Monday Forum: November 13, 2017

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  1. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Italy fails to qualify for soccer comp.

    Sad.

  2. Philippa Martyr

    Dream big, folks:

    1-Dec-17 pete m
    4-Dec-17 stackja
    7-Dec-17 bystander
    14-Dec-17 John64
    28-Feb-18 Damienski
    6-Jun-18 Zippy the Younger
    18-Aug-18 Marcus
    18-May-19 Slayer of Memes
    23-Jun-19 Andrew
    1-Nov-19 thefrolickingmole
    2-Nov-19 Bruce of Newcastle

  3. A Lurker

    Philippa, put me down for Friday 9th February, 2018.

  4. Turnip

    Canberra cats……I’m in town for an interview. I’m in shock. There is more traffic in Nambour.
    I thought but was just an urban myth,but where is everyone?

  5. A Lurker

    (Re-post to the next page)
    Philippa, put me down for Friday 9th February, 2018.

  6. C.L.

    Not making this up … really:

    Divorce ‘teachings protected’

    GREG BROWN
    Attorney-General George Brandis says that the Catholic Church’s teaching on divorce is an example of existing religious protections.

  7. Louis

    I live in a suburb of Brisbane surrounded by Bardon, Paddington and Milton and Toowong. What I find funny is the kind of houses in this area with Greens signs out for the election next week are all, bar 1, expensive houses extensively renovated with expensive cars, including SUVs.

    My take away is that the most vehement Greens supporters in my area (the one that gave you Larissa Waters) are…the very kind of people that Greens voters are supposedly most opposed to.

  8. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Remember when this delicate little snowflake retired from politics to spend more time with his family?

    Cashing in: Mike Baird paid $887k for first six months at NAB

    On an annualised basis, the report suggests Mr Baird’s pay would be at least $1.7 million, with the potential to earn …

    Australia is the most corrupt country in the western world.

  9. Snoopy

    A Lurker
    #2552415, posted on November 14, 2017 at 12:32 pm
    (Re-post to the next page)
    Philippa, put me down for Friday 9th February, 2018.

    Too late I’m afraid. Haven’t you heard of s.44?

  10. Chris

    Judith’s article on universitiesUniversity doesn’t make sense for us all
    The Australian 12:00AM November 14, 2017

    JUDITH SLOAN

    It’s called degree inflation in the US but we tend to use the term credentialism. It refers to the phenomenon in which jobs once filled by non-graduates increasingly are filled by graduates.

    In the case of the US, it has been estimated by academics at Harvard University that more than six million jobs are at risk of degree inflation. By way of example, in 2015 two-thirds of production supervisor vacancies specified a college degree as a requirement even though only 16 per cent of production supervisors had a degree.

    For Australia, Andrew Norton of the Grattan Institute has suggested almost a third of employed graduates are filling jobs not needing degrees.

    The core issue is the extent to which university education has become just a sorting mechanism, giving graduates a headstart over non-graduates in securing jobs rather than actually raising the productivity of workers with degrees.

    This is an important question to answer for the individuals affected as well as for government funding and oversight of higher education. Is the government allowing too many young people to enrol in higher education only for them to secure jobs that don’t require those years of study as well as lumbering them with debts to be repaid?

    It’s useful to look at the empir­ical and policy landscape while trying to tease out the answer. You may recall the Bradley review of higher education that was commissioned by the Rudd Labor government and released in 2008. In that report, it was argued that at least 40 per cent of 25 to 34-year-olds should hold a bachelor degree (or higher) by 2025 to accommodate a changing labour market and an increasing emphasis on skilled employment.

    The 40 per cent target was essentially made up and was put there partly to boost the argument for demand-driven enrolment in higher education, another central recommendation of the report.

    But here’s the thing: we are close to achieving this target now. Last May, 33.7 per cent of men aged 25 to 34 held a bachelor degree or higher while 45.1 per cent of women of the same age were similarly qualified. The target of 40 per cent will be met next year. Note also that these figures are higher than in the US and Britain.

    The trouble with Bradley’s analysis was the understandable failure to forecast future labour market trends and the less forgivable failure to highlight the likely impact of rapidly increasing the number of graduates, both in terms of their job prospects and their relative salaries.

    Note that the number of Australians with bachelor degrees increased by 57 per cent between 2006 and last year, whereas the overall labour force grew by 19 per cent across the same period.

    If we look at the proportion of graduates in full-time employment four months after graduation, the deterioration in their job prospects has been stark: from close to 85 per cent 10 years ago to about 70 per cent.

    In terms of graduate salaries, it is clear that starting salaries as a proportion of male average weekly earnings have been falling for some time. From a peak in 2009 of 83 per cent, the most recent figure (for 2015) records a proportion of 76 per cent.

    More detailed analysis conducted by Norton points to a longer-term decline in graduate salaries, with graduates from the 2001 to 2005 classes earning more five years after graduation than more recent graduates.

    In other words, it’s not just a case of relatively declining starting salaries but a trend that also persists after graduation.

    Of course, the representatives of the higher education sector — some might call them rent-seekers — want to paint the rosiest picture of these trends to support their case for the ongoing substantial support of the taxpayer.

    Take the recent remarks of the chief executive of Universities Australia, Belinda Robinson.

    She is keen to point out the lower unemployment rate for graduates relative to those without post-school qualification which shows that “having a degree significantly enhanced people’s chances. The figures put paid to claims that dispute the value of a university qualification. It continues to be the case that graduates are less likely to be unemployed and will have higher lifetime earnings on average.”

    Arguably, she completely misses the point. The real issues are these. The government-induced increase in graduate numbers has damaged the prospects of those without university qualifications.

    It has also come at the cost of driving down relative graduate salaries and damaging the job prospects of graduates, particularly in terms of securing full-time employment.

    There is now a much higher proportion of graduates forced to accept jobs for which they are over-qualified.

    And let us not forget that government (also known as taxpayer) spending on higher education carries a high opportunity cost; it could be redirected to other purposes or even returned to long-suffering taxpayers.

    If you are in any doubt that university degrees are part sorting, part skills enhancement, take a look at what has happened to postgraduate education. What many graduates are finding is that a simple bachelor degree is not sufficient to secure the jobs they desire and so many proceed on to postgraduate studies, both full-time and part-time.

    Between 2006 and last year, the number of Australians with a postgraduate degree rose by 123 per cent. More than 900,000 people hold postgraduate qualifications. It won’t be long before it’s a million.

    So what should the government make of these trends? Are we doing young people a disservice by giving them the message that it’s university or nothing, particularly as those with practical rather than cognitive skills are likely to find university an unsatisfactory pathway? Note that the number of people with vocational certificate level qualifications increased by only 35 per cent between 2006 and last year.

    Of course, there are many university courses with high vocational content — medicine, dentistry, engineering, architecture, allied health, nursing and the like. The graduates of these courses tend to be the best paid. By the same token, there are many university courses offered of variable quality that are much less relevant to labour market needs.

    While employers may find it easier to employ graduates for jobs that used to be filled by school-leavers, it’s not clear that society is a winner. It’s time to have a conversation about the size, nature and quality of higher education as well as vocational education. The taxpayer deserves no less.

  11. Just for the Moore condemners, I suggest you keep an open mind.

    Yeah righto Bruce. There will be more victims coming forward, by the by. It’s going to get worse.

    He was banned from his local mall for being a creep. But he’s got (R) next to his name, so you’ll back him to the hilt.

  12. Snoopy

    Australia is the most corrupt country in the western world.

    Why is Baird’s remuneration the business of anyone but him and the NAB board. A bit like an Australian Google customer and Google, really.

  13. Chris

    Canberra cats……I’m in town for an interview. I’m in shock. There is more traffic in Nambour.
    I thought but was just an urban myth,but where is everyone?

    1) Off doing diversity workshops
    2) Hoovering up tax money that someone else might be able to use
    3) Briefing Nikki Savva against Tony Abbott
    4) Trying to find a principle the Liberal Party won’t betray.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My take away is that the most vehement Greens supporters in my area (the one that gave you Larissa Waters) are…the very kind of people that Greens voters are supposedly most opposed to.

    Voting “Green” is how they salve their consciences.

  15. Top Ender

    Anyone starting a sweep on what the vote will be tomorrow morning for SSM?

    Personally I am going for 60% No.

    As to the prize, best not to discuss.

  16. notafan

    Judith makes excellent points

    Now everyone who is wondering what jobs are out there for graduates of third rate university I give you NDIS and the climate department of your local council.

  17. C.L.

    Turnbull should indeed resign immediately (as Bolt says).
    I call for a Pyne/Brandis ticket.
    That’s the team I want to see in charge of the Liberal Party.

