Agit prop and the agent provocateur Bowdlerised edition

Given some of the comments on a previous post let me give you a Bowdlerised version. Says the same thing as before but perhaps not quite as pointed. For myself, reading some of the reactions to what I wrote I can see there are not a few who have little idea what the problem we are dealing with is nor what needs to be done. Anyway, see what you make of this.

The one blessing about being brought up in a communist household is that you understand the left a good deal better than most. It also brings an added measure of concern when I see how easily a public unused to lying as a tactic is influenced by these manoeuvres which are standard practice on the left. My Dad was an expert in agit prop and I grew up understanding the role of the agent provocateur only too well. These are not well-meaning individuals who wish to investigate the truth. They are individuals whose only interest is to disrupt the communications among those on the other side through whatever lies they might find convenient and they hope persuasive.

The example I am going to use is my post Remember Michelle Fields? It is simply undeniable that Fields told a story that was intended to harm Donald Trump’s run for president but was thoroughly discredited by the videos that showed everything she said, and the Washington Post initially said, were lies. The point of the post was to remind us that the media will lie without any hesitation if they can see some political advantage for the left’s political agenda. That is also the message of this post, and it is one that can never be repeated often enough. You will be lied to by the left to the furthest extent they believe they can get away with. That there is not an instantaneous scepticism amongst us on this side of politics from any unverified political story carried by a mainstream media organisation fills me with dread since most of us are so middle class that we find it hard to believe others will lie, distort, or withhold relevant information without the slightest hesitation if it serves their ends. The attitude you need to take when reading anything from an MSM report is the same attitude you might take when buying a used car. Do not trust a thing you are told and make sure you verify everything you can from a separate source.

Dishonesty is the trade mark of the left, not that they have a monopoly, but it is a specific tactic aimed at the fair minded who are seldom as aware as they need to be of the practice, and seldom think of the need to guard against the premeditated lies they tell. You would have to be pretty thick not to know that Michelle Fields was a liar and that her aim was deliberate and strictly political. The interesting part is that for the left to succeed, they can only achieve their ends by lying. For the right, what you hear people say is almost invariably what they believe. The left often mimics the same concerns but it is tactical and never substantive unless for a change good policy overlaps what they see as tactical advantage.

The one valuable part of being on this side of the fence is that with so many out there on the left who will swarm around any genuine falsehood stated by someone on the right, the standard of probity is higher. This is part of the reason why sex scandals, to just name the issue in relation to Roy Moore, are not as common on the right as on the left. Except that when they are caught out – such as with Bill Clinton – it is no longer a scandal and is put to bed as soon as it is practical to do so. They never mean it. It is not hypocrisy, it is a policy of deceit. They are perfectly aware they are lying and just take the rest of us for fools.

Oh by the way, have you caught up with the CNN story about Trump feeding the fish in Japan.

You cannot believe an unverified word they say. Why would saying this even be controversial?

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38 Responses to Agit prop and the agent provocateur Bowdlerised edition

  1. The art of not saying and finessing the usual instincts of people to create a shift in the narrative is a skill. My impression is that there are some who post here may see themselves as adept. I do not share their enthusiasm for that line of thinking.

  2. billie

    No surprises for Australians well hardened to this by the ABC and lefty tabloids by Fairfax, Guardian etcetera.

    We saw this behaviour in spades during the Abbott666 prime ministership, and it goes on as Abbott is hated like no one else since Howard. Mind you, a lot of lefties now see Howard as ok, which is just bizarre.

    Have any of the Americans gone as far as our lefties with a “F*ck Trump” T-shirt, which was considered quite OK here? If that doesn’t give you an idea of what passes as fair game, nothing will.

    The skills once considered diplomatic at changing minds and attitudes are no longer needed since bullying, screaming and mob violence are the quite acceptable to the police, the governments and voters.

  3. win

    One of the best was the Kevin Rudd election lie when as the last remark he made before the 2007 election and said as a throw away. “I will stop the boats” . With in weeks the first boat that left Indonesia and was on the high seas had TV coverage on the morning TV and surveillance planes reporting on its progress by I think the foreign minister.

  4. Crossie

    Mind you, a lot of lefties now see Howard as ok, which is just bizarre.

    Not bizarre at all, Howard is now OK because he defends Malcolm when he didn’t have a good word to say about Abbott.

  5. Bowdlerized edition…that’s funny.

    Here is my Bowdlerized comment to all those who whined the original piece was “unfair” and “offensive”.
    #uck you

  6. struth

    The convoy of no confidence had trucks choc o’ block circling parliament house in both directions.
    Upon arrival I was greeted to flag waving supporters filling the bridges overhead and a big crowd at the rally.
    This plus many who had joined the convoy in cars and travelled across the country with us.
    We had many problems on the way like not being able to use council show grounds etc for camping when they found out we were from the right wing side of politics, but people kept coming.
    There were many convoys and the one I led was so long that I couldn’t use the UHF to talk to the rear of the convoy, and had to use the phone as he was too far away.

