Profoundly undemocratic, even racist

The Prime Minister is right to reject the recommendation from the Referendum Council to establish a constitutionally enshrined indigenous advisory body. It is a profoundly anti-democratic and even racist concept.

The sophistry of proponents who claim it is not a ‘third chamber’ of Parliament because it would be ‘advisory’ is brazen.

Look at the reaction to the Prime Minister’s rejection of the Referendum Council’s advice – he has been branded a ‘liar’ by Noel Pearson and pressure is being brought to bear to ensure the advice is taken up. In other words, the Government and Parliament should automatically adopt the recommendations of the Referendum Council.

Well a constitutionally enshrined indigenous advisory body would be the Referendum Council on steroids. It would give advice and woe betide any Government or the House or Senate that refused to heed the advice. The body’s advice would be of the form the Prime Minister gives to the Governor General – an order disguised as advice.

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35 Responses to Profoundly undemocratic, even racist

  1. jonesy

    Constitutionally enshrined is code for ATSIC gravy train that cannot be disbanded…no matter how corrupt or nepotistic it gets.

  2. jonesy

    LQC, yes, our darker brethren were pretty hard done by under the constitution. Time and referenda have changed this. In fact! I would like to see ANY situation where Aborigines are excluded because of race. ANY exclusion from any education institution…I contend our current system bends over backwards to accommodate any member of our “First Nations”…we are all Australian! This apartheid has to stop!

  3. Tel

    The entire Parliament as it stands is “advisory”… to the Governor General.

  4. H B Bear

    Aboriginal Industry overreach. Stick to the usual MO. Keep moving the goal posts while claiming the next change will actually make a difference despite 40 years of post-Whitlam history saying otherwise. Now, where’s me Landcruiser I’ve got to head off to the the QANTAS Club and another round of consultation.

  5. struth

    The whole proposal is being put forward by undemocratic racists so there should be no surprise.

    Hasn’t got a snowflake’s chance in hell of getting up in a referendum.
    They’re trying to bypass democracy and entrench racism.

  6. Hark!
    I hear the sounds of another feeding trough being constructed for our darker skinned brothers and sistas.
    I wonder if they have noticed the gibbet above their heads?

  7. amortiser

    In 1973 under Whitlam and Gordan Bryant, the ALP set up the National Aboriginal Consultative Committee (NACC), an elected body. In his review of the Dept of Aboriginal Affairs, the Auditor General found it to be riddled with waste and unaccountability.

    Gordan Bryant was removed and replaced by Jim Cavanagh who disbanded the NACC and replaced it with the National Aboriginal Congress.. This was also a costly failure and disbanded. It was replaced by another advisory body, The Aboriginal Development Commission (ADC). This body was again riddled by waste and ineffectiveness so it was replaced by the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders Commission (ATSIC).

    ATSIC was another elected body which inevitably turned into a bureaucratic disaster, riddled by waste and fraud.

    There have been four advisory bodies tried in the past and all have monumentally failed so now they are proposing another one and one that will be permanently entrenched. What could possibly go wrong?

  8. Roger

    Scrap the aboriginal industry and distribute welfare on a needs basis, not a race basis.

    Put that to a plebiscite.

  9. Greg

    Bring on the referendum and watch a stake driven through its heart. Would Labor have the guts to bring this to a vote?

  10. stackja

    Aug 23, 2016 – Indigenous affairs spending worth 5.9 billion a year is not delivering results…

  11. Blair

    “Our children are aliened from their families at unprecedented rates. This cannot be because we have no love for them. And our youth languish in detention in obscene numbers. They should be our hope for the future.
    These dimensions of our crisis tell plainly the structural nature of our problem. This is the torment of our powerlessness.
    We seek constitutional reforms to empower our people and take a rightful place in our own country.
    When we have power over our destiny our children will flourish. They will walk in two worlds and their culture will be a gift to their country.”
    ULURU STATEMENT FROM THE HEART

  12. JC

    ‘At least 27 people killed’ at a Texas church and multiple people injured – including a two-year-old child – after a gunman in full combat dress opens fire during the service

    FMD

  13. Allen

    There is already a council at which they can advise and counsel, it is called The Parliament of Australia.
    All they have to do is to continue to make ads like this and to get their brethren to vote for them.

    https://youtu.be/r9DWep5G4BY

  14. Amadeus

    The tail wagging the dog. Does anyone really take Pearson seriously anymore? I’d have thought the aboriginal industry fat cats have purloined enough of the (now) hundreds of billions of dollars poured into that industry since Whitlam to enrich themselves and their blackfella mates. Will the wingeing and appeasement money flow ever stop? And people complain about moslems not integrating. As a taxpaying white Australian of European birth, I’m sick to death of the seemingly endless grab.

