Wednesday Forum: November 15, 2017

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  1. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    2nd?

  2. Dr Fred Lenin

    Right beside you Rob.

  3. Dr Fred Lenin

    Anyone need a doctor ? Youniversidies are full of them these days.,doctors of bullshit that is .

  4. Mother Lode

    Revenge of the sixth.

  5. Diogenes

    I did but see a new thread but passing by

  6. Baldrick

    How very ABC:

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    ‘Bracing for another Brexit or Trump shock‘: Your predictions for the same-sex marriage result #SSM

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Magically 10% of the population just got sick.

    30 Million Americans Were Just Diagnosed With High Blood Pressure, Here’s Why…

    30 million Americans who woke perfectly healthy yesterday morning are now suddenly in need of expensive hypertension treatments after the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology decided to lower the definition of “high blood pressure” to 130/80 from the previous trigger of 140/90.

    I love how these numbers are always rounded to the nearest ten the taken like they are cast in solid osmium. The climateers do it too: remember how 2 C of warming being the limit suddenly became 1.5 C of warming?

  8. Tom

    Very strange that, if Yes got up, the result hasn’t been leaked by the Gay Fuhrertruppen.

  9. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    The drillers and the slurpers are gathering in Haig Park Braddon in anticipation of a yes vote.

    It’ll be a full on homo hoedown!

  10. How will the SS’M” result be publicized? Press conference? Or just publication on the ABS website? Or both?

  11. BorisG

    I hope 55 no, but my head says 60 yes.

  12. Geriatric Mayfly

    The drillers and the slurpers are gathering in Haig Park Braddon in anticipation of a yes vote.
    It’ll be a full on homo hoedown!

    Teasing and foreplay should be well underway at the ABC.

  13. OneWorldGovernment

    I’m going to marry ABC.

    SSM.

    We will frolick.

  14. OneWorldGovernment

    If the ABC deny me I will take my case to the “family law court”.

  15. Chris

    Didn’t make the team. Can I play anyway?

  16. Chris

    I just puked. And cleaned it up. At work.

  17. Geriatric Mayfly

    The midnight hour has passed in Zim. Is Bobby still whispering sweet nothings in Grace’s ear.

  18. Top Ender

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto, to be drawn Wed am

    And they’re off!
    The Cat narrowly predicts a No vote
    at present, with:

    Yes – 25 predictions
    No – 29 predictions
    Course, is probably wishful thinking.
    Delta A 97% Yes
    Bruce in WA 71% Yes
    Infidel Tiger 2.0 70/30 Yes/No
    Old School Conservative 70% YES
    Gilas 67% yes
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) 66% YES
    Senile Old Guy 65% Yes
    Leigh Lowe 60.4% Yes
    m0nty 61% yes
    André M Yes 60%.
    Snoopy 59% Yes
    Lotocoti 58% Yes
    Obio 57.75% Yes
    John64 57% YES / 40% NO / 3% informal
    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) 55% Yes
    Cactus 54.5% Yes
    Motelier 54% Yes
    Chris 53% Yes
    Mark from Melbourne Yes 52/48
    Pete m 51% yes
    Tintarella di Luna 50.01% Yes
    Westie Woman 50% + 1 Yes
    incoherent Rambler 50-50. Yes to win by 1 vote
    Marcus Classis 50.25% yes
    Anthony 50% yes, 50% no
    DrBeauGan 98% No
    Carbon Emitter 78% No
    Diogenes 75% no
    Rickw 72% No
    Baldrick 69% No
    Pedro the Ignorant 64% Yes
    P 64% No
    A Lurker 63% No
    Mike of Marion 62% NO
    Top Ender 60% No
    Cannibal 61% No
    DtjW 58% NO
    Carpe Jugulum 58% No
    Wivenhoe 57% no
    Philippa Martyr 57% Yes
    Helen 56% no
    Helen Davidson 56% no
    Stackja 55% NO
    v_maet 54% No
    The Beer Whisperer 53% No
    The Deplorable Barking Toad 52% No
    Lysander 52% NO!
    Peter Castieau 51.6% NO
    Eyrie 51% NO
    Armadillo 50.6% No
    Tintarella di Luna 50.01% Yes
    Harlequin Decline 50% No
    Makka 48% No
    OldOzzie 38.8% NO

    Prize: dinner for two at Point Piper with Him and Herself
    – in the event of a Yes vote, a chilled white cheeky chardonnay will be served
    – in the event of a No vote, it will be Victoria Bitter – and no-one will be more bitter than the host
    (prize may be swapped for a Maccas night for two at winner’s discretion)

  19. H B Bear

    By lunchtime no QANTAS steward need be unfulfilled.

  20. Snoopy

    Breaking news! National petroleum jelly shortage!

  21. Gilas

    A sad day for common sense and decency.

  22. Chris

    The midnight hour has passed in Zim. Is Bobby still whispering sweet nothings in Grace’s ear.

    Those nothings are zeros on the Swiss and Caymans bank balances. There have been a lot of them.

  23. Geriatric Mayfly

    Let’s hear it from Stanley Holloway: 🎵🎶🎶

    ‘I’m gettin’ married in the mornin . . .’ ‘

  24. pete m

    oldozzie pipped monty by .2

    sucked in!

  25. Chris

    Well butter my arse and call me pansy.

  26. C.L.

    61.6% of Australians believe sodomy is the same as marriage?
    That’s what decades of left-wing ‘education’ does to a nation.

  27. Tom

    A sad day for common sense and decency.

    A triumph for Marxism’s march through the institutions, using pouves as useful idiots.

  28. H B Bear

    So the “overwhelming support” 70% figure bandied about by the YES case was a complete fabrication all along. Where to next for the Gramscian march?

  29. Chris

    oldozzie pipped monty by .2

    That’s a non-rake to the Mont

  30. 61.6% of Australians believe sodomy is the same as marriage?
    That’s what decades of left-wing ‘education’ does to a nation.

    Indeed. Terrible news but I’m not surprised.

  31. Snoopy

    Mugabe had his obvious faults but he kept poofs in their place.

  32. Gilas

    On the old fred:

    Rev. Archibald
    #2553073, posted on November 14, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    Why should I give in because fuckheads took over the system?

    Massive respect!

  33. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has the Family Court applied for new funding yet, given the workload about to avalanche from these fractious relationships?

  34. Roger

    ACT returned highest Yes vote, NSW the lowest.

  35. H B Bear

    Doctors’ wives out in the Performing Stick Insect’s blue ribbon Lieboral seat of Curtin – 72.2% Yes. Highest in WA.

  36. Geriatric Mayfly

    Mugabe had his obvious faults but he kept poofs in their place.

    As President Banana would attest.

  37. Geriatric Mayfly

    Where to next for the Gramscian march?

    My little pony.

  38. max

    Feeling angry. Lucky I’m Catholic, not Muslim.

  39. lotocoti

    Pssst.
    Anyone want to buy a contraband copy of Pride And Prejudice?
    It’s unexpurgated, carrying that homophobic passage from the Book of Common Prayer.

  40. Sparkx

    Local ABC Brisbane has unbearable reporting. Have turned off. Lisping poofs saying how awful it has been,

  41. cohenite

    I for one welcome our queer overlords (gender neutral).

  42. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty wins!
    Stopped clocks to go out on strike in protest.

  43. H B Bear

    Has the Family Court applied for new funding yet, given the workload about to avalanche from these fractious relationships?

    Homo divorce makes the heteros look rational. Does throw up some opportunities though. My BIL picked up a 60ft Maritimo for a song at one point, including a bonus carton of beer because neither of the them could bear to even set foot on it.

