Open Forum: November 25, 2017

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  1. DrBeauGan

    Arky, if we never hear from you again we’ll know the spook got you. I shall expect the newspapers to tell us that a maths teacher was found stark dead in bed with an expression of horror on his face.

    If not I shall be very disappointed.

  2. DrBeauGan

    And you can’t spell poltergeist either. No wonder it doesn’t like you.

  3. Mark A

    Fat Tony
    #2567342, posted on November 27, 2017 at 12:40 am
    I don’t know whether your bullshitting or not, but some houses have creatures such as you describe.

    Not sure about houses, but I’m certain about places. Many years ago traveling around Australia with mates and wives/girlfriends we stopped for the night on the road from Alice to Kathrine. At about 1 AM we all woke up as one and just packed up and drove off in sheer panic. When next day we stopped at a roadhouse and mentioned this to the attendant, he told us, that it happened to others but he didn’t know the reason, not being local. It was an otherwise nice spot nothing to make you think about spooks.

    I’d like to think I’m a practical man, have to be in my profession, but I do believe there are strange unexplained happenings beyond our ken.

  4. The usual regime for acute decompensation with agitation is the Midaz/Acuphase mix. I think a kick up the arse and being told to stfu is more in order.

  5. C.L.

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    15h15 hours ago

    Wow, even I didn’t realize we did so much. Wish the Fake News would report! Thank you.

    Replying to @realDonaldTrump @FoxNews
    THE President Donald Trump Accomplishment List Website

  6. BorisG

    Wow, even I didn’t realize we did so much.

    Looks impressive. But this is from a Trump fan site. It would be nice to see an objective analysis. Not from right or left but dispassionate. Such an analysis will include both successes and failures.

    For instance executive orders on health care. I was in the US when these were issued and I witnessed heated debates among friends. It is fair to say the jury on the wisdom of these and their long term effects is still out.

    I also see some conspicuous omission like throwing the Kurds in Iraq and Syria under the bus, now that their helo in fighting ISIS is no longer needed.

  7. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2567356, posted on November 27, 2017 at 2:05 am

    Wow, even I didn’t realize we did so much.

    Looks impressive. But this is from a Trump fan site. It would be nice to see an objective analysis. Not from right or left but dispassionate. Such an analysis will include both successes and failures.
    ————————–
    What is stopping you from listing?
    ————————————-

    For instance executive orders on health care. I was in the US when these were issued and I witnessed heated debates among friends. It is fair to say the jury on the wisdom of these and their long term effects is still out.
    ——————————–

    If it’s still out can’t you wait until it’s in? (Not to mention I can imagine the opinions your friends have.)
    ———————————-
    I also see some conspicuous omission like throwing the Kurds in Iraq and Syria under the bus, now that their helo in fighting ISIS is no longer needed.
    ———————-
    Whenever were the Kurds considered under any president in a “as useful long term allies way”
    Never! They are communist troublemakers for everyone in the region from Turkey to Iraq and Iran.

  8. Mark A

    I thought Steve singling you out was a mistake, but you just keep proving him right every time you post.

  9. Knuckle Dragger

    SATP at 12.31 am;

    It’s a question of intent, and of attitude in your chosen field of endeavour.

    Back in the glory days whilst working the van, and later doing certain other roles, I viewed the concept of bad guys doing bad guy things in my patch as a personal affront to what I considered a holy mandate to keep the ne’er do wells away from normal people. There are many ways to skin a cat, and I made sure that if at all possible these people would be locked up (you’d be surprised how clumsy people can be when they don’t want to be arrested) and on eventual release persuaded that their future lay in areas other than the one I was responsible for.

    Constant visits to their houses between other jobs (‘welfare checks’), could and would be followed by like visits to the crook’s family and friends to ensure he or she wasn’t still pursuing villainy as a career.

    And I made damn sure every single one of these parasites knew my name, and why I was in their face. I was a big fan of the old adage, ‘If you make me run, I’m bringing an arse kicking with me.’

    There are still some young coppers around with the same values, but they’re more constrained now than ever before by policy and procedure imposed on them by other higher ups. That, and they’re probably weighed down by all the pride pins they seem to be wearing now.

    Two ladies in the one van was almost unheard of, for obvious reasons. Working in one of the bigger inner suburban stations, on occasions we had three van crews on a night shift (sounds like plenty, but when your patch is almost 400,000 people…..). If two ladies were on a van, the other two crews would flip a coin. The loser would take on the majority of the jobs for the shift, and the winner would discreetly shadow the girls’ van without their knowledge, and would wait a block away from where they were in case they needed urgent backup. Which was at least once on most shifts. I know it’s not PC, and yes I know lady cops have certain skills that make them valuable – but it’s generally not jumping four or five fences after a crook and then getting into a fight at the end.

    Anyway, it’s about taking things personally. That’s why good bush coppers are worth their weight in gold.

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    Disclaimer: I am not, and have never been, nor will I ever be a traffic cop. They’re a completely different breed – think Shih Tzu as opposed to Bull Arab.

    At the moment I average one ticket every eight years. Once early on, I was dragged into the boss’ office where I was told that I was catching too many crooks (no such thing) and needed to write more tickets.

    This instruction was duly ignored. Never heard anything more about it.

  11. Fisky

    Oh dear, I see Nancy Pelosi is doubling down on serial abuser Conyers. Vote Moore!

  12. BorisG

    Never! They are communist troublemakers for everyone in the region from Turkey to Iraq and Iran.

    Mark, the US is a global power and needs allies. In the Middle East, apart from tiny nation of Israel, the Kurds are the only sane force against Sunni and Shea Islamists, which are the number one threat to the Western civilisation.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451758/kurdish-independence-referendum-trump-administration-shouldnt-betray-key-ally-against

  13. BorisG

    I thought Steve singling you out was a mistake, but you just keep proving him right every time you post.

    oh oh help me, I am so deeply troubled by your rejection…

  14. BorisG

    but it’s generally not jumping four or five fences after a crook and then getting into a fight at the end.

    but why put two females in one van in the first place?

  15. Knuckle Dragger

    Boris,

    Equalidy…….

  16. BorisG

    Equalidy…….

    oh well… I thought common sense still prevails in frontline duties…

  17. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2567367, posted on November 27, 2017 at 3:36 am

    I thought Steve singling you out was a mistake, but you just keep proving him right every time you post.

    oh oh help me, I am so deeply troubled by your rejection…

    —————-
    Maaaate I couldn’t give the proverbial about you let alone reject you, just posting a response to your obviously left wing posts, is all.

  18. BorisG

    just posting a response to your obviously left wing posts, is all.

    Not sure it is left or right, but the Kurds are US’s only Muslim world’s reliable allies and counterweight to Islamist extremism.

    As far as the ME policy, Trump is largely continuing Obama’s policies, and it is time to change the course, and show both Erdogan and Ayatollahs who is in charge.

  19. A Lurker

    Reproduced in full, an article from today’s Australian newspaper (via a post on Facebook – sorry, no hotlink as I don’t have a sub to the newspaper):

    The paragraph I’d like to especially call your attention to is the one that I have bolded. Now I have been across the whole SSM thing for months and not once do I recollect reading Senator Smith’s Bill. I wasn’t the only one not privy to the Bill. All of the people who spoke about the issue in the Facebook groups that I am a member of, likewise had no idea what the Bill comprised. The Bill wasn’t in the papers. It wasn’t added as an addendum to the survey question. In fact, the common understanding was that the Bill would be sorted out only ‘if’ the survey came back with a majority Yes response.

    So Smith is being very loose with the truth if not outright lying.
    Here’s a heads up to Smith (and the others in the Turnbull Coalition Team) – if your Bill has majority support from Labor AND the Greens, then you are doing something terribly wrong!

