This should be a Liberty Quote.

Mr Frydenberg said today that it was “absurd” to accuse him of being a dual citizen given his mother arrived as a stateless person when she fled Europe after the Holocaust.

 

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37 Responses to This should be a Liberty Quote.

  1. egg_

    Who trusts a carbon swindler?

  2. sabena

    Who says she was stateless?Just because it is on a form doesn’t settle the matter.Any investigation by Australian authorities at the time would have been perfunctory at best,

  3. Myrddin Seren

    I have a feeling in my bones that even now the engines are being warmed up for a carpet bombing Bird Strike that would make Curtis LeMay envious…….

  4. zyconoclast

    Why should he get a free pass?

    The there is no mention of Section 44 exemptions because horrible things may have happened to his parents/grandparents.

  5. cynical1

    How many refugees are dual citizens?

    Quite a few seem to return home for holidays.

    They tell me Lebanon is nice in summer.

    Don’t know about Hungary…

  6. Robber Baron

    Oh Josh. No one believes a word you say. Your career is over. Go away.

  7. candy

    The thing is, like Stephen Parry he was hiding the issue for months.

    What is wrong with an audit, if they are confident the paperwork is okay. It would settle matters
    once and for all, in an official way.

  8. Dr Fred Lenin

    An audit would dig out the grubs in the union mafia party ,bet there are a few nationality frauds there ,you notice I said nationality frauds. We all know they are all frauds in every other way. Career politics , the refuge of the useless incompetents .
    . .

  9. Driftforge

    An audit should be made a matter of course for every politician entering parliament. Simple due process. Arguably, every candidate for election to parliament should be subject to an audit upon their nomination, which audit should be completed prior to the election date.

    Its a simple enough matter in the count to ignore any votes for people found ineligible.

  10. a happy little debunker

    If Barnaby can be chucked out because his father was benevolently assigned foreign citizenship, whilst residing as a citizen in Australia – then Josh is going to hell, in a handbasket!

  11. Roger

    Alas, I think Frydenberg may be on safe ground; it seems he is entitled to apply for Hungarian citizenship after 1993 reforms enacted with people and their descendants displaced by the war in mind, but he would have to take the intitiative to do so and he would have to speak Hungarian.

  12. mh

    This is a Liberty Quote:

    The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented.

    US President Donald Trump

  13. jonesy

    Josh, careful! You are using the same argument as the asylum shoppers…Im stateless because I do not have any ID!!! Your mum may have been stateless in 1951 because of where Hungary was and what was going on there at the time…but now, the world is a different place and your mum can now associate with the modern Hungary…especially how they treat asylum shoppers.

    Having said that…a weaponised s44 will be the downfall of anyone running for Fed parliament if you are lazy about your heritage. I still cannot see how the current black and white literal interpretation is the same intent as in 1901.

  14. H B Bear

    I still cannot see how the current black and white literal interpretation is the same intent as in 1901.

    I can.

  15. Nathan

    Best Liberty Quote worthy comment I have seen recently was in the comments section of The Oz a day or so ago and was authored by a Maria I think (apologies to the author if I have messed that up.)

    The comment was ‘The Liberal Party is going to be buried in a Pyne box.’

  16. notafan

    Joel’s point is good enough.

    He’s not Hungarian.

  17. True Aussie

    I very much doubt Frydenberg’s claim that his mother was stateless will stand up to scrutiny.

  18. Art Vandelay

    Frydenberg should be tarred, feathered and run out of town for what he’s done to the energy market, not to mention imposing taxes on low value imports. I doubt many people will shed any tears if he turns out to be ineligible.

  19. Roger

    I very much doubt Frydenberg’s claim that his mother was stateless will stand up to scrutiny.

    I’m fairly certain J3ws in Hungary didn’t have citizenship rights. In fact the Hungarian government, which was rabidly antisemitic, introduced its own version of the Nuremberg laws c.1938, so she was most likely stateless after the war, along with millions of others.

  20. max

    [The power of government] covers the surface of so­ciety with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power… does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, until each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and hard-working animals, of which the government is the shepherd.’ – Alexis De Tocqueville

    It would seem as if the rulers of our time sought only to use men to make things great; I wish that they would try a little more to make great men; that they would set less value on the work and more on the workman; that they would never forget that a nation cannot long re­main strong when every man be­longing to it is individually weak; and that no form or com­bination of social policy has yet been devised to make an ener­getic people out of a community of pusillanimous and enfeebled citizens. – Alexis De Tocqueville

    https://www.garynorth.com/public/17327.cfm

  21. Silly question, or, maybe not so silly.
    If an Australian female (bonafide female, not genderfluid, lezo, or any other freak) get raped by a foreign national, say New Zealand Maori, who is New Zealand citizen, and that insemination produce an offspring, would that offspring be deemed New Zealand citizen under S44?

