Monday Forum: December 4, 2017

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  1. Zatara

    Australia gets heaps of rainfall. It just tends to fall all at once in one place, rather than conveniently delivered a bit at a time. The problem is not shortage of fresh water, it is storage and distribution of fresh water.

    Tel

    It appears that there is already an excellent storage and distribution method for that water. Route it into the aquifer(s) and pump it out where you need it. No evaporation issues, little cross country piping, etc.

    Gaia’s own plumbing.

  2. struth

    Lake Argyle, now over 28 times (possibly more as they raise the spillway) HAS NEVER BEEN USED.

    The size of Sydney Harbour

  3. johanna

    Part of my job is writing code in machine language when needed, so am no stranger to IT, yet I rely on written notes on paper as reminder of everything important to-do.

    Me too. It goes to illustrate how different people have different perceptual styles.

    I was always regarded as a dinosaur when I asked for a desk calendar to write my appointments on instead of using the computer diary. But, it worked best for me, and still does.

  4. JC

    Mueller himself in deep legal trouble:

    Two more of his staff exposed as Hillary Clinton loyalists – one of them to be named by Laura Ingraham tonight.

    Heaven is Comey, Mueller and Crooked having adjacent cells.

  5. entropy

    i Would expect the majority of bureaucrats to be DNC loyalists, CL, the question is do they do their job faithfully, or let their political preferences shape the job they do?

    Outing people on the basis of political prefs is not a rabbit hole to leap down. The right would lose.

  6. C.L.

    Mueller subpoenas Deutsche Bank and gets Trump’s bank records. Nice.

    Trump must be getting close to firing Mueller. And once Congress gets its tax bill through, they will have no more need for Trump. Obstacles to impeachment are melting away.

    More fake news.

    Mueller’s team has not subpoenaed Deutsche Bank on Trump’s finances, legal team says.

    “We have confirmed that the news reports that the special counsel had subpoenaed financial records relating to the president are false,” said Jay Sekulow, a member of Trump’s legal team. “No subpoena has been issued or received. We have confirmed this with the bank and other sources.”

    Bloomberg, citing an unnamed source, reported that Mueller is seeking information on the German lender and its relationship with Trump and his family. Trump reportedly owes the bank $300 million.

    DRUDGE new: NO BANK RECORDS SUBPOENAED

    Meanwhile the WSJ has demanded Mueller resign for obstructing justice.

  7. JC

    Question.

    Theoretically, if Lake Eyre were to be filled up permanently would that mean, on balance, there would be more precipitation throughout inland Oz?

  8. Australia gets heaps of rainfall. It just tends to fall all at once in one place, rather than conveniently delivered a bit at a time. The problem is not shortage of fresh water, it is storage and distribution of fresh water.

    I recall reading an analysis of one East Gippsland flood, where the amount of water dumped into the sea in just one event was greater than the total of Dannograd’s water storage.

    There are three seasons in Australia. Drought, flood and fire.

  9. OneWorldGovernment

    struth
    #2576966, posted on December 6, 2017 at 9:02 am

    Nearly the top third of Australia is under water for five months of the year.
    Lake Argyle, now over 28 times (possibly more as they raise the spillway) HAS NEVER BEEN USED.

    struth

    I am not disagreeing with you.

    Merely pointing out the possibilities for Sth Australia.

    You keep not mentioning the Ord River Scheme which I think was a government screw up.

    If the shithead Sth Aus gubmint would get out of the way why couldn’t a private, as in non gubmint, organization build the means as in nuclear and desalination plants and pipe water into Lake Eyre.

  10. C.L.

    Looks like Peter Strzok is also going to jail:

    The FBI agent who was fired from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation team for sending anti-Donald Trump text messages conducted the interviews with two Hillary Clinton aides accused of giving false statements about what they knew of the former secretary of state’s private email server.

    Neither of the Clinton associates, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin, faced legal consequences for their misleading statements, which they made in interviews last year with former FBI section chief Peter Strzok.

    The starkly different outcomes from Strzok’s interviews — a felony charge against Flynn and a free pass to Mills and Abedin — are sure to raise questions from Republicans about double-standards in the FBI’s two most prominent political investigations. FBI Director Christopher Wray will likely be pressed on the Strzok scandal on Thursday when he attends an oversight hearing before the House Judiciary Committee.

    Former FBI Director James Comey defended the Clinton aides’ inconsistent statements in a House Judiciary Committee hearing held on Sept. 28, 2016.

    “Having done many investigations myself, there’s always conflicting recollections of facts, some of which are central [to the investigation], some of which are peripheral,” Comey told Jason Chaffetz, a former Utah congressman who served on the committee last year.

    Top Clinton Aides Face No Charges After Making False Statements To FBI.

  11. Zatara

    “Tonight an Ingraham Angle EXCLUSIVE. Strzok wasn’t the only member of Mueller’s team who was/is politically compromised. I reveal the identity at 10pET,” tweeted Ingraham.

    What a great troll. How many DC progs are running their shredders full speed and sledge hammering their hard drives while waiting to hear if they are next in line?

  12. struth

    Theoretically, if Lake Eyre were to be filled up permanently would that mean, on balance, there would be more precipitation throughout inland Oz?

    Do you trust the BOM to give you the correct answer?

  13. Mater #2576931, posted on December 6, 2017 at 8:34 am

    Maters Musing – 6th Dec

    Noice!

  14. OneWorldGovernment

    JC
    #2576980, posted on December 6, 2017 at 9:14 am

    Question.

    Theoretically, if Lake Eyre were to be filled up permanently would that mean, on balance, there would be more precipitation throughout inland Oz?

    only toward the South East of Lake Eyre.

