Monday Forum: November 27, 2017

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  1. Peter

    Good selection thanks Tom

  2. Cold-Hands

    Liberal fury as freedom laws denied in same-sex marriage bill

    The Australian12:00AM November 29, 2017

    SIMON BENSON
    National Political EditorSydney
    @simonbenson

    DENNIS SHANAHAN
    Political EditorCanberra

    Malcolm Turnbull is facing mounting hostility among conservative MPs after an overwhelming majority of Coalition senators last night voted for amendments to the same-sex marriage bill only to be shot down when six Coalition senators, including three cabinet ministers, sided with Labor and the Greens to scuttle them.

    The move is likely to see Liberal senator Dean Smith’s bill rammed through the Senate unchanged as early as this morning, crushing attempts by 18 of 26 ­Coalition senators to secure significant amendments to broaden religious protections.

    Liberal frontbencher Zed ­Seselja last night accused colleagues of conspiring with the Greens and Labor to undermine the rights of parents and freedom of speech.

    Labor, Greens and a handful of Liberals are undermining freedom of speech, religion and parental rights in Australia by voting down these amendments($),” he said.

    The defeat of the first two rounds of amendments put by Liberal senators David Fawcett and James Paterson came as six No voting Labor senators buckled to internal pressure to not cross the floor in support of the amendments, prompting claims Labor’s conscience vote had been torn up.

    Cabinet ministers Simon Birmingham, Marise Payne and Nigel Scullion joined Senator Smith, Jane Hume and Linda Reynolds in voting against changes to the Smith bill, ensuring it will pass unamended. The remaining Fawcett/Paterson amendments, including parental rights, also failed.

    In a final bid late yesterday to secure a token protection measure, cabinet ministers Matt Canavan and Attorney-General George Brandis moved a reworked amendment to protect people from discrimination for expressing a religious view.

    Conservative MPs have warned that the Prime Minister faces a potentially hostile partyroom next week with six cabinet ministers and a growing number of frontbenchers supporting amendments, which will now be taken to the lower house when it returns next week to vote on the bill. The same-sex marriage split comes as Mr Turnbull faces pressure from the Nationals to support a commission of inquiry into the banks, as crossparty support mounted for the probe pushed by LNP senator Barry O’Sullivan.

    “He will have to respond to this and realise there is a problem. If the Smith bill had been put to a partyroom vote it would have had no chance of being passed,” one senior MP said. “He risks being completely out of step with his partyroom on this.”

    Queensland MP Scott Buchholz and senator Ian Macdonald yesterday criticised the Prime Minister for lacking an “inner mongrel”, saying he had failed to take on Labor with more “passion and aggression”.

    Senator Macdonald, who is based in Townsville, said Mr Turnbull — who has visited north Queensland only three times since last year’s federal election — was not appealing to Coalition supporters by playing to people “that will never vote for us”.

    In September, Mr Turnbull had offered hope to Christian groups and conservative MPs when he pledged to protect ­religious protections following the same-sex marriage survey.

    “I just want to reassure Australians that as strongly as I believe in the right of same-sex couples to marry, as strongly as I believe in that, even more strongly, if you like, do I believe in religious freedom,” Mr Turnbull said.

    “Religious freedom is fundamental and it will be protected in any bill that emerges from this ­parliament.”

    Scott Morrison, a leading proponent and most senior cabinet minister backing religious freedoms, tried to turn the tables on Labor, accusing Bill Shorten of binding his No-voting senators against backing the amendments and effectively reneging on a promise of a conscience vote.

    “Bill Shorten has turned his back on people of faith and ­religion, including Labor voters, for political advantage,” the Treasurer told The Australian. “Many people of faith voted against same-sex marriage in Labor electorates and wanted protections for ­religious freedoms.

    “If you are person of faith in Australia, you can have no faith in Bill Shorten and the Labor Party.”

    Senator Smith told The Australian religious freedoms “does not end with the passage of the same-sex marriage bill”.

    “The strength of the government’s pathway for legislating for marriage equality has always been its decision to allow individual ­Coalition senators a parliamentary free vote,” Senator Smith said.

    “This has allowed Coalition senators in good faith to represent the views of both Coalition Yes and No voters in designing the legal architecture for same-sex marriage. Equally, it has allowed the ventilation of various attitudes on how to best protect religious views and uphold our effective anti-discrimination laws.

    “The matter of religious freedoms in Australia does not end with the passage of the same-sex marriage bill.

    “It has been clearly demonstrated the matter warrants careful, comprehensive examination.

    “The result of the survey highlights many things, not least the need to carefully balance the contemporary values of many Australians with the more socially conservative approach of other Australians. Guaranteeing the co-existence of these attitudes is important for Australia and critical for the future electoral success of the Liberal Party.”

    Labor legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus denied Labor senators who had signalled an intention to vote with conservative Coalition MPs in favour of amendments had been stripped of a conscience vote.

    He said Labor MPs who were opposed to same-sex marriage would not get a conscience vote on enshrining further ­religious protections after the review of the freedoms ordered by Mr Turnbull and to be conducted by former Howard minister Philip Ruddock was completed next year.

    Labor senator Helen Polley, who has strongly suggested to ­Coalition senators that she would vote with the amendments, last night said she would oppose them on the basis there were “legitimate concerns regarding religious freedom” that should be investigated in the Ruddock review.

