Open Forum: October 28, 2018

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  1. Mark A

    Something to add to the God debate. Not exactly in line with the arguments provided but something about faith.
    The raid on Dieppe and the chaplain.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    The BBC is slightly better than the ABC but it still pushes the socialist paradise of high taxes and equalidy. Like the ABC they have a swag of “stars” earning motzas, who have been under scrutiny lately. So today with much delicious deliciousness arrives this story…

    BBC Christmas walk-out fears as stars ‘in tears’ over tax change

    THE BBC could face a mass walk-out by TV stars who could be set to see their pay packets dramatically reduced on Friday.

    Director general Tony Hall is expected to be hit with a tornado of emotion after reports “distressed” presenters have been left in tears and have threatened to leave.

    Self-employed stars who are paid through companies they have set up pay a rate of 20 per cent corporation tax.

    The personal service companies were revealed in 2012, when a report found 124 celebrities were being paid through them.

    Those famous faces reportedly include Alan Shearer, Alex Jones, Huw Edwards, Steve Wright and Vanessa Feltz.

    The BBC caved from pressure by the tax man and wrote to staff to explain they would now tax some workers at source at the full rate – 40 per cent on pay over £45,000 and 45 per cent on anything above £150,000.

    And, the first payment could be backdated meaning some bills will reach tens of thousands.

    Rumours of a Christmas walkout are brewing as stars demand talks with the director general.

    Oh yes, yes please go on strike over Christmas to protest no longer paying half the rate of tax of anyone else. All while forcing them all to pay your wretched salary by the compulsory licence fee.

    Would it be too much to ask the ABC wukkas to go out in sympathy for their BBC bruvvers?

  3. egg_

    Those famous faces reportedly include Alan Shearer, Alex Jones, Huw Edwards, Steve Wright and Vanessa Feltz.

    Who?

  4. Mark A

    egg_
    #2537164, posted on October 30, 2017 at 6:31 am

    Those famous faces reportedly include Alan Shearer, Alex Jones, Huw Edwards, Steve Wright and Vanessa Feltz.

    Who?

    LOL I don’t dare asking “Who” anymore when a celebrity, be it an actor or singer or whatever is mentioned for fear of being labelled a cave dweller.
    You are asking for it egg.

  5. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Islamic State makes chilling warning to attack Prince George at the young Royal’s London school
    ISLAMIC State fanatics have threatened to kill Prince George, warning that “the royal family will not be left alone.”

  6. Mark A

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2537171, posted on October 30, 2017 at 6:45 am

    Islamic State makes chilling warning to attack Prince George at the young Royal’s London school
    ISLAMIC State fanatics have threatened to kill Prince George, warning that “the royal family will not be left alone.”

    Makes you think of the reaction if it happened, God forbid, given the current attitude of the British establishment both political and law and order wise.

  7. Mark A

    Fancy that, an armored train during the Boer war.

  8. OldOzzie

    Turnbull sinks as week of turmoil takes its toll

    Malcolm Turnbull has taken a thumping from voters amid the shock loss of two cabinet ministers and a political storm over union raids, with the government trailing Labor by 46 to 54 per cent as it fights a by-election to hold its majority.

    Voters have marked down the Prime Minister when asked if they are satisfied with his performance, while also cutting the Coalition’s primary vote from 36 to 35 per cent, one of its lowest results for the year.

    But Mr Turnbull has held his lead over Bill Shorten as preferred prime minister, which is unchanged at 41 to 33 per cent, despite the turmoil following the High Court’s decision to disqualify Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce and deputy leader Fiona Nash from parliament.

    The result comes as cabinet ministers accuse Labor of “confected confusion” over the government’s control of the lower house, insisting they will continue to legislate with 75 out of 149 votes in the lower house while Mr Joyce fights a December 2 by-election.

    Education Minister Simon Birmingham told Sky News: “I predict the Labor Party will seek to play all manner of games in the parliament, but the government will get on with its job.”

