Open Forum: November 25, 2017

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  1. Shelley

    Nope, not a word about Families SA. I will also add that I left government after working in it from front line service delivery many years back to policy. I was disgusted and if people had even an inkling of the crap that goes on I’m sure the pitch forks would come out. Mind you most could find out if they could be arsed digging into annual reports and the like, but they just don’t care.

    I am fully expecting the Weatherill government to be returned in March. The opposition is weak and given that the public sector is the largest employer in the State and those with the ability to are leaving…we are cooked.

  2. stackja

    C.L.
    #2566620, posted on November 26, 2017 at 11:28 am

    I disagree.

  3. notafan

    Again, though, this is not what I want to write about. What I do want to write about as the fact that, for the first time in God knows how many years, I found myself in a class that did not include any women. Having asked, I was told that the Polish military, which like other Western ones consists entirely of volunteers, does in fact take women; they are, however, mostly limited to ancillary tasks such as medicine, logistics, administration, etc. In the higher ranks there are hardly any women at all. One outcome being that, unlike most Western militaries, the Polish one has no difficulty attracting as many young men as it needs.

    Finding myself in this unaccustomed situation, at first I kept opening my talks by saying, “ladies and gentlemen.” As the week went on, though, I discovered that not having females around has its advantages. I found myself able to mention some sensitive, but serious and interesting and important questions; and do so, what is more, without having to follow the obligatory wisdom whereby women are no different from men and can and should imitate the latter in everything. Or having to worry about some crybully getting “insulted” and running off to admin to make a tearful complaint.

    Martin van Creveld on a visit to Warsaw

  4. Chris

    No Chris, it’s artificial complexity that breads loop-holes that posers take advantage of to rip of the tax paying public. Like I said, created by lawyers, judged by lawyers for lawyers.

    Fair call.

    It took me a lot of wrestling in past years on building committee to see how to divide in my mind between deductible and non-deductible donations. Much of my donations are not deductible, i.e. when I give them they are already taxed. These are to my church, so when I see leftist nitwits carrying on about churches being tax-exempt its very irritating. They aren’t. What, the tax I already paid on that money isn’t good enough for their arsewipe values?

    Then we have charitable gifts, to stuff that the Government wants to encourage. Eg Salvation Army Red Shield Appeal, which go to the supposed poor and become social welfare redistribution. Those are deductible; ie I dont have to pay tax on them because they become spending that the Government doesn’t have to do for reasons they approve of. Lumped in with this are causes that get tax deductions to donors but are dodgy left-wing indoctrination causes like the Rosie Batty lot and Barrier Reef Education for Gerbil Worming We’re All GOnna Burn Fund. THIS LOT is what you are suggesting all be taxed, presumably as though the shit coming in is income.
    SO here we have questions.
    1) Is it the donor who pays tax, the receiving organisation, or both?
    2) Is the tax to be treated like a business, ie are the legitimate business expenses and money paid to suppliers deductible , or is all revenue treated as profit? Because this could revolutionise the taxing of business too!
    3) Could we put a cruise missile through leftist causes by removing deductibility?

  5. Rae

    Behold!

    Behold what?

    The Lamb of God? Maybe it’s Sunday and Dover Beach has just sanctified the Communion Wafers.

  6. Snoopy

    Claire Lehmann‏Verified account
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    A former national junior record-holder in the male 105kg class is now dominating the women’s class post transition

    The Kiwi snatch expert is off to the Commonwealth Games.

  7. Anthony

    Snoopy
    #2566593, posted on November 26, 2017 at 11:04 am
    American TV commenters are dumb as dogshit.

    Remember it’s CNN talking heads who keep claiming where there’s smoke there’s fire!

    Morons.

    Eventually these dickheads will learn that this WH is fireproof. The longer it takes, the more ridiculous it all becomes. I’ve never seen such a successful rope-a-dope since MA introduced it.

  8. Joe

    Chris, what a load of waffle trying to muddy the waters.
    Either we pay tax on income or we don’t. If we do, why should charities be exempt from paying tax on their income?

  9. zyconoclast

    What is it with these hypocrites who expect you to cut your emissions via using public transport, while they swan around in climate-controlled limos?

    I’m sure Richard Di Natale is using public transport.

    Unless you want to enter into a small wager over whether he paid for that limo out of his own pocket.

    Was he accompanied by his au pair?

  10. stackja

    X-Rae still having visions.

  11. Nick

    My dad was just telling me that he was watching the HD broadcast of the cricket in Sydney yesterday, when an announcement came through that Ch9 were suspending their HD broadcast to save energy !!!!!
    FFS.

  12. Chris

    Chris, what a load of waffle trying to muddy the waters.

    See above.

  13. johanna

    Shelley, I can’t find words for what has happened to SA in my lifetime.

    As an undergraduate at ANU, living in a college, I met many SA folks who were very bright and obviously going to the top in their fields. None of them still live there. The brain and talent drain is manifest.

    Thanks to nature and nurture (especially by German immigrants) the wine and food business is booming. Apart from that, the future is grim.

    I posted last week about the government’s latest ‘build it and they will come’ boondoggle, which throws taxpayer money at any tech startup which agrees to locate in the bastard great, great, great grandchild of the Multi Function Polis.

    Be of good heart. Is there and Adelaide Cats group, or a branch of one of the conservative micro-parties? You need to get together with some like-minded people, and start a movement for change.

    It’s not impossible!

  14. Snoopy

    why should charities be exempt from paying tax on their income?

    Simpler just to remove tax deductibility on donations to charities and memberships of unions and professional associations. And if people begin to think before parting with money it should assist halting the drift of these organisations to the left.

  15. Behold what?

    Read my comment before and the scales will fall from your eyes, my friend.

  16. notafan

    Simpler just to remove tax deductibility on donations to charities and memberships of unions and professional associations

    fine with me

    No tax deductions to support religion all ready

  17. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2566641, posted on November 26, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Fuck off GrigoRae M.

  18. johanna

    C.L. – thanks for the link to the Imre article.

    What President Trump says about the US MSM is equally true here. They literally just make stuff up and promulgate it as fact.

    Unfortunately, the younger generation get a lot of their news online from Leftist outlets like Spacechook and Google. So, the dead tree brigade are on the way out, but meet the new boss. 🙁

  19. stackja

    Courier Mail

    THE outcome of the Queensland election is still undecided, but Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is confident Labor will secure the 47 seats it needs to form a majority government.

    Counting resumed at 9am, but a result could be days away.

    The count has been complicated by One Nation’s decision to preference the Greens last and all sitting MPs second last, and the reintroduction of compulsory preferential voting.

  20. zyconoclast

    … and the reintroduction of compulsory preferential voting.

    Which the LNP helped make possible.

    Speaking of dud Qld LNP, has anyone asked George Brandarse for comments?

  21. Dr Faustus

    A former national junior record-holder in the male 105kg class is now dominating the women’s class post transition

    More. More of it.
    Let the full absurdity illuminate the progressive world in the most elegant way possible.

  22. Chris

    The count has been complicated by One Nation’s decision to preference the Greens last and all sitting MPs second last, and the reintroduction of compulsory preferential voting.

    For these two actions, I wish to withdraw my previous statement that the ON were ‘not the sharpest tools in the shed’.

  23. Ragu

    Everyone under the age of 40 is a gamer. Maybe not a fill blown hooked into the matrix COD or Warcrack gamer, but everyone under that age grew up with a NES and beyond or the boys went to the arcades –

    Speak for yourself weirdo, but some of us didn’t see the utility of playing computer games when you could go outside with your mates and play real games like Rugby, cricket, or dating.

  24. Rae

    some magnificent footage of Newcastle in the Newcastle 500 on 10

    It is so again today. The most picturesque of street circuits.

    A masterstroke by the Labor led Newcastle City Council to hold the V8 Supercars finale there.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA Liberal Party internal report reveals Colin Barnett’s failures
    Joe Spagnolo, PerthNow
    November 26, 2017 12:01AM

    COLIN Barnett isolated himself from his colleagues in the lead-up to the disastrous 2017 election loss, a damning internal WA Liberal Party review says.

    The report, which has not been publicly released, is critical of the former premier’s management style and accuses his government of not reacting to the State’s deteriorating economic conditions.

    It is understood the review by Barton Deakin managing director John Griffin:

    ISCRITICAL of Mr Barnett’s management style, saying he wasn’t inclusive during his second term as premier.

    REFLECTS on the influence of the premier’s staff over the direction of the government and campaign.

    IDENTIFIES that the government did not properly react to the changing economic circumstances in WA in the last four years.

