A possible way to deal with the dual citizen politicians

A matter of principle rather than cost.

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38 Responses to A possible way to deal with the dual citizen politicians

  1. 2dogs

    It would be a very different country if politicians were contractually bound by their word. You know. Like the rest of us are.

  2. Good luck with them trying to win that case. If the wording of that letter reflects what was in the job advertisement, they don’t have a hope in hell.

    The description just talks about technologies ‘involving’ these programing languages. The applicant may well have been ‘involved’ in past work which used these languages and his interpretation of the job application may have been quite reasonable.

    So if we used the same with politicians, you had better be able to write the job description very clearly and it had better use language that cannot be interpreted in more than one clear way.

  3. jonesy

    Specific questions of ministers?…..like in question time? ROFLCMGU😆

  4. closeapproximation

    Is this fur realz?

  5. H B Bear

    It’s worse than that. Some of them are actually elected and go on to cost the country tens of billions of dollars. Thing of you KRuddy (NBN, country shoppers, BER), Conroy (NBN) and Gillard (NDIS, Gonski).

  6. Uh oh

    $100 an hour for the boss? That’s not even plumbers’ rates.

  7. Hydra

    Lying on a statutory declaration is illegal.

    Jail them.

  8. Slim Cognito

    Lying on a statutory declaration is illegal.

    Lot of difference between a resume/ application and a statutory declaration….. unless you are talking about MP’s.

  9. Diogenes

    So if we used the same with politicians, you had better be able to write the job description very clearly and it had better use language that cannot be interpreted in more than one clear way.

    Prezactly …
    And it is for this reason a whole pile of pollies hung on until the HC before coming clean as the High Court says in circumstance x , then you a bloody foreigner , in circumstance y – you are a pure as the driven snow aussie , and because nobody has tested circumstance z – who knows?. Eg S44(i) makes no mention of ‘reasonable attempts’ to renounce foreign citizenship – this requirement has been made up out of whole cloth by the HC. Thus Sam Dastardly,actually born in foreign country, is fine , despite the fact that he has made ‘reasonable’ attempts to renounce, he could walk into the Iranian Embassy tomorrow with his birth certificate & a couple of hundred $$s and walk out with an Iranian Passport , and if arrested for anything could request consular assistance, while others, who actually need to first prove descent with grand parental, parental & own birth, death & marriage certs, filing paperwork, paying a fee, attending a consulate to take an oath etc etc are not .

  10. Sydney Boy

    Good luck with that. Might as well try to bill cold callers and door knockers.

  11. Tintarella di Luna

    This whole debacle of the citizenship and other matters could have been fixed by making the nomination form a statutory declaration for all candidates in all elections where ever statement is a sworn statement.

  12. JB5

    Rebekah lol. Shocked I tells ya, shocked! How about a succinct phone interview to shortlist candidates before you bring them in. I’m sure it would have been “immediately obvious” after a couple of specific questions. If I was “Rebekah” (lol) I would be kicking HR’s ass for short listing this muppett.

    As to politicians, democracy as it’s currently practised is a scam anyway, so who cares? Get serious about reforming it or get off.

  13. Senile Old Guy

    Is this fur realz?

    No, it’s fake. Obviously fake.

  14. John64

    If it took the three of them 2 hours each to work out that the bozo wasn’t suitable for the job then they should all resign.

    Based on the letter; the interview should have been all over in 5 minutes tops.

  15. duncanm

    who’d want to work for that company – they have an HR department.

    Biggest waste of space in an organisation.

  16. bobby b

    If it became “immediately apparent” that he was unqualified, why did each of those people try to bill two hours for considering him?

    Wouldn’t he have a strong case, if the interview went on for two hours after they “immediately realized” he didn’t fit, for billing them for the two hours of his own that he wasted?

  17. Shine a Light

    In terms of the political history of Australia, I suggest this episode ranks about between 1000 and 5000 in importance.
    Technically, it probably ranks numbers 1 in terms of the last 10 years.
    Hopefully, our parlimentarians will find better a better use for their time and our money.better

  18. Roger

    If it became “immediately apparent” that he was unqualified, why did each of those people try to bill two hours for considering him?

