Wednesday Forum: October 8, 2017

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  1. Gab

    Frollickingmole, are you on the Twitter?

  2. JC

    thefrolickingmole
    #2548987, posted on November 10, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    For the electric car there should be a basic “Volkswagen” city type, maybe 200km radius battery (think mighty boy style) as cheap as possible.
    And for it to be sold as such, unapologetically, “this will get you to work and back for $5 a day” type advertising.
    Pair up with a hire car mob with guaranteed low hire rates for longer trips and you have a saleable package.

    Mole, I don’t think we’re that far off. Mini is coming out with an electric model in the very near future. This will be the market segment that you’re talking about.

    A couple of weeks ago I bought a decent load of stock in this lithium producer in Chile that i have trading in and out of for the past decade or so. I think it could be getting to investment grade now because we could be at the cusp of a leap into electric city cars. When I heard the mini is coming out with a full electric model, my ears cricked up that got me back into SQD.

  3. cohenite

    Except that now, WAPOL has taken it upon itself to no longer recognise AusPost as an “authorised carrier” for firearms, propellants etc. Just like that. Boom, gone. No-one else wants the job because of the red tape involved and the cost of becoming “authorised”. And it’s not just WA.

    Trying to verify that BoN; do you have a link?

  4. These things are built to a price and timeline so assuming 10 years is a little delusional. If it fails at 7 1/2 years say they put a new one in and you get refunded prorata 1/2 year.

    I reckon there will be a clause buried in the fine print about battery life, Makka. For the kind in use, battery service life is not measured in time, but in charge/discharge cycles. Based 0n 500klm, if I owned one of these cars it would only need a recharge once a month. If my son and DiL owned one, it would need a recharge every second or third day. Then there’s other battery charge eating factors, like lights and heating/air conditioning.

    I reckon the fine print will fix the eight year warranty as just indicative of the average of ‘X’ number of recharge cycles in that period. The actual warranty period will be based directly on the number of recharges, independent of time, but with an eight year maximum.

  5. JC

    And dont forget retards in government have already announced “ban” dates for anything but electric in some citys/states…

    That means a huge wad of government contracts for top of the line models coming up.

    Look, I don’t give a rats about petrol or electric engines, But I feel strongly this is potentially a huge tech change in the world. And sure government interference is helping it along, but you can’t ignore it.

  6. Nick

    Strange that Manus ‘refugees’ refusing to move to improved accomodation owing to a ‘fear of what locals will do to them’ aren’t accused of racism, as you know whites would be.

  7. Snoopy

    The motor is small and very uncomplicated looking. Petrol engines these days are extremely expensive and very very complex because of all the anti pollution shit they have to attach to them too.

    So why does a Tesla x cost $220K? It should be free if delivered in 100 days.

  8. Makka

    JC,

    Yes I hear you. The big expenses in an electric car are the copper going into it and the battery life/changeout costs. Copper is behaving very strongly and this will tend to offset some gains in economies of scale. That still leaves the battery life/costs. Then there is the depreciation question and resale values.

    If (when?) technology allows for commercial zinc based batteries then this could well be the price point game changer which will see the kind of price drops in both sticker and running costs to get them mainstream.

    Copper+Zinc…. vroooo00000MMMM.

  9. thefrolickingmole

    Gab

    No, no twatter for me Gab, Im incoherent without any character limit…

  10. cohenite

    Serena at the Pub

    #2548991, posted on November 10, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    “The High Court has recognised that there will almost never be a circumstance where two partners have equal bargaining power in a relationship,” said family lawyer Heather McKinnon from law firm Slater and Gordon.
    “Essentially, the court has said that commercial principles of contract law have no place regulating the financial matters of the parties in an intimate relationship.”
    Mr Carmont said the outcome was one of the most satisfying he had ever experienced.
    “This is the biggest moment in my legal career. This is a momentous decision,” he said.

    He’s making it up about the emboldened part.
    What the court actually said was that a contract signed under duress ain’t an enforceable contract.
    Very different to what Mr. Carmont is saying (as he pleasures himself with a strainer post.)

    I wondered about this too. If the HC is saying a prenup is not relevant because it depicts a power inequality between the parties than that is ridiculous because that is the purpose of a prenup: to protect that inequality in favour of the party who has greater equality. The HC was reported as saying it was the timing and method of executing the prenup rather than the prenub itself but that’s the msm so who knows.

  11. Joe

    DrBG:

    A lot of waffle signifying I know mathematics and you don’t so my opinion is worth more than yours.

    The big bang was a singularity and there was no prior time or state. So there is no intelligible way of answering the question ‘where did the universe come from?’ or ‘what caused the big bang?’ Saying it came out of nothing is just another way of saying this.

    So “no intelligible way…” is the same sort of arm waving that atheists use to poo poo the concept of GOD. Can we read that physicists/mathematicians agree there is a GOD because the answer to the question of the universes origin is beyond them?

  12. Snoopy

    But I feel strongly this is potentially a huge tech change in the world.

    Where’s the electricity going to come from?

  13. rickw

    Look, we’re all soothsaying here and the future is hard to predict, but what I think is obvious is that the cost of producing an electric car will drop dramatically with economies of scale when you consider how simple the engine is to build.

    I think the fundamental issue is battery cost. Electric motors are cheap, the control circuitry getting cheaper. There is however the built in inefficiency of battery weight. Liquid fuels are a bloody good thing in terms of energy per unit weight.

  14. JC

    Snoopy

    Coal and gas plants I hope.

  15. Bruce in WA

    Trying to verify that BoN; do you have a link?

    ‘Twas me, not BoN

    Try here.

  16. rickw

    Look, I don’t give a rats about petrol or electric engines, But I feel strongly this is potentially a huge tech change in the world. And sure government interference is helping it along, but you can’t ignore it.

    Where is the underlying tech breakthrough? Lithium batteries happened quite some time ago.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    This is so remote from our experience it is hard to deal with and natural language fails miserably. For those who think only in natural language, my advice is to give up and stop wasting your time trying to understand it. The advice of well meaning physicists is best ignored. Trying to burble comforting nonsense is not doing a kindness.

    DrBeau – Now consider that a full understanding of Christian principles is as difficult for a layman like yourself as it is for a layman to understand cosmology. You need to grasp the spiritual technology of the Bible to understand the meaning of Jesus Christ’s actions. For example just about everything he said or did as recorded in the gospels is an overt fulfilment of a prophesy or principle outlined in the Old Testament. Probably hundreds of them, certainly many dozens. Calvary is like the Big Bang – the spiritual equation goes to infinity like the graph y = x^-2 and comes down again afterwards.

    Furthermore if you study the Bible deeply you will glimpse the different natural laws of the metaphysical place where God is, wherever it is. Time especially operates differently. Spiritual operations have tantalizing rules. We don’t have much to go on because the Bible isn’t intended to be a textbook of spiritual mechanics, it’s a manual for how not to go to Hell.

    On the other hand the top level message is very simple, like e = mc2 is very simple. Believe Jesus Christ and you will be forgiven your sins. Understanding what e = mc2 means is complex. Likewise understanding Jesus Christ’s actions in all their depth is complex.

    I’ve been studying the Bible for longer than I’ve been studying science, and I’m good at science with a reasonable swag of publications in my field. The Bible operates on an analogous complexity to the mathematics of space-time as you describe. But different, like trying to explain quantum theory to a bunch of scholars in AD 30. You’d have to study it seriously to determine whether what I say is the case. I can only use words like you were using words to describe cosmology since there is no body of spiritual mathematics for me to draw upon.

    (I admit I’ve read more about the standard model than space-time cosmology because I’m a chemist not a physicist. 😀 )

  18. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    But there was no space prior to the big bang and no prior time.
    This is so remote from our experience it is hard to deal with and natural language fails miserably. For those who think only in natural language, my advice is to give up and stop wasting your time trying to understand it.

    I don’t see that this is ‘unhandlable’, you just need poetry. 🙂
    And mysticism about consciousness, human or otherwise. It is an agnostic position about unknowability, immanence, which of course can never ‘be’, because it is unknowable. Better to accept a sort of humility about ‘big things – spatial universes”, ‘small things – quarks” and ‘measurement’ of any kind (i.e. space and time, within which reason exists); even mathematics fail you in this humility; relativity is not relative to ‘no thing’ even if it takes you there, which it can’t, because ‘no thing’ is god, or nothing at all, when paradoxically nothing has to be something before we can linguistically conceptualise nothing. Mathematicising it may be comfortable because it takes you out of thought, but even mathematical thought is constructed within parameters of our own making, we just think there is an inevitability there.

    And there’s the rub.
    When you start
    to pull this all apart,
    it ends up looking
    like the above.

    I prefer proper poetry. 🙂

    Hey, this morning I learned a new dance routine; much more fun.

    Another black-sailed enormous Maxi Yacht just going by Watson’s Bay now. Stunning.

  19. Snoopy

    Where is the underlying tech breakthrough? Lithium batteries happened quite some time ago.

    Robot Congolese?

  20. marcus classis

    Fisky:

    Brett W, Zulu has failed to distance himself from allegations that he served with an apartheid-allied paramilitary group in SA or a neighbouring country. He has boasted of “training” people with AK47s, but it is a curious omission as to which theatre he would have trained them. Obviously not in Australia, so the question is, where?

    Hmm. So if I make an entirely bogus allegation that you are in reality a white slaver for the Caliphate, provider of little blonde catamites that you kidnap from the streets of Sydney, “and you fail to distance yourself from these allegations,” then it’s true??

    Are you actually serious? You have to be taking the mickey.

    He also made claims that he was in SA teaching “recruits” the use of AK47s and also said the other side used the same weapons.

    Prove it. I’ve never seen that post by ZK2A.
    You make the accusation, you prove your accusation.

    As for AK’s, sheesh. Ever been to the school of bloody infantry at Singleton? Guess what, they have OPFOR weapons. They do (or used to) demo fires during training because they sound different to ours and that’s a tactically essential thing for to know.
    I’ve fired them because the opportunity was there and it’s fun: and army I was not.
    Also guess what, all militaries do this.
    You picked up that he’s a retired wheat farmer from WA? Guess where the smart Saffies out of the first wave settled?. Half the wheat farmers in WA are smart saffies who got the hell out early and set up there.

    As for AK’s and all their variants, they are common as mud in all of Eurasia, the subcontinent, south America, Africa and the USA. Where American companies are now making really nicely buiot ones. Some of the recent Paris terrorists used the things because they are ubiquitous.

    BrettW:

    So JC and Fisky is this something we can expect from you each evening ? Should be fun for all. I am sure JC, being an original and much respected Cat (sarc), will tell us this forum was set up by Sinc just for this kind of purpose

    It’s SOP for JC, BrettW, remember the annoyingly immature seven year old in the primary school playground who said he knew everyone and everything? The little boy conspiracy theorist? That’s how infantile the poor old dementia-addled crackpot has become. It’s why I just don’t read his immature, juvenile drivel. I prefer to talk with adults. I am actually surprised Fisky’s been taken in by JC’s lies and conspiracy theories.