    Libs in yes vote ‘betrayal’
    Simon Benson The Australian November 27, 2017
    Three Turnbull government ­assistant ministers have accused moderate colleagues of betraying Coalition voters over the same-sex marriage plebiscite by trading away promised protections for a deal with the Greens and Labor.
    With the internal feud in the Coalition escalating over senator Dean Smith’s same-sex marriage bill, conservative MPs last night held a phone hook-up to sign off on protection amendments for parental rights and anti-detriment laws which would be introduced as early as tomorrow.
    Senator Smith’s bill will likely pass the Senate this week. In a final bid to convince Senate colleagues not to support the Smith bill without additional protections, Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister on Cities, Angus Taylor, joined a chorus of conservative MPs and senators warning that a promise was made to Coalition voters that free speech and religious protections would be guaranteed.
    “Dean Smith, Tim Wilson and others have argued that this change is best done by a Coalition government, because we can be relied on to protect freedoms,” Mr Taylor told The Australian.
    “It’s now the job of Coalition members to live up to that promise. I for one will support protections for free speech, parental choice for their kids’ education and freedom of religion. I hope others will do the same.”
    Assistant Minister for Social Services and Multicultural Affairs Zed Seselja said that fellow senators who voted with Labor and the Greens in favour of the Smith bill as it stood would be betraying ­Coalition voters who were assured that a Yes vote under the Coalition would ensure adequate protections.
    “A failure to support substantial amendments to the Smith bill will be a betrayal of Coalition Yes and No voters,” Senator Seselja said.
    “Dean Smith and Tim Wilson and others assured Coalition voters that getting same sex-marriage with a Coalition government would deliver much stronger protections, yet the Smith bill has been embraced by the Greens.
    “We owe it to our supporters who voted both Yes and No to ­ensure that we deliver much stronger protections than a Green/Labor bill would.”
    Senator Smith last night ­responded to his conservative colleagues, saying his bill was well publicised before the postal survey commenced and the overwhelming Yes vote suggested people were comfortable with it.
    “An equally valid interpretation of the result is to conclude Yes voters were not only ready to embrace marriage equality but are also satisfied protections for ­religious views in Australia’s legal architecture are already sufficient,” Senator Smith said.
    “For months the opponents of marriage equality have argued the case for broader religious freedoms but have failed to substantiate their claims with clear evidence existing religious freedoms in Australia’s various laws are insufficient.
    “A more constructive approach would be to embrace the expert panel review as the best mechanism for a comprehensive and calm discussion of freedom of religion in Australia.
    “It is worth pondering, if the ­result was 61.6 per cent No and 38.4 Yes how the No campaign would be seeking to accommodate the views of those voters who voted Yes.”
    But prominent campaigner for religious protections, Assistant Treasurer Michael Sukkar, said that Greens and Labor support for the bill should be “terribly concerning” for the Liberal Party.
    “While a majority of Coalition supporters voted No, those who did vote Yes were reassured by ­Coalition Yes campaigners who promised wide-ranging protections,” Mr Sukkar said.
    “Coalition Yes campaigners also claimed that it was more desirable for a Coalition government to legalise same-sex marriage, as freedom of speech, conscience and religion would be more greatly protected than a Labor government in the future would provide.
    “That the Greens are on a unity ticket with Senator Smith on this bill is all the evidence we need to know that this bill is deeply flawed and the antithesis to Liberal values. Sadly, the Smith bill doesn’t provide any further protections than the Labor Party, who have also embraced this bill.”
    Scott Morrison, the most senior cabinet minister opposed to the Smith bill, told The Australian that it would be Labor MPs who were at risk of betraying their voters if they did not support amendments.
    “I want a bill that represents 100 per cent of Australians, not just 61 per cent, which means supporting religious freedoms that are not currently contained in the bill,” the Treasurer said.
    “There are plenty of Liberals who are speaking out in favour of protections but Labor has been deathly silent on freedoms, despite the fact that of the top 10 seats that voted against the change to the Marriage Act, nine were in Labor electorates. Labor’s leader of ­opposition business, whose seat is one of those, has been uncharacteristically shy.”
    Liberal WA MP and member for Canning Andrew Hastie, an outspoken campaigner for a No vote, accused Senator Smith and others of entering into a “Faustian pact with the Greens and Labor to see the passage of the Smith bill”.
    “The question is: what was given up by our side to earn the blessing of Labor and the Greens?” Mr Hastie said. “If Coalition amendments to protect freedom of conscience, religion and parental rights fail this week in the Senate, it will be clear that they have traded away commitments to ­Coalition supporters.”

  20. Tom

    Dave Brown (Independent, UK) on Zimbabwe’s new leader.

  21. None

    Homosexuals are over represented in our parliament and they are overly present in the Liberal party. I warned and warned for years about the gaystapo and I also warned about Tim Wilson. Anyone who doubted e should have been convinced the minute he jumped ship for the AHRC that he had no principles. And since then Brandis own staff have let on a few tidbits about Brandis’ own duplicity. All parliamentarians of principle should vote no to any ssm bill – this was a non binding postal survey and it is already out of date because the same group of Australians as participated no longer exists. Some have died, others have entered the cohort and there is no guarantee, zilch that ssm won’t be repealed in future. Slovenia as done it, for example.

  22. A Lurker

    Meanwhile, in Canada

    Yet while they shout from one side of their mouth that everyone — including non-citizens — should be allowed to vote in our elections, out of the other side of their mouths they are grumbling about how the elderly no longer deserve the right to vote, since they don’t vote progressive enough.
    The topic was raised in July by Canadian outlet Maclean’s, with author Daniel Munro considering various arguments as to why the elderly should have their voting rights revoked at some point, such as around 70-years-old.
    “The idea is that once citizens reach a certain age, they will be less concerned with our social, political, and economic future than younger generations and much less likely to bear the long-term consequences of political decisions and policies,” Munro wrote. “In that case, their votes ought to be discounted, or eliminated altogether, to ensure that the future is shaped by those who have a real stake in how it turns out.”
    Munro cited polls showing older citizens care to a slightly lesser extent than younger generations about issues such as education, the environment, gay rights and other things that progressives hold dear, and focus too much on things like health care and lower taxes at the expense of debt in the future.

    —-
    Next they’ll be wanting to kill off the oldies – oh wait.

  23. BorisG

    just posting a response to your obviously left wing posts, is all.

    How does it help if it left or right? Seems like you don’t have an argument besides labels.

  24. BorisG

    Yet while they shout from one side of their mouth that everyone — including non-citizens — should be allowed to vote in our elections, out of the other side of their mouths they are grumbling about how the elderly no longer deserve the right to vote, since they don’t vote progressive enough.

    Tell me it was a joke, wasn’t it?

  25. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2567400, posted on November 27, 2017 at 4:44 am

    just posting a response to your obviously left wing posts, is all.

    How does it help if it left or right? Seems like you don’t have an argument besides labels.

    Pointing out your bias, is labels now?
    Besides, what was I supposed to argue with you about, in response to you last post I responded to?

    “BorisG
    #2567400, posted on November 27, 2017 at 4:44 am

    just posting a response to your obviously left wing posts, is all.

    How does it help if it left or right? Seems like you don’t have an argument besides labels.

  26. Tintarella di Luna

    I see the Weinsteinitis has hit Australia courtesy of that great investigative churnalist Tracey Spicer, the poser girl for splenetic irrrelvance: Headline: Tracey Spicer’s sexual misconduct file imminent

    Tracey Spicer’s long-promised revelations about sexual misconduct in Australia’s media industry could be published this week following legal issues.

    It is understood Spicer has gathered 485 complaints about 65 separate alleged offenders. Accusations range from verbal harassment to criminal indecent assault.

    The outspoken journalist, who this year detailed her own experience of working in the “boys’ club” of commercial television in a tell-all memoir, had yet to put a single allegation against a living person on the record as of last week. On Friday, she confirmed the project had been ­delayed by “legal issues” although she is said to be close to publication. She has teamed up with Fairfax Media.

    Spicer’s investigation is said to include men currently employed in senior roles in Australia’s television, radio and print media, some of whom have been the subject of human resources complaints, and the industry is abuzz with talk of who might be implicated. “These are serial predators who’ve been enabled by their workplaces,” Spicer said. The nation’s strict defamation laws have proved a stumbling block for the journalist, who last month vowed to “name and shame” sexual predators in the wake of the cascade of accusations that swept Hollywood following the Harvey Weinstein scandal.

    The fallout in the US continues — with CBS firing veteran broadcast journalist Charlie Rose on Wednesday after reports of ­“extremely disturbing and intolerable” alleged harassment on set — but in Australia the dominoes are yet to fall.

    Defamation barrister Matthew Collins QC said Australia had the toughest defamation laws of the English-speaking world, making a Weinstein-style deluge of accusations a risky proposition.