  18. Anyone starting a sweep on what the vote will be tomorrow morning for SSM?

    Should have its own thread. Doomlord?

  19. Sparkx

    Louis
    #2552418, posted on November 14, 2017 at 12:34 pm
    I live in a suburb of Brisbane surrounded by Bardon, Paddington and Milton and Toowong……..

    My sister is on the other side of the river near West End. Her neighbours, four wheel drive owning medical specialist and solicitor wife, are staunch gween supporters.

  20. Attorney-General George Brandis says that the Catholic Church’s teaching on divorce is an example of existing religious protections.

    What could this possibly mean? Brandis is a dissembling prick.

  21. John64

    As to the prize, best not to discuss.

    I hope Carpe has sent the chaps to the drycleaners. 🙂

  22. Gab

    Things never to be said by Brandis:

    Attorney-General George Brandis says that Islam’s teaching on divorce is an example of existing religious protections.

    Attorney-General George Brandis says that Islam’s teaching on marriage is an example of existing religious protections

  23. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I suggest you keep an open mind.

    Sounds like something a child groomer would say.

  24. C.L.

    Dover, I haven’t got around the paywall yet but judging from the par at the Google URL return, Brandis is saying that despite divorce being legal in Australia, the Catholic Church is still allowed to preach against divorce. Really and truly.

  25. jupes

    Brandis is saying that despite divorce being legal in Australia, the Catholic Church is still allowed to preach against divorce.

    I doubt this will apply to homo marriage. Priests who preach against homo marriage will be sent to the HRC. This has already occurred at state level in Tasmania.

  26. A Lurker

    Anyone starting a sweep on what the vote will be tomorrow morning for SSM?

    My guess: 63% No.

  27. C.L.

    WaPo:

    Sessions set to establish second special counsel to investigate Clinton/Obama/FBI crimes:

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/280817/

  28. Pretty much confirmed now. Roy Moore is a pervert of the first order.

    JC, Allred is about as credible as Muttley.

    And CL, as for “dying in a ditch” for Moore, supporting the judicial concept of innocent until proven guilty is no such thing. He’s not guilty until proven in a court of law. Period.

    Indeed, if he’s found guilty in a court of law, I won’t be accountable, because I never professed his innocence, because I cannot possibly know.

    Otherwise we throw out ALL pretence of justice and let the leftfilth like Muttley lie about enemies to ruin their lives.

    And speaking of perverts, who puts cigars into the vaginas of others? Muttley doesn’t give a fuck about that because all that matters is winning at any cost.

    Congratulations for siding with a supporter of 100 million murders. Sleep well.

  29. JC

    Iowahawk is right, Bern.

    Apart from wrongness of it, what adult wants to be hanging around teenagers, FFS.

  30. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    And CL, as for “dying in a ditch” for Moore, supporting the judicial concept of innocent until proven guilty is no such thing. He’s not guilty until proven in a court of law. Period.

    That’s right. OJ and Weinstein are both innocent.

  31. Snoopy

    Sessions set to establish second special counsel to investigate Clinton/Obama/FBI crimes:

    And then he can return to the Senate. Win, win eh Monty?

  32. Baldrick

    Former NSW premier Kristina Keneally has been named as Labor’s candidate for the Bennelong by-election.

    Has this been approved by Obeid or Tripodi? Hell to pay if it wasn’t.

  33. notafan

    Didn’t OJ at least lose his civil suit?

    Maybe Moore is a DOM but I’d like more than four decade old allegations and a signed year book before I become a fervent believer.

  34. Senile Old Guy

    A longer Brandis:

    Senator Brandis noted divorce had always against the teaching of the Catholic Church. “I’m a member of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church has always said it will not remarry divorced couples,” he said. “Nobody has ever said that the Catholic Church shouldn’t be allowed to teach that according to Catholic doctrine and teaching that it won’t remarry divorced couples in a Catholic Church, so there is no inhibition on churches at the moment in teaching what their view, according to what their faith and doctrine of marriage means.

    Exactly what relevance that has to the new legislation is clear only to George.

    Attorney-General George Brandis says the protection of religious freedom does not include “other interests” as he warned against creating a “new form of discrimination”. “When we talk about the protection of religious freedom, we are talking about the protection of religious freedom, not other interests,” Senator Brandis told Sky News. “We are certainly not going to remove one form of discrimination and at the same time instate a new form of discrimination.

    In other words, agnostics who continue to say that marriage is between a man and a woman will be prosecuted for hate speech. That is exactly what this means. Saying that someone with a penis is a man? More hate speech. Putting on a dress does not make a person a woman? Hate speech. When I was born, these things were facts, not opinions.

  35. Mm hmm Snoopy, I’m sure that will be as successful as the 17 Benghazi investigations at locking up Clinton and Obama.

  36. JC

    Beer

    The concept of innocent until proven guilt is an excellent legal concept. However, it doesn’t necessarily have to carry over to holding opinions on people. The Vegas shooter wasn’t charged with any wrongdoing because the sack of shit knocked himself out. Should we consider him innocent then, after all he wasn’t charged and convicted for killing 58 people and maiming scores of others.

    Inconnent until proven guilty is a narrow legal concept that has meaning in criminal law… not opinion.

  37. Mother Lode

    The thing about Baird reminds me of a comment I was going to make to the post the other day about how the banks are headed by retired government officials who used to be in treasury or the tax office or whatnot.

    The Japanese used to use the expression Amakudari (‘Descent from Heaven’) for this. Senior bureaucrats would leave their well paid government jobs and get work in businesses they used to supervise where their contacts would be of use them, and where the supervising departments would be helpful when issues arose because they all hoped for the same treatment.

    From memory, the Japanese brought in a law that senior bureaucrats or officials could not work in the industry they had supervised within 5 years of their leaving.

    We are a long way behind.

  38. Brandis is saying that despite divorce being legal in Australia, the Catholic Church is still allowed to preach against divorce. Really and truly.

    How very tolerant.

  39. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    The concept of innocent until proven guilt is an excellent legal concept.

    Yep, sane people make their own judgments.

    Moore is a creep and possibly a pedo.

  40. JC

    One more thing beer.

    It’s a fine legal concept but it doesn’t even hold up strongly in the legal system. If it were strictly adhered to there would be no remand or bail bond required.

  41. Brandis purports to be Catholic? FMD. I’m absolutely sick of this frauds.

  42. Chris

    Anyone starting a sweep on what the vote will be tomorrow morning for SSM?

    I am calling a bare pass for ‘Yes’ followed by house firings for those who voted No.

  43. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Brandis purports to be Catholic? FMD. I’m absolutely sick of this frauds.

    What does it take to be excommunicated?

    The church should make a public statement that Turnbull, Brandis, Andrews, Kenneally & co. are all blackballed.

  44. Top Ender

    Give me a number Chris and I will keep track….

  45. Mother Lode

    I call for a Pyne/Brandis ticket.
    That’s the team I want to see in charge of the Liberal Party.

    Brandis would accidentally declare it illegal to say anything to support the Liberal party (his default position is to restrict speech).

    Pyne would go the lavatory during a party function with a wireless microphone still switched on, and talk about what a bunch of rubes those cretins out there are, and how they are going to appoint Bob Brown to supervise gulags for “stupid Liberal voters”.

    You heard it here first, folks.

  46. JC

    IT

    I wouldn’t let Abbott off the hook either. He’d have to be on the edge of getting booted for the lying squib he turned out to be.

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    But he’s got ( R) next to his name, so you’ll back him to the hilt.

    M0nty – If you lie about me to my face like this, does it mean that the other stuff you wrote is also lies? You really should reread your Bible son. I suggest starting with Deut 5:20.

  48. Zyconoclast

    Good to the SA opposition are taking care of all the important stuff with election winning policies like this.

    SA Opposition pushes for harsher ticket-scalping penalties and ‘ticket bots’ ban

    Does anyone give a rats @rse about ticket scalpers?

  49. Mother Lode

    Iowahawk nails Moore.

    A touch indelicate, all things considered.

  50. Chris

    Give me a number Chris and I will keep track….

    I am calling a bare pass for ‘Yes’ followed by house firings for those who voted No.
    53% Yes

  51. Top Ender

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    A Lurker 63% No
    Top Ender 60% No

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself
    (prize may be swapped for a Maccas night for two at winner’s discretion)

  52. Roger

    The church should make a public statement that Turnbull, Brandis, Andrews, Kenneally & co. are all blackballed.

    It’s up to the local bishop. Brandis began this campaign cavorting on the parliament lawns with Chrissie Pyne and Trent Zimmerman and gushing “Yes!”. He now has the gall to parade his membership of the Catholic Church as a mark of his public authority.