  44. OneWorldGovernment

    So all Australian mosques will be burnt to the ground.

  45. Rufus

    Turnbull! is smarter than he looks. He was schooled by John Howard with the bitter defeat of the republican referendum.

    Regardless of the result today, the process has been structured (by Turnbull!) to give ‘Yes’ the best possible chance of victory by reversing the structure of the vote.

    The republic referendum presented voters with a specific model and gave voters a longer time to examine the model and its consequences. The more they saw and the more they thought about it the less they liked it. A ‘No’ victory ensued.

    Turnbull! learned from this and has opted for a general question and a short lead time. The mail out began a few days after it was confirmed, the question is generic and designed to raise as few objections as possible.

    The meedja also in lock step on this, united behind Yes.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, Old Ozzie wins not M0nty.
    38.8% no = 61.2 % yes
    Strike called off.

  47. OneWorldGovernment

    So, if I’m a queer and I see a muslim what do I do?

  48. Every cloud has a silver lining. With a nearly 80% participation rate in a voluntary vote, now would be a good time to start a movement to end compulsory voting. Low participation rates in elections was the official reason for its introduction in the first place.

  49. Dr Faustus

    So, city electorates hi-fiving and doing little fist-pumps.
    Country electorates not so much.

    Turnbull acts as agent for Shorten and brings in a controversial measure at his own electoral expense.
    Shorten gets the credit in the urban jungle for “bringing the Government to its senses“.

    Smart politics by Shorten; politics as usual by the Election Winning Machine.

  50. lotocoti

    So, if I’m a queer and I see a muslim what do I do?

    Deploy a distraction pony.

  51. Senile Old Guy

    So it is 6:4 in favour. Hardly an overwhelming endorsement. But a lower “yes” than I expected (I went with 65%: missed it by that much). Given the blanket MSM support for “yes”, this should be considered a disappointing result.

  52. eam

    Greens will win Higgins next election.

    “We” voted 78.3%, only beaten by Melbourne and Melbourne Ports, Greenie hotbeds.

  53. Yohan

    If you are a real Libertarian, which means supporting the primacy of property rights and freedom of association, then surely you must support any business or individual who chooses to discriminates against a homosexual couple.

    RIGHT? HOW MANY FAKE LIBERTARIANS ARE ON HERE WHO THINK OTHERWISE !!

  54. wivenhoe

    So, is this now where they demand a referendum to change the constitution so that SSM is made mandatory?

  55. Viva

    Malcolm rolling in this result like a dog in shit.

  56. Andreas

    Clearly hacked by the Wussians.

  57. Snoopy

    Every cloud has a silver lining. With a nearly 80% participation rate in a voluntary vote, now would be a good time to start a movement to end compulsory voting. Low participation rates in elections was the official reason for its introduction in the first place.

    Sadly we’re unlikely to see that for as long as the AEC pays candidates upwards of $2.50 per vote received.

  58. There is in fact a bright side to the size of this victory. It is big enough that the Yes side may just over-egg the pudding such that the religious freedom caveats may fall away leading to the sort of situations that will give pause and likely change the mind of those that thought there was no negative side to redefining marriage. While the No side is still large enough that you need to change the mind of about 12% of those that voted Yes, though that is still quite a task.

  59. maman

    Rufus @ 10:17am

    “Turnbull learned from this and opted for a general question and a short lead time”

    So that explains the exhortation on the survey form to

    “Put that envelope in the mail… today if you can!”

    Zero respect, ZERO!!

  60. Chris

    If you are a real Libertarian, which means supporting the primacy of property rights and freedom of association, then surely you must support any business or individual who chooses to discriminates against a homosexual couple.

    No true Scotsman would tolerate this manipulative claim.

  61. Geriatric Mayfly

    With a nearly 80% participation rate

    I guess the 20% is the donkey vote and the ranks of the politically uninformed. We can do without them at election time, thank you very much.

  62. Mater

    38.4% hey?
    When you are trying to legislate ‘respect’, that is an awful lot of people to forcibly coerce.

    And they thought this survey was divisive!

  63. Gab

    Why do I suddenly feel like I’m living in Sodom & Gomorrah?

  64. OneWorldGovernment

    Kristine Keanelly, the scum, eliminated the oldest managed forest in Australia. River Red Gums along the Murray River.

    What do you think the skank will wipe out if she gets into the Australian parliament?

  65. JC

    Yohan
    #2553544, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:21 am

    If you are a real Libertarian, which means supporting the primacy of property rights and freedom of association, then surely you must support any business or individual who chooses to discriminates against a homosexual couple.

    RIGHT? HOW MANY FAKE LIBERTARIANS ARE ON HERE WHO THINK OTHERWISE !!

    Cake shop, sure. But let me ask you a question, Yohan. What if the water, phone company wanted to discriminate. What if the bus company wanted to stick you in the back? What then?

    The point is that during the Jim Crow Laws in the southern states of the US you did have a version of this form of discrimination. Now it would have been possibly okay for say a cake shop refusing blacks service, but it would not have been if the bus service or other semi-monopolies did this to people. Hence the anti-discrimination laws in the US in the 60s.

    It’s not as simple as you think.

  66. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is speaking.

    People have “voted yes for fairness, they voted yes for commitment, they voted yes for love”.

    Then Turnbull must think that the Church he is a member of is against fairness, commitment, and love. What a turd.

  67. OneWorldGovernment

    How come inner city filth don’t reject coal fired electricity?

  68. notafan

    Oh well, they can make all the laws they like, the truth remains the truth and my conscience is still free.

  69. Bruce in WA

    A sad day for common sense and decency.

    Indeed 🙁

  70. jupes

    There is in fact a bright side to the size of this victory.

    Turnbull to resign?

    We can only hope.

  71. Des Deskperson

    Here are the State/Territory nominees so far for AOTY,with their official brief citations. WA and Tas have yet to nominate:

    NSW: Professor Michelle Yvonne Simmons, Professor in quantum physics

    Vic: Samuel Johnson OAM’ , Actor and fundraiser for cancer research

    Qld: Jonathan Thurston, NRL player and indigenous mentor

    SA: Professor David David AC, Craniofacial surgeon

    ACT: Mark Dion Devon, Entrepreneur and community leader

    Superficially, they don’t look so bad. No ‘activists’ yet. Thurston has behaved badly in public from time to times but maybe he has redeemed himself through good works. Samuel Johnson comes across – for what that’s worth – as genuine, but if media coverage is any indication, his sister must be the only person ever to have died of cancer.

  72. Pickles

    Mr Garrison ecstatic
    Mr Slave could not reach around for comment
    Mr Hat & Mr Twig lawyering up for property claim
    Lemmywinks still down the mine

  73. Andreas

    Cheering in Lakemba.

    Is there? I looked earlier and Watson, the seat Lakemba is in voted 69.6% no.

    But I guess we are one step closer to polygamy.

  74. Sparkx

    Gab
    #2553559, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:28 am
    Why do I suddenly feel like I’m living in Sodom & Gomorrah?

    Probably because that is what we have become.

  75. Stimpson J. Cat

    This is f$cking Gay.

    Goddamn Degeneracy.

    F$cking Ethnics you have let us down once again.

    Just pathetic.

  76. Stimpson J. Cat

    The one time you want Muslim’s to riot and they let you down.
    Typical.