  15. Government stopped the growth.
    Not lack of water.

    There was an interesting story on the ABC earlier this year, about an extended family on a pastoral lease in Central WA. Apparently just raising cattle wasn’t cutting it, so they had started growing brown onions. They were currently cropping 30 hectares a year. They had done amazingly well out of it, and wanted to expand out to 100 hectares. They had the land, the water and the machinery.

    Trouble was, they needed permission. Their lease was for cattle-raising, and to do anything else over 30 hectares required a written variation to their lease. Red tape.

    Seven years they had been battling to get this simple variation approved by the bureaucrats in Perth. They had finally gone public with their story out of desperation.

  16. struth

    Neither am I disagreeing with you OWG.

    I am just trying to make it clear to notafan and Johanna that it was others that are talking about irrigation and farming the outback.
    I was talking about supplying water to towns that may have nothing to do with agriculture as their wealth creation industries.

  17. entropy

    Theoretically, if Lake Eyre were to be filled up permanently would that mean, on balance, there would be more precipitation throughout inland Oz?

    It would need a lot more than Lake Eyre to do that. It would have to have some marginal effects though, more so at the local level.
    It would change the local ecosystem, some good, some bad. The canal would have to be pretty big.

  18. Zatara

    Question for the science types. Is the amount of H2O in/on/around Earth a fixed amount or is ‘new’ water added by some natural mechanism other than say brought into the atmosphere via asteroid?

    Another question, is it feasible/economic to artificially create H2O?

  19. johanna
    #2576920, posted on December 6, 2017 at 8:27 am
    Why on earth is the fact that someone designed and engineered the Sydney Harbour Bridge almost a century ago relevant? That is just weird.

    Because he was a man with big picture thinking and high level engineering skills to support grand theory.
    He had experience in this aspect of infrastructure, having worked as an engineer on the Cataract and Burrinjuck dams.
    His theories and plans warrant further investigation today.

  20. Mark A

    struth
    #2576985, posted on December 6, 2017 at 9:17 am

    Theoretically, if Lake Eyre were to be filled up permanently would that mean, on balance, there would be more precipitation throughout inland Oz?

    Do you trust the BOM to give you the correct answer?

    problem is the lake isn’t filled long enough at any time to observe the effect.

  21. struth

    Australian farming practices are some of the best in the world.

    It isn’t just the outback that has incredibly poor quality soils.

    Farmers all over this country deal with it as just part of the deal.
    The oldest, most eroded continent on earth.

    Look at how farmers were coping with Salt rising just outside Perth etc.

  22. johanna

    However, it appears Democrat Congressman Adam Schiff, a California turd who is a member of that committee, may have been the one who lit the fuse on this farce. For months Schiff has been mumbling about his wet dream to do this. It seems he found a receptive MSM ear to ‘leak’ it into.

    In a statement, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), said, “Special Counsel Mueller’s subpoena of Deutsche Bank would be a very significant development. If Russia laundered money through the Trump Organization, it would be far more compromising than any salacious video and could be used as leverage against Donald Trump and his associates and family.”

    Figures, Zatara.

    Schiff has been out to destroy Trump by ‘whatever it takes’ since the get-go. Just when you think that the lizard’s belly has hit the ground, there he is.

    The good news is, Americans are seeing through these blatant lies, and Roy Moore is going to win in Alabama.

  23. struth

    Remember, although I am not aware exactly how much of the NT has now been handed back, and they are loath to advertise it, but it’s easily about 3/4 of the entire NT.

    Not a lot going on there anymore.

  24. C.L.

    If you missed references to it yesterday …

    Our own Philippa Martyr has a piece in Quadrant that I regard as one of the most seminal of our time:

    Gay Marriage and Australian Catholicism.

    RTWT … and send it to your local bishop.

  25. entropy

    Struth, why would these cities come into being? What would be their purpose? What would be the advantage to locate a city there as opposed to living in Melbourne or Singapore?
    The tyranny of distance is a very large negative to any of these dreams. The unreliability of water supply, unpleasant heat etc etc are all factors weighing against development.in these areas mining and pastoral activities are the only net earners. The cost of irrigation infrastructure outweighs the potential return from irrigated Agriculture unless everyone else in the country pays for the dams and canals.
    Government can provide incentives that may or may not work a bit, as long as the incentives last, but I would suggest that just about the only way for a large population to develop there is to make it the world’s penal colony.

  26. Mark A

    Zatara
    #2576992, posted on December 6, 2017 at 9:22 am

    Question for the science types. Is the amount of H2O in/on/around Earth a fixed amount or is ‘new’ water added by some natural mechanism other than say brought into the atmosphere via asteroid?

    Wouldn’t dare considering myself as “science type” but what I read on this subject is, that it’s a continuous process deep inside the earth and may have nothing to to do water bearing asteroids..

  27. notafan

    No no struthy

    You wanted to show up my comment about the US having a far more broad demographic of large cities, made possible by its geography by claiming many of those were ‘in deserts’

    Funnily enough you couldn’t come with anything other than Las Vegas.

    When it was pointed out that Las Vegas’s massive growth was made possible by the building of the Hoover Dam, you spluttered alone with ‘but Alice’ and have kept digging a deeper hole your foolish arguments ever since. You’ll probably keep going til you’ve got a Grand Canyon.

    I never claimed Las Vegas didn’t exist before 1936, I simply pointed out that it can be a very large city running the rather unique in the US industries it does because it had a reliable water supply and proximity to a large population centre on coast.

    Good for Vegas.

    To suggest that Alice coulda woulda shoulda be the same but for big bad government is away with the fairies stuff.

    People generally speaking dont want to live in godforsaken deserts thousands of miles from anywhere nice.

    I’ve never argued against agriculture.

    Why would I?

  28. OneWorldGovernment

    If you had permanent water in Lake Eyre then you would plant trees around it.

