Open Forum: November 18, 2017

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  1. OneWorldGovernment

    BorisG
    #2558732, posted on November 20, 2017 at 1:38 am

    the junior constable would sit at one end of the shearing board, monitor the offender until 5.30 p.m., and yours truly would drive the long arm of the law, and the prisoner into town.

    If this was a suspected murderer, as you describe, then it was a risky strategy.

    BorisG

    Do you think the Polish people should be allowed to say anything about the EU?

  2. BorisG

    OWG, you seem tense.

    Indeed Cat seems to attract a disproportional number of, how-to-say, people who often go off balance.

    and today we don’t even have srr. as someone hilariously mentioned the other day, she is probably having her weekly nap.

  3. BorisG

    BorisG, Do you think the Polish people should be allowed to say anything about the EU?

    Sure. Why do you ask me by the way? I have no specific allegiance either to Poland or to EU as a whole.

  4. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2558739, posted on November 20, 2017 at 1:44 am

    Still weird, OWG.

    So OCO,

    Like I asked BorisG,

    Do you think Polish People should stick with the EU?

    As in the German EU!

  5. Oh come on

    That was me, but it was monthly, not weekly.

    Not entirely flippant, either. Some time last year, srr claimed that, as a child, he had been experimented on by Soviet medical scientists. One of the long term side effects was that he didn’t require much sleep.

    I get tetchy with srr at times. However, if this is true, it’s pretty awful.

  6. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2558739, posted on November 20, 2017 at 1:44 am

    Still weird, OWG.

    So how much are you paid by the greens?

  7. Oh come on

    You got me once more, OWG! I have always secretly thought the Poles should stick with the EU so they can be monstered all over again by the Germans, but you saw right through my duplicity! Well done, that man!

    And yes I am being paid handsomely by the Greens. In tofu. I have an iron deficiency. I wish they’d give me a steak once in a while. Damn hippies.

  8. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2558743, posted on November 20, 2017 at 1:52 am

    That was me, but it was monthly, not weekly.

    Not entirely flippant, either. Some time last year, srr claimed that, as a child, he had been experimented on by Soviet medical scientists. One of the long term side effects was that he didn’t require much sleep.

    I get tetchy with srr at times. However, if this is true, it’s pretty awful.

    OCO

    Believe it or not.

    I have actually been through some ‘places’ in Canberra, played snooker against and with some proper ADF type blokes, and I will tell you.

    You are full of shit.

  9. Oh come on

    Well, there you have it, folks. The ultimate authority. This guy has played snooker with and against some proper ADF type blokes in Canberra. I am literally on my knees in dumbstruck awe. Literally. Dumbstruck. On my knees.

    Fancy that. In Canberra!

  10. OneWorldGovernment

    BorisG
    #2558741, posted on November 20, 2017 at 1:47 am

    BorisG, Do you think the Polish people should be allowed to say anything about the EU?

    Sure. Why do you ask me by the way? I have no specific allegiance either to Poland or to EU as a whole.

    Just checking because I could get upset with the EU crap against Poland and Hungary.

  11. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2558750, posted on November 20, 2017 at 2:03 am

    Well, there you have it, folks. The ultimate authority. This guy has played snooker with and against some proper ADF type blokes in Canberra. I am literally on my knees in dumbstruck awe. Literally. Dumbstruck. On my knees.

    Fancy that. In Canberra!

    LOL

    Come in spinner.

  12. Oh come on

    Oh noes! You wouldn’t want to upset OWG, such an intimidating figure.

  13. Oh come on

    Laugh it up, Onesie. I’m off to bed for real this time.

  14. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2558754, posted on November 20, 2017 at 2:09 am

    Oh noes! You wouldn’t want to upset OWG, such an intimidating figure.

    lol

    nah. they all laugh at me.

  15. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2558755, posted on November 20, 2017 at 2:14 am

    Laugh it up, Onesie. I’m off to bed for real this time.

    You are like some of the blokes over here.

    Cheery oh.

    Hope you haven’t met the loaded dog!

  16. BorisG

    OCO I remember you said monthly. For some reason I thought it would be cooler to change it but I don’t quite recall the thought process.

    and btw how many times we should tell you that srr is she, not he?

  17. From dot’s link above:

    Women are predisposed by their genetics to have affairs as “back-up plans'” if their relationships fail, according to a research paper.

    Scientists at the University of Texas say they are challenging the assumption that humans have evolved to have monogamous relationships.

    The team’s research has put forward the “mate-switching-hypothesis” which says humans have evolved to keep testing their relationships and looking for better long-term options.

