up in the face of Wilkinson et al.

    99% of the public will regard the money paid to these D-Grade celebrities as obscene.

  175. egg_

    Here is a video the Male Champions of Change invite you to watch …
    Just look at these hen-pecked toss pots:

    It’s not enough to apply a corrosive substance to the outside of reinforced concrete. You need to get it inside the structure like saltwater attacking the reo bar through a crack and rusting it out from within. Engaging men is simply the latest tactic used to topple the structure of perceived patriarchy. The other way of looking at it is that they hope to groom enough Judas goats so there is an orderly transition at the “give up your job for a women” slaughterhouse.

    It’s not about equality, it’s about power, that’s why they target “top jobs” and boards.

    Yup, it’s a numbers game – witnessed the wymminses take over whole red tape departments, cos it’s just tick and flick and zero productivity, much like HR.

    Aunty’s metrosexuals are the essence of ‘Judas goats’, deplorable.

  176. egg_

    That old hag Wilkinson will murder the Project.

    Millennials and young Gen-x’ers do not want to be reminded of their old shrew future.

    +1

    Is she endorsing wrinkle creams (whilst getting plastic surgery, Victoria Principle style). yet?

  177. John64
    #2527231, posted on October 19, 2017 at 9:42 am
    Quite so, Baldrick. Now the pays are out in the open, this whole farce will blow up in the face of Wilkinson et al.

    Tim Blair is doing a lot of the detonating today.
    “Moaner Lisa escapes oppressive million-dollar pay regime.”
    Formerly a victim of sexism said to have been paid less than her male counterpart for doing the same work, Lisa Wilkinson will now earn more than her new Muslim co-host … for doing the same work.

  178. egg_

    “The couple of experiments over the years that countries have done where they tried to put a pump jet on conventional submarines went nowhere.”

    Ultra stealth?

  179. egg_

    Lisa Wilkinson will now earn more than her new Muslim co-host … for doing the same work.

    The only change will be KFC vs Coco Pops paying the bills.

  180. Andreas

    will now earn more than her new Muslim co-host … for doing the same work.

    It’s exactly that type of injustice and oppression that makes Muslims go splodey.

  181. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I have had two nights with very little sleep. It is unhealthy to fend off attack dogs in these circumstances. I’m going back to bed now. Snoopy, thanks for the explanations of sites mentioned that are simply not part of my ambit or interest. I’m happily married. Of course I have seen the names mentioned but have not taken in much except that Grind’r is for casual gay sex. I don’t think I care to learn any more about Tind’r if it is some sort of heterosexual equivalent. Just a sign of the times in that case.

    Not good for women. Nor men, I suspect.

  182. max

    There is so much nonsense spoken about ‘The Holy Grail’,

    Lizzie, have you come across The Grail Legend by Marie Louise von Franz ?

    I loved it, but many don’t.

    Enjoyed your poem. Much better than the HSC English paper, but that’s not saying much. One can only lament that Year 12 pupils are likely to be more familiar with trite aboriginal legends than the richness of the Grail legend.

  183. Top Ender

    At $2m a year, if Our Lisa does five shows a week for five days a week, that is 261 shows a year, that is $7k+ for each show.

    Nice!

    Except she wouldn’t do that many.

  184. C.L.

    This is it, Mont. This is the big one.
    Gold Star mother and a literal imbecile Florida Democrat will win the election for Hillary.
    You’re just a half-dozen comments away from pulling it off!

  185. John64

    Let us not forget that the impoverished Their Golden Calf Waleed ($500k+ per year) and his missus (probably $200k per year or thereabouts) can’t afford to buy a house.

  186. C.L.

    Still waiting, Tracey Spicer.
    Let’s have those names of TV industry rapists, like you promised.

  187. max

    Oops: Emma Jung & Marie-Louise von Franz.

  188. egg_

    My Chinese guide informed me that some of the nastier industries are being moved offshore to Vietnam and Cambodia.

    Water always seeks the lowest level.