    And at some point the ancient boychild will pull his usual ‘just admit my lies about you are all correct and I’ll never mention it again schtick’ too. So predictable and pathetic.

    The poor old soul’s got dementia. It’s getting worse.

  21. Oh come on

    If you do not laugh uproariously at the woman screaming at the sky in this following clip, you must have a heart of stone:

    Skip to 2mins 45sec.

    It only goes for about 10 seconds. Funniest damn thing I’ve seen all week – I particularly like it how she kicks it up a notch at the end!

  22. H B Bear

    Strange that Manus ‘refugees’ refusing to move to improved accomodation owing to a ‘fear of what locals will do to them’ aren’t accused of racism, as you know whites would be.

    I expect the country shoppers on Manus Island have very well grounded fears on what the locals will do to them given the opportunity. Don’t expect the ALPBC or the Refugee Industry to report on why any time soon though.

  23. thefrolickingmole

    Strange that Manus ‘refugees’ refusing to move to improved accomodation owing to a ‘fear of what locals will do to them’ aren’t accused of racism, as you know whites would be.

    Similar to the reason they didnt settle some of the shitheads in Port Hedland, a fair number would have been in quite justified fear of being run down like the pigs they were by people they had assaulted.

    I had it confided in me by one ex officer the only reason he wasnt in jail for murder was a supervisor rounding the corner at the critical moment.

  24. Myrddin Seren

    From Brendan O’Neill in the UK Speccie:

    The political class has lost the plot

    And I was worried it was just me who thought the inbreeds of the Professional Political Class were plumbing new depths of incompetence.

    It increasingly feels like we’re being governed not merely by fools and incompetents, but by nutters.

    Amen, Brother Brendan.

    I can’t remember a time in my life when the political class has felt so disconnected not only from everyday people, but from sense itself.

    They are going to retreat behind walls, armed guards and bollards of peace – and disconnect from society. They will be wondering what is out there in the dark and cold of blacked out cities, from their nice warm, well-lit official compounds.

  25. Gab

    BREAKING NEWS🇺🇸🇺🇸 Rumor has it that Beth, a reporter WAPO offered women $1000 to accuse Roy Moore of sexual misconduct. The conversation has been taped & photographed?! The Co-DA of Etowah VA has been notified. We will see how this story plays out

    It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if this turned out to be true.

  26. stackja

    Manus from ‘heaven’ for MSM.

  27. marcus classis

    HBB:

    I expect the country shoppers on Manus Island have very well grounded fears on what the locals will do to them given the opportunity. Don’t expect the ALPBC or the Refugee Industry to report on why any time soon though.

    Yep. The stupid sods have spent years racially vilifying the locals, insulting them, belittling them, sexually assaulting them and threatening them from behind the safety of the wire. And the greens told them they were coming here.

    Melanesians believe in payback the way a green believes in Gaia. On stilts.

    Karma? Meet Evolution in Action.

    (H/T Niven and Pournelle)

  28. JC

    Where is the underlying tech breakthrough? Lithium batteries happened quite some time ago.

    Sure. But the thing that’s really beginning to impact is economies of scale and new processes in manufacturing are dropping battery prices enormously.

    These new factories are basically robotic with few people.

    Remember it’s never the age of the overall technology that’s important it’s the ultimate cost of production and utility. It’s why old technology like wheels are still around. 🙂

    The wheels argument is always a good one to throw at leftwing idiots when they suggest coal fired plants are “old technology”.

  29. DrBeauGan

    Joe
    #2549011, posted on November 10, 2017 at 6:19 pm
    DrBG:

    A lot of waffle signifying I know mathematics and you don’t so my opinion is worth more than yours.

    The big bang was a singularity and there was no prior time or state. So there is no intelligible way of answering the question ‘where did the universe come from?’ or ‘what caused the big bang?’ Saying it came out of nothing is just another way of saying this.

    So “no intelligible way…” is the same sort of arm waving that atheists use to poo poo the concept of GOD. Can we read that physicists/mathematicians agree there is a GOD because the answer to the question of the universes origin is beyond them?

    On my knowing mathematics and you don’t so my opinion is worth more than yours, yes. When I occasionally talk to lefties, I am sometimes reduced to ‘I know economics and you don’t so my opinion is worth more than yours.’ I expect you’d feel the same if I argued with you on a subject you knew and I didn’t. Knowledge isn’t democratic except we all have the chance to acquire it. If someone doesn’t, they damn well should lose the argument. If you want to espouse the virtues of ignorance, don’t expect me to take you seriously.

    As to similarities between this and anti-God arguments, I can’t say. I found B oNs response more interesting. He asserts that a big store of biblical knowledge is necessary to understand some issues. I daresay he is right. My store of biblical knowledge is merely moderate. I find it useful on moral matters, unhelpful in physics.

    If you want to believe in God I can’t stop you and wouldn’t if I could. I don’t know why you want to, nor why you believe. I have some conjectures, but you won’t want to know them.

  30. JC

    I’m going to avoid a stoush but I’d like to say a couple if things.

    The plagiarist reckons he never reads what I have to say. I find this amusing because every comment he posts here when I’ve upset him is about me. He was using this same old dishonest tactic back in the days when he was a Canberra leftie at Lavatory Pronto.

    The overuse of adjectives also demonstrates how much pressure he’s feelling.

    I’m going out a limb here 🙂 and suggest that grovelling to Fisk won’t work, as I reckon Fisk despises plagiarists. Just a hunch.

  31. P

    I have in the first page of my Bible what I’ve hand written and dated 29th July 1957:

    Study it carefully; think of it prayerfully;
    Deep in thy heart let its precepts dwell.
    Slight not its history; ponder its mystery,
    None can e’er prize it too fondly or well.
    Accept the glad tidings, the warning, the chidings,
    Found in this volume of heavenly lore,
    With faith that’s unfailing, and love all prevailing,
    Trust in its promise of life evermore.

  32. Gab

    Muslim College Student Who Lied About Trump Supporters Attacking Her On NY Subway Pleads Guilty

    Yet another faked “backlash”.

  33. Natural Instinct

    Don’t look to business for morals or the national interest – CommBank virtue signalling.

    $2.8bn lending to renewable energy projects
    48.5% reduction in direct emissions since 2009
    Committed to playing our part in limiting climate change to well below 2 deg Celsius

    This year we have arranged $1.02 billion of climate bonds. In March 2017, we issued the largest Australian dollar climate bond from an Australian bank at $650 million, demonstrating active leadership and best practice in the climate and green bond market.

    We will continue to measure and reduce our own environmental impact, as well as help our customers transition to a net zero emissions economy. Our influence extends to the businesses that we lend to, invest in and buy from and we endeavour to make a socially and environmentally positive impact through our decision making.

    This year we grew our renewables lending portfolio to $2.8 billion. This reflects our continued commitment to find new ways to support a rapidly changing renewables sector. Renewables projects we lent to include three new solar farms in Queensland and Victoria, and Australia’s largest solar project in South Australia, Bungala solar project, where we were a mandated lead arranger. Bungala will provide power for approximately 100,000 households. The Bungala solar project was the largest equity and debt finance arrangement for a new solar project in Australia to date, as well as the first major Australian renewable project delivered without government funding assistance.

    We continue our industry-leading disclosure on the emissions intensity of our business lending, and have just completed our third report which shows our business lending portfolio’s emissions intensity is 0.29 kgCO2-e/ AUD expenditure in FY16, up from 0.28 kgCO2-e/AUD expenditure in FY15.

    If we had a government with leaders they would say no federal payments into CBA accounts unless they support those business that provide the great majority of the states’ tax base, i.e. mineral royalties.
    Now that’s a new type of sustainability!!!

  34. JC

    BREAKING NEWS🇺🇸🇺🇸 Rumor has it that Beth, a reporter WAPO offered women $1000 to accuse Roy Moore of sexual misconduct. The conversation has been taped & photographed?! The Co-DA of Etowah VA has been notified. We will see how this story plays out

    It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if this turned out to be true.

    Gab, VA means Virginia, as in the state? If so why would a DA from that state get involved when Moore is from a state much further south.. Can’t recall which…Georgia?

  35. Motelier

    Gab,

    Congrats on getting to 50 peeps on twitter.

    Race ya to 100 😏🍷

  36. Gab

    JC, I’ve seen similar comments on twitter. As I said, IF it’s true it will be intersting. I don’t know any other details.

  37. Gab

    Pretty sure you’ll win, Mote 🙂

  38. Gab

    Maybe the alleged bribe originated in VA?

  39. Joe

    Sorry Dr BG, I didn’t express myself properly.

    Look, you are using a language “gobbledegook” to express an idea and we are using another language “Bloohh Blahhh” to express the same idea. In your language the mathematics leads you to the conclusion that the origin is unknowable. In our language, that conclusion merely proves that GOD exists. Your frame of reference is limited by the mechanics of mathematics to automatically exclude any other option. The mathematics inexorably leads you to conclude that you cannot conclude – which is simply a restatement of Godels theorem on the completeness of mathematical systems.

    Mathematics itself leads you to the conclusion that the system was created by outside influence. GOD.

  40. Motelier

    Pretty sure you’ll win, Mote 🙂

    Strippers don’t count.

    PS. I only have 51

  41. Eyrie

    So JC is an engineer nowadays? There has been a 3 part thread on WUWT in the last few days about electric cars. Anthony’s readers, many of whom are engineers, don’t think much of them.
    Around town buggies at best. After 130 years we know how to build IC cars and have got very good at it. IC cars just don’t need unscheduled service nowadays, scheduled service is minimal and an entire infrastructure exists to support fueling them and you still need to generate the electricity to charge electric cars. Solar doesn’t work at night unless you charge a LARGE home battery pack during the day with your LARGE solar cells and use that to recharge the car overnight. Fantasy.

  42. calli

    JC, I’ve seen similar comments on twitter. As I said, IF it’s true it will be intersting. I don’t know any other details.

    It’s true on a certain level, Gab.

  43. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And it’s coming on to Christmas, or so the shops tell as, so let me be the first to welcome back
    Santa Baby.

  44. cohenite

    Bruce in WA

    #2549015, posted on November 10, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    Trying to verify that BoN; do you have a link?

    ‘Twas me, not BoN

    Try here.

    Everyway you turn state governments are making it harder; that little bit of bullshit seems to be wrapped up in the cops favouring one transporter: kickbacks?

  45. Woolfe

    Monty has the most twitter followers with Sink next

  46. JC

    Around town buggies at best.

    Which is where most cars are used and that’s the point!