  77. TheSemiMentalBloke

    I don’t believe it. My father who fought at Kokoda would turn over in his grave
    if he knew the sacrifices he made for this country would be disrespected in this way.
    Marriage between a man and woman is fundamental to our way of life and now a few shirt lifters and stamp lickers have turned it into a farce.
    What’s next on the downward spiral of humanity.

  78. Now it would have been possibly okay for say a cake shop refusing blacks service, but it would not have been if the bus service or other semi-monopolies did this to people.

    The principle remains the same – the flaw in your argument is the words “semi-monopolies”. In a truly “free” (libertarian) market, those discriminated against – in your example the blacks – would simply start their own bus service, open to anybody to use. The only reason there is a problem in your example is because somebody (government) granted a monopoly or partial monopoly on supply.

  79. Hydra

    Why shouldn’t a private water company be allowed to disconnect water to any person that they see fit for any reason?

    If we had true competition in water provision services there would be another water company to take up the slack.

  80. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Stand by for the first bitter custody battles, over the designer label children….

  81. oldozzie pipped monty by .2

    This is one podium I am very happy to be on.

    @ljayes Laura Jayes
    Abbott – Warringah 75% yes
    Christensen – Dawson – 55% yes
    Dutton – Dickson – 65% yes
    Morrison – Cook – 55% yes
    Barnaby – New England 52.5% yes @SkyNewsAust

  82. Stimpson J. Cat

    This confirms everything Arky was ranting about last night.
    Goddamn Commies are everywhere.

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What’s next on the downward spiral of humanity.

    A reduction in the age of consent to nine years old, and polygamous marriage.

  84. Yohan

    Cake shop, sure. But let me ask you a question, Yohan. What if the water, phone company wanted to discriminate. What if the bus company wanted to stick you in the back? What then?

    The point is that during the Jim Crow Laws in the southern states of the US you did have a version of this form of discrimination. Now it would have been possibly okay for say a cake shop refusing blacks service, but it would not have been if the bus service or other semi-monopolies did this to people. Hence the anti-discrimination laws in the US in the 60s.

    It’s not as simple as you think.

    I’m playing devils advocate of course. But the monopoly situation only exists because of government interference with property rights in the first place, through regulation e.t.c. One flows from the other. So the bus, water, phone line examples don’t hold – once private property rights are actually respected.

    The historical record is that even utility monopolies only formed with government guarantee of protection from new entrants. Libertarians have written 100’s of books and journal articles on this very issue.

    And yes, people should be able to discriminate on any basis, including race, gender, tallness, shortness, attractiveness. You do it everyday.

  85. Snoopy

    If we had true competition in water provision services there would be another water company to take up the slack.

    How many water distributors (not retailers) do you think would be optimum? How many sewerage processing companies?

  86. notafan

    Cake shop, sure. But let me ask you a question, Yohan. What if the water, phone company wanted to discriminate. What if the bus company wanted to stick you in the back? What then?

    There is a difference, in the cases in the US service was not refused for day to day purchases but Christians refused to directly ‘participate’ in same sex marriages, as a matter of good conscience.

    Provision of basic utilities to be construed as participating in a wedding would be an incredible stretch, for anyone.

    It is going to be a rod for the back of anyone, who as a matter of conscience does not wish to actively participate in providing direct services for same sex weddings and you can bet, any amount, that there will be vindictive gays actively seeking out Christians, in particular, to force law suits.

    Were it me I would price myself out of the competition but others have been too honest.

  87. Abetz points out that 38.4% is more than the Coalition’s current primary vote. Hahahaha!

  88. old bloke

    Can I marry my dog now?

  89. Ellen of Tasmania

    Pssst.
    Anyone want to buy a contraband copy of Pride And Prejudice?

    It’s probably only a matter of time before the Bible is contraband. Or perhaps they’ll just insist on a new ‘edited’ version?

    But first they’ll just insist you can’t read it to your children. ‘Salami tactics’ have worked so well, so far.

  90. notafan

    Exercising freedom of conscience is not discriminating merely on the basis of a perceived trait of the other party.

    But then I am not a social libertarian.

  91. Yohan

    This whole idea that only religious people should be allowed to refuse service to gays is inconsistent with first principles. Why should a Christian (or Muslim) cake shop be allowed to not service a gay marriage, but someone who is simply disgusted and repulsed by gays must service them?

    The distinction between these two examples is just an arbitrary one. Abbott and the rest of Cuck Inc’s proposal to protect religious liberty is an unjust granting of privilege to one group while denying others.

  92. Joe

    What’s next on the downward spiral of humanity the west.

    If I had my druthers, I’d druther the Chinese invaded and took us over, the Muslims create too much disaster wherever they go. The Chinese on the other hand are builders and will no countenance interference with their public works. They also seem to try to do the best that they can for their subjects – whilst enriching themselves. Our lot are just out for themselves and devil take the hindmost.

  93. Mother Lode

    Homo divorce makes the heteros look rational. Does throw up some opportunities though.

    The magistrate will have to start flipping coins – they won’t be able to rely on rules of thumb like “Man bad. Woman good.”

    And when it comes to accusations of sexual abuse it will come down to who did it first.

  94. Joe

    Abbott and the rest of Cuck Inc’s proposal to protect religious liberty is an unjust granting of privilege to one group while denying others.

    You chose not to be religious, that choice comes with consequences.

  95. JC

    I’m playing devils advocate of course. But the monopoly situation only exists because of government interference with property rights in the first place, through regulation e.t.c. One flows from the other. So the bus, water, phone line examples don’t hold – once private property rights are actually respected.

    Sure, but we don’t live in Libertaria and even in libertaria there may be one service or goods provider in a particular market segment. it’s not the number of service providers that’s important, it’s the contestability of markets. In other words is the market contestable that determines all this.

    The historical record is that even utility monopolies only formed with government guarantee of protection from new entrants. Libertarians have written 100’s of books and journal articles on this very issue.

    That’s true, but it doesn’t describe the lay of the land now. We mostly have former government owned monopolies operating as private business with a regulator watching over them

    And yes, people should be able to discriminate on any basis, including race, gender, tallness, shortness, attractiveness. You do it everyday.

    Sure, but should the water company refuse you running, because you’re a pillow biter?

  96. Stimpson J. Cat

    OK it’s time people.
    It’s finally time.
    It’s time to talk about Gay Jesus.

  97. areff

    The kerfuffle about bakers and florists is largely academic.

    First, and most obviously, if you have a male florist, he’s almost certainly gay and won’t be refusing gay business.

    As to bakers, they bake cakes to order — and two little spun-sugar blokes or gals on the top tier should be neither here nor there. You don’t consult clergy for baking advice, and bakers have no authority to issue moral advice. Years ago, the now-defunct Melbourne grocery chain Moran & Cato would not hire Catholics. Those who reckon bakers can refuse to bake cakes on “moral grounds” are as guilty as those Presbyterian bigots of old.

    Alas, getting the state out of the “marriage” business by making all unions “civil” was the route not taken. That would have represented true equality, obliged the state to attend to its knitting as arbiters of contracts (all marriage is, after all) and left the churches to, ahem, altar couples’ status.

    Let us brace ourselves for roving bands of gay provocateurs attempting to rent church halls for homosexual bacchanals and, if they can find recalcitrant bakers, giving them a very hard dose of lawfare.

  98. Yohan

    How many water distributors (not retailers) do you think would be optimum? How many sewerage processing companies?

    Its hardly the thread to talk about this, but there are other options, like a yearly tank waste removal, Envirocycle e.t.c all which are banned by Australian regulation if you live in suburbia.

    Its hard to imagine what the options would be like under a free system of property rights.

  99. OneWorldGovernment

    areff

    Yes. I know that.

