Monday Forum: December 4, 2017

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  1. Blimey, a shiny new fred, and me looking like second on the page for once. Mind you by the time I’ve typed all this excitement and rubbish, I’ll be about tenth or sumpfink. 😉

  2. 2nd pode for me in a week. Winning is habit forming.

  3. H B Bear

    Putting the band back together.

  4. The Moribund Barking Toad

    top ten

  5. I see the malodorous one has come up smelling like roses (slightly and briefly) by standing next to a National Party bloke who won a big majority in a by election over the weekend. His joy was plain to see. Maybe he finally realises what very deep pit of ordure he’s immersed himself in.

  6. Leigh Lowe

    WTF?
    Following on from the discussion of market reaction to Trump666 Tax Cuts on the old fred.
    ASX up slightly, but two stocks with yuuuuuge US exposure (Cochlear and CSL) taking a bath.
    Please essplain?

  7. Makka

    Please essplain?

    Already baked in?

  8. Rae

    Special arrangements by the AEC to do the 2nd count and finalize the return of the Prodigal Barnaby? It’s being reported that the Speaker and the Clerks are this morning awaiting the declaration of the poll and return of the writs from New England. If so, that’s about 2 weeks ahead of the normal arrangements. Desperate much to avoid defeat in a motion of no confidence?

  9. Leigh Lowe

    Makka

    #2574776, posted on December 4, 2017 at 10:43 am

    Please essplain?

    Already baked in?

    Hmmm.
    (1) MSM was reporting until Friday that tax cuts would fail in the Senate;
    (2) If already baked in, stocks with US subsidiaries should be flat, not falling;
    (3) … um … and it is annoying me.

  10. Zyconoclast

    No one left behind!

    You. Can’t. Be. Serious. !!!
    Candida Albicans Beer???
    Eeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk.

    http://orderyoni.com

  11. Mater

    Just wondering if anyone is going to Milo in Melbourne tonight? If so, have you received notification of the venue yet?

  12. Zatara

    JC

    I’d be careful with AAL. They have burned me before and I should have known better as I used to work for them.

    Southwest (SWA) on the other hand is finishing off some crap fuel hedging bets which have been holding them back the last two years. Their hedges for next year look great.

    I’m nine months pregnant with Bank of America and XLF. I reckon Bofa could near 42 bucks next year. Buy banks wear diamonds.

    I rolled the dice and bought a big chunk of BAC the day before Trump was elected. I’ve been quietly gloating smiling about it ever since.

  13. Rae

    Why is Mrs Uhlmann sitting at the table gazing adoringly up at Shorton?

  14. Zatara

    Quote failure:

    I’m nine months pregnant with Bank of America and XLF. I reckon Bofa could near 42 bucks next year. Buy banks wear diamonds.

  15. struth

    Just wondering if anyone is going to Milo in Melbourne tonight? If so, have you received notification of the venue yet?

    Seriously?

  16. Exit Stage Right

    No winners or losers anymore as to not dent self esteem, kids don’t get out playing cricket, everyone gets a participation medal, SO I declare that I am equal first.
    Sorry Gab, I noticed you were on the same track after I declared myself equal first!

  17. Biota

    I now identify as First which trumps Gab’s declaration

  18. cynical1

    Another Flannery drought SEQ style.

    Pissing down.

    Desal plant at Tugun not needed today.

  19. notafan

    Van Badham ✊🏻 🌈‏Verified account
    @vanbadham
    Dec 2
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    Well, kids – America is no longer merely politically over, but economically finished. The Republicans have just voted to bankrupt the Treasury. Homegrown capitalists have managed to wreak a destruction unaccomplished by both the Axis powers & Soviet Union.

    Wilful criminal ignorance and gross stupidity rolled into one. Homegrown, lol.

  20. Mater

    Seriously?

    The promised email hasn’t arrived…yet.

  21. notafan

    Took her 30 seconds to block me

    what a loser

  22. Makka

    On whose credit card?

    An Australian Army captain has reportedly suggested prostitutes should be sent to the front line to help relieve combat soldiers of stress.

    The Daily Telegraph reported Captain Sally Williamson wrote “improved intimacy and sexual interaction can help combat veterans with PTSD recovery” in a blog article.

    The article dubbed “Sex And War – A Conversation Army Had To Have”, was reportedly posted earlier this month on the Army’s official Land Power Forum blog but removed several days later.

    Capt Williamson wrote that it would be practical for soldiers to “have sexual relations in a safe, secure and controlled environment”, The Daily Telegraph said.

    “The Army could contract Australian male and female sex workers to service troops in forward operating bases and air bases,” she wrote.

  23. ust wondering if anyone is going to Milo in Melbourne tonight? If so, have you received notification of the venue yet?

    Seriously?

    Why would someone be asking about that? If you’re going, you already know, or will be informed of, the venue. If you’d prefer to know just to disrupt the proceedings, well, go somewhere else to find out. (Apologies to Mater if I’ve read you wrong.)

  24. notafan

    JC are you blocked by Van Badham?

    If not can you please go comment about her stupid trump stalin hilter and see how fast she blocks you

  25. cynical1

    And No, Tim.