    Anthony’s readers, many of whom are engineers, don’t think much of them.

    Engineers solve engineering problems, their forecasting abilties are no sharper than anyone else.

  47. calli

    I’ve nearly finished my Christmas shopping.

    * struts, chest out, thumbs in lapels *

  48. Never forget, a libertarian is just a lefty with a basic understanding of economics.

    Fauxbertarians.

  49. Pretty sure you’ll win, Mote 🙂

    Strippers don’t count.

    PS. I only have 51

    But it’s the quality of your followers that count, Mote 😉

  50. Motelier

    I’ve nearly finished my Christmas shopping.

    Yeah, nah.

    I will do the masculine thing, again. Wait until the 23rd of Dec to start shopping.

    Over and done in one afternoon.

  51. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What a Welsh songbird she is, Miss Jenkins.
    My grandmother was a Jenkins before she married.
    Hairy doesn’t think I can sing though, but that’s because he is a trained chorister.
    I can sing well enough to be happy around the house, I point out to him.
    After all, there’s a bit of Jenkins in me somewhere. All Welsh people love to sing.

  52. There has been a 3 part thread on WUWT in the last few days about electric cars. Anthony’s readers, many of whom are engineers, don’t think much of them.

    So? I’m an engineer – sort of – and I am well aware of all the faults and shortcomings of electric cars in general, and Tesla in particular. That doesn’t alter the fact that I’ve had a Tesla S as the screensaver on my main laptop for years, and if I had the money I’d buy one tomorrow.

    Prudence and common sense has only a passing relevance to buying cars for personal use. If we bought our cars on practicality alone we would all be driving a Renault 16TS.

  53. DrBeauGan

    DrBeau – Now consider that a full understanding of Christian principles is as difficult for a layman like yourself as it is for a layman to understand cosmology. You need to grasp the spiritual technology of the Bible to understand the meaning of Jesus Christ’s actions. For example just about everything he said or did as recorded in the gospels is an overt fulfilment of a prophesy or principle outlined in the Old Testament. Probably hundreds of them, certainly many dozens. Calvary is like the Big Bang – the spiritual equation goes to infinity like the graph y = x^-2 and comes down again afterwards.

    Furthermore if you study the Bible deeply you will glimpse the different natural laws of the metaphysical place where God is, wherever it is. Time especially operates differently. Spiritual operations have tantalizing rules. We don’t have much to go on because the Bible isn’t intended to be a textbook of spiritual mechanics, it’s a manual for how not to go to Hell.

    I’ll defer to you on biblical matters and possible insights into God and where He is to be found, Bruce. I know you are a scientist in your professional life. I’ve followed your arguments on global warming with interest and appreciation.

    As I said to Joe, my biblical knowledge is modest. I have found it invaluable on the moral side, useless for physics. As you put it, a manual on how not to go to hell. I have the basics figured out but am still working on it.

  54. Joe

    JC:

    Which is where most cars are used and that’s the point!

    Fact check: True.

    The future is electric vehicles because that’s what the futurists promised. What television and movies and SF books promised. If you pay attention, most of the wonders of our world were promised to previous generations and they got off their arses and made it happen. The same is happening to EV’s. The current and next generation is determined to make it happen and they will make it happen.

    It makes no difference if the previous generation complains about this.

  55. classical_hero

    Cosmology statement

    The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed– inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.

  56. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ‘With faith that’s unfailing, and love all prevailing’,

    That’s very nice, P.

    In some way I think we have to live in faith and love and hope. Even if we are not ‘religious’.
    Life gets too dire if we can’t rely on our culture to sustain us. I can’t ‘believe’, but I do plod on.

  57. Can we read that physicists/mathematicians agree there is a GOD because the answer to the question of the universes origin is beyond them?

    It certainly leaves that possibility open for the agnostics among us.

  58. DrBeauGan

    Lizzie, I defer to you on communal dance and womens shoes hats and fascinators. These interest me even less than general relativity does you. On the different domains of poetry and mathematics, I find you unreliable. Don’t let that stop you opining on these matters.

  59. thefrolickingmole

    I will do the masculine thing, again. Wait until the 23rd of Dec to start shopping.

    Real men do a servo run Christmas day or go and raid the verge collection heaps..

  60. Monty has the most twitter followers with Sink next

    🙂

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    you still need to generate the electricity to charge electric cars

    The price of electricity at which a full charge would be more expensive than an equivalent tank of petrol is coming soon. My rough calc is around 50c/kWh and you’d be better off with a conventional car (plus you could pocket the $50k difference in up front price).

    They just don’t make economic sense, and will never make economic sense because of brutal facts like the energy density of a battery being a tenth, at best, of a $10 plastic petrol tank.

    The only things that makes them competitive at all is (1) government handicapping of ICE cars (2) massive subsidies of electric (3) punitive taxes on petrol (4) outright bans. All four are because of the climate scam, so when it falls over the whole EV industry will go with it. As you see in the links I gave on Alan Moran’s latest post as soon as the subsidies go a green industry dies.

  62. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The successes claimed by the theory’s supporters consist of its ability to retrospectively fit observations with a steadily increasing array of adjustable parameters, just as the old Earth-centered cosmology of Ptolemy needed layer upon layer of epicycles.

    Told you so. Parameters of human construction.

    Hairy’s view on astrophysics is follow the money. Big Bang creates big bucks because it seems to be getting somewhere, in a way that steady state does not. Chimeric, we both agree.

    But as the Bible says, ‘all is vanity’. 🙂

  63. Stephen McDonell, ABC/BBC Beiking correspondent, reports on Xi v Trump at APEC:

    Xi Jinping just finished at APEC. He got a standing ovation. Trump did not. Spot the difference in terms of growing and declining global influence and the acceptance or otherwise of their different models for Asia Pacific and the World. #China #USA

    Xi Jinping – even with his dull delivery – just hit DonaldTrump out of the park at APEC. Xi championed multilateralism, tackling climate change, poverty alleviation (standing ovation); Trump wanted 2-way deals that benefit the #US (asked for applause). Geopolitical shift on now!

    But as CL was boasting, Trump got to walk on a red carpet LOL,

  64. stackja

    How many electric cars had flat batteries in Alice Springs?

  65. stackja

    Who made what and when debate will never end.

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Real men do a servo run Christmas day

    So true. Those toy dinosaurs are not going to fight without batteries, ack ack guns will be stilled, friction cars will beat those powered ones that run for more than one ride, toy trains won’t circle the track and the tiny lights in the doll’s house will be disappointingly unlit (you can tell by my recalled exampling that I have had one daughter and three sons).

    Metaphor for our Green future, actually, if we replace dinosaurs with politicians. Who will play dad at the servo then though, and deliver us some nice new coal-fired power stations?

  67. Eyrie

    OK Joe, so where the hell is my flying car?????

  68. Australia and 10 other regional nations have agreed to revive the Trans-Pacific Partnership, leaving the United States behind

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull met 10 other leaders on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Vietnam and agreed to resuscitate the deal.

    It collapsed after Donald Trump became president and withdrew the United States from what was a 12-member regional free trade pact, covering 40 per cent of the global economy.

    The new deal, known as the TPP-11, or the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for the TPP, could be in force within a year, pending the resolution of some outstanding issues.

    The TPP-11 also remains open to the US returning, something Mr Turnbull acknowledged was unlikely while Mr Trump was president.

    “I don’t think it’s a lost cause at all but I don’t see President Trump taking a different approach to the TPP any time soon. I am being realistic,” he said. […]

    It was reached just minutes before Mr Trump, who has eschewed multilateral trade deals, took the stage at his first APEC to speak on his vision for a “free and open Indo-Pacific region”. He hammered China for its unfair trade practices including intellectual property theft, currency manipulation, failure to comply with World Trade Organisation rules, and the use of state-owned enterprises to force private companies out of business.

    Mr Trump said the US was ready to make a bilateral deal with any country in the Indo-Pacific region, but only on the basis of “mutual respect and mutual benefit”. He said the US would ot be taken advantage of any more.

    Xi and Trumble make Trump look like a complete fool.

  69. Joe

    OK Joe, so where the hell is my flying car?????

    You didn’t want it hard enough to get of your arse and make it.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle

    Prudence and common sense has only a passing relevance to buying cars for personal use.

    MV – That’s true. I’ve said before where I see Tesla is not mass market but in the prestige market. You can sustain a very decent capital base of a company on that business model – Porsche even took over mass-market VW on the basis of theirs.

    The issue is whether Tesla will survive long enough to transition from Musk’s mass-market ambition to the prestige business model. I don’t think it will, not on the current numbers.

    A market crash is due. The crash of the climate scam may come soon, it may come later, but it will come. Science isn’t politically negotiable and the climateers’ science is wrong. Tesla may die with the market crash or it may die when the climate scam fizzles out. The chance of it getting through both of those events isn’t high.

    The operation and name may continue to exist like Twiggy Forrest’s nickel operations still exist – on their third owners after the first two sets lost their shirts. After all DeLorean has arisen phoenix-like from the ashes, so Tesla probably would too.

  71. classical_hero

    A bunch of Communists think reviving the TPP is a good thing. LOL

  72. DrBeauGan

    Joe
    #2549049, posted on November 10, 2017 at 7:02 pm
    Sorry Dr BG, I didn’t express myself properly.

    Look, you are using a language “gobbledegook” to express an idea and we are using another language “Bloohh Blahhh” to express the same idea.

    It’s not that simple, Joe. Mathematics differs from natural language in a number of ways. The most obvious is the precision, which makes it the preferred language for physics. Also chemistry and engineering increasingly. We have given up on Latin, and there is a reason for this. If you need to talk about moderately complicated things, natural language isn’t much good. Some ideas can’t even be stated in natural language so as to be generally understood. It’s algebra or waffle, and the latter doesn’t cut it.

    For very simple things like ‘your pants are on fire’, natural language works well. That’s what it was designed for. For really complicated things, nothing really works. Trying to get a grasp of what is going on in the head of someone praying to God isn’t formulable in any language. Unless it’s a schoolboy ‘please god let it rain tomorrow’ sort of prayer, which I hope we are not discussing. This is why philosophy leads to interminable arguments. Or as someone said, if something is ineffable, the least you can do is zhut up about it.

    If you are seriously multilingual, you will know that most translations of anything complicated don’t really work. There are too many interlocking allusions going right down into the culture. You get a crude approximation and make do.

    I used to tell students that if you can’t say it in algebra, you don’t really know what you are talking about. The brighter ones pointed out that this is nearly everything.

    That’s right.

  73. Eyrie

    If you want a car that looks like a Tesla Model S buy a Mazda 6 hatch. Tesla hired the designer of that for the Model S.

  74. Bruce of Newcastle

    OK Joe, so where the hell is my flying car?????

