Open Forum: November 11, 2017

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  1. Geriatric Mayfly

    And from where did Magpie deliver her latest knock-out tweet? The steps of the Finsbury Mosque, Harrod’s food hall (Halal section) a Mr Whippy van, or the confines of her poky bed-sit off the Mile End Road?

  2. entropy

    Actually Mal Meninga showed a lot more integrity in his political career than all the current crop of policians out together, Rabz.

  3. cuckoo

    Victorian police officers have called for new pants after reporting their current uniforms are splitting at the crotch when they are trying to arrest people.

    It’s Victoria, fergawdsake. They’re lucky Daniel Andrews doesn’t force them to wear arseless chaps and high heels.

  4. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have Asians in my immediate family Stimp. I know dodgy from Asian.

    So do I, that’s why I asked.

  5. Stimpson J. Cat

    And they had him driving the USS Enterprise?

    Just be thankful it wasn’t an Asian female driver.
    And yes, I can say that and it will not be racist because my Asian ex crashed my car.

  6. egg_

    And from where did Magpie deliver her latest knock-out tweet? The steps of the Finsbury Mosque, Harrod’s food hall (Halal section) a Mr Whippy van, or the confines of her poky bed-sit off the Mile End Road?

    Dunkin donuts?

  7. JC

    Just be thankful it wasn’t an Asian female driver.

    They’re shocking drivers. Just shocking. It’s not that they do wheelies or bullshit like that, it’s the hesitancy of it all.

  8. egg_

    And from where did Magpie deliver her latest knock-out tweet? The steps of the Finsbury Mosque, Harrod’s food hall (Halal section) a Mr Whippy van, or the confines of her poky bed-sit off the Mile End Road?

    IIRC on her ME jaunt, she didn’t pass a baklava she didn’t like.

  9. egg_

    Just be thankful it wasn’t an Asian female driver.

    Anecdotally, heard of a Chinese cement mixer driver a few years back who would cause the onsite cement workers to scatter – I guess he had a GSOH?

  10. They’re shocking drivers. Just shocking. It’s not that they do wheelies or bullshit like that, it’s the hesitancy of it all.

    Smashed into any cars yourself lately, old man?

  11. Geriatric Mayfly

    New Manus footage raises questions
    Video filmed by an asylum seeker on Manus Island points to confusion over who is in control of the alternative site.
    The Oz

    Much more of a worry, is who is control of these intransigent pests. Activists here at home I would venture; exhorting them to hang in there, fake illnesses, strew the place with “naked bodies” and exaggerate their woe begotten state. Send along a Green to stir things up, then call in some jobsworth from the UN and Amnesty, and maybe, maybe, the gates to Centrelink will swing open.

  12. Delta A

    To her, it’s all about the publicity and nothing else but the publicity

    I agree, Mindfree.

    Not going to look up the quote, but I recall her saying – bragging – that she is the most hated little brown-skinned girlie in Australia. And don’t she just love it! So much so that she’s insulting our sacred institutions again, fishing for a tad more nasty, whitey hatred.

    BTW, she does not escape with the Young-and-Foolish card, which Bolt et al frequently play. She is 26 years old. At that age, us hated old Boomer girls were well into running households, raising Christian families, caring for parents and, if we were lucky, working towards the benefit of our family and our country’s economy.

    And not once did we consider that we might be victims!

  13. DrBeauGan

    Oh, I’ve obviously hit a nerve. All you are doing is expressing a philosophical judgment, which is self-defeating given what you’ve said, pretending that philosophical discourse is designed to lead to specific conclusions about this or that which you haven’t demonstrated, and you’re only making such accusations because you do not like some of the conclusions. You’re not the first to do this and you won’t be the last, but as Gilson wryly observed, metaphysics always buries its undertakers.

    Here you go again. If I say rude things about philosophers then I’m doing philosophy so there’s a self contradiction in there.

    I can’t, according to your reasoning, point out that metaphysics has never produced anything but hot air without contradicting myself. This makes metaphysics impregnable. You seem to think this is a good thing.

    I think it’s exposing a fatal weakness.

    You do have Boris on your side; I hope this comforts you.

  14. Snoopy

    Tim Blair

    Turnbull government MP Nola Marino may have acquired Italian citizenship through marriage, in what would represent a new twist in the eligibility crisis that has engulfed the federal Parliament.

  15. calli

    I was a victim. 18% interest rates, double digit inflation.

    😀

  16. zyconoclast

    Can somebody explain to me why Turnbull is reportedly ‘threatening’ to refer Labor’s foreign MPs to the High Court? WTF doesn’t he just do it?

    Has to be done by a resolution of the chamber in which the traitor sits.

    With Barnaby and Alexander now missing, the Libs would now struggle to muster the numbers.

    Why wait till you no longer have control of the House?
    Should have been done during the infamous 7 HC review. It would have been done and dusted by now.

  17. zyconoclast

    Comrades, it isn’t a debacle, they planned it like this.

    +1000

  18. zyconoclast

    Zyconoclast, I’m in QLD.
    Our minute’s silence was an hour later.
    We run on REAL time, not lycra-clad cyclists’ time.
    Live with it.

    It was a compliment.

  19. egg_

    she is the most hated little brown-skinned girlie in Australia. And don’t she just love it!

    Like Adam Goodes, Ernie Dingo and others marrying blondes – pepper covets salt?
    Hence, Goodes’ over-reaction to perceived rejection by a 13 yo girl?

  20. DrBeauGan

    Boris, anybody is free to ask unanswerable questions. Calling them philosophical doesn’t really add dignity to something frivolous. The record of philosophers in actually establishing any truths is not very good. The best you can say is that they sometimes ask thought provoking questions. Anything that invites thought is good, just don’t expect any useful answers from philosophers, or at least those who haven’t yet caught up with Newton.

  21. Andreas

    There’s no way this parliament should sit until the citizenship issue is resolved.

  22. Delta A

    I was a victim. 18% interest rates, double digit inflation.

    Same here, calli. But it was the ‘recession that we had to have’ and so we all tightened our belts, worked harder, ditched any vague hopes of a new ‘fridge or a holiday stuck at it.

  23. It was a compliment.

    In that case, my humblest apologies, Zyconoclast.

  24. Baldrick

    Guess who’s at it again….
    Yassmin Abdel-Magied @yassmin_a
    #LestWeForget.
    (Manus)

    … and copping a hammering in the comments.

  25. rickw

    Actually Mal Meninga showed a lot more integrity in his political career than all the current crop of policians out together, Rabz.

    Mal does a quite a bit in PNG, he seems to be quite a decent bloke from what I’ve seen of him.

  26. Makka

    There’s no way this parliament should sit until the citizenship issue is resolved.

    It’s an absolute farce Andreas and it would be a fitting end to this joke of a party and PM.

  27. Delta A

    But it was the ‘recession that we had to have’

    Perhaps conflating some issues and muddling some dates, but I still stick by (most of) my statement.

  28. notafan

    Aww I can’t read those comments, Baldrick I forgot Yammie blocked me already.

  29. johanna

    Tried to copy and paste, but still breaking in new computer with W10. Grateful if Cats will bear with me for a bit until it all comes together. Also for format fails.

    Anyway, overburdened posted a decent rant about Midnight Oil’s pathetic tour, in which he/she mentioned cashing in.

    Unless other members blew their money, they have no great need of it. Well-known socialist Peter Garrett is very wealthy indeed. He was wealthy before he tapped into the lucrative Parliamentary rorts.

    I’m not talking mega-rich, but tens of millions for sure. In the 1980s, he and family had a mansion in Balgowlah Heights overlooking the sea. Worth seven figures then.

    Like the champagne socialists at TheirABC, Garrett has not exactly taken a vow of poverty.

    Usually old bands get together because they need the money. In this case, while one or two of them may be in need, it’s Relevance Deprivation Syndrome in neon lights.

    One of them tripped and fell over the other night, causing cancellation of the concert. Not a good idea in your 60s. Judge Judy said that a leading gerontogist advised her – if you want to live long, don’t fall.

  30. rickw

    Just be thankful it wasn’t an Asian female driver.

    Anecdotally, heard of a Chinese cement mixer driver a few years back who would cause the onsite cement workers to scatter – I guess he had a GSOH?

    Best l’ve seen was a PNG concrete truck driver, stopped a good 2m past were he was supposed to.

  31. rickw

    There’s no way this parliament should sit until the citizenship issue is resolved.

    Maybe it should never sit again?

    The less they sit the less they fuck things up.

  32. Boambee John

    notafan
    #2549869, posted on November 11, 2017 at 2:22 pm
    Good point Snoopy and what about height differences, say really really tall men and teeny tiny women?

    Old saying for such cases: Nose to nose, toes in; toes to toes, nose in.

  33. Snoopy

    BJ! I’m never going to forget that.

  34. Nick

    Gawd, YAM being called ‘brave’ for leaving her latest steaming pile on Armistice Day I did like this rebuttal though:

    Amy Clarke
    @amy_mclarke 5h
    Replying to @yassmin_a
    Thank you for your bravery Yassmin. I’m with you 100%

    @BenFeminzai 2h
    Lol, that’s only if “bravery” is equal to being racist and sexist, using taxpayer funds to promote a fascist ideology, insulting people who died for our freedoms and then running away when people called her out on it 🤦🏻‍♂️

  35. JC

    Shorting Tesla and going long BMW or even GM (believe it or not) could be a great trade.

    Get a load of the dynamics.

    BMW

    BMW is one of the world’s few pure-play makers of premium cars. The shares, listed solely in Germany, are down 2% this year, to €87, and trade for just eight times projected 2017 and ’18 earnings of around €11 a share, a valuation that gives the company little credit for consistently high operating profit margins of around 10%. “BMW has a recognizable global brand and a strong presence in emerging markets, and generates a lot of cash,” says Herro. “Both Daimler and BMW are significantly undervalued.”

    A third of BMW’s market value of €57 billion is in cash and marketable securities at the company’s automotive unit. (This calculation excludes the finance business.) Herro notes that BMW’s enterprise value (market value less net cash) of $46 billion is lower than Tesla’s, at $59 billion.

    BMW will sell more than two million vehicles this year, including 100,000 electric cars (with hybrids), compared with Tesla’s expected production of 100,000 cars. Tesla could lose $1.5 billion in 2017.

    Credit Suisse’s Schwarz argues that BMW’s earnings power is underappreciated. He cites the positive impact of several new models, including the 5 series sedan and X3 sport-utility vehicle. “It is the most profitable of European auto makers, with a product cycle that should accelerate from here,” he says.

    Schwarz expects BMW to earn almost €14 a share in 2019, above the consensus forecast of €11. He rates the stock Outperform, with a price target of €126 a share. Shares yield 4%.

  36. squawkbox

    I’m a bit sorry for our Yasmin, running away from Australia then finding she has to compete in London in the International Frightbat Olympics with Germaine Greer, Kathy Lette, Polly Toynbee, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and all the rest of the Guardian Comment Macht Frei wimminses. Out of the frying pan into the blast furnace, methinks

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Old saying for such cases: Nose to nose, toes in; toes to toes, nose in.

    And when I was in, I got lonely, because I had no – one to talk to.