    “It’s important that these issues be investigated by the Ruddock review and that religious freedom protections in Australia be considered in greater detail,” she said.

    “Those who know me know that I have always had a very strong view regarding marriage.

    “Unless we ensure appropriate protections are in place, this is the type of intolerance incident I fear could become the norm if safeguards are not put in place in the future,” Senator Polley said.

    Turnbull has reneged on his promises yet again.
    Simon Birmingham, Marise Payne, Nigel Scullion, Dean Smith, Jane Hume and Linda Reynolds voted against the amendments.
    Gutless Sinodinos, Brandis & Scott Ryan abstained.
    Turnbull’s born-to-rule attitude & political ineptitude combine to alienate his partyroom and further divorce his government from its conservative base. It can’t be long now.

  3. Bear Necessities

    Move over Phil Ruddock you are a amateur compared to John Conyers in the US House of Reps. He is a 27 term rep (54 years) in Congress. He is 88 at the moment. The people get what they deserve good and hard.

  4. notafan

    This isn’t a Chinese versus Muslim thing.

    This is a no good Sam Dastyari thing.

    Oh btw Sam your latest Trump tweet was hilarious.


    Here’s the Sam Dastyari story

  5. notafan

    Twitter pundit Thomas Wictor examined all evidence and called Steve Paddock a lone wolf ( rightly so)

    Now he has had a long hard look at Roy Moore and calls him innocent, though he disagrees with him on social issues.

    Some people are so blinded by their prejudices don’t see that people of conscience like to examine the facts and then draw a conclusion, even if they’d rather not.

    It’s like science or something.

  6. Herodotus

    intelligence agencies believe that Ali’s alleged radicalisation has less to do with the Somalian community than a multi­-ethnic network of Muslim extremists across Melbourne.

    There’s that “small minority of misunderstanders” again!
    We’ve progressed from being fed bollocks to having our cities bollardised.

  7. notafan

    So what if it’s less Somalian and more muslim all sorts?

    Some of us remember that the Muslims behind the attempted Holdsworthy Barracks terror plot were All Shabaab inspired Somalia.

    So yeah nah

    Holdsworthy Barracks terror plot

  8. A Lurker

    Turnbull has reneged on his promises yet again.
    Simon Birmingham, Marise Payne, Nigel Scullion, Dean Smith, Jane Hume and Linda Reynolds voted against the amendments.
    Gutless Sinodinos, Brandis & Scott Ryan abstained.
    Turnbull’s born-to-rule attitude & political ineptitude combine to alienate his partyroom and further divorce his government from its conservative base. It can’t be long now.

    It was to be expected. The Termite and his colony should, by rights, be kicked out of the Liberal party, but the Liberal party is no longer what it was. It is now a Socialist party in all but name, right down to the anti-freedom agenda of the totalitarian Greens.

    If the Liberals won’t move to get their house in order, then only one thing can be done. Those who still believe in freedom and liberty need to leave the Liberals and either sit on the cross-bench or join Australian Conservatives.

  9. Rae

    Could be an interesting day. It seems North Korea has launched another missile.

  10. Baldrick

    … six No voting Labor senators buckled to internal pressure to not cross the floor in support of the amendments, prompting claims Labor’s conscience vote had been torn up.

    Love is Love and anybody that says differently will be shot.

  11. Baldrick

    #2569457, posted on November 29, 2017 at 6:33 am

    Fuck off you Kitteh stalking troll.

  12. Simon Birmingham, Marise Payne, Nigel Scullion, Dean Smith, Jane Hume and Linda Reynolds voted against the amendments.
    Gutless Sinodinos, Brandis & Scott Ryan abstained.

    We must do everything within our power to remove this scum and lees from our Parliament.
    Sinistra delenda est.

  13. Leo G

    The move is likely to see Liberal senator Dean Smith’s bill rammed through the Senate unchanged as early as this morning, crushing attempts by 18 of 26 ­Coalition senators to secure significant amendments to broaden religious protections.

    George Brandis was reported this morning as saying that the bill “removes the last vestige of illegal discrimination against homosexuals”.
    Illegal?

  14. Diogenes

    Sinistra delenda est

    No factio liberali delenda est

  15. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hehe…Delingpole does The Big Battery today.

    Delingpole: Elon Musk Cons South Australia out of $50 million

    Whoever handles Elon Musk’s public relations deserves a medal.
    The slippery snake oil salesman and rent-seeker extraordinaire has been down to South Australia – now reduced, pretty much, to a third world state under its disastrous left-wing administration – and conned the hapless locals out of $50 million to build them an all-but-useless giant battery to make up for the energy they have lost by blowing up their coal-fired power station and relying on wind power instead.

    Sadly he missed the juiciest bit – the installation of 276 MW of diesel gensets.
    So on hottest days the battery is effectively going to be filled up using wind energy solar power diesel generators. Oh the irony!

  16. Brandis wrote a love letter yesterday for SS’M’ but last night he abstained. Is there are greater Tartuffe in our Parliament today?

  17. A Lurker

    George Brandis was reported this morning as saying that the bill “removes the last vestige of illegal discrimination against homosexuals”.