    It’s not fucking evaporating.

  26. Zatara

    The Daily Telegraph reported Captain Sally Williamson wrote “improved intimacy and sexual interaction can help combat veterans with PTSD recovery” in a blog article.

    Next up: “ADF Prostitutes File For PTSD Benefits”

  27. C.L.

    Van Badham ✊🏻 🌈‏Verified account
    @vanbadham
    Dec 2
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    Well, kids – America is no longer merely politically over, but economically finished. The Republicans have just voted to bankrupt the Treasury. Homegrown capitalists have managed to wreak a destruction unaccomplished by both the Axis powers & Soviet Union.

    Only one word will do: hysterical.

  28. notafan

    The poll! the poll!

    “I’m going to let the people of Alabama make the call,” McConnell said on ABC’s This Week.

    Republican Senate Leader Changes Tune on Roy Moore, Says Alabama Must Decide

  29. notafan

    Regarding Milo in Melbourne

    Van Badham was encouraging people to attend some sort of venue protest with the usual fascist nazi rhetoric

    What a shallow nasty antifa encouraging cow she is

  30. notafan

    Oh no!

    He is raining again

    A lot

    #Melbournedrowns

  31. C.L.

    Wow.

    Labor leader Bill Shorten visited Huang Xiangmo at his Sydney mansion to secure political donations several months after Labor officials were warned the controversial business figure was of interest to ASIO over links to the Chinese government.

    Fairfax Media can reveal Mr Shorten – along with his family – travelled to the tycoon’s home in Mosman in March 2016, seeking help to fund Labor campaign ads for the widely expected double dissolution election in July.

    If Huang is regarded by ASIO as an enemy of the country, why does he own a Sydney mansion?
    Why hasn’t he been expelled?

  32. mh

    Andrew Bolt and Peta Credlin must both be pretty dumb to place any faith in a post turtle like George Christensen.

    True. Bolt ran with that garbage for days, and all along it was George Christensen. And people here still take Bolt seriously?!!!!

  33. Fairfax Media can reveal Mr Shorten – along with his family – travelled to the tycoon’s home in Mosman in March 2016, seeking help to fund Labor campaign ads …

    And Willy would have us believe wun hung lo did not want anything in return, nothing at all, hung was just a kind generous man.

  34. max

    Yes, mater, going to the later session. No venue as yet.

  35. Driftforge

    If Huang is regarded by ASIO as an enemy of the country, why does he own a Sydney mansion?
    Why hasn’t he been expelled?

    Much easier to see who visits…

  36. H B Bear

    PeanutHead has a long history of crawling around billionaires mansions.

  37. Slim Cognito

    I now identify as First which trumps Gab’s declaration

    I actually AM first which trumps both of you.

  38. Fairfax Media can reveal Mr Shorten – along with his family – travelled to the tycoon’s home …

    Ow much for the leetle girl?

  39. Gab

    I am First among equal firsts!!

    😛

  40. Joe

    Leigh, there is no explaining the market. It’s in the nature of markets, buyers buy for their own reasons and sellers similarly sell for theirs. The only thing you can trust in the market is the price and the only thing you can say about that is that the price will go up and down. Which leads to buy low, sell high – about the only good advice for participating in the market.

  41. Tom

    Putting the band back together.

    Quite so, Humphrey.

    Michael Christian and Mick McGuane were sacked from their brekky show on the racing station RSN a year ago.

    They both turned up this morning filling in over summer on Melbournibad sports radio SEN for Kevin Bartlett — an excellent decision. A summer free of the second-rate dross we’re usually lumbered with when everyone’s on holiday.

  42. Leigh Lowe

    Van Badham ‏Verified account
    @vanbadham
    Dec 2
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    Well, kids – America is no longer merely politically over, but economically finished. The Republicans have just voted to bankrupt the Treasury. Homegrown capitalists have managed to wreak a destruction unaccomplished by both the Axis powers & Soviet Union.

    A missive from the planet KrazeeBitch.
    I love it how lefties wave through $1 bn to not build a road, or overspends on NDIS so lazy fat fucks can sit on the couch and drink bong water all day while someone does their shopping and cleaning, or NBN blowouts because “faster downloads are an essential service”.
    But when it comes to business tax cuts or a plebiscite, they develop an intense interest in fiscal responsibility. Of course, their “cost to treasury” of tax cuts NEVER factors in the growth dividend from lower taxes.
    Rational Person : “What do you think business will spend their tax cuts on? Will they (a) employ more people?; (b) save it?; (c ) spend it on fancy restaurants, yachts, private jets and fast cars? (d) all of the above?”
    Lefty : “Well, der. They will spend it on fancy restaurants, yachts, private jets and fast cars, of course. That’s what 0ne-percenters do.”
    Rational Person : “OK. Assume they do. What effect will that have on people who work in the fancy restaurants, yachts, private jets and fast cars sectors?”
    Lefty : “Huh?”
    Rational Person : “Won’t their be more employment in those sectors, creating wealth and a broader tax base?”
    Lefty : “Huh?”

  43. struth

    It’s only the first days of summer.