    Yesterday:

    Uber Teams Up With NASA To Build A Flying Car By 2020 Which Is (Looks At Watch) TWO YEARS Away

    The Jalopnik reporter sounds like he’s salivating all over his keyboard. 😀

  75. Joe

    A bunch of Communists think reviving the TPP is a good thing. LOL

    Of course they do. Trump has stated that the TPP disadvantaged the USA. Let’s see, now what would a good communist country do to a capitalist country? Well, how about a “free” trade agreement where the capitalist country’s industrial base was destroyed because of capitalist principles applied fraudulently by undercutting communist machinations.

  76. Snoopy

    Xi Jinping – even with his dull delivery – just hit DonaldTrump out of the park at APEC. Xi championed multilateralism, tackling climate change, poverty alleviation (standing ovation)

    What, no same sex marriage? No cultural diversity? Shameful troglodyte.

  77. Joe

    I used to tell students that if you can’t say it in algebra, you don’t really know what you are talking about. The brighter ones pointed out that this is nearly everything.

    Blue sky is beautiful.

  78. What would make it really interesting is if Xi muscled in to the TPP. That would get Trump busting a foofer valve.

  79. Sydney Boy

    Anyone else feeling a sense of perverse pleasure that all these Hollywood lefties – “the best moral compass” types – are going down for rape, harassment, and so on?

  80. Snoopy

    Where are these flying cars going to take off and land?

  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy watching Sydney FC at Gosford, and I heard the ceremony part. A very nice Last Post and the National Anthem sung by a MALE (a change and what a treat), an army guy, as it is for Remembrance Day. Very traditional and it tugs heart strings for all that we miss that we used to have. Such a change from the various female ‘performers and personalities’ who are gifted upon us at most sporting events etc today.

  82. Joe

    monty, the TPP does not exist without the USA. It’s raison d’etre was to screw the USA. It’s pointless without the USA.

  83. rickw

    Marine Corps Birthday Cake!

  84. JC

    Eyrie
    #2549089, posted on November 10, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    If you want a car that looks like a Tesla Model S buy a Mazda 6 hatch. Tesla hired the designer of that for the Model S.

    Model S or model x?

    I went to see the the SUV and was nightly impressed with the interior and the general look of the car. It’s a huge change for the better from the first model that came out I saw as the interior was really cheap looking. This is a far superior car inside.

    But in any event I dunno if Tesla will survive, perhaps it will as someone like Apple may end up buying them. I’m not kidding. I think there’s a chance someone like Apple could make a bid for either BMW or Tesla with a long view to self driving and therefore the internet shit that goes into the car.

  85. monty, the TPP does not exist without the USA. It’s raison d’etre was to screw the USA. It’s pointless without the USA.

    You mean its raison d’etre was to screw China.

    Replace US with China, and all of a sudden it’s the US getting screwed over by China.

  86. JC

    m0nty
    #2549098, posted on November 10, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    What would make it really interesting is if Xi muscled in to the TPP. That would get Trump busting a foofer valve.

    You have no fucking idea, do you. None. Zero!

  87. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Xi Jinping – even with his dull delivery – just hit DonaldTrump out of the park at APEC. Xi championed multilateralism, tackling climate change, poverty alleviation (standing ovation)

    i.e. none of which they will actually do but stuff they want to inflict on the US.

  88. Snoopy

    What would make it really interesting is if Xi muscled in to the TPP. That would get Trump busting a foofer valve.

    What an absolutely stupid thing to say.

  89. JC

    What an absolutely stupid thing to say.

    No it’s not. Encourage him to keep saying stupid shit.

  90. JC

    Sydney Boy
    #2549099, posted on November 10, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    Anyone else feeling a sense of perverse pleasure that all these Hollywood lefties – “the best moral compass” types – are going down for rape, harassment, and so on?

    Isn’t it wonderful to watch? I also think the tangential trash like Meryl Streep copping a figurative kicking now for calling Weinstein god and giving child rapist Polaksi a standing ovation.

  91. Neil

    Apparently this is a picture of manus Island asylum seekers who had rowed to a nearby island for a day out. They look happy and healthy

    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7ffe46557bdd9cccf8fffb1382396dbb?width=650

  92. Nick

    Lucky no one called her a monkey:

    Christine Forster said she was pushed and shoved by Manus Island protesters as she and her partner, Virginia Edwards, tried to make their way to the event at the Australian Technology Park at Eveleigh, near Redfern

    “Essentially people surrounded us, they were spitting, they were snarling,” Ms Forster said.

    “It was extraordinary, it was a riot with people screaming in our faces, trying to spit at us, trying to punch us.”

    Ms Forster said police on the scene helped escort them into the venue, but as protesters saw this, they grabbed her jacket to hold her back.

  93. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The new deal, known as the TPP-11, or the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for the TPP, could be in force within a year, pending the resolution of some outstanding issues.

    this is where china gets to lot everyone’s intelectual property for free. what a great idea.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Blue sky is beautiful.

    And so are you, Joe. Although we might adjust that to handsome.
    One of ‘the brighter ones’ too. 🙂

  95. Snoopy

    Xi championed multilateralism, tackling climate change, poverty alleviation (standing ovation)

    That must explain why Africans ‘fondly’ refer to them as Ching-Chongs.

  96. Nick

    With taxpayers’ money too:

    The ABC has refused to publicly disclose the salaries of staff earning more than $200,000, arguing the demands are onerous and will prove counter-productive.

    I’d lmao if there was any ‘gender based discrimination ‘ occurring.

  97. JC

    God I love seeing the left dying… sure they aren’t all dying, but I’ll take what I can get.

    Here’s Henderson reporting on why Lateline is fucked and about to go six feet under with the little rat hopefully out of job.

    Lateline is in extremis – and will not return next year. It would be best to kill it off today – its slow death is not a pretty sight.

    Take last night, for example. At the time of President Donald J. Trump’s visit to Asia, the political crisis afflicting Britain and Spain along with the citizenship debacle at home, Lateline presenter Emma Alberici interviewed, wait for it, Mark Scott. Yes, Nice Mr Scott, former ABC managing director and (so-called) editor-in-chief. There was also a story on the soprano singer Danielle de Niese and another on what children can learn from robots. This is not hard-hitting news and current affairs.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/gerard-henderson/media-watch-dog-latelines-slow-death-jones-new-book/news-story/5a94fefc534cf572933c4b9be6011a9b

  98. zyconoclast

    So why does a Tesla x cost $220K? It should be free if delivered in 100 days.

    With 2 pizzas of your choice in the boot. Kept warm by the ready to explode battery.

  99. wivenhoe

    * struts, chest out, thumbs in lapels *

    Oh my God, I am blessed twice over, calli has shown her Chest. “Runs for cover and cowers under stairs”.

  100. DrBeauGan

    Blue sky is beautiful.

    Define ‘beautiful’.

  101. P

    When I had two sons, before my daughter was born, I always liked Two Little Boys.

    In recent years I liked K-PAX.

    Both of the above are no longer acceptable to watch.

    Sad but true.

  102. Roger

    If we bought our cars on practicality alone we would all be driving a Renault 16TS.

    You’re talking a lot of sense there, mv. 🙂

    Say, what is the contemporary equivalent, do you think?

  103. JC

    Now this is the sort of tornado type thing that could be really dangerous if approached.

    NASA spots a 7,000mph whirlpool of plasma on the surface of the sun in rare anomaly caused by its huge gravitational pull

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5065555/Stunning-Nasa-image-shows-rare-circular-solar-filament.html#ixzz4y1DojNEY

  104. Roger

    PHON must be biting deep into Labor’s QLD vote.

    ABC QLD TV news just led with a hatchet job on a hapless candidate.

  105. Bruce of Newcastle

    Xi Jinping just finished at APEC. He got a standing ovation.

    LOL. You aren’t old enough M0nty to recall the standing ovations and applause that Mao used to get in such cases. China has fingers in the pies of Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, both Koreas and of course Taiwan. They probably do too with Thailand, Indo and Malaysia I just can’t remember off the top of my head. Of course they’re going to applaud Xi and not applaud Trump. That is standard SE Asia realpolitik.

    Australia and 10 other regional nations have agreed to revive the Trans-Pacific Partnership, leaving the United States behind

    ROFL. TPP is Obama’s baby. Obama is the leftiest US president since Stalin. You reckon a far left guy like Obama would draft something friendly to free trade? The thing is a dog. Just look at it! As for the 11 they are all minor powers like us. China isn’t a signatory even in prospect.

  106. sdfc

    You have no fucking idea, do you. None. Zero!

    That’s why Monty fits in so well here.

  107. herodotus

    File Under “World’s Most Vulnerable People” (h/t Sarah Sea Patrol)
    From the Oz:
    A Manus Island refugee was arrested for allegedly trying to strangle a female doctor with a plastic bag and punching her in the face after receiving treatment at a medical centre run by the Australian government.
    The Australian understands the 50-year-old man was accused of attacking a senior female doctor after he was treated at a clinic operated by the International Health and Medical Services, which is paid for by the federal government and treats asylum-seekers residing on Manus Island.
    Papua New Guinea police alleged the man pushed a female doctor into a room after being discharged from an overnight stay.
    The woman, who was not a local, tried to fight the man off, with the noise prompting another medical officer to storm into the room and restrain the refugee.
    An incident report filed by IHMS claimed the man, who arrived on Manus Island as stateless, tried to strangle her with a plastic bag and punched her in the face, allegedly causing a gash on her forehead. The man was arrested and charged by PNG police for the incident, which happened in March, but the case was later dismissed in the courts.
    An Immigration Department spokesman said law and order on Manus Island was a matter for PNG authorities. “It would be inappropriate for the department to comment further given it is a matter for the government of PNG.”
    Senior government sources confirmed the incident yesterday after a former guard at the Manus Island detention centre described the attack on Melbourne radio station 3AW on Wednesday. The man, who did not provide his real name, detailed allegations about the accused’s trial which The ¬Australian could not confirm. “Down the track when the doctor went to court no police have shown up and evidence went missing,” 3AW was told.
    We later found out through intelligence that this GoFundMe page that the refugees had created through advocates had a large amount of money which they were paying off the police to get rid of the evidence.”

  108. JC

    How the fuck are you, SDFC? I haven’t seen you for a while offering up Keynesian nonsense about our debt problem. Dude, you know you’ve been warning us about consumer debt since 2008!

  109. Joe

    Define ‘beautiful’.

    No. If you need a definition to “mathematize” it – you provide a definition. It’s not my job to transpose non-mathematical concepts to mathematical for your comprehension. Learn the lingo of us non-mathemeticians if you want to argue non-mathematical concepts.

  110. H B Bear

    I’d lmao if there was any ‘gender based discrimination ‘ occurring.

    I’m sure there is. Would the ALPBC beta males do anything about it though?

    And once again the staff co-op just gives the finger to anyone who tries to impose any form of accountability on it.