  29. 132andBush

    It’s a myth that when Lake Eyre is full it creates rain in Eastern Australia. It’s not that big in the scale of things. Lake Eyre fills because it has rained and this means we are having a wetter period in the eastern states anyway, which generally continues for a time after the lake fills.

    Re developing inland Australia. There’s no real need.
    The MIA could easily expand to twice it’s size and already has the service towns, road and rail infrastructure in place.
    I have posted before about the government buy back of the Lower Bidgge floodplain, some of the best soil in the country, initially developed by visionary private farmers with subsequent government investment in water distribution and now a thriving free range feral pig and bathurst burr experiment.

    Piping the water is what has to happen, everywhere. The MIA should be piped from stem to stern the water savings would be enormous. One has to only look at the Wimmera-Mallee pipeline scheme which has saved over and above the best estimates and that was basically stock and domestic only.

    And before any of that happens the Greens need to be metaphorically detonated.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is the amount of H2O in/on/around Earth a fixed amount or is ‘new’ water added by some natural mechanism other than say brought into the atmosphere via asteroid?

    Goes both ways Zatara.

    A lot is added to the atmosphere via small meteorites: small comet theory.
    A lot is lost to space by ionisation and diffusion of hydrogen outwards.

  31. OneWorldGovernment

    Why do we not get rid of the top third of all Government ’employees’?

  32. Question for the science types.

    Earth loses some H2O to space continually. In a gazillion years we will be like Mars. Much quicker if CO2 levels drop below 200ppm permanently.

    No, it is not economically feasible to make H2O.

  33. notafan

    I used to work at my uncles farm during the summer holidays when I was a kid. Red loam, up near Silvan, beautiful stuff, could grow anything


    Melbourne soils

  34. Chris

    Substitude pedant, you really didn’t mean that did you?

    Irrigation is commonly referred to as “the irritation” by those in the trade.
    As in “I’m going out to check the irritation now and may be gone for some time”.

    Very dry.

  35. Zyconoclast

    ‘Sound judgment’ strips anti-wind Waubra Foundation of its low-tax status

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/sound-judgment-strips-antiwind-waubra-foundation-of-its-lowtax-status-20171205-gzz19v.html

    Hopefully they will also do the same for all other health awareness foundations and charities scams.

  36. johanna

    John Constantine
    #2576953, posted on December 6, 2017 at 8:49 am

    Saltwater dumped into inland Australia causes hyper salinity.

    Massive evaporation rates leaves salt brine behind, even walks the salt out from the salt flats.

    When lake Eyre is full naturally, it means the channel country filled first.

    The channel country is Australia’s Great Lakes analogue of America’s system.

    Just ephemeral and unsuited for transport.

    Quite so, John Constatine.

    There is absolutely a future for regional cities in Australia. Look at Toowoomba (beautiful location and climate) or boring old Dubbo in NSW.

    Both are doing very well indeed, for rational reasons. Albury/Wodonga isn’t doing too badly, last time I checked.

    But almost nobody who isn’t making a shedload of money wants to live thousands of miles from anywhere in a desert oasis.

    Get over it.

  37. struth

    Struth, why would these cities come into being? What would be their purpose? What would be the advantage to locate a city there as opposed to living in Melbourne or Singapore?

    Jobs and wealth.

    The same reason people go to work in remote areas all over the country.

    As a young man, I moved to Alice Springs because of the type of work available and the adventure.

    You seem to be coming at this as if government should decide where to place a city.
    I am saying get government out the way and see what happens.
    If, under those circumstances some towns fail and some towns prosper, so be it.
    At the moment no town is prosperous because of the dead hand of government.

    And if a town is going great and more water is required, more water will come.

    This highlights to me how some don’t get the interconnectivity and massive variance an skills and life choices out there.

    You can’t run the cattle station west of Alice from Brunswick and you can’t take people in Alice Springs to the Rock from Singapore.
    I’m sorry but I don’t understand what you are getting at.
    Do you believe government should decide the location of cities?

  38. notafan

    Fyi struthy you aren’t making anything ‘clear’ for me.

    The agricultural stuff is a seque.

    What happens in Alice stays in Alice.

  39. H B Bear

    Janet Albrechtsen, a senior columnist with The Australian, has backed-in claims that Malcolm Turnbull vetoed the renewal of her term on the board of the National Museum of Australia because she gave him critical coverage.

    Mrs Kroger should just be thankful she isn’t a cat.

    Lord Waffles pettiness and narcissism on full display again. Just as it was on election night. No Potential Greatness in this empty shell.

  40. Geriatric Mayfly

    It’s a myth that when Lake Eyre is full it creates rain in Eastern Australia. It’s not that big in the scale of things.

    Ditto the Aswan High Dam in Egypt. A vast body of water that produces no microclimate. Lake Victoria in Central Africa, the size of Tasmania, does have its own localised evaporation and rainfall system.

  41. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2577012, posted on December 6, 2017 at 9:34 am
    Earth loses some H2O to space continually. In a gazillion years we will be like Mars.

    Thanks MV, that’s a relive, I was worried you were talking about in our lifetime.

  42. Zatara

    “Water is made of two hydrogen atoms attached to an oxygen atom. This seems like pretty basic chemistry, so why don’t we just smash them together and solve the world­’s water ills? Theoretically, this is possible, but it would be an extrem­ely dangerous process, too.

    To create water, oxygen and hydrogen atoms must be present. Mixing them together doesn’t help; you’re still left with just separate hydrogen and oxygen atoms. The orbits of each atom’s electrons must become linked, and to do that we must have a sudden burst of energy to get these shy things to hook up.

    ­Since hydrogen is extremely flammable and oxygen supports combustion, it wouldn’t take much to create this force. Pretty much all we need is a spark — not even a flame — and boom! We’ve got water. The hydrogen and oxygen atoms’ electrons’ orbits have been conjoined.”

