Open Forum: November 25, 2017

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  1. Rabz

    All the towers of ivory are crumbling
    And the swallows have sharpened their beaks
    This is the time of our great undoing
    This is the time that I’ll come running …

    So, you’d better run, I tells ya.

  2. Whalehunt Fun

    I like traffic lights

  3. Baldrick

    16th Battalion A.I.F

    O’Meara, Martin (1885–1935)
    On 9-12 August 1916, the 16th Battalion mounted an attack on German positions at Mouquet Farm near Pozières. Devastating German artillery fire caused heavy casualties. During this period O’Meara, then acting as a stretcher-bearer, behaved in a manner which led one officer to describe him as ‘the most fearless and gallant soldier I have ever seen’. He was credited with having saved the lives of over twenty-five wounded men by carrying them in from no man’s land ‘under conditions that are undescribable’. Even after the battalion was relieved O’Meara returned to the front line through the bombardment to rescue two wounded comrades despite having himself ‘reached a position of comparative safety’. At other times he had, on his own initiative, brought up much-needed supplies of grenades, ammunition and food. For these actions O’Meara was awarded the Victoria Cross.
    O’Meara was discharged from the A.I.F. in Perth in November 1919. His war experiences caused a complete breakdown in his health for he spent the rest of his life in military hospitals, suffering from chronic mania.

  4. Rafe Champion

    Niki Sava The Aust Aug 11 2016

    If Americans want to elect a pig as their president, then they should go right ahead and vote for Donald Trump. I hope they don’t because I think the American people are better than that, but who can predict anything with certainty after Brexit in Britain, then the federal election here?

    Trump has not done or said anything that could lead you to believe that, if elected, he would change. There is nothing about him that suggests he can be civilised or tamed or controlled.

  5. Snoopy

    Is Niki Savva Monty’s mum?

  6. zyconoclast

    Niki Sava The Aust Aug 11 2016

    Next, she will predict a Maocolm victory.

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Baldrick
    #2565141, posted on November 25, 2017 at 12:15 am

    16th Battalion A.I.F

    As a young and impressionable teenager, I served with 16 RWAR, and Martin O’Meara, VC was awarded another of the highest honors that can ever be awarded – the unit boozer was named after him..

  8. Baldrick

    …the unit boozer was named after him..

    I’ll drink to that 🍻

  9. JC

    Some stupid questions.

    Are there a lot of virgins in the Virgin Islands?

    Are there any unguided missiles?

    Are you breaking the law if you drive past those road signs that say “Do Not Pass”?

    Can a stupid person be a smart-ass?

    Can fat people go skinny-dipping?

    Do cemetery workers prefer the graveyard shift?

    Do fish get thirsty?

    Do pilots take crash-courses?

    Do vampires get AIDS?

    Does a man-eating shark eat women, too?

    Does an analyst have to be anal?

    How can someone “draw a blank”?

    How can there be self-help “groups”?

  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    …the unit boozer was named after him..

    I’ll drink to that 🍻

    Went back to re – enlist as a reservist, in 16RWAR, after a few years as a regular. Was very solemnly presented with a piece of paper, and told “This is your service number, Don’t ever forget it.” I asked, as a re enlistee, could I have my old number back.” “Yes, what was it?”

    “536###”

    “No, you must be wrong. You would have enlisted in the early 1970’s. That number was allocated before I signed up.”

    I got sprung when a certain Warrant Officer, in all his martial glory, of polished brass, and pace stick , looked at the recruiting docs, looked at me and said “(Two Alpha,) what have we done wrong to deserve you back?”

  11. JC

    Whose cruel idea was it for the word ‘lisp’ to have an ‘s’ in it?

    Why are cigarettes sold in gas stations when smoking is prohibited there?

    Why are highways build so close to the ground?

    Why are some gay people so unhappy?

    More here.

  12. JC

    Why is brassiere singular and panties plural?

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Why is brassiere singular and panties plural?

    Why did Kamikaze pilots wear crash helmets?

    Why isn’t the word “palindrome” spelt the same way backwards as well as forwards?

    Why are there locks on the doors of 24 hour a day, 7 days a week, supermarkets?

  14. JC

    A couple of questions. Hopefully not stupid.

    Property settlement disbursements are done with bank cheques?

    If so why wouldn’t a bank wouldn’t be cleared funds on the same day , or at least next day?

  15. johanna

    Zynoclast, thanks for the clip of Van Morrison and J L Hooker playing Gloria. The tension between them as competing artists is almost palpable.

    It’s worth posting here Van’s original Gloria, which is a fair bit watered down. To me, it sounds a lot wimpier than the single I own. But, in those days, it was explosive.

    Here is a better one.

    To young Cats who wonder why this matters, being able to play Gloria on the guitar was an initiation rite to almost every would-be guitarist after 1970. 🙂

  16. JC

    Liz Whitehurst dabbled in several careers before she ended up here, crating fistfuls of fresh-cut arugula in the early-November chill.

    The hours were better at her nonprofit jobs. So were the benefits. But two years ago, the 32-year-old Whitehurst — who graduated from a liberal arts college and grew up in the Chicago suburbs — abandoned Washington for this three-acre farm in Upper Marlboro, Md.

    She joined a growing movement of highly educated, ex-urban, first-time farmers who are capitalizing on booming consumer demand for local and sustainable foods and who, experts say, could have a broad impact on the food system.

    interesting

    For only the second time in the last century, the number of farmers under 35 years old is increasing, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s latest Census of Agriculture. Sixty-nine percent of the surveyed young farmers had college degrees — significantly higher than the general population.

    This new generation can’t hope to replace the numbers that farming is losing to age. But it is already contributing to the growth of the local-food movement and could help preserve the place of midsize farms in the rural landscape.

    “We’re going to see a sea change in American agriculture as the next generation gets on the land,” said Kathleen Merrigan, the head of the Food Institute at George Washington University and a deputy secretary at the Department of Agriculture under President Barack Obama. “The only question is whether they’ll get on the land, given the challenges.”

    The number of farmers age 25 to 34 grew 2.2 percent between 2007 and 2012, according to the 2014 USDA census, a period when other groups of farmers — save the oldest — shrunk by double digits. In some states, such as California, Nebraska and South Dakota, the number of beginning farmers has grown by 20 percent or more.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/a-growing-number-of-young-americans-are-leaving-desk-jobs-to-farm/2017/11/23/e3c018ae-c64e-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.d13e579b4042

    I’m not bullshitting, as I really have never cared about food in terms of how it’s grown etc. I could no longer eat eggs like scrambled or fried as they made me feel like crap. I’d feel like was thirsty but wasn’t and they actually altered my mood. As a result I avoid eggs in the morning and lunch.

    Last week we were in the country and my bro in law prepared breakfast for a large herd. He made scrambled eggs and bacon I tucked into. A few hours later, driving home I said to wifey I had no side effects from the eggs. She told me that he has a chicken pen on the farm.

    I’m going to experiment a little and see if organic eggs work with me.

  17. Makka

    For the sailors and guitar nuts.

    ” I have been arouuuuuuuuuuuuuund the world”

  18. johanna

    Nice choice, JC. Van is unusual for performing artists in that he is very introverted. He can summon up his strength now and then to do a blistering show, but it’s not his thing, at all.

    He’s also not a particularly notable singer, in the technical sense.

    He just has that Irish gift of hitting the spot.

  19. vr

    JC,
    Have you seen the egg store in Parahan market? I’ve bought from them and their free-range one were good .

  20. johanna

    Last week we were in the country and my bro in law prepared breakfast for a large herd. He made scrambled eggs and bacon I tucked into. A few hours later, driving home I said to wifey I had no side effects from the eggs. She told me that he has a chicken pen on the farm.

    I’m going to experiment a little and see if organic eggs work with me.

    Always good to have a resident hypochondriac and food nutcase to remind us what normal is.

  21. JC

    Yea I ‘ve seen it, vr. Wifey buys free range and they also have that effect on me. I’ll try organic and see how that works and if it doesn’t I’ll view that country meal as an aberration.

    I reckon that perfection of imperfection suggestion I made recently has some legs. The term doesn’t come from me, as I got it from watching this silly program on tailoring etc. Why? I was channel surfing on Apple TV. 🙂 People here seem to be worried about robots taking over lots of jobs and I’m sure they will. But I also think there will some very important market segmentation where the rich world demands more products and services created by humans that may not look or behave perfectly like when they’re made by robots.

    Just a guess where I think we’re headed in a much bigger way. That’s where I think jobs will come from.