  111. zyconoclast

    Manus from ‘heaven’ for MSM.

    Ba dum tss

  112. JC

    I’m off the watch a couple of episodes of Vice-principals. It’s a funny show and highly recommend it.

  113. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m off the watch a couple of episodes of Vice-principals. It’s a funny show and highly recommend it.

    It gets very dark indeed JC.

  114. herodotus

    The ABC has refused to publicly disclose the salaries of staff earning more than $200,000, arguing the demands are onerous and will prove counter-productive.

    More transparency for thee, thine and they, but not for me and mine.

    They are virtually public servants, FFS.

  115. Karma is a beatch, n’est-ce pas?
    Hollie Hughes works for many years as a Liberal operative.
    Gets the unwinnable 6th position on the Libs Senate ticket in the double dissolution election.
    Loses. Is given a consolation prize – Member of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.
    This comes with a salary. Good in the short term but likely to prevent her from taking Fiona Nash’s seat.

    “Jobs for the girls” becomes a LNP nightmare. Karma!

  116. Shy Ted

    Going to Cupids Cabin on the weekend. Just researching Pauline Hanson’ candidate in Townsville. And seeing if any of the dildos look like Sam Dastyari.

  117. Say, what is the contemporary equivalent, do you think?

    I’m not really up on the new car market, Roger, but my gut feeling answer is that there isn’t one.
    Not even close.

  118. sdfc

    Dude, you know you’ve been warning us about consumer debt since 2008!

    Household debt can’t keep growing without limit. Once credit growth slides unemployment is bound to rise.

  119. classical_hero

    http://gotnews.com/breaking-washington-post-reporter-behind-roy-moore-hit-piece-history-writing-fake-checks/

    Interesting development. Looks like the reporter has a history of writing checks for stories.

  120. srr

    So, Vietnam … Donald and Vlad, will they take time to converse ….

  121. DrBeauGan

    Joe
    #2549138, posted on November 10, 2017 at 8:24 pm
    Define ‘beautiful’.

    No. If you need a definition to “mathematize” it – you provide a definition. It’s not my job to transpose non-mathematical concepts to mathematical for your comprehension. Learn the lingo of us non-mathemeticians if you want to argue non-mathematical concepts.

    Joe, I can program a robot with a video camera sensor to look up in the open air, because I understand the meaning of the word ‘sky’ well enough to handle it. I can program the computer getting the signal from the video camera to decide if it’s observing a lot of blue light. But I cannot program it to decide if it’s beautiful, because I don’t understand what the word means with sufficient precision. Neither do you.

    Making a virtue of your ignorance only convinces you and others that being an intellectual slob is a thoroughly good thing. I can sympathise with the need, but wouldn’t tolerate it in myself.

  122. Define ‘beautiful’.
    I don’t understand what the word means with sufficient precision. Neither do you.

    “In her skin tight jeans, her bum moved like two ball bearings trapped in a chamois bag”.

  123. candy

    Christine Forster seems the type to do anything for publicity.

    I wonder if she has a job? or does her ex-husband support her financially so she can pursue her dreams. She would not be on an aged pension or disability pension.

  124. Mindfree

    This one’s for Mr Constantine

  125. candy

    What would make it really interesting is if Xi muscled in to the TPP. That would get Trump busting a foofer valve.

    I thought President Xi showed respect and pleasantry towards D. Trump. Normally he is very straight, unsmiling in any picture or video you seen here, but he and D. Trump hit it off. There seemed great cordiality.

  126. Eyrie

    Renault 16TS. Drove a mate’s once to get him out of the paddock he had landed his glider in. Brilliant car.

  127. Bruce of Newcastle

    I wonder if she has a job?

    Candy – She’s a councillor on Sydney City Council. Pay’s only about 40k as it’s a part time position. I don’t know what Ms Edwards does.

  128. DrBeauGan

    memoryvault
    #2549154, posted on November 10, 2017 at 8:43 pm
    Define ‘beautiful’.
    I don’t understand what the word means with sufficient precision. Neither do you.

    “In her skin tight jeans, her bum moved like two ball bearings trapped in a chamois bag”.

    I can recognise it, MV, that’s the easy bit.

  129. @PhillipCoorey Phillip Coorey
    Breaking: TPP deal as agreed by Trade Ministers has just collapsed after Canada baulked at last minute

    LOL another delay for Potential Greatness. Trumble couldn’t organise a banh mi at a Vietnamese takeaway.

  130. Snoopy

    US not in. Stupid Trump! Canada not in. Stupid Turnbull!

  131. There’s plenty of stupid to go around in politics at the moment, Snoopy.

  132. cohenite

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2549142, posted on November 10, 2017 at 8:27 pm

    I’m off the watch a couple of episodes of Vice-principals. It’s a funny show and highly recommend it.

    It gets very dark indeed JC.

    VP is a genuinely laugh out loud show; the bullets on string from Gamby’s girlfriend’s pussy is a classic.

  133. Siltstone

    Mindfree
    The Billy Joel clip, released in 1982, helps explain Donald Trumps win.

  134. I can recognise it, MV, that’s the easy bit.

    Dr Beaugan,
    I’ve always considered the nine times table as a mathematical expression of beauty.
    But I’m sure there are far more eloquent examples. I’m just not smart enough to see it.

  135. Tintarella di Luna

    Oh my God, I am blessed twice over, calli has shown her Chest. “Runs for cover and cowers under stairs”.

    Come out of there wivenhoe it’s a only a phrase you naughty boy.

  136. Snoopy

    So lefty wunderkind Trudeau prefers Trump’s US to the TPP?

  137. Snoopy

    The dead cat lady will be the next to bail out.

  138. DrBeauGan

    memoryvault
    #2549166, posted on November 10, 2017 at 9:08 pm
    I can recognise it, MV, that’s the easy bit.

    Dr Beaugan,
    I’ve always considered the nine times table as a mathematical expression of beauty.
    But I’m sure there are far more eloquent examples. I’m just not smart enough to see it.

    We’re all in the same boat, MV. I fell in love with Euclid as a child. The proof that the sum of the angles in a triangle is 180° still strikes me as beautiful.

  139. srr

    Stealth Jeff Retweeted
    FOX Business‏Verified account @FoxBusiness 9h9 hours ago

    [email protected] on potential Trump-Putin meeting: “I hope so. There needs to be a face to face meeting to make sure…that man Putin also understands what the @POTUS is doing, and that this is not President Obama. This is a very different @POTUS. He’s a serious man. He’s a pragmatist”
    [video]
    https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/928788565345079296
    ..
    Lou Dobbs‏Verified account @LouDobbs 9h9 hours ago

    Unmatched Leadership- @SebGorka: Putin needs to meet w/ @POTUS & understand that you don’t mess with the United States when @realDonaldTrump is president. #Dobbs #MAGA #TrumpTrain
    [video]
    https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/928786834892652544

  140. Atoms for Peace

    Filled the car up in less than 2 mins.When will EVs do that ( the magic battery capacitor mix)?

  141. Leigh Lowe

    So… how are things in the winners circle at the moment, my friends?

  142. calli

    We’re all in the same boat, MV. I fell in love with Euclid as a child. The proof that the sum of the angles in a triangle is 180° still strikes me as beautiful.

    I’ve seen a number plate called “Euclid”. It was on a ute.

    And I employed a labourer who read Homer at smoko.

    It truly is wonderful world.

  143. Motelier

    Filled the car up in less than 2 mins.When will EVs do that ( the magic battery capacitor mix)?

    Look, I am sure lotsa lefties think the Sun shine out of Elon’s arse, but electric cars? Really, so old fashioned they are a remix.

    Now if he had any smarts he would have been concentrating on the “flux capacitor”.

  144. The proof that the sum of the angles in a triangle is 180° still strikes me as beautiful.

    I always had a soft spot for Pythagoras.
    “The squaw on the hippopotamus is equal to the sum of the squaws on the other two hides”.

  145. Atoms for Peace

    Musk gets a mention in the new Star Trek series as one of the pioneers.

  146. H B Bear

    Karma is a beatch, n’est-ce pas?
    Hollie Hughes works for many years as a Liberal operative.
    Gets the unwinnable 6th position on the Libs Senate ticket in the double dissolution election.
    Loses. Is given a consolation prize – Member of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.
    This comes with a salary. Good in the short term but likely to prevent her from taking Fiona Nash’s seat.

    I suspect she’ll be OK and that the High Court will find the relevant date to be at the time of nomination for the 2016 election. A person cannot be expected to structure their life so as to always be ready to fill a casual Senate vacancy that may or may not arise.

    Good to see both sides of the UniParty warehousing surplus to requirements members of the professional political class, although the Liars generally do it better.

  147. Musk gets a mention in the new Star Trek series as one of the pioneers.

    I noticed that. Good to see that in Trek some things never change, the Rule of Three is still a thing.

  148. calli

    Star Trek has succumbed to the Dark Side.

  149. Star Trek has succumbed to the Dark Side.

    Watched the first episode.
    Never went back.

  150. srr

    You perplex me …

    Leigh Lowe
    #2549178, posted on November 10, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    So… how are things in the winners circle at the moment, my friends?

    I don’t recall you being friendly with me and mine ….

  151. Bruce of Newcastle

    Musk gets a mention in the new Star Trek series as one of the pioneers.

    Deservedly. SpaceX is doing great stuff. The Falcon Heavy prototype launch has been pushed back to late December, but if it works it will be another excellent achievement. Chances probably aren’t good as first time launches of anything are prone to making like a Roman candle.

  152. Now if he had any smarts he would have been concentrating on the “flux capacitor”.

    Time travel jokes aside, imagine if we could capture the energy of a lightning bolt in a small, dense capacitor, then control the rate of discharge from it.

  153. Yeah it’s a bit weird, the new Trek. Feels half like a fan-made series, but it looks a lot like the films so production values are a lot better. Deserves a watch, but like TNG maybe it will take a season or so to find its rhythm.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Another subtlety missed.

  155. DrBeauGan

    It truly is a wonderful world.

    Yes, it is, Calli. Such astonishing things in it.

    The theory that this is heaven (the wee free men) has a lot to be said for it.

  156. Motelier

    Another subtlety missed.

    Sorry LL

    I thought you cc’ed tge Cat while sending an email to PM Stumble

  157. H B Bear

    Some beautiful extracts from Snowcone’s literary sludge over on the Media Watchdog this week. Stick to light entertainment, The Snowcone Variety Hour needs you more.

  158. Deservedly. SpaceX is doing great stuff.

    People lose sight of the fact that Musk is a man on a mission.
    All the electric car stuff, all the battery stuff, and all the solar panel stuff is ultimately only R&D for his REAL mission – the colonisation of Mars. Hats off to him for being smart enough to get idiot politicians to foot some of the bill for research. It’s money they were going to waste anyway.