    This is so dumb I’m surprised people still fall for this rubbish. How can genetics ‘predispose’ people to have ‘back-up plans’? What constitutes ‘a relationship’ for the purposes of this study and what does ‘better in the long-term’ mean? And how does any of this contradict DrBeauGan’s straightforward hypothesis that sex is related to reproduction, that it is pleasurable so we would do more of it, that the pleasure produced therein would bind us more closely to the partner the more often it is done, and that this is necessary because raising a human child requires considerable investment given the long-led time required to get human offspring to full maturity? The study speculates that the fragility of human existence meant that partners hedged, but they don’t seem to have considered that the dangers present were faced by all, including the hedge partner. Further, in primitive societies, I very much doubt there was a pool of single men happy to wait in the wings for betrothed women to lose their partners so they could mate. The more you think about this study the stupider it appears.

  18. OneWorldGovernment

    Personally,

    I think we should attack and take over California.

    The Californian government is so useless that it would not take much for Australian Troops to capture it.

    We would probably have some Californian people to help us.

    LOL

  19. BorisG

    Just checking because I could get upset with the EU crap against Poland and Hungary.

    there was a Russian comedy where a guy felt unwell after a news broadcast. This comedy was even permissible in late soviet times 🙂

  20. OneWorldGovernment

    Hey OCO,

    I would fix up Chicago by putting barrels of loaded handguns on every street corner.

    And I would do the same in Kalgoorlie and Alice Springs.

  21. OneWorldGovernment

    BorisG
    #2558763, posted on November 20, 2017 at 2:59 am

    Just checking because I could get upset with the EU crap against Poland and Hungary.

    there was a Russian comedy where a guy felt unwell after a news broadcast. This comedy was even permissible in late soviet times 🙂

    Isn’t communism fantastic.

  22. notafan

    OCO

    Soviets?

    As best as I can tell that one was born in Australia.

  23. Tom

    WSJ latest:

    Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe Agrees to Resign–Sources

    Earlier story:

    HARARE, Zimbabwe—President Robert Mugabe was removed as leader of Zimbabwe’s ruling party and given a Monday deadline to resign as president, a dramatic step in the downfall of the world’s oldest head of state.

    Zimbabwe’s state broadcaster said Mr. Mugabe would address the nation Sunday evening. Several broadcast vans had lined up in front of Mr. Mugabe’s official residence, where he had been holding talks with generals and mediators all afternoon.

    In his place as party chief, ZANU-PF’s Central Committee on Sunday appointed Emmerson Mnangagwa, whose ouster as vice president just under two weeks ago prompted Tuesday’s military takeover of Zimbabwe’s government. The party also said Mr. Mnangagwa would be its candidate for the 2018 presidential election.

  24. Helen

    Possibly, MV, but this year is different. In previous years we would have travellers stay six months or more, and return in following years. This year it is 88 days and see ya later. For outside workers, (I wouldnt call them station hands ) they are just starting to become useful by then, we reckoned we recouped the cost of our training in the first three months in the following three, but no more.

    In an effort to lessen the training aspect, (and the breakdown cost probably fifty k this calendar year- couple of cooked engines and so forth) we tried to employ permanent staff, Aussies, but we have had two on WC, one who was gaming the system, one who Captain called ‘passion fingers’ because everything he touched he f$cked, one who walked out when we had a mob of cattle just yarded, and this one, alcho. To his credit, he stayed with the yard full of cattle, but he had alchohol problems as a kid, and twenty cans a night when you have to work heat the next day is not good, besides the obvious still under the influence the next morning when operating machinery. And Captain caught him and the bloke that walked out, drinking on the job.

    If he can kick the grog, he can stay, even though he cant seem to remeber to feed the calves or where the places are he is supposed to be at and has staked a couple of 500.00 tryres in the process of running around like a chook with its head cut off, as I believe there is a good person in there somewhere, But I am not too hopeful. In the bush you get to see quite a bit of it. Some manage it well, he is not, and he is lying with it, so there are alarm bells going off as to how he will manage unsupervised when he is working away from the house for several months in one months time?

    It has got to the stage where I wonder if it is worth it any more, I am 58 years old and my hard physical life is coming to an end. There will come a time when I simply cant do it any more. We did our yard of cattle – 1500 head with just three of us, made harder by the taps for the troughs not being turned on by our drinking workers, so the ‘tail’ of the mob which we always do first becasue they will have the weaker animals, also had a perish and it was touch and go if we killed any. We did not, it was just extra sauce for the stress. Anyway nearly time to rise and shine. I might go soak this chest in the steam of the shower for a bit.