  22. JC

    Always good to have a resident hypochondriac and food nutcase to remind us what normal is.

    I’ve been to the doc twice this entire year. One was to get rid of a cough from the flu and this week to get a referral for my annual low dose contrast cat scan of my chest to check for lung cancer as a result on smoking. I had today, so the jury is still out.

    Eggs are the the only thing that have had an effect on me.

  23. Makka

    Just a guess where I think we’re headed in a much bigger way. That’s where I think jobs will come from.

    Giving massages and taking dinner orders?

  24. Mark A

    JC
    #2565184, posted on November 25, 2017 at 2:07 am

    Yea I ‘ve seen it, vr. Wifey buys free range and they also have that effect on me. I’ll try organic and see how that works and if it doesn’t I’ll view that country meal as an aberration.

    My brother who runs the family farms keeps truly organic free range chooks, not the kind that runs 1000 to an acre, I am sensitive to eggs to a certain degree, probably not as severe as yours and those eggs have no effect on me at all. (eggs-problems- usually some liver problem)

  25. JC

    Makka
    Read the story above about the farm sector seeing it’s second increase in participation in 100 years. A large number of these people have university degrees. Also, a large number are peddling all sorts of greenie feel good stuff. It doesn’t matter if you or I laugh at it, but that segment is growing at a very fast clip. If we hadn’t ignored it, we’d have got into Wholefoods when it first IPO’ed and now sold to Amazon. Don’t be a dinosaur. Disrespect tastes etc, but respect the market supplying to these new fad needs.

    Dude, if you’re harking back to the days on a large unionized mining workforce. Forget it, as most of those jobs will be gone in 20 years.

    There will be tons of opportunities in fields we haven’t even thought about yet.

  26. JC

    (eggs-problems- usually some liver problem)

    Humans or the chooks?

  27. Mark A

    JC
    #2565190, posted on November 25, 2017 at 2:30 am

    (eggs-problems- usually some liver problem)

    Humans or the chooks?

    Humans I’m afraid.

  28. JC, what time of year I you looking to stay in NYC for those three months? I assume you are going to avoid the summer.

  29. Mark A

    JC
    #2565189, posted on November 25, 2017 at 2:29 am
    Dude, if you’re harking back to the days on a large unionized mining workforce. Forget it, as most of those jobs will be gone in 20 years.

    I work in the field and where used to be thousands of miners, you’d be lucky to find hundreds
    and very few actually work underground.

  30. JC

    DB

    If we get it, as we still have to go through the board.. Wifey wants to do the two best months.. May/June and the get back for November Thanksgiving and kid’s birthday…

    I want to do 12 months 🙂

    We’re going through mediation.

  31. JC

    Makka

    I work in the field and where used to be thousands of miners, you’d be lucky to find hundreds
    and very few actually work underground.

    BHP has what, around 60,000 employees? I reckon that will head down by more than half.

    Mining the crap will require very few people as most of it will be remotely. Sure there will be people at the mine, but just a fractions. Trucks are even now unmanned or starting to be. The train will be unmanned and the ship will be too.

  32. Pete of Perth

    The sea is an unforgiving place. Unmanned ships are unlikely.

  33. Makka

    Dude, if you’re harking back to the days on a large unionized mining workforce. Forget it, as most of those jobs will be gone in 20 years.

    Don’t be silly. I referred to this inane comment;

    “where the rich world demands more products and services created by humans that may not look or behave perfectly like when they’re made by robots.”

    I have no love at all of unions but you’re dreaming if mining and resources jobs will be gone in 20 years. Africa alone will have around 2 Billion people so demand for all kinds of resources will be well supported, as well as foods.

    “There will be tons of opportunities in fields we haven’t even thought about yet.”
    To some extent yes. But the most opportunities will grow out of fields we now know but new discoveries in science and tech will propel advances much much faster and further than we expect. IMO

  34. JC

    Pete

    I reckon a ship would be easier to sail unmanned than an unmanned car negotiating city traffic.

    Someone once suggested that the future of flying a commercial airliner is a captain and a dog in the cockpit. The dog is trained to bite the captain’s hand if he touches the controls.

  35. JC

    Africa alone will have around 2 Billion people so demand for all kinds of resources will be well supported, as well as foods

    Africa is fucking massive. 2 billion people is nothing to them.

    My point is that we shgouldn’t sweat where the jobs are coming from. What we should be worried about is the fall in the capital to labor ration… like I suspect in Australia.

  36. Mark A

    JC
    #2565202, posted on November 25, 2017 at 2:53 am

    Pete

    I reckon a ship would be easier to sail unmanned than an unmanned car negotiating city traffic.

    Someone once suggested that the future of flying a commercial airliner is a captain and a dog in the cockpit. The dog is trained to bite the captain’s hand if he touches the controls.

    Even now it’s a fact, the only reason to keep the crew bc the equipment on board an mostly on the ground can become inoperative.

  37. JC

    Don’t be silly. I referred to this inane comment;

    “where the rich world demands more products and services created by humans that may not look or behave perfectly like when they’re made by robots.”

    Look at the massive rise in demand for organic food for instance….obviously by rich imbeciles. That’s a sort example of what I’m suggesting. Organic food production is a form of bespoke farming.

  38. Makka

    Mining the crap will require very few people as most of it will be remotely. Sure there will be people at the mine, but just a fractions. Trucks are even now unmanned or starting to be. The train will be unmanned and the ship will be too.

    You said 20 years. Mining the same volumes will require less people yes but volumes over time will increase too. The big mining co’s can get economies of scale investing in the comms , hardware and tech for driverless trucks but a lot of other mines don’t have that advantage just yet. It’s a very big space with all kinds of different players.

    There’s no doubt that over the next 20 years the rate of change is going to be mind boggling.

  39. JC

    There’s no doubt that over the next 20 years the rate of change is going to be mind boggling.

    Yea. A more accurate way of saying it.

  40. JC

    Here’s another example, Makka.

    Barrons was advertising an app that allowed you to buy seats on private jets in the US and elsewhere. In some cases they can actually be cheaper than flying a regular jet.

    I just opened the app and looked at their “deals”. There’s a flight today from Portland to NAPA on a Citiation for 360 bucks! Another example of the rich world going bespoke.

    Here’s one: Nassau to Miami to 490 bucks on a Gulfstream 1v. That’s a serious fucking jet! The flight would be about the same cost as a Jet Blue flight.

    Houston to Boca Ratan 600 bucks on a another Gulfstream 1v.

  41. Makka

    I’m more interested in understanding the opportunities and effects thrown up in situations like the effects of growing wealth in EM’s. It’s a massive demographic trend with decades to run yet. China is well advanced but there’s lots of Asia, India , Sth Am and Africa still travel up the ramp.

  42. Makka

    That private jet app looks amazing alright. Is it free?

  43. Mitch M.

    How environmental insults can lead to Parkinson’s disease

    Good progress there, ties up some loose ends in the search for causation. Also explains why some pesticides elevate the risk because these are mitochondrial toxins, there are studies highlighting farm workers have elevated rates of Parkinson’s. One of the weirdest things I found though was that non-smoking men who consumed a litre plus of milk a day had an elevated risk. I have a hunch about that and repeated studies produce like results. Because nitric oxide production is compartmentalised for 2 types of the enzyme, I suspect it is what is known as “inducible” NOS(nitric oxide synthase), which is not compartmentalised, is probably the culprit here. For myself though the problem is that recent studies highlight how simply preventing immune cell penetration into the CNS can markedly stop Parkinson’s progression(animal model). It is probably these cells producing the nitric oxide because if peripheral immune cells are entering the CNS it is probably as a result of an inflammatory signal and inflammatory immune cells can produce nitric oxide at high rates. Just this week exactly the same finding for Multiple Sclerosis – stop the immune cell penetration, disease nearly stops. How times have changed, it was less than 20 years ago the prevailing view was that immune cells rarely penetrated the CNS. The concept of immune privilege for the CNS is dead and buried.

  44. Tom

    Mark Knight on Dickhead Dan’s latest Melbourne airport rail thought bubble.

  45. Tom

    If you wonder why I rarely post cartoons from the nihilist European swamp, this evil Alinskyist garbage from one of the activists at Communists’R’Us (the Guardian) was voted the UK’s Cartoon of the Year on Thursday night. God help England.