  159. Turnip

    The Orville is the best Trek version around now. Far better than Star Trek SJW.

    Latest ep had Rob Lowe as a blue skinned alien on heat.

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie, I defer to you on communal dance and womens shoes hats and fascinators. These interest me even less than general relativity does you. On the different domains of poetry and mathematics, I find you unreliable. Don’t let that stop you opining on these matters.

    Dr. BG, I am not disinterested in general relativity, or even special relativity, indeed there was a time when I thought myself, and it was also thought by others who knew more, that I had not too bad a handle on the principles of some of it. Not that of a professional physicist or mathematician, but of one dabbling around a bit conceptually and being attentive to conversations somewhat like this one. I do not claim to have a similar competence any more; for it was long ago and I have forgotten much and indeed, despite my questions, may have misunderstood some, as my mathematical training was weak to non-existent to start with, although improved later. Nevertheless I was/am not unfamiliar with the main debates and their implications.

    Please note too that my technical lacks didn’t stop me from doing well at university in introductory theoretical statistics (taught by a Professor of Mathematical Statistics), which I greatly enjoyed; a time when I also talked to physicists, and married a logician interested in conceptual languages, including those of physics. With statistics, I found tackling the theoretical concepts of sampling universes and dimensional areas under the curve first, rather than starting with technical notation, made learning the notational language of stats so much easier and I also found that my eureka moment of actually ‘reading’ notational language for the first time (not just struggling through it translating) came one evening of study when five wines down. So you will not deter me, unreliable or not, from opining on physics and metaphysics as I see fit; there is much that is ‘unreliable’ in this world, Horatio.

    I also once had a mathematician friend who was terribly keen to get me to comprehend how like poetry mathematics was. It may be that you are missing something there, for I think he was right, re maths in its pure aspects; for poetry too has a purity that informs consciousness beyond normal language. Not all mathematicians are souless automatons dicing the world formulaically. He was certainly right in urging me aged twenty and a half to drop lucrative copywriting, and become a matriculated but penniless university student by age twenty-two, thirsting for knowledge. And I did actually gain some. 🙂

    By the way, in other news, today I bought myself a very lovely small dull-blue proper velour-crowned hat with a big velvet back-bow on it in the post-Cup millinary sales on now; very forties style, which suits some of my dresses. A bargain too, reduced from over $500, and by no means the most expensive on sale.

    But just because I have quite a talent for buying in sales does not mean my talents end there. 🙂

  161. Snoopy

    It has come to this. Even a First Australian, descendant of the oldest living culture on Earth, has faced questions about whether he is eligible under the constitution to sit in the national parliament.

    Patrick Dodson, known by many as the father of reconciliation, is renowned for his work as an Aboriginal advocate before entering Parliament as a Labor senator.

    He says he is an Australian through and through, but public references to his father John “Snowy” Dodson having Irish heritage saw the senator fielding questions this week about whether he too could be a dual-national by descent.

    That Senator Dodson has been forced to check his family history shows how farcical the citizenship saga has become.

    What is it about dual heritage that TheirABC doesn’t get?

  162. Dave in Marybrook

    Memoryvault, you’re an idiot.
    He’s a subsidy farmer. U.S. taxpayers underwrite his erections.

  163. srr

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  164. Gab

    I’m very disappointed in the latest Star Trek. It just doesn’t have any appeal. Very flat and well, just boring. Gene Roddenberry would be yawning in his grave.

  165. Gab

    And it tries way to hard to be SJW.

  166. Pedro the Ignorant

    If “First Australian” Dodson is found to be ineligible to sit in the Senate because he has Irish citizenship, it will be one of the finest moments ever in Australian political history, possible even overtaking Gough’s ceremonial speech on the steps of the Old Parliament House as he was sacked by the GG.

    Future generations will marvel at the wisdom and foresight of the gentlemen who drafted our Constitution.

    This generation will be pissing themselves laughing.

  167. Bruce in WA

    Hon Aaron Stonehouse, MLC

    I rise to take issue, as at least one of my colleagues has in recent days, with the draconian policies being implemented by WA Police Force in relation to the transportation of firearms here in Western Australia. It is no exaggeration to say that, right now, those transportation changes are causing massive loss and financial hardship. If we do not act, and act swiftly, we will preside over the death of one of our country industries.

    In case any members are unaware of the changes, they are quite onerous. Australia Post, our national carrier, is unable to comply with the strict new transport requirements. The new requirements are so onerous that there are only 11 approved carriers across the entire state. As was pointed out by another member of this place, these 11 carriers do not provide coverage across the whole state.

    The following information has been provided to me: one of these carriers operates only by rail, not by road; one will carry only explosives; three will undertake only point-to-point work, meaning that they are extremely limited in commercial transactions; two will transport firearms only on behalf of government departments; one is limited to only cash transactions; one is dedicated entirely to wholesalers; one can transport guns from east to west by rail, but has no approved carriers able to connect to and from rail depots; and one only operates in specific parts of the Pilbara. I am sorry, but that is a pretty damning list of caveats. As a direct result of WA Police Force’s policy, small businesses in this state have zero workable freight options.

    The minister recently said that the WA Police Force is continuing to work to resolve these issues. I am sorry, but WA Police Force has caused these issues in the first place, and I mean that very literally. Not only did it issue the fiat to gun owners and dealers, but they literally caused the problem. Some of us in this place have long memories. We have not forgotten the private contractors who lost three firearms near Mt Magnet back in 2013, nor have we forgotten whom they were working for — WA Police. My recollection is that the subsequent police investigation failed to turn up any sign of the firearms, and no-one was charged in connection with the loss. I may have to ask a question of the Minister for Police in the near future to ascertain whether any of those guns were ever found or have been used in a crime. We remember who effectively lost those weapons — the very same police force that is now trying to regulate the local firearms industry out of business.

    But it gets worse than that. The police, in their new policy for firearm transport, have ensured that they are exempt from the strict new transport requirements. The same police force that lost three firearms in 2013, spurring the review that led to this onerous policy, are exempt from it. Let us take a moment to remind ourselves of the policy on firearm storage as it relates to those working in the industry. We all agree that firearms need to be securely stored. Members will get no argument from me on that score. But the requirements that are now being put in place by WA Police Force are draconian. They are now demanding that gun repairers and dealers install seismic sensors, and maintain 24/7 surveillance with a connection to designated police stations. That may be fine for dealers based in Perth, but small repairers and dealers based in country WA will find it much more difficult to comply. I do not want to go into my thoughts on the NBN, but suffice to say we get patchy speeds in the CBD at best; those in country areas sometimes struggle to get a connection at all.

    These new requirements equate to an additional impost on people working within the firearms industry, people who are going about their legal business only to be told that the police will impose more expensive compliance measures on them. It will be more difficult and they will probably be forced out of business. I received an email this morning from a gentleman who has reached that point, not because he does not want to keep working, but because he can no longer afford to. He is a small dealer and repairer and he normally has one to five firearms on his premises, which is no more than what a sporting shooter may have at any one time, yet because he is a dealer he has to adhere to standards of storage.

    The cost of compliance has proved too much for him and he is now in the process of handing back his dealer’s licence. Last week, a similar email arrived from a pest controller who warned that the transport requirements would put him out of business too. There goes another small business. There goes another pay cheque. There goes another meal off the table of a Western Australian family. This is all from a government that claims it wants to create jobs. I implore those members who represent country regions to have a long, hard think about how they treat firearm owners in their electorates. Law-abiding firearm owners are a motivated group, who are politically active and have long memories.

  168. Snoopy

    If “First Australian” Dodson is found to be ineligible to sit in the Senate because he has Irish citizenship, it will be one of the finest moments ever in Australian political history, possible even overtaking Gough’s ceremonial speech on the steps of the Old Parliament House as he was sacked by the GG.

    I suspect the LNP, the ALP (and if it gets that far, the High Court) will all run dead on Dodson.

  169. twostix

    Pre m0nty:

    Australia and 10 other regional nations have agreed to revive the Trans-Pacific Partnership, leaving the United States behind

    m0nty “weighs” in:

    Xi and Trumble make Trump look like a complete fool.

    The gods (who loathe m0nty) spring into action to make sure m0nty retains his title as M0nty: King Wrongologist:

    Breaking: TPP deal as agreed by Trade Ministers has just collapsed

    The gods will never allow you to be right about anything m0nty.

  170. He’s a subsidy farmer. U.S. taxpayers underwrite his erections.

    Yeah. Costs per flight.
    Net cost of Space Shuttle flights to the International Space Station (ISS) = USD $412 million each.
    Cost of Space Shuttle flights to the ISS including actual cost of Shuttle = USD $1.3 billion each.
    Cost of meeting ISS obligations via the Russians = USD $130 million each.
    Cost of flights to the ISS by Spacex to meet obligations = USD $65 million each.

    That’s some “subsidy”.
    A few more “subsidies” like that, and the USA would be debt free.

  171. OneWorldGovernment

    I’ve missed ‘the wave’ of the discussion about EV’s.

    Fact is the EV was invented when they first created electric motors. Check it out and maybe 1890’s or there abouts.

    Fact is windmills have been around for centuries.

    Fact is solar is one of the most widely distributed uses of energy in history. Spread your crop product to be dried in the sun and you can store it.

    Fact is energy has been harvested from stream and river flows for centuries.

    What is comparatively recent is the development of steam engines.

    What is comparatively recent is the development of gasoline/petrol and the internal combustion engine which ‘blew’ away every other form of ‘old world energy production’.

    Fact is the future both SF and reality will involve learning to harness Nuclear energy in a car.

    Their are already nuclear powered ships and submarines and there is no excuse that large container ships should not be nuclear powered.

    I’d suggest that the first large scale Nuclear Powered Luxury Liner that allows folk to live on the free seas will be sold out. And it will have it’s attended farming ships in attendance.

    Just some of my thoughts.

  172. Gab

    Since Dodson has never acknowledged his Irish heritage … oh I just can’t stop laughing long enough to finish that sentence.

  173. Makka

    Xi and Trumble make Trump look like a complete fool.

    And we all know what a great record the agile Turdball has for delivering fantastic outcomes.

  174. twostix

    Also apparently the Australian left are now openly hoping Australia abandons the Anglosphere and becomes a satellite of Communist China.

    Because Trump.

    These people have daddy issues.

  175. Pedro the Ignorant

    I suspect the LNP, the ALP (and if it gets that far, the High Court) will all run dead on Dodson.

    Of course they will, and if anyone dares to say differently, the howls of “racism” will be deafening.

    The very fact that Dodson is suss is hilarious, and the convoluted reasoning and re-interpretation of the Constitution’s S.44 from our masters in both Government and judiciary will be astonishing.

    We will put up with it, naturally. Australians are very obedient people and will do what they are told and disregard all that stuff swept under the carpet.