    They make the example that the explosion of the Hindenburg made a good bit of water but that might not be a sustainable idea.

    But apparently there are folks experimenting with the idea.

  43. Bruce of Newcastle

    Piping the water is what has to happen, everywhere.

    132andBush – That is verboten by Gaia. Only holy wind turbines powering desalination plants is allowed. Plus the population must wear hair shirts use water saving devices. BO is the new fragrance as showers become increasingly haram.

    I posted the saga of the Tillegra Dam last night, and Hunter Water’s new proposal of a desal plant instead. One wonders what will power it when the swampies succeed in closing Liddell.

  44. notafan

    Is the government stopping people from moving to Alice?

  45. notafan

    GM

    I thought it was trees that produced a microclimate?

    Know Arabs don’t seem to care much for them.

    Human desert makers.

  46. OneWorldGovernment

    132andBush
    #2577008, posted on December 6, 2017 at 9:31 am

    It’s a myth that when Lake Eyre is full it creates rain in Eastern Australia.

    bulldust

  47. lotocoti

    The canal would have to be pretty big.

    Welcome to Australia, SIEV passenger.
    Here’s a shovel.
    That ditch is Boss Entropy’s ditch.
    And I told him that dirt in it’s your dirt.
    What’s your dirt doin’ in his ditch?

  48. Top Ender

    This is a bit gentle. Dastyari should have his head stuck on a pike in the middle of the reflection lake outside Parliament House, as should all traitors.

    But it’s a start.

    Sam Dastyari must realise his time is up: he should quit

    The time has come for Sam Dastyari to follow the lead of NSW ALP general secretaries who blazed a trail to the Senate but knew when it was time to fall on their swords.

    It’s not because Dastyari has been further exposed — what he has done is already enough to warrant a resignation. It’s because he is now damaging the ALP and its chances of being elected. No single MP should come before the party. All his predecessors have known when to walk away for their own good and for the good of the party.

    Malcolm Turnbull and the ­Coalition are in a perilous place, but the disclosures about Dastyari’s warnings to Chinese political donor Huang Xiangmo about potential Australian intelligence surveillance and advice on how to avoid it are providing political traction.

    The Prime Minister is able to spread the blame for stupid and dangerous behaviour to Bill Shorten and the opposition at large. Using parliament to accuse Dastyari of betraying Australia, he declares: “This is a test of the character of the Leader of the Opposition. Does he stand for Australia? Does he stand up for our national security? Well, if he does, then he knows Dastyari has to go.”

    Dastyari flavours every ­Coalition utterance and attracts blame for every ill it can think of. He is giving Turnbull desperately needed momentum that will see him survive to Christmas with the opportunity to rebuild next year.

    It is ironic that Dastyari’s best work in the Senate was on trying to get justice for victims of financial rip-offs. As the Coalition folds and calls a royal commission into financial institutions, he cannot speak because of Chinese money he took to pay a debt.

    This is the problem for Dastyari: the Labor leader says he can’t see a revival for a long time; he can’t speak about his chosen area; and every day of parliament brings new condemnation.

    The former NSW ALP general secretary needs to look at those who went before — Graham Richardson, Stephen Loosley and Mark Arbib. All faced their own pressures and carried their own baggage from their days in NSW HQ, but all put the party first when the time came. And were able to build post-political careers.

    Richardson knew he had to resign from the ministry in 1992 and later knew it was time to go despite having helped wrangle election victories. Loosley also knew when the time was right, and even Arbib knew when to go, trying to draw some of the factional poison with him and describing his departure as an attempt to “heal” Labor rifts.

    Dastyari needs to follow them and be gone before parliament ­resumes next year.

    The Australian
    December 6, 2017

    DENNIS SHANAHAN
    Political EditorCanberra

    Comments open

  49. Tel

    And before any of that happens the Greens need to be metaphorically detonated.

    But fresh water is good for trees as well though. We could allocate a certain percentage towards various types of plantation forest… useful for all kinds of things including as a sustainable source of lumber and for recreation, etc. The forest themselves then deliver additional beneficial micro-climate.

    Out current “environmental flow” moron scheme is taking fresh water and dumping it into the ocean… hug a tree by all means, but what they are doing now does not help the trees. What we really need is to expose the current “Green” party as being an anti-humanity party that does NOT speak for the environment and in fact generally are doing a very poor job as environmental custodians. Replace them with people who actually know something about trees, just for starters.

  50. struth

    Notafan, sometimes I rib you about being a female.

    Here you show us quite conclusively that women are the receivers of the benefits of men’s vision for their culture and country, and men’s inventiveness.
    It seems it would only blow your mind to try to understand the ambition and drive in free men’s hearts.

    WTF would anyone want to live in the shithole you are in?

    Yet I accept that you do.
    However, you insulated knobs question why anyone wants to live anywhere else, and dismiss it as a silly idea.
    Without people living in areas you turn your nose up at, you couldn’t live where you are.
    A little bit of good soil around the outskirts of around five million non food producing mouths to feed in your city and you bring this up?
    Are you serious, or just out to antagonise for the sake of it, as per usual?

  51. Is the government stopping people from moving to Alice?

    In a way, yes. By turning a blind eye to Aboriginal lawlessness for years, they have caused the place to degenerate until it is no longer fit for productive people to live there.

  52. struth

    Is the government stopping people from moving to Alice?

    Very much so.

  53. struth

    Is the government stopping people from moving to Alice?

    Not only that, but they are forcing the productive out.

  54. 132andBush

    Exactly Bruce, hence the “detonate the greens”. They are a malignancy of thought and actions.