  38. DrBeauGan

    I’ve followed various links to Twitter, and think you are very brave. I find it depressing to discover how many fuckwits there are in the world. Like the idiot who thought yass was brave for posting a virtue signalling tweet. Yeah. Even more courageous than the young men who died for their country.

    We have loons with absolutely no sense of proportion at all, and no self awareness.

  39. Boambee John

    Re my Remembrance Day post, for those who don’t know, a “Jack Johnson” was a German 150mm (5.9 inch) artillery shell.

    The world heavyweight boxing champion at that time was an African-American named Jack Johnson. He was big, powerful and black.

    A 150mm shell was big and powerful, and emitted a large cloud of black smoke when it exploded.

    Hence Jack Johnson!

  40. Baldrick

    Always best to make two Twatter accounts nota.
    One to stick it to Leftards and the other for trolling.

  41. overburdened

    On indulgence, anyone who in a serious conversation says, ‘my philosophy is…’ does not understand the point. It would be advantageous if the WWW crashed and burnt. Passionate people would have to revert to letter drops or public notices in the newspaper, for as long as they continue to exist. Imagine the raffles to get on the ABC for a platform. I presume I would not develop relevance deprivation syndrome (C)

  42. cynical1

    No wonder Scotty always looked worried.

    “Ah cannae hold it, Skipper, He’s gonna blow”…

  43. notafan

    Cheers Baldy. I’ll get on it

  44. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’m a bit sorry for our Yasmin, running away from Australia then finding she has to compete in London in the International Frightbat Olympics with Germaine Greer, Kathy Lette, Polly Toynbee, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and all the rest of the Guardian Comment Macht Frei wimminses.

    You forget the doyeness of them all Laurie Penny. No matter. Yassy when she gets those gnashers clashing, and that Gatling gun off a mouth is at its withering best; she could reduce the lot of them to dribbling incoherence.

  45. JC

    It’s pretty amazing that Crooked had the US intel apparatus listening to the Trump camapign, outspent him by almost 3 to1 and still couldn’t win.

  46. squawkbox

    You forget the doyeness of them all Laurie Penny. No matter. Yassy when she gets those gnashers clashing, and that Gatling gun off a mouth is at its withering best; she could reduce the lot of them to dribbling incoherence.

    How could I have forgotten Laurie? You’d only have to get her, Yasmin (either A-M or A-B) and the USA’s Jessica Valenti (again, how could I have forgotten her) together for a critical mass of retarded self-obsession to form, with who knows what results.

  47. areff

    Moments like this I wish I was writing heds for the London Sun:

    “Destination Uranus”
    “Sulu tried to take model where no man had gone before”

    Star Trek veteran George Takei believed Klingons were lurking between the twin moons of hunky model Pud Puller when he fuelled himself with Saurian Brandy and embarked on a late night voyage of discovery aboard a yellow beanbag….

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Your expertise in philosophical argument amounts to no more than constructing natural language abstractions, which you call metaphysics, designed to lead you to the conclusions you want to reach. Post modernists do exactly the same, just different abstractions and different conclusions. This would be intellectually dishonest if you understood what you are doing. I’m charitable enough to assume you haven’t noticed.
    But I have.

    A bit harsh, Dr. BG. Algebra isn’t everything that is worthwhile and there is a tremendous arrogance in people who think that they alone have a key to comprehending the universe. My first husband, known here as The Lefty Philosopher, which will do, was brilliant in his arcane field and certainly did collect a Sydney University Medal (or two, and pace Johanna in her unethical ‘searches’, I don’t lie about such things, as you will all one day find out) but his arrogance in his youth was quite off-putting for many people. He didn’t mean to be arrogant, he was just immersed in a highly complex logical universe and system which obscured for him the rest of life. Almost a form of autism, which the genetics of our firstborn son perhaps bears out. His work still got him invited to complete his PhD at both Oxford and Harvard; but then I was pregnant and our son was born and our sad decline started, so he accepted neither (which he very much regrets today), staying with an Australian university.

    Last night I got onto Wiki and did a quick revision of General Relativity to see how much I actually could recall from past times, chasing through some links on their best piece (there are a few versions, some simpler than others), which although appropriately succinct is composed mostly of links, given the nature of the field. It includes a few relevant equations. Then I had an interesting pillow-talk with Da Hairy Irish Ape, who has his own PhD in Science and is a man of some intellectual substance in a field requiring a critical understanding of things like Quantum Computing.

    We spoke in ordinary English about the endeavor of physics as a system of thought expressed in equations about mass and energy in a geometric existence, often competing equations depending on the theoretical constructs used by protagonists to explain variations in gravitational pull. We agreed that cosmologically, once Einstein had dumped his ‘cosmological constant’, the results are pretty good so far, although in the detail there is always disagreement and yes, you do have to understand the equations to work out what is being said. Hairy though is unimpressed to date with efforts to reconcile the cosmological with the quantum, the behavior of atomic particles.

    So you are right there, Dr. BG. But you don’t have to do the maths to understand that this is a system, constructed by human mathematical testing which is not always secure, and that it is a model subject to empirical confirmation wherever possible and so far in much of it, so good. Hairy however gets extremely annoyed at physicists who can publish 50 abstruse mathematical equations fighting with others over minutiae, or even about major constructs, without any grounding in results, and take masses of ARC funding for it to the detriment of some of his own protegees who have to produce something significant and real. I know Dover takes exception to the ‘angels on the head of a pin’ analogy (a furphy, he says, Catholics didn’t do that) but such publishing can devolve into ‘I know better than you’ posturing and claims to authority in the pub. Models are just that until tested, and no doubt you Dr. BG would argue that these publications in the language of physical equations are the testing part. True, but also insufficient.

    Fortunately, astrophysical and particle experimentation can come to the rescue and physics isn’t resigned to endless equations all with mathematical points in favour and against; in a sense taking the place of your despised ‘natural language abstractions’ in other total systems (let us not forget that physics also has to ‘name’ things – thus we get black holes, dark matter, ‘strong’ and ‘weak’ forces, which represent ideas not necessarily proofs). I agree that post-modernism, in its extremes, does create such linguistic abstractions, and that they are largely meaningless. I once reviewed a post-modernist thesis which consisted almost entirely of engagement with these constructs, the central core of which system I found very wanting, although its superstructure was delicately created with some depth of thought; a depth that then became totally lost on lesser students who took up some of those ‘named constructs’ and bandied them about willy-nilly outside their original referential system in a couple of PhD theses I was asked to comment on. The same thing happened with Althusserian Marxism until, as Dover suggests happens to all who lose reason within their own modelling, the undertakers were buried by common sense. Now I won’t get on to ‘climate science’ in all of this, but the parallels are there in whole systems of GIGO where the theoretical base is poorly understood and differentiated (Pacific OO, for example, or what goes on around super-volcanos), let alone properly modelled.

    For those interested, here is where to start:

    General relativity has been described as the most beautiful of all existing physical theories.[3][4] General relativity generalizes special relativity and Newton’s law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime. In particular, the curvature of spacetime is directly related to the energy and momentum of whatever matter and radiation are present. The relation is specified by the Einstein field equations, a system of partial differential equations.
    Some predictions of general relativity differ significantly from those of classical physics, especially concerning the passage of time, the geometry of space, the motion of bodies in free fall, and the propagation of light. Examples of such differences include gravitational time dilation, gravitational lensing, the gravitational redshift of light, and the gravitational time delay. The predictions of general relativity have been confirmed in all observations and experiments to date. Although general relativity is not the only relativistic theory of gravity, it is the simplest theory that is consistent with experimental data. However, unanswered questions remain, the most fundamental being how general relativity can be reconciled with the laws of quantum physics to produce a complete and self-consistent theory of quantum gravity.
    Einstein’s theory has important astrophysical implications. For example, it implies the existence of black holes—regions of space in which space and time are distorted in such a way that nothing, not even light, can escape—as an end-state for massive stars. There is ample evidence that the intense radiation emitted by certain kinds of astronomical objects is due to black holes; for example, microquasars and active galactic nuclei result from the presence of stellar black holes and supermassive black holes, respectively. The bending of light by gravity can lead to the phenomenon of gravitational lensing, in which multiple images of the same distant astronomical object are visible in the sky. General relativity also predicts the existence of gravitational waves, which have since been observed directly by physics collaboration LIGO. In addition, general relativity is the basis of current cosmological models of a consistently expanding universe.

  49. Geriatric Mayfly

    Here’s one for Yassy to ponder, while she is feeding (illegally) the pigeons in Trafalgar Sq.

    On this Remembrance Day, 99 years later, recall that some 750,000 British soldiers, marines, and sailors were killed in WWI and nearly 400,000 more in WWII. Today, some 23,000 Muslim jihadists are in Britain, all recent émigrés – numbers roughly equivalent to two German WWII divisions. More American Thinker

  50. Nick

    Areff,
    Things heated up when he lined up for re entry.

  51. areff

    George has also suffered from Venus envy.

    Incidentally, he’ll be speaking about his life of oppression and misery at Melbourne Town Hall on Thursday night — interned in a US “concentration camp” (his words, I kid you not) as a kid, now a pariah for a compulsion to unbuckle the Van Allan belt of twinky-twinkling star

    Oh, and to make it a winning double, his interlocutor at the Town Hall will be …. Benjamin Law

    A night not to be missed.

  52. calli

    It was da forward thrusters wot dun ‘im in.

  53. Rabz

    @BenFeminazi 2h
    Lol, that’s only if “bravery” is equal to being racist and sexist, using taxpayer funds to promote a fascist ideology, insulting people who died for our freedoms and then running away when people called her out on it 🤦🏻‍♂️

    Now that’s how you deal with intolerable degenerate scum like Yassim Abdul-McDweeb.

  54. Tintarella di Luna

    The Midnight Oil ad for their RDS tour comes on the tele too often, I cannot stand looking at Goofy Garrett. Great to be a socialism-spruiking SJW or hectoring Hollyweird illiterati gliteratti when you have tens of millions in the bank.

  55. calli

    Or…it’s all a crafty Romulan plot.

    Time for the Corbomite Manoeuvre!

  56. Shy Ted

    Star Trek veteran George Takei wanted to rename the Enterprise the Prise and Enter.

  57. John64

    LOL

    TheirABC wheel out none other than Ian Rintoul on the 7pm news to defend the behaviour of feral protesters who assaulted Christine Forster.

  58. areff

    Warp drive made Sulu hot for Bones

  59. johanna

    squawkbox
    #2550008, posted on November 11, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    I’m a bit sorry for our Yasmin, running away from Australia then finding she has to compete in London in the International Frightbat Olympics with Germaine Greer, Kathy Lette, Polly Toynbee, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and all the rest of the Guardian Comment Macht Frei wimminses. Out of the frying pan into the blast furnace, methinks
    squawkbox
    #2550008, posted on November 11, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    I’m a bit sorry for our Yasmin, running away from Australia then finding she has to compete in London in the International Frightbat Olympics with Germaine Greer, Kathy Lette, Polly Toynbee, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and all the rest of the Guardian Comment Macht Frei wimminses. Out of the frying pan into the blast furnace, methinks

    Well spotted, squawcker.

    The competition is very stiff, and all of them are hovering, waiting for her to go a hairsbreadth out of line before they pounce.

    She’s not very bright, and if they decide to go for her, she will be uncovered petfood.