    Dodson is bulletproof, regardless of his ancestry, and will retain retain his ample bum on the red leather seat in Canberra as long as he wants.

  176. Robber Baron

    Dodson is even more Australian than Barnaby Joyce.

    Dodson wears a hat better than Bob Katter.

    Dodson is even more aborindigine than Jacquie Jackie and Ken Wyatt put together.

    Dodson is safe. If you disagree, you are a raaaaacist.

  177. I suspect the LNP, the ALP (and if it gets that far, the High Court) will all run dead on Dodson.

    As a result of the Common Informers (Parliamentary Disqualifications) Act 1975, only the High Court can hear challenges to legitimacy, and only the Parliament can refer cases to the High Court for consideration. That takes the whole process out of the hands of us mere minions.

    The Parliament will simply never get around to referring the Dodson case to the High Court for examination. Cooperation on this is what Turdball was referring to in his dealings with Shortfilth.

  178. srr

    Bill Mitchell Retweeted

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 44m44 minutes ago

    The United States has been reminded time and again in recent years that economic security is not merely RELATED to national security – economic security IS national security. It is vital to our national strength. #APEC2017
    [video] 1:51
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928936220360503296
    President Trump in Da Nang, Vietnam – APEC 2017 CEO Summit

  179. Knuckle Dragger

    Bruce in WA,

    Do we know who sparked this idiocy? I’ll bet my Collingwood guernsey that it was a thought bubble created by on of WAPOL’s higher ups, desperate for something to put on his/her CV pending a promotion application or something very similar.

    It would also be instructive to see the base of evidence, ie. demonstrated need to change a policy that AFAIK didn’t need changing.

    The whole concept looks like it was written on the back of a beer coaster on a plane somewhere. Good on the pollie for bringing it up – oh, and you can bet the rank and file coppers will hate the new compliance measures almost as much because it’ll be them doing the audits, and taking them away from their core duties – you know, crime and stuff.

  180. Armadillo

    Good to see that mOnts rehabilitation has begun. He’s admitted he has a problem, and has started apologising for his errors of judgement. Small steps. But significant.

    We’re here if you need help, bro.

  181. twostix

    How embarrasing is it though.

    The local governors of a bunch of “regional powers”, who combined have an economy of maybe two of America’s states making a scripted political headline “we don’t need America! (please understand what we’re doing US ambassador, you know how it is for us back home!)”.

    They do this knowing they have to suck up to their empowered media apparatus and establishment back home. Having agreed in advance, that one of them will “pull out” at the “last moment”, it’s like children “standing up” to their mum and dad.

    And they do this, these governers, to suck up to media establishments which no matter the country, but particularly Australia and Canada, are unashamed outposts of Democract American establishment power, thought and ideology.

    So weird.

  182. OneWorldGovernment

    memoryvault
    #2549229, posted on November 10, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    I suspect the LNP, the ALP (and if it gets that far, the High Court) will all run dead on Dodson.

    As a result of the Common Informers (Parliamentary Disqualifications) Act 1975, only the High Court can hear challenges to legitimacy, and only the Parliament can refer cases to the High Court for consideration. That takes the whole process out of the hands of us mere minions.

    The Parliament will simply never get around to referring the Dodson case to the High Court for examination. Cooperation on this is what Turdball was referring to in his dealings with Shortfilth.

    No MV.

    I want to challenge “free education”.

  183. max

    Caught a glimpse of Pauline Hanson at lunchtime on the ABC. She was responding to a reporter’s questions. ‘I will not be pressured by you into answering’. Voice a bit shaky as it often is when she is emotional and she seemed rattled. She was surrounded by reporters closing in as she seemed to shrink away and the whole thing was reminiscent of an animal trapped but still fighting. In going after her as the ABC likes to do, it’s making a big mistake. Hope they keep doing it.

  184. Pedro the Ignorant

    Nobody will ever see the name “Dodson” within a bull’s roar of the High Court.

  185. No MV.
    I want to challenge “free education”.

    ??????????????????????

  186. Rabz

    m0nty is beyond redemption.

  187. cohenite

    Bruce in WA

    #2549212, posted on November 10, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    Hon Aaron Stonehouse, MLC

    The gun situation in WA is typical; guns and gun rights are administered by police and bureaucrats and invariably they are lefties and PC. Which is why, at every election you put SFF first.

  188. min

    Where then do Ken Wyett and Linda Burnley stand then if Dodson could be in trouble?

  189. Dave in Marybrook

    Tell you what, Memoryvault-
    When SpaceX gets to the ISS, we’ll have a roundup of all taxpayer inputs.
    In the meantime “all that electric car stuff, all that battery stuff” is chewing up subsidies, and even more to the chagrin of taxpayers if it’s cross-subsidising SpaceX like you imply.
    Pretending the bottomless vault of money comes from stoopid politicians is naïve in the extreme.

  190. Pedro the Ignorant

    It’s Friday and I have had a drink or two, as many Cats emulate after a hard week supporting various bludgers and reffos, but I couldn’t help this:

    Black Irish.

  191. DrBeauGan

    I have a certain admiration for Pauline. She’s not bright, she’s not educated, but she’s a fighter. I like morally tough people. There aren’t enough of them.

  192. srr

    Blair Cottrell 🇦🇺‏ @blaircottrell89 Nov 8

    My position on Australian Parliament has never changed. It is no government, it is a circus performance of rentable clowns offering their services to the highest bidder. And if Australia wants a future this particular show cannot go on.

  193. OneWorldGovernment

    memoryvault
    #2549240, posted on November 10, 2017 at 10:41 pm

    No MV.
    I want to challenge “free education”.

    ??????????????????????

    Whitlam promised “Free Education” as a panacea.

    What he actually set up was the destruction of rigid thought and the expansion of Government.

    The greens are going to shut down Adani.

    I want to shut down so called universities where the brains of young folk go to die.

  194. srr

    Blair Cottrell 🇦🇺‏ @blaircottrell89 32m32 minutes ago

    Australian media (Daily Telegraph) is now using the term ‘ultranationalist’ to describe political dissidents & people it’s journalists don’t like. Next evolution is megaultranationalism, then finally; our ultimate form –Super Saiyan Nationalism.

    😆

  195. srr

    ςサi⃘lིlི Retweeted
    David Ingles‏Verified account @DavidInglesTV 8h8 hours ago

    BOOM: *CHINA TO REMOVE FOREIGN OWNERSHIP LIMITS IN CHINESE BANKS; ALLOWS FOREIGN FIRMS TO TAKE UP TO 51% IN SECURITIES COS.

    https://twitter.com/DavidInglesTV/status/928839854254723072

  196. DrBeauGan

    I really don’t mind being called names by journos, srr. In a way it’s quite flattering.

  197. twostix

    Theresa May was forced to delay a long-awaited trade mission to China in early October after Beijing chose to prioritise the visit by Mr Trump.

    Trump so dumb!1111!

  198. When SpaceX gets to the ISS, we’ll have a roundup of all taxpayer inputs.

    Spacex is already delivering to ISS, and federal the loan to Tesla – outside of subsidies paid on all EV’s – has been repaid. So go for it. Bring on your auditors. Regardless of outcome, my point still remains: Musk didn’t invent all this rent-seeking. He merely learned how to corral it to finance his R&D.

  199. srr

    DrBeauGan
    #2549257, posted on November 10, 2017 at 10:57 pm
    I really don’t mind being called names by journos, srr. In a way it’s quite flattering.

    It’s this bit I love –

    then finally; our ultimate form –Super Saiyan Nationalism.

    reminding me he’s just a kid, my youngest kids age, and yet he understands more that the old media, and delivers it with joyful, hopeful humour 🙂

  200. OneWorldGovernment

    If anyone on this site who is a member or former member of the former ‘liberal party of Australia’ does not go down and kick their local member in the guts then they are not Australian.

  201. Noodles Romanoff

    If your Australian mother had a sneaky fling with an Italian, unbeknownst to her husband, and said fling resulted in your existence, unbeknownst to you, are you unbeknowingly a dual citizen? Can you renounce citizenship to all unknown countries? Should all budding MPs be required to have a DNA test to verify parentage? Asking for another cat.

  202. OneWorldGovernment

    JC

    Musk is making money out of taxpayers.

    He is a ponzi scheme writ large.

    If he wants to get to Mars why doesn’t he and the pommie git get in their rockets and fly off NOW.

  203. Rabz

    Ozdraylya – where four extreme left wing political pardees is barely enough, we tells ya. 🙂

  204. Rabz

    The Greenfilth (das Groinen)
    Da Layba Pardee
    Da Gliberals
    Da Agrarian National Sozialists

  205. OneWorldGovernment

    Noodles Romanoff
    #2549264, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:09 pm

    If your Australian mother had a sneaky fling with an Italian, unbeknownst to her husband, and said fling resulted in your existence, unbeknownst to you, are you unbeknowingly a dual citizen? Can you renounce citizenship to all unknown countries? Should all budding MPs be required to have a DNA test to verify parentage? Asking for another cat.

    So which country or organization do the greens party adhere to?

  206. OneWorldGovernment

    What gets me about ALL current Australian political parties is that they adopt UN crap without allowing us a vote.

    I am a person that disbelieves we need a parliament whether Federal, State or Local government.

  207. OneWorldGovernment

    JC

    You have been sucked in about musk.

    Musk is the stink you get out of the arse end.

  208. Rabz

    Bluddee Hell – das Translatorvich had an inexplicable mal(turd)function:

    The Greenfilth (Die Grünen)

  209. srr

    ςサi⃘lིlི‏ @chiIIum 21m21 minutes ago

    Kimberley Fritts, the longtime chief executive officer of the Podesta Group, is quitting the firm less than two weeks after Democratic mega-lobbyist Tony Podesta stepped down for being under investigation by Robert Mueller.
    ..
    Fritts had been expected to relaunch the Podesta Group under a new name, but after more than a week of working to keep clients, Fritts announced at a staff meeting not to expect a paycheck after Nov 15., leaving dozens of employees in limbo.
    ..
    She’s rumored to be starting her own lobbying group, so we’ll have to keep a keen eye out for it. I assume most clients will go with her, as “Podesta” has now become a Scarlet Letter.
    ..
    The Podesta Group, as we know it, is no more.

    EXILE.
    ..
    [email protected] – how’s business?
    https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/928959971689222144

  210. Noodles Romanoff

    So which country or organization do the greens party adhere to?

    Stateless bastards?

  211. Siltstone

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    #2549202, posted on November 10, 2017 at 10:01 pm
    Not sure about your hats, but you sure write beautifully.