    HIGHLIGHTS the difficult relationship that developed between the parliamentary and lay wings of the WA Liberal Party.

    The findings contradict the reason given by Mr Barnett this week for why his government suffered the worst election loss in the history of WA politics.

    In an interview with The West Australian, he took a swipe at his ministers during his government’s second term by saying they lacked “horsepower”.

    The comments prompted opposition leader Mike Nahan, who was a senior member of Mr Barnett’s cabinet, to call on the Cottesloe MLA to quit State Parliament.

    Liberal State president Norman Moore said Mr Barnett should “accept responsibility for the problems his tenure created”.

    “As the (former) leader, he can rightly claim credit for the many good things his government did,” Mr Moore said in a statement.

    “But equally, he is expected to accept responsibility for the problems his tenure created. So to claim that his second Cabinet was not up to it is as much of a reflection on his leadership as it is on their performance. It is therefore very sad indeed that Colin, who is deserving of a well-earned, positive legacy, should make unfair and unworthy public comments that will only contribute to diminishing that legacy.”

    Is it something in the water at State Liberal Party level?

  26. Rev. Archibald

    But seriously Tom, don’t stop posting those cartoons in the morning.
    I love them.

  27. Stimpson J. Cat

    Speak for yourself weirdo, but some of us didn’t see the utility of playing computer games when you could go outside with your mates and play real games like Rugby, cricket, or dating.

    People who like Frank Zappa don’t get to call other people weird.
    You are officially condoning the degenerate deviant naming of innocent children.
    Moon Unit, Ahmet, Diva, and Dweezil.
    What a f$cking selfish narcissistic wacko waste of talent he was.
    His music and his name will be forgotten.
    But probably not his children’s.

    😁

  28. johanna

    Zulu, as we saw in the Queensland election thread, boots on the ground at polling booths were greatly diminished, which must have cost the LNP votes.

    I predict that this will be replicated at the next general election. The party faithful who turned out for Tony Abbott in 2013 will not get off the couch for Maocolm.

    Mark Textor said that we have no power. How’s that working out for your employers, Mark?

  29. notafan

    In the context of his response to areff’s email,

    On Tuesday, following a week of media reports on the encounter, the release of the recording and national criticism of the university, the school’s president Deborah MacLatchy and Rambukkana apologized for their treatment of Shepherd.

    Rambukkana said he has since rethought many of the positions he took during the meeting and expressed regret that he “didn’t do enough to try to support” her during the meeting.

    Also Jordan Peterson in a debate is the same as HH

    I don’t think so

    Wilfrid Laurier profs push free speech after censure of teaching assistant

  30. incoherent rambler

    Wait for it! Mick Trumble will say:

    “The miserable minority who voted for the LNP in QLD, only voted for the LNP because of my glorious personality.
    Without me there would be no LNP votes!”

  31. johanna

    Don’t diss Uncle Frank around here, Stimpy. He is a god, in the small and select pantheon of American entertainment industry figures who have read the Constitution.

  32. Joe

    …boots on the ground at polling booths were greatly diminished, which must have cost the LNP votes.

    Do people seriously make up their mind on who to vote for on the basis of who shows up to hand them how to vote cards on the day of the election.

    Struth! I’m surrounded by eedjits.

  33. Gilas

    Tom, as a professional employed by a NGO which provides health services to the proles and is essentially funded by government through a yearly budget allocation, should I also be regarded as a “tax hoover”?
    Are the services provided to the public by me a waste of time and money, as seen by you? Or is it just the intrinsic inefficiencies of government-funded services which are the tax-hoovering bit?

    Because, believe it or not, I am also super-extremely fucked-off at the amount of tax I am paying, and have paid, and which I have no chance of avoiding or evading, and which is probably orders of magnitude larger than the tax paid by the overwhelming majority of private-enterprise employees, who are presumably not tax hoovers in libertarian eyes.
    So, I am confused at the line of distinction, if this indeed exists in some cats’ eyes.

    Question: How much tax – % of gross or total – should a “tax hoover” pay before the general cat population would regard him/her as no longer a hoover?

    The reason I am asking is because you have taken exception to a teacher’s (Arky) comments about dot.
    Given his past comments, I don’t believe Arky’s doing a bad job in his chosen profession, quite the opposite. We should instead be immensely grateful that not all publicly-funded teachers are stupid, evil, ignorant cultural Marxists. They are the real tax hoovers and, in a just world, should be executed.

    PS. Arky, you should write a textbook on scathing ripostes. Congrats!

  34. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – Mike Seccombe.

    https://youtu.be/8hlxd0ej8kc

  35. Stimpson J. Cat

    Don’t diss Uncle Frank around here, Stimpy.

    Just because I put him in my show does not mean I approve of him at all.
    That was for ratings.

  36. entropy

    Yeah, what Imre said about the shock jocks is true, but it doesn’t allow him to get away with the complete and utter betrayal by Baird, and now it seems Imre himself, of dishlicker owners.
    Just because Hadley and Jones did bad things doesn’t mean you and Baird didn’t, Imre.

    You and Baird aren’t off the hook. Represent the people, not yourselves.

  37. entropy

    Do people seriously make up their mind on who to vote for on the basis of who shows up to hand them how to vote cards on the day of the election.

    Apparently about 10% believe it or not. Also, uncommitted might just go with the mob who bothered to turn up.
    But I wonder how much difference it makes.

    On that matter, has anyone’s vote ever been changed as intended by one of thos annoying robocalls?
    I bet they started doing them, then can’t give up just in case stopping robocalls is blamed for someone losing an election.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    Tom at 5.29;

    That image of Kopernick or whatever his name is taking a knee in the landing craft while the troops started storming the Normandy beaches should be enduring, and retained for the ages. Maybe it’s just me but the imagery and symbolism it displayed actually gave me goosebumps – no small feat in the Top End this time of year.

    Whoever created it should be thunderously applauded. Nothing I have yet seen adequately captures the blinding level of ignorance these highly paid morons thrive in, with the exception of this fabulous image. I’d dearly like to know who created it.

    To my mind there are two ‘excuses’ for this sort of attitude:

    1. Anti-patriotism – ignoring the fact that the people carrying rifles in that image were largely responsible for creating an environment where black people with European surnames could make multi millions of dollars playing sport whilst contributing bugger all to that country and bagging it at every opportunity; and
    2. BLM. The US Army was largely white until the 1950s, with the exception of some rear echelon units specialising in transport and like areas – the truckies who were part of the Red Ball Express during the Battle of the Bulge are a good example.

    If the US and it’s army were/are so racist, it wouldn’t have sent 170,000 good old white boys onto the Normandy beaches – it would have just conscripted 200,000 people of colour and used them as a battering ram in France, leaving whitey to walk in after the hard yards had been done.

    Lastly, IF this idiot football player was a) born in the 1920s, b) in the Army, and c) taken a knee as the ramp went down when his landing craft hit the beach, he was very much entitled to be shot out of hand by his sergeant or platoon commander.

    I wonder if he realises that? I doubt it.

  39. Shelley

    Thanks Joh. Despite the knocking, SA does have wonderful landscapes, bountiful resources, good climate and definitely the food and wine (I am of that stoic German stock on my dad’s side). Like so many places in the western culture the SJW, greenie agenda is strangling everything. It is a force much like the dementors in Harry Potter. And I haven’t even mentioned the electricity issue! There was a city wide blackout on Friday night – fortunately it didn’t impact a huge area and was rectified quickly. I am sick of hearing people/businesses saying ‘get a generator’. It’s almost like they are surrending, although if I was a business, particularly one that relied on refrigeration for their stock, I would do the same no doubt.

    Your suggestion is a good one and I have joined Cory Bernardi’s party as a starting point – but admit I am skeptical of him and the party making any impact/long lasting change. But it is hope and a glimmer of light in the distance. Also of hope is I am noticing people (tentatively and in hushed tones) speaking out about the direction we are taking.

  40. Chris

    Are the services provided to the public by me a waste of time and money, as seen by you?

    Gilas, this is a distinction that bothers me. A public hospital dentist (for example) saving people from jaw rot, scrunge and death by septicemia is unquestionably a benefit to society. The question of whether it is tax hoovering is a separate question to the question of benefit to society. Is that

    What we are seeing is that rhetoric that implies undeserving benefit is being applied to the question of whether the cost should be looted at gunpoint from the people who created the value which is spent ‘for the greater good’.

    It is clear that there are unlimited wants and ‘needs’. As Government grows its scope, it becomes clear that good cases are being made for more, but the connection to capacity to pay and damage to the commons of unlimited consumption (due to others bearing the cost) will rise to crazy levels.

