Open Forum: December 2, 2017

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  1. Mater

    My wife and I are going to see Milo tonight in Perth. I wonder if we will be protested.

    It’s a sad indictment of modern Australia that Milo’s appearance venues must remain secret until 24 hours out, and only then announced directly to ticket holders.

  2. Roger

    Anyone who charges a fee to welcome you to their country is clearly a grifter.

    Who do governments et. al. perpetuate this nonsense?

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    There is no democratic legitimacy in any of this.

    Pen-and-a-phone eh M0nty?

  4. candy

    Anyone know who this LNP member is that Andrew Bolt says will bring down Mick Trumble?

    99% sure it’s George Christensen who has now changed his mind, hoping Barnaby’s big win flow back to him and Malcolm Turnbull.
    He has sure made of fool of Andrew Bolt and Peta Credlin, if it’s him.

  5. Leigh Lowe

    Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding.

    That is the key term.
    It is not material to an investigation into the campaign to deal with matters subsequent (during transition).
    Nor is it “lying” when Don Jnr says a contact was “incidental” and the FBI adjudges it to be “extensive”. These are matters of semantics, not absolute fact.
    In any case, peripheral players like Flynn will cave in on minor matters to stop the bleeding of legal fees if nothing else.
    Bigger fish will eventually challenge the FBI before SCOTUS and I predict a massive curtailing of the FBIs star-chamber powers.

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Who do governments et. al. perpetuate this nonsense?

    It’s fvcking annoying when those being welcomed to country are ex – servicemen, some of who served overseas, being welcomed to a country some of them enlisted with vague ideas of defending!

  7. testpattern

    ‘what use a flag, or a “treaty”, or a “welcome to country” or any of the other tokens would be’

    The Australian flag is of no use treating child abuse in the non indigenous community – noone expects it to be. Nor is it token. Nor will Treaty be token.

    We are way behind Canada but this recent paper is the direction in which we’re moving. What happened here in the past is still a living reality for many Firsts, whose children were taken away simply because of their skin colour, not abuse. Doctors argued over it – some families remained intact only because a doctor was of the opinion the child was still too young for the true skin colour to appear and any decision to remove should be deferred. Luckily for some, deferred until the racist policy had changed.

    ‘Committing to a nation-to-nation relationship involves rapidly increasing the fair settlement of First
    Nation land claims and resource revenue sharing agreements. RCAP recommended increasing Indigenous
    peoples’ land base as central to creating wealth, that can further social outcomes for communities.’

    https://iog.ca/docs/IOG-Nation-to-Nation-Discussion-Paper-2017-02.pdf

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That Doner Kebab story made me hungry. Hairy and I haven’t eaten yet. Kids have.
    I’m off to do a chicken stir fry. I am OK with those. Throw a bit of cooked rice in at the end.
    Call it a Buryani by adding a spoonful of peanut butter.

  9. Rev. Archibald

    How much of the debasement of the old media is due to the owners realising the lifespan is severly limited by the advent of new media?
    It looks like a kind of kamikazi last effort to exert influence.

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My wife and I are going to see Milo tonight in Perth. I wonder if we will be protested.

    I wonder same for Tuesday night in Sydney. Will it be same venue as Wednesday night?
    Will report back on Tuesday’s show. Mobie on the ready to video any outrageous clothing tearing.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I may wear camouflage gear. Then they won’t see me. 🙂

  12. Pen-and-a-phone eh M0nty?

    Yeah good one Bruce, that’s a story where Obama adds more democratic oversight to ensure legitimacy. Do you blokes even read your own links?

  13. Philippa Martyr

    That Doner Kebab story made me hungry. Hairy and I haven’t eaten yet. Kids have.
    I’m off to do a chicken stir fry. I am OK with those. Throw a bit of cooked rice in at the end.
    Call it a Buryani by adding a spoonful of peanut butter.

    Congratulations on the December Quadrant article, Mrs Lizzie! You and I in the same issue. Not bad.

  14. Philippa Martyr

    PS Adding the peanut butter makes it ‘satay’ …

  15. miltonf

    99% sure it’s George Christensen who has now changed his mind, hoping Barnaby’s big win flow back to him and Malcolm Turnbull.
    He has sure made of fool of Andrew Bolt and Peta Credlin, if it’s him.

    Oh no- and here I was thinking this ridiculous farce might finally come to an end.

  16. Tom

    Nein News after the cricket at around 7.30pm was an interesting propaganda exercise in which:

    1. BOM’s catastropharians defended getting their Armageddon forecast totally wrong and said they would do the same thing again because fuck the public interest because Gaia.
    2. Nein’s commo greenfilth joyriders had to admit Bananaby had been re-elected, but they would barracking for Eddie’s moll in a fortnight’s time.
    3. Trump Hitler and is about to be deposed because Flynn (no mention of the historic tax bill passing).
    4. There was a doped-up advertisement, evidently endorsed by Nein, for the legalisation of maryjane because being stoned feelz soooo good. Plus medical excuse. Plus munchies.

    And now a joke from the house comedian:

    This is now officially bigger than Watergate

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Don’t worry, Monts. I’ve written it all down.

  17. miltonf

    So did Joyce get back?

  18. cohenite

    testpattern

    #2573339, posted on December 2, 2017 at 8:14 pm

    A muddled comment. Native Title is dependent on this nation being settled not conquered. Under British law all native rights are forfeit if the land is conquered. Mabo established this and gave a basis for NT. 60% of Australia is subject to NT claims. As this damaging spread has occurred so to has the condition of aboriginal settlements worsened. This will continue as the differences between aboriginals and Australians and the distortion of what aboriginal culture was also continues be a hobby horse for the black arm band liars. Aboriginals are either Australian citizens or they’re not; and if they’re not they should leave.

  19. W Hogg

    ‘Flynn’s starring role on national security and foreign policy in the early days of the White House led to some early missteps with world leaders, including a ham-handed phone call with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull…“It also colored the president’s early interactions with world leaders, like the call Trump had with Australia. It was nutty stuff …” ‘

    Looks like Testes feels he has to match mOron’s stupidity step for step.

  20. Tom

    So did Joyce get back?

    Mr Joyce is projected to win a primary vote of about 62 per cent, a big jump from his 52.3 per cent primary at the last federal election.

  21. H B Bear

    Testes return has made me realise my scrolling finger is seriously out of shape.

  22. miltonf

    Thanks Tom. Not sure if that’s good or bad.

  23. 132andBush

    Just under 80mm of flanneries in the gauge up here in the Northern Riverina.

  24. Crossie

    Rev. Archibald
    #2573298, posted on December 2, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    Why should it be illegal to lie to the FBI?

    It isn’t if you are a Clinton or a Clinton associate.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    Mr Joyce is projected to win a primary vote of about 62 per cent, a big jump from his 52.3 per cent primary at the last federal election.

    That is a smashing.
    Given that the old Lezzo Windsor was on high rotation on ABC a few weeks ago predicting it would be tight, is he available for comment tonight?

  26. Boambee John

    cohenite at 2033

    Aboriginals are either Australian citizens or they’re not; and if they’re not they should leave.

    If aboriginal nations exist as separate entities, under s44, no aboriginal citozen of those nations may sit in the Commonwealth Parliament.

    Have to raise their own funding and establish their own?

  27. Steve trickler.

    Can you imagine the resources and time needed to transport this crystal instrument, if on tour?

    Pour out the water. Dry it, pack each individual crystal with a adequate padding over a numerous amount of cases..and you’ll be on your way to the next gig with substantial upfront costs. Case after case needed to ensure protection of the crystal. Compare the volume needed in the belly of an airplane to that of 20 trumpets.

    Unpack.

    Place on the table and add water. Then tune……. it’s a pain in the arse and not practical.

    But it’s bloody powerful .



  28. Snoopy

    Let me get this straight.

    A totally incompetent President was able to conclude the passage through Congress of the most hated Bill in history on the very day Special Prosecutor Mueller, giving no notice, chose to charge Michael Flynn?

    Trump is clearly being aided by Satan himself.

  29. Geriatric Mayfly

    My wife and I are going to see Milo tonight in Perth.

    One cannot even read something as straightforward as this anymore without pause. I saw a womyn stand up on her hind trotters in the Nation’s Senate this week and refer to her wife. Mind you it was The Love is Love debate so she could have been under some stress.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Aboriginals are either Australian citizens or they’re not; and if they’re not they should leave.

    All Aborigines have always been, firstly, British citizens – as were all Australians up until the late 1940’s, and after that, Australian citizens. It’s one of the myths spread that they weren’t citizens until the 1967 referendum.

  31. feelthebern

    George Christensen was going to defect, but Barnaby threw him a kebab so Georgey Boy stayed.

  32. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m not sure what to make of Testes 2.0.

    It’s the same sentiment, ie the same crap but appears to be diluted through several language filters.

    I won’t say he’s turned polite, but the screeching, crayon-eating activist fest stuff may have been toned down a bit.

    He still hasn’t addressed the Yothu Yindi foundation’s accurate assertion that ‘cosseted urban Aboriginals’ (having recently identified as indigenous) are sucking essential funds from regional and remote Aboriginals who actually need the money though.

  33. Snoopy

    BTW has Monty apologised to the thug who has been charged with assaulting Christine Forster?

    The poor bastard was a gonner the moment Monty claimed that no assault occurredq and her shredded jacket was caused by a loose thread being caught in a cop’s belt buckle.

  34. Leigh Lowe

    The new tax plan would see the corporate tax rate lowered from 35% to 20%, and include more modest tax cuts for individuals across income levels.

    And, on a base corporate rate 30%, of we are talking about bank levies and all manner of additional taxes, along with the ATO proudly advertising how they are sticking it to business.
    This is yuuuuuge.

  35. Rossini

    Halftime in the rugby league world cup………….just thought I’d catch up with the blog…go Australia go!

  36. notafan

    That ‘breaking story’ at news.com.au appears to be a rehash of a 2016 article here.

    Mostly it was ahistorical rubbish, as you would expect, considering the source.

    apocalypse of James

  37. Leigh Lowe

    George Christensen was going to defect, but Barnaby threw him a kebab so Georgey Boy stayed.

    When they went to instal the staples in George’s guts they found five pies, a dozen dimmies and a Chiko roll.
    No teethmarks in any of them.

  38. Tom

    Tax bill: Trump victory as Senate backs tax overhaul

    Zippy, that’s the bright red version of that story from Their BBC. Here’s the pinko version from the Never Trumpers at Their WSJ:

    WASHINGTON—The Senate passed sweeping revisions to the U.S. tax code past midnight Saturday after Republicans navigated a thicket of internal divisions over deficits and other issues to place their imprint on the economy.