    In the sane ye olde yesteryear, we called these late spring rains.

  44. H B Bear

    Why would people pay anything to read Van Badham’s ravings?

    Oh that’s right, they don’t.

  45. Mater

    Thanks max,
    See you there! 😉

  46. feelthebern

    Tim Wilson using tax payer funded parliamentary sitting time well.

  47. notafan

    I’ll have to really on getting my Van Badham treats from others in the future

    So sad she blocked me

    I think it will ruin my Christmas

  48. JC

    Here Fan. Nothing too out over the top for thunder thighs to get upset over and block me.

    JC‏

    @vanbadham You’re making predictions on the US economy, Van, you crazy old Lardball? Advice: Join Jenny Craig and forget about the US economy. #crazyvanbadham
    4:42 PM – 3 Dec 2017
    0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes

  49. Myrddin Seren

    End of Days Harbinger

    I actually agree with Peter Fitzsimmons on something !!

    Stop NSW Government WASTING $2B Rebuilding SFS & Olympic Stadiums

    When I am on the same page as Bandanna Man about the venal Michael Photios Party and have spent the morning wishing very dark things on NSW Liberal ‘Royalty’ the Baird Clan after the absolute Statist, eco-loon container recycling scheme Magic Mike foisted on us*, we truly must be approaching the Event Horizon.

    * NOT an endorsement of whining Luke Foley.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Joe

    #2574827, posted on December 4, 2017 at 11:35 am

    Leigh, there is no explaining the market. It’s in the nature of markets, buyers buy for their own reasons and sellers similarly sell for theirs. The only thing you can trust in the market is the price and the only thing you can say about that is that the price will go up and down.

    Markets are not entirely driven by rationality, Joe.
    A lot of brokers live off churn. They is no commission in “Hold” recommendations.
    I watch this every results season … a company comes out with a solid profit and cash result (even slightly better than forecast), with nothing untoward in the outlook and they get smashed. A week later the price recovers and is higher than pre-announcement.
    Some brokers love to suck in their clients with “counter-intuitive” arguments and create the feeling that the client is smarter than the pack if they sell despite the good news because they have the greater insights than the Average Joe to see the downside. By the time a few of them realise they’ve been duped the broker has a whole suite of bullshit reasons as to why the price recovered.

  51. Diesal

    Just wondering if anyone is going to Milo in Melbourne tonight? If so, have you received notification of the venue yet?
    Not had any notification yet? but the socialists are claiming they will be meeting at fed square at 1730

  52. struth

    Van Waffen Legham is proof that not only are opinions like arseholes, everyone has one, but every arsehole seems to have an opinion.

    I never thought misandry was economic enlightenment.

  53. JC

    Leigh, there is no explaining the market. It’s in the nature of markets, buyers buy for their own reasons and sellers similarly sell for theirs. The only thing you can trust in the market is the price and the only thing you can say about that is that the price will go up and down. Which leads to buy low, sell high – about the only good advice for participating in the market.

    Not true. markets are excellent weather veins for policy direction etc. The market has spoken twice on the positive effect of the corp tax cuts. Its spoke when it looked like the cuts were in trouble and it spoke this morning with the announcement of the senate vote after the close.

    Just because you don;t understand markets doesn’t mean what you say is correct.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Rafe

    #2574781, posted on December 4, 2017 at 10:47 am

    Fine day in Burnie.

    Sad.

  55. Leigh Lowe

    Jesus.
    Me at 11:38 and 11:46.
    I am going back to “they”; “there” and “their” remedial class.

  56. thefrollickingmole

    Im liking parts of this timeline…
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/03/donald-trump-pulls-us-out-of-un-global-compact-on-migration

    In a statement issued on Saturday, Haley said: “America is proud of our immigrant heritage and our longstanding moral leadership in providing support to migrant and refugee populations across the globe … But our decisions on immigration policies must always be made by Americans and Americans alone.”

    She said: “We will decide how best to control our borders and who will be allowed to enter our country. The global approach in the New York declaration is simply not compatible with US sovereignty.”

    The move, which is likely to put US-UN relations back in the deep freeze, came following pressure largely from the White House, as opposed to Haley herself.

    The US has already pulled out of the UN climate change treaty and Unesco, the cultural heritage body, accusing the latter’s leadership of an anti-Israeli bias.

  57. Joe

    Hi Leigh, the post results smash is due to pricing in the dividend. Typically stocks fall in price the percentage amount that the dividend equates to. This is dividend harvesters getting out of the stock after harvesting the dividend. The price recovers because it make a good buy (buy low, sell high). Dividend harvesters will buy back into the stock at some point so that they can harvest the next dividend.

    This is not a hard and fast rule. Sometimes, this pattern does not occur, and this is why you cannot predict markets.

  58. Mater

    but the socialists are claiming they will be meeting at fed square at 1730

    Such an intellectual vacuum should bring the promised weather in.

  59. thefrollickingmole

    Oh and who could have seen this coming?
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/03/sas-may-make-entry-tests-easier-for-women-report
    How long before our pink underwear generals do the same??

    The SAS is reportedly considering changes to its notoriously difficult entry tests to ensure women have a fair chance of making the grade.