    However, soon it will be completely legal to discriminate, vilify and intimidate Christians, Conservatives and Conscientious Objectors to SSM.

    p.s. Anyone else suspect that Brandis might secretly be ‘batting for the other team’?

  18. A Lurker

    Btw, does anyone know if those anti-freedom of speech provisions that Brandis brought in a month or two ago ever get rescinded?

  19. removes the last vestige of illegal discrimination

    How could it be illegal yesterday? The man is a giant knob.

  20. Mother Lode

    What is telling about Brandis and his character is that he shows absolutely no awareness of how conscience can figure into people’s actions. Perhaps he has heard the word, but he doesn’t understand it as anything more than ‘preference’ or ‘style’.

    I think we can take it that the blubbering mound of jelly doesn’t have one.

    I wonder if he thinks anyone likes him? He probably thinks he has done well becoming so important to Turnbull, but then no one likes him either.

    He really is just the fly that brings the disease from the turd to outside into the kitchen.

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    Twitter pundit Thomas Wictor examined all evidence and called Steve Paddock a lone wolf ( rightly so)

    Now he has had a long hard look at Roy Moore and calls him innocent, though he disagrees with him on social issues.

    It looks like a lot of people in Alabama have been doing the same thing as Mr Wictor:

    Voters increasingly skeptical of allegations against Roy Moore in Alabama Senate race

    Alabama voters are increasingly skeptical of the accusations against GOP Senate nominee Roy Moore, according to new polling released this week that also shows Mr. Moore has recovered his lead in the race.

    In the middle of November Mr. Moore had lost his lead in the Change Research survey of voters, but is once again back on top in a survey Monday with a 49-44 advantage, the polling company said.

    The margin among voters who believe the allegations versus disbelieve them stands at 42-38, or almost even. Just 10 days ago, the margin was 46-30 in favor of the believers, the poll found.

    If I were McConnell I’d be scared, having damned Moore after the WaPo hit piece came out. This poll number implies that the Republican voter base are going to be very angry with the GOP establishment grandees.

  22. Top Ender

    North Korea fired a ballistic missile early on Wednesday, South Korean military officials said, the first such launch in two months and just a week after the US slapped fresh sanctions on the hermit state and declared it a state sponsor of terrorism.

    The North has stoked international alarm over its banned nuclear missile program but before Wednesday had not staged a missile test since September 15, raising hopes that ramped-up sanctions were having an impact.

    US government experts said they believed North Korea could conduct a new missile test within days.

    The missile flew east from South Pyongang Province, the military Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) said.

    The US Pentagon said it had detected a “probable missile launch” from North Korea.

    South Korea’s military staged a “precision strike” missile exercise in response, Yonhap news agency said, also quoting the JCS.

  23. Baldrick

    Yarn: a long or rambling story, especially one that is implausible.

    Alex Beech ✔ @AlexHBeech(ABC Politics A.M.)
    .Sam Dastyari’s put out a statement responding to the Fairfax yarn …

    How very ABC.

  24. Top Ender

    One of the youngest children in Australian legal history to be charged with murder, an 11-year-old boy, was so keen to be ­involved in a pack attack in the centre of Perth that he reached into a vomit-stained bin looking for weapons, the Perth Children’s Court has been told.

    Prosecutor Sean Stocks yesterday said the boy was leading, not following, his group of relatives and friends as they pursued 26-year-old Patrick Slater and his relatives near the Esplanade train station in the early hours of January 27 last year. The two groups had been in the city for an Australia Day concert and fireworks, but stayed late and clashed three times over the course of the night. The conflict began as arguing mostly between females and escalated, the court has been told.

    Slater, who had a machete, was set upon by a group of males, including the boy, in an alcove where there was no CCTV footage and sustained a sharp wound to the chest that punctured his aorta and lungs, the prosecution alleges. Mr Stocks had earlier told the court the fatal injury was caused by a screwdriver that CCTV captured the boy holding less than a minute later. It was coated in Slater’s blood.

    Yesterday the boy, now 13 but still very small for his age, sat in the dock between two guards as Mr Stocks gave his closing ­address to children’s court chief judge Denis Reynolds. Mr Stocks said the boy’s group collected weapons, including bottles, to throw at Slater’s group, a wooden stake from a construction site and bits of concrete from broken pavers.

    Mr Stocks said the boy knew his female friend had just been sick in a bin — also captured on CCTV — but rummaged through it anyway because he wanted to be part of the attack on Slater’s group. The boy, whose name is suppressed because he is a minor, has pleaded guilty to manslaughter but the state alleges he is guilty of murder.

    The case continues.

    Perth not so nice any more

  25. Snoopy

    Is the idea, being pushed hard by reef scientists and the ABC, that the GBR must be reseeded by (government-funded) reef scientists, stupidity, avarice or conceit?

  26. Sydney Boy

    Here’s the Sam Dastyari story

    So what does Monty have to say about this?

  27. stackja

    Sam Dastyari warned Chinese donor his phone might be tapped
    The Daily Telegraph
    23 minutes ago
    Subscriber only
    Labor senator Sam Dastyari reportedly warned a well-known Chinese political donor that his phone might be tapped during a face-to-face meeting in Sydney, just weeks after he resigned from the frontbench over his dealings with the businessman.