    The bill, which included about $1.4 trillion in tax cuts, would lower the corporate rate to 20% from 35%, reshape international business tax rules and temporarily lower individual taxes. It also touched other Republican goals, including opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling and repealing the mandate that individuals purchase health insurance, which would punch a sizable hole in the 2010 Affordable Care Act. But some objectives, such as repealing the alternative minimum tax, fell by the wayside in last-minute wrangling.

    “In the end it all came together and we’re pretty excited about what we’ve been able to accomplish for the American people,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said in an interview Friday. “We’ve got a corporate rate at 20% that we think makes us competitive in the world again and provided substantial middle-income tax relief.”

    The bill passed 51-49, with all but one Republican voting for it and all Democrats voting against. The sole Republican, Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee, stated his opposition before the vote, citing worries it would expand budget deficits.

    The bill’s ultimate passage would mark a legislative victory for President Donald Trump and his fellow Republicans. Mr. Trump has made the tax overhaul a centerpiece of his economic policy goals, focusing on a rewrite of business taxes, which he has argued make the U.S. uncompetitive internationally. The bill could also give lawmakers something to campaign on in the 2018 midterm elections.

    Democrats blasted the bill, calling it an unacceptable giveaway to corporations and the wealthy. They also criticized last-minute Republican adjustments and waved handwritten amendments around the Senate floor to show how hastily the changes were being made.

    “A flurry of last-minute changes will stuff even more money into the pockets of the wealthy and the biggest corporations while raising taxes on millions in the middle class,” Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the chamber’s Democratic leader, said.

    The House and Senate still need to reconcile competing versions of the tax plan, something GOP leaders hope to do by Christmas. The House and Senate bills overlap in many ways, and lawmakers expressed optimism about getting a final deal done.

    “The bills are not all that different,” Mr. McConnell said. “We tried to move ours somewhat in the House direction.”

    Senate Republicans called their bill an economic booster shot, their best chance to create faster sustained growth and higher wages. But it comes with risks. Congress’s own nonpartisan analysis found that the economic benefits would be modest and fade over time.

    The Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that the tax cuts wouldn’t pay for themselves, as Republicans promised. Instead the analysis found they would increase deficits by $1 trillion over a decade, even after accounting for economic growth.

    Corker, the Tennessee RINO and coward who has chickened out of the 2018 mid-terms to retire while attacking Trump like a DNC lapdog, evidently slept through the Reagan tax cuts that supercharged the US economy.

  39. feelthebern

    George should go on Man vs Food.
    The current chap rarely wins a food challenge.
    Gorgeous George would win most if not all of them.

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    Fair point, Snoopy.

    I remember MOnty being challenged on it after one of the scum was arrested and charged over it. He conveniently disappeared for a few days, only to resurface chanting about Trump and the FBI.

    And yep, it was either the cops’ fault or Christine did it herself, according to this peanut. He still hasn’t apologised for laughing at Rand Paul when he was crash tackled by his neighbour, breaking five ribs.

    Selective memory much? What say you, MOnty?

  41. feelthebern

    All jokes aside.
    George clearly is a food addict.
    Most probably suffers from depression too.
    Feel sorry for him.

  42. Rev. Archibald

    Does the Trump tax thing include company rates?

  43. feelthebern

    Monty doesn’t have much intellectual honesty.

  44. Rev. Archibald

    The bill, which included about $1.4 trillion in tax cuts, would lower the corporate rate to 20% from 35%,

    .
    Uh ok

  45. feelthebern

    Who would win a pie eating contest?
    A) George Christensen.
    B) Monty.

    Christopher Pyne has declined to participate as he’s participating in a foot long hot dog eating contest at the same time.

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He still hasn’t addressed the Yothu Yindi foundation’s accurate assertion that ‘cosseted urban Aboriginals’ (having recently identified as indigenous) are sucking essential funds from regional and remote Aboriginals who actually need the money though.

    Pest Tattern will make it all out to be evil debbil debbil whitefella’s fault, and treaties with each “First Nation”, compensation and reparations will solve it all.

  47. Rae

    Tax bill: Trump victory as Senate backs tax overhaul

    Greed is good.

  48. BTW, this clip of him honoring the Navaho code guys is amazing. I had no idea that the US military used the Navaho language as a code for critical military operations in WWII. No chance whatsoever that the Japs could decode it. Also, it was all committed to memory by the Navahos, never written down or shared with anyone.

    The codetalkers had to undergo quite some schooling, as they didn’t actually use the Navajo language as such, but a coded trick-word type of pidgin, that made no sense to anyone who could speak Navajo.

    Otherwise all the Japs had to do was take any Navajo prisoner, apply robust persuasion techniques, & get him to translate.
    Hence the gibberish code they spoke in. Thus under no circumstances could the Japanese be allowed to get hold of one of the codetalkers. Each codetalker on the front line was accompanied by an N.C.O. with a tommy-gun, tasked with ensuring the Navajo did not fall into enemy hands. (I think this was sold to the codetalkers as “bodyguard” or something, but nobody would have been fooled.)

  49. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Does the Trump tax thing include company rates?

    down to 20%

  50. Rev. Archibald

    A good start.
    Build the wall you prick.

  51. rickw

    Tax bill: Trump victory as Senate backs tax overhaul

    Greed is good.

    It’s the American People’s money, Trump just convinced Government to steal a little less of it.

  52. rickw

    Does the Trump tax thing include company rates?

    down to 20%

    Australia is so screwed right now!

  53. Delta A

    Tax bill: Trump victory as Senate backs tax overhaul

    Greed is good.

    Obviously not a tax payer.

  54. Does the Trump tax thing include company rates?

    down to 20%

    Why would anyone stay in Australia?

  55. Roger

    It’s fvcking annoying when those being welcomed to country are ex – servicemen, some of who served overseas, being welcomed to a country some of them enlisted with vague ideas of defending

    Among them Aboriginal ex-servicemen & veterans who signed up to defend the Commonwealth of Australia!

  56. Roger

    Does the Trump tax thing include company rates? down to 20% Australia is so screwed right now!

    A point noted at the Cat for well on a year now.

    Hello, ScoMo and Maladroit Blight Trumble, Esq..

  57. old bloke

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2573197, posted on December 2, 2017 at 4:49 pm

    Doesn’t sound like Bishop but possible I suppose.

    I reckon it’s Andrew Broad

    My money is on George Christensen.

  58. Tom

    Obviously not a tax payer.

    Delta, Googleory has never earned a dollar that hasn’t first been confiscated from the public by his beloved Big Government.

    Grigory M
    #1744268, posted on July 21, 2015 at 7:41 pm
    Well, it’s not actually (our money). It was given to them (the ABC) by the government that we elected to do things on our behalf – so, it’s actually their money.

  59. Snoopy

    The Age live blogs the deluge.

    7:26pm
    Looks like 10mm of rain has fallen on the CBD in the last two hours.

    The BoM is predicting anywhere between 20mm and 50mm will bucket down on Melbourne over Saturday night. 

    ‘Bucket down’ clearly doesn’t mean what it used to.

  60. Rae

    Weatherzone radar is colourful atm. A fair bit of precipitation over Melbourne and its eastern suburbs.

  61. Snoopy

    It’s absolutely clear. Flynn must hang.

    Former US National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has admitted that he asked Russia to delay a UN vote seen as damaging to Israel, but diplomats say it was not the only country he and presidential adviser Jared Kushner lobbied.

  62. John Constantine

    Look at Andrew broads twitter feed.

    All about hating and mocking President Trump, and luvving al gore.

    Look at how he left the farmers organisations he used on his way up, all occupied by social justice warriors.

    This isn’t the career path of a man that stands for anything except being a mirror of the last powerful wymynsys that projected upon him.

  63. marcus classis

    Interesting point of view.

    Conclusions

    Japan’s characteristics can make them an economic leader in the 21st century.

    A highly educated and hard-working people with a high-savings rate — the foundation for economic success).
    A homogeneous population with strong social cohesion — minimizing the domestic turbulence common in multi-ethnic societies when under stress.
    A shrinking labor force — able to more easily absorb the job destruction from automation.
    These advantages are mutually reinforcing. ………

  64. Snoopy

    No wonder Monty is sporting a twig. He loaths Israel.

  65. Snoopy

    The Melbourne disaster just gets worse.

    10:05pm
    Inner-city film buffs can breathe a sigh of relief. Reporter Goya Dmytryshchak has confirmed the Cinema Nova evacuation was a false alarm.

    Who’s laughing now you climate change deniers?

  66. Leo G

    … annoying when those being welcomed to country are ex – servicemen, some of who served overseas, being welcomed to a country some of them enlisted with vague ideas of defending

    At least those aboriginal hosts welcome the servicemen- even if only as guests. Australia does have a tradition of not welcoming many returning servicemen.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Two Kittehs in one Quadrant, Philippa, as you say, but your article is the stand-out of the two, very sharply pointing out some home truths to some in your Church; well done. I loved the Diocese of Bedlam, and Alsatian College. Tough for the Church and its conscientious members though to be living through such times of persecution.

    I was encouraged to consider Quadrant from being here on Catallaxy. There are other women here who could also get a run, I am sure, on topics that interest them. As a novice in anything but dull academia, I found it a thrill to get published as just a ‘writer’.

  68. Rev. Archibald

    I miss Srr. Anyone know why she was banned?
    [runs away and hides]

  69. Arky's Mum

    Rev. Archibald
    #2573450, posted on December 2, 2017 at 10:45 pm
    I miss Srr. Anyone know why she was banned?
    [runs away and hides]

    ..
    You know why, you filthy boy.
    Come back here and take your thrashing.
    Anyone else of you mentions Srr again I’ll give you what for you swine.

  70. Indolent

    I miss Srr. Anyone know why she was banned?

    We would certainly have links to all the juicy sites about the tax cuts and Flynn Brouhaha if she were still here. I miss her too.

  71. I miss Srr. Anyone know why she was banned?

    Because she p1ssed off the Doomlord.
    His blog. His rules. Live with it.

  72. Leo G

    A shrinking labor force — able to more easily absorb the job destruction from automation.

    Shrinking by absorbing the job desorption?

  73. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Mueller Investigation: Politics, Not Law Enforcement or Counterintelligence
    The end game is the removal of Trump, either by impeachment or by publicly discrediting him and making his reelection politically impossible.

  74. Leo G

    Inner-city film buffs can breathe a sigh of relief. Reporter Goya Dmytryshchak has confirmed the Cinema Nova evacuation was a false alarm.

    No climate change refugees then? The alarmists are real enough though.