  46. Here’s the full recording of Wilfrid Laurier [University] reprimanding Lindsay Shepherd for showing a Jordan Peterson video

    This is Kafkaesque in its absurdity and Orwellian in its malevolence. We need that women with the riding crop riding into that department and beating them silly. These Augean Stables need to be cleaned.

    h/t: Quillette. grudingly, if only because the article stupidly makes a gratutious reference to the Enlightenment, as if universities before the 18th Century had engaged in this reprehensible behaviour. When will these people stop making reflexive references to ‘the Enlightenment’ and instead critically examine whether what we are seeing now was a distinct possibility given ‘the Enlightenment’s’ own principles.

  47. entropy

    Eggs are the the only thing that have had an effect on me.

    Egads! What do you eat with bacon?

  48. entropy

    Qld election: LNP on line ads invisible; ALP online ads everywhere.

    I reckon the LNP hierarchy are saving the budget to try to bail out our potentially great PM soon. Real soon.

    Well that and no one donates to the useless fags anymore.

  49. entropy

    The number of farmers age 25 to 34 grew 2.2 percent between 2007 and 2012, according to the 2014 USDA census, a period when other groups of farmers — save the oldest — shrunk by double digits.

    Sounds like the seventies. Get out of the city and targeting cottage industry production too. Difference though is the wealthy demographic that wants virtue with their eggs and can afford to buy is bigger.

  50. Farmer Gez

    Mitch M.
    You give me a pesticide as a possible cause of Parkinson or MS and I’ll give you a virus. In my humble uneducated mind those little mongrels leave their calling card with millions of people and they adapt through mutation.
    Parkinson’s was linked with farming folk and pesticides a while ago but researchers did not tell the punters the age factor with farmers which skewed the findings badly.

  51. min

    LNP Federal do not have much money either . Will Malcolm put in another million or so when election called soon as the number of by elections that will be necessary after the dual citizenship debacle is sorted will cost more?

  52. Gab

    Egads! What do you eat with bacon?

    A side serve of bacon, of course.

  53. struth

    Good moaning.
    Labor rabid in QLD and out everywhere with everything from tv to auto phone calls and red shirted communists with obvious signs of interbreeding handing out pamphlets.

    Next visible is PHON.
    Liberals……….?
    Are they running?

    Any how, without the corruption of our vote losing friends at the AEC I believe PHON would have and maybe still will be a major surprise up here.

  54. John Comnenus

    The ALP has Alan Jones campaigning hard against coal mining immediately after complaining about high electricity prices. Alan Jones has gone full greentard and will proabably help Palaszcuk win again..

  55. pete m

    Why would any sane person give their hard earned after tax money to a political party, any party, which pisses it away on crap ads and then acts in power like dicks?

    off on a cruise – lizzie, we’ll be passing the Sydney heads around 6pm on Explorer of the Seas. I’ll be the guy waving madly 😉

  56. pete m

    sorry meant to add Sunday is cruise departure day

  57. Bear Necessities

    Good moaning.
    Labor rabid in QLD and out everywhere with everything from tv to auto phone calls and red shirted communists with obvious signs of interbreeding handing out pamphlets.
    Next visible is PHON.
    Liberals……….?
    Are they running?
    Any how, without the corruption of our vote losing friends at the AEC I believe PHON would have and maybe still will be a major surprise up here.

    When I was walking down Eagle St in Brisbane last week, I saw an LNP vehicle with a face I recognised plastered on it. The face on the car was a bloke I worked with many years ago. He is now the LNP candidate for an Inner Brisbane State electorate. Based on my experiences with him back then you would not let him near any position which he had power over others in either business or politics.

    Because the LNP are losing membership they have to resort to this quality of candidate. It is not surprising they are finding it hard to get people to staff polling booths if they have to support this type of candidate.

  58. classical_hero

    Dover, more like the Endarkenment.

  59. Gab

    Where you heading off to, Pete m? Vanuatu, Noumea?

  60. Ragu

    If so why wouldn’t a bank wouldn’t be cleared funds on the same day , or at least next day?

    In the same vein

    Why would a cheque stamped “treasury of the commonwealth of Australia” take 3 to 5 day’s to clear? It’s the fucking government, they have the money.

  61. calli

    Oh great. 230 dead in a mosque attack in Egypt.

    Let’s import more diversity! Sounds wonderful.

  62. calli

    Linky.

    I’m going there in April. Any suggestions on best value body armour?

  63. entropy

    Bear, the problem is that getting elected is the easiest way for dickheads like that to get themselves a job that pays that much. An express lift straight to the one percenters’ club.

  64. John Constantine

    Pesticides were linked with farmers that grew chickpeas getting Parkinson’s in a famous media report not long ago.

    The actual research was an embarrassing and unscientific link, where a kid told their ABC that because more farmers in the wimmera have Parkinson’s than the Australian average, and the wimmera grows more chickpeas than average, and chickpeas use more chemicals to grow than average, then chickpea chemicals cause Parkinson’s.

    Their ABC never checked that chickpeas have only been a common crop for twenty odd years, and the old blokes with Parkinson’s weren’t the boomspray drivers doing the Chem applications.

    Also ignored were the demographic facts that the wimmera farmer convoy was one, if not two decades older than the average melbournibad age.

    The average wimmera farmer is also more likely to be balding, grumpy and convinced his country has been sold out and ruined by politicians than the average melbournibad voteherds, and that wasn’t caused by chickpeas either.

    Comrades.

  65. entropy

    Why would any sane person give their hard earned after tax money to a political party, any party, which pisses it away on crap ads and then acts in power like dicks?

    Buy a political party and at least those dicks will be your dicks, and you get to swing them.

  66. herodotus

    Paige Taylor in The Weekend Australian (extract):
    I was stunned into silence the first time I saw a refugee reach Australian soil; it was a hot Saturday afternoon, February 24, 2007, and I stood with notebook and pen ­behind a waist-high barricade on the Christmas Island jetty.
    The new arrivals smiled and waved. They carried bottled water and wore baseball caps given to them by young navy crew from HMAS Success, which days earlier had rescued them from their stricken vessel. It seemed astonishing that these 82 Sri Lankan men and one boy had made it ­almost all the way across the deep ocean of the Java Trench in a small wooden boat, and miraculous that they had been plucked to ­safety. I felt proud these victims of civil war had chosen us and that we would help them.
    I cannot be sure of the moment my heart began to harden. It took a long time but I felt I lost my soul a little bit in the next decade. During 17 assignments to Christmas ­Island, I learned a lot about liars, opportunists and innocent victims while reporting on the more than 50,000 asylum-seekers who reached Australia by boat and the estimated 1200 who died trying.
    The idea that an asylum-seeker could be digging for water inside a derelict offshore camp ­established by my own government would have brought me to tears at one time. But I was wary this month when that bleak scenario was acted out. I was mostly ­unmoved by the words of men at the old Manus Island camp who refused to move to the new accommodation built for them. Instead, I wondered immediately if refugee advocates had encouraged these wretched souls to hold out.
    I am now out of step with — among many others — my union, the organisation of journalism professionals …

  67. Eyrie

    I found out chickpeas have to be defoliated by spraying before harvest .

  68. Eyrie

    The Sri Lankan government had exactly the right idea about the Tamil Tigers at their last stand. Method should be used more often.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Me: “You’ll never guess what Al Franken did.”
    Mrs L: “No, what?”
    Me: “Allow me to demonstrate.”

    Mrs L: “Piss off.”
    Another cunning plan foiled.

  70. John Constantine

    Chickpeas have to be sprayed by the calendar, they are the JC’s of the crop world, they catch everything going around.

    Then they get frosted the week after the last boomspray pass.

    Still punting a paddock next year though.

  71. stackja

    Alan Stuart Franken (born May 21, 1951) is an American writer, comedian, and politician serving as the junior United States Senator from Minnesota since 2009.

    Joke’s on Minn.

  72. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #2565287, posted on November 25, 2017 at 7:58 am

    Linky.

    I’m going there in April. Any suggestions on best value body armour?

    Egypt is on my no-go list.
    In fact, anything in Africa north of Pretoria is doubtful for me.

  73. v_maet

    JC @2:53am.

    Automated shipping is quite difficult. We have dynamic under keel clearance but accounting for rapidly changing waves, winds, currents, tides etc mean that people will be needed.

  74. calli

    I’m off to Israel, so thought I’d chuck in the pyramids and Abu Simbel. I love Agatha, but don’t want to be the new version of “Death on the Nile”.