    All applicants to the special forces must complete an initial fitness test before they are considered further. The tasks, which involve various long marches over mountainous terrain while carrying heavy rucksacks, are understood to be prohibitive to women and inessential to selecting candidates with the attributes required to succeed in the SAS.

    I cant wait till they put wheelchair access on the hills they trek up and down.

  60. Top Ender

    Meanwhile in Victoria-stan:

    The Australian: TESSA AKERMAN

    Immigrants need to be better educated about Australia’s criminal laws to prevent new arrivals from war-torn countries falling into crime, the chairman of a federal parliamentary committee into migrant settlement outcomes has warned.

    Federal Liberal MP Jason Wood said lessons for humanitarian migrants were very basic and more about Australian culture than Australian laws.

    “A lot of migrants have no understanding of the law,” Mr Wood said.

    “I was told by South Sudanese people that … breaking into someone’s house and stealing a car is not a big deal. Where they come from they’ve seen worse and experienced worse.”

    As well as proposing increased education, Mr Wood said warning letters should be sent by the immigration department to visa holders who have been convicted of a crime, stating further infractions would jeopardise an application for citizenship.

    Mr Wood said evidence heard by his committee showed there was an issue in Victoria with South Sudanese crime. Of aggravated burglaries committed by a youth aged 10-18, there was a one in-seven chance the offender was South Sudanese.

    He was told some offenders were “so far gone” they had no chance at rehabilitation, while his contacts in Victoria Police said South Sudanese crime rates were going up again.

    Figures obtained by The Australian from the Crime Statistics Agency show 296 people from Sudan or South Sudan were arrested last financial year.

    While the figure is fewer than the 658 New Zealand-born arrests and the 18,770 Australianborn arrests, when compared with 2016 census population data, people born in Sudan, South Sudan, Somalia and Kenya were proportionally more likely to have been arrested. Sudanese and South Sudanese people were 6.135 times more likely to have been arrested last year than offenders born in Australia or 4.8 times more likely than those born in New Zealand.

    Victorian Federation of South Sudanese Associations chairman Kenyatta Wal said Africans coming to Australia on humanitarian visas arrived with “a lot of baggage on their back”.

    He said children were put through school according to their age, not their capabilities or abilities, and disengaged as they fell behind and dropped out.

    He said sometimes parents lacked a strong or even basic education that would enable them to provide support at home for their children. While organised afterschool programs helped some children, they could be very expensive.

    “We the community are suffering from a lack of employment,” Mr Wal said.

    Australian National University research fellow Ibolya Losoncz said it was important to take into account the age and gender structure of the South Sudanese-born population in Australia.

    “It has a very young age structure with a much higher proportion of young men than in the Australian population,” she said. “There is a much higher offence and arrest rate among young men than the rest of the population. So this explains some of the difference in the arrest rates between [the] selected populations.”

    Dr Losoncz added that any analysis of arrest rates between the country-of-birth categories would be misleading without taking account the age of the people arrested .

    Victoria Police spokeswoman Danielle Fleeton said the majority of offenders arrested were Australian-born with a small percentage of Africa-born residents committing crimes.
    “For those who do, we know there are underlying issues driving these behaviours,” she said. “In some cases this can stem from a sense of disengagement.”

    Complete article from the print edition

  61. mh

    In response to undocumented immigrant Jose Ines Garcia Zarate being acquitted for his role in the highly-publicized shooting of Kate Steinle, Fox News host Laura Ingraham claimed Democrats are okay with killings like this and other crimes if it ultimately leads to a racial “demographic changes” that favor the liberal agenda.

  62. Diogenes

    When I am on the same page as Bandanna Man about the venal Michael Photios Party and have spent the morning wishing very dark things on NSW Liberal ‘Royalty’ the Baird Clan after the absolute Statist, eco-loon container recycling scheme Magic Mike foisted on us*, we truly must be approaching the Event Horizon.

    Whilst I agree that the 2 billion is wasted on building new stadia, I will not sign, as I do not agree the money should be spend on community sport facilities either. I would like to see the money put towards a network of safe ‘smoking’ rooms.

  63. H B Bear

    Graegooglery could you check JC’s tweet for us? Don’t forget to ask your sock friends too. Thanks darl.

  64. notafan

    Perfect JC

    I think you hit all the right notes just like a chicken playing Puccini

  65. Infidel Tiger

    Tim Wilson has just defiled the Australian Parliament with a shameful stunt.

    Get a real job, you mooching minstrel.

  66. Joe

    JC, I agree with you. The markets are the best mechanism for apportioning resources and can be used – after the fact – to gauge the efficacy of a policy. They just can’t be predicted. I suppose that the markets went up after a tax cut could be predicted, but by how much and should you sell or hold, will the market go up further or go down, when will it go down? All these questions need to be answered to have a successful trade, but they cannot be answered by the market except in history. You can look back at the market are relate a movement to some event.

  67. Bruce of Newcastle

    Speaking of migrants, this sounds familiar.