  25. 132andBush

    Knights cartoon for Malcolm Young is pretty touching.

  26. Snoopy

    WSJ latest:

    Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe Agrees to Resign–Sources

    #Fake News

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sad to hear that Helen.
    I favour 457s and skilled immigration, mining has always been tough for the same reason.
    I did work with a couple of excellent Filipino chemists who were prepared to work at site. I wish we could get more people like them.

    Kick into touch the rorts like the 457s and student visas for hairdressers and get some real people prepared to work into this country.

    It’s a pity that Aussie kids won’t do these jobs, but after 12 years of green mush inculcated into them who can blame them.

  28. Tom

    Good luck with the help, Helen. It sounds horrendous — a workplace metaphor for the shit this country is in.

  29. Shy Ted

    Women are predisposed by their genetics to have affairs as “back-up plans’” if their relationships fail, according to a research paper.
    Who are these women and where can I meet them?

  30. Farmer Gez

    Keep it up Helen.
    Farming is a hard row to hoe. Frost wiped six hundred grand off the crops a few weeks ago.
    I come to Catallaxy for light relief.

  31. Tom

    So the blood-drenched old murderer is calling the military’s bluff. If they’re serious, they’re going to have to march him onto a plane out of Harare at gunpoint:

    HARARE, Zimbabwe — Robert Mugabe, 93, who ruled Zimbabwe with an iron grip until the military placed him under house arrest, stunned the nation on Sunday night with a speech in which he refused to say whether he would resign.

    Many political observers and fellow Zimbabweans had been waiting for Mr. Mugabe to step down as president after nearly 40 years in power. But sitting at a table while flanked by members of the military and other officials — including a priest — the embattled president spoke for 20 minutes and acknowledged problems in the nation.

    He also referred to himself as president and “commander in chief” — and declared he would preside over his party’s congress, scheduled to take place in a few weeks.

    “I will preside over its processes, which must not be prepossessed by any acts calculated to undermine it or to compromise the outcomes in the eyes of the public,” he said.

    But observers questioned how he could oversee the conference if he was no longer leader of the party. The address came hours after he was expelled as leader of his own governing party, ZANU-PF, which gave him until noon Monday to resign or face impeachment by Parliament.

    Party officials earlier on Sunday removed his wife, Grace Mugabe — widely viewed as his likely successor — as head of the ZANU-PF Women’s League and barred her from the party for life.

    It also appointed Emmerson Mnangagwa, the vice president previously fired by the president, as Mr. Mugabe’s successor to lead the party.

    The harsh rebuke by the central committee of Mr. Mugabe’s party came after emergency talks to address the political crisis. Under the Constitution, Mr. Mugabe remains president despite the party’s expulsion.

    Announcing the decision on Sunday, Patrick Chinamasa, the party’s secretary for legal affairs, said: Mr. Mugabe “hereby is recalled as first secretary and president of the ZANU-PF party. He is therefore asked to resign forthwith.

    “In the event that the resignation would not have been tendered by midday 20th of November, 2017, the ZANU-PF chief whip was ordered to issue proceedings for the removal of the president in terms of Section 97 of the Constitution of Zimbabwe Amendment Number 20.”

  32. notafan

    No wonder Clemmie is so cross.

    Salman Rushdie, Richard Dawkins and they couldn’t sell tickets?

    Maybe having Jane Caro, Peter Fitzsimons, Tracey Spicer and Clemmie as support arts was a bridge too far.


    From the 9th November

  33. Helen
    #2558788, posted on November 20, 2017 at 5:23 am

    Sorry to hear of your employment woes, but my comment was not aimed at your employees. It was a comment on the broader picture here in QLD. Pretty much all my son’s mates are doing it tough finding ongoing work at the moment. And things are getting worse, not better.

    Regarding your drunk – get rid of him. Knowing that he is an alcoholic, if you send him out into the wild to work unsupervised and he ends up dead, you will cop a bank-busting fine for failing in your duty of care to him. Worse, if he ends up permanently injured you will cop a fine AND get sued for everything you have made for the last twenty years.

    Just make sure you follow the three steps of dismissal.

    At 58 it is time to start considering alternative lifestyles. You only get one body, and if you break it, like I did, life is not so much fun.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    Has Mugabe blamed climate change for his ousting yet?