    Former Hey Dad! child actress Sarah Monahan joined the fray on Saturday, warning that “household names” — including Logie Award winners and television hosts — would soon be named as sexual offenders. Monahan is a survivor of childhood abuse at the hands of the actor who played her father on Hey Dad!, Robert ­Hughes. She told TheDaily Telegraph: “The casting couch is real … The floodgates are definitely about to open here in Australia.”

    It is unclear how many allegations will see the light of day, thanks to Australia’s plaintiff-favouring legal climate.

    What stood in the way of open-slather public accusations, Mr Collins said, was the fact that Australia had no constitutional ­enshrinement of a right to free speech — unlike similar countries. With no charter or bill of rights, he said, Australia’s legal regime ­resembled English defamation law in the 19th century.

    Nor does this country have a public figure defence enabling journalists to report freely on allegations raised against celebrities or politicians, as exists in the US. If allegations were made against media figures in Australia, Mr Collins said, the only way publishers could be protected would be if they could prove the accusations were true — a “difficult” proposition that would require alleged victims to be willing to testify in court. “You’d want to be very, very sure that they were victims who were prepared to, if it came to it, get in the witness box and say what happened to them — and be sure that they’re credible,” ­Mr Collins said.

    By contrast, he said, in the US the onus of proof was reversed for public figures who believe they have been defamed.

    “If someone like Weinstein were to sue, he’d have to prove (the allegation) was false,” Mr Collins said. Australia’s media industry has been hit with a number of hefty defamation payouts in recent months. Rebel Wilson’s record-breaking $4.56 million win against Bauer Media in September heralds a new era of caution. Bauer is appealing the amount.

    Fairfax Media is awaiting the NSW Supreme Court’s damages award in the case of cricket superstar Chris Gayle, whom a jury last month found it had defamed with a 2016 article. In that case, Ms Russell left the courtroom after a cross-examination in which personal details of her life were raised.

  27. Tintarella di Luna

    The way things are going these days the only way businesses will survive is if women are chained to the kitchen sink and return to the wearing of crinolines, chastity belts and bonnets.

    Only a return to Il Seraglio-style social situation will be acceptable. If we’re really serious about stamping out sexual harassment. I think a good starting place should be the self-exclusion by all men (DNA-based) from all women’s fashion houses and all Victoria’s Secret extravaganzas – that includes driving moving vans, pushing around the big trunks of clothing, camera-operators, lighting experts, musicians (especially for Katy Perry and/or Miley Cyrus).

    Every single job done by men at any women’s fashion even should only be performed by women and eunuchs (physical evidence required).

    Then we should start with all HR departments – oh wait.

  28. Zyconoclast

    None
    #2567395, posted on November 27, 2017 at 4:24 am

    Well said None.
    The homosexualists have used the same tactics in politics as they did in the Churches.
    Infiltrate, infest and injure.

    For themselves or for others the ultimate goal is your children.

    Ricky Gervais made a very good joke that in Britain when the homosexuals were protesting in the street to reduce the age of concent from 18 to 16, all the blokes marching were 50 year old perverts and no 16 year boys.

  29. rickw

    Been flying, trying to make sense of the last two pages.

  30. Herodotus

    Politics is no longer about who are the better managers. It’s a TV show, and a cheap, nasty one at that.

  31. zyconoclast

    Politics is no longer about who are the better managers. It’s a TV show, and a cheap, nasty one at that.

    Except on a TV show they usually try and make the females a bit presentable.
    Seeing the horror show that is the returned Qld premier reminds me of the definition politics as Hollywood for ugly people.

  32. Mother Lode

    What is stopping you from listing?

    Because lefties always ultimately fall back into projection, so we would end up with line items about how it’s not fair some people are just born lucky, how mummy and daddy didn’t hug him enough, and bitches laughing at his tiny penis and such.

    Lefties always project. It saves preciously scarce neurones from thinking, and hopefully people assume they don’t have the vices and inadequacies they accuse others of.

  33. zyconoclast

    I heard a woman making allegations against Don Bourke.
    The language she used was a bit strange and very modern.

    She said things like, “He thought it was ok to…”

    Why not just say he did this or that. Describe what happened rather than try and read his mind.
    Very suspicious. I hope he gets his day in court rather than just smear and allegation.

  34. John Constantine

    Last nights storm seems to have unerringly picked out the pasture country for the narrow and intense hail storm, all that lovely hail gone to waste causing no insurance crop claims.

    The merely drenching rain that flattened and stained the cropping end of the place can’t be insured against

  35. Mother Lode

    I do wish they would stop describing the lefties in the Liberal party as ‘Moderates’.

    One things the left does not do is compromise. They would never dream of taking a position that accommodates both sides of the political spectrum.

    The most they do is announce that their causes are the issue of our time and wait for the quislings to knuckle under and, when they invariably do, take a step left and declare the difference is now the issue of the time and the right are out of step. The right knuckles under again, and the process repeats.

  36. calli

    Not surprised about Don Burke. He had a revolving door of research assistants. Rumours abounded when I was doing hort.

  37. struth

    So Labor did not win the election as much as Liberals lost it.
    The message is loud and clear.
    Not that the liberals will hear it.

  38. Farmer Gez

    Yesterday’s storms gave me a first.
    Lightning caused a small fire but by the time we arrived in the fire truck the hail was golf ball sized and we had to make a run for it.
    Fire and ice.

  39. Rev. Archibald

    Morning libertarian fruit cakes.

  40. Aristogeiton

    Get a job you sad fuck.

  41. Leigh Lowe

    Not surprised about Don Burke. He had a revolving door of research assistants. Rumours abounded when I was doing hort.

    I heard plenty of rumours that he was a complete arse to work for but nothing sexual.
    Interesting that Channel Nein have thrown him under a bus, presumably because all employees were engaged by Burke’s production company. If it was an in-house show staffed by Nein employees with legal exposure for Nein their spin would be very different.

  42. Rev. Archibald

    Seriously, it takes little time or effort to root out autistic libertarian dribblers.

  43. Aristogeiton

    You sound like a winner Pajeet.

  44. Tel

    The message is loud and clear.
    Not that the liberals will hear it.

    The know already, there’s new nothing to hear.

    The LNP encouraged voters to give preferences to the ALP… in other words, the big parties circled the wagons to keep Pea Hon out and the LNP are perfectly content to be professional losers. They know your message, they are OK you not liking them.

  45. min

    I voted No because the issues re freedom of speech etc had not been put in place first. I had a disagreement with a left Union supporter and a cumbya believer who called me a bigot when I explAined why I had taken this position . He claimed laws were already in place. I used the examples of the Tasmanian Archbishop dragged thru HRC , the treatment of Margaret Court but he kept shouting at me . This happened in a U3A group now 2women are saying they will not return while he is there ,one was in tears .
    I am wondering now if Sharia Law is allowed, as Turnbull talked about, whether the law would protect girls from FG M and child marriage.

  46. Rev. Archibald

    No, you’re no libertarian Aristogeiton.
    Not one of the full bore loopy open borders type, anyway.
    So what has chaffed your sack?

  47. stackja

    Give me a home among the gumtrees
    With lots of plum trees
    A sheep or two, a k-kangaroo
    A clothesline out the back
    Verandah out the front
    And an old rocking chair

  48. Aristogeiton

    I abhor your mediocrity. KYS.

  49. calli

    I heard plenty of rumours that he was a complete arse to work for but nothing sexual.

    He’s highly litigious, Leigh. He had absolute power over anyone who worked for him. I respect and value this blog. Enough said.

  50. Rev. Archibald

    Oh.
    You contribute so much.
    Go ahead.
    Say something brilliant.
    You will know it is brilliant, because people reply and say interesting things.
    Go ahead.
    Generate some interest.

  51. Aristogeiton

    Says the grade “F” troll. Just do it mate.

  52. DrBeauGan

    Arky! Morning has come and you are still alive and undevoured by the spook. Aren’t you going to explain this? Particularly for those who are disappointed that nothing happened in the night-time.

  53. Rev. Archibald

    No, no , no.
    Don’t talk to me Aristo- gay- ton.
    Talk to them.
    They await your brilliant contribution.