  189. srr

    Obama Admin’s Russia-Uranium Deal Gets ‘Full-Scale’ Corruption Probe

    IRS Claims ‘Significant’ Number of Equifax Data Breach Victims Already Had Info Stolen

    Team Obama’s stunning cover-up of Russian crimes

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    Still think I cant see things

    🅾️ 🇭 🇴 🇺 🇷 ❗ @__0HOUR1_

    Ukraine and Power did the unmasking they gave her the names of Russian people.
    @seanhannity

    The major factor of #FusionGPS is that they are all ex @WSJ reporters hiding behind the 1st amendment working like lobbyists filthy crooks.
    https://twitter.com/__0HOUR1_/status/920770359468740608
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    Triggered “KAT”

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  190. Geriatric Mayfly

    From sunny skies do mayflies shy,
    But cloud today may see them fly.
    Anyhow that’s what I’m wishing,
    So, adieu all, I’m off fishing.

  191. Mother Lode

    The Greens will suggest that the quietest propulsion system is wind.

    Turnbull will not accept the idea of wind powered subs, right up until he does.

    Xenophon will insist that there be no poker machines on board. In fact, he doesn’t want any electronic equipment on the subs because it gets the submariners used to sitting in front of colourful monitors – from there it would only be a small step to pokies.

    Sam Dastardly will give the plans for the subs to the Chinese, explaining that it shows the strengths of the subs so they know there is no point trying to destroy them there. Shorten will have a brief, all too rare, confused moment of inarticulate apprehensiveness and be on the verge of saying something, but an intern with a grey stubble, beer belly, ill-fitting clothes and tats will have a word in his ear and he will sit down and shut up.

    Xenophon will want a ban on war games – it is only a small step to pokies.

  192. Senile Old Guy

    ABC continues the propaganda.

    LGBT people have frequently been shown in previous studies to have poorer mental health outcomes than their heterosexual counterparts, resulting in part from the stress that prejudice and anti-gay discrimination can cause. But in the new study, published this week in the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, researchers from Macquarie University found both LGB and heterosexual people who were exposed to even subtle religious anti-gay prejudice, such as disapproval of same-sexuality among religious groups, displayed higher levels of stress, shame, depression and anxiety.

    Can’t access the study without paying, so cannot assess the methodology or effects. But is any of this a surprise?

    Many churches declined to respond directly to the study’s findings but some told ABC News LGBT people must be accepted, and treated with love and respect. But one of study’s authors, Babucarr Sowe, said the findings should be a “wake-up call” for clergy and religious leaders, particularly given the current national discussion around same-sex marriage in Australia. “When you have a prolonged national debate, injected with the staunchly anti-gay religious rhetoric that we’re seeing now, the potential for harm becomes enormous,” Mr Sowe told ABC News.

    So what, people are not allowed to comment? And, at the risk of being repetitive, the most vicious rhetoric I have heard or read comes from the “yes” crowd (even documented by the ABC, to their credit).

    When will we see a study on that? [chirp, chirp]

  193. egg_

    Shorten thrives with Abbott help
    11:00PM NIKI SAVVA
    The former prime minister’s quest for revenge is clearing Bill Shorten’s path to the Lodge.

    +1

    Oz needs another dose of ‘red pills’.

  194. Fisky

    Great news! China has ABANDONED the annual human rights dialogue it has with Australia. So it should. Human rights must play no part in foreign policy ever.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/greg-sheridan/you-thought-china-valued-human-rights-wrong/news-story/6d1ecb65f67b6e954ee1dad922f4275c

  195. srr

    Thomas Paine @Thomas1774Paine

    So w/ Vegas Sheriff, FBI & MGM canceling all future press conferences, We should be able to put entire massacre behind us by say, Sunday?
    8:54 AM – Oct 19, 2017
    ________________

    🅾️ 🇭 🇴 🇺 🇷 ❗‏ @__0HOUR1_ 9m9 minutes ago
    More 🅾️ 🇭 🇴 🇺 🇷 ❗ Retweeted James Woods

    Being hushed with Hollywood money by MGM studios

    The real story is what they didn’t do on the Casino floor that night

    I may start on MGM

    James WoodsVerified account @RealJamesWoods

    #LasVegas shooting was the worst in US history.
    Key surviving figure is interviewed on a talk show.
    Where are the investigative journalists?

    https://twitter.com/__0HOUR1_
    ________________

    Mandalay Massacre Witnesses Jesus Campos and Stephen Schuck Speak to Ellen Degeneres…
    Posted on October 18, 2017 by sundance

    In a taped interview that aired today the security guard, Jesus Campos, and maintenance worker, Stephen Schuck, from the Mandalay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, speak to Ellenn Degeneres about the October 1st massacre at Mandalay Bay.