    World View: African Leaders Once Again Furious That They Won’t Get a Climate Change Bonanza

    African leaders were furious at last year’s climate change conference because Donald Trump had unexpectedly won the US presidential election and said that he would pull out of the climate change agreement. Even so, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged a rapid scale-up in funding for climate change programs, especially to support developing countries. “Finance and investment hold the key to achieving low-emissions and resilient societies,” he said.

    So now it is a year later, and there’s another climate change conference, and African leaders are furious again because there were plenty of promises made this week, but no commitments.

    Ah but don’t they love Moon music!

  35. min

    Up until more modern times long lasting marriages were not the norm. Women died in childbirth , men in war , plus deaths from illnesses that now medical science can cure. Evolution takes time to alter us so perhaps Mother Nature has made us to react to short term relationships because in the olden days , when you look at the tombstones , multiple marriages were not uncommon.

  36. OldOzzie

    Hillary Clinton is as Thick as a Brick or perhaps two Planks of Wood

    Hillary Brags That Bill Clinton ‘Didn’t Tweet About’ Challenges As President

    Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took a shot at President Donald Trump while speaking at a Clinton Foundation event on Saturday.

    While speaking about the peace process in Northern Ireland during her husband’s first term, Hillary bragged that Bill Clinton didn’t tweet about challenges facing his presidency.

    “He didn’t tweet about it, he got to work about it and he actually got it done,” she said to applause from the audience. Twitter was founded in 2006.

    The former first lady made the comment while speaking at an event commemorating the 25th anniversary of Bill’s victory in the 1992 presidential election.

    From The Comments

    …and Abe Lincoln didn’t go on TV to gloat about winning Gettysburg.

    but best one

    “Hillary Brags That Bill Clinton ‘Didn’t Tweet About’ Challenges As President“

    Are you kidding me? He couldn’t keep his little birdie in his pants!

  37. Snoopy

    Not only was Mugabe expelled as party leader, he was expelled from the party.

    The Zimbabwe military are playing a very clever game here. By allowing Mugabe to speak as president it supports their contention that there is no coup thus stymying the SADC and the African Union.

    At the same time, they put Mugabe’s rambling delusion on show for the Zimbabwean public.

    He’ll be constitutionall impeached denying the AU a pretext for sanctions. The Mugabes, the AU, SADC all blindsided.

    What is happening in Zimbabwe is putting the frighteners up some of Africa’s most beloved leaders.

  38. Baldrick

    … and today we don’t even have srr. as someone hilariously mentioned the other day, she is probably having her weekly nap.

    I tracked down srr on Twitter, she got smote.
    Despite some OTT rantings some of the articles she posted were interesting. She’s still posting them on Twitter – @srrohohyes

  39. calli

    Commiserations, Helen. I’ve had a few years where nothing you do with wokkas ever seems to work out. And you lose heaps of money in the process. Outright stealing, slackness, absenteeism in one case deliberate sabotage. And one of them was an abusive alcoholic. In the end I dropped from over 30 to just 3 and subcontracted the rest.

    That cough just won’t go away. I’ve had it for a fortnight now and still sound like typhoid mary. Chin up.

    “Passion Fingers” is a keeper and I’m sealing it. 😃

  40. calli

    Smote from the Cat? What on earth did she say?

    Off the air for a few days and I miss all the action. Rotten NBN.

  41. Farmer Gez

    You can’t win with women.
    I commented to the wife that Phil and Her Maj had celebrated seventy years of marriage but Phillip wasn’t faithful, alluding to my loyal self.
    Her reply was that any man who looked at another woman or porn was unfaithful in their minds.
    Lost again.

  42. calli

    Youse can peruse the menu, Gez, but be sure to order only one dish. And make sure it’s a good one.

    I don’t hold with Tasting Plates. It indicates a lack of resolve.

  43. Youse can peruse the menu, Gez, but be sure to order only one dish.

    As far as fidelity in marriage goes, Mrs MV and I have an arrangement that has worked out pretty well these past forty years. I won’t be unfaithful, and she won’t cut my testicles off while I’m asleep.

  44. Snoopy

    In Kenya the police are shooting demonstrators. In Zimbabwe the police are nowhere to be seen.

  45. Rev. Archibald

    Srr smote?
    Why the hell would you do that?
    She was great value.
    Banged on a bit but fantastic links that have changed the media I consume.
    Oh fantastic.
    We lose Srr and gain Dot.
    Faaaaaark.

  46. Mike of Marion

    Farmer Gez
    #2558836, posted on November 20, 2017 at 8:07 am

    Y’ got a doozy there FZ.