    Indeed.

    Perhaps the failed applicant could bill them for his time.

  19. Sparkle Motion

    That train-wreck letter reads a little like an HR version of “we’re going to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it”!

  20. Natural Instinct

    Sparkle Motion – Mexico will pay for the wall at the stroke of a pen.

    These annual “remittances” topped $69 billion in 2016, according to central bank data compiled in a new report

    About 40 percent of the money goes to just one country — Mexico — practically all of it sent by migrants in the United States….. Also, says Orozco, the median amount that any given Mexican migrant sends hasn’t changed — about $300 at a go, 14 times a year, most commonly through a money transfer company such as Western Union.

    During the campaign, Trump discussed various versions of the idea — including some that could potentially impact remittances to all countries, not just those to Mexico. As much as such a move would affect Mexico — for which remittances account for just over 2 percent of GDP — the ramifications could actually be greatest for the region’s poorest, most violence-prone countries. Remittances make up nearly 20 percent of GDP for Honduras and El Salvador, for instance. And in the case of Haiti they account for one-fourth.

  21. Tom Allen

    The constitution allows any citizen to claim $200 per day from anyone who sat in parliament while unqualified. Section 46

  22. Suburban Boy

    Assuming the letter-writer makes good on his promise and takes the interviewee to VCAT, the lawyers have a term for it: “abuse of process”.

    Abuse of process is a tort and the usual remedy is to award costs in the original action against the tortfeasor. Although costs are not usually awarded in VCAT there are exceptions in section 109 of the VCAT Act that include suing someone without any legal justification.

    In short: They were idiots to threaten and they’d be bigger idiots actually to start a case in VCAT.

  23. MikeS

    Typical IT nerds. Most of their documentation is pompous, semi-literate twaddle. Many I have endured seem to spend most of their day attempting to demonstrate their superior knowledge of every obscure, pointless craft. Every technical discussion becomes a pissing contest. The applicant dodged a bullet with this crew.

  24. Pauly

    Lying on a statutory declaration is illegal.

    Jail them.

    Unfortunately it isn’t quite that simple.
    Giving false information in a stat dec. isn’t a crime if it is from:
    – A mismunderstanding
    – A genuinely held belief at the time
    – A mistake
    – Ignorance
    – If you are too stupid to comprehend what you’ve done is wrong. (aka the Shane Warne defence)

    Essentially to get into trouble you have to (a) know what you’ve said is wrong and (b) known it would mislead the recipient of the information

    So for the professional lying weasels that they are there is far too much wriggle rooom.

  25. The applicant dodged a bullet with this crew.

    I really hope that the applicant calls their bluff.

  26. Tekweni

    I doubt whether any of these parliamentary frauds did not know that they weren’t entitled to sit in parliament. I know, and I am sure most people know, exactly were my parents were born and to what citizenship I was entitled. My paternal grandfather was born right here in Queensland. My father was born in London. I was born in Durban. Grandfather was a digger badly wounded in 1918 and met my grandmother when she was nursing him in a hospital in Brighton. I have SA/UK/NZ and Oz claims to citizenship. It was a bit contorted how we got to Oz. However I’d happily renounce everything except Oz citizenship if required.

  27. Up The Workers!

    It is VERY interesting that Kristina Keneally has already begun actively white-anting her possible future boss Bull Shitten, by formally releasing her Australian Citizenship and Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship form dated 2002 to the press and public.

    Bull Shitten has so far emphatically lacked the honesty and transparency to let ANYBODY see proof of citizenship of ANY of his dozen or more Caucus members with potential dual citizenship. In demonstrating a worrying degree of un-A.L.P.-like honesty, Keneally has already shown herself to be a square peg in a round Labor hole and clearly lacking in that well-cultivated culture of egregious dishonesty exhibited by her potential future Parliamentary Caucus colleagues.

    God forbid that there might ever be an inadvertently uncontrollable outbreak of HONESTY in the vile ranks of the rank and vile membership of the Australian LIARS’ Party – you don’t know where something like that could lead to.

  28. gbees

    I hardly think VACT will be interested in someone not passing the interview process because of their lack of Erlang programming knowledge. What a crock. Dear Rebekah, recruiter and owner of a recruitment search company. Stick it where it fits.