    Worth noting, according to the well-prepared and rolled out script, Mr. Campos and Mr. Schuck will not be giving any additional interviews with the media. As such, it can be intellectually assumed the content of this interview was thoroughly vetted and prepared after consideration from all stakeholders.

    The emphasis on the “hero angle” is inauthentic, too heavy, and appears structured as a preferred narrative. However, given the position of all local and national stakeholders in the event, and against the backdrop of potentially devastating legal liability against Mandalay Bay and Las Vegas, the need for a strongly structured narrative is transparent and understandable. Any alternative is financially problematic.

    STAKEHOLDERS: Las Vegas, almost entirely dependent on tourism, needs to present an image of safety and security. Las Vegas Metropolitan Police need to present an image of competency and security control. Mandalay Bay, the MGM corporation and the larger hotel and casino industry, need to reduce any culpability and liability; as well as portray their action as prudent and secure before the attack, and competent in the aftermath. Federal crisis management with direct influence over investigative authorities (FBI and DHS) need to portray an impression of national security and control.

    Ellen Degeneres, an insider within the entertainment industry and a stakeholder in the outcome, is a friendly venue for this exclusive interview. Las Vegas investigative authorities (LVMPD and FBI) have stated they will provide no additional press conferences or information on the worst mass shooting in U.S. history.

    more at –
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/18/mandalay-massacre-witnesses-jesus-campos-and-stephen-schuck-speak-to-ellen-degeneres/#more-140100

  196. egg_

    ‘She is less than impressed with the news’: Reports Carrie Bickmore is ‘p*ssed off’ after learning Lisa Wilkinson will earn FOUR TIMES more than her on The Project.

    Uh oh… the knives are out for Granny already.

  197. Up The Workers!

    To Dr. Faustas at 9.38 am,

    The major engineering distinction between what is being done in the mendicant State of South Australia with pump-jets in conventionally-powered submarines and what has been tried elsewhere, was devised by the greatest minds in the A.L.P. “fink-tank” secretly located in a Snowtown bank vault barrel and is that in this instance, the pump-jet is being fitted directly to the taxpayers’ wallet, rather than to the sub itself.

    After all, it has always worked for Labor/Laboral Misgovernments in the past.

  198. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Terry McCrann on Crown Casino criminal accusations: Andrew Wilkie’s behaviour irresponsible
    Terry McCrann, Herald Sun
    October 18, 2017 7:30pm
    Subscriber only

    ANDREW Wilkie’s behaviour was disgraceful, utterly irresponsible and should lead to his expulsion from parliament — if the major accusations of serious criminal acts cannot be substantiated.

    What he did was much worse than a politician using “the coward’s castle” to just slime a person or business.

    Wilkie was prepared to cause significant and all-too real financial damage to innocent investors on the basis of assertions which he admitted he did not know if they were true.

    At one point on Wednesday, Crown shares were down 9 per cent — investors, real people — were losing over $700 million, thanks to Wilkie.

    Andrew Wilkie’s behaviour was utterly irresponsible and should lead to his expulsion from parliament if the major criminal accusations against Crown Casino cannot be substantiated. Picture: Kym Smith

    He shredded his credibility even further by claiming that the allegations suggested a broader pattern of misbehaviour by the poker machine industry.

    Let’s tease that out: he claims that Crown and only Crown is doing something wrong, so everybody with a poker machine is probably doing the same!

    He provided not a shred of evidence for the claims of fiddling machines to generate more money for Crown, money laundering, drug taking, and one case of domestic violence.

    The machine-fiddling is inherently improbable on so many grounds.

    Money laundering is obviously a very big risk at a casino — just as it is at a bank, as we recently discovered.