  75. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A shrinking labor force — able to more easily absorb the job destruction from automation.

    A shrinking labour force is a shrinking consumption base, morons.

  76. Mueller Investigation: Politics, Not Law Enforcement or Counterintelligence

    I like the URL slug on that entry: robert-mueller-trump-russia-investigation-michael-flynn-obama-administration-foreign-policy-israel. That is a lot of keywords.

  77. Oh come on

    Arky you are such a sook. Don’t ever come ’round here acting the hard man again.

  78. Saturday night facts
    Poms tend to be hopeless in all forms of sporting endeavour.
    Flannery’s predictions are just that and inherently unreliable because he is a self serving clown.
    The left continues to eat itself and blame Messrs Abbott, Trump, (insert ad lib)
    Most young people cannot find their arse with 2 hands and a mirror so the herd is doomed.
    Christensen was a carneus mole attached to beazely who was kept in a beaker until modern science gave him life.
    You can’t advertise for ‘big arsed black chicks who can shout their tits off’ to join in the music project I’ve got happening back home, despite it being what I want. And a sax player.

  79. Rae

    Rev,

    If you miss srr so much just google his twitter ID. Gab posted it on the previous Forum.

  80. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2573430, posted on December 2, 2017 at 10:10 pm
    Weatherzone radar is colourful atm. A fair bit of precipitation over Melbourne and its eastern suburbs

    More proof Rae is GrigoryM reincarnated. Nobody else could write something so boring and utterly mundane.

  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I saw a womyn stand up on her hind trotters in the Nation’s Senate this week and refer to her wife.

    Ring fingers don’t really tell much of a tale these days, do they?

    My own Hairy Ape doesn’t wear a wedding ring, his main concern during a busy time being to get one on my finger. I asked him the other day if he would like me to get him one now. Alas, no. He fears these days it might be taken as a sign he has a husband, which he would not regard as ‘an honourable estate’ like the one he signed up to with me. I tell him there is little likelihood of such a mistake, but he now has his excuse to remain untagged. Just keep my photo on your desk then, I say mildly.

    He has recently enhanced my ring finger with extra diamonds, for eternity. I’m not complaining. 🙂

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for Cats with an interest in military history.

    The reading in the cold, old, right wing cave that serves as my study, is John Prados’s book “Combined Fleet Decoded.” He deals with the issue of a Japanese invasion of Australia in 1942. My understanding was that the reason that the Japanese Army vetoed any invasion of Australia in 1942 was that they wouldn’t redeploy troops from Manchuria or China. Prados’s claim is that the Army would either have to stop the “China Incident” completely, or abandon Manchuria, and neither course of action was acceptable to the I.J.A. That’s the first I’ve heard of that claim, and the book is certainly interesting reading.

  83. Kim Howard

    Yes a nice blog
    go ahead and pick the crap out of Christensen .
    At least he had the insight to go to IPCC7 in the USA along with J Marohassey .
    All you Cats know , its the one were sub mariners live in 8000 ppm ( parts per million ) of Co2 and the Greens ( Communists ) and our two socialist party`s insist that carbon dioxide is killing our planet with 400ppm , the Royal Christmas lectures had actual demonstrations on how more Co2 in the atmosphere makes it harder to light a fire ( such as bush fires ) .
    The fact that co2 is plant food is irrelevant on this carbon trading scam and basically our Government has sold out to the UN and the EU does not seem to register with the Cats .
    This blog is slowly becoming irrelevant .
    Boni fides : Been reading this blog and many more since the Rudd Government gave Australia away.

  84. Knuckle Dragger

    MOnty,

    There are some questions for you.

    They are a short distance upthread. Answer them if you will – for mine, you will lose any remaining credibility if you don’t.

    What say you, MOnty?

  85. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ring fingers don’t really tell much of a tale these days, do they?

    Back in the day, I proposed marriage to a young lady, with an engagement ring that was a family heirloom – made in Hatton Garden, with South African diamonds. My suit was rejected – the rooster she accepted because he could afford a new ring, beat her and cleared out with the new girlfriend, leaving her a single mum….

  86. ZK2A you might enjoy Andrew Ross’s Armed and Ready: The Industrial Development and Defence of Australia 1900-1945 published in 1994. Andrew kindly gave me a copy so I dutifully read it. Scholarly effort.

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    Kim H,

    I thiiiink I detected a few nice sentiments in there at 11.35. For clarity, if you could translate that into English it would be appreciated.

    It’s bona fides, not boni fides btw – which relates to who you are, not what you’ve read.

    Like I said though, I think I largely agree with what you’ve thrown at your keyboard.

  88. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    More proof Rae is GrigoryM reincarnated. Nobody else could write something so boring and utterly mundane.

    There is a real art to it, isn’t there? No other commenter could induce somnolence so easily with just two short sentences. Perhaps he has a future curing insomniacs. A tape of Grigory’s ‘observations’ would work well, although if he read them personally one’s rising sense of panic might overcome the soporific effect.

  89. entropy

    Look on the bright side Zulu, you kept the ring.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ZK2A you might enjoy Andrew Ross’s Armed and Ready: The Industrial Development and Defence of Australia 1900-1945 published in 1994. Andrew kindly gave me a copy so I dutifully read it. Scholarly effort.

    Thanks for the heads up. I’ll bag a copy.

    I don’t have a reference, but the claim has been made that Australia was producing heavy bombers, under licence, before the much vaunted FX Holden.

  91. Oh come on

    Diamonds are a terrible investment. Within a few decades, they’ll be worthless.

    For much of the 19th century, being able to put ice in a lady’s drink in a hot climate would have been the equivalent of being able to purchase a fat diamond for a lady today.

    Still, ya gotta do it. Sigh.

  92. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Look on the bright side Zulu, you kept the ring.

    One of the next generation committed matrimony, with the aid of said ring. It is considered impossibly cool to have such a family heirloom on your finger..

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Zulu,

    I never even got to propose marriage to my beloved. I turned up at home one afternoon with a ring (the most expensive a 21 year old grunt could afford) and said I had something to ask her. She said could she go first – ever the gentleman, I agreed – and she said she’d been sleeping with one of my mates for the past three months, who happened to be in the same rifle company.

    Short ending:

    No marriage
    Jeweller bought the ring back, at half price
    ‘Mate’, on hearing of the supernova that was my rage, went AWOL back to WA and never returned
    Potential bride married a pub bouncer, had two kids in three years then moved into a caravan park on her own
    Was shown a pic of her last year by an old mate – about 150kg living in Innisfail.

    This is a lesson to us all (sorry lady Cats) that I have gone out of my way NOT to learn over the subsequent 25 years, judging by my history in this field of endeavour to date.

    Still reckon Zulu’s story’s better though. It has an heirloom in it. My only heirloom’s a clock my grandfather bought in Cape Town on his way back from the Western Front in 1918. It’s three feet high so would be very impractical to attach to a lady’s finger.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    basically our Government has sold out to the UN and the EU does not seem to register with the Cats .
    This blog is slowly becoming irrelevant .

    Lots of Cats in the almost ten years I’ve been coming here have commented on the selling out of Australia to the UN and its treaties and have also analysed the problems of EU dominance over previously sovereign nations; and many of the main threads have dealt with associated issues. These things are pretty much axiomatic to many commenters on the Cat now. You must have missed a lot.

    Calm down and be a bit nicer to us. Outline too why we are irrelevant and to what.
    Catallaxy is a forum, not an ideological mouthpiece for one set of issues only.

    I’m off to bed now, g’night all.

  95. Don’t know enough to critically appraise his conclusions, and can say that his research was exhaustive.

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is considered impossibly cool to have such a family heirloom on your finger..

    Hairy and I are starting our own. Brand new now; heritage in years to come. Duz us.

  97. Oh come on

    An antique ring is far more desirable than most of what’s available new. If you have any class, anyway. Also, there’s a ridiculous markup when purchasing a new engagement ring. I’ve known a few blokes who got down on one knee and were rejected. When they went to try and get some money back on the ring, they were offered 25-35% of the purchase price.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Diamonds are a terrible investment. Within a few decades, they’ll be worthless.

    Nothing has a value unless there is a market for it. Markets can change; we all know that.
    Tulip bulbs anyone? But tulips are still grown, make money, and have some value, plus Tiny Tim tiptoes through them merrily. Nice imagery.

    Buy decent quality diamonds. Buy loose, and style them to suit. There are a lot of crap diamonds around.
    We’ve had this discussion before on the Cat, the rise of industrial diamonds, artificial diamonds, and the control of the industry, plus the ‘social meaning’ of real diamonds – don’t give her the artificial stuff or she’ll think you don’t care enough. 🙂

    Argyle pink diamonds are running out; there’s opportunity there.

  99. That Trump will win in 2020 isn’t a fact, it’s a prediction, Dover. One with which I concur.

    Is that a fact.

  100. DrBeauGan

    dover_beach
    #2573498, posted on December 3, 2017 at 12:18 am
    That Trump will win in 2020 isn’t a fact, it’s a prediction, Dover. One with which I concur.

    Is that a fact.

    Yes.

  101. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If you have any class, anyway.

    I do have a beautiful pair of diamond, ruby and sapphire earrings, yellow gold set, and accompanying ring. They are antique, Italian made, and Hairy’s diamond merchant was in raptures over them. They were someone’s small fortune once, smuggled out of Italy during the Second World War. A sad story attaches to them, and I came by them in part due to it. I don’t think I want to own any other antique j3wels as these make me sad. Hairy’s new purchases where he wants to make me happy do for that reason make me happy.

    To me, that is class.

  102. That ‘breaking story’ at news.com.au appears to be a rehash of a 2016 article here.

    Mostly it was ahistorical rubbish, as you would expect, considering the source.

    As soon as I was a paragraph in I knew the author of that article was a know-nothing. He claimed we had no idea why this or that book was included or excluded from the Bible. Seriously?!

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Diamonds are not part of Hairy’s investment portfolio btw.
    He sees them like cars and travel, as part of spending money not making it.

  104. Oh come on

    Time and place, Lizzie. I’m talking about a time when you won’t be able to tell natural diamonds from artificial. In the meantime, everything has its tragedy, as does everyone. This is a matter of degree, of course.

    I’m not saying all new jewellery has no class. The engagement ring market, however, is pretty tacky.

  105. Oh come on

    Time and place, Lizzie. I’m talking about a time when you won’t be able to tell natural diamonds from artificial. In the meantime, everything has its tragedy, as does everyone. This is a matter of degree, of course.

    I’m not saying all new j3wellery has no class. The engagement ring market, however, is pretty tacky.