    Over to you, Mark Coleridge of Brisbane.

  53. JC

    Bruce

    I’m happy to give monster a clip over the head for lying about you.. next time I see him. Just say the word and how hard…. 1 out 5 with 5 causing concussion and hospitalisation.

    I suggest a nice 3.

  54. Boambee John

    Snoopy at 1026

    Monty loves violence.

    Only if directed against those m0nty considers to be “fascists”, as loosely defined by him, and only if someone else does the dirty work.

  55. Ooh good one Bruce. According to Alabama Republicans, the Bible also says Mary and Joseph shared the same age difference as Moore and his victims which makes it okay. Keep going, this is good stuff.

  56. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yep, sane people make their own judgments.

    F$ck them what do they know.
    They are why we are in this f$cking mess.

  57. Sparkx

    Darebin Council are conducted a survey on Climate change here
    Have fun cats and kittehs. The postcode is 3072.

  58. DrBeauGan

    Top ender, I predict 98% No.

    This should keep me safe from winning.

  59. Senile Old Guy

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    A Lurker 63% No
    Top Ender 60% No

    SOG: 65% Yes*.

    *After seasonal adjustment.

  60. Roger

    the Bible also says Mary and Joseph shared the same age difference as Moore and his victims which makes it okay.

    Face palm.

    She’s not called the virgin Mary for nothing, monty.

  61. Zyconoclast

    Remember when this delicate little snowflake retired from politics to spend more time with his family?

    Cashing in: Mike Baird paid $887k for first six months at NAB

    This is true because all his family are employed in the same NAB building.
    What better way to spend more time with them.

  62. JC

    Bruce

    4 is on the edge of 5. It’s not permanent brain damage, but he may end in rehab for a few months learning how walk again

    After his last comment I’d go with 4 or even 3.5 as I can do the halves too.

    Think about it as you have plenty of time. Our ghoul bet closes on Dec 31.

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ooh good one Bruce. According to Alabama Republicans, the Bible also says Mary and Joseph shared the same age difference as Moore and his victims which makes it okay. Keep going, this is good stuff.

    Mary was technically impregnated by an epochs old God too Monty.
    Don’t forget that.

  64. Rabz

    Poor li’l ol’ Lassie Lambie. At least she’ll have more to time appear on the ALPBC and engage in televisual screechfests with the likes of the big bottomed islamic ice cream lady.

    A class act, indeed.

  65. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s not permanent brain damage, but he may end in rehab for a few months learning how walk again

    He’s got kids JC.
    I’ll only agree to this if you become his live in carer.

  66. Zyconoclast

    When ordinary women see a successful woman in employment, this provides inspiration and empowerment but when the same women see happy families is causes perinatal depression.
    So prenatal depression did not exist before Facebook?

    Social media fuelling anxiety, perinatal depression for new mums, experts warn

  67. Top Ender

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    A Lurker 63% No
    Chris 53% Yes
    DrBeauGan 98% No
    Senile Old Guy 65% Yes
    Top Ender 60% No

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself
    (prize may be swapped for a Maccas night for two at winner’s discretion)

  68. Hmm Stimpy, IIRC technically God exists outside time and space so I am not sure you can claim that one. A valiant attempt though.

  69. Rabz

    Speaking of Class Acts, Iowahawk appears to be setting up a run for the Prezidency in 2020.

    Here’s some furnishings he’s getting ready ready for the Oval Office.

  70. Inconnent until proven guilty is a narrow legal concept that has meaning in criminal law… not opinion.

    No, its not.

    It’s protection against slander. It’s clearly a hit job designed to derail a hated enemy. People can vote how they see fit, but they are being manipulated by political animals taking advantage if their ethics and morality.

    The Demfilth trolled for “victims” for crass political purposes. It’s what they do.

    And you’re prepared to side with renowned wrongologist Muttley on something that is necessarily devoid of evidence?

    This will never go to court. Remember the Allred coven of accusers of Trump? Where are the court cases? And yet I’m supposed to believe her this time?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Sorry JC, but you’d have to be a fool to believe a a liar as consistently dishonest as Allred. Muttley could possibly be right as a broken clock, but a liar with every reason to lie is most certainly lying.

    How about a bet of dinner that Moore never gets convicted of sexual assault? What say you?

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hey M0nty! What do you think of Joe Biden’s proposed 2020 run?

    Joe Biden uses potential 2020 presidential run to promote new book

    Would Alabama Democrat voters vote for him do you think?

  72. P

    If I may TE, I like to go for 64% NO.

  73. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    52% NO

  74. JC

    Gloria’s a scumbag, beer. We all know that. Nothing new.

  75. Darebin Council. I did my duty.
    That survey is grounds for dismissing the council. Shirley?

  76. Diogenes

    TE
    put me down for 75% no

  77. Sparkx

    Pathetic, isn’t it IR.

  78. Zyconoclast

    According to the ABC only 7 federal parliamentarians will definitely vote No when a bill is presented.
    Tony Abbott is not one of them.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-14/same-sex-marriage-if-the-survey-says-yes-how-will-your-mp-vote/9104112

  79. 50-50. Yes to win by 1 vote.
    1000 boxes of votes will have disappeared.

  80. Roger

    Hmm Stimpy, IIRC technically God exists outside time and space so I am not sure you can claim that one.

    Ever heard of the Annunciation?

    If God is exists outside of space and time how did that happen?

    Not to mention the Incarnation.

    God created space and time; he is not bound by them.

  81. Snoopy

    59% Yes.

    But I hope I’m very wrong.

  82. Hey M0nty! What do you think of Joe Biden’s proposed 2020 run?

    Not happening.

  83. DrBeauGan

    Just got back from a half hour uber drive to pick up some cigars. Had a long and fun talk with my uber driver. A good bloke. We discussed ssm, trannies in the adf, schools telling little boys that poo is ok and setting them up for sodomy and similar stuff. The only drawback was that we agreed on everything. He said how nice it was to hear such politically incorrect views expressed so forcefully, so I recommended that he check out the Cat. I hope he does and posts here, because he was sane and reasonable and articulate. And rather conservative in values.

    Of course he won’t be able to use his real name. It was Kasim Mohammed.

  84. What date is the Alexander/KKK election?
    The winner of Malotto will the person who picked the day after.

    Prediction: 25% swing to the ALP (2PP)

  85. Sparkx

    Pathetic, isn’t it IR. I liked the effects of CC. I used –
    increased number of polee bears
    penguins starving because of massive ice sheets
    Ships stuck in antarctic ice
    Increased crop yields
    and can’t remember the fifth.

  86. Stimpson J. Cat

    Speaking of Class Acts, Iowahawk appears to be setting up a run for the Prezidency in 2020.

    F$ck Iowahawk.
    Him and Blair are pipepuffing purveyors of SSM.
    Just gay gay gay.
    He is a disgrace to bald men.

  87. John64

    57% YES / 40% NO / 3% informal

    (3 out of 100 people are not bright enough to tick a box correctly.)

  88. Senile Old Guy

    New mums are bombarded with social media images of the “perfect family” and it’s leading to increased anxiety and perinatal depression, experts are warning. Research by the national perinatal depression helpline PANDA has also found more than half of mums with the illness are waiting at least a month to seek help, and one in 10 callers to the service are at serious risk of self-harm or suicide.

    Okay…

    When things deteriorated, Renee ended up in the emergency department and within a couple of days was in a mother-baby unit, where she spent the next nine weeks. “Unfortunately Renee’s experience is really common,” said PANDA CEO Terri Smith, who added the social media representations of ideal families could have serious effects.

    Right, 1 in 10 will end up a mother-baby unit for 9 weeks. I don’t think so.

    New analysis of calls to PANDA’s helpline in 2016-17 reveal the extent to which parents are not aware of perinatal depression. It found three quarters of callers hadn’t discussed emotional and mental health issues with their GP, and that half felt unprepared for the challenges of parenthood.

    So it is a very biased sample. And who does not feel “unprepared for the challenges of parenthood”?

  89. Pickles

    A fire at counting headquarters with a deemed 54% win to the dancers of the chocolate cha cha to avoid the awful possibility of a re run.

  90. God created space and time; he is not bound by them.

    Yeah that. So he’s not six thousand years old or whatever.

  91. Pathetic, isn’t it IR.

    Yep. The author of the survey if FITH.

  92. Stimpson J. Cat

    Of course he won’t be able to use his real name.

    Well he f$cking won’t now will he?
    Jesus F$cking Christ.