    But again, given the unprecedented video surveillance, it would have to be a very big conspiracy.

    Please let the sanctimonious Wilkie finally have come unstuck…

  199. egg_

    will now earn more than her new Muslim co-host … for doing the same work.

    It’s exactly that type of injustice and oppression that makes Muslims go splodey.

    Joe Hildebrand should do a Bruno makeover so that they have a metrosexual J3wish lead anchor.

  200. Mother Lode

    ‘She is less than impressed with the news’: Reports Carrie Bickmore is ‘p*ssed off’ after learning Lisa Wilkinson will earn FOUR TIMES more than her on The Project.

    Hopefully it will be some consolation for her to consider they are all being paid far more than they are worth.

    It is not, therefore, a matter of principle, but merely a matter of scale.

  201. John Constantine

    What are the implications for sydney mcmansion prices, after China shuts down the dodgiest ten thousand factories, as a start?.

    Hot money washes in, when does hot money wash out?. Or will the flow of those frantic to escape the clutches of the Party simply stop?.

    Funding the deindustrialisation of Australia, and progressing to a welfare voteherd servicing economy with hot money fleeing the clutch of the Chinese government. How was this not a Ponzi scheme?.

    Revolutionary economic genocide, Comrades.

  202. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson‏Verified account @PrisonPlanet 1m1 minute ago

    Hollywood pedo victim Corey Feldman likes tweet asking him to name names.

    Shit just got real.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/920789640671563777
    _________________________

    Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr 1h1 hour ago
    More Donald Trump Jr. Retweeted Yahoo News

    Want to see media bias look no further. “Rape, Kill, Control” is literally MS-13’s motto
    but they frame it as though it’s racism. Insanity.

    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/920773804250533890

  203. egg_

    Las Vegas investigative authorities (LVMPD and FBI) have stated they will provide no additional press conferences or information on the worst mass shooting in U.S. history.

    But, but… we’re waiting for the “data”!
    (Nutter swallows antifa propaganda?)

  204. Dr Faustus

    Formerly a victim of sexism said to have been paid less than her male counterpart for doing the same work, Lisa Wilkinson

    Channel Nine CEO says otherwise:

    Mr Marks told the Telegraph that, unlike Stefanovic, Wilkinson had “multiple commercial contracts” that meant the network could not use her personality across all of its platforms and social media. For example, Wilkinson has a reported six-figure deal to write exclusively for the Australian arm of The Huffington Post, a direct rival to nine.com.au.

    Stefanovic has other duties at the network, including hosting the high-rating This Time Next Year and occasional reporting on current affairs flagship 60 Minutes.

    The market for ugly people in operation…

  205. srr

    Right Angle – Trump Derangement Syndrome: Losing Their Minds – 10/18/17
    BillWhittleChannel
    Oct 18, 2017
    Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to infect everyone on the Left who is incapable of coming to terms with the fact that President Trump emerged victorious a year ago. From late night shows to washed up comedians, it appears they are hell bent on making complete fools of themselves. It has even infected academia, where a Harvard Law professor named Lawrence Lessig suggested that Hillary could still be President. How is Trump able to drive these people crazy? Bill, Steve, and Scott explain this phenomenon.

  206. Up The Workers!

    To Mother Lode at 10.06am,

    “The Greens will suggest that the quietest propulsion system is wind”

    Sounds to me like you have single-handedly solved the propulsion-system problems of Halal Mal’s seat-saving $50 BILLION worth of Jurassic Park submarines that won’t be ready for duty till 2067 (if that).

    Just install Sarah Halfwit-Bung in the stern with a bucket-full of mung beans, and Bob’s your uncle!

  207. Uh oh

    C.L.
    #2527251, posted on October 19, 2017 at 10:05 am
    Ahahahahahaha:

    Daily Mail:
    ‘She is less than impressed with the news’: Reports Carrie Bickmore is ‘p*ssed off’ after learning Lisa Wilkinson will earn FOUR TIMES more than her on The Project.

    Which also begs the question, is Carrie being paid less than Waleed?
    Fun times ahead.