  106. Boris

    Good on trump getting tax cuts.

  107. Boris

    This is more than just taxes. It shows that trump and GOP majority senate can finally work together.

    It also shows that GOP can vote as one and not a bunch of never trumpets when the bill is reasonable.

    (And I even like how ipad changes my typing).

  108. Selective memory much? What say you, MOnty?

    Knuckle Dragger, you are well named.

  109. Boris

    The fact that co2 is plant food is irrelevant on this carbon trading scam and basically our Government has sold out to the UN and the EU does not seem to register with the Cats .

    If this is not the most common discussion topic on cat for the last 15 years, I do not know what is.

  110. Fisky

    How many GOP Senators cucked out on tax cuts? Was it just one? Who was the tax cuck, we must know!

  111. An incisive riposte to Mr Knuckledragger if ever there was. Talk about making and defending one’s case with hard data and an air of authority…..

  112. Boris

    How many GOP Senators cucked out on tax cuts? Was it just one? Who was the tax cuck, we must know!

    Only one. John cocker, who said he will never vote for anything that can increase the deficit.

    Actually GOP canno afford to lose more than 1 or 2.

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    Simple questions, MOnty. Very simple questions that relate to assertions that you made, not me.

    You can’t expect to be taken seriously on foreign policy if you can’t justify your commentary in areas closer to home.

    Don’t be a lightweight. Justify yourself rather than parroting the narrative you hide behind.

  114. Fisky

    Actually GOP canno afford to lose more than 1 or 2.

    Sounds like a good reason to vote Roy Moore!

    Vote Moore!

  115. Boris

    Is flynn the first high ranking government official who has a distinction of being fired by two successive presdients from opposit sides of politics?

  116. Fisky

    Better import more Muslims before it’s too late, libertarians! Quickly!

    As many as 800 million workers worldwide may lose their jobs to robots and automation by 2030, equivalent to more than a fifth of today’s global labor force.

    That’s according to a new report covering 46 nations and more than 800 occupations by the research arm of McKinsey & Co.

    The consulting company said Wednesday that both developed and emerging countries will be impacted. Machine operators, fast-food workers and back-office employees are among those who will be most affected if automation spreads quickly through the workplace.

  117. C.L.

    Lesbian protests that reality is discriminatory:

    The Mississippi Supreme Court heard arguments this week on whether a boy born to a woman in a lesbian union should be considered the biological son of his mother’s lesbian spouse. A county judge ruled against the former lesbian spouse on the grounds that two women cannot conceive a child and thus be biological parents. In legal arguments, the woman claims that this is unconstitutional discrimination against same-sex marriages.

  118. Fisky

    Wow, the Obamacare mandate has been smoked in the Senate bill. Nothing of Obama’s legacy exists anymore. He has been erased from history, and is now a listless stoner playing video games all day.

  119. C.L.

    He has been erased from history, and is now a listless stoner playing video games all day.

    Sad.

  120. Boris

    He has been erased from history,

    If this was so easy…

  121. Mindfree

    Saturday night frolics

  122. The Mississippi Supreme Court heard arguments this week on whether a boy born to a woman in a lesbian union should be considered the biological son of his mother’s lesbian spouse. A county judge ruled against the former lesbian spouse on the grounds that two women cannot conceive a child and thus be biological parents. In legal arguments, the woman claims that this is unconstitutional discrimination against same-sex marriages.

    You can tell how far gone we are that this is even being heard by the Court. Modernity, hey.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    Classical,

    Excellent. Love the Rand Paul one.

    What say you, MOnty?

  124. johanna

    Pamela Anderson joins Angela Lansbury and a few others in telling aspiring actrines to use some common sense if they don’t want to be harassed and assaulted:

    The 50-year-old former Baywatch star appeared on Megyn Kelly Today Thursday, where she told the NBC host that Weinstein’s alleged predations were “common knowledge” in the industry. Weinstein has been accused by more than 90 women of sexual harassment or assault, including at least ten women who claim the disgraced movie mogul raped them.

    “It was common knowledge that certain producers or certain people in Hollywood are people to avoid, privately,” Anderson told Kelly. “You know what you’re getting into if you’re going into a hotel room alone.”

    “Don’t go into a hotel room alone,” she continued. “If someone answers the door in a bathrobe, leave. These are things that are common sense, but I know Hollywood is very seductive and the people want to be famous. Sometimes you think you are going to be safe with an adult in a room. I don’t know where this security comes from, but somehow I dodged it all.”

    [ … ]

    Anderson’s comments were met with strong backlash on social media, with some users claiming the actress was blaming the victims for their own mistreatment.

    But the actress and former model issued a statement Friday on her Instagram account in which she refused to apologize, explaining that she was trying to help women become more “proactive” about dealing with sexual harassment and assault.

    “My position is not ‘problematic’ because I doesn’t fall in line with the common herd or trend. I’m trying to tell women as a survivor of childhood abuse myself – It is important to be proactive as an adult who knows better – in defending themselves,” she wrote.

    “Don’t get in cars with strangers #rideresponsibly- Don’t go to Hotel rooms alone for an audition. Women are powerful and smart and we can use all our charms in more positive ways,” she added. “I think it’s very smart to be proactive. And I stand by what I say.”

    Go, Pammy! Looks like she’s not just a pretty pair of boobs, as it were. 🙂 She seems to have a functioning brain, and backbone, as well.

  125. Mark A

    johanna
    #2573566, posted on December 3, 2017 at 4:06 am

    Pamela Anderson joins Angela Lansbury and a few others in telling aspiring actrines to use some common sense if they don’t want to be harassed and assaulted:

    That remonded me of the house Sam Newman built on Canterbury Rd St Kilda. Drove past it many times.
    Pamela

  126. Mark A

    reminded me even, Sheesh, why doesn’t spellchecker work when you need it?

  127. Milo in Perth – 2 December

    I went online and bought two tickets for the Milo event after I read that McGowan and the Labor government had banned him from all WA state govt venues. I then told my wife, who took the news well, especially since two VIP tickets cost $590 and she had never heard of Milo. Two days ago I still didn’t know where the secret venue was and I thought Penthouse Australia might have forgotten us. My wife was a little surprised that we were going to a Penthouse thing. But then yesterday we got the secret venue details.

    We turned up at the convention centre expecting protests and were surprised by the sedate and respectable looking crowd. It reminded me of Honours presentation at UWA in the 1980s, all very polite and full of high achievers. Andrew Bolt later explained that there were 50 or so protestors who had gone to a different venue at Murray street, and had got caught up in the Christmas pageant, and they didn’t make it.

    We got “meet and greet and photos”, about thirty seconds to shake hands with Milo and get a photo on some website, which I have to follow up. Milo was a bit like a manikin with a fixed smile as 100 or so VIPs queued to put their arms around him for a photo. My wife confirmed he is a gorgeous looking chap, bigger than I thought, but his bottom is slightly un-athletic, well fattish actually. He dressed in gay frilly stuff and had ridiculous red shiny shoes.

    Strangers start talking to each other in these circumstances. We met a couple of middle age Spanish Australians desperately trying to get a ticket online because there were no ticket sales. Talking to the young man in front of us, an outback sort of guy, he mentioned he had got his ticket after Mark McGowan announced the ban on Milo. He had printed his own Milo T-shirt, and had made an artpiece on corrugated iron for Milo. Both young men said they did not read any blogs, only did Facebook.

    There were about 100 VIP seats, closest to the stage, the venue was full, I would say about 1750 plus.

    It was extremely hot today, and the crowd was mostly casually dressed, but a few suited up and the women were elegant, especially my wife. It was probably 55% male. Conservative beach casual and I didn’t see anybody wearing dreadlocks, tatts or metal piercing. The only obviously gay person there was Milo himself, but there were a lot of shy, well groomed young men, quiet and confident, some in groups, some alone. A scattering of oldies, one lady was 87 in the VIPs, more under 20s than oldies, except the VIPs were thirty and older. The majority in the cheaper seats were in their 20s, the median age about late twenties overall. You would call it a youngish, maleish crowd, but the security were relaxed.

    The show was MC’d by Andrew Bolt who was earnest and relaxed. Bolt said “Malcolm Turnbull” and the crowd groaned and hissed. He said “Tony Abbott” and he got a huge cheer. I guess the crowd was conservative. The guy from Penthouse, Mr Costa? gave a talk on free speech and caused much laughter when he read some of their hate male emails from lefties.

    Milo was really good. He is basically a one man act and has you laughing and clapping at his repartee. He thanked Mark McGowan for banning him from Govt venues, said it caused a big increase in ticket sales and financed his $20K spa bath. Milo tells the ironic story in his basic admission; we pay him to say things we know are true but are afraid to say because of persecution. He mostly gets away with it because he is outrageously gay.

    He put shit on various lefties, islamists and feminists, using huge powerpoint like overheads. There is something viscerally satisfying listening to him flaying ugly dyke feminists and challenging them to take him on. A fighter. Many funny gay comments, but mostly just common sense affirmations of his debt to our western cultural heritage which gave him his freedom. Lots of laughter but some TV names I don’t even know. He is writing his next book about the Hollywood exposures and the hypocrisy of the whole establishment. He did have a go at the ABC and Waleed Ali, to everybody’s delight. Quite a few shouts from individuals in the crowd, but all in jest and support. If there were any closet protestors in the crowd, they kept very quiet. It was 99% funny, but one joke failed about people dying in boats on the sea…shark food, nobody laughed, in the whole crowd. A really good crowd, you could take them home.

    Bolt and Milo did a wrap up together, mentioned their individual experiences with being persecuted by the system for saying the wrong thing, and their commitment to free speech. How they managed to avoid extinction. Milo said he was born to be a conservative defender and loved doing it and he had sold 13000 tickets over a week, and would do a show for federal parliament with 100 takers. He is going to keep fighting for his cause because he has found a way to make money out of it. We sure cheered him.

    It was pretty good, severely exercised the laughter muscles. and hand clapping with the wedding ring pain. My wife enjoyed it and so did I. It’s good to know that we are not alone. It was a pleasure being with normal polite and pleasant people, and just being in a crowd laughing without worrying about other people’s feelings. But next time I will get the cheap seats.

    I recommend going to see Milo.

  128. johanna

    Thanks, Jannie.

    Good to hear that Milo gave the punters a great show, as usual.

  129. rickw

    A shrinking labor force — able to more easily absorb the job destruction from automation.

    A shrinking labour force is a shrinking consumption base, morons.

    Doesn’t matter so much if you’re primarily an exporter sitting on the door step of more than a billion people.

  130. feelthebern

    Is Insiders on today ?
    Or are they on a WEB?