    Senator Dastyari told Huang Xiangmo, who has links to the Chinese Communist Party, that they should leave their phones inside when they met at the man’s Mosman mansion in October last year.

    The high-profile Labor MP believed his phone was being tapped by government agencies, including the US government, Fairfax Media reported on Wednesday.

    The meeting came less than a month after Senator Dastyari stepped down as consumer affairs spokesman and manager of opposition business in the Senate.

    His parliamentary fall from grace followed revelations he’d allowed Mr Huang to pay a personal debt and reportedly took a pro-China stance on the South China Sea – at odds with Labor’s position.

    Senator Dastyari on Wednesday denied any wrongdoing in meeting with Mr Huang. “After the events of last year, I spoke to Mr Huang to tell him that I did not think it was appropriate that we have future contact,” he told Fairfax. “I thought it was a matter of common courtesy to say this face-to-face.”

  28. Snoopy

    I’m guessing Alex Beech is blessed with the AM’s generic harpy voice?

  29. Diogenes

    Forgot who asked about the moustache protector last night.

    Mine was simple material like a cut down surgical mask or eye mask – shaped to fit under the nose, and across the cheeks. As you could image Mrs D hated it & was so pleased when I finally stopped waxing/pointing and trimmed it sometime during our first year of marriage.

    The one in MOTOE looked like a hard leather mask that was shaped like the moustache with big straps (like Hannibal Lectors’s)

  30. Top Ender

    First time I’ve seen the name of the accused:

    Man faces court over alleged NYE terror plan

    A MAN accused of an alleged terrorist plot to attack Federation Square in Melbourne on New Year’s Eve has made no bid for freedom as he appeared briefly in court today.

    Ali Khalif Shire Ali, 20, faced Melbourne Magistrates’ Court charged with preparing to commit a terrorist attack and collecting documents to facilitate a terrorist act. No details of his alleged plan were aired in court.

    He sat quietly in court, his eyes wandering around the room, as dates were discussed for when his case would be ready to progress.

    His lawyer Sarah Condon said they would not be applying for bail today.

    She noted his age and that it was his first time in custody.

    Magistrate Simon Zebrowski remanded him, adding on to his file that he was “vulnerable due to age and appearance”.

    His case was adjourned to March 13 when he is expected to appear via video link for a committal mention.

    Charge sheets released by the court revealed Mr Ali “did an act in preparation for, or planning a terrorist act” between March 31 and April 6 this year.

    On or about June 27, it is also alleged he intentionally collected a document “that was connected with the preparation for, or assistance in a terrorist attack”. The 20-yearold, who is known to friends as Ali Shire, was once a student at Swinburne University in Hawthorn.

    It is believed federal authorities have known about the man’s alleged extremist leanings for several years.

    The man, born in Australia to Somalian parents, was taken into custody by Special Operations Group police at 3pm in Werribee on Monday.

    It is alleged he planned to shoot “as many people as he could” in the attack, police claim.

    Victoria Police and the AFP say the threat has been contained and there is no ongoing risk posed by the man.

    NT News complete story – print edition

  31. Snoopy

    How many times has Shorten appointed this traitorous filth to a senior position?

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Magistrate Simon Zebrowski remanded him, adding on to his file that he was “vulnerable due to age and appearance”.

    Vulnerable?
    You mean like a 15 year old with their brains splattered all over Fed Square?
    And why is he vulnerable due to his “appearance”?
    Your blindfold is slipping yer ‘onner.

  33. Mater

    Civilization in 2017- this is priceless!
    WELCOME to 2017
    � Our Phones – Wireless
    � Cooking – Fireless
    � Cars – Keyless
    � Food – Fatless
    � Tires -Tubeless
    � Dress – Sleeveless
    � Youth – Jobless
    � Leaders – Shameless
    � Relationships – Meaningless
    � Attitudes – Careless
    � Babies – Fatherless
    � Feelings – Heartless
    � Education – Valueless
    � Children – Mannerless

    We are – SPEECHLESS,
    Government – is CLUELESS,
    And our Politicians – are WORTHLESS!

    I’m scared – Shitless!

  34. Senator Dastardly takes senate standards to new heights.

    I wonder how the PRC would treat a party member who is indulging in espionage for the Australian government?

  35. How come John Alexander et. al. get flung out of parliament based on our interpretation of the constitution while Sam has serious questions to answer on the point of allegiance to foreign powers. Are we waiting for a referral to the high court, or does everyone just expect that case to be rejected as readily as unknown citizenships are seized upon?

  36. lotocoti

    I wonder how the PRC would treat a party member …

    Two ways.
    A secret trial then a firing squad.
    A show trial, twenty years in a harsh regime camp then a firing squad.

  37. mc

    How come John Alexander et. al. get flung out of parliament based on ….

    I think Sam is safe because he can argue that he had no other allegiances at time of nomination….he has been bought out since.

  38. Senile Old Guy

    Simon Birmingham, Marise Payne, Nigel Scullion, Dean Smith, Jane Hume and Linda Reynolds voted against the amendments.
    Gutless Sinodinos, Brandis & Scott Ryan abstained.