  208. calli

    Stop dissing morning tv guys. I think I was the first to the blog with the resurrection of Josh Fields (nyuk, nyuk).

    Well, Ellen got to him first of course.

  209. srr

    Gavin McInnes; 10/17 ”New Get Off My Lawn” They will eat their Own
    Food for thought

  210. srr

    Steyn: There’s nothing accidental about the Vegas massacre

  211. Delta A

    From today’s $Oz:

    The Police Federation of Australia has warned that magistrates are handing non-citizens lenient sentences for violent crimes to stop them from being deported.

    PFA chief executive Mark Burgess, representing more than 60,000 police across the nation, told a joint standing committee in Canberra there were instances where magistrates had ordered softer sentences, concerned that heavier sentences would have a negative effect on offenders’ visa status.

    He told the migration committee he was aware of cases in at least three states where offenders — charged with crimes including serious assault, home invasion and car-jackings — had been handed jail sentences of less than a year.

    To rtwt, search: Courts ‘going soft’ on non-citizen criminals

    By: Rachel Baxendale.

  212. srr

    Bits, pieces, odds and ends ..
    Bearing
    Oct 18, 2017
    Bits, pieces, odds and ends .. Regards, Bearing.

  213. Mother Lode

    Which also begs the question, is Carrie being paid less than Waleed?

    It is the confused logic of championing victims.

    These days Muslim has more victim-cache than wymminses.

    That means he receives more reward.

    You will notice that, in society in general (where government feels it has absolute authority) whoever is in a victim class is automatically showered with great favour and largesse, far above that which is bestowed on the supposed victimisers. Wymminses, Aborigines, Muzzies, QWERTY People…

    It is like Monty Python’s Dennis Moore – the highwayman who robbed the rich to give to the poor until the rich had scarcely the clothes on their backs, and the poor peasants lived a live of idle luxury.

    Only question is, how did Lisa Wilkinson out-victim a Muzzie? This is surely an affront to nature and there must be a ‘correction’.

    I hope it is embarrassing.

  214. Up The Workers!

    If Channel 7 dress both Moaner-Lisa and Carrie Bitchmore in standard black letter-box burqas, then none of the half-dozen viewers of the “Terrorists’ Apologist Project” will ever need to trouble themselves about relative salaries and performances or about which one is being paid 400% more than the other.

    Given that Musbyterians devoutly believe that a womans’ opinion is worth only 50% that of a mans’, is this being done solely to ‘even up’ the gravitas of the presenters?

    When will A.L.P./Get-Ups’ Squalid Ali be given his 400% pay increase?

  215. Mother Lode

    Courts ‘going soft’ on non-citizen criminals

    This is because they judges think justice is something they give us, not something they merely administer for us on our behalf.

    They think it is up to them to consult their own preferences and deliver that.

    This is what you are begging for with activist judges.

  216. egg_

    Steyn: There’s nothing accidental about the Vegas massacre

    The nutter seemed a meticulous planner in everything he did.
    He chose his own “backyard’ for the massacre.
    This was one final bit of cigar smoke in the faces of (Casino) hillbilly rednecks who ticked him off?

  217. srr

    JohnWickofPolitics‏ @Gingrich_of_PA 34m34 minutes ago
    JohnWickofPolitics Retweeted Washington Examiner

    Oh, well then everything is just dandy then… 🙄

    Washington ExaminerVerified account @dcexaminer

    Top Republican: Samantha Power testified that intel officials made “unmasking” requests in her name http://washex.am/2ziMjSP

    JohnWickofPolitics‏ @Gingrich_of_PA 31m31 minutes ago
    More JohnWickofPolitics Retweeted Donald Trump Jr.

    They will frantically try to bury this story now.
    Expect a false flag story within next 36-48 hours, or sooner.
    #UraniumGate

    Donald Trump Jr.Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr

    BREAKING: Obama DOJ Allegedly Threatened FBI Informant To Silence Him On Russian Nuclear Corruption http://www.dailywire.com/news/22440/breaking-obama-doj-allegedly-threatened-fbi-hank-berrien

  218. John64

    When will A.L.P./Get-Ups’ Squalid Ali be given his 400% pay increase?