    Incidentally, I noticed that last night our bimbo intellectual-in-residence (that would be Lizzie) posted in characteristically self-deprecating terms about her understanding (sic) of physics and cosmology and all that. Why, professors and suchlike had praised her for her amazing grasp of these issues, which others spend a lifetime working on!

    Sadly, our self-proclaimed literary star fell at the first hurdle. In the very first sentence of her pretentious screed, she revealed that despite her immense literary knowledge, she does not know the difference between ‘”disinterested” and “uninterested.”

    Then someone, who I hope had satirical intent, said that it was “beautifully written.”

    🙂

  60. Rabz

    Bluddee hell – has yet another Hollywierd f*ckwit been busted for being a total sleazebag (BIRM)?

  61. areff

    Sulu begged me to probe his ring of satin

  62. H B Bear

    Alexanderini has resigned – potential grateness, peoples!

    Waffleworth is oozing Potential Greatness. It is running down his leg and puddling around his feet.

  63. Geriatric Mayfly

    TheirABC wheel out none other than Ian Rintoul on the 7pm news to defend the behaviour of feral protesters who assaulted Christine Forster.

    Just knew that this Commo prick would pop up somewhere during the current faux crisis on Manus. No better craven sympathisers than those at the ABC, to find him and give the scumbag some oxygen.

  64. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From BorisG at 4:59 pm:

    In those days life was about family it is no longer the way of the world today

    let’s not idealise the days past. were it as as idyllic as you describe we wouldn’t have had two world wars, communism and Nazism.”

    No, “let’s” pull your dumb head in instead BorisG.

    Dismissing Lily’s first hand account of her personal experience with your “idealise” is ignorant and insulting, and linking family life, cohesive or fractured, as a cause for communism and other world events is incoherent.

  65. Mother Lode

    I think Trudeau’s missus grounded him for spending too much time on X-Box, and signing government documents with a little love-heart above the ‘i’ in Justin and printing all the other letters in different colours of texta.

  66. DrBeauGan

    A bit harsh, Dr. BG. Algebra isn’t everything that is worthwhile

    I never said it was, Lizzie. But my original remarks were on the topic of language and abstractions.

    My objection to Dover’s arguments is that they share a common flaw. They abstract from our world and the abstractions become things to be used to derive conclusions about the world. This is shaky. Chess is an abstraction from warfare. What Dover does is akin to using chess principles to figure out how to win a battle. He might get away with it once or twice, but it wouldn’t be a reliable method.

    Physics does something similar by building mathematical models. The difference is that nobody except the odd whacko believes that the output of the models are truths about the world. They have to be tested with observations. It’s all very tentative, but metaphysical reasoning isn’t. Dover, like Aristotle and Plato before him, believes he can arrive at truth this way. I don’t.

  67. squawkbox

    Talking of officer Sulu http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/11/10/george-takei-accused-sexually-assaulting-former-model-l-home-1981/

    Not that I have any sympathy for anyone with a measurable testosterone count who simply didn’t rearrange that bitchy old queen’s teeth at the first opportunity.

  68. Nick

    Takei attempted to penetrate the models’ deflector shield. Takei, who was in full warp drive as usual, had his phaser set to more than just stun.

  69. areff

    Sulu picked over the captain’s log

  70. marcus classis

    Boambee John
    #2550014, posted on November 11, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    And a 77mm was called a ‘whizz-bang’

  71. marcus classis

    Areff, nothing about exploring black holes, OK?

  72. Boambee John

    johanna at 1758

    Well-known socialist Peter Garrett is very wealthy indeed.

    Only the rich can afford to be socialists!

  73. marcus classis

    Areff:

    A night not to be missed.

    The only thing I’d like not to miss that venue on night is an artillery barrage.

  74. egg_

    Best l’ve seen was a PNG concrete truck driver, stopped a good 2m past were he was supposed to.

    IIRC this guy was an OK driver – it just shows that perception comes to the fore when it’s a life-or-death situation – something that the virtue-signalling PC crowd deny, but is within all of us.

  75. C.L.

    Takei is of course a prominent intellectual gerbil warmer who Tony Springer-Jones invited on Q&A as an expert panelist.

    You have to hand it to SBS and the ABC.
    That’s at least two terrorists and one rapist they’ve had as one-time expert guests.

  76. egg_

    Midnight Oil’s pathetic tour

    It’s now the ‘in-bed-by-10-o’clock-with-a-Bonox’ tour?

  77. Geriatric Mayfly

    It’s now the ‘in-bed-by-10-o’clock-with-a-Bonox’ tour?

    And a handy chamber pot under the bed.

  78. areff

    nothing about exploring black holes

    Wacist!

  79. John64

    It’s now the ‘in-bed-by-10-o’clock-with-a-Bonox’ tour?

    The Power and the Pension Tour.

    h/t Blair.

  80. johanna

    The Lefty Philosopher, which will do, was brilliant in his arcane field and certainly did collect a Sydney University Medal (or two, and pace Johanna in her unethical ‘searches’, I don’t lie about such things, as you will all one day find out)

    Seriously, you want to revisit this?

    First, you posted a lot of very identifying information about some poor sod who who claimed was your first husband, especially what a genius he is.

    When challenged, you admitted that you had changed some details.

    In other words, you lied. At no stage in your earlier boasting did you admit any such thing.

    Now, you are telling us that “one day the truth will be revealed.”

    I thought that you had recovered from Grandiosity Syndrome until I read that ludicrous and embarrassing post the other night.

    Ay-ya-ya-yi-yi!

  81. rickw

    On this Remembrance Day, 99 years later, recall that some 750,000 British soldiers, marines, and sailors were killed in WWI and nearly 400,000 more in WWII. Today, some 23,000 Muslim jihadists are in Britain, all recent émigrés – numbers roughly equivalent to two German WWII divisions. More American Thinker

    The goat fuckers will be done in 2 weeks once the ordinary folk put their mind to it.

  82. egg_

    Takei is of course a prominent intellectual gerbil warmer who Tony Springer-Jones invited on Q&A as an expert panelist.

    Another member of the Q&A circus troupe – he probably probed ToJo in the Greenroom beforehand?

  83. rickw

    It’s pretty amazing that Crooked had the US intel apparatus listening to the Trump camapign, outspent him by almost 3 to1 and still couldn’t win.

    Lefties are fucking hopeless.

  84. Nick

    Takei is of course a prominent intellectual gerbil warmer who Tony Springer-Jones invited on Q&A as an expert panelist.

    Of course had Takei’s politics been more right of centre, Twitter would be howling for hi. To be removed from the panel as we speak.

  85. rickw

    Veterans pub crawl in Saipan, star spangled army duck, nice work!

  86. Mother Lode

    Mick Trumble –

    Agile! Innovative!

    But, above all, Wily! (Like the coyote)

  87. JC

    Very angry this evening, Johanna. Very, very angry.

  88. egg_

    Takei is of course a prominent intellectual gerbil warmer who Tony Springer-Jones invited on Q&A as an expert panelist.

    Takei thought Gene Roddenberry was making a documentary?

  89. H B Bear

    TheirABC wheel out none other than Ian Rintoul on the 7pm news to defend the behaviour of feral protesters who assaulted Christine Forster.

    CEO of the Refugee Industry. Another finger to Australia from the staff co-op.

  90. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏Verified account @jordanbpeterson 4h4 hours ago

    It’s far easier to teach teachers to be ideologues than to educate them or hold them to genuine standards.

    Profs publish book on pushing ‘social justice’ in class

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10132

  91. calli

    Joh, are you discovering the joys of Win10?

    Condolences.

  92. srr

    Jordan B Peterson Retweeted
    Jonathan Kay‏Verified account @jonkay 19h19 hours ago

    Great to see @globeandmail come out forcefully against @LawsocietyLSUC compelled-speech for lawyers. Makes excellent point that LSUC would never put up with this crap from any other part of society
    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/globe-editorial-ontario-law-society-cant-put-words-in-peoples-mouths/article36898342/

  93. nothing about exploring black holes

    Don’t be silly. Everybody knows Interfeller Spacey Travel is via warmholes.

  94. rickw

    Mick Trumble –

    Agile! Innovative!

    But, above all, Wily! (Like the coyote)

    The ACME party of Australia?

  95. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏Verified account @jordanbpeterson 5h5 hours ago

    Tomorrow I’m speaking in a panel with Gad Saad, Oren Amitay and Sarina Singh.
    Planned for crowd of 200 in August.
    Were shut down. 1400 attending tomorrow.

  96. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏Verified account @jordanbpeterson 5h5 hours ago

    They are bloody indoctrination cults. Plain and simple.

    Friday November 10, 2017
    U of T profs alarmed by Jordan Peterson’s plan to target classes he calls ‘indoctrination cults’

    http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-edition-1.4396970/u-of-t-profs-alarmed-by-jordan-peterson-s-plan-to-target-classes-he-calls-indoctrination-cults-1.4396974

  97. Roger

    CEO of the Refugee Industry. Another finger to Australia from the staff co-op.

    More than that; Rintoul is a Trotskyite international Socialist with decades of service to the case.

    The ostensible cause is only a vehicle for the true cause.

    Come the revolution, any refugees not on board would be immediately dispensable.

  98. overburdened

    Slow news night so news.com.au has a op piece about Kuta. It can be confirmed that the place is rooted and has been for a long time. My last surf trip to Bali was in 1990 and it was rooted then in comparison to earlier trips commencing in the 70’s. West Timor locally and Sri Lanka are IMO the places to go.
    It is conformed that the mentioned news article is not telling anyone anything that wasn’t common knowledge.

  99. marcus classis

    memoryvault
    #2550075, posted on November 11, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    Noooooooooooooooooooo!

    You, sir, nearly owed me a keyboard.

  100. Zatara

    The war dead are not simply gone, marked by static crosses in a windy field. The Earth sends new life forth as a symbol of their living spirit, and a sign to those left behind of our obligation to keep that spirit among us through our own earthly lives. The poppies – fire-red flowers on long stems – grow from the graves of the dead as Nature’s torches, which, if we refuse to accept them from those “failing hands,” will burn as lonely symbols of our broken faith.

    Quote from American Thinker.

  101. overburdened

    Tonga defeat NZ in boofhead ball. Yay but who cares really. I hope the NZers continue to attribute their loss to their new head honcho of the feral fangs and dead cat.

  102. Roger

    Another day in the QLD election campaign, another rush from both main parties to promise $ for everything from basketball courts to swimming lessons.

    Government debt = $80 billion +.

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dr. BG. I agree that metaphysical reasoning can’t be tested against the world but that is because I am a skeptic at heart and an agnostic by reasoning. Physics gives us the how of things, the process, not the why, the existence, in the sense of comprehending what gravity is apart from being a relational concept, a process of the universe and of all universes; in dimensions beyond our understanding? You have to stop somewhere and just say: I don’t know. I do it at the Big Bang. You’ll note that above I see empirical (and mathematical) testing as something that General Relatively does allow.

    My view of metaphysics is that it is a very nice closed system and that it must be supported by faith, which is rather a difficult thing to assess beyond how individuals perceive it, although for the faithful the test actually is there in the real world, in miracles and in evanescence and the deity’s gift of human reason. Plato and Aristotle supported their systems by the value of logic and human reason. I respect this view of things, for those who truly have found faith. They’ve probably won the lucky dip.