    Attorney-General George Brandis hit back at Labor suggestions of turmoil in the parliament and countered Labor warnings about legal challenges to the decisions Mr Joyce made as minister when he was not eligible to sit in parliament.

    While Labor has received legal advice on the decisions that could be challenged, its manager of opposition business in the lower house, Tony Burke, said last night the problem was the government’s mistake in not standing Mr Joyce aside rather than the prospect of a Labor challenge to any decision.

    The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, shows the Coalition has lagged Labor by 46 to 54 per cent in two-party terms for three consecutive surveys after weeks of attacking the opposition on energy prices and union power.

    Labor has held its primary vote at 37 per cent but has seen no immediate gain from the series of blows to the government in the past week, including the resignation of a key adviser after Employment Minister Michaelia Cash admitted her office tipped off the media about a police raid on the Australian Workers Union last Tuesday. Voters have shifted against Bill Shorten amid the focus on his time as leader of the AWU, with those satisfied with his performance slipping from 33 to 32 per cent and those dissatisfied growing from 55 to 56 per cent

    Mr Shorten’s net satisfaction rating — the difference ­between those who are satisfied and those who are dissatisfied with his performance — has fallen in the past three surveys from minus 20 to minus 24 percentage points.

    The swing against Mr Turnbull is far more significant, however, with his net satisfaction slumping to minus 28 percentage points in the latest survey, in another display of voter frustration with political leaders. Mr Turnbull suffered a fall in the number of voters who are satisfied with his performance, down from 32 to 31 per cent, and an increase in those who are dissatisfied, up from 56 to 59 per cent in a shift that was outside the margin of error for this poll.

    At 35 per cent, the Coalition’s primary vote has returned to the dire result in February despite government hopes it could stage a recovery through the year.

    The Greens kept their core support at 10 per cent, showing no signs of a voter backlash from the High Court decision to disqualify two of the party’s senators, Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam, who had resigned already.

    Pauline Hanson’s One Nation has kept its primary vote on 9 per cent, with no change following the disqualification of Queensland senator Malcolm Roberts, but the party has slipped since it reached a high of 11 per cent in July.

    Mr Turnbull’s retains his key advantage on leadership, with 41 per cent of voters naming him as preferred prime minister compared to 33 per cent for Mr Shorten, but his lead has slipped since August. The gap between the two leaders is now eight percentage points, down from 11 points one month ago and 17 points in August.

    The Newspoll survey of 1623 voters was taken from Thursday to Sunday, a period with heavy coverage of the calls for Senator Cash to resign and the disqualification of Mr Joyce and Ms Nash, raising questions about the government’s ability to hold a majority in federal parliament.

    All of the changes in this survey were within the margin of error of 2.5 percentage points except for the increase in Mr Turnbull’s dissatisfaction rating, with the overall results cementing Labor’s election-winning lead.

    This is the 22nd consecutive Newspoll in which the Coalition has trailed Labor, a tally that Mr Turnbull set as a benchmark for leadership when he cited the loss of “30 Newspolls in a row” as a reason for challenging Tony Abbott in September 2015.

  9. OldOzzie

    Friday night fights cap off a week of fumbles and folly

    The Turnbull government is misfiring on all cylinders just when it needs to hit the accelerator.

    Whether the problem is the fumbled attack on Bill Shorten or a foolish dispute with the Nationals, the government fails again and again to close the gap with Labor.

    The latest Newspoll is like a political dashboard with every warning light flashing. It is a year since Labor pulled ahead of the Coalition to lead by 52 to 48 per cent in two-party-preferred terms, but the government is unable to find the right mix of policy and politics to pull ahead.

    Malcolm Turnbull and his colleagues are routinely outsmarted by Shorten on political tactics. Last week served up two more examples. The government was so eager to wound the Labor leader that it rushed to get journalists to cover the police raid on the Australian Workers Union, starting a whispering campaign about the media tip-off and finishing with Michaelia Cash misleading the Senate.