    Their Golden Calf Waleed and Carrie must be rubbing their hands together.

    I can’t see anyway Ten can get out of this without giving them a big fat pay rise.

  219. Snoopy

    ANDREW Wilkie’s behaviour was disgraceful, utterly irresponsible and should lead to his expulsion from parliament — if the major accusations of serious criminal acts cannot be substantiated.

    My first thoughts were disgruntled sacked Crown employees collude to get square. Enlist aid of credulous idiot.

  220. stackja

    Las Vegas was quiet when run by Bugsy Siegel and later Howard Hughes. Then came Harry Reid.

  221. Mark from Melbourne

    Let us not forget that the impoverished Their Golden Calf Waleed ($500k+ per year) and his missus (probably $200k per year or thereabouts) can’t afford to buy a house.

    True, at the time (for certain values of the word “true”).

    Subsequently, he plonked down just on $2m for a place about 1km from me in Richmond. If memory serves he partly paid for that by selling an investment property.

    “True” is obviously a more elastic word than I’d given it credit for.

  222. Diogenes

    I can’t see anyway Ten can get out of this without giving them a big fat pay rise.

    It seems she is single handedly destroying 2 networks. Typhoid Lisa perhaps?

  223. notafan

    Attack dog yourself lizzie, not the first time you’ve tried to rope me in to your stupid feud.

    Is Tind’r like Grind’r is laughable in it’s fake Candy like naivety and thank for implying that I know all about it.

  224. notafan

    Subsequently, he plonked down just on $2m for a place about 1km from me in Richmond. If memory serves he partly paid for that by selling an investment property.

    I am really surprised that Waleed was not called out in relation to that particularly egregious lie, no doubt weasel words would have ensured.

    Another one for the forgettery (except here)

    I have no doubt Waleed and Susan are muslims of convenience only, the party was over when there was backlash over the response to the Hilaly cat comments back in 2006ish.

  225. stackja

    Mark from Melbourne
    #2527295, posted on October 19, 2017 at 10:57 am

    Who can handle the true? Waleed? Taqiya?

  226. stackja

    COFFS HARBOUR Pacific Hwy at Stadium Dr
    Midnight Oil concert – Thu 19 October

    Pete’s reformation.

  227. stackja

    notafan
    #2527298, posted on October 19, 2017 at 11:06 am

    Waleed is a protected species.

  228. Mother Lode

    Waleed is a protected species.

    He and his lot are an introduced species, and a destructive one at that.

  229. Up The Workers!

    How much money is Carrie Bitchmore currently being paid by 7?

    The chronically innumerate Daily Mail scribbler (Wayne Swan by any chance?) states that she is being paid $500,000.00 per annum, which it impossibly claims is “four TIMES less” than Moaner Lisa.

    Assuming that Moaner Lisa is now being paid $2,000,000.00 per annum, one time less than that, would be $Zero. Two times less would be minus $2,000,000.00; three times less would be minus $4,000,000.00 and four times less would mean that Carrie is actually PAYING Christopher Stokes $6,000,000.00 per annum for her job.

    Sounds to me like Stokes is on a good deal there. He can employ Carrie Bitchmore AND Moaner Lisa and still come out $4 million per annum ahead, if the Daily Mail’s expert number-crunching is to be believed.

    Now if only they could attract a viewer or two to that utterly unwatchable, crap Labor propaganda program!

  230. struth

    It’s almost as if the Las Vegas shooting investigation has been handed to Australian ACL bombing investigators.

  231. stackja

    Mother Lode
    #2527303, posted on October 19, 2017 at 11:13 am
    Waleed is a protected species.

    He and his lot are an introduced species, and a destructive one at that.

    An introduced species is a species living outside its native distributional range, which has arrived there by human activity, either deliberate or accidental. Non-native species can have various effects on the local ecosystem. Wikipedia

  232. struth

    Regarding Wilkinson.
    Live by Victim politics, you could end up the unintended victim.

    Although about money and not sex, just like Whoreywood, it is about hypocrisy and if the good people went to task on this issue, could have a similar effect on these overpaid , talentless attention whores in Australian television, as now affects Hollyweird.

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