    In One German Region, Unemployment of Migrant Crisis Arrivals is 96 Per Cent

    Migrant unemployment continues to be a major problem with the district of Salzlandkreis seeing only 56 out of 1,530 migrants registered at the jobcentre able to find full-time work.


    Germany Offers Voluntary Repatriation Payments to Migrants That Will Go Home

    BERLIN (AP) – Germany wants to support rejected asylum-seekers who voluntarily move back to their home countries with a one-time payment of 3,000 euros ($3,570).

    Here amongst Rudd’s Afghan country shoppers 94% were on welfare after 5 years and only 9% were in employment. Likewise we’ve been trying to bribe the Manus-men to go home with increasing amounts of dosh with very little success. I suspect Merkel will have to offer a lot more than that measily €3,000.

  68. Mater

    Mater’s Musing – 4th Dec 17

    Why do Greenies predominantly drive Subaru Wagons?

  69. notafan

    “I was told by South Sudanese people that … breaking into someone’s house and stealing a car is not a big deal. Where they come from they’ve seen worse and experienced worse.”

    what a load of cobbers

    Most of the South Sudanese doing this were born and bred in Australia..

    Also there are pretty much no cars in Southern Sudan.

  70. H B Bear

    Mr Wood said evidence heard by his committee showed there was an issue in Victoria with South Sudanese crime. Of aggravated burglaries committed by a youth aged 10-18, there was a one in-seven chance the offender was South Sudanese.

    Thanks Fat Mandy. Right up there with Fraser’s Lebs.

  71. C.L.

    Tim Wilson has just defiled the Australian Parliament with a shameful stunt.

    Which was?

  72. C.L.

    Oh God.
    That’s sickening.

  73. Infidel Tiger

    He proposed to his boyfriend using Our tax dollars and Parliament to do so.

  74. Fisky

    Mr Wood said evidence heard by his committee showed there was an issue in Victoria with South Sudanese crime. Of aggravated burglaries committed by a youth aged 10-18, there was a one in-seven chance the offender was South Sudanese.

    That is an incredible figure given they are about 0.1% of the population. Thanks Amanda Vanstone! Great call.

  75. hzhousewife

    Re the stock market, I reckon there is a Xmas effect. Folks cash out in December to fund their Xmas expenses and a holiday, then buy back in as things settle in March.

  76. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tim Wilson proposes to his partner after bill introduced to House of Reps.

    Was he told “sod off”?

  77. Infidel Tiger

    Re the stock market, I reckon there is a Xmas effect. Folks cash out in December to fund their Xmas expenses and a holiday, then buy back in as things settle in March.

    That is exactly what my broker Billy Ray Valentine told me.

  78. mh

    Crying in Parliament is now catching on with Liberal MP’s following George of the Bungle bursting into tears when recalling the horror of seeing Pauline Hanson in a burka. Now it’s teary Tim Wilson proposing to his boyfriend who was sitting in the gallery. Fair dinkum.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    Our Parliament is officially a fraud.

    It’s full of foreigners, foreign agents and lobbyists using it as a place for tawdry stunts.

  80. H B Bear

    Tim Wilson proposes to his partner after bill introduced to House of Reps.

    Will the marriage be consummated on the Table of the House?

  81. Joe

    Except that for the last decade at least, most years have seen the market start rising in December and falling in May. Check out Market Index – Press the 10 yr button.

  82. struth

    School teacher sitting in parliament, of course not working today, it’s summer.

    His boyfriend uses taxpayers money and profile to get as much spotlight on themselves as possible, to make sure they are the centre of attention.

    How utterly expected.

    God, gays are boring ,…………………..but if this little poonce up in the gallery was a female, I’d still be pissed off at this.

    The teacher should be still working at a school that hasn’t knocked off for their typical six months of every year, and Tim should have the common decency to not use the house of the people for his own personal life.

  83. notafan

    MELBOURNE: protest Milo *tonight*. 5:30pm, Fed Square – location updates via THIS PAGE: https://www.facebook.com/events/426442977758511??ti=ia …

    BE THERE. FASCISTS AND THEIR ENABLERS SUCK. #auspol

    Clearly going to be o so peaceful

    From their facebook page

    I would say that this protest generally will not be “safe”. The cops will be there with riot gear and pepper spray, members of fascist groups have said they will attend to “defend” Milo. I am not an organiser but I would be prepared for it to be pretty intense.

    in response to this

    What safety measures do you have in place for PoC thinking of attending but who may be most vulnerable?

    Also at facebook a figure with a [email protected]@@@ and a punching hand

    Is Monty going? He like VanBaddy, no dobut condones ‘ it’.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Hi Leigh, the post results smash is due to pricing in the dividend. Typically stocks fall in price the percentage amount that the dividend equates to. This is dividend harvesters getting out of the stock after harvesting the dividend

    I get the ex-dividend thing Joe, but usually the ex-div date is a few weeks after announcement. I am talking about immediately post announcement.
    Good example is CSL, which I watch reasonably closely.
    On 16 August, CSL announced their results. Nothing untoward, either in actuals or forecasts. (Ex div date as 16 September). The shares dropped ~$7 on the open, to about $119. They recovered within two days and are now trading at $149 (including giving away the dividend of about $1.00).
    It is up about 25% in three months when the wider market is up 5%.
    The panic merchants stampeding their clients to the door on 16th August have been proven spectacularly wrong.