  47. Baldrick

    Smote from the Cat? What on earth did she say?

    Not for me to say calli. Ask his Doomlordship.

  48. Farmer Gez

    Y’ got a doozy there FZ.

    As with all male/female interactions there is a subtext that the male has completely missed.

  49. Electricity is fast becoming a luxury item, for the rich, only.

    Dan of the Dead and Jayboy have done more to advance the destruction of Australia than any other politicians.

    Can we find an appropriate award for them?

  50. Rabz

    I see a certain Fosters Light Ice (swilled straight from the can) enthusiast is back.

  51. notafan

    Those that miss srr can now follow on Twitter.

    Win win.

  52. Can we find an appropriate award for them?

    I’m guessing the electric chair is out of contention.

  53. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Can we find an appropriate award for them?

    circumcision from the neck up?

  54. Baldrick

    I see a certain Fosters Light Ice (swilled straight from the can) enthusiast is back.

    The same time as Dot. Now this is just getting weird.

  55. OneWorldGovernment

    incoherent rambler
    #2558846, posted on November 20, 2017 at 8:27 am

    Electricity is fast becoming a luxury item, for the rich, only.

    Dan of the Dead and Jayboy have done more to advance the destruction of Australia than any other politicians.

    Can we find an appropriate award for them?

    Grant them joint responsibility for the island Tasmania.

  56. John Constantine

    Trying to think of a hook so i can make a guest post out of this.

    What does it mean when a society loses the ability to mine bitcoins?.

    Their yarragrad and torrensgrad have progressed windmills and solar panels and diesel backup to the point where mining a bitcoin is no longer profitable.

    Does this make them post-industrial, or post-technical or pure services?.

    Poor fella my country, have to import solid electricity in the form of aluminium and ice-creams, and theoretical electricity in the form of bitcoins.

    Comrades.

  57. Rev. Archibald

    I hereby formally petition the Doomlord to return Srr to the open forum or even better immediately institute a seperate Srr thread.
    Who is with me?

  58. notafan

    The original charges very interesting, iirc the gentleman suggested that Mohammed would not accept the mistreatment of Black Muslims (from the former slave classes) by lighter skinned Muslims.
    Naturally the mob is still baying for his blood


    The Mauritanian gentleman condemned to death the blaster in 2014 has received a 2 year prison sentence instead

  59. Farmer Gez

    Dead Hand Dan has a problem with Greens.
    Not such a big thing in these parts as any Green who ventures an opinion is swiftly told they’re an idiot and STFU.
    It’s like disciplining naughty kids. If you let fools speak don’t be surprised if you attract idiots.

  60. rickw

    I hereby formally petition the Doomlord to return Srr to the open forum or even better immediately institute a seperate Srr thread.
    Who is with me?

    Yes! Srr banned with Munty still posting left wing boiler plate is a travesty.

  61. notafan

    Dan is doing a great job in Victoria.

    The only person I know who adores him is one brother of mine.

    The brother that is the classic Chardonnay socialist safe in his Bayside Whites only suburb.

  62. Bruce of Newcastle

    Only wussian nazis could possibly want tax cuts says the top Democrat in the USA.

    A Senate Majority PAC mailer with an enclosed letter from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer tied together the Kremlin and neo-Nazis with corporate tax cuts.

    No lie can be too big to be beyond belief nowadays.

  63. Tel

    I hereby formally petition the Doomlord to return Srr to the open forum or even better immediately institute a seperate Srr thread.

    If SRR could be convinced to produce a well organized newsletter, similar to Rafe’s Roundup, once a day in it’s own separate slot, that would be useful.

  64. Rev. Archibald

    That’s me and Rickw so far.
    Come on! Think of all the useless pricks who post here daily! There must be heaps more of youse who got something off Srr.
    Srr would let you post on her blog.

  65. Rev. Archibald

    Me.
    Rickw
    Tel.
    Three so far.
    That is more than the no one who would vote for Monty!

  66. struth

    Good moaning.

    On another thread about section 44 the wonderous dot and myself are having the usual constitutional battle.

    They are great for me as I see that the top end of town, bullshit meant to baffle brains excuses that dot trots out are obviously the ones the judas-ciary trots out to throw a smoke screen.

    Section 51 blah blah…………………….

    So any great minds out there please tell me when Britain became a foreign power?
    Since when has a subject of the queen not been eligible to sit in parliament?
    Who is our queen?
    Are we a constitutional monarchy?