  75. Rockdoctor

    Out where I work I have a choice, am radio & am radio. Can’t stand the ABC Regional as they seem to be wall to wall arts these days so it is am commercial. Alan Jones is truly a piece of work, the self reflection is near non existent. I’ve sat there with Grad’s in the car in amazement at how he can contradict himself so many times in an hour. Coal mining bad but high power prices bad… He either doesn’t care what he is shoveling or doesn’t listen to what he is saying. I would say the former as no one could possibly be that clueless…

  76. Eyrie

    With satcoms I think boats will be able to be driven remotely when close to shore. Out in the open ocean automation will hold sway unless you are the 7th Fleet who are starting to look like the 7th Cavalry.

  77. Eyrie

    Rockdoctor, pal of mine once described ABC radio as ” arts, farts and bleeding hearts”.

  78. Bruce of Newcastle

    LNP Federal do not have much money either .

    Last evening’s Seven News had a very interesting Bennelong report…on Cory and the AC.
    The report had footage of AC members with all sorts of professional political materials – stuff to hand out, posters and whatnot. Furthermore the fact that the item ever appeared on Seven News at all suggests to me it was paid for, since otherwise you’d suspect the AC would never be seen on any MSM channel.

    Which shows the brain-dead stupidity of the Liberal Party. The people who might once have felt the urge to donate to the LNP are the exact same people the LNP has burned. The soft left which the Libs seem to be chasing are so disengaged and naïve there is no way they’d get a razoo out of them. No wonder the Libs have no money…but the AC does.

    Good. I hope Photios and Textor and their mates get the message…applied to their bums by size twelves.

  79. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m off to Israel

    You know Bibi is married and his son is a Nazi,
    right Calli?

  80. lotocoti

    Automated shipping is quite difficult.

    Impossible in Oz waters with the MUA.

  81. notafan

    I listened to part of that Lindsay Shepherd audio.

    Three pompous bullies, pretending that the position they took was reasonable. There was no reason or logic involved, just the sort of outrageous party line you’d expect from a commisar.

    She was terrified because their arguments were so absurb it was Kafkaesque.and she thought freedom of thought was real.

    Enlightenment ensmitenment.

    It’s the root cause of the problem, not that that really makes any difference.

  82. Tom

    Calli, President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi has vowed “brute force” against the IS dregs who perpetrated the latest mass murder. I’ve given up trying to analyse all the moozley splits and sects: the latest was an attack on Sufis, who are mostly Sunnis and Islamic State is mostly Sunni.

    However, it’s pretty obvious all the IS killers tipped out of their pretend-caliphate in Syria and the now lawless Libya can successfully attack only soft targets in Egypt as el-Sisi is doing a good job of protecting the country’s major foreign currency earner, tourism.

    So just stay away from crowds of foreign tourists, especially when they’re sitting ducks sipping coffee, etc, and runways suitable for truck attacks.

  83. areff

    Dover: So taken was I by the recording of that young lady’s encounter with the New Establishment’s three stooges at Laurier University I felt compelled to dash off a note of “support” to one of her inquisitors. Correspondence below:

    Comrade,
    I write from far off Australia after reading about your persecution for defending genuine academic ethics in the case of that silly girl and her promotion of Jordan Petersen. I know an apology has been made, but I also know that sometimes strategic retreats win wars — and none of us with an active interest in the preparation of young minds is going to take that mea culpa seriously. Rest assured you continue to enjoy the esteem of your colleagues on the other side of the world.

    And take heart too that you are on the side of the angels in this. The “free and open” university life your problematic lecturer advocates produced generations of homophobes, sexists, transabhoric reactionaries, not to mention wars, capitalist exploitation, the rape of the environment and now-certain demise of our Great Barrier Reef.

    There are only two things you need to change:

    1/ Vet job applicants more closely so that white supremacist quislings do not get a foot in the door (we are very rigorous in this regard in Australia; you would never, ever find someone like this silly girl in one of our journalism schools).

    2/ make absolutely sure no audio recordings are made of confidential meetings. You could, perhaps, insist on a body search for “concealed weapons”.

    Best wishes and strength for the fight.

    etc etc

    PS: Have you thought about taking legal action for breach of privacy?

    “Lawfare” is one of the most valuable tools we have in advancing the progressive agenda. Indeed, not so long ago over here, a vile and racist conservative supremacist columnist, Andrew Bolt, was brought to heel by just such a legal action. His offensive column is no longer allowed to be read and his employer was burdened by enormous legal bills. These tactics work and I cannot recommend them strongly enough. “Judge shopping” also helps.

    Also, it would be worth pointing out that her sneakily recorded violation of academic trust has been edited to present you and the other questioners in the worst possible light.

    Minutes later, despite the university having apologised, one of the trio came back with a plea that I contact his superiors and express my support for the original bullying:

    Thank you for your support. Please consider writing also to the President of Wlu Deborah MacLatchy [email protected] and dean of arts Richard Nemesvari
    [email protected]

    All best,

    Nathan

    Now I’m safe, come the revolution. No need to hang more than one red tablecloth out the window when the forces of progress roll through Melbourne. Che-like, but with less hair, I’ve established my street cred.

  84. Chris

    So just stay away from crowds of foreign tourists, especially when they’re sitting ducks sipping coffee, etc, and runways suitable for truck attacks.

    But even more stay away from crowds of locals.

  85. Andreas

    Wait I thought Islamic terrorist attacks occurred because of Islamophobia. Egypt is Islamophobic?

  86. calli

    So just stay away from crowds of foreign tourists, especially when they’re sitting ducks sipping coffee, etc, and runways suitable for truck attacks.

    Az zee mazter of disguise, I vill fit een with zee locals…zey vill nevair suzpect. 😀

    Seriously though, I always check out crowded places, it’s become second nature. Sad really. Hard to avoid if you’re off to the Cairo souk – thanks to Ellen of Tas, I want to visit the Tent Makers of Cairo who have a shop there. We’re also doing a Nile cruise. Apparently there are pirates.

    It’s my Year of Visiting Dangerously.

  87. Nick

    Seriously though, I always check out crowded places, it’s become second nature. Sad really. Hard to avoid if you’re off to the Cairo souk – thanks to Ellen of Tas, I want to visit the Tent Makers of Cairo who have a shop there. We’re also doing a Nile cruise. Apparently there are pirates.

    Calli, while the Souk is labyrinthine, it’s not that bad. I’m still undergoing counseling from my trip to Egypt, awful people.

  88. H B Bear

    ALPBC news reporting attack by “militants”. No Googles G Islamic terrorists, the same ones attacking the West in France, UK, America and here. Fvckers.

  89. pete m

    hi Gab

    yeah 4 days at islands – l’fiti, vila, new caledonia and mystery island (vanuatu)

    last 2 days on land weather is supposed to be not nice, but overall looking good

    funny timing but my sister booked a carnival cruise that left for similar waters 2 days ago – we’ll pass each other tuesday night on the open seas – we’re close but not close enough to share a cruise!!

    December is always a good time to get away from local shops / roads – people go extra nuts this time of year

    stay safe peoples

  90. calli

    areff! That was a Thing of Beauty!

    You forgot to mention pesky cartoonists though. Hound them long enough and they drop dead.

  91. Geriatric Mayfly

    Prepare for the ABC to start circling the wagons around Milligan. However, they had better get cracking, as all their sharp shooters will soon disappear for that well earned three month break.

  92. W Hogg

    Libertarian masturbation about declaring North Oz a state or territory to save it from inner city Greens.

    Dopes – what happens when Broome, Cairns, Darwin etc go hard Left, aided by the boongs voting greenleft because welfare and treaty and recognise and it’s racist to stop you raping your kids and beating your wife?

    ONE election and the country is instantly dead. 4 years later we will be sorry but there will be no mines. Look how the Goose hollowed out mining – how many new mines have opened since?

  93. notafan

    Areff.

    You have done Australia proud.

    No doubt the gentleman is enthusiastically scanning Australian academic help wanted ads at this very moment.

  94. Snoopy

    Areff’s missive raises an interesting question. Just how far over the top do you have to go before they realise it’s a pisstake? Is it even possible?

  95. calli

    Calli, while the Souk is labyrinthine, it’s not that bad. I’m still undergoing counseling from my trip to Egypt, awful people.

    The Beloved’s grandfather “visited” in 1916.

    He never forgot them either.

  96. Nick

    Areff, heh, we never want to lose you.

  97. Nick

    Not much has changed Calli. My forebears went through too. I should have burnt down a brothel in their memory.

  98. calli

    Zero self-awareness, Snoopy. It will never happen.