  85. H B Bear

    mUnty better work on that reverse pivot if he is going to be swinging punches. Which he won’t be.

  86. Tim Neilson

    “I’m going to let the people of Alabama make the call,” McConnell said on ABC’s This Week.

    Incredibly generous of him.

    Must make Alabama conservatives and libertarians feel really liberated knowing that they’re not going to have to slavishly follow McConnell’s directive like they were planning to.

  87. Zatara

    “A lot of migrants have no understanding of the law,” Mr Wood said.

    “I was told by South Sudanese people that … breaking into someone’s house and stealing a car is not a big deal. Where they come from they’ve seen worse and experienced worse.”

    I can certainly understand how shocked and confused they must be with how much they can get away with here because in Sudan shooting someone dead on the spot for breaking into a house or stealing a car is what is “no big deal”.

    Anyone who claims to come from a culture where theft is hunky dory needs to be sent back to that culture post haste.

  88. Infidel Tiger
    #2574869, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:05 pm
    He proposed to his boyfriend using Our tax dollars and Parliament to do so.

    That is so far out of order it’s sickening.

    OUR -that is, the peoples’ – House of Representatives is not the place for maudlin proposals of marriage – of any sort. The HOR is supposed to be a serious and respectful place for debate and the passing of legislation for the benefit of all Australians. It’s not some tawdry reality TV show.

    FFS, just how much further will this pathetic madness go?

  89. Joe

    It is up about 25% in three months when the wider market is up 5%.

    Like I said, no predicting the markets.

  90. .

    Van Badham ✊🏻 🌈‏Verified account
    @vanbadham
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    Well, kids – America is no longer merely politically over, but economically finished. The Republicans have just voted to bankrupt the Treasury. Homegrown capitalists have managed to wreak a destruction unaccomplished by both the Axis powers & Soviet Union.

    Yes, without crippling taxes the economy is ruined. Let’s not cut spending though.

    C.L. was right: hysterical.

  91. .

    Anyone seen those horrible defence industry ads?

    Just awful. Don’t just beware of the military-industrial complex, flaunt it.

    Eisenhower saw collusion and crony capitalism, he failed to foresee low-quality failure as the end product.

  92. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Republicans have just voted to bankrupt the Treasury.

    Isn’t it fun when lefties who never care about deficits suddenly care about deficits?

  93. Mater

    Clearly going to be o so peaceful

    Do you think they’ll have run out of salva and spite by the second session? 😉

  94. v_maet

    dot @ 12:26pm

    Vanbadham is delusional.

    Stock market is soaring and they still ignore the doubling of debt under Obama.

  95. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2574786, posted on December 4, 2017 at 10:57 am

    The Cat is no place for a Kitteh stalker. Fuck off GrigoRae

  96. Viva

    just how much further will this pathetic madness go?

    Sorry to say this feelgood extravaganza has a lot of extra mileage – wait til the “weddings” start.

    Tim was well respected until he became a professional homosexual.

  97. Dr Faustus

    Fairfax Media can reveal Mr Shorten – along with his family – travelled to the tycoon’s home in Mosman in March 2016, seeking help to fund Labor campaign ads for the widely expected double dissolution election in July.

    Yes, but there’s an easy answer to that:

    Senior Labor frontbencher Tony Burke says there was a series of security briefings regarding people with ties to China, but the advice received in 2015 wasn’t to stop accepting donations.

    ASIO didn’t actually tell the ALP to stop taking money from foreign agents, so they didn’t.

  98. John Constantine

    Diversity crime exploding violently has allowed top level vicpol to create a body armoured, paramilitary armed assault group.

    To be deployed, not against mosquebunkers but solitary racist colonialist settler types living in their mums carshed.

    Good result for the State.

    Comrades.

  99. Senile Old Guy

    The Wilson stunt is an example of how low the so-called “conservative” party has fallen under Lord Waffle.

  100. Baldrick

    Tim Wilson proposes to his partner after bill introduced to House of Reps.

    What a Fauxservative and an absolute show-pony cockhead.

  101. Peter Castieau

    I see over at Mike Smith News he has the list of declarations regarding section 44 for senators.

    The longest declaration I have seen so far is from Katy Gallagher.

    She’s gaaawn!

  102. Pete of Perth

    A buck could be made renting the Senate’s black rod for such parliamentary wedding extravaganza

  103. Baldrick

    File this under kill me now…

    WIN News Canberra ✔ @WINNews_ACT
    The Prime Minister has stated “I support gay marriage because I am a conservative” .

  104. .

    What the Prime Minister actually said was “We are putting the black hand back together…”

  105. Tom

    Anyone seen those horrible defence industry ads?

    Not as bad as Victoria’s man hate ads, paid for with our money and pushed through by some fat unetected dyke in some unaccountable government sinecure.

    They make me very angry. It’s straight-out misandry that pretends that all men are violent woman-bashers, not corroborated by any credible research.