  54. Rev. Archibald

    There are many, many truly brilliant people on this blog.
    I am not one of them, and wouldn’t want to crowd them out.
    But you ain’t one of them.

  55. lotocoti

    Accusations range from verbal harassment

    Jeepers.
    Would calling the bubble-headed booby a bubble-headed booby be classified as verbal harassment?

  56. Aristogeiton

    What happened to the rock-robbed troll? Who’s this sniveling pansy?

  57. Rev. Archibald

    It’s slow, so I don’t think we are stopping anyone getting the news.
    Lets talk about you.
    Solidly conservative I think.
    What do you do for a crust?

  58. Aristogeiton

    lotocoti
    #2567460, posted on November 27, 2017 at 8:26 am
    Accusations range from verbal harassment

    All part of the plan. Lefties are sex pests -> sexual assault/rape -> “sexual harassment” -> “everything is sexual harassment”.

    It’s all about protecting their tribe.

  59. Aristogeiton

    Mate your shift at 7/11 started 5 minutes ago!

  60. Rev. Archibald

    It’s a polite question man.

  61. Aristogeiton

    You’re a troll. You want to be friends now? Yeesh! Now I feel bad for you.

  62. Rev. Archibald

    No.
    I eant to see what you’ve got that makes you so interesting,
    So far: nothing.

  63. Rae

    There are many, many truly brilliant people on this blog.

    You are still hallucinating.

  64. Aristogeiton

    No more food for you dimwit.

  65. Rev. Archibald

    Well you showed your mettle.
    What a genius.

  66. DrBeauGan

    Arky, you are still alive, more or less. Kindly explain this lamentable state of affairs.

  67. H B Bear

    Here’s a heads up to Smith (and the others in the Turnbull Coalition Team) – if your Bill has majority support from Labor AND the Greens, then you are doing something terribly wrong!

    A significant number (a majority?) of the Waffleworth Coalition Team formerly know as the Lieborals are more comfortable dealing with the Liars and Greenfilth than their Lieboral colleagues.

  68. Tel

    The poltergoose is typing on Arky’s keyboard.

    Seems like that Aldi catalog didn’t save him… poor bastard.

  69. entropy

    Coming down will be a Class A Bitch, Arky.

  70. Rev. Archibald

    Admission:
    I might have been hamming it up slightly last night. This may have given it away,

    the ancient aboriginal pet cemetary burial grounds under my house.

    Also attempting to ward of a poltergiest with a chicken Kiev.

  71. Des Deskperson

    ‘I heard plenty of rumours that he was a complete arse to work for but nothing sexual.’

    His show, at least toward the end, was crap with not much at all about gardening.

    It was mostly Burke sucking up to from B- to C+ grade celebrities on the pretext that they were ‘gardeners’, even though most of them lived in town houses,

  72. entropy

    I think the federal Turnbull Coalition Team lack comprehension skills, or weirdly believe that reality doesn’t matter to those that live inside their little bubble.

    Even the Qld election example won’t penetrate past the barrier.
    if Cosgrove won’t save us, will Barnaby?

  73. Aristogeiton

    You’re right mate. You aren’t very clever. Or funny. Or, it seems, successful.

  74. H B Bear

    I see the Weinsteinitis has hit Australia courtesy of that great investigative churnalist Tracey Spicer, the poser girl for splenetic irrrelvance: Headline: Tracey Spicer’s sexual misconduct file imminent

    You better watch out
    You better not cry
    Better not pout
    I’m telling you why
    Frightbat Tracey is coming to town

    She’s making a list
    And checking it twice;
    Gonna find out Who’s naughty and nice
    Frightbat Tracey is coming to town

  75. DrBeauGan

    But Arky, people came to support you! Fat Tony told his own tales of horror and panic. There are, according to your supporters, similar spook ridden places all over Oz. How can you let them down in this callous way? Can’t you at least fake being possessed of a demon to bring comfort to those who believed in you?

  76. Rev. Archibald

    Another admission:
    I recently came to the conclusion that the denizens of this blog are either libertarian traitorous fucks willing to sell the whole damn country out, or their captive conservative stooges suffering stockholm syndrome.
    This has freed me from my previous care for your feelings, and from giving a fuck what you think of me.
    If this looks like trolling to you it’s because you are either:
    i. An autistic libertarian globalist seine.
    ii. One of their pets.
    iii. A bit thick.

  77. Diogenes

    Weinsteinitis has hit Australia

    Interesting that he still appears on A Current Affair from time to time and usually interviewed by Tracy Grimjaw herself. It will be interesting to see if it is mentioned tonight.

    Old Donny has denied the claims, will be interesting to see if writs start flying.

  78. Eddystone

    The Cat is becoming quite weird at the moment. Maybe it’s just me.

    I’m going to stop lurking for a couple of weeks, spend that time more productively and see how it goes.

    Have fun everyone, see you later maybe.

  79. Diogenes

    I recently came to the conclusion that the denizens of this blog ….

    As you are a denizen of this blog this obviously applies to you as well. 🙂

  80. Anthony

    I keep reading that One Nation links are toxic to the Libs. The obvious toxicity to the Libs is Malcolm Turnbull. He is destroying the party, destroying the political climate of Australia. I was about to say that he is not a politician’s a—hole – but he is.
    Australia is damned for as long as the jelly spines in the party don’t open their eyes to today’s reality.

  81. Rev. Archibald

    Aristogeiton
    #2567494, posted on November 27, 2017 at 9:12 am

    .,
    And yet despite yourself and your adament lack of interest you keep replying to my posts.
    All without daying anything remotely interesting.
    You truly are a genius.
    Look at the three categories I gave.
    See if you can work out which you’re in.

  82. Snoopy

    Suggest they take their wives along to, Dutto, then when they get there cancel their passports.

    A group of Australia’s most senior doctors, psychiatrists and surgeons have written an open letter to the Federal Government offering to fly to Manus Island and treat asylum seekers and refugees for free.

    The 18 clinicians include leading psychiatrist and former Australian of the Year Professor Patrick McGorry, editor of the Medical Journal of Australia Professor Nick Talley, and the president of the College of GPs, Professor Bastian Seidel.

  83. MarkA;

    Whenever were the Kurds considered under any president in a “as useful long term allies way”
    Never! They are communist troublemakers for everyone in the region from Turkey to Iraq and Iran.

    The Kurds have always been known for their ability to stir up trouble among their larger enemies, sneak away from the mayhem, and have a jolly good laugh.
    I remember a report here a year or so ago where a soldier gave warning on their tricks:
    Two opposing countries/tribes were having a peaceful rest when a Kurd unit slipped into position between the two lines. They then proceeded to open fire in both directions, and the war was back on.
    Then the Kurds snuck out again.

    The lesson is this – whenever you see peace breaking out in the middle east you will see a Kurd sneaking in. When you see the fight erupt, you will see a Kurd sneaking away.
    Like all Muslims, they are adept at portraying themselves as the victim.
    And of course being communist, the media love them and their victim status.

  84. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2567511, posted on November 27, 2017 at 9:35 am

    Fuck off GrigoRae M

  85. entropy

    Yes, Anthony. People don’t vote for ONP because they are committed heart and soul to whatever someone told Pauline the policy is that morning over breakfast.
    They have abandoned the LNP because of the impact of actual LNP policies and behaviour on them, the alienation and contempt they feel from the ruling class, who seem to be getting ever fatter off the backs of them. So the ONP voter wants to show the political class how they feel.
    Doesnt even have to be true. That is how many ONP voters feel. ONP just gives them an outlet.

    In response, rather than listening and feeling their pain, the LNP doubles down.

  86. Rev. Archibald

    Eddystone
    #2567502, posted on November 27, 2017 at 9:22 am

    .,
    Fuck off then.

  87. Rev. Archibald

    Make sure to email Sinc first and complain about the troll.
    Stooge.

  88. The Cat is becoming quite weird at the moment.

    Have fun everyone, see you later maybe.

    Maybe. I share your view.
    Merry Christmas all.
    I’m off to have fun cleaning the toilet.

  89. thefrolickingmole

    I see the ABC is all pumped and primed for the Burkes backdoor/backyard scandal, 7:30 report is apparently doing an episode of character assassination tonight.

  90. Geriatric Mayfly

    Suggest they take their wives along to, Dutto, then when they get there cancel their passports.