  55. johanna

    Meh, I wouldn’t mind if a pipeline was run from the sea to Lake Eyre, costing billions. Compared to Gonski or the NDIS, for example, it’s a nothingburger. Why not?

    That said, I’m having trouble understanding where all that extra salt would go. I suppose that it is my city ignorance.

    I suppose that the bloke who designed the Sydney Harbour Bridge would know the answer, him being an expert on decentralisation and all.

  56. Mike of Marion

    Christine Keeler dead at 75

  57. 132andBush

    Out current “environmental flow” moron scheme is taking fresh water and dumping it into the ocean… hug a tree by all means, but what they are doing now does not help the trees. What we really need is to expose the current “Green” party as being an anti-humanity party that does NOT speak for the environment and in fact generally are doing a very poor job as environmental custodians.

    All, sadly, true.

  58. Zyconoclast

    Melbourne swampies have more pluck!

    Can swampies be related to swamp donkeys?

  59. struth

    That said, I’m having trouble understanding where all that extra salt would go. I suppose that it is my city ignorance.

    Shuck it over your right shoulder for good luck.

  60. H B Bear

    Whaddaya know Thai executive stress relief merchant Albo is the product of immaculate conception. Surely now he must be annointed to lead the Liars to victory?

    Relax. It’s the Liars. Trust us.

    h/t Blot

  61. Snoopy

    Why is the media excusing ALP candidates for making false declarations on their nomination forms? And why is Anne Aly getting a pass? She didn’t provide proof of renunciation.

  62. Zatara

    The Washington Post and the New York Times reported Saturday that a lead FBI investigator on the Mueller probe, Peter Strzok, was demoted this summer after it was discovered he’d sent anti- Trump texts to a mistress. As troubling, Mr. Mueller and the Justice Department kept this information from House investigators, despite Intelligence Committee subpoenas that would have exposed those texts. They also refused to answer questions about Mr. Strzok’s dismissal and refused to make him available for an interview.

    And yet he was kept on the investigation….

    The news about Mr. Strzok leaked only when the Justice Department concluded it couldn’t hold out any longer, and the stories were full of spin that praised Mr. Mueller for acting “swiftly” to remove the agent. Only after these stories ran did Justice agree on Saturday to make Mr. Strzok available to the House.

    Mueller’s Credibility Problem

    The latest news supports our view that Mr. Mueller is too conflicted to investigate the FBI and should step down in favor of someone more credible. The investigation would surely continue, though perhaps with someone who doesn’t think his job includes protecting the FBI and Mr. Comey from answering questions about their role in the 2016 election.

    Strongly recommend reading the entire article. It goes a long way towards clearing the air of the BS floating around.

  63. Mater

    Exactly Bruce, hence the “detonate the greens”. They are a malignancy of thought and actions.

    Or, more appropriately:

    A cork in the arse of progress.

  64. OneWorldGovernment

    So we can ignore the last 70 years of Australian ‘Federal’ Law?

  65. OneWorldGovernment

    So all the non voted on crap scum politicians have signed us up for with the UN is illegal?

  66. Dr Faustus

    Bob Carr is another Labor creature bought and paid for by the Chinese.

    He is presently claiming credit for persuading ‘potential’ Chinese lenders to drop funding support for the Adani Carmichael coal project.

    He loyally peddles the China line:

    “Environmental concerns are a matter of the highest priority [for China’s Government],” said Mr Carr, who also heads up the Australia-China Research Institute at UTS in Sydney.

    “So they automatically respond to arguments about carbon emissions, and in addition they are astute enough to see in a flash how dubious the financial implications are.”

    The reality is that the three Chinese banks are organs of the Chinese Central Government. Apart from not giving a single fuck about “environmental concerns”, or carbon emissions, China has no strategic interest in helping an Indian billionaire into a lucrative Australian transfer pricing opportunity.

    He is correct about one thing though; having foxed Adani into a corner, Bank of China has certainly sent a clear ‘don’t touch’ signal to other Chinese lenders.

    Get ready to see Adani lose control of its interest in the Galilee coal project, the railway and the Abbott Point coal terminal to one of the many Chinese Government proxies. The Carmichael coal project is on the Chinese coal import slate and will be developed just as soon as the Chinese Government sorts out the visa/immigration/income tax issues to allow Chinese workers to be employed in Australia on Chinese terms.

    This is exactly why the Chinese government cultivates our scum politicians with small handfuls of yummy money. As John Constantine often points out, they are bought at a special discount price.

  67. OneWorldGovernment

    So I can now get rid of the entire so called ‘human rights commission’ and legislation.

  68. stackja

    Snoopy
    #2577047, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:07 am

    ALP/MSM. I am shocked!

  69. So we can ignore the last 70 years of Australian ‘Federal’ Law?

    It is only a matter of time before someone with deep pockets offers as a legal defense the idea that the law they are supposed to have broken was invalid because the Parliament that passed it was illegitimate. It will probably be something to do with tax or similar, involving millions of dollars.

  70. Snoopy

    The idea that a permanent Lake Eyre would increase rainfall to the regions east and south of the lake has real legs. South Africa’s Northern Cape, the Namib and Northern Chile all lie on a similar latitude to Lake Eyre. All have large bodies of water to their west. All are veritable oases.

  71. OneWorldGovernment

    I want to smash ‘Hi Alan” fair in the face

  72. stackja

    memoryvault
    #2577057, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:21 am

    Pratts?

  73. notafan

    Getting desperate struthy

    My family pioneered agriculture in this country, turning over virgin soil here and in Van Diemen’s Land.

    Male and female, each making their unique contributions and valued by each other.

    Plenty of them still on the land.

    And you still don’t understand the simple point that Melbourne expanded over good fertile farmland. It didn’t have a population of five million in 1846.

    You on the other hand are an hysterical know nothing that backs up his arguments like a Van Badham.