    When the High Court disqualified Barnaby Joyce from parliament on Friday, the government struggled to send a clear message about who would be acting prime minister when Turnbull flew to Israel for the Beersheba commemoration in coming days. It was not even clear when Turnbull would depart.

    It is astonishing that senior Nationals, after a court decision they knew to prepare for, put disunity on display by pushing to have interim parliamentary leader Nigel Scullion named acting prime minister when Liberal deputy Julie Bishop was already lined up for the job.

    Is there nothing this Coalition will not bicker about? It said so much that the government would have an argument so big about a matter so small.

    The Friday-night fight, which had ministers and advisers in a frenzy of phone calls, meant that it took until Saturday afternoon for Turnbull to confirm that Bishop would have the role.

    This Newspoll shows that no member of the government or the backbench can blame others for the outcome. The Nationals did better than the Liberals at the last election but regional MPs are now facing a slump of 10 percentage points in the Coalition’s primary vote outside the five capital cities. Finger-pointing will not fix this.

    It is almost 50 years since Harold Holt disappeared at Cheviot Beach and some of the Nationals seem to fancy themselves as modern McEwens, dictating terms to the Liberals in a way that will probably ruin them all.

  10. DrBeauGan

    Dover, I don’t recognise the ‘fifth way’ argument of Aquinas that you mention. Can you summarise it? I feel guilty for asking because I haven’t the energy to meet your perfectly reasonable request fkr details of how the discreteness assumption invalidates the first cause /primum mobile arguments.

  11. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    170,000 bottles at $50 per bottle is $8.5 million in sales. So Diageo paid $1.3 billion for sales of $8.5 million. That’s not profit, but sales! If those idiots are paying up like that for a brand selling $8.5 million of product I would seriously think about shorting the stock. I never realized the deal was so terrible.

    cases JC not bottles. 170000*12*50 = $102m

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  13. DrBeauGan

    Mark A, faith in God has undoubtedly led to some fine acts. That makes another utilitarian argument for belief in God. It doesn’t make me believe He does exist, although it makes me wish He did.

    Sometimes I think existence is over rated. Better to have faith in a God who is at least worthy of it even if He doesn’t exist, than to worship a state whi h does.

  14. John Constantine

    Their nats are now wymynsysed, the whole 50% debacle has sitting nat members fleeing left so they will not be the ones turfed out at preselection time to make way for 50% wymynsys quota.

    Nat branches being stacked by lefty wymynsys activists, all busting to get abc wymynsys presenters selected to occupy the nats for Stalin.

  15. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #2537186, posted on October 30, 2017 at 7:14 am
    Sometimes I think existence is over rated. Better to have faith in a God who is at least worthy of it even if He doesn’t exist, than to worship a state whi h does.

    DrB, I take no part in this dispute.
    Having been trained in science and engineering I have an open mind in all things, but deep inside me I have the feeling that for life the universe and everything the answer being the number 42, is not enough. Good but not complete.
    There must be more to it than that, besides I like pomp and ceremony and the Latin mess.

    Those are the only ones I prefer to attend if available.

  16. John Constantine

    When redfilth slush-gillard predicted that Australia deserved to be ruled by the Real julia, we didn’t understand that for all our sins what we had coming was lady skeletor, julia slush-bishop.

  17. Mark A

    Make that a “MASS” if you please otherwise mess will do.

  18. John Constantine

    Their bishop beats their shorten, with abc supporting bishop.

    Their bishop is slaughtered by whatever lefty wymynsys the left replace shorten with, probably not plibblefilth but an optically selected soft-genocide Stalinst that tests well in the focus groups and has the billion dollar abc bully pulpit froth forth with wymynsys-mania.

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  20. Mark A

    I don’t understand why auto correct overrides perfectly good words?

  21. struth

    You make a really great point.
    You either believe in earthly or unearthly gods.
    The unearthly is not corruptable.
    The earthly gods of government or the annointed are the polar opposite and intent on corrupting the message of the former.