    In Argantinia they call them a weed.

    I have spoken with David Joss. Good bloke.

    I I worked in a Red Gum Sawmill once.

    The breaking down man lost his fingers because a spanner slipt.

    They charged into the office to tell me.

    I rang the local hospital to tell them what was happening.

    Asked the young bloke to find his fingers.

    Told them all to shut the mill down.

    Told them to put a tornique around his arm.

    They could not attach his fingers.

    He was sitting in the back of the vehicle whilst I drove him to the hospital.

    His family still love me and they are tough Aboriginal blokes.

  100. Viva

    Interesting that the oz newspaper always shows two attractive women cuddling up – never two hairy blokes. Wondet why that is?.

  101. notafan

    This whole idea that only religious people should be allowed to refuse service to gays is inconsistent with first principles. Why should a Christian (or Muslim) cake shop be allowed to not service a gay marriage, but someone who is simply disgusted and repulsed by gays must service them?

    We call it freedom of conscience, a right that people have understood and died for, long before the right to have your same sex marriage serviced (lovely image btw)

    I don’t doubt that people who are merely disgusted and repulse by gays will find a way not to do business with them. as they do now.

    Don’t worry about muslims, they are allowed to lie to the kafir and the idea that gays would take them on, in any case, is laughable.

  102. C.L.

    Those who reckon bakers can refuse to bake cakes on “moral grounds” are as guilty as those Presbyterian bigots of old.

    Catholic firms also refused to hire protestants and Masonic goat riders.
    None of that has anything to do with homosexuals ‘marrying’ one another.
    Presbyterians and Catholics alike would not only have refused cakes for homosexual ‘couples,’ they would also have beaten them over the head with a vase for asking.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why should a Christian (or Muslim) cake shop be allowed to not service a gay marriage

    Tel – Because they aren’t going to do it. You can put them in gaol, you can burn them at stake but they still aren’t going to do it.

    Canberra will look mighty silly if the gaols end up full of Christians who respectfully suggested a pair of lezzos might ask the flower shop down the street instead.

    And if Canberra lets gaynazis use lawfare to persecute Christians for such things some voters might work out that someone else might be lionfood after they’ve run out of Christians. Politicians come to mind as a hefty source of protein.

  104. max

    As to bakers, they bake cakes to order — and two little spun-sugar blokes or gals on the top tier should be neither here nor there.

    areff, I think the argument is more to do with profiting from the situation. Gaining benefit.

    The same used to apply to Catholic landlords renting out to couples living in sin.

  105. Leigh Lowe

    What’s next on the downward spiral of humanity.

    Creating a RRRRRRecognition in the Constitution and granting self-identifying Indigenes a Parliamentary veto, of course.
    Anyone who objects will be a bigoty bigot.

  106. Cannibal

    It’s probably only a matter of time before the Bible is contraband. Or perhaps they’ll just insist on a new ‘edited’ version?

    Already happening in Canada

  107. Chris

    Sure, but should the water company refuse you running, because you’re a pillow biter?

    Not that, that would be unjust, Being light in the loafers might be better grounds but how about this.

    Should the water company refuse to supply water to :
    1) People who are late with their water bills?
    2) Those who pay the bill but haven’t paid taxes?
    3) People with unpaid parking fines
    4) Actual goat botherers found guilty of goat bothering
    5) Hate preachers
    6) Convicted murderers
    7) Known PDF files?

  108. Yohan

    OK it’s time people.
    It’s finally time.
    It’s time to talk about Gay Jesus.

    Dont worry Stimpy,we are almost there.

    According to National Review and our very own Greg Sheridan, being for gay marriage is actually a conservative position we should support.

  109. Turtle of WA

    A mule is now legally a horse.

  110. OneWorldGovernment

    I have refused service to a person.

    They came back to say that they would shoot me with a shotgun.

    muslim. I said go for it.

  111. notafan

    Those who reckon bakers can refuse to bake cakes on “moral grounds” are as guilty as those Presbyterian bigots of old.

    In the few cases we have seen in the US the baker/florist had amicable business dealings with the happy couple until it came to the ‘big day’ then polite refusals were met with screams of outrage and spite.

    I don’t see that as mere bigotry but an exercise of conscience, in that for the baker florist to participate would be for themselves to commit a sinful act against God.

    Like I said, as I would not personally participate in a same sex marriage as a matter of conscience for business relationships I would find another way to wriggle out, I wouldn’t be doing a St Thomas More, that is for sure.

  112. Michel Lasouris

    dover_beach

    #2553549, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:23 am

    There is in fact a bright side to the size of this victory. It is big enough that the Yes side may just over-egg the pudding such that the religious freedom caveats may fall away leading to the sort of situations that will give pause and likely change the mind of those that thought there was no negative side to redefining marriage.
    Hmmm. Is that what is known as “messing” in one’s own nest? Could work……

  113. Farmer Gez

    A caller to Neil Mitchell said she was thrilled for her Mum, who is in a same sex relationship, as she can now marry and has a child from the relationship. Que?

  114. Makka

    So nearly 40% voted No. Let’s now see how Turdball can fk up the legislation so that those No’s get really shafted. We now what side of the political spectrum most of those probably reside. Then, let’s see how the LNP allows the national curriculum to be perverted with it’s LGBTQIABCDEF mania. The next poll will be very interesting.

  115. Yohan

    Sure, but should the water company refuse you running, because you’re a pillow biter?

    Yes JC, on any basis they can cancel. But there must be a reciprocal system of property rights in place that would allow other pipes to be laid, as would be the case if the government were not the sole regulator or monopoly supplier of the water utility.

  116. Chris

    And if Canberra lets gaynazis use lawfare to persecute Christians for such things some voters might work out that someone else might be lionfood after they’ve run out of Christians. Politicians come to mind as a hefty source of protein.

    Quite so.

  117. In the few cases we have seen in the US the baker/florist had amicable business dealings with the happy couple until it came to the ‘big day’ then polite refusals were met with screams of outrage and spite.

    I don’t see that as mere bigotry but an exercise of conscience, in that for the baker florist to participate would be for themselves to commit a sinful act against God.

    Exactly. And I don’t see why the same right of conscience should be denied a person who holds the same position for more or less the same reasons but is not a member of this or that religious confession.

  118. A caller to Neil Mitchell said she was thrilled for her Mum, who is in a same sex relationship, as she can now marry and has a child from the relationship. Que?

    Indeed, and this is what happens when the language is debased.

  119. Joe

    And if Canberra lets gaynazis use lawfare to persecute Christians for such things some voters might work out that someone else might be lionfood after they’ve run out of Christians.

    They haven’t so far. I have no confidence that the voters can work out (as a group) where their arse is. Absolutely no confidence that voters can come to a logical and just decision.

  120. Chris

    someone else might be lionfood after they’ve run out of Christians.

    Actually I was speculating that if a selection of old Christians turned Muslim and went totally IS on the enemies of the Church there would be a bit more respect all around.

  121. Joe

    And I don’t see why the same right of conscience should be denied a person who holds the same position for more or less the same reasons but is not a member of this or that religious confession.

    You chose not to be religious, that choice comes with consequences.

  122. Turtle of WA

    A caller to Neil Mitchell said she was thrilled for her Mum, who is in a same sex relationship, as she can now marry and has a child from the relationship.

    Big government types tend to overestimate the ability of government to give them what they want.

  123. Makka

    They haven’t so far. I have no confidence that the voters can work out (as a group) where their arse is. Absolutely no confidence that voters can come to a logical and just decision.