    The narrative by the media was that it was a dud and nobody turned up.
    When in reality many left wing groups that said they were going to counter protest were the ones that didn’t turn up.

    In my own personal experience with the media , this is nothing.

    That journalists can live in a place like Alice Springs and choose wilfully to ignore the horror around them and then twist and lie about a story to suit a left wing narrative is astounding.

    Decent people do not understand just how low and self absorbed these people are.
    While murders go unreported, they make a national issue out of some dancers being told they could not continue their dancing (aboriginal) in Alice Springs by the police.

    They conveniently left out the part about the cop being aboriginal and from the area where these walparri women were not, and he was not allowing them to dance on “his”land.

    That was the ABC.
    That was reporter Kirsty Nancarrow, and she personally told me that she told her boss he was aboriginal but her boss wilfully said that he wasn’t going to include that bit.
    It made us look like white red neck racists, which was precisely the idea.

    I was once friends with Kirsty, but on a number of occasions she showed herself willing to lie and denigrate Australia and Australians in this fashion for the sake of her career and a seat at the Walkleys.
    She never protested about the changing of her story.
    So I never spoke to her again.

    I have many personal examples as would many here, about the pure insanity and bias rampant in the MSM.

    It would be interesting to have some kind of media watch of our own, a dedicated once a week thread.

  7. Malcolm

    Kates always falls for the same fallacy. Just because some people have exaggerated or even lied about Donald Trump doesn’t mean that all criticism of him is false. I believe Michelle Fields and it is an outrageous slur for Kates to claim she is lying. What is your evidence Kates? See you have no evidence, merely that her statement makes you uncomfortable and makes your hero Donald Trump uncomfortable. So you automatically go for the ad hominem attack.

    Steve Kates no longer uses reason and logic. He is addicted to fallacy as much as he is addicted to the drug of Donald J Trump Jnr. Just look at how he always calls him ‘PDT’ – hardly a dispassionate way of referring to Trump.

    Just like any illegal narcotic, the drug of Donald J Trump Jnr. leaves a nasty hangover and can be quite dangerous when taken excessively.

    Yes I have called for Kates to be removed as a principal blogger here. He is a repetitive bore who eschews logic and is into hagiography. Let him make comments, sure, but not waste space with his wacky conspiracy theories. He really is no better than Bird.

    This is not a free speech issue. It is merely that Kates is debasing this blog with his ravings. Let him go off and set up his own conspiracy blog but, Sinc, while you allow Kates to post here he is damaging the brand of libertarianism.

  8. Adam D

    I like Kates post, not sure what Malcolm above is talking about but I find his post some of the best here (besides the comments).

    “I believe Michelle Fields and it is an outrageous slur for Kates to claim she is lying. What is your evidence Kates?”

    You believing is not enough evidence you have to feel it as well or alternatively actually have some evidence.

  9. struth

    See you have no evidence,

    The evidence is quite clear and there is video to prove it.

    Malcom, your TDS is making a true fool of you.
    You might do well to stop publicly humiliating yourself until you can get a grip on reality.

  10. Aristogeiton

    Who you gonna believe struth? Me, or your lying eyes?

  11. Just because some people have exaggerated or even lied about Donald Trump doesn’t mean that all criticism of him is false.

    Some people? How about the entire Democratic Party, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, the MSM (worldwide), every Leftist that’s stealing oxygen?

  12. Aristogeiton

    Meanwhile Uncle Joe is out there grabbing at pubescent girls, on camera: *crickets*. You people have no shame.

  13. Meanwhile Uncle Joe is out there grabbing at pubescent girls, on camera: *crickets*. You people have no shame.

    That’s ‘Creepy Uncle Joe’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-YjGmpO4Q

  14. Derp

    They continue to lose their minds and just make shit up over anything, even a home baked pecan pie.
    “Fake! Fake!”, they scream as they try to link it to the credibility of the Trump Administration, only to have the entire thing blow up in their face. AGAIN.

    Of course the kiddies now curating news.com.au are right on board with the beat up.

    Sanders is yet to respond to the comments.

    Late to the party and factually incorrect. Hopeless.

  15. Walter Plinge

    Lucky I kept a PDF copy of the original, should I want to quote from it with approval.

  16. Walter Plinge

    W. S. Gilbert got here first:

    Mel. Pray what authors should she read
    Who in Classics would succeed?

    Lady Psyche: If you’d cross the Helicon,
    You should read Anacreon,
    Ovid’s Metamorphoses,
    Likewise Aristophanes,
    And the works of Juvenal :
    These are worth attention, all ;
    But, if you will be advised,
    You will get them Bowdlerized!