    Hence the absolute vicious bloodlust of the Catholic church in preventing translation of the bible and the ascendance of the world into light when the common man heard the word of their unearthiy god free from the corruption of the annointed.

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  23. A Lurker

    The latest Newspoll is like a political dashboard with every warning light flashing. It is a year since Labor pulled ahead of the Coalition to lead by 52 to 48 per cent in two-party-preferred terms, but the government is unable to find the right mix of policy and politics to pull ahead.

    Banish the Termites to the backbench.
    Stop aping the Socialists and Communists.
    Drag yourselves back to the Conservative Right.
    Implement Conservative Right policies.
    Get rid of the RET.
    Abandon the Paris Agreement.
    Provide incentives to build clean coal-fired power stations.
    Open up exploration for new gas fields.
    State that marriage will remain between a man and a woman.
    That’s just in the first week, get back to me when you want policies for Week 2.

  24. egg_

    Those famous faces reportedly include Alan Shearer, Alex Jones, Huw Edwards, Steve Wright and Vanessa Feltz.

    Are they hosts of a BBC Lifestyle program – “Great Outhouses of Europe” or something?

  25. struth

    Australia is screaming for a Trump economic and national approach but the liberals can only hear the grizzles and bleats from a few communists in a group known as the press gallery.

    UN puppets all have selective hearing disorder.

  26. egg_

    Abandon the Paris Agreement.

    They’re more scared of the UN cabal than they are of Islam.

  27. Mark A

    egg_
    #2537201, posted on October 30, 2017 at 7:48 am

    Abandon the Paris Agreement.

    They’re more scared of the UN cabal than they are of Islam.

    I wonder what the difference is?

  28. egg_

    Hence the absolute vicious bloodlust of the Catholic church in preventing translation of the bible and the ascendance of the world into light when the common man heard the word of their unearthiy god free from the corruption of the annointed.

    A few years back Germaine Greer had an interesting interview with a cleric over interpretation of the Bible, particularly as her major was in French Literature IIRC.

  29. struth

    They’re more scared of the UN cabal than they are of Islam.I wonder what the difference is?

    Exactly.

  30. egg_

    Their bishop is slaughtered by whatever lefty wymynsys the left replace shorten with, probably not plibblefilth but an optically selected soft-genocide Stalinst that tests well in the focus groups and has the billion dollar abc bully pulpit froth forth with wymynsys-mania.

    Pouty Terri Butler?

  31. egg_

    They’re more scared of the UN cabal than they are of Islam.I wonder what the difference is?

    Oz David Karoly being one of their senior clerics.

  32. John Constantine

    Terrimania!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It is her turn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Makes ya sick in the guts.

    Comrades.

  33. Geriatric Mayfly

    Pouty Terri Butler?

    Spends too little time in the House. ‘The member for Griffith will leave under 94a”

  34. struth

    I say that as a confirmed catholic.
    I don’t believe in the bureaucracy of the church, as our current pope proves it is like all bureaucracy, corrupted.

    I don’t go to church and I’m not sure their is a god.
    No one can be.
    I believe in Christian values and recognise they are absolutely and unarguably the foundation of our enlightenment and our western anglosphere nations and the gleeming success of them.

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hey, look what Antifa has allegedly been caught doing:

    EXCLUSIVE: US left wing groups travelled to Germany for the G20 Summit last July to meet with Al qaeda and ISIS leaders and plot the destruction of President Trump, secret FBI investigation reveals

    A secret FBI investigation of the violent ‘resistance’ movement on college campuses against President Trump has led to an alarming discovery—the collusion between American anarchists and foreign terrorists in the Islamic State and Al qaeda, according to a confidential ‘Informational Report’ by FBI field offices.

    ‘One of the men from Oakland traveled to Syria to meet with ISIS; the purpose was for training in tactics, but was thought to be primarily a bonding visit to discuss possible massive disruptive attacks in the U.S.