    Correct, except when the abuse and suffering they experience is sufficient enough to change their minds. We aren’t there yet.

  124. notafan

    I agree Dover Beach, freedom of conscience should be for everyone,.

    James Paterson’s bill has already been shot down in flames, funny about that.

    We’ll see who gets protections in the legislation, probably no-one.

  125. Joe

    I foresee an increase in the number of practicing and non-practicing Catholics and Muslims in Australia’s future.

  126. Sparkx

    Viva
    #2553653, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:59 am
    Interesting that the oz newspaper always shows two attractive women cuddling up – never two hairy blokes. Wondet why that is?.

    A lot of blokes really get off on the idea of two good looking girls going for it?

  127. Senile Old Guy

    Their ABC.

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull addressed the nation minutes after the result was announced, promising to bring the same-sex marriage bill to a vote in Parliament before Christmas.

    Turnbull finds a cause he can be bothered to do something about. Shame about the economy, the deficit, crushing taxes.

    “They have spoken in their millions and they have voted overwhelmingly Yes for marriage equality,” he said.

    6:4 is “overwhelming”? On the other hand, he would probably be delighted if that was the 2PP for the LNP.

    “They voted Yes for fairness, Yes for commitment, Yes for love.”

    I didn’t see any of that on the form!

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten told a raucous crowd at a Yes party in Melbourne today was a, “fabulous day to be an Australian”. “I say to all LGBTQI Australians, you are 100 per cent loved, 100 per cent valued and after the next two weeks of Parliament 100 per cent able to marry the person you love,” he said.

    So 60% is now 100%? And we now “love” people just because they are LGBTQI? I’m a bit old-fashioned: I judge people by who they are and what they do; and not because of the special interest group they belong to.

  128. Mother Lode

    Big government types tend to overestimate the ability of government to give them what they want.

    Agree.

    They think the state can bestow the attitude toward marriage, its traditions, and myriad other associations.

    That is the property of the community, not the government.

    I think people will simply make a distinction between ‘normal’ marriage and ‘gay’ marriage.

    What will actually happen when the law passes is that a word will have been taken from the traditional community and people will now have to treat gay couples who have a ‘love is love’ ceremony with a respect that they won’t actually feel.

    But the two middle aged men with pierced ears pawing at each other will still be a joke.

  129. JC

    I’ve talked about how this is distorted before.

    The wealthiest 1% of the world’s population now owns more than half of the world’s wealth, according to a new report.

    The total wealth in the world grew by 6% over the past 12 months to $280 trillion, marking the fastest wealth-creation since 2012, according to a new report from Credit Suisse. More than half of the $16.7 trillion in new wealth was in the U.S., which grew $8.5 trillion richer.

    But that wealth around the world is increasingly concentrated among those at the top. The top 1% now own 50.1% of the world’s wealth, up from 45.5% in 2001.

    The cost of a home in say Mayfair, the valuation stocks (price earnings multiple) is predicated on a peaceful existence and one the market perceives continuing for a long time.

    The cost of a fucking house in Mayfair would likely buy you nearly all of Mogadishu.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/11/14/richest-1-now-owns-half-worlds-wealth/862916001/

    Here’s a way of squeezi9ng down da inequality. Start laying pipe-bombs in Mayfair or SOHO NYC and impose draconian laws against corporations by say raising the corporate tax rate to 80%

    That will depress asset values enough to reduce inequality.

  130. Mark A

    Gab
    #2553559, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:28 am

    Why do I suddenly feel like I’m living in Sodom & Gomorrah?

    Lemme guess, because you are?

  131. cohenite

    I can’t wait for all the gay blushing brides to form a queue in front of Lakemba Mosque with his holiness kayser trad officiating and Waleed reporting on behalf of liberated islam.

  132. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I can’t wait for all the gay blushing brides to form a queue in front of Lakemba Mosque with his holiness kayser trad officiating and Waleed reporting on behalf of liberated islam.

    The part of the ceremony where the happy couple are led to the roof, and thrown into the street below , should provide fascinating viewing, indeed.

  133. Delta A

    she can now marry and has a child from the relationship. Que?

    this is what happens when the language is debased.

    It is obscene. Imo, the worst example to date was Elton John gushing that he and his ‘husband’ were trying for another baby.

  134. Mother Lode

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull addressed the nation minutes after the result was announced, promising to bring the same-sex marriage bill to a vote in Parliament before Christmas.

    He is hoping he will be able to leverage this to stay in office as far as Christmas.

    He thinks he finally has a legacy.

    He actually already had one – it is just that even he knows his entire track record is something to be embarrassed about.

  135. Roger

    Tony Burka’s electorate almost 70% No.

    ALP denies them a voice in parliament.

    Don’t be surprised if a Muslim political party arises out of this.

  136. JC

    Don’t be surprised if a Muslim political party arises out of this.

    Yea, but second preferences are all going to the Liars Party and Tony Burka.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    Abetz points out that 38.4% is more than the Coalition’s current primary vote. Hahahaha!

    Abetz is pointing out that the coalition primary vote is in the shit precisely because they have fucked over social conservatives.
    Malcolm’s Winners Circle moment on SSM will see it drop further.

  138. Snoopy

    John Alexander should be heartened by the SSM vote in Bennelong, Raving Yesser Keneally not so much.

    Bennelong No: 42,943 49.8% Yes: 43,215 50.2% Did not vote 20,000 19%

  139. Roger

    It will be interesting to see how the proposed Smith Bill conforms – or fails to conform – with the following. The interpretation of clause 3 is key:

    Article 18, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (passed into Australian law 13.11.1980)

    1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.

    2. No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.

    3. Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.

    4. The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to have respect for the liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions.

  140. notafan

    The Tony Abbott Statement

    I always said this was an issue where the Australian people wanted their say and today’s result demonstrates that seeking their views was the right thing to do.
    I congratulate the “yes” campaign on their achievement.
    The people have spoken and, of course, the parliament should respect the result.
    I also thank the 4.7 million Australians who supported marriage between a man and a woman.
    Both the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader have pledged their support for freedom of religion.
    I look forward to a parliamentary process that improves on the Dean Smith bill to implement same sex marriage with freedom of conscience for all, not just the churches.
    So far, this process has been a credit to us as a nation and now needs to be completed in a way that keeps us the best country in the world.

  141. JC

    You know, the world is really a poor sort of place in a relative sense.

    The world’s millionaires are expected to do the best in the coming years. There are now 36 million millionaires in the world and their numbers are expected to grow to 44 million by 2022.

    The U.S. still leads the world in millionaires, with 15.3 million people worth $1 million or more.

    Japan ranks second with 2.7 million millionaires, while the U.K. ranks third with 2.2 million. China ranks fifth with 1.9 million millionaires, but its millionaire population is expected to hit 2.8 million by 2022.

  142. jupes

    Don’t be surprised if a Muslim political party arises out of this.

    There was one started a couple of years ago. Haven’t heard of it since.

    Probably went too early.

  143. Roger

    Yea, but second preferences are all going to the Liars Party and Tony Burka.

    Burka accepting the preferences of homophobic Muslims!?

    The contortions he and others in similar positions will be forced to go through will be most entertaining.

  144. Tony Burka’s electorate almost 70% No.

    I’m sure that legislation supporting goat marriage will smooth things over.

  145. hzhousewife

    The “did not vote” numbers are intriguing. In my electorate only 3 out of 4 people bothered to vote.

  146. Roger

    You know, this is the first instance in our modern history of these two totalitarian ideologies which have hitherto been allied – Socialism & Sunni Islam – publicly diverging.