    Johanna, I can’t recall now whether Dr. BG used disinterested or uninterested with regard to me and the General Theory of Relativity. I probably used whatever word he used. I can only say that both would ‘generally’ apply. 🙂

    Your comments above about me are spiteful as well as being wrong.
    Were you the spiteful girl at school?

  104. H B Bear

    Pony Girl understands the power of free shit. She’s made a career off the back of it.

  105. calli

    Pony Girl understands the power of free shit. She’s made a career off the back of it.

    Two dollars a bag is the going rate.

  106. JC

    Fmd, now this is a budget deficit.

    Mbs is the prince.. the fucker who imprisoned those rich Saudis and wants to confiscate US$800 billion.

    MbS apparently has the Saudi people on his side, particularly those under 30, who make up roughly 70% of the population, says Abdeslam Maghraoui, professor of political science at Duke University. The generational demographics are “working for MbS.”

    But a big drop in oil prices has hurt the country’s economy, which is showing no growth. Saudi Arabia’s rapid population increase means it must diversify away from oil. The fiscal deficit has risen to about 17.2% of gross domestic product from 15.8% in 2015, while international reserves have dropped to $485 billion from nearly $750 billion three years ago. “This prince is obsessed with economic reforms,” says Stratfor’s Hawthorne. “He has no choice.”

    Investors do, however. Saudi Arabia didn’t have the rule of law before the crackdown, and it doesn’t now. Nor does it have a clear path to rule of law. Investing in Saudi Arabia, or with its PIF, remains speculative.

    As Blake Clayton, an analyst at Rondure Global Advisors, puts it, standout companies in the region are the exception. “The Middle East can be the type of place where you’re more worried about a return of your capital than a return on your capital,” he says.

    Perhaps MbS will “solve” the Saudi Arabian Rubik’s Cube. If he doesn’t, dark days could follow.

  107. Baldrick

    TheirABC wheel out none other than Ian Rintoul on the 7pm news to defend the behaviour of feral protesters who assaulted Christine Forster.

    Here’s a clue why TheirABC went with Ian Rintoul

    There was a huge crowd that blocked one of the main entrances, people blocking some of the other entrances,” Mr Rintoul said.
    He said he “didn’t see any mistreatment of Christine Forster” but that he knew Ms Forster had needed police to escort her into the event.
    “I think it’s nothing compared to the government’s response on Manus Island,” Mr Rintoul said.

  108. DrBeauGan

    Johanna, I can’t recall now whether Dr. BG used disinterested or uninterested with regard to me and the General Theory of Relativity. I probably used whatever word he used. I can only say that both would ‘generally’ apply. 🙂

    Not me, Lizzie. I noticed that you got it wrong but was too polite to point it out. I blame my upbringing.

  109. H B Bear

    LOL Roskam sticks the boot into Blabersak in Australia’s leading anti-business business pamphlet,

    “With this comment, the deputy Labor leader revealed she doesn’t understand what the onus of proof is. And she demonstrated her ignorance of the fact that unfortunately Coalition and Labor governments routinely overturn the presumption of innocence.”

    Probably not the dumbest Liars politician while Wayne Goosesteen waits for his honorary appointment to the Nambour TAFE on the backbench but definitely on the podium.

  110. Boambee John

    Message to the gays from the Forster fracas.

    The left might not accept homophobia from people who criticise SSM, but they will accept homophobia from Muslims who would cheerfully kill every member of the alphabet people. You are not at the top of the victimology totem pole.

  111. Nick

    Forster must be the unluckiest lezzo in the country. Any other rug muncher attacked by protestors would be on heavy outrage rotation as a victim.

  112. lily

    BorisG at 4.59
    We had a red angus bull who’s name was Boris he was a bit on the nasty side, a pocket knife and a ring in his nose soon pulled him into gear.
    I know about the world wars I had relatives who lost their lives because of them, one was only 18. If you don’t think the world was a better place for a while because of them well that’s your problem.

  113. John64

    QLD election looks like it will come down to which has the most seats; ALP+Greens+KAP or LNP+PHON.

    Suck it up Banana Benders.

  114. Pickles

    Sulu (the wily celestial) spied the young chap floating in the sea of tranquility and made ready to drop anchor in pooh bay.

  115. John64

    Forster must be the unluckiest lezzo in the country. Any other rug muncher attacked by protestors would be on heavy outrage rotation as a victim.

    Being the sister of Abbott666 completely cancels any hand you were dealt in victim poker.

  116. johanna

    calli
    #2550073, posted on November 11, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    Joh, are you discovering the joys of Win10?

    Condolences.

    I’ts not as bad as I thought it would be, but early days.

    Problems with W10 are muffled by the joys of my big new computer screen, with tip-top resolution and sound compared to whatever it was.

    I notice that W10 has a lot of irritating features, but I plan to eliminate them over time.

    As someone who wrestled the pig called Vista to the ground, this should be a doddle.

    BTW, the joint has been awash with fluff for the last couple of weeks – exhibitionist poplars gone wild in the mating season. It’s like being in a pillowfight 24/7.

  117. C.L.

    The degenerate nimrods governing our nation …
    Queensland election coverage on the news tonight …
    The LNP leader goes to a pool and promises free swimming lessons for every Queensland child.
    Meanwhile the Premier was at a netball arena declaring to the gathered children, “I’m going to give $5 million for five new courts – what do you think about that?”
    Yay!
    I’m going to…
    It’s her money, see.

  118. John Constantine

    What percentage of the Australian Islamic population are under thirty?.

    It seems there has been a deliberate policy by Australian elites to create a military age activist militia from Wahhabi raw materials.

    We will never back away from full compliance with the agendas of the corrupt transnational vote rigging cartels.

  119. C.L.

    So far, all the celebrities Weinsteined by their victims are prominent Democrat loyalists.
    Interesting.

  120. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Snoopy at 4:55 pm:

    “Our Yass should get herself to Manus and put out for the lads. Give the Manus schoolkids a break.”

    This reminded me that your average bloke from Darfur doesn’t have a lot of time for uppity wymminses and has, over time, carved out what he reckons is their proper place in society. These chappies have also worked how best to manage the family when the wymminses demur.

    Our Yassminses Abdul the Bul-Bul Magpie would have done well to travel to Londonistan via her family home, to remind herself just how spiffingly well things turned out in the Sudan after Gordon of Khartoum and the Queens Fusiliers departed the region.

  121. John Constantine

    Violence against women.

    For all the money spent on advertising campaigns, those violent against women related to Abbott is simply progressing Stalinism, so it doesn’t count.

  122. John Constantine

    Violence against woman relative of Abbott is okay, say the left because she asked for it.

    Activists will be activists in the heat of the passionate moment, then be sorry in the morning.

  123. Tel

    I notice that W10 has a lot of irritating features, but I plan to eliminate them over time.

    That’s exactly what Microsoft was saying back when Windows 8 first came out.

  124. C.L.

    Crikey.
    Could the ADF please find six non-fatsos next time they dispatch a squad for flag duty at a major sporting fixture? One soldier’s gut and arse were about to bust his brass buckle at the Australia/Lebanon game.

  125. egg_

    drop anchor in pooh bay.

    Last seen bobbing up and down on a b(u)oy.

  126. marcus classis

    Monty would love these mohammedan animals.

    At least 78% of the child-rape gangs in the UK are mohammedan.

    They say they are not to blame, the British and their victims are!

    “The crimes are committed in this country; these grooming crimes are not committed in Pakistan. They are committed in this society, and it is the conditions of this society that are encouraging people to commit crimes like that,” he asserts confidently.

    Newcastle groomer: “White women are good for only one thing – for people like me to f*** and use as trash.”

    Tree. Rope. Child raping mohammedan.

    Some assembly required.

  127. H B Bear

    For all the money spent on advertising campaigns, those violent against women related to Abbott is simply progressing Stalinism, so it doesn’t count.

    I think you’ll find that applies only to white males. Everyone else gets a pass.

  128. Zatara

    California economy a measly 37th, behind Michigan and Ohio

    Wow. Some really eye opening numbers in there. It’s easy to see why they went 67% Clinton in 2016 as they are a total Democrat basket case being held barely above water almost exclusively by the likes of Apple, Facebook, and Google.

    Forget Appalachia, the California poverty rate is now 23.4%. They have 33% of the entire nation’s welfare cases. A damned shame as it is one of the most beautiful of the states (once you get 30-40 miles from LAX).

    Now consider all the noise they make about secession from the US…. and laugh.

    On the bright side, if they sink much further the illegals might scamper back to Mexico for a better standard of living.

  129. Makka

    Newcastle groomer: “White women are good for only one thing – for people like me to f*** and use as trash.”

    Judging by the appalling results of UK plod to nail these animals, it’s fair to assume that they have some sympathy from the Met for their downtrodden, victimised position.

  130. H B Bear

    The crimes are committed in this country; these grooming crimes are not committed in Pakistan.

    Pakistan sanctions the rape of minors via marriage.

  131. marcus classis

    John64
    #2550098, posted on November 11, 2017 at 8:28 pm
    QLD election looks like it will come down to which has the most seats; ALP+Greens+KAP or LNP+PHON.

    Suck it up Banana Benders.

    Hey, I’m just sitting back with the popcorn at this stage.

    My question is “Will you support Adani and the monetisation of the Galilee coal basin’s coal?”

    Local ALP candidate: waffle, bulldust, waffle, how many coal companies can dance on the head of a pin, oh look I have navel fluff.

    So no, then, but at least you are trying not to lie.

    LNP and PHON, question not asked yet.

  132. Boambee John

    “The crimes are committed in this country; these grooming crimes are not committed in Pakistan.

    That’s because in Pakistan they don’t have to groom them, the family hands them over on request (or even without a request).

  133. egg_

    ALP+Greens+KAP

    Blackfella Bob’s Agrarian Socialist Pardee?

  134. Nick

    After Takeis appearance on Q and A, the are inviting Milo onto the show, non ?

  135. zyconoclast

    QLD election looks like it will come down to which has the most seats; ALP+Greens+KAP or LNP+PHON.

    KAP and PHON have a preference swap deal.

  136. johanna

    Johanna, I can’t recall now whether Dr. BG used disinterested or uninterested with regard to me and the General Theory of Relativity. I probably used whatever word he used. I can only say that both would ‘generally’ apply.

    Stop making stuff up. He didn’t.

    You launched into an embarrassing (to any normal person) screed about physics and cosmo;ogy, including how un-named people had praised you for your insights. You have been telling us for years and years about the book you are writing, complete with literary references. Quite the guru.

    Yet, you don’t know the difference between “disinterested” and “uninterested.”

    What a pity that you and your brilliant philosopher hubbie never got across that subject.

    You’re a fraud, hun.

  137. johanna

    Cracker of a thunderstorm happening here just now.

    I love a good storm from within a solid brick residence. 🙂

  138. jupes

    Chess is an abstraction from warfare.

    I like both.

  139. Helen

    Today I want to thank all service men and women for serving. Thank you. You protect our freedoms, with whatever kit you have and despite the governments of the day, you remain. I hope and trust that one day we will also give you the respect and help you need after your service as we gladly accept your sacrifices during it.

    God Bless you all.