    BAM. Australia is Greece.

  41. johanna

    Joe
    #2566680, posted on November 26, 2017 at 12:52 pm

    …boots on the ground at polling booths were greatly diminished, which must have cost the LNP votes.

    Do people seriously make up their mind on who to vote for on the basis of who shows up to hand them how to vote cards on the day of the election.

    Struth! I’m surrounded by eedjits.

    You are an eejit, Joe.

    In your world, voters would just turn up at a polling both with complete information about how to allocate preferences, for example.

    Then, there is the reassurance of knowing that enough people care to volunteer and provide a physical presence at the booth. They are friends and neighbours who are not ashamed of their beliefs.

    Like many Cats and kittehs, I’ve done booth duty, and can assure you that it is not in vain.

    Perhaps you could start your own political party with no members?

    Dickhead.

  42. Tom

    Are the services provided to the public by me a waste of time and money, as seen by you? Or is it just the intrinsic inefficiencies of government-funded services which are the tax-hoovering bit?

    Gilas, the problem is size of government. Tax hoovers are those who salaries are taxes, so that technically that doesn’t include you as an employee of an NGO.

    Your second question nails it. Even with our bloated Australian local, state and federal government confiscating around 40% of every dollar we earn, the cost of providing government services would be halved if provided by the private sector. But, since Marxists control our education agenda and most people are not net taxpayers, we are taught to hate capitalism and human ingenuity and to treat bloated, wasteful Big Government as our parents.

  43. Infidel Tiger

    Gorka’s man kit is very impressive. Love the Zippo and the cigar cutter.

  44. Snoopy

    You can take the journalist out of the ABC (if you bribe them with huge redundancy payment) but you can’t remove the stupid.

    Jim Middleton: Bennelong is full of Chinese and Koreans and Howard lost because he went hard on border control.

    Because all those Chinese and Koreans arrived as illegal immigrants on boats.

  45. Joe

    Johanna, how does

    Do people seriously make up their mind on who to vote for on the basis of who shows up to hand them how to vote cards on the day of the election.

    become

    In your world, voters would just turn up at a polling both with complete information about how to allocate preferences, for example.

    My question is about who to vote for, your response is about how to vote for a choice already chosen.
    If you can’t vote for your choice without the hand holding of a how to vote card, then you are an eedjit.

  46. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘its Army’ not ‘it’s Army’. Punctuation Nazi fails at punctuation.

    Dammit.

  47. I think abusive and intemperate immigrants from across the ditch who owe their comfortable existence to Oz then attend this forum with no intention to add anything of meaning and to mouth off vitriolically should fuck of back to their shitbag sheep rooting mud bunnying JAFA ridden toss pot group of rocks and shut the fuck up.

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If the US and it’s army were/are so racist, it wouldn’t have sent 170,000 good old white boys onto the Normandy beaches

    Good old white boys whose grandfathers fought and died at fun places like Shiloh, Gettysburg and Cold Harbor, to prevent Kopernick’ s or whatever his name is, forebears being “sold down the river” as slaves..340,000 of them died.

  49. Infidel Tiger

    As it stands Tesla runs out of cash net year, according to Bloomberg.

    Tesla will never run out of cash as long as we have left wing governments.

  50. JC

    It won’t run out of cash, because Tesla will sell stock into the market and dilute the shit out of current stock holders. Musk is a good salesman, but he can’t keep doing it.

  51. Like many NZers it has been my misfortune to meet, a bit more smart and a it less arse would be a welcome relief. As l advised one such prick who had nothing but scathing commentary and unsolicited advice about all that’s wrong with Oz, ‘you’ve been here nearly 30years, taken good money from the Country and given nothing back, and you don’t even have a vote. Tell your story to a tree’.

  52. .

    Love the Zippo and the cigar cutter.

    The Jap lighters (Sarome) are even better, but they run off something more like oil than lighter fluid.

    Zippos are good for cigars; for pipes? Pipes are a pain in the neck to light, TBH.

  53. H B Bear

    If you can’t vote for your choice without the hand holding of a how to vote card, then you are an eedjit.

    … and there’s your problem.

  54. Tom

    Viva
    #2565845, posted on November 25, 2017 at 4:42 pm

    If you wonder why I rarely post cartoons from the nihilist European swamp,

    Tom check out the Spectator cartoons. Small, perfectly formed and very funny.

    Thanks for the suggestion, Viva. Last week’s Spectator Oz cover illo was a ripper.

  55. Chris

    My question is about who to vote for, your response is about how to vote for a choice already chosen.
    If you can’t vote for your choice without the hand holding of a how to vote card, then you are an eedjit.

    Joe see above – again.

    Preferences are an integral part of the vote, and how to vote cards and integral way most voters get informed on how to vote – surprisingly. Working for a minor party or a major one, you will learn that manned booths get more votes for your party. The fact that you sneer at your neighbours , doesn’t mean their votes are not better able to get the result they want if they have the how to vote cards they are counting on.

  56. C.L.

    Yeah, I didn’t get why Gorka modded a Zippo for cigars.
    A Zippo flame will light the hell out of a cigar.

  57. C.L.

    Dupont lighters are very nice (and expensive).
    Worth it just for the famous PING:

  58. .

    My cigar lighter is like the one of the left of the thumbnail in C.L.’s linked video, but with the machining of the one on the right.

    They are worth the money.

  59. johanna

    Arguing about the past merely concedes that SJWs have a point. Don’t even go there.

    I’ve been listening to Steve Bannon on radio at Breitbart recently. He’s a long term strategic thinker who nevertheless speaks in plain language. He’s already knocked off a couple of GOP suck-ups, more to come.

    I’m sure that we have one or two intellectual giants like Bannon here, but the chances of us hearing them, or about them, are slim.

  60. JC

    There’s a decent flame on a disposable Bic or whatever they are these days.

  61. egg_

    Faruqi and her family have achieved far more than most Australians.

    Tertiary education, political power, a high media profile and no doubt a very comfortable middle class lifestyle.

    I suspect a lot of that has been propelled by progressive racism.

    Ah, but all that “success” still doesn’t make them white, does it?
    Once “successful”, either despise whitey because it still doesn’t make you white, or go the Michael Jackson nose job and “white skin” route?
    Sad.

  62. Makka

    It won’t run out of cash, because Tesla will sell stock into the market and dilute the shit out of current stock holders. Musk is a good salesman, but he can’t keep doing it.

    Is the Tesla bubble starting to pop?

  63. egg_

    Jim Middleton: Bennelong is full of Chinese and Koreans and Howard lost because he went hard on border control.

    ‘tard.

  64. egg_

    A former national junior record-holder in the male 105kg class is now dominating the women’s class post transition

    LMFAO.
    Next, they’ll have a gorilla in a skirt?

  65. Rev. Archibald

    Overburdened
    #2566712, posted on November 26, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    ..
    That was a belter of a serve.
    I like your style.
    Unfortunately you are wide of the mark.
    Any of the many cats who have met me in person can google my extremely rare surname and confirm my family governed large chunks of this country for Queen Victoria before it was a country.
    So to me you’re the blow in.
    Not that I put any store in the importance of who your ancestors were.
    What counts is what you do and who you are, not whom you came from.
    I’m just a working bloke who left school at 16 and worked whatever I could do, from maintanance work on fishing trawlers and rubbish trucks, dairy farms to part time soldiery.
    I fell into teaching because the Science bridging course I did while working night shifts lead into a teaching qualification.
    As for New Zealanders, I take it from your comments you would have done the same as me: left as soon as you could.
    So the only real disagreement we have is on libertarians: I despise them, you want to suck the dirty fuckers off.
    You’re a stooge without a sense of smell or appropriate feelings of disgust.

  66. JC

    Dunno Makka. Musk has 9 lives .

    I reckon he will get the cash.

    There’s a small stock in my portfolio on which I have done all my cash . These arseholes keep going back to the market diluting everyone else. It’s been going on for 20 years!

  67. calli

    The boundaries of Bennelong were re-drawn and Mr and Mrs Hogg saw an opportunity. Howard didn’t have limitless time in his electorate to woo new residents – he was campaigning elsewhere. Add that to the almost blanket boosting of Mee Too by the media.

    Marxine was all over the place like a rash.

  68. Geriatric Mayfly

    Jim Middleton: Bennelong is full of Chinese and Koreans and Howard lost because he went hard on border control.

    Au contraire. Was it not McWho, specifically targeting this lot and spreading all manner of hysterical falsehoods, that pumped up their fear and loathing?

  69. calli

    Faruqi and her family have achieved far more than most Australians.