    But the kicker is this………………

    If this is now the case, no alteration (because it would require a referendum) has ever been made to section 34 (I) and (ii).
    Now “until the parliament otherwise provides” of course means there may be extra provisions added, but it doesn’t mean they can cancel what stands in the constitution and so it still applies unless a successful referendum deletes the section.
    They still use the section as regards to age.

    The section 51 (xxxviii) section obviously states that if the states agree, the feds or even the parliament of Britain can make laws “of any power UNDER this constitution”.

    This of course has been taken by our power grabbing elite to be interpreted as hey, do what you like as long as the state pollies and the feds agree.
    This is why the Australia act is unconstitutional, as they never had the power to enact it, and why section 34 has not been deleted from the constitution.
    The constitution does not give them the power to do what they have done.

    I make the case that our constitution is the highest law of the land.

    If the Federal parliament, the states, the British parliament and the queen herself get together and decide to change things in our constitution they cannot do it.

    Without referendum they seem to have changed the very first and most important sentence in our constitution, describing our INDISSOLUBLE Federal Commonwealth UNDER THE CROWN OF THE UNITED KINGDOM of GREAT BRITAIN and Ireland and under the constitution hereby established:
    Oh what a mess we weave…………………………………….

  67. rickw

    Island Hopper today, Guam – Majuro, last row, gunna be a long one!

  68. rickw

    Btw: I agree with Tels suggestion, a well composed srr’s roundup would be very useful!

  69. struth

    I just put this on the OT because it seems the “dual citizen ” debarkle has now been successfully hushed up to the point where the criminals in our parliament think they have it under control.

    They quite rightly read the scenario.

    No one knows we have a constitution and we’ve kept the damage down to people now knowing pollies can’t be dual citizens according to some rule book for them.

    Gone rather quiet has it not?

  70. A Lurker

    I hereby formally petition the Doomlord to return Srr to the open forum or even better immediately institute a seperate Srr thread.
    Who is with me?

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
    Count me in.

  71. Now “until the parliament otherwise provides” of course means there may be extra provisions added, but it doesn’t mean they can cancel what stands in the constitution and so it still applies unless a successful referendum deletes the section.

    Sorry to rain on your parade, Struth, but the “Common Informers (Parliamentary Disqualifications) Act, 1975”, effectively neuters S46 of the Constitution and makes it meaningless and impossible to pursue. Without S46, getting caught out contravening S44 is just a minor nuisance.

  72. Geriatric Mayfly

    There’s no going back with Mugabe now. If ‘normalcy’ was restored, there would be mysterious car accidents a plenty involving his current persecutors, the reception committees at Zim prisons would be in overdrive and other enemies of the State would be fleeing the place with his goons in hot pursuit.

  73. Rev. Archibald

    Me.
    Rickw
    Tel.
    A lurker.
    And then there were four.

  74. notafan

    I’m at a loss really as to why Dan Andrews lost Northcote, policy wise what is the difference?


    This is the what but the why?

  75. notafan

    Arky you aren’t counting the no votes.

    The cat, fortunately, is not a democracy.

    Perhaps if you knew the reasons for the smoting you would pull your head in.

    There are certain things people should not have the right to say.

    I’m sure you could think of some examples.

    By the way I am not privy to the smoting details.

  76. C.L.

    Nudge nudge, wink wink: Bill Shorten gives Frances Abbott a marriage tip

    Bill Shorten has congratulated Tony Abbott’s daughter Frances on her whirlwind engagement to Olympic rower Sam Loch, jokingly suggesting that she should get government frontbencher Christopher Pyne to arrange the wedding and Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese to DJ.

    The former prime minister’s 26-year-old middle daughter announced her engagement on Instagram yesterday, revealing that she had agreed to marry 34-year-old Mr Loch just a fortnight after meeting him.

    “First of all congratulations to Frances and in particular, her fellow. He sounds like a very lucky fellow,” Mr Shorten told the Nine Network this morning.

    “A couple of bits of life coaching: One, if you are going to have the wedding, get Albo to be the DJ and maybe get Pyney to help with the arrangements.”

  77. cynical1

    SRR may be verbose.

    But the gems are found in there.

    Check who had the Spacey story before just about anyone.

    That disgusting Dahmer fellow from Newcastle behaved far worse and got
    more leeway.

  78. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Some limits to linking rights might have solved the problem of srr’s overload. Perhaps Sinc is acting in the best interests of her general health right now, and she’ll be back sometime with a less intensive barrage.
    —————-
    Helen, sorry to hear of your problems with workers. The warning above about the worker with alcohol problems is worth taking note of. Help him in other ways rather than as an employee. Can you take some time off yourself? Call in a manager for a while? Advertise more widely for workers who can be effective? Maybe up the pay levels to attract some better applicants? It might all be money well spent if you come out of it surviving with your health intact and planning your future ahead rather than having it determined by you falling ill with the stress of it all.