    I’m in my 70s, came to Australia as a post war refugee – my family worked its way out of poverty. We’re still paying our own way, no pension nor interested in a pension. Will work until I drop, ever thankful to Australia for accepting us despite our destitution.

    Australia is still the luckiest country on the planet if only enough people realised that – trouble is there are too many leeches and not enough doing the heavy lifting. The virtuous rent seekers need to grow a spine and a work ethic.

  15. stackja

    At what point does aboriginality end?

    An Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander is a person of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent who identifies as an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and is accepted as such by the community in which he (she) lives.

  16. EvilElvis

    I’m all for helping our black brothers out, a hand up, not constitutionally. And, by ‘black brothers’ I mean full blooded Aboriginals. That cuts out 90 percent of the urban dwelling, self identifying, shit stirring scum. If you are of mixed heritage identify as you wish but you will get nothing from the taxpayer apart from the base benefits afforded everyone else. Your forbears at some point have moved on from your culture by having mixed relationships, you have nothing to claim whitey.

  17. Black Ball

    I am Aboriginal and I don’t for the life of me see any benefits of having any council advise anyone on anything. PM Turnbull is as dumb as they come and will look to us as a bloc of votes that he needs to retain Government. If he is serious about holding his tenure as PM, then he must look to President Trump as a blueprint. Ditch identity politics. Hold fast against media onslaughts but because he is a darling of the Left, that is unlikely. As has been noted before here, this is just another gravy train and serious misuse of taxpayers’ money. And don’t get me started on Ayers Rock either. Rant over.

  18. Louis

    Advisory??
    It would matter what you said it was because the courts will turn it into something else within a year.

  19. Louis

    Advisory??
    It wouldn’t matter what you said it was because the courts will turn it into something else within a year.
    And I suppose Aboriginal people would not vote in other legislative bodies, or just have this extra vote to everyone else?

  20. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    Intellectuals rarely enter professional politics and still more rarely conquer responsible office. But they staff political bureaus, write party pamphlets and speeches, act as secretaries and advisers, make the…politician’s…reputation….In doing these things they…impress their mentality on almost everything that is being done.

    — Joseph Schumpeter

  21. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From amortiser at 8:51 am:

    “In 1973 under Whitlam and Gordan Bryant, the ALP set up the National Aboriginal Consultative Committee (NACC), an elected body. In his review of the Dept of Aboriginal Affairs, the Auditor General found it to be riddled with waste and unaccountability.

    … replaced it with the National Aboriginal Congress. … a costly failure and disbanded. … replaced by … Aboriginal Development Commission … again riddled by waste and ineffectiveness … replaced by the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders Commission (ATSIC).

    ATSIC was … a bureaucratic disaster, riddled by waste and fraud.

    There have been four advisory bodies tried in the past and all have monumentally failed so now they are proposing another one and one that will be permanently entrenched. What could possibly go wrong?”

    Each of them thrust forward … ummm … extraordinary leaders such as snarling Larry Perkins; growling Geoff Clark with his curled lip and shared past with Big L’il Billie Short ‘Un as a person of interest to the coppers; Mansell (all blue-eyed blond), the fat sheila with the big hat who flew about the debil-debil white world attending meetings in big cities; and Pearson, who tried being civil for a while but couldn’t keep up the charade.

    I recall three ATSIC commissioners – O’Shane, Robinson – hauled in for questioning about rape allegations, and a couple of them being caught pinching money. It took John Howard near a decade to have this abomination closed down – even then, as common thieves, they walked out with the artwork.

    They have a few other first nationses peopleses who will need something important to play with in time – Nova Peris Kneetrembler – a Senator-ette, no less … for about two and a bit weeks; the ALP’s-AFL’s most treasured racist (but not the Scots ½, which is racist against Poms); and sTAN Grant who is beloved of the people who have forgotten he ditched his black-white missus for a white-white missus.