  106. Zyconoclast

    Liberal MP Tim Wilson proposes to partner Ryan Bolger on the floor of Parliament

    The joyous moment followed a fiery speech in which Mr Wilson castigated the Liberal Party over its tortured path toward enabling marriage equality, particularly those who insisted on putting same-s3x marriage to a popular vote.
    “They have been prepared to discard numerous principles – parliamentary supremacy, representative democracy, our party’s tradition of a free vote, fiscal prudence and free speech,” Mr Wilson said.​

    The legalisation of same-s3x marriage would make l3sbian, [email protected], bis3xual, transg3nder and inters3x Australians “full citizens for the first time”, Mr Wilson said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-tim-wilson-proposes-to-partner-ryan-bolger-on-the-floor-of-parliament-20171204-gzy2vb.html

  107. Will the marriage be consummated on the Table of the House?

    It is not a marriage and it can’t be consummated. What a terrible fraud Wilson has turned out to be.

  108. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2574869, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    He proposed to his boyfriend using Our tax dollars and Parliament to do so.

    Eeeeewwww.
    Glen 20 on the green leather immediately!

  109. The legalisation of same-s3x marriage would make l3sbian, [email protected], bis3xual, transg3nder and inters3x Australians “full citizens for the first time”, Mr Wilson said.

    What a dumb thing to say. Seriously dumb.

  110. Baldrick

    The legalisation of same-s3x marriage would make l3sbian, [email protected], bis3xual, transg3nder and inters3x Australians “full citizens for the first time”, Mr Wilson said.

    Wow, who knew the QWERTY brigade were denied Australian passports?

  111. Joe

    Liberal MP Tim Wilson proposes to partner Ryan Bolger on the floor of Parliament

    How many of our MP’s are these false prophets, cloaking themselves in the trappings of working for the community, whilst secretly working for their own demented gaols.

  112. Joe

    Of course that’s goals, but I can wish that gaol is the ultimate sanction, can’t I?

  113. Makka

    That is so far out of order it’s sickening.

    Yes. It’s also another good indicator of the contempt our Reps hold for us. According to them, our only role in life is to keep them well fed at the trough, where they are free to indulge their whims and perversions at our expense.

  114. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tim Wilson proposes to his partner after bill introduced to House of Reps.

    We all know that a man proposes to a woman, but which man proposes to the other, and similarly which woman? Is it the man who is actually going to be the husband, even if the other ‘husband’ isn’t the wife. And do lezzos have ‘husbands’ or are they both ‘wives’? Is it about sexual position, or just dominance and authority in general, or economic position, or whatever aspect of men’s traditional role you wish to pick? Or is there a specially understood something about who gets to propose? I dunno, too complex for me. Hairy proposed, didn’t wait for me to say yes, but here we are, married.

    Actually, my little heart fluttered and I was quite pleased and I guess he knew that. He didn’t hear me say I’ll think about it, because he knew I was just concerned that I had torn up my previous marriage certificate and thrown it at the bastard and lost the Decree Nisi, and couldn’t recall ever receiving the Decree Absolute. Mr. Fixit had that solved within days. Just wait till the gays get into those complexities.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    “They have been prepared to discard numerous principles – parliamentary supremacy, representative democracy, our party’s tradition of a free vote, fiscal prudence and free speech,” Mr Wilson said.​

    And then the tax eating moocher had the gall to use our Parliament as some cheap reality TV program.

  116. cynical1

    “I was told by South Sudanese people that … breaking into someone’s house and stealing a car is not a big deal. Where they come from they’ve seen worse and experienced worse.”

    Hmm.

    In some places, Muslim thieves have their hand removed.

    It’s no big deal either.

    And it stops relapsing for the most part.

  117. Leigh Lowe

    Not as bad as Victoria’s man hate ads, paid for with our money and pushed through by some fat unetected dyke in some unaccountable government sinecure.

    They make me very angry. It’s straight-out misandry that pretends that all men are violent woman-bashers, not corroborated by any credible research.

    Not all men, Tom.
    You will note that almost every Gummint advert is chockfull of indigenes, Asians, burkha wearing A-rabs and every manner of multi-culti you can think of.
    Except the DV adverts.
    They have exclusively white Anglo good-ole-boy Aussies in the starring wife-beater roles.
    The one exception is the scene when some guy takes a photo down the front of a girl’s dress at a party. The guy beside him looking embarrassed looks like he could be aboriginal or Islander.
    Fucking disgrace.
    To be statistically accurate, the adverts should be loaded with dot-painters and towel-heads.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    Wilson’s tortured reasoning shows why he has never been able to find gainful employment outside the public service.

  119. Uh oh

    Baldrick
    #2574907, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:38 pm
    File this under kill me now…

    WIN News Canberra ✔ @WINNews_ACT
    The Prime Minister has stated “I support gay marriage because I am a conservative” .

    Thanks for posting that Baldrick. I can’t stop laughing.

  120. Leigh Lowe

    And then the tax eating moocher had the gall to use our Parliament as some cheap reality TV program.

    Fucking deadshit.
    On the day they should be kicking the shit out of Shorten over Shanghai Sam they choose to hold a fucking glitter party.