    Every one of these should be ejected, with prejudice, from the Liberal, so called “conservative”, party. They are in favour of lawfare against anyone who argues in favour of traditional (i.e. real) marriage. They are against freedom of speech and in favour of discrimination. There are sound religious and secular reasons to be against SSM but, in Australia, you will now be prosecuted and persecuted for saying so. The question is not now if people will be persecuted and prosecuted for stating their belief in traditional marriage but when. Oh, wait, even before SSM was enacted, people were being persecuted and prosecuted.

    The Liberal party is no more. Turnbull and his left wing enablers have gutted it. It is time to put it out of our misery.

  39. It would be good to know who made the initial approach.

  40. Rev. Archibald

    Homo poltegeist update.
    I don’t think it is a gay.
    It spent some time walking up and down the passage and singing last night.
    Sounds like a chick.
    Knocked my phone and wallet out of my hand this morning.

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    Get your emergency hijab kit before it’s too late!

    Dalhousie Offers ’Emergency Hijab Kits’ For Women Facing Violence On Campus

    Maybe they can offer Kevlar-reinforced ones for home use too.
    On the other hand I’ve never seen an emergency kippah kit on offer.
    There must be a market for such things.
    Dalhousie could provide emergency Antifa masks for when their kiddies have an identifiability crisis.
    And I think an emergency brain replacement kit for when a lefty student sees the kippah vending machine and their head explodes.

  42. Rev. Archibald

    … so what we are looking at with this here haunting is a manly chick with thick fingers and a beautiful singing voice.
    Does anyone know if George Brandis can hold a tune?

  43. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Why a stacked judiciary is vital for the looting class and will retired public servants incite civil conflict?

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/illinois-supreme-court-rules-against-pensions/

  44. Boambee John

    Mother Lode at 0710

    He really is just the fly that brings the disease from the turd to outside into the kitchen.

    One of the Australian doctors on the Burma-Siam railway would lecture the prisoners on the 4Fs of sickness transmission in the camps.

    Faeces, flies, fingers, food.

    Brandarse is a combination of the first two!

  45. Boambee John

    Sydney Boy
    #2569482, posted on November 29, 2017 at 7:42 am
    Here’s the Sam Dastyari story

    So what does Monty have to say about this?

    m0nty has been quiet lately, is he in Malmo?

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    Homo poltegeist update.
    I don’t think it is a gay.
    It spent some time walking up and down the passage and singing last night.
    Sounds like a chick.

    Arky – If you wave your wand at it and cry Riddickulous! she will flee in terror.
    Just make sure first that it’s not the other type or you’ll be in real strife.

  47. Senile Old Guy

    Quadrant seems to be running a Bring Back Abbott line:

    There are arguments against the return of Abbott PM, some of them valid, but the most asinine, the one most widely espoused, is that Abbott didn’t do in government what he is proposing to do now: reform the Senate, kill the green energy monster etc. If his current policy prescriptions are correct, and I, for one, believe they are, then all that matters is that someone capable of implementing them be given the opportunity to do so. There is daylight between Abbott and the rest of the field in terms of profile, track record, commitment, determination and sheer parliamentary pugnacity. What Abbott did or didn’t do in the past is irrelevant. Do we think he is totally incapable of learning from his mistakes? Hardly likely; he has admitted them himself.

    According to the author, it is “asinine” to reject an Abbott rerun because of his past behaviour. Say, what? Generally, the best predictor of someone’s future behaviour is what they did in the past. The author considers this “asinine”. He also considers what “Abbott did or didn’t do in the past is irrelevant”! Sure, people can change but Abbott got done by the LNP when he was PM and I see no reason to believe that this would not happen again. In fact, given that several from the party voted against amendments protecting freedom of speech, I see many reasons to expect the LNP to continue to track further and further left.

  48. Geriatric Mayfly

    Magistrate Simon Zebrowski remanded him, adding on to his file that he was “vulnerable due to age and appearance”.

    Pic of same at The Oz site. Fetching or no?

  49. Boambee John

    rambler at 0805

    I wonder how the PRC would treat a party member who is indulging in espionage for the Australian government?

    Single bullet to back of skull, cost charged to family.

  50. John Constantine

    We’re gonna need bigger bollards.

  51. John Constantine

    How would the Chinese government treat saboteurs found in the pay of Soros?.

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    We’re gonna need bigger bollards.

    Christmas ones.

    HOW QUAINT: Anti-terrorism concrete barriers are being disguised by wrapping them up as Christmas presents under the tree

    The UK’s City of Culture 2017 now has the concrete barriers around Queen Victoria Square wrapped in the style of Christmas presents and topped with the addition of a tree. The large concrete blocks designed to stop terrorists in their tracks are now part of Hull’s Christmas decorations.

    Sadly they could never do this in Melbourne as it would be islamophobic.

  53. Anne

    What if North Korea is not actually a country but a US Deep State, Global Government Military Base for the purposes of starting WW3 and bringing in the New World Order.

    Today’s feint would also be a handy distraction from the 4,300 odd sealed indictments which will see thousands of US political Elites arrested.

    The foul swamp creature I most want to see cuffed is, Loretta Lynch.

  54. notafan

    It’s great isn’t in BoN?

    Easter bunny bollards are next.

  55. calli

    Gee, I wonder how they will decorate the barriers for Ramadan?

    Forget Ramadan. Crosses on top for Easter?

  56. Rabz

    Apologies – I’m writing this through a red mist.