    CHORUS
    Yes, we’ll do as we’re advised,
    We will get them Bowdlerized !

  17. Alexi the Conservative Russian

    “The attitude you need to take when reading anything from an MSM report is the same attitude you might take when buying a used car. Do not trust a thing you are told and make sure you verify everything you can from a separate source.” This is priceless, it should be taught to anyone who can read.

  18. Tim Neilson

    Just look at how he always calls him ‘PDT’ – hardly a dispassionate way of referring to Trump.

    He’s President, and his name is Donald Trump.

    So Steve calls him “PDT”, which is conveniently shorter to type than a full name, with or without title.

    And wacko psycho weirdo freako intergalactic fruit loop Malcolm see some sort of Jonestown/Knights Templar/alien lizard cultishness in that.

    Your problem is called “projection” Malcolm. Google it. Then get over your own deranged obsessions.

  19. Faye

    The more the Left hate you means the more they think you are their biggest threat.

  20. Faye

    I forgot to add – examples Trump and Abbott.

  21. .

    That Carp Murder story is beyond belief.

    I always wrote Dice off as an apocalyptic loon, but he still makes good commentary. I might even buy his book.

    Anyone who reckons fish (Carp paticularly) can eat too much and die…

    They must be offing themselves at alarming rates. Which explains the plague proportions the pests are in both Australia and the USA

  22. Malcolm

    Tim Nielson you idiot. It is Mr Donald J Trump Jnr, President of the United States of America. “President Trump” is not the correct form of address.

  23. Malcolm

    Struth – the video proves nothing. So far we have a statement from the victim and a 4 second video which does not and cannot show the full duration of when the perp could have attacked the victim.

    So unless you have other evidence to show that Michelle Fields is lying, shut the F up.

  24. Confused Old Misfit

    The Truth About the Michelle Fields ‘Assault’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkLrr9Ydl9g

    Fields, Lewandowski, and supporters of both are all lying about what happened.

  25. JohnA

    Walter Plinge #2567508, posted on November 27, 2017 at 9:27 am

    W. S. Gilbert got here first:

    +1

    My thoughts exactly!

  26. Tim Neilson

    It is Mr Donald J Trump Jnr, President of the United States of America.

    This is exactly correct!
    Steve should write that out in full every time he wants to refer to Trump, rather than using the shorthand “PDT” which is slavish cultism! Saying “Mr Donald J Trump Jnr, President of the United States of America” every time would add enormously to the readability of his posts.
    You KNOW it makes sense!!!

  27. Roger W

    On the original post, there were 12 comments before alexnoaholdmate wrote that the post “Seems like a bit of an abuse of Steve’s authority here, frankly”. Within 2 hours, and only 4 comments later, Sinclair was coming the Heavy Hand. Then followed 3 rather abusive comments from Malcolm, immediately followed by Sinclair’s “instinct” to take the post down. Malcolm doubled down with a classic leftist attempt to shut up any opposition: “Take it down. Ban Kates from the cat.”
    I assume a number of regular commentators on the blog know Boris and find him agreeable, if a little out of line with their own views, and wanted to protect him to a certain extent. Luckily, Boris G is big and ugly enough to look after himself, and said as much. As a result, Steve is not yet (I assume) in the Gulag receiving re-education sessions. However, if Boris had taken the Snowflake option and demanded a Safe Room, complete with colouring books and a soft toy to stroke, would we be in a different place now?
    Why was the instinctive default position, not just of a number of commenters but, more importantly, of Sinclair himself, to shut down debate? This smacked of the line taken by Google, Twitter, Facebook, the UK police and any endless number of other institutions, to essentially label articles verboten that may offend or make people feel uncomfortable. The term Hate Speech was not used but you felt it might almost be lingering on the fingertips of some commentators. That is a dark and worrying path to go down for Cat followers. BTW, for Sinclair to later write “Except I haven’t actually taken it down. That is a decision for Steve to make” is a little ingenuous, to say the least, given he has already expressed his feelings and can control Steve Kates’ ongoing posting.
    Oh come on, who earlier had thought Steve’s post was “a bit shabby”, later wrote, “I stand corrected – Borry wants the post to stay up. Nothing more to discuss re. taking it down.” But, again, this is saying that comment is only OK if no-one feels offended. That is the unhappy place Political Correctness has taken us to, without many people even realising it. The reality is that The Left is winning, Bigly, and even The Cat is not immune. What a sad day.

  28. Mother Lode

    I think Maolcolm’s monitor will be getting a bit of a spittle, mucus and bile crust on it.

    As for PDT, shouldn’t Maolcolm be referring to Kate’s as ‘Mr Steven Kates’?