  93. Rabz

    From the Darebin survey:

    List up to five effects of climate change. If you do not know any, please list “I don’t know” in Effect 1.:

    Effect 1
    Screeching green imbeciles

    Effect 2
    Corrupt braindead politicians

    Effect 3
    Tax hoovering grant gobblers

    Effect 4
    Sanctimonious media morons

    Effect 5
    Impoverished taxpayers

  94. C.L.

    Good question from Lambie.

  95. feelthebern

    Why would Lambie tweet that?

  96. feelthebern

    That is, won’t she be one of the ones missing out on pension?

  97. Pathetic, isn’t it IR. I liked the effects of CC. I used –
    increased number of polee bears
    penguins starving because of massive ice sheets
    Ships stuck in antarctic ice
    Increased crop yields
    and can’t remember the fifth.

    Hotter, colder, wetter, drier and the wind changed.

  98. Zyconoclast

    Sessions set to establish second special counsel to investigate Clinton/Obama/FBI crimes:

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/280817/

    Link says considering and entertaining the idea.
    Will he recuse himself again?

  99. P

    What date is the Alexander/KKK election?
    The winner of Malotto will the person who picked the day after.

    Prediction: 25% swing to the ALP (2PP)

    By-election day is Saturday 16 December 2017.

    I go along with your prediction. Sounds about right.

  100. feelthebern

    If Moore is exonerated, I will apologise to all Cat’s who are backing his story.
    But FFS, the guy is a creep who thought the GOP would keep his secrets safe.

  101. feelthebern

    KKK will win the by-election against anyone the LNP put up against her because vagina.

    PS from now on, I will be calling the bi-elections because I am very mature.

  102. Rabz

    What date is the Alexander/KKK election?
    The winner of Malotto will the person who picked the day after.

    Prediction: 25% swing to the ALP (2PP)

    Given that by-elections have historically seen massive swings against the government, I think it’s fair to say that Alexander is toast (again).

    BTW, I didn’t get a spot in Mallotto as I predicted a by-election would see the GWoW’s demise, but couldn’t possibly predict when one might take place.

    Sad.

  103. notafan

    Of course he won’t be able to use his real name. It was Kasim Mohammed.

    What a zinger.

    It hardly comes as a surprise that on some values we have a little in common with muslims, I am sure a similar conversation with a Sikh or a Hindu or a Buddhist uber driver would be equally in agreement.

    In fact I’m sure we already knew that but on issues like the impact of the presence of islam in the west and its desire to dominate and impose theocracy/sharia law and many other issues not so much.

    Mohammad Tawhidi would be far more welcome, his comments about Yammie and Manus were spot on.

    ‘The majority of refugees fled Sharia law and Islamic governments.
    ‘If you want to blame a government, blame Islamic governments/caliphates.’
    Asylum seekers have fled Sharia law nations like Iran – where Sheikh Tawhidi was born – and Somalia.”

    Muslims flee to the west and then promptly try to recreate the hellholes they left.

  104. jupes

    My guess: 63% No.

    Fuck I hope so.

    Absolutely no one in the media/political complex have even considered No winning.

    Imagine the howling and weeping.

  105. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2552531, posted on November 14, 2017 at 1:50 pm
    Of course he won’t be able to use his real name.

    Well he f$cking won’t now will he?
    Jesus F$cking Christ.

    If he does, you’ll know in advance that he’s a good bloke. And if he doesn’t, he’ll keep his anonymity. Win-win.

  106. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    This tweet by Jacqui Lambie is interesting

    https://twitter.com/JacquiLambie/status/927724352983855104

    Jacquie Jacquie from the Highlands had some redeeming features as a pollie.

    She may have been a malingerer but her concern for veterans was good.

  107. notafan

    Jackie’s tweet I believe refers to a dispute she had with Centrelink over her status whilst campaigning

    There was an Australian article back in 2014 called
    Jacqui Lambie ‘got DSP on election trail’

  108. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    70/30 homo hoedowns for the win.

    The kids and their parents are all mad for sodomy these days.

  109. JC

    C.L.
    #2552533, posted on November 14, 2017 at 1:52 pm
    Good question from Lambie.

    Yea, but what are the odds she would have asked that question if she wasn’t booted out.
    Sour grapes?

  110. Roger

    Jacquie Jacquie from the Highlands had some redeeming features as a pollie.

    Locals found her accessible and she was against ss “m”.

  111. DrBeauGan

    Muslims flee to the west and then promptly try to recreate the hellholes they left.

    Some, yes, Notafan. Others, no. Much like Christians, some are sensible decent people and others are lunatic zealots.

    The former get the higher media profile. I am not at all sure they have the numbers.

  112. Cactus

    Howd I do?

    From the Darebin survey:

    List up to five effects of climate change. If you do not know any, please list “I don’t know” in Effect 1.:

    Effect 1
    Taxes are higher than they ought or need to be

    Effect 2
    Electricity prices are higher than they need to be for no discernible change to the temp

    Effect 3
    Pensioners cannot afford to heat their homes

    Effect 4
    Businesses close and employ less people

    Effect 5
    Council’s impair property market activity by forcing green schemes on building homes.

  113. I know what the Sodomites did. What did the Gomorrans do?

  114. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Sessions set to establish second special counsel to investigate Clinton/Obama/FBI crimes:

    Special counsels at twenty paces.

  115. C.L.

    Lambie told the senate she is “illegible” to continue.

  116. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Name one Liberal politician you prefer over Lambie?

  117. Chris

    I know what the Sodomites did. What did the Gomorrans do?

    You want chapter and verse?

  118. rickw

    F$ck Iowahawk.
    Him and Blair are pipepuffing purveyors of SSM.
    Just gay gay gay.
    He is a disgrace to bald men.

    Quite So.

  119. C.L.

    Epic social media wank …
    Seriously, who does this for a 2 year-old’s birthday?
    Click ‘n scroll.

  120. Lambie (in the words of Jules) will leave an inedible mark on history.

  121. Mother Lode

    Whatever the result of the plebiscite, it will show that the support for SSM is nowhere near as overwhelming as has been made out.

    To listen to the talking heads there is hardly a person in Australia who doesn’t think ‘Love is love’ (what an appallingly cloying and vacuous pretense of a sentiment). Only a few bigots and hillbillies.

    Support for ‘No’ being north of 40% will mean that any government be openly defying an enormous demographic, even if the group they side with is a bit larger.

    They have fixed it so they are near guaranteed to offend a large swathe of people whose votes they want.

    There is a reason Labor kept kicking it down the road. A soon as they started talking about ‘principle’ you knew it was something else.

    Turnbull has a near Monty-esque gift for rakes.

  122. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    homos by 55% – women shouldn’t have been given the vote

  123. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    She balances life as a glamorous WAG with running her own candle business and fashion blog.

    How does she manage!

  124. Geriatric Mayfly

    Di Natale firing questions at Brandis. Brandis still addresses the cracked Greeny as Di Natalāy as does the new President.

  125. notafan

    Epic social media wank …
    Seriously, who does this for a 2 year-old’s birthday?

    Too many, probably, but what a fake story.

    Mrs Clarke put the toppings on a cake made by someone else, everything else was supplied/catered in ugly foil disposable containers and there should be a round of applause from the public at large for a ‘glamazon’.

    Maybe if the two year old had done put them sprinkles on.

  126. Second prediction:

    MSM will say the by-election losses were because the Liberal Party has moved too far to the right.

  127. Zyconoclast

    Epic social media wank …
    Seriously, who does this for a 2 year-old’s birthday?
    Click ‘n scroll.

    This should cause more mums into perinatal care for 9 weeks. Maybe 12 weeks.

  128. Zyconoclast

    Lambie (in the words of Jules) will leave an inedible mark on history.

    Hydrochloric acid should clean that up.

  129. C.L.

    Yeah, good point, ‘fan.
    She couldn’t even take the catered food and put it into some nice serving dishes?

  130. John64

    14-Dec-17 John64
    Closest by a mile.

    I’ve been feeling pretty bullish about my chances for a couple of months now.

    C’mon Mick Trumble – just hang in there for another month ……………..

  131. DrBeauGan

    I like the sunny optimism here about the ssm poll. I do hope it’s justified by the results, because as Jupes points out, the look on the faces of the ‘elites’ will be a joy to behold.

    The fact that our so called ‘elites’ are in favour of ssm tells you just how stupid they are. And how little they are entitled to the name.

  132. OneWorldGovernment

    The fact is that Abbot could win the next election but he will do it by embracing Bernardi’s Australian Conservatives, Hanson’s One Nation and whomever represents the SSF as well as the remnent of Conservative Australia. The ‘delcons’.

    The former liberal party of Australia used to claim that they were a broad Church but the fact is they had factions that were not obviously apparent to us ‘mug’ punters and have struggled.