    Beryl Gladyschlocklian and her “rights protecting government” of imbeciles are absolutely fucking hopeless.

    The monumental fuckwits can’t even alter the train timetables without completely fucking them up, just like they’ve fucked up everything else they’ve ever touched.

    Leaving home and work each day at the same time I now get into work fifteen minutes later and get home fifteen minutes later as well.

    Grate work, you fucking clueless morons.

  57. Snoopy

    Monty has been very quiet since Christine Forster’s attacker was charged with the assault which never happened. He’s trying to come up with a plausible excuse for attempting to deny justice to the female victim of a violent assault.

  58. notafan

    Calli.

    Can’t be crosses because that would be offensive to muslims.

  59. Geriatric Mayfly

    calli
    #2569530, posted on November 29, 2017 at 8:58 am
    Another disturbance…

    There’s been a few of these lately. Have you discovered ‘dark energy?’

  60. cuckoo

    Sadly they could never do this in Melbourne as it would be islamophobic.

    Has anyone suggested veiling the concrete cubes which now infest the Bourke Street Mall in Melbourne in black velvet, thereby making them mini Ka’abas? Surely that would be a gesture of outreach. (Don’t say Baa-Baa, say Ka’aba!)

  61. calli

    just like they’ve fucked up everything else they’ve ever touched.

    With the exception of the NW rail and the M1 tunnel.

  62. calli

    Can’t be crosses because that would be offensive to muslims.

    Good. Bring it.

  63. Rabz

    With the exception of the NW rail and the M1 tunnel.

    Grate. I’ll keep that in mind next time I’m traversing the bomb site that is George st.

  64. Snoopy

    Could the bollards be dressed up as miniature Kaabas

  65. H B Bear

    The Chinks certainly got their moneys worth when they bought the Persian Dwarf. Best political buy since the CFMEU picked up the Greenfilth for $50,000 a while back.

  66. Dr Faustus

    Looks like Turnbull has finally got practical politics sorted:

    1) Kick issues of religious conscience into the long grass with the Ruddock Review;
    2) SSM Legislation acceptable to the incoming ALP/Green Government rammed through the Senate by the Fist of Brandis;
    3) Signature achievement preserved in song and story for all time.

    Winner…

  67. C.L.

    Aria awards show the gulf between talent and posers.
    Daryl Braithwaite accepts the Hall of Fame award with humour and genuine humility.
    Some shit new band, Gang of Youths, accepts an award and does a political, vitue signalling wankerthon.
    Next, two white guys thank the past, present and virtual custodians of the smoke machine for letting them toss off on stage.

    I actually watched some of the ARIAS awards. Not one song by a contemporary performer will be remembered 12 months from now. All garbage.

    The worst moment was the tribute to Malcolm Young – which was talentless yelling ignoramus Jimmy Barnes butchering ‘High Voltage’ (video).

  68. lotocoti

    Could the bollards be dressed up as miniature Kaabas

    Better not.
    That whole Kaaba thing is seen as idolatry by ISIS.

  69. Mother Lode

    Can’t be crosses because that would be offensive to muslims.

    Should be crosses with spring-loaded bases so when the offended Muzzies try to knock them over they spring back up.

    It will be endless fun watching them do it again and again for hours – after all, isn’t their own history really just the same few acts being repeated over millenia? If it wasn’t for the discovery of oil in the ME (not their doing) or the West’s vacating its moral position (because doing the bare minimum is still harder than doing nothing), the Muzzies would still be riding about in the desert squabbling with, shooting or stabbing at each other but having long forgotten why.

  70. C.L.

    Cricket Australia announces new rules for children … and they’re quintessentially Australian.
    Like, they can no longer get out.

  71. Slim Cognito

    I actually watched some of the ARIAS awards.

    So did I unfortunately. Every half baked SJW wanna be was virtue signalling to the max. Seemed like they were trying to outdo each other.

  72. Rococo Liberal

    Rabz
    Remeber Carr and the ALP coruptto-politics of the 200s and then shut the fuck up.

  73. C.L.

    Another great call by ASIO.
    They tried to recruit the man now under arrest for planning a massacre.
    We’re in the very best of hands.

  74. Snoopy

    Cricket Australia announces new rules for children … and they’re quintessentially Australian.
    Like, they can no longer get out.

    A cunning plan to foster bowling talent?

  75. Rabz

    Fuck off you posturing little conveyancing clerk.

    The liberals are completely fucked.

  76. Northshore Redneck

    Lizzie,

    Where did you see news of the venue cancellation? I can’t find anything on it.

  77. H B Bear

    Cricket Australia announces new rules for children … and they’re quintessentially Australian.
    Like, they can no longer get out.

    Actually it makes a lot of sense. Cricket is a useless game for small kids.

  78. Mother Lode

    I Just have to say that Bolta’s and Blair’s mods give me the irrits something fierce.

    There is no telling what bunches their panties. Even ponderous thought out arguments will get caught in the nets.

    Maybe I have just become to accustomed to the wild, boisterous (and rather better informed) tussling of the Cat.

    Going to their sites and posting what is intended as innocuous is received like visiting a staid prudish old aunt and saying “Fark! Hot as or what! Gotta beer?”