  22. Jock

    The blockchain phenomena has hit the big time. Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has written about it on his blog. He is a big fan.

  23. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well at least he didn’t say it was antisemitic.
    Let’s try and stay positive, people.

  24. AC

    The interview and language requirement for Hungarian citizenship is for Hungarians who no longer reside within Hungarian territory due to all the land that was taken from them as a result of the wars (e.g. Croatia, Romania, Slovakia etc).

    From Googling the embassy website, it says it passes by descent but you need to submit documentation and register. There is a passage in the Re Canavan judgment (regarding Italy) which has a similar system, where the HCA says that where citizenship passes on indefinitely you need to take steps to activate it in order for it to count – so on that logic Frydenberg wouldn’t have activated his Hungarian citizenship and would therefore be safe. Same with his mother.

  25. struth

    You can’t get a job flying a plane if you are blind.

    You can’t get a job as a representative in the Australian parliament as a dual citizen.
    That’s the law.

    If you are too stupid to find out what the job you are applying for requires before your application, you shouldn’t be in the position.
    If you knew and went ahead anyway, lying on your CV, you should be in Jail, because this isn’t just lying on your CV, this is breaking the law.
    In any case, you will be required to pay back all monies falsely claimed by you in salary and benefits, as happens to others.

  26. struth

    Silly question, or, maybe not so silly.
    If an Australian female (bonafide female, not genderfluid, lezo, or any other freak) get raped by a foreign national, say New Zealand Maori, who is New Zealand citizen, and that insemination produce an offspring, would that offspring be deemed New Zealand citizen under S44?

    If they went for a job in Parliament.
    This has nothing to do with citizenship.
    So if you did not renounce your NZ citizenship, you can’t be a pollie.
    It’s not hard.

  27. Tel

    Who says she was stateless?Just because it is on a form doesn’t settle the matter.Any investigation by Australian authorities at the time would have been perfunctory at best,

    In the case of some members of my family they were issued by the UN little books that appeared a bit like passports but on close inspection said something along the lines of “This person is stateless and we would appreciate if their host country would do the right thing.”

    Back in the day, the UN carried a certain amount of moral authority and these little books were something to carry around if you didn’t have anything better.

  28. Jannie

    This has all gone from silly to idiotic.

  29. zyconoclast

    I still cannot see how the current black and white literal interpretation is the same intent as in 1901.

    It is what it is.

    I hope the pollies try a change in S44 of the Constitution at the next federal election.
    I want to see it crash and burn 90% against. Then it will be plain to everyone what the voters think.

  30. Snoopy

    The Libs and the ALP are absolutely disgraceful. On one hand they suggest that a more reasonable wording of s.44 of the Constitution should be put to a referendum. But on the other hand they refuse an audit which would potentially highlight ridiculous consequences of the existing wording and help sway the electorate to support change.

    Why? Because an audit would expose their monstrous lies that an audit would expose nothing.

  31. Snoopy

    The longer an audit is denied the more likely people will resist change to s.44. People will regard the destruction caused by an audit as just desserts.

  32. Pedro the Ignorant

    Snoopy has nailed it.

    The elite are dead against any audit of Federal politician’s citizenship status.

    Methinks there are likely to be many, many more under a cloud, and an effective audit would see a very long dole queue in Canberra.

    Won’t happen of course, the weasels will find some activist judge somewhere (I’m looking at you, Mordy J) to subvert the Constitution.

  33. Tel

    The longer an audit is denied the more likely people will resist change to s.44. People will regard the destruction caused by an audit as just desserts.

    If there was any government that Australians in general felt they could afford to lose, it would be this one.

  34. serene tiger

    “There are only two ways this mess can be resolved. One is that both Turnbull and Shorten agree to an audit. (Very unlikely.) The other way involves the AEC which is an independent statutory authority, and the High Court.”

    “This matter is well within the purview of the Australian Electoral Commission which has a wide responsibility for, and conducts, Federal elections and referenda.”

    “Their responsibility also extends to the eligibility of those registering to stand in an election. That is part of their bloody job!”

    http://pickeringpost.com/

  35. Leo G

    This matter is well within the purview of the Australian Electoral Commission which has a wide responsibility for, and conducts, Federal elections and referenda.

    If so, which law gives the AEC power to give legal advice to candidates, or verify nomination declarations?
    What legislation provides the criteria, based on s44, which the AEC should use for verifications?
    The present government, like its predecessors, would rather give unconstitutional executive powers to the High Court than take responsibility itself through the AEC.
    The implication is that governments want to have some MPs with undeclared foreign allegiances.

  36. BorisG

    Who says she was stateless?Just because it is on a form doesn’t settle the matter.Any investigation by Australian authorities at the time would have been perfunctory at best,

    you mean she lied so that her son can be elected?

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