    If it’s on, I reckon 2 seconds on the New England by-election.
    30 mins on misreporting Flynn.

  131. OneWorldGovernment

    johanna
    #2573575, posted on December 3, 2017 at 4:44 am

    Thanks, Jannie.

    +100

  132. johanna

    Cripes, judging from the lack of traffic, there must be some serious hangovers around this morning.

    When I lived next to Kings Cross, the Sunday morning hangover cure was a stiff Bloody Mary and Eggs Benedict at the Bourbon and Beefsteak, to the music of Frank Sinatra. Guaranteed results.

    I suppose that you wimps are doing Goat Yoga or somesuch. 🙂

  133. alexnoaholdmate

    Guys, let’s be serious.

    We’re in real danger now. The enemy has shown his face clearly at last. We can no longer pretend that it doesn’t affect us personally, that we can just go on with our merry little lives.

    We all know it to be true, we all know it to be inevitable – “Grandma got run over by a reindeer” is about to be posted on the main page, and there’s not a damn thing we can do about it.

  134. johanna

    More proof that you don’t have to be a whore to be a fabulously successful entertainer:

    Whoops, blockquote fail coming up.

    Malcolm and his wife, O’Linda, have called the handsome mansion Onkaparinga home for many years. It sits elegantly behind an impressive stone wall and overlooks its tennis court and swimming pool. The property is one of the largest in Balmain, taking up most of the block it sits on. Real estate agents estimate its worth at up to $30 million.

    Angus, who has no children and his own $150 million fortune, has an impressive home at Kangaroo Point, although it pales next to his much larger pile in the Dutch town of Aalten, a mock chateau he built a decade ago in his wife Ellen’s hometown.

    Good on Angus for getting a Dutch wife. She’ll keep him hale and healthy for as long as possible. Dutch wives have their faults, but keeping the breadwinner in tip-top condition is in their DNA.

    It is indeed noteworthy that in a very long and successful career, the members of AC/DC rarely featured in the gossip columns. In retrospect, that is remarkable.

    They obviously made a conscious decision about that, and no doubt employed lawyers and other heavies to make sure that their privacy was not invaded.

    Respect.

  135. Mark A

    Re. the last two posts. que?
    It’s only 9:30 PM here and I have not began to imbibe.

  136. Mark A

    make that the second last two posts

  137. OneWorldGovernment

    johanna
    #2573617, posted on December 3, 2017 at 6:54 am

    the Bourbon and Beefsteak

    Lol
    Now your showing your age.

  138. Tom

    Is Insiders on today?

    Yes, Bern: it’s Bananaby versus Bawwie, which means the New England byelection will get at least 10 minutes’ coverage, with Bawwie desperately trying not to mention that it was an absolute smashing of the Liars and a political triump for a sitting government.

    But, as you say, most of the hour will regurgitate the talking points Monty was muddling through yesterday about the imminent impeachment of POTUS45, while not mentioning the historic tax reform that was passed in the early hours of Saturday in Washington.

    Cheered on by the usual detritus of what is still laughingly called the Canberra Press Gallery.

    But my sock drawer isn’t going to rearrange itself, so I’ll be busy [with one eye on Tiger’s misfortunes in the Bahamas wind].

    Besides, Outsiders on Their Sky at 10 always has a 30-second satirical summary of the Swampfilth Re-Education Hour, which is more than enough [although I may sneek a peek at Bananaby making fun of Bawwie].

  139. johanna

    Now your showing your age.

    My age is no secret around here, OWG.

    I’m an oldie but a baddie.

  140. entropy

    Barnaby won because:
    He is a personable chap
    The massive conga line of non resident outsiders contesting the election only for the often stated aim of shafting their Barnaby
    The national party spent the week subtly reminding everyone they are not the same thing as the Turnbull Coalition Team.

  141. johanna

    So, has Victoriastan washed into the Tasman, as predicted by the BoM, yet?

    I see from latest reports that the disaster didn’t happen.

    TheirABC is chockers with reports about how weddings and other events were cancelled because – well, it rained. Tragedy!

    What annoys me is that when something genuinely bad is about to happen, nobody will believe these self-serving clowns.

  142. Boambee John

    Via Instapundit

    The former top FBI official assigned to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election was taken off that job this past summer after his bosses discovered he and another member of Mueller’s team had exchanged politically charged texts disparaging President Trump and supporting Hillary Clinton, according to multiple people familiar with the matter.

    Peter Strzok, as deputy head of counterintelligence at the FBI, was a key player in the investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server to do government work as secretary of state, as well as the probe into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 election.

    Good to see a team of politically impartial investigators on the case!

  143. OneWorldGovernment

    johanna
    #2573639, posted on December 3, 2017 at 7:59 am

    Now your showing your age.

    My age is no secret around here, OWG.

    I’m an oldie but a baddie.

    Wasn’t meant as a putdown.

    Had one of the best steaks ever when I went there about 1986 on a trip to Sydney.

    I had to google to see if it still exists!

  144. Nick

    Thanks for the report Jannie.

  145. Boambee John

    johanna at 0810

    What annoys me is that when something genuinely bad is about to happen, nobody will believe these self-serving clowns.

    Modern education deprecates anything by Old Dead White Men, so Aesop’s fables, especially The Boy Who Cried “Wolf”, are not much taught these days.

  146. feelthebern

    Sam Kerr should be in anyones top 5.
    Achievement, not appointment or “advocacy”.
    Showing kids the benefit of a healthy lifestyle.
    Australian sports person of the year.

  147. johanna

    OWG, the Bourbon and Beefsteak is under new management, and who knows what it is like these days.

    But, I spent many a long night and early morning there when Kings Cross was still scruffy and the locals knew each other.

    Saw The Church at a basement club, had breakfast at Sweethearts, all that.

    It’s boring nowadays.

  148. Geriatric Mayfly

    Diamonds received another run in the above conversation. Seems the best bet is to start at 100 carats and work your way up.

    A necklace featuring a giant 163.41-carat colorless diamond — the world’s largest of its kind — sold for $33.7 million at auction Tuesday.

  149. Tom

    I see from latest reports that the disaster didn’t happen.

    Melbournibad was promised a minimum of six inches of rain and got less that half that, but 100% of the MSM is totally onboard with the CAGW scam, so on a quick scan I can’t see a single story this morning about how BOM got it wrong. Even the Paywallian can’t get enough disaster porn (Records smashed as hundreds flee). Did you see what they did there? 90% of Vicco’s urban population missed what had been promoted by BOM as a weather catastrophe, so let’s talk up just another flood in the bush that we get every other year.

    As you say, Johanna, next time no-one will believe them.

  150. lotocoti

    The national party spent the week subtly reminding everyone they are not the same thing as the Turnbull Coalition Team.

    Yet there was Trumble touting the biggest by-election swing towards a sitting government evah.
    Sadly, the 30% swing away from Other will probably extend
    the reign of His Potential Greatness.

  151. Shelley

    You should write a book Johanna. Sounds like you have some interesting stories from those years.

  152. OldOzzie

    Delingpole: Donald Trump Trolls Londonistan Like a Boss…

    Excellent Article – whole article worth a read

    Now let me explain why, far from being a stupid, irresponsible, unpresidential move – as Britain’s chattering classes would have us believe – Trump’s tweets were in fact tactically astute.

    Donald Trump, as many of us here know, is a much underrated figure in certain quarters.

    If you think this is true in the U.S., you should try living in Britain – or in Ireland where, last weekend, I found myself in the extremely lonely position of defending his record at Dublin’s Festival of Politics. [You can hear more about some of my Irish adventures on my latest podcast]

    Virtually none of my colleagues, even in the conservative media, has a good word to say about him. They think of him in all the usual leftist cliches: that he’s crass, vulgar, dumb, brash and so on. They think that those few of us who defend him – like me, Katie Hopkins, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Pryce-Jones, Daniel Johnson and a handful of others – only do so because we are attention-seeking loons.

    What they misunderstand about Trump is the scale of his ambitions and the true nature of his mission.

    As I argue in this week’s Spectator, he represents the same revolt of the masses against the liberal elite we saw with Brexit. His mission is vital:

    That mission, domestically, is to Make America Great Again. But his ambitions, I believe, are even greater than that. As he outlined in his brilliant Warsaw speech, he sees himself as the defender of not just the free world, but of western civilisation itself.

    ‘We write symphonies. We pursue innovation. We celebrate our ancient heroes, embrace our timeless traditions and customs, and always seek to explore and discover brand-new frontiers. We reward brilliance. We strive for excellence, and cherish inspiring works of art that honour God. We treasure the rule of law and protect the right to free speech and free expression. We empower women as pillars of our society and of our success. We put faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, at the centre of our lives. And we debate everything. We challenge everything.’

    President Trump’s Warsaw Speech – the most important speech any president has made since Ronald Reagan’s 1987 “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” – established him as Western Civilization’s White Knight. No other leader anywhere in the Western world – certainly not Angela Merkel or the insipid Theresa May – speaks up for our values (the wisdom of the Ancients, infused with Judaeo-Christian morality, filtered through the skepticism and scientific experiment of the Enlightenment, made prosperous by global trade and the Industrial Revolution) in such a forthright and unapologetic way.

    It might seem a stretch to argue that Trump’s recent trio of trolling retweets of Muslims-behaving-badly videos have much to do with this noble mission.

    But cometh the man, cometh the hour. President Trump is no ordinary leader and he most certainly does not play by the conventional rules.

    A key facet of his modus operandi is the way he manages to bypass a generally hostile media and speak directly to his constituency – essentially ordinary people who’ve had just about enough of politically correct nonsense – using social media.

    Straight laced conservatives deplore this. They think it’s undignified. Even that it trivializes the presidential office and undermines Trump’s mission.

    On the contrary, as Vox Day persuasively demonstrates in his new book SJWs Always Double Down , Trump wields Twitter like a cross between a surgeon’s scalpel and a theater commander’s Daisycutter bomb.

  153. notafan

    Thank you Jannie.

    Milo has a huge following on Facebook and much of the chat on the Penthouse Facebook ads for his show indicated younger men.

    Great to hear there was a roar of approval for Tony Abbott, he has a strong and loyal base.

  154. Baldrick

    Thanks Jannie and Tom (chuckle, chuckle, snort)

  155. johanna

    Shelley
    #2573655, posted on December 3, 2017 at 8:36 am

    You should write a book Johanna. Sounds like you have some interesting stories from those years.

    Thanks, Shelley, I do, but ladies don’t tell. 🙂

    I had a call not long ago from someone who was writing a biography of a political figure whose name all here would recognise. He wanted to chat, no really, off the record and all that.