    Oh, and since it can’t be said often enough: Fuck off, Septimus.

  29. Mother Lode

    “Mr Donald J Trump Jnr, President of the United States of America” every time would add enormously to the readability of his posts.

    But sometimes Kates might be referring to aspects of Trump not related to his being president – such as being husband to Melania. It would give the false impression that his being President has a significant connection to the marriage, whereas we know they were married beforehand (but we must never presume on common knowledge).

    It should be ‘Mr Donald J Trump Jnr, President of the United States of America, Husband of Melania, Billionaire, Bane of the Partisan Press, Ex-Presenter of a very Successful TV Program, Popper of Maolcolm’s Cerebral Aneurisms…etc.

    For clarity, you see.

  30. DrBeauGan

    Roger W, I think the problem is that some Çats think that SKates putting it up as a leader gives it extra authority and is an abuse of power. The power to reply not being equal.

    I don’t buy this. It’s an argument. So is any rebuttal. I don’t feel more or less likely to accept an argument because it comes with a header or is put up by a professor. If I discovered that Malcolm had a Nobel prize in physics, I’d still think he writes crap. It’s all about the argument.

    And yes, going down the ban it path is fundamentally wrong.

  31. DrBeauGan

    Oh, and Boris came out of it quite well. I still think he’s a chucklehead, but there’s a lot of chuckleheadedness about.

  32. Aristogeiton

    DrBeauGan
    #2567673, posted on November 27, 2017 at 11:59 am
    Oh, and Boris came out of it quite well. I still think he’s a chucklehead, but there’s a lot of chuckleheadedness about.

    Very classy that Boris. Arky take note.

  33. Jo Smyth

    The MSM lie, it’s a fact. It is only in the last few years that the truth has been out there to find. Steve Kates found the truth to the above article re the Carp, probably on You Tube. The truth is out there now but so many people still trust the power of the lying media. If Clinton had won the election there is no doubt that in time all these ‘truth’ channels would have slowly disappeared. The deal had already been done when Obama met with the heads of the organisations of Facebook, Twitter, Google etc. I don’t think people realise just how much their freedoms are being shut down. The proof is here. Steve Kates was told his post may be taken down and he could even be banned from the Cat because he dared to express an opinion about somebody. If that person had become ‘offended’ by the post and had taken the snowflake approach, then Steve Kates would have been the loser. Snowflakes would have won again. Fortunately, BorisG still believes people have a right to express an opinion as does Steve Kates.

  34. struth

    So unless you have other evidence to show that Michelle Fields is lying, shut the F up.

    All the evidence is in the video.
    She doesn’t say it occurred at any other time, it is precisely the nothing burger videoed.

    If you can’t see a bad tempered, spoilt little left wing slut miffed that she got pulled away from harassing The MIGHTY TRUMPMEISTER, by security that warned her first, it’s because your scrotum sack is full of TDS and blocking your vision.

    You are sick.
    Get help.

  35. Charlie

    a lot of lefties now see Howard as ok, which is just bizarre.

    Howard stole people’s guns and expanded immigration massively, including muslim immigration. He would be considered a leftist in any sane world

  36. Alan moran

    How can Malcolm not recognize Field is a liar. The clip demonstrates she was not manhandled and the authorities seen to accept this. She is clearly looking to create a celebrity Persona for herself.

  37. J.H.

    …AND, then there is MSNBC’s morning show, Morning Joe caught pretending that pre-taped, “day after Thanksgiving Show”, was Live…. Mika is there telling stories of how she nearly ruined the Thanksgiving Turkey and how much she overate….. and it’s all fukin’ fake!

    The Mains Stream Media are just incapable of portraying a true account of anything… even Thanksgiving Day.

    Everything they do is a fabrication. Deliberately fake. They barely bother even hiding it anymore…. and then they have the temerity to get outraged when you call them “Fake News”….. 0_O

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/11/26/fake-news-morning-joe-caught-pretending-pre-taped-day-thanksgiving-show-live/

  38. BorisG

    Why was the instinctive default position, not just of a number of commenters but, more importantly, of Sinclair himself, to shut down debate?

    Even though I disagreeing with sinc’s position, I can explain why he might have taken it

    1) while debate and expression of all sorts of views, including abuse, it welcome on cat, it is rather oncommon if not unique on cat to have an entire thread dedicated to criticism (to put it mildly) of one commenter, even if as an example of a wider phoenomen.

    3) it’s sinc’s blog and as such it is within his rights and authority to decide what he does and does not allow here. He may or may not listen to my opinion. This has nothing to do with curtailing freedom of speech. Sinc does not and cannot ban Steve or anyone else from starting their own blogs and write whatever they want. I would have hoped that cat commenters would have a better understanding of property rights versus government coercion.

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