  99. Delta A

    Carolyn Overington has a thought-provoking piece in The $Oz today. The accompanying photo of the ambulance worker is simply beautiful.

    Life, sweet life, in a dying wish granted and a law to end it all

    In the week Victoria passed its euthanasia bill, a photo goes viral on the comfort of strangers

    You may have already seen the picture. It went viral during the week for all the right reasons. Paramedics in Hervey Bay, Queensland, were transporting a palliative care patient to hospital.

    She mentioned that she’d love to see the ocean one last time.

    So they took her.

    The image is stunning, and wouldn’t we all like to do that at the end of our lives? Pause a little, to drink in the beauty? Life, sweet life.

    To rtwt, Google: Life, sweet life, in a dying wish granted and a law to end it all

  100. cohenite

    dover_beach

    #2565238, posted on November 25, 2017 at 5:50 am

    Here’s the full recording of Wilfrid Laurier [University] reprimanding Lindsay Shepherd for showing a Jordan Peterson video

    srr used to link to Peterson’s adventures. What has happened to srr?

  101. Nick

    I’m off to Israel, so thought I’d chuck in the pyramids and Abu Simbel. I love Agatha, but don’t want to be the new version of “Death on the Nile”.

    Abu Simbel requires a (dodgy and expensive) flight from Aswan.

  102. areff

    Cats with nothing better to do might like to heed Professor Nathan Rambukkana’s counsel and contact his superiors at the email addresses he so thoughtfully provides. Lay it on with a trowel. The great thing about the New Establishment is that its sinecured hysterics are so all-encompassing in their activism, no parody can be recognised as such.

  103. notafan

    The bully is the victim.

    Liberalism is just like Islam, but for now with less guns and bombs.

    Incidentally the hardliners booted by el Sisi want back in and terror is their MO.

    Egyptian police, the wrong kind of mosque, Russian tourists and of course Christians.


    Toronto Sun on latest happenings at Wilfrid Laurier

  104. C.L.

    15,000 – FIFTEEN THOUSAND – new public servants in the SE corner will return the daffy incumbent to office today in Queensland.

  105. pete m

    cl, I’m embarrassed to live in qld with palacechook in power – just embarrassed.

  106. egg_

    15,000 – FIFTEEN THOUSAND – new public servants in the SE corner will return the daffy incumbent to office today in Queensland.

    There’s yer vote herd, right there!

  107. An automated telephone poll asked me if I was forced to choose between Lib/Lab who would I choose?
    I chose to hang up.

  108. Nick

    An automated telephone poll asked me if I was forced to choose between Lib/Lab who would I choose?

    A) Lib
    B) Lab
    C) Eat my own faeces

    C wins.

  109. notafan

    Calli look forward to your reports on Egypt. Israel is on my list, I wouldn’t mind Lebanon either.

    We had a few family members visit Egypt way back too, that will suffice, a couple went on to France and thought they’d stay.

    Baldrick’s VC story was where mine were at, Moocow farm and Poziers.

  110. lotocoti

    no parody can be recognised as such.

    I suspect they would fully embrace the legend of that Worker’s Hero, Stakhanov.

  111. calli

    Abu Simbel requires a (dodgy and expensive) flight from Aswan.

    Booked. Can’t be worse than PNG. Could it? 😬

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    If taking up areff’s excellent suggestion, one had best sharpen up one’s hand in gibberish and gobbledegook.
    The Faculty may have difficulty with plain English. See below for something of his, I posted some time ago.

    areff
    #2565381, posted on November 25, 2017 at 9:17 am
    Cats with nothing better to do might like to heed Professor Nathan Rambukkana’s counsel and contact his superiors at the email addresses he so thoughtfully provides. Lay it on with a trowel. The great thing about the New Establishment is that its sinecured hysterics are so all-encompassing in their activism, no parody can be recognised as such.


    My new research is on the history of digital intimacies. This project investigates the intimate potentials and problematics of social media forms, drawing critical insights from intimacy theory (a subset of queer theory), but extending its ambit to consider multiple forms of digitally mediated togetherness. This project employs discourse analysis in combination with digital humanities methodologies to investigate past, existing, and emerging forms of digitally mediated intimacy. These include such topics as hashtags as technosocial assemblages; MMOs and avatar infidelity; the politics of race-activist hashtags such as #Ferguson; haptics and digital touching; and the emerging sex robot industry. In conjunction with this project I also edited the collection Hashtag Publics: The Power and Politics of Discursive Networks (Digital Formations series, Peter Lang, 2015). This collection investigates the diversity of publics that hashtags address, with politics and positionalities ranging from subcultural and community maintenance; to speaking back to state, corporate and societal power and privilege. David Thompson

  113. jupes

    I’m off to Israel

    Lucky you Calli. So much history to see but make sure you find time to check out a winery or two. I recommend the Golan Heights.

  114. Snoopy

    Booked. Can’t be worse than PNG. Could it?

    No. Plane wreckage is much easier to find in the desert.

  115. Gab

    Pete m, same cruise we went on a few years ago with same cruise line. Thoroughly enjoyed it!! Hope you will too.

  116. Gab

    Calli when you get to Israel be sure to let Bibi know I’m still available 😍😍

  117. johanna

    Areff, you are a very naughty boy! 🙂

    On a serious note, what are the chances that the university would have apologised, or even stopped hounding her to perdition, if she hadn’t had the gumption to secretly record her interrogation? Buckley’s, IMO.

    Let’s be clear – they are not sorry for what they did. They are, however, sorry to the marrow of their bones that they got caught doing it. And, it would be naive to imagine that this is an isolated incident, some kind of weird aberration in an otherwise freewheeling environment.

    On the good side, young Lindsay has shown courage and moxie, and hopefully a more deserving employer will snap her up.

  118. calli

    But he isn’t, Gab. Is this a continuation of last night’s Fantasy Thread?

    Bodybuilding and Bibi.

  119. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Pete, I’ll leave a couple of top verandah spotlights on although at 6pm Sunday in summertime they might not show much. Look over to Vaucluse close by Watson’s Bay. I love watching the cruise liners go by imagining everyone partying on the sail out between the heads. We will be on that massive 6000 passenger thing ourselves in another week or so cruising New Zealand.

    I don’t know whether I am looking forward to it or not. We are using up a special discount, otherwise it would not have been our choice. It’s the one Grigs went on but I won’t remind myself of that; they do sanitize the staterooms. I’m taking some books and my kindle and if it’s too awful I will cruise sitting out privately on our balcony sipping a G and T. I will keep you informed re what it is really like.

  120. Empire GTHO Phase III

    An automated telephone poll asked me if I was forced to choose between Lib/Lab who would I choose?
    I chose to hang up.

    I’ve asked both ALP and LPA organisers recently their thoughts about preference flows. Both confessed it was getting harder to predict. Perhaps the objective of the poll is to shore up their predictions.

  121. notafan

    Fantasy is everywhere, so many unknowing movers and shakers.
    Lol.
    Im just over four weeks away from hitting the road again, only half organised.
    George has very generous holiday leave provisions so I won’t be back until the end of summer.

  122. JC
    If people were meant to be vegetarians, how come animals are made of meat?

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’m off to Israel

    Glad you are doing a test run, Calli. Hairy is desperate to take me there, mentioning next August. I have been resisting, due to safety concerns, which he says is ridiculous. Says anyone like me, interested in ancient religions, should go to Jerusalem. He’s been there on business and loved it. Be interested to hear your views.

  124. egg_

    Trump has not done or said anything that could lead you to believe that, if elected, he would change. There is nothing about him that suggests he can be civilised or tamed or controlled.

    Teh Hildebeeste was more Dependable?

  125. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If people were meant to be vegetarians, how come animals are made of meat?

    Beautifully phrased.

  126. Got an sos so going against all principles re contracts in Oz, l returned to a place of previous intervention. All the processes and structure l created that was enthusiastically embraced prior to my leaving a relatively short time ago has evaporated. Not even replaced with something better, just back to free form. Plan- pedestrian approach, no over and above, take the money and POQNCB. Hopeless.

  127. Geriatric Mayfly

    Nick McKim lovely chap

    No one oozes oily virtue better than this Green mountebank.

  128. Chris

    I just wrote a crazy comment on Paul Kelly’s most recent Maolcom implosion article.

    Just imagine if the Liberals decided to operate as a team, change NO leaders and support each other with active communication and adherence to principles.

    To attack the leftists and media enemies, especially the ABC, instead of each other.

    To stick with policies that work, and back expenditure reduction against criticism.