  140. Pedro the Ignorant

    I just watched a doco on the History Channel about Australian soldiers in Vietnam in the battle of Fire Support Base Coral in 1968.

    Incredibly brave actions against a numerically superior Vietnamese enemy, Australian artillery over run and recaptured, dozens of killed and wounded Australians, many gallantry medals awarded and yet many Australians have never heard of this battle.

    Swept under the carpet by the anti-war “moratorium” protesters?

    Out Vietnam veterans deserve a lot more recognition than they receive.

  141. zyconoclast

    Debunking two American myths

    This article was written for the Unz Review

    There are two myths which are deeply imprinted in the minds of most US Americans which are extremely dangerous and which can result in a war with Russia.

    The first myth is the myth of the US military superiority.
    The second myth is the myth about the US invulnerability.

  142. Geriatric Mayfly

    Overheard a conversation today as to how much local canola was lost in the recent November frost. If it’s going into bio-fuels I would have expected some sympathy from the Greens and the ABC (is that a tautology) regarding this interruption to global warming.

  143. Snoopy

    I didn’t catch anything on the SBS or ABC news about that George Takei pervert. Could it possibly be because of his climate change views? His anti-Trumpism? His homosexual proclivities. Or all three?

  144. zyconoclast

    Who knew?

    Female Masons

    So secret that they agreed to do a BBC doco on it.

  145. C.L.

    Female Masons

    Who did you think embroidered the aprons and the goat ribbons?

  146. John64

    I’m not a big Pickering fan but his most recent post makes a good point.

    Every Parliamentarian swears allegiance to the Crown but the High Court has decided that you can’t sit in Parliament as a dual British citizen.

    Surely a blatant contradiction?

  147. zyconoclast

    Sicily votes 81% against the EU Status Quo – It Begins!

    The contagion from Catalonia is indeed spreading to Italy. The Democratic Party (PD) led by former Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has suffered a severe defeat in Sicily. The Eurosceptic parties have won the election sending yet another warning sign to Brussels that they refuse to accept demand reform.

    The Democratic Party has lost the regional elections in Sicily in a very DRAMATIC way. Renzi’s party came in third place with just 19% of the vote. The candidate, supported by Silvio Berlusconi, has won around 40%. I have written before that RELIABLE sources revealed that the EU had staged a coup in Italy to overthrow Berlusconi because he was proposing back then to exit the Euro.
    Brussels refuses to listen and reform anything. Berlusconi proudly announced: “Sicily has chosen the path of change, as I have demanded,” in his video message on Facebook. Sicily is one of the poorest provinces in Italy. Youth unemployment is alarmingly high and many people migrate out of lack of prospects to the north or abroad.
    Brussels is not interested in the people of Europe. This is now all about saving the jobs of the politicians in Brussels. They have no job without the Euro.

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You launched into an embarrassing (to any normal person) screed about physics and cosmo;ogy,

    Address the substance of my comments if you wish to enter the debate on contemporary cosmological science and its perspectives vs. metaphysics. If you can’t, then be quiet about the utility or otherwise of my contributions. As an aside, I have merely explained the circumstances of my acquaintance with the study of cosmological issues in order to make it clear that I claim no specific expertise for myself. However, I do point out that lay people such as I am can comprehend developments in cosmological theory, and I offers some links for those interested.

    I have published two essays in Quadrant Magazine recently (one forthcoming in the December issue). What have you done?

    I am currently writing an historical thesis, not a piece of literature. It takes time and I have many familial responsibilities. I have broadly discussed some elements of my theorising here.
    What do you do?

    JC is noted here for making extravagant verbals against others here.
    We must add you to the list of those who do that.
    Verbals rather than ‘fluff’ have been the problem here recently.

    Hun.

  149. Tel

    The crimes are committed in this country; these grooming crimes are not committed in Pakistan.

    They didn’t used to happen in the UK either, if you go back a ways.

  150. Snoopy

    Every Parliamentarian swears allegiance to the Crown but the High Court has decided that you can’t sit in Parliament as a dual British citizen.

    Perfectly appropriate.

  151. Rev. Archibald

    Every Parliamentarian swears allegiance to the Crown but the High Court has decided that you can’t sit in Parliament as a dual British citizen

    ..
    Que bullshit gobbledy- gook from infuriating spasticated fuckwit autistic vacuum- cranium retards stating that it is the office of the Qjeen of Australia and. lthing to do with our British heritage.

  152. Rev. Archibald

    Fucking fingers. Damn you.

  153. Rev. Archibald

    Hey idiots.
    Your brain cell called me.
    It is tired. Give it thr night off and don’t bother with the Aueen of Australia and its the office not the oerson argument.

  154. Zatara

    On 9/11 the loss of 3000 innocent people placed the vast majority of US Americans into a total state of shock which resulted in a massive over-reaction at all levels (which was, of course, exactly the purpose of this false flag operation by the US and joo ish deep states)

    zyconoclast, you are joking right?

    The gaps in the assumptions and “reasoning” in the article are as bad as their horseshit anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy beliefs.

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I noticed that you got it wrong

    Mmm. So you say. I think it matters not. I am well aware of the difference. Both apply. I am not uninterested, but I do have a disinterested position, as I have no skin in the game of physics.

    As for you being too polite to make a minor grammatical point … don’t hold back.
    I have never believed that one’s chances in life or one’s actions depend on one’s upbringing.
    There is always room for free will and personal judgement, so carpe diem, Grammaticus.

    Clearly I need the stern voice of your correction.
    Renowned as I am for my incapacity with grammar, language and things of the mind.

  156. Nick

    Boogie Nights is on SBS. Lol.

  157. OneWorldGovernment

    Zatara
    #2550152, posted on November 11, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    On 9/11 the loss of 3000 innocent people placed the vast majority of US Americans into a total state of shock which resulted in a massive over-reaction at all levels (which was, of course, exactly the purpose of this false flag operation by the US and joo ish deep states)

    zyconoclast, you are joking right?

    ditto Zatara

    I only skimmed it but stopped doing that when I read the sentence you have highlighted.

    I tried a quick check of the site to see who is behind it but couldn’t see anything. Does anyone know?

  158. Rev. Archibald

    Yet, you don’t know the difference between “disinterested” and “uninterested.”

    ..
    Depends on context.
    They are synonomous in certain use.
    Unless he was on about Lizzie having some weird cosmologicsl financial interest in the speed of light.
    Seems unlikely.

  159. H B Bear

    Boogie Nights is on SBS. Lol.

    Now reclassified as a documentary. Looking forward to the directors cut where the pot plant scene is reinstated.

  160. Snoopy

    Rev. Archibald
    #2550151, posted on November 11, 2017 at 10:17 pm
    Hey idiots.
    Your brain cell called me.
    It is tired. Give it thr night off and don’t bother with the Aueen of Australia and its the office not the oerson argument.

    Proof positive that s.44 is a brilliant provision.

  161. DrBeauGan

    Renowned as I am for my incapacity with grammar, language and things of the mind.

    That’s alright. You’re a woman and get a free pass. From men, anyway.

  162. overburdened

    A cavalcade of boofhead ball! I attempt to watch all sport without prejudice but hey. Oz Lebanon- outcome foregone and both sides had a crack. Noticed camera linger on female Lebanese supporter. Stand by for a fresh new controversy because of something. Can’t be about showing someone at the footy. If they don’t carry on they don’t have a leg to stand on and should then just get with the program.

    For the faint hearted, The net is spread widely.

  163. Stimpson J. Cat

    Proof positive that s.44 is a brilliant provision.

    Kiwi speech impediment.
    Every.
    Single.
    Time.

  164. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie having some weird cosmologicsl financial interest in the speed of light.

    I wish, Reverend Arky, I wish.

    And touche, Dr. BG. I really must learn to cook and do other womanly things.
    Funnily enough, Hairy didn’t mind pillow-chatting about cosmology last nite.
    We both became rather taken with the idea of bodies in motion. 🙂

  165. overburdened

    I noted some boofhead say, regarding the similarities between 2 blokes with Lebanese extraction and playing on opposite teams illustrated by pics of the blokes, that they look like the go to the same barber. Stand by for storming and intimidation of someone about stereotyping stereotypically by someone. It was champagne. Funny too.

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    10.45 Sat’dy nite and all’s well.

    Now I must pretend that I have been doing some of the promised (to Hairy) work on Merlin, aka The Magician. Load of bollocks, that name, but I do have to write up why.

  167. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hey idiots.
    Your brain cell called me.
    It is tired.

    Ain’t that the truth! I am off to bed, vaguely waving a page of previously written stuff at Hairy.
    Terrible how deceptions creep into a marriage. I’ve been working, I’ll say, I’ve been working.

  168. overburdened

    re the British child rape conversation, IMO what the Pakistani man was saying is that in Pakistan as well as other socially similar countries, it’s agreed with between families of the same social status and those without status don’t have a say. To step outside the boundaries would provoke a blood feud. In the UK, the family of the trespassed upon would be criminals if they even discussed the thought with another person.

  169. Fisky

    Fascinating early history (c.660) by an Armenian bishop, Sebeos, of Arab conquests.

    Interesting how he believes the Arabs started their uprising from Sinai. No mention of Mecca!

    When the sons of Ishmael had arisen and issued from the desert of Sinai, their king Amrh [‘Umar] did not accompany them. But when [the Arabs] had militarily routed both kingdoms, seizing from Egypt to the great Taurus mountain, from the Western Sea [the Atlantic Ocean] to Media and Xuzhastan, they then emerged with the royal army [and went] to the [g109] natural borders of the holdings of Ishmael. Then the [Arab] [131] king gave an order to assemble boats and many sailors and to navigate southwardly, going east to Pars, to Sagastan, to Sind, to Srman, to the land of Turan and to Makuran as far as the borders of India. The troops swiftly prepared and implemented the command. They burned every country, taking loot and booty. They then turned and made expeditions on the waves of the sea, and reached their own places.

    http://www.attalus.org/armenian/seb9.htm#30

  170. squawkbox

    That’s the Tom Holland thesis, Fisky. Islam was an ex post facto creation of the Ummayads to create a religion justifying their rule, just as they saw Christianity and Zoroastrianism upholding the Byzantine and Persian empires.

  171. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    First, you posted a lot of very identifying information about some poor sod who who claimed was your first husband, especially what a genius he is.
    When challenged, you admitted that you had changed some details.

    Ha. Back in, just looking up thread before bed. Came across this silly piece from Johanna.

    I said nothing about changing the details of my first husband’s university medal/s, a disclosure which a reasonable person might take at face value and not go deliberately seeking information from a university about their medalists in order to ‘out’ someone’s identity here. I said I had changed some details. Perhaps, Johanna, in your searching out of my identity, something which Sinc is very, very against, you were looking in the wrong place within the university or even at the wrong time for evidence of the man who was my first husband, in order to completely ‘out’ me and my present husband, which is what would then follow, and which could be inconvenient for us. But perhaps, o detective one, you assumed too much.

    Sometime, my identity will be twigged here, I know. There is nothing ‘grandiose’ about my account of things, neither my life experiences nor my situation in life, which I am honest about to my own satisfaction as far as privacy permits. I would, however, prefer this likely ‘outing’ to be not just yet.

    Go knit your cobwebs.

  172. BorisG

    The record of philosophers in actually establishing any truths is not very good.