  79. Baldrick

    Lying liar:

    “I just want to reassure Australians that as strongly as I believe in the right of same-sex couples to marry, I also believe in religious freedom and it will be protected in any bill.” – Malcolm Turnbull 19 Sep 2017.

  80. Baldrick

    Where did you see news of the venue cancellation? I can’t find anything on it.

    Check here under the Sydney dates Redneck. The new venue won’t be announced until 7 days prior.

  81. Mother Lode

    “I just want to reassure Australians that as strongly as I believe in the right of same-sex couples to marry, I also believe in religious freedom and it will be protected in any bill.” – Malcolm Turnbull 19 Sep 2017.

    The Liberal party has determined that pooves have more right to your conscience than you do – when it comes to making your choices you must abandon your own conscience if they say so on pain of fines and/or imprisonment.

    It all shows how the left, for all of its posturing about greater goods, is just the stalking horse of self-serving spivs, venal opportunists, machiavellian backstabbers, profligate rapacious wastrels and predators. Wherever power is concentrated legions of left wingers settle on it like flies on shit because the power over others property and freedoms is what they are truly after.

  82. entropy

    Wherever power is concentrated legions of left wingers settle on it like flies on shit because the power over others property and freedoms is what they are truly after.

    No need to constrain what the left want to do. There are no limitations to their desire to grind their boot in your face.

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    INDIGENOUS
    Much-needed GST funding diverted to urbanite indigenous

    The Australian
    12:00AM November 29, 2017
    Amos Aikman
    Northern correspondent
    Darwin
    @amosaikman

    Cosseted urbanites who belatedly self-identify as indigenous are ­ripping much-needed funds from the pockets of their disadvantaged brethren in remote communities farther north, according to one of the nation’s highest-profile Aboriginal bodies.

    The Yothu Yindi Foundation, which runs the annual Garma Festival in Arnhem Land, yesterday told the Productivity Commission that counting indigeneity in the formula used to allocate GST revenue might be hurting those in areas with the highest need.

    YYF representatives said “exponential” growth in the indigenous-identifying populations of southern states — over and above that attributable to natural factors — was “draining away” money from the Northern Territory.

    Bob Beadman, who previously chaired the local branch of the body responsible for implementing the GST formula, said YYF was also concerned about identity “fraud” and called for “greater efforts to distinguish degrees of need among the Aboriginal population”.

    “We believe the self-identification provision in the census is encouraging people to come ­forward for reasons of their own. Some of those reasons might be to do with the work of genealogists … if there was an indigenous ancestor 200 years ago, suddenly an ­entirely new family appears on the census data as indigenous,” Mr Beadman said.

    “We know from census data that 80 per cent of marriages interstate are to a non-indigenous partner, and the kids of that union then become indigenous … all of this growth in numbers is drawing money away from the Territory.”

    Mr Beadman made the comments at a PC hearing into the horizontal fiscal equalisation formula, which governs the Commonwealth Grants Commission’s allocation of GST. Over half the Territory government’s annual budget typically consists of GST.

    “A double university-degree, double-income family in their own house in Parramatta should have much lesser value in the weighting that the CGC would give to an indigenous family (as compared) with (a family consisting of) several intergenerational levels of welfare dependency, all unemployed and in a humpy in a remote community like Papunya,” he said.

    From the Oz. Isn’t this what Andrew Bolt was drawn, hanged and quartered for saying, some time ago?

  84. Snoopy

    Joe and Zoe pleasure each other over the Nork missile test.

  85. Leigh Lowe

    Snoopy

    #2569532, posted on November 29, 2017 at 9:02 am

    Monty has been very quiet since Christine Forster’s attacker was charged with the assault which never happened. He’s trying to come up with a plausible excuse for attempting to deny justice to the female victim of a violent assault.

    Did he not explain the tattered jacket by suggesting that lesbians by cheap Chinese clothes which tear easily under pressure?

  86. H B Bear

    I expect Uncle George has pulled mUnty’s monthly retainer. He really has been phoning it in lately.

  87. C.L.

    Actually it makes a lot of sense. Cricket is a useless game for small kids.

    No. For more than a hundred years, children had their own rules for backyard/beach games and then faced the music in the formal game, yearning to do well there. That was the way to learn, to strive, to accomplish things; or to fail and try harder. The new policy is infantile Marxism, teaching children that failure and disappointment are bad and should be outlawed.

  88. Northshore Redneck

    Thanks Baldrick.

    Lots of reading between the lines there. The event is supposed to be tomorrow night, the lack of direct comms to ticket holders about the date change is pretty poor.

  89. H B Bear

    Bob Beadman, who previously chaired the local branch of the body responsible for implementing the GST formula, said YYF was also concerned about identity “fraud” and called for “greater efforts to distinguish degrees of need among the Aboriginal population”.

    I think Bob is talking about one of these.

  90. struth

    The ARIAS again prove what we know has happened to the music industry, and as we talked about recently regarding triple J.
    Completely owned by the left.
    That’s why the standard is so poor.
    Little nobodies with zero talent promoted way above their ability because they will “recognise tradition owners”, sing about lesbian love, blah blah or just be fat white or (as was the case) an asian kid who think putting on an aboriginal flag T Shirt makes them black in hilarious stupidity.
    I was almost expecting a certain English comedian to come out and “rap”.
    Ali G.
    I expected it, but it was actually a little worse than expected.
    Leftism kills.