    The wives would have to be dragged kicking and screaming. It’s not like Tuscany or the Dordogne up there with no chance of a quick shopover on the Rue de la Paix. Their hearts will bleed just as comfortably from home.

  91. Boambee John

    Nor does this country have a public figure defence enabling journalists to report freely on allegations raised against celebrities or politicians, as exists in the US. If allegations were made against media figures in Australia, Mr Collins said, the only way publishers could be protected would be if they could prove the accusations were true — a “difficult” proposition that would require alleged victims to be willing to testify in court. “You’d want to be very, very sure that they were victims who were prepared to, if it came to it, get in the witness box and say what happened to them — and be sure that they’re credible,” ­Mr Collins said.

    This doesn’t seem to have constrained the various Pell accusers, none of whom seem to have faced defamation proceedings.

    But then, Cardinal Pell is a Christian. Some of those now under threat might not be.

  92. Rev. Archibald

    Before you go IR check the categories I gave see where you think you are.
    I know.
    Do you?
    Fake.

  93. Eyrie

    Lt. Col. Tom Kratman doesn’t have a lot of time for Kurds. Just another bunch of Mussie Arabs but with better P.R.

  94. Knuckle Dragger;
    About five years ago, I made a comment to the effect that if everyone carried a camera around with them, then the full story on a lot of things would get out. It appears technology has caught up with my request and we are seeing HD format film of many things that would never have seen the light of day.
    The advent of car cams and personal sound recording devices have turned out to be a life saver for many.

  95. DrBeauGan

    Rev. Archibald
    #2567499, posted on November 27, 2017 at 9:19 am
    Another admission:
    I recently came to the conclusion that the denizens of this blog are either libertarian traitorous fucks willing to sell the whole damn country out, or their captive conservative stooges suffering stockholm syndrome.
    This has freed me from my previous care for your feelings, and from giving a fuck what you think of me.
    If this looks like trolling to you it’s because you are either:
    i. An autistic libertarian globalist seine.
    ii. One of their pets.
    iii. A bit thick.

    It does look like trolling to me, Arky, and I don’t belong to any of your categories. Or you could just be pissed, although it’s a bit early for that.

  96. Philippa Martyr

    The Don Burke stories are numerous, from people who don’t know each other, and are consistent – the types of behaviours they report are similar. They also cover a considerable period of time. Men and women both report them – the men report being told stuff by Burke via bragging, or catching him red-handed.

    The stories are also consistent about the network culture of minimisation, denial and cover up. Given the recent Channel 7 business, there should be no surprises there.

    I’d say on the face of it, it’s believable.

    Don Burke’s denial is unfortunately also exactly what you would expect from a man described in those terms by nearly 500 ex-colleagues.

  97. areff

    From the ABC’s account of Burke’s alleged predations:

    Wendy Dent met Burke at the Melbourne Garden Show in the mid 1990s. The then 21-year-old was hired to perform as the children’s entertainer, Stardust The Fairy.

    “Don Burke was a very big deal, I think at that time he had the highest rating show on TV. They started filming me, and Don Burke was doing his piece to camera while I was actually performing,” Ms Dent told the ABC. Background: the target of such horrendous abuse and harassment was dressed as a fairy:

    “He came over and chatted with me and the crew, and it was at some point then I said ‘I’ll give you a fairy wish’, which was part of my routine.

    “He kneeled down in front of me and the crew and entourage, and onlookers were gathered around, and he was kneeling in front and I said ‘Close your eyes and think of a wish and if you really truly believe in it, it will come true’.

    “I wave my wand over him and then I throw stardust over him and I said ‘Okay, now open your eyes’. And he said, ‘It didn’t work, you’ve still got your clothes on’. It stunned me.”

    Ms Dent said a crew member later warned her to be careful of Burke. But when Burke offered her the chance to appear on his show, she decided to take him up on it because it was such a huge opportunity.

  98. Caveman

    Re the Burke article , you have to be careful in photos where you place your hands it seems to fit the narrative. It’s open to interpretation. But doesn’t seem to just stop with Bourke, in that same article the picture below shows a camera man having sex with a video camera and Burke is watching him, friggin disgusting.

  99. Philippa Martyr

    Yes, areff, like everyone else did. It was how things were done. We all know that.

    But it’s still repellant behaviour on Burke’s part. Some of the female witnesses also said they gave up on working in the industry because of it.

  100. DrBeauGan

    I see the ABC is all pumped and primed for the Burkes backdoor/backyard scandal, 7:30 report is apparently doing an episode of character assassination tonight.

    This does look a bit like the meek, undersexed and politically correct inheriting the world. These women busy whingeing could have just told him to bugger off or slapped his face. But they didn’t have the courage. So now they join the pack attack. When it’s safe. It’s hard to have much respect for them.

  101. thefrolickingmole

    Rev. Archibald

    Are you interested in a new career, I think youd make a perfect agony aunt for the Guardian newspaper, perhaps you could give us your wisdom on this case?
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/26/should-i-report-sexual-harassment-if-i-then-slept-with-the-man

    The dilemma Should I report sexual harassment I received even though I later had a sexual relationship with the harasser? Years ago I worked as a volunteer for a political party and while showing me some work on a computer, a senior staff member repeatedly touched my knee. He said sorry, and then did it again, about seven times. He finished by saying: “I’ll need to report myself for sexual harassment now.”

    At the time I laughed as I was really not sure how else I could respond. Months after I split from my husband, the harasser started to pursue me, giving me the attention I had been so lacking. Vulnerable, emotional and drinking too much, I started a relationship with him. I also used him for a job reference, and have his glowing praise for my work on my LinkedIn profile.

    I was an adult who made poor decisions, but with the stories in the press I wonder if I should report his behaviour. Or have I invalidated the harassment, and let women down, by sleeping with my harasser and using him for a job reference? I know I will get abuse for this.


    My version: He asked, you knocked him back, he asked again you said yes, suck on it princess…

  102. JC

    I’m with you Doc.
    Whenever I’ve read these missives I always think .. there’s the door, Why didn’t any of these women simply leave the job and go elsewhere?

  103. Philippa Martyr

    Those women who did complain about Burke say that they were threatened by network bosses. Not everyone is in a position to be able to walk away from their only means of earning a living.

    Perhaps the bosses told them they were undersexed whingers.

  104. BorisG.

    Not sure it is left or right, but the Kurds are US’s only Muslim world’s reliable allies and counterweight to Islamist extremism.

    Stop drinking the bong water, Boris.
    The Kurds are the most untrustworthy muslims of the lot, and it appears they’ve sucked you right in. They are closely followed by the Rohingas who are nearly as capable of creating mayhem, then complaining to the media about their victimhood.
    The Muslim world could have peace tomorrow if they wanted it, but they choose war damn near every time, and their friends on the Left think that this decision is just fine.

  105. JC

    Or where were the husbands, boyfriends, brothers and dads?

  106. Infidel Tiger

    All these stories about Burke were known 20 years ago. This isn’t even news.

  107. JC

    Philippa, it was just a job and there are more around.

    Sexual harassment suits were alive and well in the late 80s onward.

  108. Roger

    In response, rather than listening and feeling their pain, the LNP doubles down.

    All in the pursuit of those SEQ seats and ministerial leather.

  109. .

    The dilemma Should I report sexual harassment I received even though I later had a sexual relationship with the harasser? Years ago I worked as a volunteer for a political party and while showing me some work on a computer, a senior staff member repeatedly touched my knee. He said sorry, and then did it again, about seven times. He finished by saying: “I’ll need to report myself for sexual harassment now.”

    I said a few weeks ago, we’re going to see divorce proceedings that involve sexual harassment prior to the relationship, someone will try to get a Kennon adjustment (higher payout) on those grounds.

  110. JC

    I’m waiting for spicer to lodge a lawsuit against her hairbrush!

  111. Philippa Martyr

    There are people who see the workplace as a sexual playground. That’s their choice. But they also make it harder for the rest of us, and it creates an unhealthy atmosphere in the office.

    Myself, I don’t shit where I eat, and I don’t engage in other bodily functions there either. The workplace is for work. It’s where you treat colleagues with respect, you have a laugh, and you get stuff done.

    This means that work colleagues are for me 100% off limits. Anyone who tries to breach that rule of mine gets a blank stare, followed by awkward personal questions about their partner/spouse. This usually stops it.