    When I take over Australia I will take excise out of the equation of taxation.

    I will take over every State Park and declare them open season for mineral and gas exploration and development. Including the so called Great Barrier Reef.

    I will also revoke the taxation designation of Not For Profit.

  133. Cannibal

    61% No
    Return rate 60%, thereby enabling the poligrubs to claim that they are not bound by the result (just like they have said from the outset).

  134. Chris

    Good call Monts. I am trying to jinkx it by calling YES and the two of us together could rake it over the line!

  135. Andreas

    m0nty
    #2552581, posted on November 14, 2017 at 2:28 pm
    61% yes for me.

    I was thinking 60% yes, now I’m not so sure…

  136. The exit polls suggest 64%, but I was being conservative.

  137. John64

    Of course; the X-factor in the homosexual marriage survey is that every other cause Mick Trumble has given his support to has gone down in a flaming heap ……….

  138. H B Bear

    BTW, I didn’t get a spot in Mallotto as I predicted a by-election would see the GWoW’s demise, but couldn’t possibly predict when one might take place.

    Yes. Let’s not forget the bullshit Lord Waffleworth and his treacherous Performing Stick Insect put forward over the Canning by-election that Hastie went on to win comfortably.

  139. Return rate 60%,

    If the margin of the for/against is less than the percentage that did not vote, then no one can claim a mandate for action.

  140. The exit polls suggest 64%, but I was being conservative.

    How can you have ‘exit polls’ for a postal vote?

  141. DrBeauGan

    How can you have ‘exit polls’ for a postal vote?

    You can ask all your friends how they voted.

  142. OneWorldGovernment

    dover_beach
    #2552595, posted on November 14, 2017 at 2:42 pm

    The exit polls suggest 64%, but I was being conservative.

    How can you have ‘exit polls’ for a postal vote?

    LOL

  143. Philippa Martyr

    My best guesses –

    65% return rate, and results divided thus:

    57% Yes Vote
    40% No Vote
    3% defaced/informal/illegible

  144. Top Ender

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    A Lurker 63% No
    Chris 53% Yes
    DrBeauGan 98% No
    Senile Old Guy 65% Yes
    Top Ender 60% No
    The Beer Whisperer 53% No
    P 64% No
    The Deplorable Barking Toad 52% No
    Diogenes 75% no
    incoherent rambler 50-50. Yes to win by 1 vote
    Pete m 51% yes
    Snoopy 59% Yes
    John64 57% YES / 40% NO / 3% informal
    Eyrie 51% NO
    Mark from Melbourne Yes 52/48
    Infidel Tiger 2.0 70/30 Yes/No
    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) 55% Yes
    Wivenhoe 57% no
    Carbon Emitter 78% No
    m0nty 61% yes
    Cannibal 61% No

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself
    (prize may be swapped for a Maccas night for two at winner’s discretion)

  145. Eyrie

    All good policies, OWG. I especially like the last one.

  146. Philippa Martyr

    Hey Top Ender – add me!

  147. Uh oh

    If Monty says 61% ‘yes’ I’ll confidently predict 61% ‘no’.

  148. Andreas

    In the final days of voting the ABS said returned ballots were ~78%.

  149. Cannibal

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself

    I’ll take plenty of seasoning.

  150. Mother Lode

    How can you have ‘exit polls’ for a postal vote?

    I don’t get the question.

    You just make a number up.

    What else do you think.

    97% of statisticians recognise that.

  151. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2552597, posted on November 14, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    How can you have ‘exit polls’ for a postal vote?

    You can ask all your friends how they voted.

    I used to think you had something to say.

    Turns out you are just a vacuous dick head.

    Are you monty’s father?

  152. Eyrie

    Add: open the Victorian high country to cattle again, re-establish a sustainable timber industry everywhere.

  153. Uh oh

    Cannibal
    #2552588, posted on November 14, 2017 at 2:35 pm
    61% No

    Sorry Cannibal, you beat me to it.

  154. DrBeauGan

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    This is really a ‘How dumb do you think your fellow Australians are’ Lotto. I guess we find out tomorrow.

  155. Senile Old Guy

    The ABC again reporting on the ABC.

    The ABC will ditch its traditional television and radio divisions in favour of content-based units in news, entertainment, local and innovation.

    Fake news?

    Today’s announcement did not include any staffing changes outside of a management reshuffle, with news director Gaven Morris emphasising there would be no job losses associated with these changes. “It’s a very rare time at the ABC when you’re allowed to announce something of a kind of change to the way we organise ourselves that isn’t attached to a big budget saving or job losses,” he said, standing alongside the ABC’s managing director Michelle Guthrie.

    Hahahahaha!

    But there was no guarantee of future staffing levels, with Ms Guthrie saying the “search for efficiencies will go on, as it should for a taxpayer-funded organisation”.

    I think she is serious but really! More fake news.

  156. OneWorldGovernment

    Eyrie
    #2552613, posted on November 14, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    Add: open the Victorian high country to cattle again, re-establish a sustainable timber industry everywhere.

    Absolutely and definitely.

  157. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1237

    Christine Forster’s got (Lib) next to her name, so you’ll back her attackers to the hilt.

    Fixed that for you m0nyy!

  158. DrBeauGan

    I used to think you had something to say.

    I’ve never made that mistake about you, owg.

  159. littledozer

    Darebin Council are conducted a survey on Climate change here
    Have fun cats and kittehs. The postcode is 3072.

    Climate emergency plan who knew

  160. lotocoti

    58% Yes.
    Which means, based upon my past attempts at prognostication, the No vote will win.

  161. Oh come on

    m0nty, where is the link of me doing the following:

    OCO, you were spitballing the other day about how you disbelieved the Moore accusers, thought it was all fake

    Mmyes, let’s look at the archive:

    And I’m not overly inclined to instantly believe these victims who suddenly reveal themselves in this way, particularly so after the concerted media effort to manufacture a bunch of phoney-looking sexual harrassment/assault claims against then-candidate Trump. Remember when the ex-CNN reporter went on Q&A advising us not to emulate US politics or media? How she pitched a loaf in the Q&A punchbowl by pointing out that when every mishap befit Hillary, shortly after another “Trump chick” would be unveiled and that the synchronicity was uncanny?

    I doubt very highly that this woman was a Trump supporter – I just think she had an old fashioned journalist’s nose for bullshit. So no, I’m not at all inclined to believe on face value what the Washington Post claims to have uncovered. Let’s see how things turn out.

    You are wrong again.

    No, you are lying. I did not say I disbelieved the Moore accusers – as you well know and as anyone who reads what wrote can see. I said I wasn’t inclined to believe their stories on face value, and I said let’s see how things turn out. That is not disbelieving, that is not saying the whole thing is fake – that is having a healthy skepticism and not rushing to judge the situation prematurely.

    You can apologise whenever you’re ready.

  162. Top Ender
    #2552603, posted on November 14, 2017 at 2:52 pm

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    58% No

  163. I did not say I disbelieved the Moore accusers

    You said twice that you were not inclined to believe them. Don’t come the raw prawn, OCO.

  164. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2552621, posted on November 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    I used to think you had something to say.

    I’ve never made that mistake about you, owg.

    Monty,

    Come on down.

  165. Diogenes

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself
    (prize may be swapped for a Maccas night for two at winner’s discretion).

    Given a choice I’ll take the Maccas at glorious Mt Druitt by the Sea (aka the Lakehaven Store) . Much nicer people, even if they are the parents of some of my ‘lovelies’ 🙂

  166. Senile Old Guy

    From Law and Religion Australia:

    A recent UK court decision upheld the decision of University authorities to remove a student, Felix Ngole, from a post-graduate Social Work course, because of views he had expressed in a public social media forum about the Bible’s view on homosexuality. In my opinion the decision is a shocking breach of principles governing both religious freedom and freedom of speech, and should be over-turned as soon as possible. For Australian readers, it is also a salutary reminder that when the law on marriage changes, it becomes harder to protect religious and other freedoms.

    But, hey, George Brandis has it covered, so I’m not worried…oh, wait!

  167. Boambee John

    Dr BG at 1434

    “The fact that our so called ‘elites’ are in favour of ssm tells you just how stupid they are. And how little they are entitled to the name.”

    Our so-called elites are a bunch of self selected wankers who make the Cecils and Salisburys and others of the 19th C British aristocracy look like men of the people.

  168. Baldrick

    Sparkx
    #2552481, posted on November 14, 2017 at 1:28 pm
    Darebin Council are conducted a survey on Climate change here
    Have fun cats and kittehs. The postcode is 3072.