    He must think that I fell off the last haycart.

    Didn’t even offer me money.

  156. OldOzzie

    Further on Delingpole above

    Wannabe jihadist in Supreme Court over brutal killing of wife in front of children

    A RADICALISED Muslim who removed his wife’s right eye before slaughtering her in front of their children told police it was “normal” behaviour in the Middle East.

    The brutal killer, who cannot be named to protect the identities of his three children, is facing life behind bars after he pleaded guilty to the horrific killing in June last year.

    The Supreme Court heard on Friday how the Broadmeadows man had set out on a “prolonged and vicious” knife attack on his wife at their family home.

    He removed her right eye in what is believed to be inspired by the Islamist one-eyed antichrist Dajjal, and cut off two of her fingers while she was still alive.

    She bled to death after suffering deep lacerations across her face, neck, arms, legs, back, hips and genitalia.

    Her butchered body, wrapped in a doona with cling wrap and electrical tape, was found dumped in grassland in Dallas a month later.

    In his police interview, when an officer said it was one of the worst cases he had come across, the man replied: “Grow a gut for it as in the Middle East it’s normal.”

    Told that his family did not condone this behaviour, he said: “F— them, f— everyone. I’ve done nothing wrong.”

    When it was suggested he had put his children through hell, he said: “If they’ve gone through hell, they’ll grow up to be stronger.”

    His children — two boys, aged 6 and 4, and a girl, 2 — described to police the bloody scenes and how they watched as their father “slaughtered” their mother with a big knife.

    “All of her body was blood, nothing but blood,” one of the boys said.

    They also detailed how he cut out her right eye and flushed it down the toilet.

    “Mummy is like the antichrist,” one of the children remarked.

    Prosecutor Sharn Coombes said the removal of his wife’s eye was indicative of the man’s religious beliefs and his “extreme interpretation of his own religion”.

    The court heard the man, who was acquitted several years ago in a major terror trial where he was among several men accused of planning terror attacks, wanted to move to Syria to fight with jihad.

    He once sliced his wife’s hand when she refused to read the book of sharia law.

    He also isolated her from her family and friends, did not allow her to leave the house without him, and forced her to wear a burqa, only showing her eyes.

    When she started working from home as a seamstress, he wouldn’t allow her to repair men’s clothing. He also would not allow his children to go to school, watch TV, or speak English.

    “He wanted to teach them about guns, jihad and the war,” Ms Coombes said.

    Their home had just bare mattresses in the bedrooms, a milk crate in the loungeroom, scribble on the walls and smashed windows.

    Defence lawyer Scott Johns argued that the man was in a drug-induced psychosis and had a documented history of psychotic disturbance.

    “What your honour is dealing with is a person who had a very disturbed approach to his thinking at the time,” Mr Johns told Justice Lex Lasry.

    “He became convinced that his wife had been sent by god to kill him.”

    He believed that her family had used black magic on him, Mr Johns said.

    Ms Coombes asked that the maximum penalty of life without parole be imposed. But Mr Johns said the man should be given a head sentence with a chance at parole.

    The case will return to court next Wednesday, before he will be sentenced at a later date.

  157. Combine Dave

    feelthebern
    #2573085, posted on December 2, 2017 at 2:14 pm
    The good thing about the Swedes turning their men into a pack of pussies & importing millions of durka durka’s, it means the Swedish women folk will migrate to Oz in search of insemination.
    Keep going Sweden.

    Where they will vote for the things that ruined their homeland.

    Hard pass.

  158. stackja

    SO I SAID “MALCOLM TURNBULL” TO THE MILO AUDIENCE…
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    December 2, 2017 7:24am
    Subscriber only
    Introducing Milo Yiannopoulos to the packed-out crowd in Adelaide last night, I mentioned two words: “Malcolm Turnbull.”

    Unbelievable. Huge and sustained booing.

    I then mentioned “Tony Abbott”. The cheers for him were almost as loud as were the boos for Turnbull.

    Sure, it wasn’t a typical audience. But a Liberal Prime Minister who is loathed so completely by a libertarian/conservative crowd is unlikely to have an army of passionate volunteers and donors to count on come the campaign.

    By the way, in the crowd were people prominent in the South Australian Liberal machine, plus Cory Bernardi, who got a huge ovation as he walked in.

  159. Peter Castieau

    I think Waffleworth just admitted that the AFP are investigating Dastardly and also that federal issues had nothing to do with the QLD election. Claims success in New England was up to him!

    Sky news

  160. min

    Melbourne was awash yesterday where I was ,Melb. Uni for grandaughter’s graduation as Doctor of Medicine. At least organisers had enough sense to open a lecture theatre and stream it from Wilson Hall as family only allowed two tickets and there were many grannies, sisters ,partners etc who could then enjoy the ceremony. However it poured buckets when getting between venues with huge puddles that I had to walk thru as waiting for hip replacement and could not jump over them and no Sir Walters about. All worth it.
    Interesting one young person , a sister of a graduand, asked me if I had been to a graduation before Quite surprised to find an elderly woman had two degrees and post graduate quals as well as attending other graduations of family members.
    Another observation , the person who read out the names would have had to have the names written phonetically as there were a much lower percentage of Anglo surnames and those wearing headscarves not all shook hands with the Vice Chancellor . This raised the discussion on way home how the hell could she practise medicine whilst avoiding contact with males.

  161. Peter Castieau

    Laura Jays just called Waffleworth the elephant in the room. Lol

  162. stackja

    Cut the snarkiness and leave BOM alone
    CLAIRE SUTHERLAND
    Claire Sutherland
    December 2, 2017 4:00pm
    Subscriber only
    HERE’S something that may come as a shock to city-dwellers — there’s more to Victoria than Melbourne.

    And that’s something we should perhaps bear in mind before contributing to the outpouring of sarcasm about the failure of the “storm of the century” to do much more than cause a few puddles in the city.

    Events were cancelled, people worked from home or left work early on Friday, gutters were cleared, and in the end, for most suburbs of Melbourne it didn’t amount to much more than, well, some rain.

    But try telling someone sandbagging their house in Euroa today that the Bureau of Meteorology overreacted. Or a farmer in the Wimmera who worked all night to harvest crops that might otherwise have been wiped out by the 40 odd millimetres the region was hit with between Friday and today. Or the folk of Myrtleford who are right now making decisions about whether to stay or go and finding out where the nearest relief centres are.

    Meanwhile Melburnians are complaining about their disappointment in not seeing something a bit more exciting. Apparently we want our roofs ripped off or our money back.

    I’m not a weather expert. I’m not even a weather enthusiast, but I suspect meteorology is one of the most inexact of sciences. I can’t conceive of the number of variables BOM has to calculate to come up with something even vaguely accurate.

    On Thursday BOM forecaster Scott Williams remarked on the impending then-apocalypse “Half the inhabitants of Melbourne have probably never seen something like this”.

    It was an attention grabbing comment, and judging by the light traffic around Melbourne on Friday, one that people took to heart.

    And it must be galling to be the organiser of an event who made the decision to cancel, only to discover the show could probably have gone on.

    But where would you rather live?

    A country where a weather bureau elects to take a punt and issue lukewarm advice on the off-chance a storm will miss a major city, or one where they decide when it comes to human life and safety, it’s best to look at the worse case scenario and give people as much warning as possible.

    I know what my answer is.

    Claire Sutherland is the acting editor of RendezView.com.au.

  163. cohenite

    Jannie

    #2573573, posted on December 3, 2017 at 4:33 am

    Milo in Perth – 2 December

    Excellent.

  164. Snoopy

    The good thing about the Swedes turning their men into a pack of pussies & importing millions of durka durka’s, it means the Swedish women folk will migrate to Oz in search of insemination.

    No they won’t. They’ll willingly sack up and discover the joys of being used as breeders. Which means we will be spared those clueless bints.

  165. Farmer Gez

    Interesting Min.
    At the scene of an accident would our hijab Docs refuse treatment to injured men?
    I would doubt this, so why not shake the hand of the VC? It’s all about signalling their faith, a lack of respect and an appalling lack of humility.

  166. notafan

    Bassam Raad did a great job admitting that torturing and murdering your wife in front of your children is AOK in the ME

  167. OldOzzie

    Piers Akerman: Why PM needs to buy Sam a feed of Chinese

    THE Coalition can only hope Labor continues to offer a ­hiding place to serial Sino-­collaborator Sam Dastyari.

    The Dasher is the only ­distraction on Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s otherwise bleak horizon.

    Though he has lost all credibility within the party he has determinedly hollowed out, he can continue to prosecute the case against Dastyari knowing that he is, for once, on ­extremely safe ground.

    Dastyari is an absolute disgrace and, while Opposition leader Bill Shorten is obliged to offer him sanctuary for factional reasons, the grasping young NSW senator will remain a stinking albatross around his and the ALP’s collective neck.

    No apology can undo what Dastyari has done in his latest attempt to assist his ­Chinese backers.

    Consider this: Dastyari, in informing his Chinese benefactor, the Chinese billionaire and political donor Huang Xiangmo, that the two men should leave their mobile telephones inside Huang’s mansion and converse outside where (hopefully) they could not be overheard was effectively letting his sponsor know that the Australian security services were targeting him for surveillance.

    He was for all purposes letting a foreign political actor know that he was in the frame.

    This is not a matter to be disposed of with a press ­release, a reduction in party ­responsibilities and a relatively insignificant pay cut.

    China is the biggest bear in our region and Dastyari was not only forwarding his bills to an agent of the Chinese in the clear expectation they would be paid, but he was prepared to stand up and contradict official Labor policy and support the Chinese position publicly when he thought his remarks would not be recorded.

    Indeed, he initially denied making the statement and continued to do so until a ­recording was discovered.

    The recent Australian White Paper outlined modest concerns about China’s impact in our region and tried to nuance the clear threat to sovereignty with placatory words about our economic dependence on the behemoth.

    But there was another paper released last month which didn’t receive the publicity it deserved and should be compulsory reading for all our politicians.

    It was the report of the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission to the US Congress.

    Running to more than 640 pages, it is without doubt the most current comprehensive study of China and its growing global power.

    After reading through its well-researched findings and its exhaustive recommendations I forwarded a copy to a former senior defence department official for comment and his response tallied with mine.

    He said that it was “one of the best reports of its kind that I have read — and I’ve read a lot of them”.

    As a matter of urgency, he recommended that every MP be given a copy and that it be printed as a parliamentary paper because it needed the widest distribution.

    In reviewing it, he said: “It paints a picture of a country gearing up for war. It’s not just aiming to protect its own back yard. It’s developing capabilities to project power way, way beyond its own borders.