    I agree with this, largely. Yet while not establishing mathematically verifiable truths , they often provided interesting insights, which help people along the way. I am not that well read in this area but I thought Russell and Popper were very interesting.

  173. BorisG

    Dismissing Lily’s first hand account of her personal experience with your “idealise” is ignorant and insulting

    Sorry I did not mean to diminish it. But her last remark sounded like a bit of generalisation.

  174. Fisky

    A lot of Islamic stories and legends make much more sense if you assume Mohammad’s activities were located much closer to Palestine. Take the famous night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem. It had to be on a winged horse, otherwise it would have taken weeks to get there. But what if his sanctuary was not actually Mecca, but somewhere around Jerusalem? Would explain the original story, why the horse had to become a flying one when the location of the holy sanctuary was moved to Mecca.

  175. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yet, you don’t know the difference between “disinterested” and “uninterested.”
    ..
    Depends on context.
    They are synonomous in certain use.

    Yep. One of those ‘things according to Fowler’, that these days matter not much, if at all.
    Except to people who have nothing better to do than create a scene about their usage.

  176. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Would explain the original story, why the horse had to become a flying one when the location of the holy sanctuary was moved to Mecca.

    That sounds highly likely. Myths tend to get elaborated to suit the politics of the day.
    The Arthurian myths are a classic case in point, re what is called ‘The Matter of Britain’.
    Also re the Plantaganet need for a foothold back into British history, to one-up the Saxon heritage.

    And the ninth century ‘Historia Brittonoum’ needed to convert the mythical Arthur into a warrior king in order to disprove the ideas of the (arguably) fifth century pro-Roman Gildas and then the eighth century pro-Anglo-Saxon Bede that the Waeles (Britons) were a cowardly race. To say nothing of the twelfth century political machinations that led Geoffrey of Monmouth to mostly invent his Arthurian ‘History of the Kings of Britain’.

  177. BorisG

    If you don’t think the world was a better place for a while because of them well that’s your problem.

    If you don’t believe the western world has become a better place in the last 100+ years, including total elimination of hunger, extreme poverty, slums etc, then it is your problem. But as you are using internet to express this weird view, I am sorry if this sounds like hypocrisy.

  178. Stimpson J. Cat

    mathematically verifiable truths

    Because maths is never wrong, am I right?
    Never ever, ever ever?
    Goddamn uppity nerds.

    😁

  179. Some on the Cat, who believe they are really smart, seem to not be able to grasp the possibility that Cats who are not using their real name may be likewise not using their exact life story or personal history.
    Bit difficult to tout yourself as “smart” on the Cat when you’re seemingly totally unaware of a thing that has been known for generations as a “red herring”.

  180. OneWorldGovernment

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2550202, posted on November 12, 2017 at 12:44 am

    Liz,

    Now if you could thread your Arthurian/Merlin work into the Australian Aboriginal “Dreamtime Mythology” you would probably receive enough grants to keep your husband in a style that not even he is accustomed to living. LOL

  181. OneWorldGovernment

    For those that are interested in things CO2/Glowbull Warming there is a terrific article by Freeman Dyson at WUWT, with a link to the full article.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/10/freeman-dyson-on-heretical-thoughts-about-global-warmimg/

  182. squawkbox

    Some on the Cat, who believe they are really smart, seem to not be able to grasp the possibility that Cats who are not using their real name may be likewise not using their exact life story or personal history.
    Bit difficult to tout yourself as “smart” on the Cat when you’re seemingly totally unaware of a thing that has been known for generations as a “red herring”.

    Couldn’t agree more. That’s why I have been keeping quiet about my multiple PhDs and the depraved habits of my harem of supermodels. Some petty jealous people might think I was simply making stuff up.

  183. I have been keeping quiet about my multiple PhDs and the depraved habits of my harem of supermodels.

    You may have just blown your cover.
    There can’t be all that many people with multiple PhDs and a harem, never mind one comprised of supermodels.

    You won’t be hard to track down.

  184. OneWorldGovernment

    squawkbox
    #2550213, posted on November 12, 2017 at 1:40 am

    Some on the Cat, who believe they are really smart, seem to not be able to grasp the possibility that Cats who are not using their real name may be likewise not using their exact life story or personal history.
    Bit difficult to tout yourself as “smart” on the Cat when you’re seemingly totally unaware of a thing that has been known for generations as a “red herring”.

    Couldn’t agree more. That’s why I have been keeping quiet about my multiple PhDs and the depraved habits of my harem of supermodels. Some petty jealous people might think I was simply making stuff up.

    Must be a constant worry for you.

    Hope you survive your ordeal.

  185. squawkbox

    Couldn’t agree more. That’s why I have been keeping quiet about my multiple PhDs and the depraved habits of my harem of supermodels. Some petty jealous people might think I was simply making stuff up.

    Must be a constant worry for you.

    Hope you survive your ordeal.

    Thanks for the support. Rumors that the harem in fact consists of three siamese cats and a yorkshire terrier whose depraved habits involve licking each others bottoms are entirely false.

  186. squawkbox

    And none of my PhDs come from the AlGore Tennessee MailOrder Squeal-like-a-Pig Institute of Global Worming Studies.

  187. OneWorldGovernment

    squawkbox
    #2550221, posted on November 12, 2017 at 2:56 am

    Must be a constant worry for you.

    Hope you survive your ordeal.

    Thanks for the support. Rumors that the harem in fact consists of three siamese cats and a yorkshire terrier whose depraved habits involve licking each others bottoms are entirely false.

    I have a couple of ‘vicious’ guard dogs.

    One would rip your ‘bloody’ arms off, if he got past your ankles. He probably looks a bit like what I imagine your yorky looks like but is one of those chinese breed dogs.

    The other is a bit bigger and can run all day. He’s asleep at the moment in his posie but still running.

  188. Here you go again. If I say rude things about philosophers then I’m doing philosophy so there’s a self contradiction in there.

    No, it’s not the saying of “rude things about philosophers” that convicts you of doing philosophy, its the making philosophical claims about knoweldge, etc. while pretending to be engaged in something other than philosophy that does so.

    I can’t, according to your reasoning, point out that metaphysics has never produced anything but hot air without contradicting myself. This makes metaphysics impregnable. You seem to think this is a good thing.

    Not at all. It does not make metaphysics impregnable at all. It simply recognizes the fact that any point you make about metaphysics is a philosophical point. As for the claim about the ‘productions’ of metaphysics, that is simply untrue. Zeno’s paradoxes, for instance, were formulated in response to metaphysical arguments that arose between Heraclitus and Parmenides.

  189. OneWorldGovernment

    This is from August 2015 but talk about LOL

    Sen. Robert Menendez may have had sex with underage hookers in Dominican Republic: prosecutors

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sen-robert-menendez-hired-underage-hookers-feds-article-1.2336046

  190. OneWorldGovernment

    And for those that don’t know why I said LOL in reference to Democrat Senator Menendez who is on trial for corruption and bribery charges it seems ironic that an accusation was made against him back in 2015 when his Democrat/Uni Party mates are attacking Judge Moore.

    Check out what Jon McCain and other Rino’s are saying about Moore.

  191. Ragu

    Well that was bullshit.

    The Welsh fella hits the corner flag before grounding the ball. Have the IRB changed the rules?

  192. Ragu

    Bananaby and now JA recontesting their seats in a by-election makes a mockery of the law.

    ‘Oh, whoops. Sorry guys. I’ll redo the paperwork and she’ll be bonza’ doesn’t fucking cut it.

    Which is why, I suspect, the severe financial penalty accompanied s44

  193. srr

    TheLastRefuge Retweeted
    Reuters World‏Verified account @ReutersWorld 3h3 hours ago

    Xi tells Duterte China will work to safeguard South China Sea peace

    DANANG, Vietnam (Reuters) – China will work with Southeast Asian countries to safeguard peace in the South China Sea, President Xi Jinping said on Saturday in a meeting with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, who pledged to handle issues with Beijing in those waters bilaterally.

    China claims almost the entire strategic waterway through which about $3 trillion worth of goods pass every year, building and militariszing artificial islands. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have conflicting claims there.

    “China will continue to work with ASEAN countries to safeguard peace, stability and prosperity of the South China Sea region,” China’s official Xinhua news agency cited Xi as saying to Duterte.

    The two met on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit in the Vietnamese resort city of Danang.

    The Philippines will, according to a consensus reached by both sides, work through bilateral channels to appropriately handle maritime issues, Xinhua cited Duterte as saying. It did not elaborate.

    Duterte said earlier in the week that he planned to ask China to make clear its intentions in the South China Sea.

    Since coming to office 16 months ago, the firebrand leader has been conciliatory to Beijing, despite a ruling by an international arbitration court favoring the Philippines in its territorial dispute with China.

    In the past, Duterte has repeatedly said he will raise the sea dispute at the proper time and avoided the issue when Manila hosted two regional meetings this year.

    The United States has criticized China’s construction of islands and its build-up of military facilities in the sea, and is concerned they could be used to restrict free nautical movement.

    U.S. Navy ships have also carried out freedom of navigation patrols in the area, angering China, which says the territorial issues should be handled directly between countries in the region.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-summit-southkorea-china/south-korea-china-agree-to-manage-north-korea-issue-peacefully-in-stable-manner-idUSKBN1DB0IG?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

  194. srr

    TheLastRefuge Retweeted
    Dan Scavino Jr.‏Verified account @Scavino45 10h10 hours ago

    A📸of Australia Prime Minister @TurnbullMalcolm🤳at #APEC2017 #APEC with @POTUS @realDonaldTrump & Chinese President Xi 🇺🇸🇨🇳🇦🇺#POTUSinAsia

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOWAplVVoAAvJfo.jpg

  195. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    OK guys. The damned cat got me up this time, yowling for his brekkie. So I am having mine early too before heading back for a Sunday sleep-in next to a snoring Hairy Ape. Who does exist; in fact I think I might take my sleep-in in another bedroom today to distance the evidence of that. 🙂

    Re my real identity, I don’t think I have put out any actual ‘red herrings’, as I am trying to stick to a fairly honest presentation of self and experience. Anything I say I’ve done, I’ve done. Travelogue incidents are genuine incidents that happened, nothing made up. The qualifications and interests and activities I cite for both of my husbands are real ones in the areas cited, and I have had two children with each of these husbands. My children are private-school educated, to give them the chances I never had. I did grow up in Mt. Druitt in Western Sydney, in dire circumstances, and fought my own way into decent employment and education. I was helpfully good looking in my youth and still scrub up OK. Read December Quadrant and you’ll also find that I was once schooled to recognize cultural ‘cues’, which was also helpful in ways it would take a novel to explain.

    These are all things that have made me the person I am today, the good and the bad of it. I do enjoy fashion and j*wellery and nice cars and jazz ballet dancing, Hairy is a genuine musical aficionado, also a man of high-flying business and academia, and we do have the resources to fund a good lifestyle, as do many people in the fairly large well-off end of the AB demographic in Australia, which is broadly where we are placed, as are most people who live in our suburb, which now is Vaucluse in Sydney’s east. We are definitely not in the ‘waterfront’ price bracket here, although we are lucky enough to have good water views in an old Art Deco building with a tangle of garden, achieved not through inheritance but by our own efforts. It would be ‘bad faith’ to lie about things like that, which contextualize my commenting here, as indeed many others here also contextualise their commenting, all taken in good faith. The expedition into harems and guard dogs above demonstrates well the absurdity of doing otherwise. However, anyone trying to mine this data I mention for my identity will meet some intentionally placed roadblocks. I really wonder what sort of person would even try. Grigory, certainly. An unenviable comparator.