    The next stage is telling them that what they have said is inappropriate. It hasn’t gone further than that in years.

    I don’t lunch alone with male colleagues. I don’t work late alone with male colleagues.

    But that is because I am a grown woman who is single and who has to take care of herself. In the absence of any code of conduct in the workplace, I have developed my own.

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    Just did a quick flick to the Senate in session. A very large battle axe is on her hind trotters and the first words I hear from her lips are: “We are here this week to recognise that love is love.” OFF!!!!

  113. entropy

    Does the modern version of “making a move” require producing a ten page terms and conditions paper for signing? Asking purely for theoretical purposes of course.
    Is the borderline between harassment and a pick up whether the woman likes the look of the dude or not?

    Reminds me of that old Saturday Night Live skit pretending to be a General Electiec workplace video called “Sexual Harassment and You”.

  114. Philippa Martyr

    Or where were the husbands, boyfriends, brothers and dads?

    Missing in action, as they have been for around 50 years now?

  115. Rev. Archibald

    It does look like trolling to me, Arky, and I don’t belong to any of your categories.

    ..
    Maybe.
    Maybe you should consider if years of interacting with these toxic bums has had an effect, however subtle.
    Remember: the only thing I’m attacking is their libertarian theology, then responding in kind to insults.
    And then pointing out the mob tactics they used to shut people down.
    The latest: “Oh I hate the way the blog is going, I’m wetting my panties and going away”.
    Pathetic.
    I’m trying to do it with humour and without disrupting the flow from the many cool and intelligent people on here I respect tons.
    I hope most observers can see it.

  116. Philippa Martyr

    Or where were the husbands, boyfriends, brothers and dads?

    Not told, because they knew exactly who would get blamed?

  117. entropy

    That said, Phillipa’s rules should apply to both genders.

  118. DrBeauGan

    Philippa Martyr
    #2567533, posted on November 27, 2017 at 10:07 am
    Those women who did complain about Burke say that they were threatened by network bosses. Not everyone is in a position to be able to walk away from their only means of earning a living.

    Perhaps the bosses told them they were undersexed whingers.

    Pippa, Burke is just an old-fashioned bully. You have to learn to stand up to bullies. It’s all about self-respect. Those women didn’t have enough of it.

  119. Arky;

    iii. A bit thick.

    Well that’ll have to do, but isn’t there a 4th category?

  120. Rev. Archibald

    Fourth category?
    Genuine conservative?

  121. Mother Lode

    Mick Trumble has decided that, if he can’t be one of the Libs’ great PM’s (so small a company that would be that they could share a one bedroom flat without walking into each other), he will be famous for being the last Liberal PM.

    If he can’t be a heroic figure, he will be tragic. Forlorn, only two conscious that he lives in a twilight, and that he might have done magnificent things if born at another time – he is too great a man for these diminished and constrained times.

    The pompous fathead can live with that.

    In truth, there is not a pit of sloppy dung deep enough to drop this turd in. A piece like him will always float on the top.

  122. Philippa Martyr

    Thank you, Beau, for that explanation.

    How silly of me not to have realised that it was that simple.

  123. Chris

    Knuckle Dragger
    #2567360, posted on November 27, 2017 at 2:34 am
    SATP at 12.31 am;

    It’s a question of intent, and of attitude in your chosen field of endeavour.

    Back in the glory days whilst working the van, and later doing certain other roles, I viewed the concept of bad guys doing bad guy things in my patch as a personal affront to what I considered a holy mandate to keep the ne’er do wells away from normal people. There are many ways to skin a cat, and I made sure that if at all possible these people would be locked up (you’d be surprised how clumsy people can be when they don’t want to be arrested) and on eventual release persuaded that their future lay in areas other than the one I was responsible for.

    Constant visits to their houses between other jobs (‘welfare checks’), could and would be followed by like visits to the crook’s family and friends to ensure he or she wasn’t still pursuing villainy as a career.

    And I made damn sure every single one of these parasites knew my name, and why I was in their face. I was a big fan of the old adage, ‘If you make me run, I’m bringing an arse kicking with me.’

    There are still some young coppers around with the same values, but they’re more constrained now than ever before by policy and procedure imposed on them by other higher ups. That, and they’re probably weighed down by all the pride pins they seem to be wearing now.

    Two ladies in the one van was almost unheard of, for obvious reasons. Working in one of the bigger inner suburban stations, on occasions we had three van crews on a night shift (sounds like plenty, but when your patch is almost 400,000 people…..). If two ladies were on a van, the other two crews would flip a coin. The loser would take on the majority of the jobs for the shift, and the winner would discreetly shadow the girls’ van without their knowledge, and would wait a block away from where they were in case they needed urgent backup. Which was at least once on most shifts. I know it’s not PC, and yes I know lady cops have certain skills that make them valuable – but it’s generally not jumping four or five fences after a crook and then getting into a fight at the end.

    Anyway, it’s about taking things personally. That’s why good bush coppers are worth their weight in gold.

    Reposted Knuckledragger here because thats who I want on the job. When I am whining about the damage WAPOL do through firearm licensing, how can I separate the harassers and jobsworths from the blokes doing the job above?

  124. .

    Don Burke?

    Pffft…

    This has been posted before. From YouTube:

    The Daily with Brendan Malone: How the Olympics is exposing feminist hypocrisy

    Watch the whole thing, but fast forward to 2:52 for some stratospheric double standards…”there are children watching”.

  125. Roger

    I don’t lunch alone with male colleagues. I don’t work late alone with male colleagues.

    Very sensible.

    As I’ve previously noted regarding the Charlie Rose allegations, many of the complainants stated the incidents occurred at Rose’s home or while travelling with him, which presumably means in his hotel room.

    Hello.

  126. Stimpson J. Cat

    Look you shouldn’t joke about demons.
    I’ve only successfully exorcised one, and they almost always come back eventually.
    Just try and stay as far away from them as you possibly can.
    Not fun at all.

  127. DrBeauGan

    I’d sooner lose my job than knuckle down to a bully. I’ve lost promotion prospects in the past for declining to kiss arse.

    It was well worth it.

  128. thefrolickingmole

    This means that work colleagues are for me 100% off limits. Anyone who tries to breach that rule of mine gets a blank stare, followed by awkward personal questions about their partner/spouse. This usually stops it.

    The next stage is telling them that what they have said is inappropriate. It hasn’t gone further than that in years.

    I don’t lunch alone with male colleagues. I don’t work late alone with male colleagues.

    Crazy talk, being responsible enough to not put yourself in potentially compromising situations which you can regret afterwards is just internalized patriarchy or something.

    Can you hear hopes/dreams and/or genitalia shriveling when the blank stare is deployed?

  129. Arky;

    It’s slow, so I don’t think we are stopping anyone getting the news.
    Lets talk about you.
    Solidly conservative I think.
    What do you do for a crust?

    A young lady Lieutenant of my acquaintance was asked this in the boozer, late one night at Canungra LWC. Her reply was “I don’t change my pad for three days.”
    Conversation stopper for the pest Captain.

  130. Anthony

    Is the powerful Women’s Lib of the 80s simply a myth? I remember the shoulder pads, but did anyone flex any muscle?

  131. JC

    Crazy talk, being responsible enough to not put yourself in potentially compromising situations which you can regret afterwards is just internalized patriarchy or something.

    Can you hear hopes/dreams and/or genitalia shriveling when the blank stare is deployed?

    Which is eggsactly the problem. I have no doubt that a lot of this lecherous unfunny, stuff occurred. But how about some adult behavior and being in control of your own life, instead of this underhanded cry for help for the state to get involved because that’s what it all is about. It’s an expectation for the state to do something.

    Don’t like a lecherous pig at work and the management won’t do anything? Leave, as it’s a terrible place to work.