    “Their concept of power is holistic: military, propaganda, economic, diplomatic etc. All the country’s resources seem to be focused on dominating most of the world and crushing America.”

    Particularly disturbing were the chapters on Chinese espionage and its engagement with the Western media, including Hollywood.

    The economic analysis was not surprising but the review of China’s development of ­advanced weapons and high technology including its achievements in areas such as computing, robotics and biotechnology are frightening.

    Of special interest to Australian readers (and hopefully politicians) is the examination of China’s untrustworthy commercial practices.

    My friend said the report makes clear that you’d have to be a big risk-taker to get ­involved with them.

    In fact, he said, the report describes a deceitful, ruthless bully with a psychotic lust for power and a huge chip on its shoulder and which, curiously, is also childish in its attitudes. The only good thing is the fragility of the Chinese economy.

    “With a bit of luck they’ll collapse before they can do too much damage,” he said.

    The US report recommends prohibiting the acquisition of US assets by Chinese state-owned or state-controlled entities, including sovereign wealth funds and mandatory reviews of transactions involving the acquisition of controlling interests in US assets by Chinese entities not falling under the above class of ­acquiring entities.

    It says there should be ­reviews of investments in US-based greenfield assets by ­Chinese-controlled entities to assess any potential harm to US security.

    Any acquisition or investment that would confer “control” with regard to critical technologies or infrastructure would be prohibited and it recommends that the US Departments of Homeland Security, Commerce, and Defence prepare and regularly update a list of critical technologies or ­infrastructure that would not be eligible for acquisition or ­investment by any Chinese entities. It also says there should be a net economic benefit test to assess the impact of acquisitions by Chinese entities in the United States.

    “I’m full of admiration for the authors of this report. Thanks America. Who else could do this?”

    Not Australia, certainly, with so many politicians, current and former, from both sides of the House being co-opted and suborned by none too subtle Chinese sponsors acting for their government.

    Dastyari’s presence in the Senate is a gross insult to the Australian people. If the ALP permits him to retain his place in parliament it would indicate how much influence Manchuria has on its leadership.

  168. Eyrie

    Weather forecasts that always predict the worst case simply become useless.
    The business works like this: make precise prediction. Most likely it will be wrong so everybody forgets about it as nobody expects weather forecasts to be right anyway. If you get lucky, your reputation is made forever!

  169. Tel

    Cut the snarkiness and leave BOM alone
    CLAIRE SUTHERLAND

    She’s a moron.

    Useless, inaccurate, overblown safety warnings all over the place are just as dangerous as lack of any safety warnings (perhaps moreso) because they generate noise and confusion. The BOM should strive to give the most accurate forecast possible, without editorializing, and without any do-gooder helpful advice.

    If that’s too difficult for them, then save a buck and shut down the department that fails to make accurate predictions. At least publish the raw data collected and let other people worry about predictions.

  170. Peter Castieau

    $1.2b a year and their ABC can’t even get a decent line to speak to Barnaby

  171. Geriatric Mayfly

    A RADICALISED Muslim who removed his wife’s right eye before slaughtering her in front of their children told police it was “normal” behaviour in the Middle East.

    And judging by the feminist outrage here just part of the diversity and rich tapestry woven by importing goatherds. Christmas parties are underway, and these shrivelled hags will by on full alert for the first inappropriate ogler, bum-patter and mansplainer. ,

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    A couple of things:

    1. Sticky as buggery in Darwin – lots of snap and crackle up above and 84+mm in the gauge from 0300 to 0700. Bugger all by Top End Wet standards.

    2. From personal experience, Ms Sutherland, 40mm of rain on a Wimmera crop will not destroy it, unless it falls in two minutes flat and is accompanied by hail and strong wind. Most cockies will only be a few weeks away from harvest anyway.

    3. I know a lot of people here go on about it, but I just turned on this Insiders show. I’ve not seen this Cassidy fellow before – he looks like Ray Liotta after being partially fed through a wood chipper. I can see why the show is treated with such derision (from the content, not Cassidy’s melon).

  173. Knuckle Dragger

    Almost forgot:

    The Rand Paul apology.

    The Christine Forster apology.

    Before you start meandering your way through US affairs – what say you, MOnty?

  174. Tel

    Indeed, he initially denied making the statement and continued to do so until a ­recording was discovered.

    OK, so we have genuine evidence that the phones were bugged. So I would guess every significant political figure should presume the same.

  175. Shelley

    Related to Old Ozzie’s post at 8.51am, direct, well-written piece.

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/11/terror-incognito/

    Excerpt

    Those people running in Boston, or dancing in Orlando, or a strolling down the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, or attending a pop concert in Manchester, or cycling in New York are victims of Muslim terrorists alright. However, they are also victims of politicians (and the media) wilfully refusing to face up to the Islamic threat.

    I have an idea. Instead of calmly carrying on, let’s rage at this affront to our lives and liberties, to our values and civilisation. Let’s understand that we are in a religious war which we need to win for the sake of our children and for theirs and theirs in turn. The principal enemy is the ideology. It is Islam as a body of unholy scripture.

    And let’s not forget the buzz word of recent years: “radicalisation.” Oh, of course, they say, he was radicalised. There he is productive and assimilated one day, radicalised over the internet, probably by ISIS, the next. What fatuous piffle! Islamic barbarity has a very long history stretching over fourteen centuries. These fanatics do not need the internet, nor ISIS Johnny-come-latelies, to want to kill infidels.

  176. John Constantine

    Stopping harvest of flammable legumes to regularly blow the high risk dust off the harvester is best practice.

    Because of the panic stricken weather reports, there were a lot of lentils harvested in mid to high thirties temperature, in mid to high thirties wind speed, and just harvested flat out with fingers crossed nothing went wrong.

    I didn’t hear of a string of fires, so luck was with us, but the odds weren’t.

  177. notafan

    May be paywalled. Very interesting that Australian Conservatives volunteers ended up outnumbering both the major parties. Go Jorum!


    Miranda on Bennelong

  178. johanna

    Completely off topic, but someone linked to the currently authorised version of ‘When the Levee Breaks’ last night. The new version has John Bonham’s drums, the whole point of the intro, turned down.

    It’s like photoshopping.

    I don’t mind if people change stuff, but admit it upfront, and leave us with the original to compare it with.

  179. Farmer Gez

    We farmers have been laughing at BoM’s short term and seasonal predictions for a long time.
    When they alert the clueless media of a wet/cool or dry/hot outlook, farmers already know the pattern is well in place. They are specialists in hindcasting.

  180. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He put shit on various lefties, islamists and feminists, using huge powerpoint like overheads.

    So I was wrong. Milo does use Powerpoint. In his own special way, I bet. Probably videos. Looking forward to seeing that on Tuesday. Thanks for the advance warm up to it, Janie. Most enjoyable. I don’t know what sort of seats Hairy has managed to get, but ordinary ones will do me. Somehow I suspect Sydney will see the swampies try for a big ‘international’ statement. We haven’t heard yet where the venue is. Hope the police and security are all geared up for the immediate arrests/evictions, and no ‘newsworthy’ tussles.

    The audience sounds a little different to the Australian Conservatives launch in age and style. That’s a relief. Not that we can talk. Good to know that there is a wider demographic arriving for Milo.

    Re SSM – I see from CL’s link above that in the US the lawfare has already started. Biological parenthood is unfair to gays so we must end it. No-one saw that coming. Love is love.

    Mayfly, no stone needs to be larger than one carat, imho. Too unwieldy otherwise. More like a knuckle-duster if in a ring, especially if not alone. Deep stones also lose sparkle, so what’s the point then? Send the big ones to Belgium and let the best cutters at ’em, I say (contra to many others). Quite a lot of the value is in the cutting, obtaining the sparkle. Diamonds are graded on clarity, carat, cut type, expertise of cut, colour and origin. No blood diamonds for me. Also, I don’t have a safe full of diamonds; just some.

    I promise never to mention diamonds on Catallaxy again.

    You can believe a woman when she says …. etc. 🙂

  181. Baldrick

    … and no, it’s not a parody account:

    PSNI ✔ @PoliceServiceNI (Northern Ireland)
    If you bump into that special someone under the mistletoe tonight, remember that without consent it is rape #SeasonsGreetings

  182. egg_

    I didn’t hear of a string of fires, so luck was with us, but the odds weren’t.

    Does Musk have a harvester, yet?

  183. Mark from Melbourne

    Actual bits of blue sky sighted in Melbournibad.

    We’re saved!

  184. egg_

    I’m not a weather expert. I’m not even a weather enthusiast, but I suspect meteorology is one of the most inexact of sciences. I can’t conceive of the number of variables BOM has to calculate to come up with something even vaguely accurate.

    Should be cast in stone.
    The irony that the tards can’t even get the weather right yet seek to predict global sea level rise and temperature?

  185. Rev. Archibald

    promise never to mention diamonds on Catallaxy again

    ..
    What about secure storage? Can you keep them up your bum?

  186. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve not seen this Cassidy fellow before – he looks like Ray Liotta after being partially fed through a wood chipper

    Now that’s a keeper. I’m saving it.

  187. egg_

    Aunty has been bashing Dastyari both on Breakfast and Insiders – giving him the hint to resign?

  188. Farmer Gez

    Barry Cassidy is mounting a stout defence of Dastyari, even La Tingle can’t swallow the bull.
    Barry reckons the dual citizens issue is about eligibility and has to be reminded by Tingle that the basis of the rules is about divided loyalty.
    RETIRE Barry, you silly old partisan fool.

  189. zyconoclast

    May be paywalled. Very interesting that Australian Conservatives volunteers ended up outnumbering both the major parties. Go Jorum!

    Miranda on Bennelong


    It was nice that Penny Wong decided to hand out HTV cards for KK.

  190. Baldrick

    Apparently the Persian Dwarf case is oh so complicated …

    Insiders ABC ✔ @InsidersABC
    Barrie Cassidy and Lara Tingle discuss the complicated nature of Dastyari’s case. #insiders

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What about secure storage? Can you keep them up your bum?

    Only uncomfortably, during border crossings, when avoiding being herded into re-education camps.
    Personally, I haven’t been driven to these levels of extremis so far in my life.
    In general, in a small fixed safe, or in a ‘safe’ hiding place, which I then forget, ending up searching frantically in cupboards and kitchenware (not the freezer, burglars look there these days) which drives Hairy crazy. Would you like rice, or, umm, diamonds with that?

    Oh, and replying to queries and other conversations about diamonds doesn’t count as me not mentioning them any more. I know how you are trying to get me into trouble here, Arky.