    To submit thought bubbles to the team, and shut up about them until they are thrashed into workable policy.

    To bring the backbench onto the team, and back the lay party instead of destroying it.

  129. egg_

    Read the story above about the farm sector seeing it’s second increase in participation in 100 years. A large number of these people have university degrees.

    One dude new to the industry ex Uni has a biz with mobile free range egg-laying chooks that he takes across folks paddocks, featured on Landline.

  130. Chris

    One dude new to the industry ex Uni has a biz with mobile free range egg-laying chooks that he takes across folks paddocks, featured on Landline.

    Once the ABC ‘look-at-moi’ evaporates and the subsidies and clever-girl businesswoman awards are over, I wonder if it will last.

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We’re also doing a Nile cruise. Apparently there are pirates.

    We did one around eight years ago when living in the UK for a few months. Before the main troubles. Main problem was flying back on Air Egypt (hadn’t realized it was part of the package deal). Never again. Thought at one stage in the flight we were going down with a flaky faded Horus painted on the tail of an ancient aircraft with armrest ashtrays and German signage. I threw up two hours after landing in Heathrow; their farewell present.

    Even then, a couple of men with guns stood guard on the Nile cruise ship and the temples were also awash with armed men due to the earlier shoot up of a tour bus full of Germans at one of them. We felt fairly safe. I think they probably still have things under control there for tourists, protecting the industry, but still take care.

  132. Shy Ted

    Don’t know if anyone else heard our greatest ever PM being interviewed about sitting next to Chinese donor to the Liberal party but waffle upon waffle upon waffle. Out of his depth in the shallow end.

  133. Mike of Marion

    Gone – brain cancer
    Dimitri Hvorostovsky – Baritone

  134. BrettW

    According to radio LNP preferencing Labor above ON leader Steve Dixon in Buderim.

    ON preferencing LNP first in 49 seats.

  135. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Now I’m safe, come the revolution. No need to hang more than one red tablecloth out the window when the forces of progress roll through Melbourne. Che-like, but with less hair, I’ve established my street cred.

    hahaha. That email back. I am rolling around with the LOL’s.
    They are absolutely impervious to satire, aren’t they?

  136. marcus classis

    Pete of Perth
    #2565198, posted on November 25, 2017 at 2:48 am
    The sea is an unforgiving place. Unmanned ships are unlikely.

    Yup. It has actually been tried back in the 80s and it did not work except on the easiest bit, open ocean calm weather transit. Too many variables and it’s an interface environment where two highly energetic systems (sea and air) meet.

    Add to that the land interface and you have even more variables. Coastal nav is just too complex.

  137. Rabz

    no parody can be recognised as such

    Indeed, my good man. Excellent work. The further evidence of their unrelenting stupidity was a nice touch.

  138. Shy Ted

    From The Nunindrag – A moment that changed me: dressing as a woman for the first time at the age of 69
    Robin Pickering
    I used to enjoy grab-a-granny night at the local disco. Gonna be a bit more careful from now on.

  139. Farmer Gez

    Not sure about Uni degree for farmers but any qualification in electronics or hydraulics would be good.
    The modern farm machinery is all computer/electric/hydraulic and app friendly.
    The gear is great but it takes a long time to get your head around the operating procedures and their capabilities.
    All the programs are locked on IP protocols, so you have to pay thousands extra to access some features. Life is getting very complicated.
    The recent frost did a fair bit of damage to pulse crops in the Wimmera but I heard a good line from an old stockman.
    “I’ve seen sheep get frosted but by lunchtime they recover.”

  140. egg_

    Bodybuilding and Bibi.

    I asked my daughter about the phenomenon of young ladies flirting with much older DILFs (no gym junkie here) and she explained it was largely ego feeding on their behalf and not to be taken seriously, to which I can attest, lest one be made a fool.

  141. Rabz

    shoot up of a tour bus full of Germans

    They should have learned from their grandpappies that going to Egypt was a perilous venture.

  142. Snoopy

    Don’t know if anyone else heard our greatest ever PM being interviewed about sitting next to Chinese donor to the Liberal party but waffle upon waffle upon waffle. Out of his depth in the shallow end.

    Excruciating!

    He should have just said, “If I wish to sit next to a Chinese person I will. Are you suggesting I shouldn’t? Why do you so obviously hate Chinese? The ALP’s White Australia Policy is long dead. Buried. Cremated. You disgust me!” The last said over his shoulder as he stamps off full of righteous indignation.

    But waffle.

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Egypt is on my no-go list.
    In fact, anything in Africa north of Pretoria is doubtful for me.

    I have felt like this recently, but Hairy is busy persuading me otherwise. Still rather glad that Egypt is already done, but I have agreed to do the Masai Mara Migration thing in Africa with him next July. We’re all booked, no glamping, and five star with aircon and a major tour company with security, because I wouldn’t do it otherwise. He wants to fly from Ethiopia to Israel then, which I am still considering cautiously. I thought I was being rather brave still, but Calli beats me hands down.

  144. Geriatric Mayfly

    As it seems to be Muzzie on Muzzie in Egypt at the moment, I doubt if your cunning disguise (Body Bag and Burkini) will be of much benefit Calli.

  145. Snoopy

    According to radio LNP preferencing Labor above ON leader Steve Dixon in Buderim.

    That sort of tactic worked a treat for NZ’s National Party.

    ON preferencing LNP first in 49 seats.

    Labor-held seats.

  146. Rabz

    But waffle.

    That’s his shtick. There’s no breaking the habit of a lifetime.

  147. Myrddin Seren

    calli

    I’m off to Israel, so thought I’d chuck in the pyramids and Abu Simbel. I love Agatha, but don’t want to be the new version of “Death on the Nile”.

    Daughter No.1 had the same itinerary a few years ago. Her then boyfriend was about 6′ 13″ of AFP brick sh*thouse. She was still scared silly in Cairo because of the predatory men and intimidation.

    The place is Walking Dead, except the grasping, hungry hordes are still alive. Hunker in tight to the Beloved and turn your Situational Awareness radar to ‘high alert’.

  148. Geriatric Mayfly

    We’re all booked, no glamping, and five star with aircon and a major tour company with security,

    On foot, slogging through the bush with a guide, is the only way to get the real feelz for wild Africa.

  149. max

    Morning Cats.

    My birthday today. 106 years old.

    Just back from the gym.

    Sick of fending off all those admiring glances from the 86 y olds.

    Noodle arms everywhere.

  150. entropy

    g_
    #2565438, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:12 am
    Read the story above about the farm sector seeing it’s second increase in participation in 100 years. A large number of these people have university degrees.

    One dude new to the industry ex Uni has a biz with mobile free range egg-laying chooks that he takes across folks paddocks, featured on Landline.

    Saw that. I thought “How ABC!”

  151. From The Oz, an example of Kevin 07 becoming influenced by Cat memes.

    “But beyond the state secretaries’ club, you also had the entry into positions of power of a young factional class who had done very little in their lives apart from being factional foot soldiers whose mission in life was to destroy either the left or the right, and (they) were rewarded for their acuteness in so doing but had no interest whatsoever in constructing an alternative program for government,” Rudd says.

  152. marcus classis

    Cripes, Egg!

    Didn’t the fatties have a tantrum last night?

    I asked my daughter about the phenomenon of young ladies flirting with much older DILFs (no gym junkie here) and she explained it was largely ego feeding on their behalf and not to be taken seriously, to which I can attest, lest one be made a fool.

    Oh yes, it’s harmless fun where it happens.

    Just back from my Saturday morning session. Perhaps the Cat’s lardballs could take heart from ‘Eric’ at my local gym. Down from 155kg to 132kg, gone from not being able to bench 30kg to benching 100kg in his last set of ten (pre-exhaustion supersets). We reckon that he’s lost 40-45kg of fat and replaced it with 28-22kg of muscle. He’s a head shorter than me and he’s gone from belly circumference the same as his height to looking like a fireplug.

    Cue the next tantrum by the Cat lardballs and trolls in 5,4,3….

    🙂

  153. notafan

    A while back I said it should be a human right to shoot down any drone flying over your property.

    Haven’t changed my mind.

    Also Zacky had one.


    ISIS, Europe and drones

  154. Nick

    Even then, a couple of men with guns stood guard on the Nile cruise ship and the temples were also awash with armed men due to the earlier shoot up of a tour bus full of Germans at one of them. We felt fairly safe. I think they probably still have things under control there for tourists, protecting the industry, but still take care.