    You can see why they might want to learn some tactics, since the Antifa kiddies can barely find their balls with both hands (and that’s not counting the trannies).

    h/t BCF

  36. Geriatric Mayfly

    Subsequent to the discussion over recent days, I think the awarding of a DD (Doctor of Divinity) to the most erudite cat is in order. The lucky recipient may call his/herself Doctor if they have Aboriginal heritage.

  37. struth

    I accept.

    Thank you all.

  38. Mark A

    struth
    #2537223, posted on October 30, 2017 at 8:20 am
    I accept.
    Thank you all.

    You are too humble. Shame us all.

  39. notafan

    The ‘bloodlust of the Catholic Church and prevention of the Bible been translated’ is just another lie struth.

    The original Bible was in Aramaic and Hebrew, it was translated into Greek, into Latin, into Syriac and many many other language, in fact into whatever languages were spoken by converts (provided they had a written language).

    How else do you think people converted to Christianity?

    What the church objected to was Bibles falsely ‘translated’
    by people with an agenda.

    Nor did Catholic Church corrupt the Bible but preserved it faithfully for over 1500 years. In fact She created it.

    Christ did not bring us a book, He bought us a church. Christianity is not a variation of Islam, and the bible’s not an earlier iteration of the Quran.

    Christians do not worship a book.

    Why do you persist with presenting falsehoods about the Catholic Church?

    You seem to think writing things makes them true. The printing press gave the bourgeoisie access to the Bible and other books, not the common man working in the field.

    What Luther did is precipitate each man for himself interpretation of the Bible, not only did this start wars between Catholics and Protestants but was responsible for the slaughter of thousands of German Anabaptists by other Protestants (which Luther supported) and the splintering of the Protestant communities into literally thousands of competing sects.

    Why do you think the Puritans went to America?

    Perhaps you should read some actual history instead of continuing to try to stir up trouble with a pack of lies.

  40. srr

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  41. Anthony

    Dutton and Hastie – a copper and a soldier. Works for me.

  42. Tel

    You can see why they might want to learn some tactics, since the Antifa kiddies can barely find their balls with both hands (and that’s not counting the trannies).

    Antifa, ISIS, al Qaeda and the other terrorist groups are all doing the same job: herding the population towards stronger central government for protection. They hate us for our freedom, and they have discovered that terrorism is a highly effective way to remove our freedom.

  43. Tom

    Blair has a frightening post on the mental illness of campus millennials:

    Attention, stupid American baby children. The intact structure shown above within an otherwise destroyed house is an actual safety room designed to protect people from things that can really hurt or even kill them, such as hurricanes and the like.

    It is not a safety room as US students understand the term, which refers to a place where snowflakes go to cry when they hear something frightening, like opinions and ideas.

    RTWT.

    Australian campuses are at least as fucked up as America’s: 80% of whatever is coming out of our unis will be unemployable in the real world and as big a drain on taxpayers as our moozley imports.

  44. struth

    With my new doctorate in erudition bruz, ill now astound you with my proffecy of ‘ow dat Qld election is gunna pan out.
    A much bigger vote to Hanson and the experts left scratching their gender variant balls as to why ex lib votes didn’t automatically go to labor.

  45. Rabz

    Those famous faces reportedly include Alan Shearer, Alex Jones, Huw Edwards, Steve Wright and Vanessa Feltz.

    A soccer player and the infowars bloke. Never heard of the last three.

  46. Rabz

    Given Clooney is loaded, here’s hoping he continues to spend lots of his dosh making terrible movies that no one will watch.

    “Hey potential girlfriend, let’s go and catch the latest George Clooney flick.”

    Said no one, evah.

  47. struth

    Hang on.
    Scratch that proffecy.
    Bloody rainbow serpent sniffing petrol again.
    Mrs Struth just informed me that the libs and one nation would form a coalition.
    FMD.

    She’s not real smart if that is true.

  48. struth

    Hanson that is.
    Not mrs struth.

  49. notafan

    The ‘Bloodlust of the Catholic Church and prevention of the Bible been translated’ is just another lie struth.