    Why do you hate me? I have never helped you. – Hindustani proverb

  70. Stimpson J. Cat

    As for New Zealanders, I take it from your comments you would have done the same as me: left as soon as you could.

    Nothing more disgusting than a race traitor.
    You are an Uncle Sheep.

  71. johanna

    While I’m whingeing, could I please register a protest at the latest batch of film school graduates who love changing images every second or two? I gather that it has finally superseded wobblycam, another abomination and way of never learning your craft.

    What Hitchcock (‘actors are cattle’) would have said about this lot of incompetent trend-followers is not hard to imagine.

    Apparently, everyone in film school has been taught that unless you use the screen like a strobe light, viewers will wander off.

    Here’s the news – your using the screen like a strobe light is causing me to wander off. And, producing a longish sequence which keeps viewers engaged is very difficult, which is why you don’t even try.

  72. Geriatric Mayfly

    OopS! Snap Calli.

  73. calli

    Just a disturbance in The Force, Mayfly. Pay it no mind.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Will you have any more appliance reviews today Johanna?

    I have been considering either a sandwich press or a jaffle maker. I am to put it mildly “betwixt”.

  75. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have been considering either a sandwich press or a jaffle maker. I am to put it mildly “betwixt”.

    So long as its not a hair dryer I don’t care.

  76. DrBeauGan

    The good news, Notafan, is that they have been rolling back the Enlightenment for over a century now. The bad news is that it won’t lead to your dogma being reinstated, but a far more repulsive dogma, viz. Cultural Marxism.

    To be fair, the new dogma is rather kinder to heretics. They merely ensure that I would lose my income, and in the worst case jail me. Your lot would have burnt me at the stake.

    I daresay Dover would feel some sadness as he handed me over to the secular arm, having failed to convert me. You and srr would be happy to light the flames. So pardon me if I regret the rollback of the Enlightenment. Briefly, for a short period, there was a time of sanity.

  77. Nick

    But what about your air conditioner experiences IT? I’m fading away, waiting lol

  78. Rev. Archibald

    Nothing more disgusting than a race traitor.
    You are an Uncle Sheep.

    ..
    And yet you spend your time on here mooching around a bunch of autistic idealogues who would sell your furry arse out in a heartbeat.
    I’m done making nice with these globalist swine and their stockholm syndrome apologist stooges.

  79. Marcus

    Moeen Ali out at the Gabba. Brilliant reflexes by Paine to get the narrowest of stumpings.

    I told you all he’d come good!

  80. Stimpson J. Cat

    And yet you spend your time on here mooching around a bunch of autistic idealogues who would sell your furry arse out in a heartbeat.

    I have faith in the essential goodness of humanity.
    Except Kiwis, of course.

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    Excellent stumping from Tim Paine!

    Wade would have missed it and cost the team four byes.

    Into the tail now….

  82. johanna

    Stop being an embittered jerk, IT.

    A couple of months ago, I asked for advice about an airconditioning problem, Several Cats responded with helpful advice, for which I am grateful.

    I undertook to provide feedback, which I did.

    Your game has dropped off a lot recently. Have you given up drinking?

  83. Rev. Archibald

    I have faith in the essential goodness of humanity.

    .,
    You’re a nut.

  84. notafan

    The good news, Notafan, is that they have been rolling back the Enlightenment for over a century now. The bad news is that it won’t lead to your dogma being reinstated, but a far more repulsive dogma, viz. Cultural Marxism.

    Where did that come from?

    Just felt like a squirrel rant Dr BG ?

    The Enlightment is a misnomer, just like the Reformation is.

    The Enlightenment gave us the French Revolution and 200 years of death and destruction that can only be paralleled by islams wars of conquest and destruction.

    You want to rewrite history and pretend that you are a victim how very islamic of you

    Good grief what a sad little man you can be,

    I have never once suggested that anyone anywhere should be persecuted for believing or not believing in anything, neither has DB.

    Now stop telling lies about what I believe,

    As for you fancying yourself as the incredibly intelligent true heir of the great enlightenment, quelle surprise

    In fact you sir are an almighty wanker

  85. Chris

    I’m done making nice with these globalist swine and their stockholm syndrome apologist stooges.

    (sob) Is my beagle love for you not enough Rev Archibald?

  86. Infidel Tiger

    But what about your air conditioner experiences IT? I’m fading away, waiting lol

    Tomorrow I will be reviewing a shower radio that my maiden aunt bought me for my 18th birthday. I’m not sure what she thought I was doing in the shower but it was certainly not listening to morning talk back.

  87. JC

    Architecture porn. Never been to Germany and really no desire, but my favorite architects.. currently … did a good job of turning this into a decent office.

    http://www.1100architect.com/projects/westend-office/

  88. Your lot would have burnt me at the stake.

    We only burned heterodox Catholics, DrBeauGan, and a paltry amount even then. The Jacobins killed more pCatholicsin 6 years then we all the various ecclesiastical or national inquisitions in over 700 years. You would have been far safer back then.

  89. Nick

    Tomorrow I will be reviewing a shower radio that my maiden aunt bought me for my 18th birthday. I’m not sure what she thought I was doing in the shower but it was certainly not listening to morning talk back.

    Lol.

  90. pCatholicsin should be people, but they were largely Catholics, anyway

  91. DrBeauGan

    The French revolution was hardly an example of rational thought, Notafan. It’s rationality and the aversion to dogma that characterises the Enlightenment. Replacing one dogma by another is not the idea.

    You might be horrified at the idea of killing heretics, which speaks well of you. But your church did quite a lot of it. Rewriting history to conceal this fact does you less credit.

    And yes, I am a child of the Enlightenment. I pursue truth. You believe you’ve caught it.

    Falling back on abuse as a form of argument is equivalent to admitting that you’ve lost it.

  92. areff

    Even with our bloated Australian local, state and federal government confiscating around 40% of every dollar we earn, the cost of providing government services would be halved if provided by the private sector.

    You could cut it even more if (a) we went to a flat tax and (b) the political class were to be pointedly reminded that certainly families, like this clan, don’t have automatic drawing rights on the public purse.

    Dad, mum and the kid — solid leftoids, of course, all fattened by Oz Council ‘arts’ grants.

    And to what use does the Croggon/Keene clan but that taxpayer largesse?

    Why, theatre critic Ms Croggon writes paeans to the literary genius of Mr Keene without quite managing to mention they soil the same sheets every night.

  93. Stimpson J. Cat

    You’re a nut.

    I am a member of a race willing to give a speech impaired sheep seducer a chance to join civilization, live in our great country, and learn from us how to be a constructive and positive member of society.

    Sometimes we get it wrong.
    We are not perfect.

    😁

  94. DrBeauGan

    Have you counted the Albigensians/Cathars, Dover?

    I agree that the Jacobins were a lot nastier than the seventeenth and eighteenth century Catholics. Erecting a temple of reason is a sign that you have got the whole idea of reason badly wrong.

  95. Rae

    I am a child of the Enlightenment

    I’m a Digital Native.

  96. stackja

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2566742, posted on November 26, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    ALP ‘spreading all manner of hysterical falsehoods.’ I am shocked!

  97. .

    Don’t start notafan and I on the topic of Charlemagne!

    The Vikings as a military threat were basically caused by Charlemagne. To them, attacking Charlemagne aligned England as well as France directly was a form of forward defence.

  98. notafan

    Falling back on abuse as a form of argument is equivalent to admitting that you’ve lost it.

    Did you not read what you wrote about me ? You insulted me as best you could. I do agree that your abuse as a form of argument indicates you were building your argument house on a foundation of quicksand.

    No no you don’t get to walk away from the French Revolution, that is all Enlightenment, you can pretend otherwise all you like.

    200 years on and the notion that man is close to intellectual perfection has not progressed, not at all.

    It is a failed philosophy and it failed the very first time it was put into practice.

    I do adore how people think they can insult Catholics and when right back at you it’s all huffy indignation at ‘abuse’

  99. Rev. Archibald

    live in our great country,

    ..
    You’re living in my country, and frankly only because I haven’t yet figured out how to have you run off, you great big stupid spud- faced stinking peasant oaf.

  100. marcus classis

    To be fair, the new dogma is rather kinder to heretics. They merely ensure that I would lose my income, and in the worst case jail me. Your lot would have burnt me at the stake.

    Dr BeauGan, this is the Monty Python view, and it is utter nonsense.

    Fortunately, all of the records of the Spanish Inquisition still exist. All of them. As a Royal Body, they had to do everything in triplicate. The archive file copies are all still there in Spain.