    And it kills music.
    Those kids willing to sacrifice themselves to it for the sake of perceived fame will never do any good out of it, and those with talent would do far better without what in reality is the left keeping them down.

    A sad sickness of a show, I cynically watched to see if an old covers type solo artist like myself could see if there was anything worth covering.
    There is not.
    As expected.

    The dopey over botoxed idiot from NZ and does the morning show doing voice overs you know he doesn’t believe.
    It’s always been the case, however, now , with the desperately talentless acts presented, it just goes to remind us all of the whores that are our media.
    That’s all you could take from the show.
    Whores, filthy whores the lot of them.

  91. struth

    Again, it was only a few years ago that a dim bulb by the name of John Bulter talked left wing shit at the Arias and it upset many.

    The fact that nobody was upset by the goings on at this year’s ARIAS is a reflection of the fact the left have killed it.
    Nobody watches it except schoolkids (which is who they are after) and the left themselves.

  92. egg_

    The Iranian pr0n dwarf is now embroiled in Huang-gate?
    Hu Huang up on who?
    Who’d’ve thunk it?

  93. egg_

    I expect Uncle George has pulled mUnty’s monthly retainer. He really has been phoning it in lately.

    He’s busily counting the earnings at a Bunnings sausage sizzle that’s inexplicably chronically short of sausages?

  94. Roger

    It’s a mystery.

    Why do 25 per cent of Australians feel negativity towards Muslims?

    Note the admission of the survey author: “In self-completion surveys the figure would be 40%”.

    More like 50%, I’d suggest. Main reasons: treatment of women and refusal to integrate.

    So much for a survey that purports to measure social cohesion.

  95. H B Bear

    The Iranian pr0n dwarf is now embroiled in Huang-gate?

    You don’t get far in dwarf pron unless you are well Huang.

  96. egg_

    H B Bear
    #2569638, posted on November 29, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Tag!

  97. C.L.

    I think the entire nation just wants Jimmy Barnes to go away.
    Back to Scotland, preferably.

  98. H B Bear

    The fact that nobody was upset by the goings on at this year’s ARIAS is a reflection of the fact the left have killed it.

    Only a matter of time before it joined the AFI awards as an unwatched circle jerk, which pretty much sums up most Australia movies.

  99. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    More like 50%, I’d suggest. Main reasons: treatment of women and refusal to integrate.

    An endless demand for concessions, coupled with a pointblank refusal to make any concession at all?

  100. Snoopy

    The Scanlon Foundation’s Mapping Social Cohesion survey polled 1,500 people between June and July this year. It asked respondents 77 questions on a range of issues including immigration, democracy, the economy and society.

    Question 1: Are you a racist?

    Question 2: If you answered ‘No’ to Question 1 are you absolutely sure?

  101. stackja

    Snoopy
    #2569655, posted on November 29, 2017 at 11:07 am

    Peter Scanlon grew up in Melbourne’s working-class Coburg. He built a successful logistics and stevedoring business Patrick Corporation. He made $377 million from the sale of Patrick to Toll Holdings in 2006. Some of that cash was put into the investment vehicle that turned into new logistics business Qube Holdings. Scanlon’s stake in Qube was worth as little as $33 million in the dog days after it listed on the Australian Securities Exchange but its value has strengthened in the past few years. Scanlon’s investment company Taverners Group sold 10 million Qube shares for $19.45 million in September. His stake is still worth nearly $150 million. Scanlon wealth is underpinned by a large portfolio of stocks and properties, including a half-share in a $1 billion residential property development in the south-eastern suburbs undertaken with the Smorgon family.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/brw-rich-200-list-201463-peter-scanlon-family-20140626-jy97f#ixzz4zmAoi9Lq
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  102. Tintarella di Luna

    Simon Birmingham, Marise Payne, Nigel Scullion, Dean Smith, Jane Hume and Linda Reynolds voted against the amendments.
    Gutless Sinodinos, Brandis & Scott Ryan abstained.

    We must do everything within our power to remove this scum and lees from our Parliament.
    Sinistra delenda est.

    The Liberal party is dead but looks the maggots are either abstaining for voting against the rights of the voters to go about their businesses without interference and abuse.

  103. Tintarella di Luna

    I think the entire nation just wants Jimmy Barnes to go away.
    Back to Scotland, preferably.

    I note he thinks that by being loved by leftists will boost the sale of his recent book. Not realising that unless the taxpayer pays for it the left most certainly won’t fork out any of their ill-gotten for it.

  104. Tintarella di Luna

    The Iranian pr0n dwarf is now embroiled in Huang-gate?

    You don’t get far in dwarf pron unless you are well Huang.

    H.B. Bear – mind ma tay –

  105. Farmer Gez

    C.L.
    I was looking forward to the Malcolm Young tribute after suffering through the earlier shite but tiredness got the better of me after twelve hours in a grain truck. Sleep was the winner by the sounds of it.

  106. Stimpson J. Cat

    Cricket Australia announces new rules for children … and they’re quintessentially Australian.
    Like, they can no longer get out.

    They are terrible.
    My son invented these.
    I never get a turn to bat, ever.

  107. I’d comment Rabz, but it seems I’m too negative.

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