  132. Eyrie;

    Interestingly, before we even arrived in our area, there had been an incident – a firefight resulting in several Iraqi dead – between the British Marines and some Iraqi troops guarding one of Hussein’s palaces in that part of Iraq. I asked a British officer about it and his answer was to the effect that, “As near as we can figure, as one of our patrols was passing, two Kurds, from different positions but surely with coordination, took a shot each, close to simultaneously. One shot was at our patrol, the other at the Iraqi on the gate to the palace. Both shots missed, but the Iraqis and our men, thinking they were under attack, reacted as one would expect. We were just a lot better shots, better led, than they were. Poor bastards. One of the reasons we’re quite sure that the Iraqis didn’t shoot first was that, as our men passed, they waved at each other, as soldiers will who have no particular reasons for enmity.”8

    Read more: http://www.everyjoe.com/2016/02/01/politics/our-gallant-allies-the-kurds-other-fairy-tales/#ixzz4zaGpwoEg

    Thanks for that Eyrie, that’s the incident I was referring to.

  133. Infidel Tiger

    I’ll be devastated if Peter Russell Clarke turns out to be a sexist bully.

  134. JC

    Wow, big talk, but we’ll see.

    As Rick Falkvinge, CEO of BitCoin Cash and founder of the Swedish Pirate Party, warns “bitcoin is an extinction-level event for banks” and probably governments too…

    http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/11/26/bitcoin-tops-9300-amid-extinction-level-event-for-banks-and-maybe-governments-too/#sthash.C7uuTaan.dpbs

    Market cap for cryptos now around $US300 billion.

  135. .

    Please watch the video guys (10:24 am). You WILL be disappointed.

  136. Arky;

    Fourth category?
    Genuine conservative?

    Thanks.
    Yes, I’ll take option number four, please.

  137. thefrolickingmole

    Seem to be 2 diffent lots of allegations on Burkes backdoor.

    One: He was a hardass to work for who booted people out unmercifully if he thought they were under-performing.

    This is legal and apparently pretty successful as far as his show went.

    Two: He wasnt adverse to trying it on with staff, depending on the allegation some of these were in breach of employment laws and a few appear to be borderline criminal assault.

    ABC has invited everyone in the same room for a swing at his ballsack, counting on weight of numbers to condemn.

  138. areff

    Alleged behaviour, Philippa, and on the scale of things that joke with a fairy is extraordinarily trivial. I couldn’t imagine any Cat being so louche, but is it a hanging offence? My ex summed it up perfectly: sexual harassment is when the guy you don’t fancy comes on to you.

    All of this could be avoided were parents to raise their boys to be gentlemen. Alas, good manners, consideration for others and restraint are virtues out of fashion these days. Is it any wonder the Gimme-Gimme-Gimmes, sated at every turn by their doting parents’ indulgence, don’t recognise what is acceptable and what is not?

  139. thefrolickingmole

    Infidel Tiger

    It would be even worse if the bloke who played Agro came out as gay…

  140. .

    I have to agree about that fairy thing. It was a shit joke.

    All of this could be avoided were parents to raise their boys to be gentlemen.

    Watch the video at 10:24 am.

  141. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2567571, posted on November 27, 2017 at 10:42 am

    I’ll be devastated if Peter Russell Clarke turns out to be a sexist bully

    Nah.
    He’s just a common-or-garden dickhead has-been with residual delusions of relevance.
    Sad not bad.

  142. Arky,

    I see a chicken Kiev worn around the neck did the trick.
    Or did you terminate the spook with extreme prejudice – Major Payne style?
    No matter. Good to see you are still with us.

    No, you’re no libertarian Aristogeiton.
    Not one of the full bore loopy open borders type, anyway.

    A word of wisdom to the wise, Arky.
    A supporter of open borders is not, by definition, a libertarian.
    True, they may call themselves “libertarians”.
    But only in the manner that climate scientists call themselves “scientists”.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    Sinc/Jacques … can you please delete any predictions I made about Ashes Test Cricket between 08:00 last Thursday and 23:00 last night.
    Thank you.

  144. .

    Aggro was actually Dr Phil?

    Will Jeff Fenech sue Anne-Maree?

  145. Stimpson J. Cat

    they gave up

    Relevant part highlighted.

  146. C.L.

    The workplace is for work. It’s where you treat colleagues with respect, you have a laugh, and you get stuff done.

    It’s also where generations of people found a spouse.
    It’s virtually compulsory for teachers to marry teachers and doctors have been marrying nurses forever. Factory workers etc etc.

    The thing I found interesting about the SMH story this morning is that it was a joint “investigation” with the ABC. I wonder if Spicer will be quite so courageous when it comes to ‘stories’ about those two organisations. In short: nope. She won’t.

  147. Phillipa, with all due respect, around 75% of all permanent relationships start out as a meeting in the workplace. This is hardly surprising since most people spend three quarters of their functional time at work. Is it possible you are still single because of your rigid, uncompromising standards?

  148. Stimpson J. Cat

    Not told, because they knew exactly who would get blamed?

    Yes, because most boyfriends and husband’s take the word of a f$cking tv gardener over their partner.

  149. BrettW

    Woke up today and was pondering the Qld election result. Then bought the Oz.

    Paul Kelly’s first page column summed it up brilliantly, particularly “a vote for One Nation means a Labor government”.

    Grateful if somebody could cut and paste here Kelly’s first four paras as situation could not be summarised better.

    My thought is LNP need to replace Nicholls with Deb Frecklington or Tim Mander as he was a major part of their negative campaign due to harking back to Newman years.

  150. Dot,
    I watched it – illuminating.
    I wish I could put my thoughts into words as well as some people. (That’s a general wish, not just specifically to the item watched.)

  151. areff

    At various points I’ve had people reporting to me. One of the intriguing things about having a corner office was the coquettish behaviour of some women. So, a young lady is sitting on the corner of your desk, dangling a shapely ankle and being verbally a bit more familiar than office conduct normally sees. What’s a bloke to do? Banish the hussy from his office? Watch every uttered word? The sensible ones — and I count myself in this category — remember that they have a partner at home, have made vows and don’t respond in any way that might be taken as suggesting a bit of groin-bumping is possible and, indeed, likely.

    The unattached, however, must be a lot more careful. Respond to an overture and, who knows what happens down the road. Trouble in paradise and, suddenly, what was a mutual dalliance becomes an example of the power imbalance and male dreadfulness.

    Philippa is right: don’t shit where you eat or root where you work. But it is complicated.

  152. Rev. Archibald

    A word of wisdom to the wise, Arky.
    A supporter of open borders is not, by definition, a libertarian.
    True, they may call themselves “libertarians”.

    ..
    I hadn’t considered that.
    My knowledge of libertarianism might be tainted by a small number of blowhards and chickenshits on here.
    I think the central tenet as I understand it is the non- agression principal.
    The only way they could possibly define flooding the West with social welfare cases as non- agression is by the tactics you see here: omission and sophistry.

  153. C.L.

    Consecutive headlines at ABC Online:

    LNP ‘must accept any association with One Nation is toxic’
    Euthanasia could be legal in NT by 2018 under Greens’ plan

  154. Aristogeiton

    I wish it were Peter Cundall.

  155. Geriatric Mayfly

    It’s a worry. Looks like a day out for the crazies in the Senate today, and so far none under the watchful eye of a carer. There’s a large number of inmates who will be on the loose, so be alert and be alarmed.

  156. areff

    It’s virtually compulsory for teachers to marry teachers and doctors have been marrying nurses forever.

    ABC staffers as well.

  157. The Moribund Barking Toad

    For Brett

    For the conservative side, there are two irresistible messages from this poll: the merged Liberal National Party failed to manage the political fragmentation of Queensland and the conservatives must turn the truism that “a vote for One Nation means a Labor government” into a national battle cry.

    There is also a deeper message confirmed in this poll but not unique to Queensland. This was not just a Labor versus the LNP election; it was an election of the Labor-led alliance of trade unions, Greens and GetUp!against the LNP. It saw the former out-campaign the latter in skills, message, numbers and money.

    A weak Labor government has almost certainly been returned in another demonstration of the electoral power of the Labor/progressive/union alliance that in current circumstances the conservative or Liberal/National side of politics seems unable to match anywhere outside NSW.

    Queensland, the decentralised state, is where the fragmentation of the political culture is most accentuated and where the conservative side must offer two distinct brands — a polished Liberal brand in southeast Queensland and an aggressive Nationals brand in rural and regional parts of the state. The merged LNP entity seemed unable to deliver fully on either front.

    In this election the LNP was savaged in urban seats around Brisbane, while One Nation polled strongly in the regions, stealing LNP votes. The upshot was a fall in the LNP primary vote of 7-8 per cent overall.