  192. zyconoclast

    Apparently the Persian Dwarf case is oh so complicated …

    Insiders ABC ✔ @InsidersABC
    Barrie Cassidy and Lara Tingle discuss the complicated nature of Dastyari’s case. #insiders
    The complication is how to save the Persian Dwarf withut damaging Tits Shorten too much.

    The usual tactics of delay and distract (Craig Thomson?) will not work ts time.

  193. Rev. Archibald

    It still counts Elizabeth.

  194. Baldrick

    Distraction squirrels –

    Insiders ABC ✔ @InsidersABC
    How did the Sam Dastyari story get out? Barrie Cassidy says maybe someone did break the law.. #insiders

  195. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ps Arky, women get two apertures to consider as hiding places in extremis. The one unmentioned would probably be more comfortable. Prince Charles certainly thought t’would be so. Lucky us.

  196. egg_

    Apparently the Persian Dwarf case is oh so complicated …

    Anything to do with the Persian pr0n dwarf soon gets “complicated”, strangely?
    One of those 2-bob watch salesmen of yore?

  197. egg_

    Barrie Cassidy says maybe someone did break the law..

    Shanghai Sam?

  198. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It still counts Elizabeth.

    Does not. You hit below the belt (exhibit one, above). I’m Queensbury’s Roolz.

  199. The chief forecasters at the BoM, Dr. C. Little and a boy who keeps yelling wolf seem to have the backing of the MSM.
    Maybe they have a story to tell?

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Surely farmers now use some alternative to the BoM these days?
    You couldn’t bet the farm on the BoM and its lupine tendencies.

  201. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Return of the Dambusters! Squadron is to be reformed to fly Britain’s new stealth fighter jets from HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5139991/Return-Dambusters-617-Squadron-reformed.html#ixzz509FsX2yY
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    For military Cats.

  202. Jo Smyth

    Thanks Jannie for telling us about Milo. Hopefully some of this may get up on You Tube.

  203. 132andBush


    Does Musk have a harvester, yet?

    Musk IS a harvester.

  204. Farmer Gez

    There are plenty of other forecasters that farmers use Lizzie but you have to pay a packet for their services and they can’t overcome the unpredictability of weather either.

  205. So Bananaby has a solid backing in his electorate.

    Did Dick Dastardly influence the result?

  206. rickw

    What about secure storage? Can you keep them up your bum?

    Probably more comfortable than a watch.

  207. OldOzzie

    ABC News Suspends Brian Ross for 4 Weeks Without Pay: ‘Effective Immediately’

    ABC News has announced that Brian Ross would be suspended for four weeks without pay “effective immediately.”

    “It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience – these are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday,” the network said in a statement on Saturday. “Effective immediately, Brian Ross will be suspended for four weeks without pay.”

    Ross came under considerable fire on Friday after he erroneously reported on live television that then-candidate Donald Trump had instructed Michael Flynn to make contact with the Russians. In a correction seven hours later, the channel admitted that it was “President-elect” Trump who had made the request of Flynn — a pretty significant difference.

  208. entropy

    Barrie Cassidy says maybe someone did break the law..

    Apart from Shanghai Sam? No doubt someone has leaked secret info. I can easily imagine someone got incensed that that the Turnbul Coalition Team was going to let the Shanghai Sam Shenanigans through to the keeper, and thus blew the whistle. I would have though Barry Cassidy would be a fan of whistle blowers? Or is it that it is who gets the whistle blowed on that matters for the old lizard?

  209. Snoopy

    Has Kristina Keneally strongly refuted Miranda Devine’s claim that the ALP is recruiting ChiCom students from Macquarie University to hand out election material in Bennelong?

    If not, why not?

    When will we have an inquiry into ChiCom interference in Australian elections?

  210. rickw

    Where they will vote for the things that ruined their homeland.

    Hard pass.

    There needs to be some sort real welcome to the country for immigrants:

    “If you are here, it generally means that you and your countrymen have fucked up bigly.

    On that basis, you should shut the fuck up and watch and learn.

    This will help you avoid fucking up this country with the ideas that fucked your homeland.

    Thank you for your attention, welcome to Australia.”

  211. entropy

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2573733, posted on December 3, 2017 at 10:12 am
    Surely farmers now use some alternative to the BoM these days?
    You couldn’t bet the farm on the BoM and its lupine tendencies.

    BoM will improve next year when it shifts of the lame, home grown POAMA model to Access S next year. Sad when the Poms can oreductvAustralian weather better than our people. And don’t get me started on its overreliance on modelling data while it closes down weather stations outputting old fashioned observations.

  212. If Dick Dastardly lived anywhere else, at this stage he would (choose one or more):

    . be in custody
    . have disappeared
    . be found with a bullet in the back of the head
    . have been publicly executed
    . be standing on a dais with generals to explain all was ok
    . have escaped to Ecuador
    . been appointed to a consulate in Gnome, Alaska

  213. Rev. Archibald

    Libertarian fruitcake predicts crypto currencies with be the harbinger of a libertarian utopia.
    ..
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6NscwzbMvI

  214. johanna

    Truth is, as I have said previously, the BoM has no role except as a purveyor of raw data. A weather nerd like yours truly and Bruce in Newcastle have been studying the published maps for many years.

    That is one of the reasons why they bulk up every event with hysterical predictions.

    Private weather services abound, and the BoM is fighting extinction.

  215. Tel

    “If you are here, it generally means that you and your countrymen have fucked up bigly.

    On that basis, you should shut the fuck up and watch and learn.

    This will help you avoid fucking up this country with the ideas that fucked your homeland.

    Thank you for your attention, welcome to Australia.”

    Do you think the Swedish bikini team are going to take heed of that?

  216. Rev. Archibald

    Interesting fellow, this Roger Ver.

  217. Mater

    I’m not a weather expert. I’m not even a weather enthusiast, but I suspect meteorology is one of the most inexact of sciences. I can’t conceive of the number of variables BOM has to calculate to come up with something even vaguely accurate.

    But it’s ok to close down Coal Generation because we can predict the wind so accurately?
    Same, same for rooftop solar?
    And, yes, the variables are numerous and complex, especially when predicting 100 years out.

  218. Tom

    Jannie
    #2573573, posted on December 3, 2017 at 4:33 am

    Thanks, Jannie — a top read.

  219. rickw

    Do you think the Swedish bikini team are going to take heed of that?

    Huh? What did you say? Sorry, was looking at the Swedish bikini team!

  220. Tel

    Huh? What did you say? Sorry, was looking at the Swedish bikini team!

    Looking is fine, we are mulling over whether to give them a home and a vote when their country inevitably collapses.

  221. Hey Knuckle Dragger, no apologies are warranted. The Rand Paul thing still sounds like a domestic dispute, Paul did an interview and was noncommittal on why the neighbour attacked him. You’d think if it was over politics he’d be playing the victim, wouldn’t you? As for the Forster thing, I suspect the assault charge will be dropped as there didn’t appear to be any bodily harm, but the malicious damage charge seems to be appropriate. It was a terrible jacket anyway, the bloke did Christine a favour. 🙂

  222. rickw

    ABC photos of the devastating floods in Dannograd

    Clean up starting in Spotswood?! I don’t think I’ve ever seen it cleaner…

  223. C.L.

    LOL:

    James Woods‏Verified account @RealJamesWoods
    16h16 hours ago
    More James Woods Retweeted Chuck Schumer
    Your party took 8 years and their signature economic achievement was #CashForClunkers. Sit down and be quiet. #Trump is rolling over you like a Sherman Tank. @realDonaldTrumpJames Woods added
    Chuck Schumer @SenSchumer
    Tonight, I feel mostly regret at what could have been.

    Tax reform is an issue that is ripe for bipartisan compromise. There is a sincere desire on this side of the aisle to work with the GOP, particularly…

  224. Rae

    So Bananaby has a solid backing in his electorate.

    Did Dick Dastardly influence the result?

    Probably not. Labor was never likely to do well in New England. Joyces 64% isn’t really the by-election big deal that is being claimed. It’s just a return to the Nationals of those who previously supported Windsor.

  225. johanna

    Gee, Lizzie, despite you endlessly telling us about how busy you are with four children and so on, you seem to have plenty of time to share your wisdom here.

    School holidays, is it? No doubt the inconvenients are off to expensive activities.

  226. rickw

    Looking is fine, we are mulling over whether to give them a home and a vote when their country inevitably collapses.

    I think the answer is definitely NO.

    Immigration from Socialist Wonderlands has done an immense amount of damage to Australia.

    Dumb ideas carried by dumb people are highly persistent.

  227. Also, the cheek of demanding apologies on the Cat is a bit rich. Did you get triggered? Do you need a safe space? Poor diddums.

  228. Much and all as I want to see Mick Trumble banished to Heard Island, if he can keep Dick Dastardly in the senate until the next election, there might be a chance of retaining power.

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    Hey, no worries MOnty. Addressed the questions – certain others here wouldn’t. Much appreciated – go back to Trump at your leisure.

    BTW, the assault charge should stand – bodily harm is an aggravating factor and doesn’t affect the substantive charge.

    Gee, we’re all playing nicely on Sunday morning…….

  230. Nick

    How did the Sam Dastyari story get out? Barrie Cassidy says maybe someone did break the law.. #insiders

    FMD, the ABC has become pure parody.

  231. Knuckle Dragger

    Spoke too soon – saw your 1053 post.

    It wasn’t a demand, just a request to do what normal people would do.

    And the last thing I require is a safe space. Nice of you to try and fit the phrase in though.

    Lightweight.

  232. feelthebern

    If it was a Lib who leaked it, it would have already led back to them, like the Michaelia Cash thing.
    I reckon it was an ALP rival.
    Keep in mind it was leaked to a gazillion media outlets at the same time.
    And no one is saying where it came from.
    I reckon it was from Shortens office.
    That’s why it’s as tight as a drum.

  233. C.L.

    Frances Abbott appears with no pants on for today’s Stellar magazine cover feature.

    Seriously, WTF?

  234. “We’re in a lot of trouble Bullwinkle. We’ve got to THINK!”

    “This is no time to take up a hobby Rocky”

    Could be a conversation between any two of our Federal politicians.

  235. feelthebern

    Tony Abbott must take leave immediately to care for his mentally ill family.
    A Kiwi wife.
    One publicly disturbed daughter.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if the two other kids are mad as hatters.
    If this was public knowledge prior to the 2013 election, he would never have won.

  236. C.L.

    Senior Mueller investigator fired for adulterous sex romp with colleague – with whom he shared anti-Trump, pro-Clinton texts. What a goat rodeo.

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