    Btw l’m surrounded by trees and greenery, kookaburras rosellas bellbirds and many other beautiful birds enjoy my large European garden.

    A shithole indeed.

    If humanity wanted to live in the world’s deserts, they would, but generally speaking they seem to prefer fertile lands.

    Who’d have thunk it?

  74. thefrollickingmole

    Regarding salt/salinity and bitterns disposal.

    1: Salt can be harvested, some of the more saline sections of the great lakes in the USA have been doing this for decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJfJqQaIi-k

    2: salinity: Provided the water piped in was fresh that should gradually reduce, certain species of plants and animals thrive in moderate/high salinity, the brine shrimp for example can get numbers high enough to keep a body of water “warm” through their own metabolisms. http://www.mousepad-feet.com/2014/03/06/brine-shrimp-in-australia/

    3: On land management of bitterns is easy, a few seepage/evaporation ponds or if you are really trying, process it and make potash.

    Nearly all of the above supposes cheap abundant power to transport and process, so is a sin against Gaia and will never happen.

    (I work in salt)

  75. Get ready to see Adani lose control of its interest in the Galilee coal project . . .

    Or simply walk away from it.
    It was started at a time of high coal prices and uncertain supply.
    Things have changed.

  76. OneWorldGovernment

    stackja
    #2577060, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:23 am

    memoryvault
    #2577057, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:21 am

    Pratts?

    I will be pratts like me

  77. Leo G

    The Washington Post and the New York Times reported Saturday that a lead FBI investigator on the Mueller probe, Peter Strzok, was demoted this summer after it was discovered he’d sent anti- Trump texts to a mistress

    A Fox News report widens the view:

    Thus, it appears that one man with a strident political agenda accomplished his twin goals of clearing Clinton and accusing Trump, evidence be damned.
    And then he was caught …
    This was covered up …
    The House Intelligence Committee could smell it and knew something was amiss. It demanded answers. But the Justice Department and the FBI refused to respond or otherwise produce relevant documents that the committee subpoenaed. They are still stonewalling…

  78. Mother Lode

    I see PvO is arguing that, if only the right of the party would leave poor Mal alone, he would be able to make himself competitive for 2018.

    What a lazy journalist.

  79. stackja

    memoryvault
    #2577068, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:33 am
    Pratts?

    ??

    Visy?

  80. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2577061, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:27 am

    If humanity wanted to live in the world’s deserts, they would, but generally speaking they seem to prefer fertile lands.

    Who’d have thunk it?

    notafan

    that is why I argue and have done for 40+ years that we should bulldoze our Australian East Board cities into the sea because on the main they occupy our most fertile lands.

  81. stackja

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2577073, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:35 am

    Yes!

  82. JC

    The House Intelligence Committee could smell it and knew something was amiss. It demanded answers. But the Justice Department and the FBI refused to respond or otherwise produce relevant documents that the committee subpoenaed. They are still stonewalling…

    HEre’s my problem.

    Trump is the head of the executive. He can ask for anything to be presented on his desk within the hour. Why doesn’t he just ask for the docs and send them over to Congress.

    What’s the problem?

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    I work in salt

    Ironically one of the biggest problems with the proposed Dead Sea canal/pipeline project is the ocean has the wrong sort of salt. Dead Sea water has lots of bromine and other goodies.

  84. cynical1

    And another thing.

    Verdicts please.

    A roofing labourer sustains a back injury.

    Claims employer negligence and first port of call is Blackburn and co.

    Yes.

    As in fucking Maurice.

    Has previous form.

    100k payout in 2009 after mangling a finger in a drop saw.

    The injury was then infected as a result of hospital negligence.

    Of course, never mentioned he had been fishing and swimming with said
    mangled finger while it was in cast.

    Now claims will never be able to work again.

    Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury?

  85. stackja

    JC
    #2577075, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:36 am

    All the docs have fallen in the shredder.

  86. Snoopy

    If the declaration on a federal election nomination form was a statutory declaration these bastards could be facing jail time.

  87. OneWorldGovernment

    memoryvault
    #2577068, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:33 am

    Pratts?

    ??

    Did some Pratt work once.

    Only about 3 months.

    Got rid of a viscous sexist hateful woman.

  88. Fisky

    Leading Manus Island country shopper, Behrouz Boochani, writes for the Guardian –

    Only a meta-historical and transhistorical approach can unpack the peculiarities associated with the issue of Manus and Nauru. Only a rigorous analysis of a colonial presence in Australia and its tactics in the region can disclose the reality of violence in these island prisons.

    This issue must be understood as the annihilation of human beings, the incarceration of human beings within the history of modern Australia; it is a long history, a comprehensive history, it is intertwined with its colonial history.

    This form of affliction, inflicted on people in similarly vulnerable situations, has always existed in the history of modern Australia. Pain and suffering systematically inflicted on defenceless and vulnerable bodies.

    So why the fuck do you want to come to Australia, then, you fucking moron?

  89. zyconoclast

    Terror attack on Manchester Arena could have been stopped, review finds

    In March, Khalid Masood, 52, drove a 4WD into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge then fatally stabbed a police officer guarding parliament, leaving 6 dead including the attacker.

    In May, 22-year-old British-born Salman Abedi set off a home-made bomb in the foyer of an Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena, killing 22 people as well as himself.

    In early June, three men led by 27-year-old Khuram Butt drove a van into pedestrians on London Bridge, killing two people, then ran through Borough Market killing six more people before armed police shot them down. 45 people required hospital treatment.

    Later in June, 47-year-old Darren Osborne drove a van into a crowd of worshippers outside the Finsbury Park mosque. One man died, and Osborne has been charged with murder.

  90. stackja
    #2577071, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:34 am

    Visy?