    The Muslim leadership tried to keep it under wraps during the campaign so as not to give succour to their historic enemies the Christians but the figures are now public.

    The ramifications could be profound for the ALP.

  147. Senile Old Guy

    Bolt doing the same thing as others:

    The huge yes vote to same-sex marriage announced today has set off a giant party. Once homosexuality was banned by law, but more than 7 million Australians have put their arms around gays to show we’re one family. But gays can party today because Australians proved they are everything Labor, the Greens and many journalists claimed they were not.

    60:40 is not huge. Polls before the vote were coming in at 65% to 75%, or higher.

  148. JC

    The ramifications could be profound for the ALP.

    Naaa money talks and builds lots of bridges 🙂

  149. Roger

    The “did not vote” numbers are intriguing. In my electorate only 3 out of 4 people bothered to vote.

    That’s actually a high response for a non-compulsory exercise, hz.

  150. Stimpson J. Cat

    F$ck it.
    Life’s too short.
    I refuse to let this defeat of decency turn me into the male equivalent of a bitter bald whining septic lesbian.
    I’ve mentally switched over thanks to cognitive dissonance and now I’m ecstatic and celebrating by listening to George Michael.

    Freedom.
    Freedom.
    Freedom.
    You’ve got to give for what you take.

  151. Roger

    60:40 is not huge.

    Nor is it “overwhelming”, as Maladroit claimed.

    Still, if they think they can redefine marriage they’ll redefine anything,

  152. hzhousewife

    That’s actually a high response for a non-compulsory exercise, hz.

    Yes, good point.

  153. Snoopy

    Won’t someone think of the LGBTI suicide counsellors? They’re going to be doing it real tough.

  154. Baldrick

    Still, if they think they can redefine marriage they’ll redefine anything,

    ‘Family’ will be the next to be redefined with the words mother and father verboten and replaced with Significant Care Giver of non-specific Gender.

  155. hzhousewife

    They’ll become divorce counselors soon enough.

  156. rickw

    Any doubts about Australia being a Left Wing shithole have been cleared up.

  157. Dr Faustus

    Tony Burka’s electorate almost 70% No.
    ALP denies them a voice in parliament.

    The ALP gets to bite both sides of the pillow.

    Turnbull has avoided forcing Shorten to take ‘100 Days to SSM‘ to the next election. Burka’s ‘No Voters’ know who is in Government, and who has enabled the redefinition of marriage.

    The ALP will not emphasise the SSM issue in Western Sydney. In the other urban electorates it will be wall to wall ‘look what we dragged the Government kicking and screaming into…’

  158. This clears the way for a postal survey for repealing the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
    Fix our power generation problems once and for all.

  159. Senile Old Guy

    What an appalling column from Bolt (pay-walled).

    Yes vote for same-sex marriage proves Australia isn’t a nation of bigots: Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun

    Anyone arguing against SSM is a bigot? BS.

    The massive yes vote to same-sex marriage announced today has set off a giant party in cities across the country.

    60:40 is not, by any stretch of the dictionary, “massive”. The Collins Dictionary gives us “something that is massive is very large in size, quantity, or extent” or “impressive or imposing in quality, degree, or scope”. 60% is not “very large” or “impressive”, especially given the estimates of support before the vote.

    Compared to polls before the vote, support for SSM dropped from 75% to 60%. Now that is a large drop: that’s down 20%.

    Once homosexuality was banned by law, but more than 7 million Australians voted yes and put their arms around gays and lesbians to show we’re one family.

    Even if I had voted “yes” it would not be to “show we’re one family” because that is patently absurd.

    That 61.6 “yes” vote breaks the back of any resistance to gay marriage. It ends the debate now.

    60:40 “breaks the back of any resistance”? Really? 4 out of 10 Australians voted against SSM: the margin is 20%. 10% change their minds and it is a different story.

    But know this: gays can party today because Australians proved yet again they are everything that Labor, the Greens and many journalists claimed they were not. They weren’t homophobic, hateful and apathetic.

    Voting for traditional marriage does not make someone homophobic or hateful. It is actually — spare me — divisive and offensive to make this statement.

  160. Do you Willy take this creature of non-specific gender to be your lawful wedded social companion, bearing in mind that you can discard this companion with a quick text while you are at the footy?

  161. It is obscene. Imo, the worst example to date was Elton John gushing that he and his ‘husband’ were trying for another baby.

    I watch a show over here that involves real estate agents selling million dollar properties. One of the subplots involves one of the homosexual agents using surrogates. Last week I heard him say ” We lost two babies to a miscarriage”, meaning he and his partner.

  162. lotocoti

    Stand by for the first bitter custody battles

    That started years ago.
    Unfortunately I’m a little too acquainted with a legal Götterdämmerung which began with the non-genetic contributor suing for custody and continued beyond the death of the genetic parental unit.

  163. Roger

    That 61.6 “yes” vote breaks the back of any resistance to gay marriage. It ends the debate now.

    Good Lord! Bolt is chanelling the Wong chap.

  164. So now Bernardi knows where 38% of the primary vote lives.
    Target them Cory!

  165. Ty Vickery retires! Can this day get any better??!?

  166. Baldrick

    Tony Burka’s electorate almost 70% No.
    ALP denies them a voice in parliament.

    12 electorates in Sydney voted No, 9 of them Labor.

  167. Chris

    The ALP gets to bite both sides of the pillow.

    Turnbull has avoided forcing Shorten to take ‘100 Days to SSM‘ to the next election. Burka’s ‘No Voters’ know who is in Government, and who has enabled the redefinition of marriage.

    The ALP will not emphasise the SSM issue in Western Sydney. In the other urban electorates it will be wall to wall ‘look what we dragged the Government kicking and screaming into…’

    Rest assured, if Trumble can waste a good thing Abbott did, he will. The advantage of getting 61% popular support for what the Government does will be frittered away when ABC demands the death penalty for speaking against gay culture, and Malcolm pleads them down to confiscation of assets and outlawry.

  168. Roger

    12 electorates in Sydney voted No, 9 of them Labor.

    Pass the popcorn.

  169. Stimpson J. Cat

    We are the same as those Goddamned Paddy’s.
    Let that sink in.

  170. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Once homosexuality was banned by law, but more than 7 million Australians voted yes and put their arms around gays and lesbians to show we’re one family.

    The illusion of permanence.

    With the right campaign we can not only make homosexuality illegal, we can make it an offence punishable by death.

    Progress is great! We just need a catchy slogan and some clout in the education department.

  171. Baldrick

    Dear Baldrick,

    The result of the marriage postal survey is in and nearly 40% of Australians voted NO to redefining marriage.

    A great many more Australians also have concerns about the consequences for our cherished freedoms, such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of conscience. Australian parents are worried about the LGBT agenda being proselytised through the abominable ‘safe schools’ program and parents being denied the right to have a say in what is being taught to our children.

    I am very proud of the NO campaign and the role the Australian Conservatives played in it. At all times our team was respectful, factual and courageous in the face of a well-resourced opposition.

    The fact that we made up so much ground during such a short voting period speaks volumes about the effectiveness of the campaign. Momentum is on our side and we now need to apply that skill, experience and expertise toward strengthening the conservative voice in coming elections.

    The conservative voice must be heard in every electorate across the country.

    It’s worth noting that Australian Conservatives was the only political party to openly support marriage as it always has been. That means we are the only truly credible, values-based conservative option for the millions of people who share our principles.

    Our task now is to ensure that we share the importance of standing true to those values within our parliament – and out there in the community. So, today’s result is just the beginning.