    The original Bible was in Aramaic and [email protected], it was translated into Greek, into Latin when that became the vernacular language of Europe, into Syriac and many other languages in fact into whatever language convert happened to speak (provided they had a written language)

    How else do you think people converted to Christianity?

    What the Church objected to was Bibles falsely ‘translated’ by people with an agenda.

    Nor did the Catholic Church and her priests corrupt the Bible rather She preserved it faithfully for over 1500 years. In fact She created it at two of the councils of the 4th Century.

    Christ did not bring us a book, he gave us a church, a community of believers.

    Christianity is not a variation of Islam and the Bible is an earlier iteration of the Quran (although much of the Quran is copied from the Bible)

    Christian’s do not worship a book.

    What Luther did is precipitate each man for himself interpretation of the Bible but only did this start wars between Catholics and Protestants but was responsible for the slaughter of thousands of German Anabaptists by other Protestants and the splitting of a Protestant communities into literally thousands of competing sects.

    Why do you think the puritans went to America?

    Perhaps you should read somr actual history instead of continuely trying to stir up trouble with a pack of lies that appear to have come from a Jack Chick tract.

    You claim to be a Catholic why don’t you learn something from Catholic sources about the church?

    The Catholic encyclopaedias online is an excellent resource.

  50. red breast

    Alan Jones just announced on 2GB that he will be on Q&A tonight with Kevin Rudd.
    I think interruptions will exceed 100 tonight!

  51. notafan

    Probably should be pointed out though it should be obvious that prior to the invention of the printing press all books were written out by hand and consequently very expensive.
    So rather than a deliberate attempt to keep the Bible away from ordinary people there simply wasn’t an option for ordinary people to have their own copies of the Bible, or any other book for that matter.

    Is there any evidence that the Catholic Church prevented the distribution of approved versions of the Bible once the printing press was invented?


    The history of Bible translations into English.

  52. struth

    You took a while notafan.
    I wrote that especially for you and your love of religious bureaucracy.

    Why did over 20000 gather at St Pauls to hear the word of God in their own language?

    I have studied enough of history to know that the catholic church was as corrupt and power hungry and totalitarian as any other bureaucracy during what we used to call the dark ages and to deny it is just tribal stupidly.

  53. Geriatric Mayfly

    The miracle of the King Jame’s Bible is that it was cobbled together by a committee. That it was done so, and so well, is a testament to the complete absence of feminists at the time. .

  54. egg_

    Christ did not bring us a book

    Wasn’t he illiterate, cours de jour of the times?

  55. rickw

    Makes you think of the reaction if it happened, God forbid, given the current attitude of the British establishment both political and law and order wise.

    If such a terrible thing happened, I would hope that the average Brits would go into full civil war mode and purge their country of the goat fuckers and those who have aided and abetted them.

  56. stackja

    Thornton housing estate: Streets too narrow for garbage trucks to collect rubbish
    NATASHA BITA, CHRISTOPHER HARRIS AND KEELY MCDONOUGH, EXCLUSIVE, The Daily Telegraph
    October 30, 2017 6:15am
    Subscriber only
    THE houses are massive but the streets are narrow — and for residents of Penrith’s new Thornton housing estate, that presents a real stinker of a problem.

    The tight turns of the estate’s lanes are preventing garbage trucks from doing what they should — collecting rubbish. In some of the streets, drivers must get down from their cabins and walk across the road to wheel bins back to the truck.

    In others, residents are forced to haul their wheelie bins around the corner to another street just so the trucks can collect them.

  57. srr

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  58. Mark A

    stackja
    #2537253, posted on October 30, 2017 at 9:03 am
    THE houses are massive but the streets are narrow — and for residents of Penrith’s new Thornton housing estate, that presents a real stinker of a problem.

    The tight turns of the estate’s lanes are preventing garbage trucks from doing what they should — collecting rubbish. In some of the streets, drivers must get down from their cabins and walk across the road to wheel bins back to the truck.