    It’s been going on for years. I rode a donkey through the valley of the Kings, wearing a gallabyah. At Queen Hatchepsuts’ temple, plainclothes guards had uzis under their coats following a massacre of tourists there, and that was the late 90s.

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Time Magazine called to say that I was PROBABLY going to be named “Man (Person) of the Year,” like last year, but I would have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. I said probably is no good and took a pass. Thanks anyway!

    He is relentless.

  156. egg_

    max
    #2565474, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:38 am

    Think more Bishop’s ‘Ken Doll’ should he pursue flirting younger women and look like a dick.
    /angry keyboard warrior

  157. johanna

    One dude new to the industry ex Uni has a biz with mobile free range egg-laying chooks that he takes across folks paddocks, featured on Landline.

    Once the ABC ‘look-at-moi’ evaporates and the subsidies and clever-girl businesswoman awards are over, I wonder if it will last.

    Indeed. Carting chooks around so that they can eat all over the place does not strike me as a viable business model, at all.

    Oh, wait. It was featured on Landline – that explains everything.

    For a few years in the late 90s/early zeros, I watched it now and then. It morphed into a greenie front outfit of the most blatant stripe. Not only that, it was mustard for the latest fad crops, which were going to revolutionise agriculture and our eating habits, almost all of which disappeared without trace.

    Once a fairly decent show about agriculture, Landline is now the Daily Life of rural television.

  158. Ragu

    How did that guy from talking about DILFs to talking about some random dude at his gym.

  159. notafan

    Armed soldiers no biggie.

    They are everywhere in Europe.

    Everywhere.

    Luxor massacre was 1997

  160. feelthebern

    Sam Kerr of the Matildas is a role model for any youngster.
    Get off the book of face & run around with a ball (of any shape).

  161. egg_

    marcus classis
    #2565478, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:40 am

    A piece of kindly advice gets met with sarcasm.
    Sad.
    /Trump

  162. marcus classis

    Trump’s hidden successes. He’s gutting the US State Dept.

  163. entropy

    When we went to Egypt years ago (pre kiddies and gym junkie lifestyle) Mrs Entropy would dress modestly and keep her head covered with a cap. At one airport we wandered through (Air Sinai is an interesting dinner table story), the guards standing around with their massive automatic rifles got her to remove the cap so they could inspect it for contraband or weapons (of course). Mrs entropy’s long blonde locks cascaded every which way, with I suspect a judicious toss of the head to which she has never admitted. All security guards gathered around her and stared while a cavalcade of locals streamed past unhindered. “Ahhh! Hair like silk!” exclaimed one in English. All guards nodded in agreement, and although I don’t know what else was said, then they all guiltily looked my way. I just smiled pleasantly and we boarded the plane to argue with the locals about seating arrangements.

  164. marcus classis

    egg_
    #2565490, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:48 am

    🙂

  165. C.L.

    It’s Thanksgiving – which means black people are beating each other up for cheap televisions.

  166. Tom

    Lizzie, interrogate areff about Israel — he was there about a year ago and I got the impression it was as safe as houses. Personally, I’d reckon an understanding of Western civilisation is incomplete until you’ve been — which I haven’t. I’d love to go.

  167. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s Thanksgiving – which means black people are beating each other up for cheap televisions.

    Is that why it’s called Black Friday?
    Seems a bit racist.
    I’m pretty sure if White people had a day, it would be Monday.

    White Monday.
    Sounds legit.

  168. Myrddin Seren

    15,000 – FIFTEEN THOUSAND – new public servants in the SE corner will return the daffy incumbent to office today in Queensland.

    Don’t forget – most of those 15k will also have at least one significant other, maybe dependents too, if they can insult Gaia by breeding. At least double the actual public service numbers for the real numbers of taxpayer reliant on the payroll who will always vote for More Government.

  169. C.L.

    Women like healthy, normal-looking bodies, strong from life, work and exercise.
    They rank weights junkies somewhere close to homosexuals, attraction-wise.
    As anyone who has worked in the removalist business will also tell you, weights heads are, generally speaking, as weak as piss.

  170. entropy

    Myrddin Seren
    #2565501, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:54 am
    15,000 – FIFTEEN THOUSAND – new public servants in the SE corner will return the daffy incumbent to office today in Queensland.

    Don’t forget – most of those 15k will also have at least one significant other, maybe dependents too, if they can insult Gaia by breeding. At least double the actual public service numbers for the real numbers of taxpayer reliant on the payroll who will always vote for More Government.

    I know people that voted exactly on this basis last time and intend to do again.

  171. pete m

    Thank you kind ladies
    Alas with young children we are on early dining roster so may not see your humble abode lizzie.

    Best part of trip is no phones or internet just tv

    Time to go!

  172. Ragu

    Carting chooks around so that they can eat all over the place does not strike me as a viable business model, at all.

    It actually does. Take a plane ride over Australia and you would see how much land is held in fallow.

    All those hobby acreages that do nothing but grow buffalo.

  173. Tel

    Trump’s hidden successes. He’s gutting the US State Dept.

    He also had a win on getting rid of the “Net Neutrality” bullshit. Ajit Pai is a great choice for head of the FCC. Hopefully Australia wakes up in another 10 years and copies Trump (we usually lag along behind).

  174. C.L.

    Watch out for Andrew Bolt and various others setting up Turnbull for the LNP loss in Queensland. Not true. The Adani backflip and the 15,000-strong zombie army of public servants will win it in the SE corner. A strong LNP leader could have made an impact by Tim Nicholls is a left-wing nimrod.

  175. marcus classis

    C.L.
    #2565503, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:56 am
    Women like healthy, normal-looking bodies, strong from life, work and exercise.
    They rank weights junkies somewhere close to homosexuals, attraction-wise.
    As anyone who has worked in the removalist business will also tell you, weights heads are, generally speaking, as weak as piss.

    Yup. That’s the difference between weight training and bodybuilding. You have to be nuts to be a bodybuilder. Very few bodybuilders at normal gyms in my experience. Which is good, as roid use is rife at bodybuilder gyms.

    Bit disappointed that last night’s Catallaxy mangina landwhale chorus has not jubbled slowly into screech mode yet. Probably still digesting breakfast.

    Anyhow, off to vote.

  176. Rae

    Luxor massacre was 1997

    So was the German tour bus attack. In Cairo, not at the temples.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    I think one thing australian voters are good at is separating state and federal issues at elections.

    Alan Jones will be more of a factor than Turnbull.

  178. Rae

    Bon voyage, pete m. Sounds like a nice cruise.

  179. notafan

    Too right about gym junkies C L

    My daughters’ theory is that they are generally short fellows making up for lack of height with excess girth.

    Likely none too bright either.

    Though both girls are trim and fit and attend gyms.

  180. Boambee John

    notafan at 0932

    Baldrick’s VC story was where mine were at, Moocow farm and Poziers

    Great uncle killed at Pozieres.

  181. H B Bear

    15,000 – FIFTEEN THOUSAND – new public servants in the SE corner will return the daffy incumbent to office today in Queensland.

    Significant parts of Australia now fall within the US model – elect Democrat -> more public servants ->more union members -> union funds Democrat campaign -> elect Democrat ….

    Once this happens there is virtually no way to break the lock on the seat or office.

  182. Infidel Tiger

    One dude new to the industry ex Uni has a biz with mobile free range egg-laying chooks that he takes across folks paddocks, featured on Landline.

    He’s a chicken drover?

  183. Ragu

    As anyone who has worked in the removalist business will also tell you, weights heads are, generally speaking, as weak as piss.

    That’s not entirely correct. The weight heads are as strong as the Tongan or Maori that can pick up your credenza.

    The difference is endurance. A common day meathead can’t lift weights for hours a day because that’s not his job. He goes to the gym for an hour a day yet the other guy moves things for ten hours a day.

    There is a huge difference. And the tattooed knobs that think they need to supplement there calaorific intake because they work-out for an hour a day are headed for an early grave.

  184. Nick

    He’s a chicken drover?

    Rolling rolling rollin, keep those cluckers movin..

  185. Mitch M;

    For myself though the problem is that recent studies highlight how simply preventing immune cell penetration into the CNS can markedly stop Parkinson’s progression(animal model). It is probably these cells producing the nitric oxide because if peripheral immune cells are entering the CNS it is probably as a result of an inflammatory signal and inflammatory immune cells can produce nitric oxide at high rates. Just this week exactly the same finding for Multiple Sclerosis – stop the immune cell penetration, disease nearly stops.

    Is there any data that puts immunosupressed patients as a group, against normal immune systems?