    Australian Conservatives will be striving to be an even stronger and more influential voice for common sense. We will continue to uphold the importance of stronger families, fostering free enterprise, limiting the reach of government and rebuilding civil society.

    Baldrick, it is more important than ever that our movement becomes the first choice for the millions of people concerned about the direction of our country.

    The battle to make our nation stronger, safer and even better has just begun. If you haven’t yet done so I hope you’ll join us for the campaigns ahead.

    Until next week,
    Cory Bernardi

  172. Chris

    We just need a catchy slogan and some clout in the education department.

    We’re fucked.

  173. Chris

    We are the same as those Goddamned Paddy’s.
    Let that sink in.

    We’re fucked.

  174. notafan

    With the right campaign we can not only make homosexuality illegal, we can make it an offence punishable by death.

    Labor will bring in 7 million muslims who will “Say No to Homo”

    You know they want to.

  175. Chris

    Actually this vote will mean nothing except two people getting married.

    They said. We can trust them, right?

  176. Viva

    Looks like comments are not being accepted for Bolt’s paen of praise for the ss”m” result. Wonder why.

  177. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Don’t be surprised if a Muslim political party arises out of this.

    They could call themselves the Greens.

  178. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    John Alexander should be heartened by the SSM vote in Bennelong, Raving Yesser Keneally not so much.

    Bennelong No: 42,943 49.8% Yes: 43,215 50.2% Did not vote 20,000 19%

    The inscrutable Chinese are still not convinced that cornholing is the same as marriage.

  179. Hydra

    How many water distributors (not retailers) do you think would be optimum? How many sewerage processing companies?

    The answer is ‘many’.

    We already have:

    – Many different firms capable of building pipelines to individual estates and buildings
    – Many different firms capable of constructing water distribution infrastructure
    – Many different firms capable of constructing dams
    – Many different firms capable of constructing alternative sources of water (e.g. desalination, treatment plants)

    Why is it not allowed for a company to come in and compete by building their own dam for the purposes of supplying water at commercial rates to people or firms who want it?

    And if it is allowed but not competitive to do so; why is that the case?

  180. Cannibal

    This clears the way for a postal survey for repealing the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
    Fix our power generation problems once and for all.

    Could it repeal gravity too? My feet are getting pretty tired of carrying me around today.

  181. We’re fucked.

    Thanks for that Chris!

    I feel much better now, I thought it was my hemorrhoids playing up.

  182. Hydra

    James Paterson’s bill has already been shot down in flames, funny about that.

    That’s because it was terrible.

  183. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Look at the participation rates by sex. As i have said previously, this is a largely female driven change.

    Co-opting the harridan class as their Trojan horses paid huge dividends for the homosexualists.

  184. Cannibal

    Ty Vickery retires! Can this day get any better??!?

    Yes, you could announce that you have reached a deal with Riccardo and you’ll be on the next plane to Malmo.

  185. Could it repeal gravity too?

    No problemo. Someone asked for the same on the other thread.

    Trumble can do it. He reckons that Australian law overrides the laws of mathematics, so why not the laws of physics?

  186. Anthony

    Homosexual marriage for a happy and holy Christmas. New PM for January.

  187. Baldrick

    Tony Burka’s electorate almost 70% No.

    Burke now in damage control-

    Tony Burke ✔ @Tony_Burke
    I went to the last election with a commitment to vote yes. That doesn’t change. My community knows that if they are treated with prejudice, vilified, or marginalised in any way I will stand up for them regardless of polls. The same applies to this issue.
    11.11am 15 Nov 2017

  188. Andreas

    Ty Vickery retires! Can this day get any better??!?

    Some conservative could be attacked? That would get you LOLing.

  189. Re: Tony Burkers
    Should we have a lotto on when the first test case of a gay couple demanding a muslim marriage will occur?

  190. Snoopy

    Several loud explosions echoed across central Harare in the early hours of Wednesday after troops deployed on the streets of the capital and reportedly seized the state broadcaster.

  191. Stimpson J. Cat

    Attention all Primary School Age Kid Parents.

    If there is one day you ask your kids
    “Did anything important happen at school today? “,

    Make it today.

  192. Mother Lode

    Any word on the various public institutions offering counselling for people who voted ‘No’?

  193. Chris

    The jacaranda flowers carpet the streets of Harare at this time of year.
    Hope there is no slaughter.

  194. Makka

    Burke now in damage control-

    Don’t worry. When the moslems go hard for their own “marriage equality” of 4 having wives, Burka will be shoulder to shoulder with them. They know it as well.

  195. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Re: Tony Burkers
    Should we have a lotto on when the first test case of a gay couple demanding a muslim marriage will occur

    As long as they are hurled off the roof of the mosque in a loving and co passionate fashion, and the appropriate prayers are said, it’s all good, surely?

  196. feelthebern

    Family Guy moves fast re Kevin Spacey.

  197. Snoopy

    Excellent trolling!

    Hon. Temba P. Mliswa‏
    @TembaMliswa
    Follow Follow @TembaMliswa
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    Zvinenge zvavakuda kutanga ka Chipanga zviya zvawadevedzera kuseni, chibuda me Youth brigade yako!

    Approximate translation: Here they are Chipanga. Where is your Youth brigade now?

    Chipanga is the leader of the ZanuPF Youth League and vowed that they would defend Mugabe. Mliswa is an independent MP.

  198. Sparkx

    incoherent rambler
    #2553855, posted on November 15, 2017 at 12:21 pm
    So now Bernardi knows where 38% of the primary vote lives.
    Target them Cory!

    Quite the Christmas gift for him. No?

  199. Boambee John

    memoryvault
    #2553538, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:19 am
    Every cloud has a silver lining. With a nearly 80% participation rate in a voluntary vote, now would be a good time to start a movement to end compulsory voting. Low participation rates in elections was the official reason for its introduction in the first place.

    Indeed. Make every post a winning post.

  200. Sparkx

    From the comments on Bolt’s blog –

    William 1 hour ago
    The biggest cheers are from the the HRC and lawyers chasing anti-discrimination cases!

  201. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ll mention this on the OT since it’s a lot of fun:

    Same-sex marriage must protect religious freedom: Newspoll (August)

    Asked if parliament should provide legal guarantees for freedom of conscience, belief and ­religion if same-sex marriage were legislated, 62 per cent of voters agreed, 18 per cent disagreed, and 20 per cent were uncommitted.

    How strange that 62% for SSM requires immediate action but 62% for freedom of conscience protection does not require any action at all.

  202. With a nearly 80% participation rate in a voluntary vote …

    Non compulsory 1st pp voting is a must.

    However, I don’t believe an 80% turnout. And yes I find the 60/40 vote believable.

  203. Sparkx

    And another –

    Eve 1 hour ago
    The ‘dark ayes” have it

  204. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2553602, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:43 am
    oldozzie pipped monty by .2

    This is one podium I am very happy to be on.

    Just think m0nty, in hardly any time your kids will be at school, and you will be helping them with their Safe Schools homework.

    “No dear, you don’t need to bind your breasts until they actually develop. Now son, with penis tucking it is important to leage the end free so you don’t wet yourself.”

  205. Mother Lode

    When the moslems go hard for their own “marriage equality” of 4 having wives

    Love Ownership is love ownership.

  206. Boambee John

    Joe at 1052

    The Chinese (and also Sikh or Hindu Indians) would certainly be preferable to Muslims.

    The hard question is whether Muslims are preferable to Progressives.