    The actual facts are very different to the ancient propaganda which underlies the ‘Monty Python’ view.

    Link

    Note in particular the way the ‘secular-Protestant’ persecution of ‘witches’ simply did not happen in areas where the Inquisition had control – because they tested the evidence:

    The Spanish Inquisition was largely funded by confiscations, but these were not frequent or great. Indeed, even at its peak the Inquisition was always just making ends meet.After the reforms, the Spanish Inquisition had very few critics. Staffed by well-educated legal professionals, it was one of the most efficient and compassionate judicial bodies in Europe. No major court in Europe executed fewer people than the Spanish Inquisition. This was a time, after all, when damaging shrubs in a public garden in London carried the death penalty. Across Europe, executions were everyday events. But not so with the Spanish Inquisition. In its 350-year lifespan only about 4,000 people were put to the stake. Compare that with the witch-hunts that raged across the rest of Catholic and Protestant Europe, in which 60,000 people, mostly women, were roasted. Spain was spared this hysteria precisely because the Spanish Inquisition stopped it at the border. When the first accusations of witchcraft surfaced in northern Spain, the Inquisition sent its people to investigate. These trained legal scholars found no believable evidence for witches’ Sabbaths, black magic, or baby roasting. It was also noted that those confessing to witchcraft had a curious inability to fly through keyholes. While Europeans were throwing women onto bonfires with abandon, the Spanish Inquisition slammed the door shut on this insanity. (For the record, the Roman Inquisition also kept the witch craze from infecting Italy.)

    As always, follow the money. The protestant Princes of Europe made a fortune from burning ‘witches’, many of whom were wealthy merchants whom would not lend money to the local prince. Funny how they and their families ended on the princes pyre – and their money in his pocket.

    The keyhole comment is from an original report. The Inquisitors showed an accused witch (accused of escaping by flying through a keyhole and all the usual bollocks) the burning of a criminal. They then said ‘that’s you, tomorrow morning’. They locked her up and left her, making sure that the keyhole was unblocked. She was still there in the morning. Therefore this was regarded as absolute proof that she was NOT a witch and had been falsely accused. Her accusers were then investigated. and punished.

    The write up back to Madrid was very sarcastically worded!

  101. notafan

    The Albigensians who fyi were Cathars were saints, saints I tell you.

    In any case the conflict with the Cathars was a civil war precipitated by the murder of Pierre de Castelnau, to pretend that the Cathars are mere victims is to rewrite history.

  102. marcus classis

    Right. Off to cycle to the gym.

    To lift weights.

    Wonder if the fatties who form the renowned Catallaxy Mangina Landwhales will start sobbing and wailing about that?

  103. notafan

    In any case Dr BG is merely throwing out red herrings because pointing out that the Enlightenment’s legacy is Madame La Guillotine does not suit his narrative.

    Rappelez-vous Vendée!

  104. Stimpson J. Cat

    You’re living in my country, and frankly only because I haven’t yet figured out how to have you run off, you great big stupid spud- faced stinking peasant oaf.

    Such ingratitude.
    A simple thank you is not to much to ask is it?

    “Thank you Stimpy for letting me stay in your wonderful country and allowing me to covet your fabulous fleeced flock. “

  105. Have you counted the Albigensians/Cathars, Dover?

    Indeed.

  106. DrBeauGan

    Did you not read what you wrote about me ? You insulted me as best you could.

    Oh no, Notafan. I could have done ever so much better had that been my objective.

    Identifying the age of reason with the French revolution is bad history. Try Voltaire instead of the sea green incorruptible.

    So suppressing the Albigensians was just a civil war. That would be why the then pope launched a crusade against them.

    I was replying to a post in which you were celebrating the coming rollback of the Enlightenment.

  107. egg_

    I’m not sure what she thought I was doing in the shower but it was certainly not listening to morning talk back.

    And the soap was worn on one side?

  108. Rev. Archibald

    Oh, I should feel gratitude to you?
    After years of reading your infuriating pseudo- mentally ill drivel.
    A transparent attempt to avoid responsibility for the poor standard of your observations.
    You repulse me on a molecular level.

  109. egg_

    I’m a Digital Native.

    Binary didgeridoo?

  110. incoherent rambler

    The French revolution was hardly an example of rational thought…

    Indeed.
    However, Mick Trumble should note what happened to an aristocracy when the peasants revolt.

  111. DrBeauGan

    Dr BeauGan, this is the Monty Python view, and it is utter nonsense.

    I’m a fan of Monty Python but I’m aware that it was farce, and I don’t think they or anyone with a grain of sense thought otherwise. I am also aware that the Catholics introduced the idea that reason is a gift of God and is to be used. And that the senior members of the church did indeed use it.

    Nevertheless, the church did burn heretics.

  112. Rev. Archibald

    This master bedroom is quite pleasant in the daytime.
    Think I will give it another shot tonight.
    Surely there can’t be any ectoplasmic entity residing in such a nice spot?
    I really don’t believe such things.
    Must all have been in my head.

  113. incoherent rambler

    Oh, I should feel gratitude to you?

    And me.
    Feel free to leave anytime.

  114. Jumpnmcar

    Triple M have the best cricket commentary it your sick of ABC or Win.
    Kerry O’Keefe is a bonus.

  115. notafan

    Oh no, Notafan. I could have done ever so much better had that been my objective.

    Go for it then, I am sure you can do no worse that your buddy srr.

    There are many many articles and books that dispassionately point to the French Revolution stemming from Enlightenment philosophies, but you being the font of all knowledge, know better.

    Indeed the alternate name for the Enlightenment is the ‘Age of Reason’ from which the name ‘Temple de Reason’ is derived but, no connection, none.

    And yes yes the Pope launched a Crusade after Pierre de Castelnau was murdered. The Cathars did fight back you know. They just lost.

    BTW does the word Crusade have some new special meaning unbeknownst to the rest of us mere mortals? Are the muslims also innocent victims because I believe there were Crusades against them as well.

    I don’t know why the war against the Cathars is relevant to my disrespect for the Enlightenment which so enraged you you needed to launch your pathetic little attack.

  116. Oh come on

    Right. Off to cycle to the gym.

    To lift weights.

    Wonder if the fatties who form the renowned Catallaxy Mangina Landwhales will start sobbing and wailing about that?

    There goes Onan the Dumbbellian.

  117. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2566788, posted on November 26, 2017 at 2:51 pm
    I’m a Digital Native. Kitteh stalker.

    Fixed.

  118. Stimpson J. Cat

    After years of reading your infuriating pseudo- mentally ill drivel.
    A transparent attempt to avoid responsibility for the poor standard of your observations.
    You repulse me on a molecular level.

    I have always claimed responsibility for my observations, and of course I repulse you.
    I am not a sheep.

  119. Stimpson J. Cat

    Must all have been in my head.

    Aldi catalogue, don’t forget.

  120. Rev. Archibald

    And me.
    Feel free to leave anytime.

    ..
    I’m not the one planning my retirement to France or New York.
    That was you libertarian traitorous fucks a few days ago.
    Remember.
    I’m here for the duration.
    It is called loyalty you pig.

  121. cynical1

    Kevin Pietersen.

    Well on the way to no 1 in the bellend stakes.

    Fuck off back to Capetown.

  122. DrBeauGan

    There are many many articles and books that dispassionately point to the French Revolution stemming from Enlightenment philosophies, but you being the font of all knowledge, know better.

    There is something distinctly perverse about identifying the Jacobins with the cause of reason. There were many factors responsible for the French revolution, but you have to be a very convoluted thinker to see it as a consequence of the age of reason. Rationality doubtless did something to destroy the legitimacyof the Bourbons, but it doesn’t lead to the guillotine except in the minds of the very confused.

  123. DrBeauGan

    BTW does the word Crusade have some new special meaning unbeknownst to the rest of us mere mortals? Are the muslims also innocent victims because I believe there were Crusades against them as well.

    The word Crusade does rather imply a war on behalf of a Christian religion, don’t you think? No, the Muslims weren’t innocent victims. I don’t suppose the Albigensians were in all cases either.

  124. DrBeauGan

    Rationality doubtless did something to destroy the legitimacyof the Bourbons

    But not as much as the Bourbons themselves.

  125. Nick

    Cynical, seriously, he and his inane giggling. What is he doing there ?

  126. notafan

    Whatever you say Dr BG

    we’ll just write off the entire body of works that confirm that The Age of Reason was the philosophy behind the French Revolution, merely because you say so.

  127. we’ll just write off the entire body of works that confirm that The Age of Reason was the philosophy behind the French Revolution

    Good. Revisionist crappola.