    Yeah – something like the Visy case.

  91. Fisky

    Every time I read anything by these ungrateful fucking reprobates, I wish we had sunk their fucking boat rather than just turn them around to Manus. Who in their right mind wants to bring these fucking whingers to Australia??? Other than weirdo open borders autists that is.

  92. John Constantine

    The wimmera mallee pipeline scheme is a looming financial disaster for poor bastard ratepayers.

    The water authority makes local councils look penny pinching in comparison. Cost double what it could have to lay the pipes through sheer glorious use of money as the way to drown all problems. Then tax capital to get it back.

    Empire building,gold plating, consultants enriching Stalinist’s, taxing the capital of Tories to build crushing power for the State.

    Bulldoze shut the natural inlets to recreational lakes, then bill the community to pipe water in.

    Comrades.

    Think of the ABC with the right to tax you and cut your water off.

  93. Bruce of Newcastle

    Trump is the head of the executive. He can ask for anything to be presented on his desk within the hour. Why doesn’t he just ask for the docs and send them over to Congress.

    Because the Swamp doesn’t obey his order. They just ignore it.
    What’s he going to do about that JC?
    He can’t even fire Mueller as RINOs like Graham have warned him against it. Ditto Sessions.

  94. Boambee John

    The wife previously told the court she required at least $278,000 a week in spousal maintenance, in part to cover the cost of caring for their son.

    The NDIS should be able to cover this once it gets up to speed?

    We are so screwed!

  95. notafan

    Owg

    Excellent.

    And where do you propose we all move to?

    Incidentally the west of Melbourne is low rainfall basalt plain, would make a lot more sense to put a lot more people there than sacrifice any more agricultural land in east for housing.

    I’d prefer a simple cut in immigration.

  96. If the declaration on a federal election nomination form was a statutory declaration these bastards could be facing jail time.

    If they hadn’t neutered S46 of the Constitution they would all be facing perpetual bankruptcy now.

  97. OneWorldGovernment

    JC

    Unless your a magic black man like Obama the actual function of POTUS cannot do what Obama did.

    Trump is more constitutional than the Kenyan/Indonesian ever was.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Calli the protesters were over the road then there was some parkla d and beyond that a herd of protesters waving red flag looking for a bull. I gave them my best merry wave as we walked past and a big gay smile which they were too far away to see. Like Milo I do so love an audience. I hope I enraged them because they set up chanting again then. The police were friendly to us all and the protesters thoroughly controlled.

  99. Gab

    Former Ch 9 reporter Ben McCormack gets a fine and good behaviour bond for child pornography charges.
    That’s what “justice” looks like in this country.

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    On the run on my smart pbo e.

  101. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2577089, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:45 am

    Owg

    Excellent.

    And where do you propose we all move to?

    Incidentally the west of Melbourne is low rainfall basalt plain, would make a lot more sense to put a lot more people there than sacrifice any more agricultural land in east for housing.

    I’d prefer a simple cut in immigration.

    notafan

    I also would prefer a simple cut in immigration.

    Across the board.

  102. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lots of commie flags. Plural.

  103. OneWorldGovernment

    Gab
    #2577093, posted on December 6, 2017 at 10:49 am

    Former Ch 9 reporter Ben McCormack gets a fine and good behaviour bond for child pornography charges.

    Must be okay then.

  104. zyconoclast

    Christine Keeler dead at 75

    I don’t know who she was but she was a good sort.

    #1
    #2

  105. struth

    My family pioneered agriculture in this country, turning over virgin soil here and in Van Diemen’s Land.

    White aboriginal type nonsense.

    Plenty of them still on the land.

    Not enough to be supplying Melbourne by themselves, so totally irrelevant to the arguments at hand.

    And you still don’t understand the simple point that Melbourne expanded over good fertile farmland. It didn’t have a population of five million in 1846.

    No but they’d be looking elsewhere for water once the population grew, and bugger me dead, they solved that problem……………………who’da thunkut?

    Thank god people living in areas all around the world that you turn your nose up at and believe to be not worth the effort (even if no taxes are involved!) can supply you all with everything you see around you that wasn’t naturally there, everything you wear, eat and drink and shelter under.
    Because a few acres around Melbourne …………………………..am I really having to explain this?

    You on the other hand are an hysterical know nothing that backs up his arguments like a Van Badham.

    Childish emotion female?

    Btw l’m surrounded by trees and greenery, kookaburras rosellas bellbirds and many other beautiful birds enjoy my large European garden.

    As I said, in many people’s eyes, a shithole.

    And Notafan, I am not from the city but I reckon people would have different tastes in coffees too!
    One man’s paradise is another man’s shithole………you can quote me on that.

    If humanity wanted to live in the world’s deserts, they would, but generally speaking they seem to prefer fertile lands.

    Ask someone from the fertile lands of Venezuela whether they would rather live in Las Vegas right now.
    Economic opportunity has brought people to the most remote areas of the world, and everywhere in the world was once remote.

    You sound like you’ve just had it a tad too easy in your life Notafan, a little too well off to see what others will do to get ahead.
    I’ve got to go and have a life.

    Tata

  106. C.L.

    Trump is the head of the executive. He can ask for anything to be presented on his desk within the hour. Why doesn’t he just ask for the docs and send them over to Congress.

    What’s the problem?

    Do them slowly.
    More to the point, let them do themselves.
    The public are now on to the FBI – they know this is a sour grapes coup attempt.

  107. Joe

    Because the Swamp doesn’t obey his order. They just ignore it.
    What’s he going to do about that JC?

    Make the order PUBLIC, so that everyone can see what is required. Upon refusal, failure or incompetence, pick up the phone, call the Marine barracks at Quantico and get a platoon the arrest the official under whatever act you can find to justify the arrest. There are plenty of laws available to get at these people.