  207. Geriatric Mayfly

    Soldiers ‘take over Zimbabwe broadcaster’
    Soldiers stand beside military vehicles just outside Harare, Zimbabwe, November 14,2017
    Troops are reported to have taken over the radio and TV HQ in Harare in a growing political crisis.
    BBC

    Sunrise imminent in Harare. Looks like Bob & Grace will have difficulty ‘uniting’ the people with this propaganda arm now unavailable. There are folk down in Matabele Land who have long memories and will be watching with interest.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #2553978, posted on November 15, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    I’ll mention this on the OT since it’s a lot of fun:

    Same-sex marriage must protect religious freedom: Newspoll (August)

    Asked if parliament should provide legal guarantees for freedom of conscience, belief and ­religion if same-sex marriage were legislated, 62 per cent of voters agreed, 18 per cent disagreed, and 20 per cent were uncommitted.

    How strange that 62% for SSM requires immediate action but 62% for freedom of conscience protection does not require any action at all.

    Actually, BoN the arithmetic goes more like this.
    The SS”M” vote had about 20% non participants, with the remainder being split 61.6 ‘Yes’ and 38.4 ‘No’.
    If we apply the same logic to the “freedom of conscience” poll, similarly we have 20% “uncommitted” with 62% in favour of protection and 18% against. Therefore, using ABS logic of discarding the uncommitted, the % in favour of protection is 62/(62 + 18) = 77.5% and those against are calculated as 18/(62 + 18) = 22.5%.

  209. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just think m0nty, in hardly any time your kids will be at school, and you will be helping them with their Safe Schools homework.

    Poetic justice, indeed.

  210. Leigh Lowe

    Following the decision the other day for the courts to void a pre-nuptial agreement between a much older man and a younger mail-order bride, I can’t wait for the first such case involving an old gay man and an Asian toy-boy to go to court.

  211. Roger

    Sky commentator: “A profound social change” quoting Wong .

    The cultural revolution just changed up a gear , comrades.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    Top Ender

    #2553488, posted on November 15, 2017 at 10:04 am

    Betting so far for the SSM Vote Lotto, to be drawn Wed am

    And they’re off!
    The Cat narrowly predicts a No vote at present, with:

    Yes – 25 predictions
    No – 29 predictions
    Course, is probably wishful thinking.
    Delta A 97% Yes
    Bruce in WA 71% Yes
    Infidel Tiger 2.0 70/30 Yes/No
    Old School Conservative 70% YES
    Gilas 67% yes
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) 66% YES
    Senile Old Guy 65% Yes
    Leigh Lowe 60.4% Yes
    m0nty 61% yes

    André M Yes 60%.
    Snoopy 59% Yes
    Lotocoti 58% Yes
    Obio 57.75% Yes

    That proximity makes feel dirty.
    I need to have a kerosene bath.

  213. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Following the decision the other day for the courts to void a pre-nuptial agreement between a much older man and a younger mail-order bride, I can’t wait for the first such case involving an old gay man and an Asian toy-boy to go to court.

    Lawfare works both ways.

  214. notafan

    I can’t wait for the first such case involving an old gay man and an Asian toy-boy to go to court.

    I think we can also expect a lot more visa fraud from piece of paper for hire types to0.

    Just think how many more muslim cousins in chain migration schemes can now come to Australia.

  215. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Sky commentator: “A profound social change” quoting Wong .

    The cultural revolution just changed up a gear , comrades.

    We need the good senator from the LDP to start agitating for polygamy in the upcoming legislation.

    People need to know what’s coming.

  216. Hydra

    Actually, BoN the arithmetic goes more like this.
    The SS”M” vote had about 20% non participants, with the remainder being split 61.6 ‘Yes’ and 38.4 ‘No’.
    If we apply the same logic to the “freedom of conscience” poll, similarly we have 20% “uncommitted” with 62% in favour of protection and 18% against. Therefore, using ABS logic of discarding the uncommitted, the % in favour of protection is 62/(62 + 18) = 77.5% and those against are calculated as 18/(62 + 18) = 22.5%.

    ???

    What you’ve done there is allocate the uncommitted vote to the Yes camp, which is incorrect.

    Correct maths has the ‘Yes’ vote being 48% of eligible voters.

  217. hzhousewife

    Sky commentator: “A profound social change” quoting Wong .

    Yes, we’ll be just like Malaysia pretty soon, eh Penny?

  218. Roger

    Bob Menery loses his job (language NSFW).

    LOL.

    Some much needed comic relief.

  219. DrBeauGan

    Catholics should consider a tactical alliance with Muslims. Both believe in a God who created the universe, both believe Jesus was good and important. Both believe in family and modesty. On how many wives a man can have, they’ll just have to agree to disagree. Muslims think it’s OK to throw poofs off tall buildings, and Catholics generally don’t (except in the case of David Marr), but this could be negotiated. Maybe they could compromise on the height of the building. Likewise, dealing with loony zealots on your own side should be discussed, Catholic being much better and having a lot to offer.

    Muslims and Catholics have much more in common than Muslims and lefties. It only needs to be pointed out to Muslims.

  220. Roger

    Muslims and Catholics have much more in common than Muslims and lefties. It only needs to be pointed out to Muslims.

    And don’t mention the Crusades.

  221. Conservatives yesterday: Muslims are all evil terrorists and should all be deported to some rock in the middle of the ocean to starve to death.

    Conservatives today: Muslims are alright cos they also hate the same people we do, we should start a political movement with them.

  222. Gab

    SSM voters for weeks before today: this is a non-binding vote!

    SSM voters today: yaya! It’s now a binding vote.

  223. Chris

    Conservatives today: Muslims are alright cos they also hate the same people we do, we should start a political movement with them.

    We could certainly change a few procedures based on learning from Islam, such as those dealing with disagreement.

  224. Leigh Lowe

    What you’ve done there is allocate the uncommitted vote to the Yes camp, which is incorrect.

    Correct maths has the ‘Yes’ vote being 48% of eligible voters.

    That is looking at it the other way (ie making the ABS figures follow the Newspoll presentation method).
    That is, the ABS percentages using Newspoll method would have been (roughly), 20% did not vote, 49.3% Yes and 30.7% No.
    I simply applied the ABS methodology to the Newspoll figures (ie culling the “uncommitted/did not vote” and taking the relative percentages of those who voted/expressed a definite opinion.
    Either way, the poll of those wanting ‘conscience protection’ is higher than the Yes vote.

  225. candy

    Well it makes many people happy today and you can’t knock that.

    Strangely I think Cory B will be quite happy as he now can see his potential voters. If that is more multicultural and diverse that is all to the good.

  226. Sparkx

    Their ALPBC just cannot help themselves –
    SSM: How to talk about the same-sex marriage result with your kids
    Whichever side you’re on, try to use correct and respectful terminology and be nonjudgmental of the opposing view.

  227. Snoopy

    SSM: How to talk about the same-sex marriage result with your kids

    Got your hat? Got your bus pass? Don’t forget your lube!

  228. Leigh Lowe

    Following the decision the other day for the courts to void a pre-nuptial agreement between a much older man and a younger mail-order bride, I can’t wait for the first such case involving an old gay man and an Asian toy-boy to go to court.

    Lawfare works both ways.

    Ah, but I’ll bet it doesn’t.
    I will wager that the first such case will result in a very limited sum being paid to the toy-boy … perhaps a little bit above any pre-nup, but not much. He will be back in Thailand with not much more than a couple of grand in his pocket and a new tuk-tuk before you can say “I lub you long-time Mr Senator Smith.”
    And the MSM will bury it.

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