    And to think of it, we are talking of the biggest empty land in the world.

  59. struth

    Chritians believe in the word of god.
    It happens to be in a book.

    They believe in what is written in the book.
    Now the pope we have at the moment is a raving left wing loon and most of his bullshit has nothing to do with the bible.
    The bureaucracy of the church is corrupt as it has been with varying degrees over it’s entire existence.
    That doesn’t mean it hasn’t been an overall force for good in the world.
    Better to place your faith in the word of god than old men in robes.

  60. Top Ender

    Alan Jones just announced on 2GB that he will be on Q&A tonight with Kevin Rudd.

    Haven’t watched Q&A for years.

    Haven’t listened to Alan Jones since he got taken off the radio up here for suggesting Gillard be taken out to sea in a bag and sunk.

    I’m presuming he doesn’t like Krudd – is that correct? If there is a good punch-up I might suggest to Mrs TE we break the habit.

  61. stackja

    Christopher Pyne and fellow backstabbers who conspired against Tony Abbott should be driven out of the Liberal Party
    Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph
    October 30, 2017 12:00am
    Subscriber only
    CHRISTOPHER Pyne, the minister for $50 billion retrofitted diesel submarines from France that’ll be ready sometime after most of our current parliamentarians are dead, last week took aim at leftist activist group GetUp!.

    “I think the disappointing thing about GetUp! is that it started with very good intentions and a lot of young people believing it was an agent of change,” Pyne told Sky News.

    “Of course the left can’t help themselves. They had to take it over and run it and use it as a weapon against the non-Labor side of politics and I think that is a pity.”

    Yes. Such a shame. Isn’t it awful when people work to defeat the non-Labor side of politics? You’d never find Christopher doing such a terrible thing.

  62. stackja

    Mark A
    #2537257, posted on October 30, 2017 at 9:08 am
    stackja
    #2537253, posted on October 30, 2017 at 9:03 am
    THE houses are massive but the streets are narrow — and for residents of Penrith’s new Thornton housing estate, that presents a real stinker of a problem.

    The tight turns of the estate’s lanes are preventing garbage trucks from doing what they should — collecting rubbish. In some of the streets, drivers must get down from their cabins and walk across the road to wheel bins back to the truck.

    And to think of it, we are talking of the biggest empty land in the world.

    People want to live in major urban centres.

  63. notafan

    According to the book of struth only people that can read and write and have access to a Bible could ever be Christians.

    All those good and faithful people who both in antiquity and today, could not read and write, people with intellectual disabilities, the blind, they are all to be denied Christ.

    To deny the Church is to deny Christ”s mission, it’s a simple as that.

    The purpose of the ‘bureaucracy’ is to administer the sacraments, to make sure that Christ’s message is not corrupted, most of the time, it works pretty well.

    If you were the Catholic you claim you would know that the Eucharist is central to our beliefs.

    We might have a Pope Francis but before him we had a Pope Benedict and a Pope John Paul the second, I can live with that.

    You just enjoy your invincible ignorance.

  64. Bruce of Newcastle

    Wasn’t he illiterate, cours de jour of the times?

    Luke 4:16-21.

  65. H B Bear

    Alan Jones just announced on 2GB that he will be on Q&A tonight with Kevin Rudd.

    I thought Snowcone did his own fluffing?

  66. stackja

    Rugby League world mourns death of cancer sufferer Matt Callander
    PHIL ROTHFIELD, The Daily Telegraph
    5 minutes ago
    THE rugby league world is mourning the death today of Matt Callander after a long struggle with brain cancer.
    Callander, the former Channel 9 boss of NRL, was the man behind the Beanies for Brain Cancer round this year which raised almost $2 million.
    He was the son of racing legend Kenny Callander.

  67. srr

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago

    Never seen such Republican ANGER & UNITY as I have concerning the lack of investigation on Clinton made Fake Dossier (now $12,000,000?),….

    …the Uranium to Russia deal, the 33,000 plus deleted Emails, the Comey fix and so much more. Instead they look at phony Trump/Russia,….