  29. W Hogg

    Giving false information in a stat dec. isn’t a crime if it is from:
    – A mismunderstanding
    – A genuinely held belief at the time
    – A mistake
    – Ignorance
    – If you are too stupid to comprehend what you’ve done is wrong. (aka the Shane Warne defence)

    Explain to me how Grublam, born in NZ and only moving to Oz half way through primary school, has access to any of these defences?

  30. Cementafriend

    In Qld a JP sprcifically warns declarants thst putting anything false in a Stat Dec is a crimnal offence and that they could be jailed. The declarant then eas to declare that they understand and the contents in the document are true. Justise Einfeld was jailed for making a false declaration concerning a traffic offence. I agree politicians who make false declarations should have no defence and should be jailed. That includes Julie Gillard who falsely declared she witnessed Blewits signature on a particular date.

  31. Rich

    Yeah, guy who rocked up without the right qualms should def call their bluff

  32. Oh come on

    Hahahahahahaha yeah, nice try. If the person pays it, they are incredibly dumb. If it went to court, surely the defendant could simply claim to have made an honest mistake?

    I’d be tempted to deposit 50c into their account and say something rude about it being payment for some aspect of Rebekah’s physical appearance.

    But honestly, though, how many of us have gone for jobs, spent serious time preparing an application, rocking up to interview etc…only to find out later that the person serving in the role got the job and you never really stood a chance? The traditional application to interview winnowing process is a colossal time waster for all involved, really. Would be much better if jobs were filled via aptitude tests, with the interview itself being a relatively minor component of the process.

  33. Robber Baron

    The applicant was a moozley. Tim would be on the case.

  34. JohnA

    Senile Old Guy #2552240, posted on November 14, 2017 at 9:48 am

    Is this fur realz?

    No, it’s fake. Obviously fake.

    Of course. “Erlang” gave it away.

    My son teaches Python and MySQL inter alia to students online. But without resorting to Dr Google, I believe an erlang is a traffic measure used in telephone tech. to approximate the number of outgoing lines required to provide a defined level of service availability to inside extensions running off a PABX.

    Could be obsolete now in the digital/virtual era.

  35. MikeS

    But without resorting to Dr Google, I believe an erlang is a traffic measure used in telephone tech.

    Dr Google says yes but it is a programming language as well. Although Erlang was number four on the list of desired languages in the letter, its utility now is measured by its ability to trounce an unworthy applicant. I guess they never got to the questions about online game play, preferred pizza, cola and personal hygiene. They were probably offering $40 per hour for this exalted position at the bottom of the totem pole. Lucky if anyone in country with functional English actually applied.

  36. Pauly

    Explain to me how Grublam, born in NZ and only moving to Oz half way through primary school, has access to any of these defences?

    “I genuinely believed my parents did it for me when I was a child”.
    We’re not dealing with common or garden variety weasels here, we are dealing with the professional shameless lying type. In the absence of him using a kiwi passport, voting in NZ or something like that then it gives him enough wriggle room.

  37. Pauly

    In Qld a JP sprcifically warns declarants thst putting anything false in a Stat Dec is a crimnal offence and that they could be jailed. The declarant then eas to declare that they understand and the contents in the document are true. Justise Einfeld was jailed for making a false declaration concerning a traffic offence. I agree politicians who make false declarations should have no defence and should be jailed. That includes Julie Gillard who falsely declared she witnessed Blewits signature on a particular date

    In a former career I prosecuted people for insurance fraud, and from experience I know that you need at least 2 false stat decs, the second coming after a warning that you think the first has dodgy information, before you can even get to the starters line for a prosecution.
    Einfeld was a aspecial case due to his position as a judge which required him to have a much higher duty to the law than an ordinary person. As far as I know Einfeld was the only one jailed over the scam, and even then if he had come clean as soon as the cat was out of the bag rather than persisting in the lie he wouldn’t have been jailed.

    Julia Gillard should be in jail. The false witnessing was the tip of the iceberg there, just the part that’s easiest to explain/understand. But somehow the key original documents got disappeared.

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