  128. Boambee John

    entropy at 1038

    *There really is a ruling elite that lords over us

    The left have set themselves up as the new aristocracy.

    A bas les aristos, a la guillotine pour ils! (Pardon my imperfect French.)

  129. Boambee John

    Snoopy at 1158

    A former national junior record-holder in the male 105kg class is now dominating the women’s class post transition

    The Kiwi snatch expert is off to the Commonwealth Games.

    Perhaps a different class might be appropriate?

  130. Rev. Archibald

    Anyone else of you effeminate libertarian stains want to pop your heads up? Because the spirit of viscious righteousness is upon me and I wish to discharge my almighty load into the depths of your trite inanity.
    If it wasn’t for cowards and fools your pathetic shiftless faux- liberty of convenience wouldn’t have a soul to defend it.

  131. cohenite

    A former national junior record-holder in the male 105kg class is now dominating the women’s class post transition

    The Kiwi snatch expert is off to the Commonwealth Games.

    Perhaps a different class might be appropriate?

    The fucked in the head class? All it will take at a major sporting event is for some weirdo cross dresser to get the ladies upset; it’s funny how it never works the other way, innit?

  132. Rae

    Binary didgeridoo?

    Hmm. Whatever that is.

    The Rev, if he is actually a teacher, should know what a Digital Native is.

  133. DrBeauGan

    Whatever you say Dr BG

    we’ll just write off the entire body of works that confirm that The Age of Reason was the philosophy behind the French Revolution, merely because you say so.

    Revisionist crappola covers it. I’m afraid that selective extracts from the Catholic Encyclopaedia are not entirely reliable.

    Not because I say so. Try reading Voltaire.

  134. Leigh Lowe

    170 to win.
    Smith has to make half of those for Australia to win.

  135. Nick

    The Kiwi snatch expert is off to the Commonwealth Games.

    What’s his name? I’m betting Lusure suit Lerry.

  136. .

    I wish to discharge my almighty load

    Andrew Sullivan,

    No one wants to know. Hope your marriage works out.

  137. What’s his name?

    Could it be… Fanny? Micky? …

    Lotto time!

  138. Tel

    People have done all sorts of nasty things in the name of God… even the witch burning got some kind of religious veneer, regardless of other motives. People have used “reason” and “science” to cover their tracks… or “fairness” or *equality” … whatever.

  139. DrBeauGan

    Tel
    #2566849, posted on November 26, 2017 at 4:17 pm
    People have done all sorts of nasty things in the name of God… even the witch burning got some kind of religious veneer, regardless of other motives. People have used “reason” and “science” to cover their tracks… or “fairness” or *equality” … whatever.

    True. And it deceives the readily confused. Which is why it should be called out.

  140. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Kiwi snatch expert is off to the Commonwealth Games.

    Don’t quite know how to interpret this. However, it seems a confused male is involved and the wimminses have been relegated. The unintended consequences of this galloping QWERTY sham were bound to lead to high farce, and there you have it. Don’t stop, as it takes entertainment to a new level.

  141. Tel. Contemplate the evils performed because of the “greater good”.

  142. Rev. Archibald

    Who is that?
    Be specific, globalist Dot.
    It is hard enough to understand your usual disengenuous lying crap.
    Hey, which country are you going to retire to once your mates have finished totally undermining this one?

  143. James in Melbourne

    However, Mick Trumble should note what happened to an aristocracy when the peasants revolt.

    You mean Malcolm Tumbril?

  144. Oh come on

    The OT is wackier than usual.

  145. DrBeauGan

    I note that the Scottish Enlightenment failed to lead to either a bloody revolution or to a goddess of reason. Strange, because it did in France according to Notafan. Perhaps the Scottish aren’t as excitable as the froggies.

  146. Snoopy

    incoherent rambler
    #2566847, posted on November 26, 2017 at 4:15 pm
    Richard Tuck.

    Close. His dad is Richard Hubbard. He was named Gavin. Now known as Laurel. Maybe named himself after the eponymous canyon?

  147. Woolfe

    Ha ha stupid llabies got thrashed by Scotland.

  148. DrBeauGan

    Oh come on
    #2566860, posted on November 26, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    I think Arky is jealous of stimpmeister and wants the crown of whackodom.

  149. Boambee John

    Rev Archy at 1608

    viscious righteousness

    Is that “vicious righteousness” or “viscous righteousness”? Nasty or glutinous?

  150. Rev. Archibald

    Nasty or glutinous

    ..
    I was referring to both its temper and texture.

  151. Oh come on

    So SA is holding a RC into water theft by NSW.

    Can WA hold a RC into revenue theft by SA?

  152. Oh come on

    I think Arky is jealous of stimpmeister and wants the crown of whackodom.

    Well that’s just silly. Stimps’s got that on a permanent lock and nobody would be crazy enough to dispute it. The Rev just has good old fashioned anger management issues. Nothing pathological about it. 10mg of Valium would straighten him out.

  153. Chris

    The Kiwi snatch expert is off to the Commonwealth Games.

    Perhaps a different class might be appropriate?

    The Clean and Jerk might work, what with IT taking a shower.

  154. Oh come on

    Is that “vicious righteousness” or “viscous righteousness”? Nasty or glutinous?

    Ask Onan when he gets back from the “gym”.

  155. Rev. Archibald

    I thought I would attack the edifice and see who came crawling out.
    I really wasn’t paying much attention to names when the gutless little turds were doing their tag team stooges act on Srr.
    Very interesting, I must say.
    I’m taking names so please continue.
    Anyone else want to add their eye rolls, snide personal attacks or kamikazi charges?
    Globalist Dot, you don’t count, everyone already knows you’re gay for open borders and internationalism.

  156. Oh come on

    Rev, you’re such a charmer!

  157. wivenhoe

    Close. His dad is Richard Hubbard. He was named Gavin. Now known as Laurel. Maybe named himself after the eponymous canyon

    Perhaps he should have been named “Cupboard”.

  158. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Kiwi snatch expert

    I can’t believe there is such a thing and it actually exists.
    Kiwi sheep expert, sure.

  159. calli

    I thought I would attack the edifice and see who came crawling out.

    That’s srr’s MO.

    Stealing is sin.

  160. notafan

    Liberte, egalite, fraternite!

    It doesn’t matter if the Scottish Enlightenment did not lead to bloody revolution.

    That proves nothing in relation to the French Revolution, or the American Revolution for that matter.

    Do you have a problem with logic Dr BG?

    Clearly history and philosophy are outside your area of expertise.


    One

    two

  161. calli

    Bother. Looks like I’m on The List.

  162. Rev. Archibald

    it is with real sadness I see Tom and Stimpson emerge from Chateux Faux Liberty with the filthy slime of that sick cabal on their rosy cheeks.
    I really liked you guys.
    What happened to you?

  163. calli

    I thought the French Revolution was caused by hunger. And a cruel system of government.

  164. Rev. Archibald

    Never you Calli.
    You are a gem.

  165. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Rev just has good old fashioned anger management issues. Nothing pathological about it. 10mg of Valium would straighten him out.

    A little bit of yoga, meditation, and wearing a flouro vest with a pocket protector to school would sort him right out.
    Knee high flouro socks with sandals to complete the ensemble.
    Namaste.

  166. egg_

    Ah, but all that “success” still doesn’t make them white, does it?
    Once “successful”, either despise whitey because it still doesn’t make you white, or go the Michael Jackson nose job and “white skin” route?

    AKA Teh ‘White Ceiling’ – the proverbial Rich old White Men (ROWM) syndrome regularly featured on TheirQ&A.

    All that “racism” and “sexism” still won’t make you a ROWM, will it, luv?

  167. Elle

    I have faith in the essential goodness of humanity.
    Except Kiwis, of course.

    I’m a Kiwi 🙁

    I dropped the accent years ago when I first came here and I was working in a bar. The middies were $2.60 or something, but there was the 60 cents in there. Every time the guys came up to the bar they would ask me how much they are, even though they had ordered them numerous times. Took me a little while – no not as long as a Tasmanian – to figure out they were taking the puss! Decided then and there to change my accent. It’s kinda eastern suburbs Straya – posh with a twang lol. hehe

  168. Rev. Archibald

    There’s something on your chin Stimpson.
    No, the other side.
    Yuck.

  169. Stimpson J. Cat

    I thought the French Revolution was caused by hunger. And a cruel system of government.

    It was quite clearly caused by cheese eating surrender monkeys.
    The filthy Frogs have no one to blame but themselves and their nancy tennis playing blueblooded foppish rulers.