    Thanks Sparkx. No sure if they’ll run with my suggestion of building a giant Gerbil Worm but hey, anything’s possible.

  169. Given a choice I’ll take the Maccas at glorious Mt Druitt by the Sea (aka the Lakehaven Store) . Much nicer people, even if they are the parents of some of my ‘lovelies’ 🙂

    I’ll go for MOS Burger

  170. v_maet

    Darebin Council survey completed.
    They are going to get slammed.

  171. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2552591, posted on November 14, 2017 at 2:38 pm
    The exit polls suggest 64%, but I was being conservative.

    Exit polls! Mein Gott, I thought it was postal voting only!

  172. Eyrie

    Darebin Council councillors appear to be delusional. Pity we got rid of the loony bins.

  173. jupes

    Name one Liberal politician you prefer over Lambie?

    Andrew Hastie.

    Might just have been a better soldier as well.

  174. Mike of Marion

    Top Ender
    #2552495, posted on November 14, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    TE

    May I have 62% NO please.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    We have found one better Lib MP.

  176. rickw

    Darebin Council survey completed.
    They are going to get slammed.

    Also completed, fucking communists can get fucked.

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Might just have been a better soldier as well.

    You know as well as I do that Corporal Lambies job was to wear the big reflective gauntlets, and make sure all the trucks in the convoy went the same way. A mentally retarded baboon would be a better soldier.

  178. Stimpson J. Cat

    Pity we got rid of the loony bins.

    Trust me, they are still there!

  179. DrBeauGan

    Eyrie
    #2552643, posted on November 14, 2017 at 3:22 pm
    Darebin Council councillors appear to be delusional. Pity we got rid of the loony bins.

    It was a big mistake. Some psychologists said it would better for the nutters if they mixed with the rest of us so our sanity would rub off on them. It probably worked to some extent. Unfortunately some of their nuttiness rubbed off on our more vulnerable too.

    The politicians liked the advice because it would save money for them to spend on bureaucracy. So we have a plague of nutters and bureaucrats.

  180. JC

    It true to some extent, Harvard is basically a hedge that happens to own a university.

    Whatever you may hear, the Republican tax-reform proposal isn’t an assault on higher education. The House and Senate plans include a new 1.4% excise tax on the net investment income of university endowments, but the levy applies only to private colleges with at least 500 students and endowments of more than $250,000 a student. Schools like Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Princeton—which together hold over $100 billion—are predicting doom. Yet this long-overdue tax will benefit higher education in the end.

    Over the past 30 years universities have chased higher returns on their endowments, leading them to take greater risks. Our research shows that more than 75% of the assets in university endowments are now in risky investments: securities, hedge funds and private equity. Think of Harvard as a tax-free hedge fund that happens to have a university.

    The proposed levy on investment income—dividends, interest and capital gains—is fundamentally a tax on this risk-taking, not on the endowments themselves. By taxing risk-driven income, the GOP plan doesn’t target higher education. It goes after hedge funds masquerading as university endowments.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-hedge-fund-that-has-a-university-1510615228

  181. John Constantine

    Dinner at their point piper?.

    Can i provide the homemade mushroom casserole?.

  182. John Constantine

    The yes vote will get up, but the ‘hanging chad’ amount of mysteriously uncountable and spoiled votes will be statistically significant.

    Lucky the right sort are doing the vote counting, Comrades.

  183. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Dinner at their point piper?.

    Can i provide the homemade mushroom casserole?.

    I have a rocking salmon mousse to bring.

  184. Stimpson J. Cat

    Lucky the right sort are doing the vote counting, Comrades.

    I have faith in the nerds to do it fairly.
    Otherwise it proves definitively once and for all that anyone with an interest in numbers and statistics and algebra and mathematics is a deviant social saboteur with no redeeming qualities what so ever.

  185. Mother Lode

    And how little they are entitled to the name.

    The progressives who cleave to political and economic principles from the 19th century.

    A Labor party that is devoted to de-industrialising Australia and policies that will destroy Australian jobs.

    A Liberal party that believes its mission is to grow the size of the government to police the citizenry and coerce them into technocrat’s pigeonholes.

    Banks forgoing profitable loans because of social justice issues.

    A Human Rights Commission that is implacably opposed to rights.

    A justice system strangely unmoved by injustice.

    A victim class that victimises its purported oppressors.

    The list goes on.

  186. Top Ender

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    (Just over half of the Cat is saying No will win….)

    A Lurker 63% No
    Chris 53% Yes
    DrBeauGan 98% No
    Senile Old Guy 65% Yes
    Top Ender 60% No
    The Beer Whisperer 53% No
    P 64% No
    The Deplorable Barking Toad 52% No
    Diogenes 75% no
    incoherent rambler 50-50. Yes to win by 1 vote
    Pete m 51% yes
    Snoopy 59% Yes
    John64 57% YES / 40% NO / 3% informal
    Eyrie 51% NO
    Mark from Melbourne Yes 52/48
    Infidel Tiger 2.0 70/30 Yes/No
    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) 55% Yes
    Wivenhoe 57% no
    Carbon Emitter 78% No
    m0nty 61% yes
    Cannibal 61% No
    Philippa Martyr – added but has not given a number yet
    Rickw 72% No
    Lotocoti 58% Yes
    v_maet 54% No
    Carpe Jugulum 58% No
    Peter Castieau 51.6% NO
    Baldrick 69% No
    Mike of Marion 62% NO

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself
    (prize may be swapped for a Maccas night for two at winner’s discretion)

  187. Can i provide the homemade mushroom casserole?.

    I have a tightly sealed jar of self made shit peanut butter.

  188. Top Ender, may I suggest you sort them in pendulum order.

  189. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5079783/Counselling-offered-LGBTI-police-officers.html

    Victoria police force – dealing with the issues that really matter. Are they expecting a “No” vote?

  190. DrBeauGan

    Otherwise it proves definitively once and for all that anyone with an interest in numbers and statistics and algebra and mathematics is a deviant social saboteur with no redeeming qualities what so ever.

    Yep, sounds like me, alright.

  191. Lysander

    Top Ender,
    please put me down for 52% NO!

    If this is the case I will shout YES.

  192. Westie woman

    My vote ..

    Yes 50% yes plus one deciding yes vote from a friendly SSM supporter amongst the counters

    Sad!

  193. [Extending a handshake] Hello Martin. And you [turning and smiling] you must be Losey Trumble.

  194. lotocoti

    I have a rocking salmon mousse to bring.

    It’ll compliment my Fugu Pâté.

  195. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yep, sounds like me, alright.

    No, we have to wait and see.
    Goddamn sanies jumping the gun.
    No patience I swear.

  196. lotocoti

    prize may be swapped for a Maccas night PicoPrep for two at winner’s discretion

  197. Boambee John

    m0nty was getting his ears pinned back this morning on the Christine Forster assault.

    Suddenly the SS”M” survey is the hot issue of the day! LOL.

  198. H B Bear

    The BBC has uncovered details of a secret deal that let hundreds of IS fighters and their families escape from Raqqa, under the gaze of the US and British-led coalition and Kurdish-led forces who control the city.

    The West is now incapable of successfully waging war. They should sub-contract this to the Sri Lankans who know how to deal with terrorists.

  199. Chris

    lotocoti, how do you do zose outrageous accents? I wish to demand they appear in my gender pronouns.

  200. You cats need to consider probability versus what you would like to happen.

  201. Number of ballots defaced with the slogan “F$ck you Trumble” – 25%

    That would be nice.

  202. notafan

    These negotiations that allow fighters to escape to fight another day seem to be a feature of the wars in Syria and Iraq.

    I’ve read similar stories many times over the last few years.

    I wonder if money is involved or the winning side to it to avoid excessive casualties during a clean up of the tail end of reaver rate plague.

    The Kurds also seem to favour capture and release.

  203. JC

    Tubby Ashton will invariably say Pell is responsible for this.

    A former senior Anglican priest has been charged over a series of alleged historic sexual assaults against a 15-year-old boy in the NSW Hunter Region.

    After a referral last year from the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, which will hold its final sitting next month after a five-year inquiry, police from Newcastle began investigating allegations dating back to the early 1990s.

  204. notafan

    It is noticable though that Islamic State slaughtered unarmed prisoners in their thousands when the opportunity arose.

    Young airforce recruits and so on.

  205. Snoopy

    CNN is horrified that Trump didn’t raise human rights with Duterte. After 8 years of Obama there are human rights issues in the world? Was Obama sitting on his hands or did he not just care?

  206. lotocoti

    I wish to demand they appear in my gender pronouns.

    Cópy añd Pâsté.