  22. ian3029

    snarling Larry Perkins should perhaps be snarling Charley Perkins

  23. overburdened

    There will be no end to this. As mentioned by a contributor on another thread previously, the numbers of apparently aboriginal people in Oz has exploded since the numbers identified by Arthur Phillip. Of course in those times the majority of the population were indeed aboriginal, unlike the cherry pickers today (such as Adam Goodes, Stan Grant, some chick that looks Scandinavian standing for the Greens) who are happy to embrace all the benefits of contemporary society and need an excuse for the miserable failure of the indolent remnants of a failed subsistence, technically unsophisticated race whose viability as a nation was done before the white fellas turned up. It is noted that none of these people are interested in living in a National Park with no mod cons and living off the land.
    To quote the elegant observation re the inherent unfairness of life, not all people have the same capacity. The carpetbaggers and chancers who carry on about the unfortunate aborigine forget that Oz is not many other Countries where this shit peddling would not be tolerated let alone funded by the good old taxpayer, provided with obscene amounts of resources for practically no benefit and be allowed to ignore all of the data to blame the often short and brutish lives of part of the aboriginal community on whitey.
    As long as people have the fig leaf of historical wrongs to cover their lack of initiative and imagination, their indolence and criminality; they will be condemned by sane people who get on with their lives, powered by hybrid vigour, to make their own way.
    Naturally, those that get on with it are coconuts. Envy is an awful thing. What a pathetic way to live one’s life- blubbering, bludging and biting the hand that feeds them.

  24. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From ian3029 at 11:22 am:

    “snarling Larry Perkins should perhaps be snarling Charley Perkins”

    Oh dear, you are right and I do apologise – one was an elite professional racing driver, “powered by hybrid vigour” (thank you overburdened above) and the other reminds me of the observation “a monkey in silk is a monkey no less”.)

  25. mareeS

    Our son identifies as indigenous in the Top End because that’s how you get the best work in mining. He is able to do so because my mother’s brother’s wife (my aunt Audrey) and my cousins were ratified as members of the NSW Awabakal tribe, even though the spouse and I have not a skerrick of indigenous genetics.

    That’s what a racket this indigenous game is.

  26. mareeS

    PS, he gets endorsed by the blackest of blackfellas even though he is blond-haired and hazel-eyed. Just enough olive in the skin tone.

  27. Boambee John

    stackja at 0958

    and is accepted as such by the community in which he (she) lives.

    All very well for those who live in a predominantly aboriginal community.

    However, for those whose “community” is a major centre with few residents claiming to be aboriginal, then does the rejection (non-acceptance) by that community of aboriginal status for the Michael Mansells and such like count?

  28. Boambee John

    EvilElvis

    The expression ” the community in which he (she) lives” would seem to allow such a distinction to be made. It does not refer to a particular indigenous group with which a claimant might be linked, so if they don’t live within that indigenous commu ity, then their non-indigenous community seems to be able to reject their claim.

  29. Kneel

    “I would like to see ANY situation where Aborigines are excluded because of race. ”

    There is none, as you well know.
    They don’t want equality – they already have MORE than that!
    They want power, and preferably something that can’t be taken away.

  30. Robbo

    Get with the program LQC. Only white people can be racists. If you are black, brown , yellow or a colour in between any of those you can say and do anything you like without having to worry about being tagged with a label.

  31. Kneel

    “Would Labor have the guts to bring this to a vote?”

    Again and again and again….
    until you so tire of it, that you vote to allow it, just to shut the dickheads up.
    Works every time.

  32. Kneel

    “Get with the program LQC. Only white people can be racists. If you are black, brown , yellow or a colour in between any of those you can say and do anything you like without having to worry about being tagged with a label.”

    Well, aside from the last bit. Of course you’ll be tagged with a label – as a hero! As an SJW! A good guy!
    Don’t you know that racial equality means you MUST take account of a persons skin colour? That it’s racist NOT to? You are denying them their heritage if you don’t! Such is the current state of play, and these morons are serious.

  33. Squirrel

    Amortiser’s potted history at 8.51am says it all – the only thing different this time around is that the talk is now of First Nations (because we just lerve most things American, except Trump, of course).

  34. Another old bloke

    Can you imagine what an advisory body would look like? Yes, OK, all of the previous “advisory bodies”.

    Now, can you imagine what would happen to a government the first time it chose NOT to accept the advice of its Aboriginal advisory body?

  35. Boambee John

    Old Bloke

    Now, can you imagine what would happen to a government the first time it chose NOT to accept the advice of its Aboriginal advisory body?

    Which the government just did.

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