  170. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m a Kiwi 🙁

    No, you are clearly likeable and Australian, Elle.
    Honorary.
    You can stay.

  171. Jeez, did someone spike the water cooler with ugly pills or something?

  172. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2566883, posted on November 26, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    I thought the French Revolution was caused by hunger. And a cruel system of government.

    No, no, Calli. It was caused by philosophers. The damage those buggers can do is amazing.

  173. Elle

    No, you are clearly likeable and Australian, Elle.
    Honorary.
    You can stay.

    Why, thank you. I have embraced many Australians, I mean many things Australian – am an Australian citizen, with an Australian passport. Am considering entering Federal politics. Need to put a reminder on the fridge to renounce my Kiwi citizenship.

  174. egg_

    The Kiwi snatch expert is off to the Commonwealth Games.

    Snatched by a snatchless man – oh, the ironing!

  175. Stimpson J. Cat

    What happened to you?

    I’m sorry, do you think I’m a Libertarian?
    Do you actually read any of my posts, or just pretend to read like the uneducated Kiwi jetsam you are?

  176. Stimpson J. Cat

    Why, thank you. I have embraced many Australians,

    Family blog, family blog.

    😁

  177. Oh come on

    There’s being a libertarian and being a Libertarian. Have no problems with the former. The latter tend to be a little doctrinaire for my taste – more interested in ideological purity, not so interested in what works.

  178. Rev. Archibald

    I’m sorry, do you think I’m a Libertarian?

    ..
    Well then what the fuck are you on about you stupid tit?
    Get out of the way.
    I’m hunting libertarians.
    Fool.

  179. Elle

    I know, Stimpson.

    I need to curtail my “style” … and also not post after midnight, after having had a delightful red or three with friends. I can’t believe I posted that video. Naughty Elle. Smack!

  180. Never argue with an idiot because he will lower you to his level and then embarrass you with experience, l think the saying goes

  181. wivenhoe

    Am considering entering Federal politics

    Nooooo, Don’t do it Elle, you are too nice to allow yourself to be dragged down by that filth. On the other hand, if you must, then all I can say is, everybody, vote for Elle.

  182. Rev. Archibald

    more interested in ideological purity, not so interested in what works.

    ..
    Precisely right in most cases, but one eventually begins to wonder if they can all be that autistic.

  183. Makka

    I’m hunting libertarians.
    Fool.

    Rev, you’re venturing into testicles territory.

  184. Rev. Archibald

    Overburdened
    #2566905, posted on November 26, 2017 at 5:07 pm

    ..
    Not overburdened with courage then.
    Pity.
    I thought you had some fire.

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Jeez, did someone spike the water cooler with ugly pills or something?

    I’m more inclined to suspect drinking over the lunch table.

  186. Elle

    Nooooo, Don’t do it Elle, you are too nice to allow yourself to be dragged down by that filth. On the other hand, if you must, then all I can say is, everybody, vote for Elle.

    You can be my campaign manager, wivenhoe.

  187. Re the Enlightenment, Perception is Everything:

    Neither Bishop Berkeley nor his famous dictum Esse est percipi — “To be is to be perceived” — gets more than a passing reference in Anthony Pagden’s The Enlightenment: And Why It Still Matters. But there is a sense in which those words could have served as the book’s epigraph. For Pagden shows, albeit inadvertently, how little the rhetoric of Enlightenment owed—and owes today—to intellectual substance, and how much to attitude, posturing, and sheer bluff. The Enlightenment matters insofar it is perceived to matter. To a very great extent, what was true in it wasn’t new and what was new wasn’t true.

    RTWT.

  188. wivenhoe

    You can be my campaign manager, wivenhoe.

    For you, Elle, it will cost you expenses only, my time for you will bear no cost.

  189. Myrddin Seren

    The Rev just has good old fashioned anger management issues. Nothing pathological about it. 10mg of Valium would straighten him out.

    A little bit of yoga, meditation, and wearing a flouro vest with a pocket protector to school would sort him right out.
    Knee high flouro socks with sandals to complete the ensemble.
    Namaste.

    Stimps.

    He likes you. Ask him to pop back in to the Master Bedroom and enquire as to the name of the entity in there ? Pretty sure that is the first step needed.

  190. Tel

    I thought the French Revolution was caused by hunger. And a cruel system of government.

    Yes!

    And after they got rid of that terrible King what they were left with was hunger… oh and a different cruel system of government of course, and the rest of Europe hated them (which just between you and me might have already been the case, but they hated the French more brazenly after the revolution).

  191. Fisky

    Good to see you come out swinging, Arky! Great way to spend a Sunday

  192. DrBeauGan

    Your first link didn’t work, Notafan, and the second doesn’t support your case. It does support Tel’s case. It explains how the revolution went through a sequence of philosophers holding often contradictory opinions in order to justify their conduct. Winding up with Montesquieu.

  193. Fisky

    Look at this crowd calling for the Manus men to be brought to Australia. About half of them are unaccompanied middle-aged women!

    https://twitter.com/GetUp/status/934565806863560709

  194. egg_

    This master bedroom is quite pleasant in the daytime.

    Have you got Grigs to exorcise it, yet?

  195. I’m more inclined to suspect drinking over the lunch table.

    Nah, not buying it, Zulu. The Cat is the greatest collection of pisspots ever assembled at one blogsite, but today has been waaay over the top. I know we have our resident arseholes, but this has been wall to wall vitriol from people more usually noted for their charm and entertainment value.

  196. Makka

    About half of them are unaccompanied middle-aged women!

    Hoping for prospective boarders?

  197. Rev. Archibald

    Ha if the cap fits clown

    ..
    What does that even mean in the context of the conversation?
    Jesus.
    Try harder.

  198. Rev. Archibald

    Good to see you come out swinging, Arky! Great way to spend a Sunday

    ..
    It has been a joy.

  199. DrBeauGan

    dover_beach
    #2566916, posted on November 26, 2017 at 5:11 pm
    Re the Enlightenment, Perception is Everything:

    Neither Bishop Berkeley nor his famous dictum Esse est percipi — “To be is to be perceived” — gets more than a passing reference in Anthony Pagden’s The Enlightenment: And Why It Still Matters. But there is a sense in which those words could have served as the book’s epigraph. For Pagden shows, albeit inadvertently, how little the rhetoric of Enlightenment owed—and owes today—to intellectual substance, and how much to attitude, posturing, and sheer bluff. The Enlightenment matters insofar it is perceived to matter. To a very great extent, what was true in it wasn’t new and what was new wasn’t true.

    RTWT.

    Indeed. You could put the blame on Aquinas, Dover. He was the one who made a big thing of reason.

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hoping for prospective boarders?

    If they are prepared to offer the Manus “refugees” accommodation, food and financial support so they don’t become a cost to the taxpayer, why not?

  201. Infidel Tiger

    A GetUp! rally in Canberra. Yes, that is exactly representative of middle Australia.

  202. zyconoclast

    A former national junior record-holder in the male 105kg class is now dominating the women’s class post transition

    Anyone remember Billy Birmingham’s Wide World of Sports parody?
    Maybe it wasn’t a parody but a prediction)

    Female bodybuilder Anna Bolic, “Oh my God, Oh my God, a testicle has just popped out of her costume!” “HER costume???!!!”

  203. Fisky

    For Pagden shows, albeit inadvertently, how little the rhetoric of Enlightenment owed—and owes today—to intellectual substance, and how much to attitude, posturing, and sheer bluff.

    Much of the French Enlightenment was garbage, but a lot of the Anglo-Scottish philosophers hold up pretty well.

  204. Makka

    If they are prepared to offer the Manus “refugees” accommodation, food and financial support so they don’t become a cost to the taxpayer, why not?

    Possibly offering more than that.

  205. Fisky

    Possibly offering more than that.

    Bingo!

  206. I thought the French Revolution was caused by hunger.
    And a cruel system of government.

    Nah, apparently the peasants ate all the cake.

  207. Myrddin Seren

    About half of them are unaccompanied middle-aged women!

    Hoping for prospective boarders?

    Angry Foreigner in Sweden calls them BATIKHÄXOR ( Tie Dye Witches )

    The missus and I were lunching recently and exchanged knowing winks about the Gen Tie Dye lady at the next table buying lunch for a young and obviously recent arrival and giggling like school girl on a first date.

    GetUp recruitment is going to be huge on the back of the Tie Dye demographic hankering for the young-and-exotic imports.

  208. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Possibly offering more than that.

    That thought was lurking at the back of my nasty, cruel and suspicious mind, yes.

  209. Elle

    For you, Elle, it will cost you expenses only, my time for you will bear no cost.