    All that said, I have just started, very tentatively, publishing outside of my previous life in academia, and for publishing purposes I wish to discontinue my old named identities (achieved via two name changes on marriage), for reasons which should be obvious, and use a pseudonym in the grand tradition of a nom de plume. I will continue to do this, ‘outed’ here or not. I like being Elizabeth Beare; she and I go back a long way. 😉

    Have a happy day, dears, and I will see you when I next do. We are on a cruise to New Zealand in December and I have so much to get done before then.

  196. Geriatric Mayfly

    PM’s biography unfit for print
    PHILLIP ADAMS
    PMs past and present universally believe they are God’s gift. But one autobiography in particular sticks out for its dreadfulness.

    Behind the paywall, but I guess this dribbling Commo moneybags is having another tilt at Howard. Among the PM’s who have gone into print, I thought Howard’s effort was the best seller.

  197. srr

    WELL worth watching … Malcolm also features 😉 … 😆 –

    Leaders Assemble for APEC Summit Family Photo (video and pics)…
    Posted on November 11, 2017 by sundance

    [Read with Looming British Voice] Crikey… deep within the Vietnamese rain forest we discover a large assembly of ferocious creatures… each followed closely by their tribal hierarchy. Carefully, silently, we capture their stealthy movements amid the banana trees and deeply rich native vegetation… After four minutes and thirty seconds of breathless anticipation we finally got the footage we were looking for…

    The largest of the beasts emerge from the brush… The predators. A giant panda, seemingly unaware of the cameras… Just then, there it is, the moment we never thought we would see, the apex predators – a bear and lion together just as the regional colluding myths have described through the ages; seemingly oblivious to our presence – fearless in their approach… we dare not move:
    *
    Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/11/11/leaders-assemble-for-apec-summit-family-photo-video-and-pics/#more-141283

  198. eam

    Good “Week in Pictures”, Tom.

    Is that our SHY in the “MAKE THEM STOP” comment?

  199. John64

    Out in the sticks this glorious Sunday morn and, without TV, switched on the radio for some breakfast company.

    On burbled Makka, sounding even less interested in the callers and subject matter than when I last had the misfortune to hear him about five years ago.

    Got me thinking though. A radio show like Australia All Over is a complete anachronism these days; does it linger on just so management of TheirABC can point to it as proof that the organisation isn’t totally anti-Australian?

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    cUp early, due to Attapuss yowling for his brekkie, so am having mine, then back to bed.

    I don’t do ‘red herrings’, deliberate untruths or exaggerations. The comments above about harems and guard dogs show the absurdity of that. My disclosures about my life and family members are real; qualifications mentioned are real as stated. My experiences recounted here are real. My life story so far is unusual, but not exceptional. That story makes me who I am, the good and the bad of it. Data mining what I say here to obtain my identity however will meet a few deliberately placed roadblocks that alter the story not a jot. Data mining of that sort is what Grigory might do. An unenviable comparator.

    In my tentative moves into non-academic publishing I use neither of my two married surnames under which I worked as an academic. I use instead my nom de plume. I never enjoyed academia, its constraints, although I enjoyed the students.

    I like being Elizabeth Beare; she and I go back a long way. 🙂

    Have a happy day, Cats, and I’ll see you next when I do. We are on a cruise to New Zealand in December and I have much to get done before that, then Christmas is at ours. One day, soon enough, I hope to meet up with some of you personally. Trust, but verify. I am all for that. But big on privacy too.

  201. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Up early, due to Attapuss yowling for his brekkie, so am having mine, then back to bed.

    I don’t do ‘red herrings’, deliberate untruths or exaggerations. The comments above about harems and guard dogs show the absurdity of that. My disclosures about my life and family members are real; qualifications mentioned are real as stated. My experiences recounted here are real. My life story so far is unusual, but not exceptional. That story makes me who I am, the good and the bad of it. Data mining what I say here to obtain my identity however will meet a few deliberately placed roadblocks that alter the story not a jot. Data mining of that sort is what Grigory might do. An unenviable comparator.

    In my tentative moves into non-academic publishing I use neither of my two married surnames under which I worked as an academic. I use instead my nom de plume. I never enjoyed academia, its constraints, although I enjoyed the students.

    I like being Elizabeth Beare; she and I go back a long way. 🙂

    Have a happy day, Cats, and I’ll see you next when I do. We are on a cruise to New Zealand in December and I have much to get done before that. One day, soon enough, I hope to meet up with some of you personally. Trust, but verify. I am all for that. But big on privacy too.

  202. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I seem to be having difficulty getting this comment up. Last try:

    Up early, due to Attapuss yowling for his brekkie, so am having mine, then back to bed.

    I don’t do ‘red herrings’, deliberate untruths or exaggerations. The comments above about harems and guard dogs show the absurdity of that. My disclosures about my life and family members are real; qualifications mentioned are real as stated. My experiences recounted here are real. My life story so far is unusual, but not exceptional. That story makes me who I am, the good and the bad of it. Data mining what I say here to obtain my identity however will meet a few deliberately placed roadblocks that alter the story not a jot. Data mining of that sort is what Grigory might do. An unenviable comparator.

    In my tentative moves into non-academic publishing I use neither of my two married surnames under which I worked as an academic. I use instead my nom de plume. I never enjoyed academia, its constraints, although I enjoyed the students.

    I like being Elizabeth Beare; she and I go back a long way. 🙂

    Have a happy day, Cats, and I’ll see you next when I do. We are on a cruise to New Zealand in December and I have much to get done before that. One day, soon enough, I hope to meet up with some of you personally. Trust, but verify. I am all for that. But big on privacy too.

  203. eam

    Oops, sorry Tom

    I don’t click all links. Should not have gone back and checked first link. I thought I did well to recognise her!

    Egg on face.

  204. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Up early, due to Attapuss yowling for his brekkie, so am having mine, then back to bed.

    I don’t do ‘red herrings’, deliberate untruths or exaggerations. The comments above about harems and guard dogs show the absurdity of that. My disclosures about my life and family members are real; qualifications mentioned are real as stated. My experiences recounted here are real. My life story so far is unusual, but not exceptional. That story makes me who I am, the good and the bad of it. Data mining what I say here to obtain my identity however will meet a few deliberately placed roadblocks that alter the story not a jot. Data mining of that sort is what Grigory might do. An unenviable comparator.

    In my tentative moves into non-academic publishing I use neither of my two married surnames under which I worked as an academic. I use instead my nom de plume. I never enjoyed academia, its constraints, although I enjoyed the students.

    I like being Elizabeth Beare; she and I go back a long way. 🙂

    Have a happy day, Cats, and I’ll see you next when I do. We are on a cruise to New Zealand in December and I have much to get done before that. One day, soon enough, I hope to meet up with some of you personally. Trust, but verify. I am all for that. But big on privacy too.

  205. Sydney Boy

    The Welsh fella hits the corner flag before grounding the ball. Have the IRB changed the rules?

    I think so. I’m more a league fan and they changed that rule back in 2010.

  206. notafan

    GM it was William McMahon’s which got lost, apparently and thus never published.

    The entire piece was a nothing, he helped launch Rudd’s but said nothing of substance about it.

    Dammed with faint inconsequential puffery?

  207. notafan

    My phone has an open incognito tab which allows me to access paywalled articles, or so far so good.

  208. Sydney Boy

    A radio show like Australia All Over is a complete anachronism these days; does it linger on just so management of TheirABC can point to it as proof that the organisation isn’t totally anti-Australian?

    Proof that they provide a service for regional Australia – not just inner city leftie Green types.

    While TheirABC is the media arm of the ALP and Green left, the SBS should be defunded immediately. It was all well and good to provide news and media to immigrants, but with internet and mobile communications today, there is ZERO need for the taxpayer to be subsidising the North African news in Somali for the Apex gang members.

  209. Bruce of Newcastle

    More news on how renewable energy poisons grids:

    German Media Report: Power Grids In Distress…Highly Unstable Due To Wind And Sun Power!

    Recently German SAT1 television broadcast a documentary on the state of the European and German increasingly green power grid: “How secure are our power grids?” Due to the volatile and unpredictable supply of wind and solar energy, the grid has become far more unstable, the documentary warns. The news is not good

    Also the Swiss online Baseler Zeitung (BaZ) here reports on major power grid woes in Switzerland, warning: “The danger of a blackout is rising” and that power grid operator Swissgrid “must intervene increasingly more often in the power grid“.

    According to the BAZ, in 2011 Swissgrid had to intervene only twice over the entire year. But since then the grid has become far more unstable, and that at the current rate it will be necessary to intervene 400 times in 2017!

    The danger of blackouts is rising here too. The NT government is getting severe condemnation for failing to secure the Alice Springs electricity supply after the blackout the other day. Politicians in the eastern states might consider what will happen to them if they allow the same to occur in the eastern grid.

    Which is looking increasingly likely because of crazily intermittent wind and solar generation.

  210. ‘Oh, whoops. Sorry guys.
    I’ll redo the paperwork and she’ll be bonza’ doesn’t fucking cut it.

    Which is why, I suspect, the severe financial penalty accompanied s44

    Which is why they effectively neutered any financial penalty way back in 1975. Over forty years ago. That’s how long they have been rorting the system, and that’s how long they have known they would get caught out sooner or later.

    Now they just don’t care. What was meant to incur financial ruination is now a minor inconvenience. After years with their snouts illegally in the trough – none of which they have to pay back – Barnaby and Alexander will partake in by-elections – at taxpayer expense, and go back to snuffling bucketloads of OPM. At some point they may have to fork out a couple of grand in compensation.

    Ditto for the rest of them, with the displaced Senators either already planning a comeback, or intending to run in a safe HoR seat next election.

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Wonder if my computer is playing up. I’m having great difficulty getting a comment up.

  212. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Trying again:

    Up early, due to Attapuss yowling for his brekkie, so am having mine, then back to bed.

    I don’t do ‘red herrings’, deliberate untruths or exaggerations. The comments above about harems and guard dogs show the absurdity of that. My disclosures about my life and family members are real; qualifications mentioned are real as stated. My experiences recounted here are real. My life story so far is unusual, but not exceptional. That story makes me who I am, the good and the bad of it. Data mining what I say here to obtain my identity however will meet a few deliberately placed roadblocks that alter the story not a jot. Data mining of that sort is what Grigory might do. An unenviable comparator.

    In my tentative moves into non-academic publishing I use neither of my two married surnames under which I worked as an academic. I use instead my nom de plume. I never enjoyed academia, its constraints, although I enjoyed the students.

    I like being Elizabeth Beare; she and I go back a long way. 🙂

    Have a happy day, Cats, and I’ll see you next when I do. We are on a cruise to New Zealand in December and I have much to get done before that. One day, soon enough, I hope to meet up with some of you personally. Trust, but verify. I am all for that. But big on privacy too.

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    First four times, it just disappeared. Next time it said ‘duplicate comment’. Still no show.