    Passion fingers. LOL.

    Calli – I have a neighbour who has just turned sixty and she couldn’t throw off a bad cough either. She had an attack of ‘flu this year as she’s never had it before. Laid her up for a month, three lots of antibiotics for the secondary infection and she still looks worn out. I’ve suggested she comes health walking with me but she says she couldn’t keep up my pace, which is probably true now that I’m hitting my stride.
    It’s been a bad year for ‘flu and urti’s. Take care.

  79. Allergy

    Add me to your list Rev. A.

  80. calli

    Smitings are very rare here. I don’t like them but it’s usually for a very good reason.

    Threatening other posters, actionable posts, persistent linking to dubious sites (and by dubious I don’t mean stuff you disagree with). I don’t think anyone has ever been smoted for manic thread bombing or overuse of emoticons.

    Doomlord usually gives warnings and loads of slack. Must have been ignored, and that’s a free choice too.

  81. struth

    Sorry to rain on your parade, Struth, but the “Common Informers (Parliamentary Disqualifications) Act, 1975”, effectively neuters S46 of the Constitution and makes it meaningless and impossible to pursue. Without S46, getting caught out contravening S44 is just a minor nuisance.

    Yes, I get that, but that is not the point I am making.

    I am talking about who can legally (constitutionally) enact something like the Australia act when it so blatantly puts us in another country from the one formed via the first sentence of the Constitution without even a referendum.
    They quote 51 (xxxviii) as to where they gain that power from and it obviously, by any truthful reading does not give it to them.

    That’s why we have this recent dual citizen fiasco.

    A handful of pollies in Australia and a disinterested British parliament decided we were going to become another country.
    One with a different coat of arms, a U.N. registered business, really.
    A constitutional Monarchy without a monarch.

    Section 51 did not and does not give any of them that power.

    Now I am just a common man.
    But who else would be concerned?
    The elite, Judas-iary , the pollies, a Law student?

    It has to be a commoner to make the point.
    No one in the club above is.

    Anyway, the point is made.

  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If SRR could be convinced to produce a well organized newsletter, similar to Rafe’s Roundup, once a day in it’s own separate slot, that would be useful.

    Maybe she will come back with a more limited and condensed offering or set of offerings regularly on the OT. I’d support a return with this sort of proviso. I don’t think people should be diverted off the OT. srr has been a valuable contributor, but was often excessive and obsessive, especially in the past few weeks.

    Sinc has his reasons and it’s his blog.

  83. struth

    Has Srr been banned?

    Oh dear.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    There’s no going back with Mugabe now. If ‘normalcy’ was restored, there would be mysterious car accidents a plenty involving his current persecutors, the reception committees at Zim prisons would be in overdrive

    Which is why if I was in Zim I’d not be seen demonstrating in the streets.
    The guy attempting to replace Mugabe is known as the Butcher of Matabeleland.

  85. Rev. Archibald

    Me.
    Rickw
    Tel.
    Cynical
    Allergy

  86. Dr Faustus

    Sabra Lane, on ABC AM, confidently tells us that Robert Mugabe was “revered for his leadership of the military struggle against the occupying British“.

    FactCheck: False.
    British colonial control of Rhodesia ended in 1965 with Ian Smith’s UDI – Mugabe was in prison at the time for sedition. After his release in 1974, he rose through the ranks of ZANU, safely based in Mozambique, heroically directing terrorist attacks on white farmers and their families.

    A Ceaușescu ending would be welcome all round.

  87. Gab

    Just follow her on twitter, for all those of you who miss srr’s incessant ramblings and postings.

  88. No wonder Clemmie is so cross.

    Salman Rushdie, Richard Dawkins and they couldn’t sell tickets?

    Maybe having Jane Caro, Peter Fitzsimons, Tracey Spicer and Clemmie as support arts was a bridge too far.

    It gets better and better.

  89. Tom

    I’m at a loss really as to why Dan Andrews lost Northcote, policy wise what is the difference?

    Simple. There is no difference policywise, but the Filth are more fashionable than the Liars with the public service parasite demographic.

  90. .

    They quote 51 (xxxviii) as to where they gain that power from and it obviously, by any truthful reading does not give it to them.

    Sure it does.