  207. OldOzzie

    SSM Vote Lotto

    TopEnder I will go 38.8% NO (Pessimist listening to my Greenie Youngsters)

  208. OldOzzie

    Australia bans foreign political donations, cracks down on offshore influence

    The Turnbull government has announced a suite of tough new laws banning foreign political donations, updated definitions for espionage, sabotage and treason, and a US-style foreign influence registry to tackle “unprecedented levels” of covert offshore influence in Australia.

    Warning the threat of covert foreign interference is a problem of “the highest order and is getting worse”, Attorney-General George Brandis announced the government would take up a series of recommendations from an internal review ordered by the Prime Minister in May.

    “The Director-General of ASIO – the agency primarily responsible for investigating espionage – has advised that foreign intelligence activity against Australia continues to occur on an unprecedented scale,” Senator Brandis told the Senate on Tuesday.

    The crackdown comes amid deepening unease among security experts over foreign manipulation and is seen as a direct riposte to China.

    While there have been widespread warnings of interference by Russia in European and US elections, local fears have centred on the level and intent surrounding Beijing’s involvement in Australian universities.

    Australia’s most senior diplomat, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade secretary Frances ­Adamson, last month urged universities to better protect themselves from the rising influence of the Chinese Communist Party, saying that “silencing of anyone in our society – from students to lecturers to politicians – is an affront to our values.”

    Espionage and covert foreign interference can “cause immense harm to our economic prosperity and the very integrity of Australian democracy,” Senator Brandis told parliament.

    “We’re seeing public reports of the insidious effect being directed against other liberal democracies as well, whether it be interference in democratic elections, or the stifling of debate.”

    The government’s response will cover three main legislative strands: the banning of political donations from foreigners; an updating of the criminal code to include revisions of espionage, sabotage, treason and secrecy offences, as well as a new category criminalising “certain acts of foreign interference”, and; a transparency measure partly modelled on the US Foreign Agents Registration Act, which would act similar to a lobbyists’ register.

    “This government is committed to ensuring our political system is free from foreign interference and covert influence. We believe that only Australian individuals and organisations should be able to participate in Australian elections,” Senator Brandis said.

    Legislation on the banning of foreign donations will be introduced into parliament during the spring session, with Senator Brandis flagging plans to introduce the transparency scheme in the current sitting.

    “That regime will require individuals or institutions to make a declaration if they’re acting on behalf of a foreign power, to influence the political processes of Australia.

    “For the first time, the public and decision-makers in government will have visibility of the level and extent to which foreign sources may be seeking to influence Australia’s government and political processes.”

  209. A Lurker

    You cats need to consider probability versus what you would like to happen.

    The majority of PHON/AusCon/other non-aligned right-wing voters will have voted No.
    I’d suuggest a good half + of Libs and Nats will have voted No.
    I’d suggest a good one third + of Labour (ethnics & catholic Left) will have voted No.
    Then you have those who voted No because they didn’t like the bullying and intimidation from the Gaystapo.
    Older folk would likely have voted No because they don’t like change and mistrust politicians.

    On the other side of the equation you have the Greens (not many if any No voters there).
    The Regressive Left of the Liberal/Labor/Nationals wets.

    Add in the percentage of young people who:
    #1 Couldn’t be arsed about sending it in.
    #2 Were too focused on playing with their electronic devices.
    #3 Wouldn’t have a clue about how to post an envelope.

    Plus there vote counting corruption to be considered.
    Plus keep in mind this little bit of news (and I don’t think it is aimed towards disappointed No voters).

    So I’m thinking, hoping, praying for a No victory – somewhere between 59-63%.

  210. notafan

    Oldozzie thought that was going to be about Getup but if it snares more than one lot that is fine too.

  211. Chris

    Cópy añd Pâsté.

    Comme ça? C’est formidable, cette pâté.

  212. OldOzzie

    Hmmmm – Should I try?

    Article If you are a mouth breather, close your lips and read this

    Every night, Patrick McKeown sleeps with his mouth gently taped closed. He does it to force himself to breathe through his nose.

    His passionate belief in the power of nose breathing led him to abandon a corporate job in Dublin 20 years ago and pursue a breathing method that was changing his life.

    It was clearing the fog in his head.

    McKeown says he used to be a poor student, always distracted, tired and struggling to concentrate. To get through his economics degree at Trinity College, he had to spend double the time studying compared with his peers.

    Once out in the workforce, he read an article in The Irish Times about nose breathing and casually began following the recommended advice.

    It was revelatory. He dropped his job and went to Russia to study the technique from its founding father, Professor Konstantin Buteyko.

    Now, at 44, he is the Director of Education and Training at the Buteyko Clinic International and is the author of seven books, including the bestseller The Oxygen Advantage.

    No harm

    McKeown was in Australia last week teaching athletes and executives the Buteyko technique to improve their breathing and through that, their sleep and their performance.

    The basics of the technique are well explained in a TED talk he delivered last year entitled “Shut your Mouth and Change your Life”.

    The Buteyko method has been in use in Australia for the management of respiratory conditions since the 1990s and like other natural therapies, receives a mixed response from the medical profession.

    While there is consensus it does no harm and can be useful in some people with asthma, there is debate about how useful it is for other breathing disorders such as sleep apnoea, dental problems and excessive tiredness.

    McKeown has now trained close to 7500 people in breathing correction and says the main problem is mouth breathing.

    “Sit in a café and watch people walk by. You’ll see that at least four out of 10 adults have their mouths open.”

    So why is that a negative?

    “Because those who breathe through their mouths during the day inevitably do so at night,” he says.

    Hidden handicap

    It’s a hidden handicap that affects people in ways they don’t even recognise.

    Because many people take 20 breaths a minute, which equates to more than 28,000 a day, breathing well can make an enduring difference.

    For one thing, the nose is designed to capture moisture and those who breathe through an open mouth have a 42 per cent greater moisture loss.

    More moisture loss equals more dehydration, which equals more fatigue

    “You cannot have a good night’s sleep if you breathe through your open mouth,” he says.

    It not only dries out the mouth, it dries out the upper airways and increases their vulnerability to inflammation. It also leads to shallow chest breathing.

    He says there is research to show that when healthy men have a nasal obstruction and breathe though the mouth, their sleep is lighter. The quality is poorer with more instances of apnoea, arousals and awakenings.

    To nose breathe effectively, some people lightly tape their mouth with a fine medical paper tape called Micropore.

    Instructions on how to tape the mouth safely can be viewed on a video from the Advanced Buteyko Institute.

    To help the nose stay open, some people use small plastic devices, called Mute, to keep their nostrils flared.

    Relaxed and light

    Breathing is an involuntary process, but it is possible to reprogram the way it is done, even during sleep.

    “Nose breathing activates the diaphragm,” says McKeown. “You can only breathe deeply if you breathe in and out through your nose.

    “Because it’s deep, it’s more relaxing. But when you breathe deep, you don’t need to take big breaths – they can be light.”

    “Light nasal breathing activates the diaphragm. We promote light breathing.

    “Think of people who get very out of breath walking a small distance. They are breathing heavily and seem unfit. People who are stressed breathe hard, people who are sick breathe hard.

    “But you won’t notice the breathing of people who are healthy.”

    Similarly, he says those who snore or have sleep apnoea breathe hard and often wake exhausted.

    “Just try it,” he says. “Try taking 10 hard breaths in and out – you’ll be left light headed.”

    Misconception

    He says there is a misconception that the more air we breathe, the more oxygen gets delivered to the cells.

    A normal breather takes in four to six litres of air a minute. Someone with sleep apnoea can take in eight to 15 litres and those with asthma can take in 10 to 15.

    But just as too much exercise is bad and too much food is bad, so is too much air.

    Paradoxically, he says chronic over-breathing can lower the amount of oxygen being delivered to the cells, including the brain. This is known as the Bohr effect.

    The Buteyko theory holds that undiagnosed hyperventilation is an underlying contributor to, if not a cause of, numerous medical conditions including asthma – the condition McKeown lived with for more than 20 years.

    Instinctive

    He says Buteyko’s primary objective is “normalisation” of breathing through the nose, which is relaxed and light.

    Over time, the technique becomes instinctive and within a couple of weeks, the exercises are gradually phased out as the condition improves.

    Once under way, nasal breathing promotes itself. On inhalation, it protects the airways by humidifying, warming and cleaning the air entering the lungs. On expiration, it traps the moisture and the heat.

    One of the commonest symptoms at Buteyko courses is a partially or fully blocked nose. It is also one of the earliest symptoms to respond to the breathing exercises.

    Nose breathing is natural. McKeown says animals breathe through their nose, except when panting to regulate temperature and only humans mouth breathe in such large numbers.