  214. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Is this game worth the candle? I’ll try to copy my own words in blockquotes, see what happens.

    Up early, due to Attapuss yowling for his brekkie, so am having mine, then back to bed.

    I don’t do ‘red herrings’, deliberate untruths or exaggerations. The comments above about harems and guard dogs show the absurdity of that. My disclosures about my life and family members are real; qualifications mentioned are real as stated. My experiences recounted here are real. My life story so far is unusual, but not exceptional. That story makes me who I am, the good and the bad of it. Data mining what I say here to obtain my identity however will meet a few deliberately placed roadblocks that alter the story not a jot. Data mining of that sort is what Grigory might do. An unenviable comparator.

    In my tentative moves into non-academic publishing I use neither of my two married surnames under which I worked as an academic. I use instead my nom de plume. I never enjoyed academia, its constraints, although I enjoyed the students.

    I like being Elizabeth Beare; she and I go back a long way. 🙂

    Have a happy day, Cats, and I’ll see you next when I do. We are on a cruise to New Zealand in December and I have much to get done before that. One day, soon enough, I hope to meet up with some of you personally. Trust, but verify. I am all for that. But big on privacy too.

  215. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Weird. Going back to bed until the world rights itself.

  216. cynical1

    Surely Fhatty Adams refers to Rudd.

    Or perhaps that should be Fhatty Rudd, who appears to have gorged on every fucking banquet on every junket since he got the chop.

    Speaking of “chop”, he must be the envy of trannies everywhere.

    He resembles a superb creation of a middle aged lezzie.

    A fat one.

  217. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Trying a smaller version.

    Re identity issues: I don’t do ‘red herrings’, deliberate untruths or exaggerations. The comments above about harems and guard dogs show the absurdity of that. My disclosures about my life and family members are real; qualifications mentioned are real as stated. My experiences recounted here are real. My life story so far is unusual, but not exceptional. That story makes me who I am, the good and the bad of it. Data mining what I say here to obtain my identity however will meet a few deliberately placed roadblocks that alter the story not a jot. Data mining of that sort is what Grigory might do. An unenviable comparator.

  218. Mike of Marion

    cynical1
    #2550289, posted on November 12, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Ah let the prick gorge himself to death – then we’ll be able to get his gold card shredded.

  219. Bruce of Newcastle

    First four times, it just disappeared. Next time it said ‘duplicate comment’. Still no show.

    That’s the antispam monster eating your comment Lizzie.
    If you have a link you can try using tinyurl or another shortener. That often fools it.

  220. Ragu

    Ditto for the rest of them, with the displaced Senators either already planning a comeback, or intending to run in a safe HoR seat next election.

    I returned back to Paddington, QLD, a few weeks back and noticed the signage for Larissa Waters’s office had been removed.

    I guess the four hundred grand Reno is still in place. The realtor must be very pleased.

  221. Father of Tony and Christine, Mr. Abbott, was caught up in the fracas where his daughter was jostled and her coat ripped.
    He had to be carried inside to safety.
    Hardly any mention of that from the thugs of the MSM.
    Still salivating over Shanghai Sam’s hurt feelings. When a couple of hi-via goons can verbally dominate a university graduate and veteran of the hustings, we know he is hopeless.

  222. Mike of Marion

    ACTU/CFMEU/ETU/AWU to operate in Venezuela!!!

    Minimum wage is about 177,507 Bolivares an hour!

    http://truepundit.com/socialism-venezuelas-minimum-wage-crashes-to-under-four-dollars-a-month/

    3 cheers for socialism. (sarc)

  223. I guess the four hundred grand Reno is still in place. The realtor must be very pleased.

    The hell of it is, she has already indicated an intention to return next election, and she’ll probably have her offices renovated again. On top of the previous $400 grand. Plus the $2 million plus she got paid illegally, which she isn’t going to have to pay back.

    And she may, may end up having to fork out $8,000 or so under the provisions of the neutered S46.

  224. calli

    Now Wilson has an harassment story.

    Difference is she went to the studio and complained and was buzzed off. This is going to get interesting.

  225. srr

    You may have also noticed that unlike Justin Trudeau, Malcolm Turnbull SHED his Remembrance Day Poppy FOR The APEC Family Photo On Remembrance Day.

    So, he doesn’t mind his Parliament being full of British Commonwealth citizens, but bugger Respecting The Memory of those who Sacrificed Their Lives for that Commonwealth.

    The man is a vacuous toad.

  226. Geriatric Mayfly

    GM it was William McMahon’s which got lost, apparently and thus never published.

    Thanks Nota. Now that the author is identified, Adam’s might deserve some small amount of leeway, granted with great reluctance.

  227. notafan

    Let me guess the they of 1975 are the same they of 2017.

    Nor could they have known that certain foreign powers would retrospectively granted Australians citizenship rights.

    Jump up and down all you like but there is no way the framers of the Australian Constitution intended to catch British subjects in their foreign power web.

    I don’t believe there was even such a beast as a ‘dual citizen’ back then.

  228. Geriatric Mayfly

    The APEC Family Photo On Remembrance Day.

    And what has the Canadian Pretty Boy got on his feet. Are they rubber boots? If so, his mum should have tucked his pants into them.

  229. cohenite

    Fisky

    #2550198, posted on November 12, 2017 at 12:32 am

    A lot of Islamic stories and legends make much more sense if you assume Mohammad’s activities were located much closer to Palestine. Take the famous night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem.

    The history of islam, no doubt fucking fascinating, isn’t really relevant; once you start discussing the minutiae of islam you’re stuffed because the detail/history mean whatever the jihadists want it to mean.

    However, the psychology behind islam is something different. Why do people become fanatics in such numbers?

  230. Jump up and down all you like but there is no way the framers of the Australian Constitution intended to catch British subjects in their foreign power web.

    I don’t disagree with your summations at all, Nota. But since the sole purpose of the Common Offenders Act 1975 is to effectively protect people caught out under S44 from financial punishment, then it must have been known at the time – 1975 – that such a situation existed, or was likely to exist in the future.

    “They” refers to the politicians of the time who drafted the legislation. In the sense of individuals, obviously the “they” of 1975 are not the “they” of 2017. However, in terms of a group with a collective self-interest – that is, the federal politicians of the day – yes, they are the same “they”.

  231. notafan

    I think Mohammed was a real man because of his frequent convenient and timely revelations to satisfy personal desires.

    John Smith of Mormon fame seems to have had remarkably similar private revelations.

    A certain type of man with exemplary snake oil salesmen skills.

  232. Geriatric Mayfly

    Take the famous night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem.

    Current average flight time – 2hours. Pegasus-el-Arabi would have had to top up on a bundle of hay and chaff to stay in the air for that duration. Maybe there were refuelling stop-overs at grassy caravanserai along the way.

  233. John Constantine

    Not even their abc have ever accused their turnbull of the political death sentance [ Australian version]

    PATRIOT!!!!.

    Taking out the Rememberance Day Poppy is simply a token way of avoiding the optics of appearing like a literally nazi right wing extremist.

  234. srr

    Thomas Wictor‏ @ThomasWictor 22m22 minutes ago

    (1) This is how I knew Trump would be our best president.
    https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/929453540874924032

    (2) “RE community” means “real estate community.”

    Commercial real-estate developers DID hate Trump and refuse to publicly take him seriously.

    Why?

    Because he beat them into the ground at their own game.

    (3) The mega-wealthy also hated Trump.

    Why?

    Because they saw him as “parvenu.”

    “A person of obscure origin who has gained wealth, influence, or celebrity.”

    (4) I heard over and over that Trump would help “only his friends in the wealthy class.”

    Ridiculous.

    The wealthy HATE Trump as coarse, boorish embarrassment.

    (5) Al Sharpton said, “Trump is a guy from Queens. That’s how he thinks and speaks.”

    I knew that Trump was sincere.

    (6) Trump wanted to be a filmmaker. UCLA turned him down.

    Only then did Trump enter the family business.

    (7) I’m now convinced that Trump began planning his presidential run when he was 30 years old.

    THAT’S when he created the persona that people like @michaelmassie hate.

    (8) By the way, I’m sure that THIS is just a coincidence.

    @michaelmassie is ACTUALLY a real-estate developer who graduated from Wharton.

    Right? Right.
    https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/929456792035147776

    (9) Is it possible that Trump planned his presidential run for forty years?

    Absolutely.

    The REAL Trump has airtight operations security (OPSEC). We know only about the PUBLIC Trump who drives simpleminded people crazy.

    (10) Trump did SOMETHING that made the Arab world welcome him as a brother and a hero.

    My guess is he snipped the strings that kept the Arabs from reaching out to Russia and China.

    The US traditionally forced itself on the region. That has stopped.

    (11) Trump went to China and said TO THEIR FACES, “Good job in rooking us. You deserved every penny. Now it’s over.”

    And they LOVED IT.

    He treated them as EQUALS.

    (12) Here’s what white liberals don’t grasp:

    Seeing someone as an equal means you insult them, joke with them, and tell them that you’re on to them.

    (13) I heard a routine on the radio: Two white people witness a crime. The cops come. The cop interviewing them is black.

    “Describe the perpetrator,” the cop says.

    “Well, he was about six feet tall, um, blue jeans, uh… and… and…”

    (14) The cop impatiently interrupts. “And he’s BLACK, right?”

    “Well…um… He just HAPPENED to be black.”

    (15) Trump speaks as bluntly to the Arabs and Chinese as he speaks to anybody else.

    The Chinese say that he’s the FIRST PRESIDENT to treat them as equals.

    Nixon went there in 1972. That was NINE PRESIDENTS AGO.

    (16) White leftists view ALL non-Europoidal people as living in cute little sofa forts, not nations.

    Did you ever build a sofa fort when you were a kid?

    (17) Trump is literally the most egalitarian leader in world history.

    When he goes to the Middle East and China, he doesn’t think, “Look at their cute little cobbled-together societies! I’ll make a speech that doesn’t hurt their little feelings.”

    (18) It appears that we’ve had a breakthrough with the Chinese.

    My guess is that Trump will next turn his attention to Russia.

    SOMEONE is dominant here. Can you see who?

    Vietnam: Putin and Trump chat on sidelines of APEC summit

  235. overburdened

    Apparently a person who calls herself Rebel Wilson is the latest to join the queue to accuse someone of sexual malfeasance. Authorities are seeking a suspect with a sunnies, dog and/or cane; and a large sack of flour.

  236. Ragu

    Maybe Cats or Kittehs could help.

    Down here where the land is brown and the sky is dull, yesterday’s commercial radio version of Remembrance Day contained only the last post. Immediately after the bugle was the saddest song in Australia’s history, a Powderfinger song called These Days.

    Didn’t it used to be; Last Post, For the Fallen, one minutes silence followed by Reveille.?

  237. notafan

    Or maybe they thought such a penalty provision outdated and unnecessary.

    Weird argument btw, I think the framers of the Constitution also thought that ‘such a situation’ could arise.

    You really going to go all in for a hundred pounds a day?

    The notion of s44 is laudable, the current circumstances laughable where people who had no idea that they had entitlements to foreign citizenship are being forced to resign.

    You really need to go find some proper villians to castigate.

    There are plenty of them still warming the benches.

    Dastyari for his poisonous identity politics for one.

    MV must had his empty barrow to push.

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