  212. srr

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

    The United States is prepared to work with each of the leaders in this room today to achieve mutually beneficial commerce that is in the interests of both your countries and mine. That is the message I am here to deliver today. #APEC2017
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928931835664465921
    [video] 1:51
    President Trump in Da Nang, Vietnam – APEC 2017 CEO Summit
    We will make bilateral trade agreements with any Indo-Pacific nation that wants to be our partner AND that will abide by the principles of FAIR and RECIPROCAL trade.

  213. srr

    So which country or organization do the greens party adhere to?

    The Militant Atheist UN

  214. DrBeauGan

    I hope he goes super saiyan 4 on their wrinkled arses, srr. Oh, there’s definitely hope.

  215. max

    Dr BG, you might like this short piece by Philip Larkin, Aubade.

  216. srr

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

    Today I am here to offer a renewed partnership with America — to work together to strengthen the bonds of friendship and commerce between all of the nations of the Indo-Pacific, and together, to promote our prosperity and security. #APEC2017
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928926863375794176
    [video] 0:29
    President Trump in Da Nang, Vietnam – APEC 2017 CEO Summit
    ..
    In more and more places throughout this region, citizens of SOVEREIGN and INDEPENDENT nations have taken greater control of their destinies, and unlocked the potential of their people. #APEC2017
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928922787938385920
    [video] 1:48
    President Trump in Da Nang, Vietnam – APEC 2017 CEO Summit
    ..
    Throughout my travels, I’ve had the pleasure of sharing the good news from America. I’ve had the honor of sharing our vision for a free & open Indo-Pacific — a place where sovereign & independent nations, w/diverse cultures & many different dreams, can all prosper side-by-side.
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928918183104225280
    [video] 1:00
    President Trump in Da Nang, Vietnam – APEC 2017 CEO Summit

  217. OneWorldGovernment

    srr
    #2549278, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm

    So which country or organization do the greens party adhere to?

    The Militant Atheist UN

    The marxists followed islam.

  218. DrBeauGan

    srr
    #2549278, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm
    So which country or organization do the greens party adhere to?

    The Militant Atheist UN

    My objection to the UN, srr, is not that they don’t worship God. It’s that they do worship power. That path leads to hell.

  219. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking, under the heading of “O Tempora! O Mores!”

    Good dinner with the Memsahib, couple of friends, celebrating a birthday, and a retirement.

    Good food, good wine, good company, and the young lady serving us was a pretty smashing piece of gear indeed.

    The bogans, at the next table finished their meal, changed their infant’s sh!tty nappy on the dining table – it stank – and left.

    Is this what the world is coming to?

  220. Rabz

    FFS, ZK2A – no one ever told them such appalling behaviour was indeed, appalling.

    F*cking precious snowflakes.

  221. Snoopy

    Global warming alert.

    Researchers at NASA have discovered a huge upwelling of hot rock under Marie Byrd Land, which lies between the Ross Ice Shelf and the Ross Sea, is creating vast lakes and rivers under the ice sheet. The presence of a huge mantle plume could explain why the region is so unstable today, and why it collapsed so quickly at the end of the last Ice Age, 11,000 years ago.

    Mantle plumes are thought to be part of the plumbing systems that brings hot material up from Earth’s interior. Once it gets through the mantle, it spreads out under the crust, providing magma for volcanic eruptions. The area above a plume is known as a hotspot.

  222. JC

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2549142, posted on November 10, 2017 at 8:27 pm

    I’m off the watch a couple of episodes of Vice-principals. It’s a funny show and highly recommend it.

    It gets very dark indeed JC.

    Man, I just watched the last three episodes. WTF happened to the comedy? It’s like a new writer came in who suffers severe depression.

  223. Rabz

    So, peoples – how many more extreme left wing polidical pardees can this Koala* Bear?

    The figurative “Koala” in this case being Ozdraylya.

  224. Bruce in WA

    Bruce in WA,

    Do we know who sparked this idiocy?

    No, but I will check with my contacts to see what I can find out.

  225. Stimpson J. Cat

    Star Trek has succumbed to the Dark Side.

    You should be watching The Orville.
    Seth McFarlane has miraculously made the best Star Trek series ever made that is not actually called Star Trek.

  226. DrBeauGan

    max
    #2549280, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:38 pm
    Dr BG, you might like this short piece by Philip Larkin, Aubade.

    It’s a good poem, max, Larkin can be relied upon. But I can’t find it in me to feel it. I don’t have the slightest worry about not existing. I managed to not exist for nearly fourteen billion years, and no worries at all. If I fail to exist for the next fourteen billion years, give or take a few decades, why should I be concerned? If Larkin dreads not existing, I feel sorry for him. But nobody need feel sorry for my non-existence. I don’t. I’ve done it successfully for about fourteen billion years and it was a doddle.

  227. JC

    Noodles Romanoff
    #2549264, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:09 pm

    If your Australian mother had a sneaky fling with an Italian, unbeknownst to her husband, and said fling resulted in your existence, unbeknownst to you, are you unbeknowingly a dual citizen? Can you renounce citizenship to all unknown countries? Should all budding MPs be required to have a DNA test to verify parentage? Asking for another cat.

    It goes by the birth certificate. These days it would be more common for the father to be unknown. so if there’s no entry for the father, there’s no real issue I guess.

    Funny if the kid is distinctively non European though.

  228. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dodson is even more Australian than Barnaby Joyce.

    Dodson wears a hat better than Bob Katter.

    Dodson is even more aborindigine than Jacquie Jackie and Ken Wyatt put together.

    Dodson is safe. If you disagree, you are a raaaaacist.

    I’m quoting from memory, but Pat Dodson’s father was Irish/Australian, and his mother, Patricia, was of Aboriginal/Malaysian descent.

  229. OneWorldGovernment

    srr
    #2549278, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm

    So which country or organization do the greens party adhere to?

    The Militant Atheist UN

    The marxists followed islam.

    It is why the so called United Nations is now taken over by marxists and islam.

    They figure the world wide caliphate will come about through the un.

    JC, if you think the eu is reforming itself then you have lost the plot.

    Did you ever meet Sir Arvi Parvo?

  230. Stimpson J. Cat

    Since Dodson has never acknowledged his Irish heritage … oh I just can’t stop laughing long enough to finish that sentence.

    Black Irish Confirmed!!!!

  231. Rabz

    Moozleys – you will be able to spot them a mile off, as they’re invariably monstrous lardarses.

  232. OneWorldGovernment

    I have one question of Australian Conservatives.

    Will you withdraw us from the UN and negate every single so called agreement we didn’t get to vote upone including going back to Richo’s abuse in Tasmania or not?

  233. Stimpson J. Cat

    Man, I just watched the last three episodes.

    Walton Goggins is excellent in everything.

  234. JC

    I starting to think of giving the libs a break, Rabz. As I’ve mentioned, they are besieged by every single institutional sector in the country. The one entity that isn’t all leftwing is a small part of News Corp and that will be gonsky once the old man dies. Even then, the Leftwing want The Australian closed down and I’m sure the gutless scions will comply because their leftwing wives will henpeck them to death until they do.

    The libs are certainly wishy washy, but a large reason for that is the electorate itself. The Libs are suffering Stockholm syndrome.

    I heard on the car radio today that those three or four dudes who gave the white man hater (Dastyari) hard time are going to be sued by Village Roadshow and Stan because they used something in their vid which exhibited a copyright image belonging to a new series called Romper Stomper. No kidding they are going to sue them. This is nothing more than leftwing virtue signaling.

    I think Stan is on it too and I cancelled my subscription as a result. i know it’s 11 bucks a month but anything helps.

  235. OneWorldGovernment

    How many Aboriginal folk died today?

  236. DrBeauGan

    Max, I like his writing, but I can’t help suspecting that philip Larkin is a miserable old bugger. For some reason, people who do science are generally happy, and people who do arts generally aren’t. Maybe it’s a matter of being outward directed and interested in the world or being inner directed and self absorbed. The latter seems to be a recipe for a miserable life.

  237. OneWorldGovernment

    JC
    #2549302, posted on November 11, 2017 at 12:07 am

    I starting to think of giving the libs a break

    lol

  238. JC

    Seriously, how disgusting are Village Roadshow and Stan for threatening to sue those fatheads for using some copyright symbol on their vid.

    This country should be leveled to to the ground.

  239. Stimpson J. Cat

    I starting to think of giving the libs a break, Rabz.

    Don’t you f$cking dare let your Jesus like compassion forgive them for their many sins JC.
    They must be punished for their immigrant insolence.

  240. Rabz

    I think Stan is on it too and I cancelled my subscription as a result. i know it’s 11 bucks a month but anything helps.

    I cancelled my netflix subscription when those gliberal dickheads imposed a new tax on it. Netflix were happy that the new tax was imposed, I was happy that I wouldn’t be paying it and the left wing knobgobbers in treasury were happy that they’d facilitated a net loss to treasury.

    Thankfully, life goes on.

  241. JC

    Stimpson

    Those poor fucks have Stockholm syndrome. They don’t need punishment, they need psychological counseling and possibly heavy duty drugs.

    Everywhere they turn they are hated for basically promulgating centrist polices. This is how fucking left this country has gone. We’re over the 50% threshold where the moochers run the country by voting themselves more spending.

  242. JC

    I cancelled my netflix subscription when those gliberal dickheads imposed a new tax on it. Netflix were happy that the new tax was imposed, I was happy that I wouldn’t be paying it and the left wing knobgobbers in treasury were happy that they’d facilitated a net loss to treasury.

    Thankfully, life goes on.

    I’ll soon be moving the house over to a US proxy server and totally getting rid of Foxtel – another bunch of disgusting moochers.

  243. Zatara

    End of the Dream? Elon Musk’s Financial Woes Begin to Mount

    Tesla Motors reported a record $671 million quarterly loss while the company proved unable to meet its production goal (5,000 cars per week) for the Tesla Model 3, according to The Verge.

    The new tax cut proposed by Republicans threatens to deal a serious blow to Tesla Motors as it would strip the company of its $7,500 per vehicle federal tax credit.

    And it appears that Tesla Motors, SpaceX and SolarCity were built with the help of almost $5 billion worth of government subsidies, making it look like “Musk and his companies’ investors enjoy most of the financial upside of the government support, while taxpayers shoulder the cost,” as the Los Angeles Times put it.

    Tesla’s SolarCity Buyout Looking Worse By the Day. Tesla doesn’t seem to have any interest in keeping its SolarCity business afloat.

    I’m all for private companies getting into the space business, but not for funding Musk’s whims via tax dollars.

  244. srr

    DrBeauGan
    #2549283, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    srr
    #2549278, posted on November 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm

    So which country or organization do the greens party adhere to?

    The Militant Atheist UN

    My objection to the UN, srr, is not that they don’t worship God. It’s that they do worship power. That path leads to hell.

    Yeah, hence the “Militant”, their power crumbles when people hold The First Commandment First, so they simply can’t abide faithful J#ws and Christians.

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