    For centuries, across all societies, humans have been providing each other with exercises to improve breathing for a range of health issues.

    While many claims have been made for the usefulness of the Buteyko method, in diabetes, digestive disorders, skin problems and high blood pressure, McKeown says he and Buteyko Clinic International teach it for only sleep, anxiety, rhinitis and asthma because strong evidence exists.

    Official review

    Unrelated to Buteyko, he says there are several studies on the benefits of nose breathing for sleep quality and dental health.

    Internationally, there is also new interest in the value of nose breathing in children with sleep disorders.

    On the Buteyko method, he has co-written two studies showing benefits for children, one of which was published this year in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine.

    But in 2015, the “Review of the Australian Government Rebate on Natural Therapies for Private Health Insurance” was unable to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of the Buteyko breathing technique for conditions other than asthma.

    On the question of other pulmonary complaints, the review did raise the possibility that the deep inspiration required to perform a lung function test might induce broncho-constriction, thereby overriding any beneficial effect from the Buteyko breathing technique.

  213. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bernardi being a bit of a trick in the Senate – moving motions commemorating the anniversaries of the Reformation and the Siege of Vienna. Also a tilt at the anniversary of Communism’s subjugation of Russia, to which a Labor shill rose to her hind trotters and objected.

  214. Tintarella di Luna

    50.01% Yes
    49.99% No

  215. DrBeauGan

    I càn dö āccëntß frøm my phôné. I jûst hávè tõ hœld my thûmb döwn fòr a bït.

  216. Pedro the Ignorant

    64% Yes if you please TE.

    Charter aircraft full of ABS “officials” takes off for the Bahamas at the same time the result is announced.
    Plumes of smoke rise from the backyard of the ABS counting house.

    Trust restored.

  217. Top Ender

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto

    Now with new sort function and totalling….

    Yes – 12 predictions
    No – 20 predictions

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 70/30 Yes/No
    Senile Old Guy 65% Yes
    m0nty 61% yes
    Snoopy 59% Yes
    Lotocoti 58% Yes
    John64 57% YES / 40% NO / 3% informal
    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) 55% Yes
    Chris 53% Yes
    Mark from Melbourne Yes 52/48
    Pete m 51% yes
    Westie woman 50% + 1 Yes
    incoherent rambler 50-50. Yes to win by 1 vote

    DrBeauGan 98% No
    Carbon Emitter 78% No
    Diogenes 75% no
    Rickw 72% No
    Baldrick 69% No
    P 64% No
    A Lurker 63% No
    Mike of Marion 62% NO
    Top Ender 60% No
    Wivenhoe 57% no
    The Beer Whisperer 53% No
    The Deplorable Barking Toad 52% No
    Eyrie 51% NO
    Cannibal 61% No
    Carpe Jugulum 58% No
    Stackja 55% NO
    v_maet 54% No
    Lysander 52% NO!
    Peter Castieau 51.6% NO
    Makka 48% No

    Philippa Martyr – added but has not given a number yet

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself
    (prize may be swapped for a Maccas night for two at winner’s discretion)

  218. Chris

    I càn dö āccëntß frøm my phôné. I jûst hávè tõ hœld my thûmb döwn fòr a bït.

    I won’t mention the war.

  219. H B Bear

    Teh Australian’s in-house click-bait Frightbat, Caroline Overington, getting hammered in the comments,

    Jacqui Lambie is a class act … a working class act

    Not sure where Fat Clive got these people to begin with. Hopefully Bernardi won’t make the same mistake when he gets the ACs up and running.

  220. DrBeauGan

    Hopefully Bernardi won’t make the same mistake when he gets the ACs up and running.

    I think Bernardi is well aware of the risk of being infiltrated by lefties and fuckwits. BIRM.

  221. Gilas

    Top Ender,
    yes 67%, adjusted for the benefit of the stupid MSM.

  222. Chris

    Abbottbeast behind paywall says:

    Vote shows we can respect views with which we disagree

    Whichever way it goes, the supporters of marriage between a man and a woman can be proud of their campaign. With polls showing support for same-sex marriage as high as 70 per cent just two months ago, the No campaign has done a fine job reminding people of the importance of keeping faith with values and institutions that have stood the test of time. Change is part of life but change for the better is invariably evolutionary, not revolutionary, and builds on our best traditions and historical strengths.

    Two months ago, there were all sorts of hysterical claims about the bigotry and homophobia that the plebiscite would supposedly unleash. There have indeed been nasty social media posts on both sides of the argument but there’s been no bullying, intimidation, or prejudice from the No campaign. Yet again, the Australian people have shown that they’re more than capable of respecting views they don’t necessarily agree with and the Abbott government’s decision to resolve this matter by popular vote has been vindicated.
    (snip)
    Yet defeat could turn out to be a blessing in disguise if it forces the defenders of Western civilisation out of their long complacency. For too long we have put up with the trashing of our country’s history and the rubbishing of our ethical norms because we didn’t want to upset people.

    The most persuasive advocates of same-sex marriage have a point when they characterise it as merely the latest manifestation of the decency and generosity of spirit that has long characterised Western societies. But how long can we slice and dice the ethical understandings on which our civilisation has rested? How far can we accept the redefinition of concepts that have always been taken for granted; assert rights without corresponding responsibilities; allow every opinion to be equally valid; or seek to give what we haven’t actually got? If we don’t want to end up at the bottom of a slippery slope, we have to be careful about starting down in the first place.
    (more snip)

  223. Delta A

    97% Yes, (after homogenisation.)

  224. JC

    George Takei admitted he assaulted men in a prior interview with Howard Stern.
    https://twitter.com/ThePatriot143/status/929737579628515328

  225. Oh come on

    You said twice that you were not inclined to believe them

    You are misquoting me, you dishonest worm. I said I was not inclined to believe them at face value. I was indicating, if nothing else, an unwillingness to jump on the #MeToo bandwagon, but as a general rule I am not inclined to believe anyone who makes a claim about anything without knowing further details that might support or disprove their claim. And in this case, I wanted to know more before I made my mind up.

    Now if you’ve quite finished misrepresentating what I wrote, I’ll have that apology for your repeated attempts to verbal me.

  226. Bruce of Newcastle

    Proof that the left really is bonkers.

    Poll: 77% of Democrats with 4-Year Degrees Think Sex Not Determined at Birth

    The survey … finds that Democrats with a bachelor’s degree or more education are more likely than other Democrats to say a person’s gender can be different from the sex they were assigned at birth. About three-quarters (77%) of Democrats with a bachelor’s degree or more say this, compared with 60% of Democrats with some college and 57% of those with a high school diploma or less. No such [education] divide exists among Republicans.

    It’s fun that the more lefty indoctrination these people have had the more they believe. Education is truly making people stupider.

    Republicans were roughly opposite – 80% saying sex was defined at birth.

    I am proudly XY, at least as far as I can tell since I’ve never had a DNA exam.

  227. Cactus

    54.5% Yes please Top Ender

  228. Mark from Melbourne

    VDH “From one frenzy to the next”

    Worth a read, if only for this conclusion, which may have had some pertinence here earlier in the day…

    In all these hysterias and frenzies, caution and moderation become proof of complicity. Calls for quiet reflection and moments of calm to weigh evidence are seen as veritable confessions of guilt or aiding and abetting the crime. To demand respect for the spirit of due process is to offer proof of one’s own culpability. One day, actor Richard Dreyfuss is furious that Kevin Spacey allegedly groped his son right under his nose. The next, Richard Dreyfuss is outraged that he is accused of allegedly earlier doing something himself far worse to a similar young aspirant.

    Hypocrisy and irony become endemic: the chargers of Russian collusion are the original colluders. The loud protesters who take a knee themselves became the targets of silent fan protests. The statue smashers can put up statues worse than what they tore down. The men who swear they are feminists do so because they are misogynists. The accuser is blamed for accusing, or for staying silent so long, or for exaggerating the ordeal; the silent non-accuser is assumed to have advanced a career through willful acquiescence. Who can sort out the crime, the collusion, the conspiracy?

    History is full of such frenzies—the stasis on Corcyra, the Spanish Inquisition, the Committee of Public Safety, or the strange career of Joe McCarthy. They all can start over some legitimate grievance and all can quickly turn manic. And as we play each fit out, expect the madness to come full circle as it always does, when the spell wears off and 51 percent of people finally revolt at the very thought of tearing down Washington’s statue, or lumping together a criminal rapist with a loudmouthed sexist of 20 years past, or envisioning a multimillionaire spoiled, has-been quarterback as the next Jackie Robinson—or treating a fake-news smear document as if it were the New Testament.

    H/T Insty

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