    (xxxviii) the exercise within the Commonwealth, at the request or with the concurrence of the Parliaments of all the States directly concerned, of any power which can at the establishment of this Constitution be exercised only by the Parliament of the United Kingdom or by the Federal Council of Australasia;

    That is plain and unambiguous.

    The section 51 (xxxviii) section obviously states that if the states agree, the feds or even the parliament of Britain can make laws “of any power UNDER this constitution”.

    No it doesn’t. You have conflated subsection 38 with subsections 36 and 39 of section 51.

    struth I wish you were right but you are not. Please re-read subsection 38. You have misquoted it and garbled it with other subsections. Your conclusion is incorrect.

    You brought up a good reason why s 51 (xxxviii) ought to be repealed by the exercise of s 128 or by s 51 (xxxviii) itself.

  91. Viva

    I liked srr’s links. The harangues not so much. But if you have one, you are lumbered with t’other.

  92. Joe

    I’ll be in for getting srr comments back. Hell, give them posting privileges, can’t be any worse than some of the drivel spartacus writes.

  93. Eyrie

    Who does Twitter. Only fools and morons. Likewise Fakebook. These things should not be encouraged.

  94. JC

    F

    armer Gez
    #2558807, posted on November 20, 2017 at 7:27 am

    Keep it up Helen.
    Farming is a hard row to hoe. Frost wiped six hundred grand off the crops a few weeks ago.
    I come to Catallaxy for light relief.

    Really sorry to hear that Gez. It must really hurt mentally.. working all that time and weather takes your money away.

    Chin up.

  95. Indolent

    If I could add my voice in SRR’s favour, please let him back. He’s possibly the most diligent contributor and you can always scroll past anything uninteresting or a scrap between users. I do that for everyone anyway.

  96. Leigh Lowe

    I’ll be in for getting srr comments back. Hell, give them posting privileges, can’t be any worse than some of the drivel spartacus writes.

    … or Lucius Trumpius Obsessium.

  97. Rossini

    Rev. Archibald
    #2558862, posted on November 20, 2017 at 8:48 am
    I am!

  98. Gilas

    Who is with me?

    I am.
    Even if only 10% of his/her posts are relevant, it’s a good harvest.
    And don’t get me started on Montz.

  99. Sparkx

    Eyrie
    #2558964, posted on November 20, 2017 at 10:04 am
    Who does Twitter. Only fools and morons. Likewise Fakebook. These things should not be encouraged.

    I don’t know anything about spacechook, but Twatter is a great platform to line up the fools and morons and then start firing. Great fun.

  100. Ragu

    Anyway, the point is made.

    You are off the handle, Struth.

    The constitution also sez that anybody can write to the Monarch appealing to her majesty herself to repeal a law of The Commonwealth of Australia.

    It’s all there. Give it a go.

  101. Littledozer

    Gonna be a bit boring without srr for us lurkers

  102. Jessie

    The Australian @ 1013am

    A tsunami alert has been issued after a powerful 7.3 magnitude earthquake struck off the eastern coast of New Caledonia this morning.
    According to the US Geological Survey, the tremor hit at a depth 25 kilometres, some 85 kilometres to the east of the lightly populated Loyalty Islands.
    The alert was issued for New Caledonia and Vanuatu, with tsunami waves possible within 300km of the quake’s epicentre.

    TSUNAMI MESSAGE NUMBER 5
    NWS PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER EWA BEACH HI
    0006 UTC MON NOV 20 2017
    EVALUATION
    ———-
    * AN EARTHQUAKE WITH A PRELIMINARY MAGNITUDE OF 7.0 OCCURRED IN
    THE LOYALTY ISLANDS AT 2244 UTC ON SUNDAY NOVEMBER 19 2017.
    * BASED ON ALL AVAILABLE DATA… THE TSUNAMI THREAT FROM THIS
    EARTHQUAKE HAS NOW PASSED.
    TSUNAMI THREAT FORECAST…UPDATED
    ———————————
    * THE TSUNAMI THREAT HAS NOW LARGELY PASSED.

    Source: http://ptwc.weather.gov/ptwc/text.php?id=pacific.TSUPAC.2017.11.20.0007

    then of course The [email protected] (not so obviously found)

    blahblahblah
    The Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre said in a statement that a destructive Pacific-wide tsunami was not expected and there was no tsunami threat to Hawaii.

  103. Arky;

    Reference srr return petition.

    As much as the lunacy is annoying, there were some valuable links amongst the trash.
    A seperate newsletter is a good idea.
    With a one subject a day limitation.
    On probation.

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