  68. srr

    President Trump: Investigate Clinton Ties to Russia

    President Donald Trump speaks to reporters before boarding Marine One on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington, Wednesday, Oct. 25, 2017, for a short trip to Andrews Air Force Base, Md. and then on to Dallas. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)

    President Donald Trump’s tweeted on Sunday about the lack of investigation into Hillary Clinton and her ties to a number of scandals.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/29/president-donald-trump-tweets-clintonrussia-ties-investigated/

  69. min

    I am a bit conflicted re tv tonight Liar liar on ABC and Liar on commercial with hunky Welsh actors Ioan Gruffudd

  70. struth

    They can’t read and write and you can tell them the bible says anything you like.

    Shall we go down the road of some of the dark ages popes?

    The rabid defence of the executive by a woman is well understood in the world.
    Men tend to be more able to survive without that security blanket.

    I am your typical aussie catholic.
    Brought up by parents who felt it their duty to take me through the Catholic process and then as is the true blessing of christianity, to then allow me to live my life as I see fit regarding my level of belief.
    I just find that you are basing your belief in the bureaucracy of Catholicism.
    Good on you.
    Whatever floats your boat.
    I don’t have too much more to say on the subject.
    It’s relatively boring to me, but I knew you’d bite.

  71. Baldrick

    Alan Jones just announced on 2GB that he will be on Q&A tonight with Kevin Rudd.

    Jones trying to flog a new book too, is he?

  72. srr

    What a horrible God mocking mobster.
    Typical of all it’s ilk, gallops in on it’s bloody high horse of evil self worship, trampling over those who refuse to put The First Commandment second to worldly powers –

    THERE SHE GOES AGAIN:
    HILLARY SMEARS
    JUDGE ROY MOORE’S *SUPPORTERS*
    WITH IDENTITY POLITICS

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/29/hillary-clinton-anyone-accepts-roy-moores-bigotry-hatred-held-accountable/

  73. They can’t read and write and you can tell them the bible says anything you like.

    And yet we don’t find any evidence of that.

  74. jupes

    Alan Jones just announced on 2GB that he will be on Q&A tonight with Kevin Rudd.

    Jones trying to flog a new book too, is he?

    No, he’s there to bang on about Adani.

  75. Herodotus

    From Lurker above:
    Provide incentives to build clean any coal-fired power stations.

  76. Top Ender

    Letter of the Day in the NT News:

    Time to get tough

    MUCH has been said and more will no doubt come about the Government’s attempt to curb alcohol-related crimes and violence.

    I am 73 years old and am a professional driver of limos and large buses in Darwin and around the NT. I should be retired but cannot afford to.

    Not one day passes without me seeing drunks on the streets, the pavements, the parks or wherever.

    I think to myself, s..t I wish I had the money to get pissed to the eyebrows every day, but then realise that these people are 100 per cent dependent on Centrelink and do not work, most have never had a real job and the majority are unemployable, so our Government is 100 per cent funding these alcoholics! (Does this give that warm feeling in the way my tax is being squandered)!

    No government will ever come up with a solution to this problem, which our Chief Minister stated is costing around $640 million a year, that’s a mere $73 an hour 24/7.

    We all know that they should devise a solution but I have not seen any progress in the 50 years I have lived in the NT, except that billions has been channelled to rectify the problem, without avail.

    My solution is to tear up the Racial Discrimination Act now. Give everyone six months to get a job and if they cannot then give them a chit good for three meals a day if they spend six hours of the day picking up rubbish and doing a community service, take the Basics Card away from them but give them say the equivalent of the price of one packet of cigarettes a week as a treat.

    I can already hear the howling from you do-gooders in the bushes but maybe as you are so against people being homeless then why don’t you, yes you, invite 10 or 20 to stay at your place for the duration and then you will have a rare opportunity to put them on the straight and narrow and you will save us taxpayers $640 million a year!

    Colin Blair

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