    Very generous! You make me blush, but you have been doing that for a long time now on the blogs.

    Muah to you 😉

  210. calli

    And after they got rid of that terrible King what they were left with was hunger… oh and a different cruel system of government of course, and the rest of Europe hated them (which just between you and me might have already been the case, but they hated the French more brazenly after the revolution).

    Useful idiots in every age, Tel.

  211. Snoopy

    If they are prepared to offer the Manus “refugees” accommodation, food and financial support so they don’t become a cost to the taxpayer, why not?

    Possibly offering more than that.

    I thought moozleys were repulsed by body hair?

  212. Tintarella di Luna

    I was having a little daydream about what fun it would be if the spurned Ms Doris Bagshaw/Lee Rhiannon were to open up the secrets of the Greens closet.

  213. Oh come on

    Yuck. Being forced to service all those old boilers…that’s cruel and unusual punishment if I ever did see it. You’d be begging for a ticket back to Manus, surely.

  214. Snoopy

    “There is nothing more expensive than something free”

    Japanese proverb

  215. zyconoclast

    Binary didgeridoo?

    Is that like a double ended d!ldo except two people blow into either end at the same time?

  216. DrBeauGan

    Fisky
    #2566937, posted on November 26, 2017 at 5:24 pm
    For Pagden shows, albeit inadvertently, how little the rhetoric of Enlightenment owed—and owes today—to intellectual substance, and how much to attitude, posturing, and sheer bluff.

    Much of the French Enlightenment was garbage, but a lot of the Anglo-Scottish philosophers hold up pretty well.

    The froggies always make a mess of philosophy, the post-modernists being the latest example. Lots of froth and too little sense. They get carried away by the exuberance of their verbosity.

  217. Oh come on

    That Abdul Aziz Adam character seemed to enjoy skulking in the toilet block with some chap called Behrouz. The old boilers might be SOL.

  218. Knuckle Dragger

    106 to go. Warner wants to get enough runs to invoke the extra playing time so as to clinch victory tonight.

    On another note:

    FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

  219. Yuck. Being forced to service all those old boilers…

    And remember, they don’t drink . . .

  220. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yuck. Being forced to service all those old boilers…

    Mo, just close your eyes and think of the 72 virgins in the afterlife.

  221. Infidel Tiger

    Let’s be real here. This Manus rascals are prepared to fuck flyblown livestock. Fucking a fly blown Australian lefty is only marginally harder.

  222. DrBeauGan

    And the Germans are even worse. Except Nietzsche, who was mad.

  223. Baldrick

    A GetUp! rally in Canberra. Yes, that is exactly representative of middle Australia.

    Yep, Sunday used to be a day spent with family and friends around the BBQ and taking the kids down to the park. Nowadays it’s spent at a GetUp! rally.
    Sad.

  224. marcus classis

    Nevertheless, the church did burn heretics.

    Sure, Dr BG, in a time where this was hardly unusual. And it did so at a far lower rate than is popularly thought, and in numbers which were mere rounding errors in the slaughters carried out by the areas not under Church influence. A heretic actually had to work very hard indeed to get toasted. The point with heretics was to show them the error of their ways so they came back to the Church.

    I was not having a go with the Monty Python reference, it’s merely a convenient shorthand in referring to the popular view. Such is the level of ignorance these days that most people think that it was the Spanish Inquisition burning witched in the Germanies and elsewhere!

  225. DrBeauGan

    Yep, Sunday used to be a day spent with family and friends around the BBQ and taking the kids down to the park. Nowadays it’s spent at a GetUp! rally.

    No it isn’t. It’s spent posting on and reading the Çat.

  226. marcus classis

    Oh come on
    #2566816, posted on November 26, 2017 at 3:29 pm
    Right. Off to cycle to the gym.

    To lift weights.

    Wonder if the fatties who form the renowned Catallaxy Mangina Landwhales will start sobbing and wailing about that?

    There goes Onan the Dumbbellian

    You cannot make this up.

    Thanks for self-identifying as a mangina and as a landwhale, OCO. You are such a nice little lapdog for your master.

    Hope he gives you a biscuit!

  227. Infidel Tiger

    Yep, Sunday used to be a day spent with family and friends around the BBQ and taking the kids down to the park. Nowadays it’s spent at a GetUp! rally.
    Sad.

    There is still a normal Australia, granted it is not as normal as it used to be. Unfortunately all politics is now based around the freaks and autistics.

    Make Australia Normal Again.

  228. marcus classis

    Hmm. There’s an outside chance I might not be in an ALP seat after all.

    Looks like it’s going to come down to the way people preferenced on ONP.

  229. DrBeauGan

    marcus classis
    #2566960, posted on November 26, 2017 at 5:43 pm
    Nevertheless, the church did burn heretics.

    Sure, Dr BG, in a time where this was hardly unusual.

    So aren’t you glad we are more enlightened these days? Well, some of us. A bit less inclined to kill those whose opinions we disagree with?

    Those are Enlightenment values. Pity they are being rolled back and being replaced by political correctness.

  230. Infidel Tiger

    Right. Off to cycle to the gym.

    To lift weights.

    I have a Jazzercise class tomorrow.

  231. Fisky

    The froggies always make a mess of philosophy, the post-modernists being the latest example. Lots of froth and too little sense. They get carried away by the exuberance of their verbosity.

    There is a design flaw in Western philosophy as a whole, in that it often makes basic category errors in the drive to seek universal truths in everything.

  232. JC

    OCO

    Classic’s transformation from run of the mill plagiarist to a tough guy alpha male has been incredible since he began reading mensophere blogs. Impressive stuff. Someday soon he’ll be telling us how easy it is to pick up young skirt by standing the right way beside a bar.

  233. JC

    Face plants, flip out. A walk in for asshat of the year. The Cat hasn’t seen anything like this for a very long time.

  234. Tel

    A heretic actually had to work very hard indeed to get toasted. The point with heretics was to show them the error of their ways so they came back to the Church.

    Translating the Bible is indeed very hard work. Doubly so while running at the same time!

  235. Leigh Lowe

    I have a Jazzercise class tomorrow.

    I’ve been hitting the Zumba hard but have had to back it off a bit.
    Terrible chafing from the active-wear.

  236. JC

    I have a Jazzercise class tomorrow.

    Funny you mention that. My hugely irresponsible kid called me this morning telling me she’s running low on cash until next pay day and begged if I would spot her for Soulcycle classes until she gets paid.

    I have no idea what soulcycle is.

  237. Nick

    I have a Jazzercise class tomorrow.

    I’ve been hitting the Zumba hard but have had to back it off a bit.
    Terrible chafing from the active-wear.

    Physical culture for me. Miss said that if I’m good, I’ll get to twirl the ribbon

  238. calli

    A heretic actually had to work very hard indeed to get toasted. The point with heretics was to show them the error of their ways so they came back to the Church.

    And if not, the flames.

    Burning anyone alive is a crime that cries out to heaven. That it was done in the name of Christianity is a disgrace (in the pure meaning of the word) and a shameful blot in history. Indefensible, whoever did it.

  239. Infidel Tiger

    I think soul cycle involves a black man and an exercise bike.

    I don’t care to find out.

  240. marcus classis

    So aren’t you glad we are more enlightened these days? Well, some of us. A bit less inclined to kill those whose opinions we disagree with?

    Those are Enlightenment values. Pity they are being rolled back and being replaced by political correctness.

    Oh yes, Enlightenment values also sit firmly on a bedrock of Christian values.

    The marxist-totalitarian attacks on those values are leading to self-destructive behaviours, such as the adoption of the insanely bizarre and irrational ideologies of pagan Green religion. Political correctness is merely a weapon in that attack. So is the pitifully ridiculous concept that two blokes taking turns to insert their penis in the other’s anus is ‘love’, and that they can marry.

    Many countries, and I suspect this country is one of them, will not survive this.

    The ones who will be most surprised by this, and who will be among the first destroyed by it, are the left who promoted it.

    We have seen this before, many times. An interesting commentary is here.

    Subsequently, modern feminists decry the men of their own civilization as misogynists, racists, and intolerant while forgetting it was their own men who recognized that a society built on equal political rights for all was preferable to a society built on spoils taken by the strong. They forget that it was the men they live among who valued justice over greed and force so much that they shed the old ways and took their place beside their women instead of in front of them. They do all of this while cheering on the invasion of their own countries by foreign men who view them as nothing more than chattel property. In doing so they have unwittingly invited the destruction of their own freedom.

  241. jupes

    First hundred partnership between Bancroft and Warner!

    No doubt first of many.

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