  186. johanna

    C.L.
    #2565503, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Women like healthy, normal-looking bodies, strong from life, work and exercise.
    They rank weights junkies somewhere close to homosexuals, attraction-wise.
    As anyone who has worked in the removalist business will also tell you, weights heads are, generally speaking, as weak as piss.

    Well, C.L., we finally have a commenter who knows what women like! Congratulations! Nobel Prize is in the post.

    Mind you, how all those blokes who don’t fit your model manage to get wedded and/or bedded remains a mystery. 🙂

    But, I agree about removalists. Smallish, wiry chaps can be remarkably strong.

  187. Saturday morning humour.

    The Best school practical joke ever

    Even better than gladwrap over the teacher’s toilet seat.

  188. egg_

    He’s a chicken drover?

    Hehe, my Pop was a drover in SEQ/New England.

  189. johanna

    Ragu
    #2565507, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:58 am

    Carting chooks around so that they can eat all over the place does not strike me as a viable business model, at all.

    It actually does. Take a plane ride over Australia and you would see how much land is held in fallow.

    All those hobby acreages that do nothing but grow buffalo.

    Ragu, I hope that you are just trolling.

    There is no shortage of picking ground on a single, smallish property. Why on earth would you spend time and fuel driving them from one property to another? It just doesn’t make sense.

    BTW, I always buy cage eggs at the supermarket. They are considerably cheaper, and indistinguishable from the virtue-signalling ones in terms of quality.

  190. C.L.

    The difference is endurance. A common day meathead can’t lift weights for hours a day …

    Right. Weak.

  191. Tel

    Well, C.L., we finally have a commenter who knows what women like! Congratulations! Nobel Prize is in the post.

    Women are attracted to wealth and power. Please don’t kid yourself.

  192. Infidel Tiger

    Jobs of the future:

    Toasted sandwich maker
    Whale counsellor
    Chicken drover

  193. André M

    BrettW
    #2565450, posted on November 25, 2017 at 10:22 am
    According to radio LNP preferencing Labor above ON leader Steve Dixon in Buderim.

    That is fake news. This state election uses full preferential voting. The voter is required to decide the complete set of preferences used in the election tallying. Incomplete numbering disqualifies the entire ballot, the empty boxes do not get filled-in by party preferences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-preferential_voting#Variations
    The wishes of the candidates or parties do not translate into any preferences used in the election process.

  194. calli

    The strongest, toughest guy I ever met was a brick-carter. Back in the days before bricks came shrink wrapped on pallets. The bricks were hand loaded onto a flat bed and unloaded on site. One side of the truck first, then turn the truck to do the other side. The guy was about 5’10” and not overly muscular. Around 50 years old. Did the lot without a break.

    Anything to do with brickwork or concrete makes blokes tough. Except for the boom operator on a pump. He has to be a man-mountain to tolerate the pressure and place the concrete.

  195. Uh oh

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2565320, posted on November 25, 2017 at 8:33 am
    Last evening’s Seven News had a very interesting Bennelong report

    Last nights Seven News also had the weather chap sporting a belt buckle shaped like a heart and covered in diamantes. Not sure what the glittering one’s message was but it was very eye-catching.

  196. CL:

    15,000 – FIFTEEN THOUSAND – new public servants in the SE corner will return the daffy incumbent to office today in Queensland.

    That’s the manpower for 3 Brigades. One Division. And the cost – original and maintenance – would be equivalent to equipping them to Mechanised Infantry Brigades standard.
    That’s the opportunity cost thinking that our governments and media are missing.

  197. Stimpson J. Cat

    Who has time for the gym?
    If I need to work out I just bench press people.

  198. entropy

    Not sure what the glittering one’s message was but it was very eye-catching.

    Maybe he lost a bet.

  199. Ragu

    There is no shortage of picking ground on a single, smallish property. Why on earth would you spend time and fuel driving them from one property to another? It just doesn’t make sense.

    What if you don’t own property?

    So you see all this land around you that people do nothing with. Look out of a plane window the next time your life gets so interesting that you have to travel from capital to capital because there is millions of hectares owned by people that do nothing except tend the lawn and complain to the neighbours that the dam isn’t full.

    It’s a good business idea.

  200. Chris

    It’s a good business idea.

    Its sweet to use other people’s capital that is under-utilised. In MY opinion.

  201. Leigh Lowe

    Just back from the gym.
    Three sets of ten on bench.
    Might put something on the bar tomorrow.

  202. max

    The chicken farmer is the grandson of Don Bradman.

    I think the program said he’d done a B. Ag Science then moved up to the Adelaide Hills with his family.

    He was also selling his rather expensive chickens to a small restaurant in Willunga.

    He mentioned that the method of letting the chickens pick the grass clean and then moving on to a new area was good for the soil as they left their droppings behind. Sounds right.

  203. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Time Magazine called to say that I was PROBABLY going to be named “Man (Person) of the Year,” like last year, but I would have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. I said probably is no good and took a pass. Thanks anyway!

    Trump is definitely Man of the Year, regardless of what the hapless Time Magazine does.

    East Coast liberal late-night talk show hosts get a collective Losers of the Year.

  204. entropy

    If I was a teacher and the students did that to me I would have trouble not pissing myself laughing about it the rest of the lesson.

  205. entropy

    I think the program said he’d done a B. Ag Science then moved up to the Adelaide Hills with his family.

    BAgSc person would know it is an expensive, labour intensive way of raising meat chickens that would not scale. The only way to turn a profit would be selling at large premiums, which means restaurants and certain farmers markets where doctors’ wives and ABC types buy their virtue.

  206. lotocoti

    So I’ve just moved to a LNP bastion.
    It’ll be interesting to see how PHON goes with their Ban Adani/allow crew served, belt fed weapons for home defence campaign works.
    Apparently one doesn’t need to wear shoes with laces at the polling booth.
    Even dress thongs would’ve been OTT.

  207. johanna

    He mentioned that the method of letting the chickens pick the grass clean and then moving on to a new area was good for the soil as they left their droppings behind. Sounds right.

    FFS, have any of these commenters ever owned chooks? Although, I expect that they would love to have a few in the backyard as a source of ‘organic’ eggs. Let the rats and foxes and lice disappear into the ether of greenie dreams.

    My olds had chooks on five acres, well away from the house, because they crap everywhere. They were let out each day to pick and eat snails and so on. They had to be locked up every night because Brer Fox constantly had his beady eye on them. Also, rats were constantly trying (and occasionally succeeding) to break in and steal the eggs.

    The eggs were OK, but I could never tell the difference with supermarket eggs.

    Rural romanticism is Arky.

  208. H B Bear

    Last nights Seven News also had the weather chap sporting a belt buckle shaped like a heart and covered in diamantes. Not sure what the glittering one’s message was but it was very eye-catching.

    I expect if you turn the belt 180 degrees it becomes a butt plug. A great “stocking” filler to celebrate SSM.

  209. calli

    Beyond simply “asking & waiting for an answer,” the post also asserts that “frequently checking in with your dance partner” is required in order to maintain consent until the music stops, suggesting that the person who extended the invite periodically ask “Hey, are you still into this?” and volunteer that “We can stop if you aren’t.”

    “Dancing” must be the new euphamism for something else.

  210. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #2565567, posted on November 25, 2017 at 11:53 am

    Do You Want to Dance

  211. Snoopy

    Israel isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. I sent my wife there in August. She came back.

  212. Bruce of Newcastle

    Venezuela’s socialist government is toothless, or soon will be.

    Venezuela’s President Maduro threatens toothpaste sellers with 5 years jail (Times $)

    Selling toothpaste in Venezuela for more than fixed government prices has become a criminal offence punishable by five years in prison, as President Maduro tries to defeat spiralling inflation.

    A “law of agreed prices”, which took effect on Thursday, sets legal maximum costs for dozens of products that are judged to be essential, including pasta, rice and sugar. “No more with the thieves,” Mr Maduro said, announcing the plan.

    Bad luck if you want to buy pasta, rice or sugar in Caracas. As well as toothless the place soon will be pastaless.

  213. H B Bear

    “Dancing” must be the new euphamism for something else.

    Horizontal folk dancing?

  214. Tintarella di Luna

    Geez there’s been no grass growing under this thread – almost to page-turning time

  215. A Lurker

    He mentioned that the method of letting the chickens pick the grass clean and then moving on to a new area was good for the soil as they left their droppings behind. Sounds right.

    Sounds like he’s got a large chicken tractor.

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