  158. notafan

    It’s also where generations of people found a spouse.

    I agree

    As long as both are single it is perfectly fine.

    Of course a generation or two ago it would go without saying that dating a co-worker was in the expectation that said dating might lead to marriage and quite often there would be no hanky panky before said marriage (two generations ago)

  159. .

    Any fishos out there?

    I’m warming to this, but I was so indoctrinated about these fish the thought of eating them makes me wretch.

    Cooking Carp with Luke Pearce, DPI Fisheries

    I could eat Carp taramasalata. I still don’t know if I could eat carp.

    It really is amazing we don’t harvest all feral species. Buffalo for one is something I could go for. I’m even warming to cat…per the NT catterole. I’d still need to have dutch courage to go through with it though.

    I don’t think I could ever go for dog – too many disease issues personally. Plus I like dogs.

  160. Joe

    Criminalise faggotry, women out of the workforce.

  161. .

    Winston Smith
    #2567593, posted on November 27, 2017 at 11:02 am
    Dot,
    I watched it – illuminating.
    I wish I could put my thoughts into words as well as some people. (That’s a general wish, not just specifically to the item watched.)

    The video, particularly from the extracted TV piece, says it better than I can as well.

  162. My knowledge of libertarianism might be tainted by a small number of blowhards and chickenshits on here.

    Undoubtedly.

    Libertarian philosophy also has nothing to say about SSM, bicycle helmets, or what side of the road we drive on, either.

  163. .

    MV

    Pretty dang sure it implies making safety crap like bike helmets and hot water tempering valves be compulsory is wrong-headed and it ought to up to the end users or their parents/carers.

  164. H B Bear

    It’s virtually compulsory for teachers to marry teachers and doctors have been marrying nurses forever.
    ABC staffers as well.

    I think the ALPBC staff co-op members inter-marry to strengthen the hive. Some marry j’ism sprayers outside the co-op and that is an alternative entry point to winning J’ism lotto. And then employ their kids for the same reason. A few marry Liars politicians to keep the gene pool ticking over.

  165. notafan

    On the contrary

    These new laws will offer some protection for women subject to appalling sexual abuse by North Africans because they don’t walk around in black shrouds, providing a remedy for 11 year olds ‘seduced’ by those same North Africans who cannot now be prosecuted for rape.

    Macron is listening to the demands of the French people, good for him.

    Proposals that could be included in a 2018 draft law include criminalising street harassment and extending the statute of limitation for the rape of minors to 30 years from 20 years. Macron also said he was personally in favour of setting the age of sexual consent at 15. Currently France has no minimum age for sexual consent.

    in Belgium but as the article notes France has the same probleme

  166. areff

    The thing I found interesting about the SMH story this morning is that it was a joint “investigation” with the ABC. I wonder if Spicer will be quite so courageous when it comes to ‘stories’ about those two organisations. In short: nope. She won’t.

    Well here’s one for starters, and from only last year.

  167. Arky, so how do you feel about my oft stated opinion that Libertarianism is a philosophy that:
    1. Was infiltrated by the Marxists and subverted.
    2. Suitable for people who were too vain to say they were Communists.
    3. An important ideology that is helping moving us toward world peace.
    4. An unhinged thinking process by pretentious wankers with an eye on the chickie babes.
    5. An excellent idea.

  168. Joe

    MV:

    Libertarian philosophy also has nothing to say about SSM, bicycle helmets, or what side of the road we drive on, either.

    In order:
    SSM: Up to the individual. However, it could be argued that the addition of a class of people to the institution of marriage lessens it in the eyes of the current holders. This lessening could be seen as an attack on the right of association and on that basis argued against.

    Bicycle helmets:Up to the individual as the only person injured would be the rider.

    Side of the road to drive on:Libertarianism would say that your right to drive on any side of the road you wish to stops when you encounter another’s vehicle. So you have NO right to drive on any side of the road.

  169. areff

    I still don’t know if I could eat carp.

    Millions of chinamen, balinese and others have no such qualms. The only good thing about my one trip to Bali was the carp at a flash eatery in Ubud.

  170. Pretty dang sure it implies making safety crap like bike helmets and hot water tempering valves be compulsory is wrong-headed and it ought to up to the end users or their parents/carers.

    No Dot, you are looking at the wrong end of the piece of string. The starting point of the piece of string is socialised medicine (Medicare). Once you grant government the power to socialise the delivery of medical care, then you also create a political responsibility for the government to minimise the cost of that care. The other end of that piece of string is bicycle helmets and hot water valves.

    The libertarian argument can only be against the socialisation of medical care in the first place. Once that is granted all other government excesses in its implementation are “necessary” and “valid”.

  171. .

    I’m not wrong, neither are you.

  172. Aristogeiton

    Rev. Archibald
    #2567547, posted on November 27, 2017 at 10:19 am

    The trolling I could overlook, if you weren’t such a whiny little bitch.

  173. Boambee John

    Dot at 1105

    I don’t think I could ever go for dog – too many disease issues personally. Plus I like dogs.

    Prince Charles’ stepson Parker-Bowles, wrote a book “The Year of Eating Dangerously” about a culinary tour of the world. He ate (or rather tried to eat) dog in South Korea. Said it tasted OK, but couldn’t finish because he caught a whiff of it with one mouthful.

    The distinctive odour of wet dog!

  174. BorisG

    Arky you are not even funny anymore. Last night people were really concerned about your wellbeing.

  175. Joe

    MV, on the “what to do” decisions, Libertarianism falls down on the use of force to force individuals to a collective solution. The side of the road and the SSM issues are examples of this. In both of these cases, since there is nothing in Libertarianism to help decide for or against, then I would seek advice from tradition. Tradition is the collective plebiscite over time on a issue that impinges on individual rights by the collective for the benefit of all. It is far superior to a single plebiscite in that it has been tested over time.

    So, in Australia the tradition has been to drive on the left side of the road, and marriage has been between man and woman.

  176. Top Ender

    All of this could be avoided were parents to raise their boys to be gentlemen.

    The Christian Brothers school I attended tried hard to do this. Of course, we were such monsters it was an uphill battle.

    But some of it probably worked. Holding the door open for a female to go through first was mandatory for example, and I reckon those of us who passed through the institution still do that today.

    We had compulsory dancing lessons with the girls from a nearby school. Teachers circulated to smack the hand with a ruler of anyone who lowered their hand from the small of the girl’s back.

  177. cynical1

    Phillipa, with all due respect, around 75% of all permanent relationships start out as a meeting in the workplace. This is hardly surprising since most people spend three quarters of their functional time at work. Is it possible you are still single because of your rigid, uncompromising standards?

    Only for shinyarses.

    Didn’t used to be much totty on building sites.

    I suppose with gay marriage, it might be different.

  178. entropy

    Frolicking, I suspect that Argo puppet could be in trouble, having watched a few episodes when the co host suddenly looks rather startled.

  179. Rae

    Pippa and Beau.

    That’s sweet. Where’s Johnny Depp? And Barnaby Joyce?

  180. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Don’t like a lecherous pig at work and the management won’t do anything? Leave, as it’s a terrible place to work.

    Good advice, and if you can’t take it because you want to keep the job, just tell him publicly to get lost, and to stop bothering you. Never fail to make his unwelcome advances clear to him and to all around him. These creeps don’t like daylight. Or ridicule. Only bring the police into it if you are molested in a serious way. There are laws about physical assault that you can invoke; you don’t need special feminazi laws. If he simply has a case of half-wandering stray hands or leers or invasion of personal space, slap him off and ridicule his needs while making clear you need to be free of his pestiferous behavior.

  181. Geriatric Mayfly

    Gosford Anglican firebrand Father Rod Bower shared an image on Twitter of him and his “friends” with chains around their necks locked to the gates of Kirribilli House.

    His Reverence the Archdeacon will revel in this. From a backwater provincial vicar to a firebrand in one stroke of the pen.

  182. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    The Rudd government and Gillard governments have extremely impressive records. In fact in 2012 we’ve had the second most pages of legislation passed in Commonwealth parliamentary history, and this is despite a supposedly unworkable hung parliament. … Both Rudd and Gillard are good communicators. Rudd was an excellent communicator with the public and Gillard was better within the parliament and caucus.

    — Bronwyn Hinz

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