    However, I think both the President and the current Congress are attempting to gauge the depth of the rot, and to ensure that there is plenty of evidence available for when they do act.

    Please note that every single time the special prosecutor attempts to corner the President or his associates another set of democrats are implicated in criminal activity.

    So far out of all the sturm and drang from the investigation, it’s the democrats who have suffered.

  108. struth

    I think Trump is trying to remain somewhat above it.

    He makes comments on the process but is trying to distance himself so that when the time comes it is seen as justice not political retaliation.

    Time out.

  109. C.L.

    GOP lawmaker Chris Stewart has called for Robert Mueller to be arrested.

  110. Joe

    He makes comments on the process but is trying to distance himself so that when the time comes it is seen as justice not political retaliation.

    It will never be seen as justice by the left. However, there is still much to be said for following the procedures to protect innocent as codified in the law. The law needs to be applied, equally to all and be seen to be applied equally to all. There just needs to be much less of it.

  111. notafan

    Now just getting weird.

    You speak for all men but I can’t say something abouty family being more than useless (apparently) city slickers.

    Human beings, generally speaking, make rational choices.

    My children would find your comments about my ‘easy life’ most amusing.

    Just reinforcing your lazy habit of speaking from a position of ignorance.

    As for Venezuelas and Vegas, wow, what a zinger.

    You sure got me with that one.

  112. Myrddin Seren

    Motelier

    It appears that that AirBnB is closing accounts of people deemed to be conservative.

    By some amazing coincidence, a number of European banks have all decided they want no part of the banking business of Marine Le Pen or the FN.

    In regards to AB&B and others, I suspect in part the trap is when some companies ask you to Log-In with a social media account like Spacechook.

    Don’t. And try not to use the same log-in and email you use for your social media accounts.

    While it may be against anti-discrimination law in some jurisdictions, for now, to refuse service on the basis of political views, the Le Pen experience shows that those prohibitions will be wound back.

    Any active “Say No” Cats here think they would not be getting dumped off Qantas and having their Big Four bank accounts closed if they could see your social media AND get away with refusing service legally ?

  113. Boambee John

    Via Instapundit

    Clinton Aides Went Unpunished After Making False Statements To Anti-Trump FBI Supervisor.

    So a couple of Shrillary’s assistants (Huma Abadein being one) lied to the FBI about the email server, but were not charged. Flynn lied to the same FBI agent, since sacked for his anti-Trump communications, and was charged.

    Good to see the FBI maintaining a record of impartiality!

  114. Empire GTHO Phase III

    They’re coming for your crypto..

    The bill will change the definition of “financial institution” in Section 53412 (a) of Title 31 , United States Code. The text will read:
    “An exhibitor, a redeemer or a cashier of prepaid access devices, digital currency or a digital exchanger or a digital currency.”
    The regulation will remove the anonymity of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies defeating this idea that there is an alternative-financial-universe separate from government.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/cryptocurrency/bitcoin-being-declared-a-financial-institution-beware/

  115. stackja

    Their ABC:

    Donald Trump: Jerusalem announcement would damage the drive for peace in the Middle East
    By Anne Barker

  116. H B Bear

    Is Fauxfacts outsourcing it’s j’ism production to Manus country shoppers? Must be another round of redundancies coming up. Where is the MEAA? Still hung over after the union merit awards?

  117. johanna

    But fresh water is good for trees as well though. We could allocate a certain percentage …

    It never takes long for them to come out of the woodwork, does it?

    Who is this ‘we’ pray tell, Tel?

  118. Mother Lode

    Interesting scanning headlines at Drudge.

    There is the old ‘Impeach Trump’ stuff oozing out of Democrat orifices.

    Now, in Alabama, they are suppurating ‘Jail the Judge’.

    It seems their new tactic is to condemn their opponents as criminals before actually proving a case.

    Interestingly Alan Dershowitz has an article saying that Feinstein’s declaration that Trump should be impeached for doing things within his power as set out in the constitution.

    Dershowitz is, I believe, a registered Democrat but he seems to be very objective and not shied away from critiquing other, high profile Democrats. Seems like a guy worth listening to.

  119. Farmer Gez

    Albo’s known/unknown errant Italian dad raises dilemmas.
    What about future MPs who resulted from a sperm, egg or embryo donation?
    What about DNA tests showing your pappy ain’t your pappy?
    Those born to a stray root after a big night out?
    Section 44 will make trouble for the future if not fixed. Lawyers will argue against this but like crack addicts, they can’t be trusted.

  120. Snoopy

    I’m sure that will be reassuring to a person trapped under a beam in a house fire.

    I was gutted to learn Albo wasn’t of Maltese descent. The Maltese Pigeon moniker was so apt.

  121. old bloke

    entropy
    #2576919, posted on December 6, 2017 at 8:27 am

    don’t forget the water would be very slaty.
    But from Port augusta to lake Torrens and then to Lake Eyre would be the cheapest ay to get water to central Australia compared with other options.

    A channel from Port Augusta to Lake Eyre should avoid Lake Torrens as it is 30 metres above sea level. Tidal action over time would clear out most of the salt from Lake Eyre, and the occasional floods which fill Lake Eyre will wash out any remaining salt deposits. It will become somewhat similar to Lake Alexandrina, either brackish or fresh water depending on the floods upstream.

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2576923, posted on December 6, 2017 at 8:30 am

    When we fill it up I bags the name “Lake Eyre Casino” and Lake Eyre Golf Course”

    Won’t happen. As soon as the lake fills and it starts attracting people, it will be renamed as Ayres Rock became Uluru. It will be officially renamed Lake Oompawoompa after a former indigenous chieftain named Oompawoompa who used to go water skiing on the lake before white man’s cattle drank the lake dry.

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