  121. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “full citizens for the first time”,

    Stop taking false talking points from our aboriginal brothers, mate.
    That’s cultural appropriation, that is. And you an HRC man too. Shame.

  122. .

    If politics, as it is, has no incentive to make private vice into public virtue, then we should seriously look to demarchy constrained by direct initiatives in a classically republican setting.

    That is, sortition, constrained by recall elections, citizen’s referenda (to strike down, but not to create laws) with direct democracy at the local level (town/parish meetings) and to formalise some arrangements the US has but we never took on, such as Senate confirmations for judicial appointments. Term limits, a constitutional bill of rights and sunset clauses on legislation and delegated legislation ought to be part of this rather sweeping change proposed here too. Along with an end to compulsory voting and taxpayer funding of political parties and pressure groups.

    If I can criticise our ancestors, it is a shame the 19th-century everyman, self-educated and well read, was infatuated with representative democracy rather than classical republicanism.

  123. max

    Senile Old Guy
    #2574902, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:35 pm
    The Wilson stunt is an example of how low the so-called “conservative” party has fallen under Lord Waffle.

    Trumble, in his speech, said he supported GM ‘because I’m a conservative.’

    Yeah, like Rudd.

    Someone needs to take him on in the parliament on this point.

  124. Infidel Tiger

    I support gay marriage because I am a plumber.

  125. Leigh Lowe

    Zyconoclast

    #2574911, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    Liberal MP Tim Wilson proposes to partner Ryan Bolger on the floor of Parliament

    The sickening thing is that this will be reported as “defiant” and “brave”.
    Truth is, it would be far more defiant and brave for two heteros to get engaged and say that they wanted to bring their kids up Christians … and there will probably be a stack of kids because they don’t believe in contraception or abortion.

  126. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2574929, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    I support gay marriage because I am a plumber.

    I am against gay marriage because I am a Scorpio.

  127. notafan

    Little Georgie is not all bad

    Re penalty rates – amendment from the Senate does not guarantee no backpay costs for small business. I can’t just go on Dougie Cameron’s say so. It needs to be in the amendment. As such, I can’t support the amendment as it is.

  128. Viva

    Ordering Pizza

    Hello! Is this Gordon’s Pizza?

    No sir – it’s Google Pizza.

    I must have dialed a wrong number. Sorry.

    No sir – Google bought Gordon’s Pizza last month.

    OK. I would like to order a pizza.

    Do you want your usual, sir?

    My usual – you know me?

    According to our caller ID data sheet, the last 12 times you called you ordered an extra-large pizza with three cheeses – sausage – pepperoni – mushrooms and meat balls on a thick crust.

    OK – that’s what I want .

    May I suggest that this time you order a pizza with ricotta – arugula – sun-dried tomatoes and olives on a whole wheat, gluten free, thin crust?

    What? I detest vegetables.

    Your cholesterol is not good, sir.

    How the hell do you know?

    Well, we cross-referenced your home phone number with your medical records. We have the result of your blood tests for the last 7 years.

    Okay, but I do not want your rotten vegetable pizza! I already take medication for my cholesterol.

    Excuse me sir, but you have not taken your medication regularly. According to our database, you only purchased a box of 30 cholesterol tablets once, at Drugsale Network, 4 months ago.

    I bought more from another drugstore.

    That doesn’t show on your credit card statement.

    I paid in cash.

    But you did not withdraw enough cash according to your bank statement.

    I have other sources of cash.

    That doesn’t show on your last tax return unless you bought them using an undeclared income source, which is against the law.

    WHAT THE HELL? ! ! ! !

    I’m sorry, sir, we use such information only with the sole intention of helping you.

    Enough already! I’m sick to death of Google – Facebook – Twitter – WhatsApp and all the others!! I’m going to an island without internet – cable TV – where there is no cell phone service and no one to watch me or spy on me !!

    I understand sir – but you need to renew your passport first. It expired 6 weeks ago!!

  129. John Constantine

    Vicpol responds to the intolerable state of Victorians mocking the social framework of the State.

    Vicpol head office now creates police made law at will, in compliance with their Andrews progressive agenda.

    Firstly, disarm all racists, so no Apex Predator can become shot invading a house.

    Second, new police made law prevents racist settlers from getting away with driving over seventy kilometers an hour on open country roads.

    No mocking law and order by driving at seventy four kmh on council roads that ratepayers are billed for, but never worked on.

  130. Viva

    I am against gay marriage because I am a Scorpio.

    So is the PM.

  131. Baldrick

    And here we see why they’re called the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party

    Michael Koziol ✔ @michaelkoziol
    Only three Coalition MPs are here (in the House) for Abbott’s speech: Kevin Andrews, Warren Entsch and Craig Kelly

  132. Roger

    ASIO didn’t actually tell the ALP to stop taking money from foreign agents, so they didn’t.

    Neither did the Liberals, although they now appear to be poised to ban foreign donations.

  133. Top Ender

    Hey Zulu, as per what was being discussed the other day:

    Brothers in arms fall out over ‘cooked-up’ Vietnam war service

    Michael von Berg is tackling his latest challenge with the same steely resolve he showed as a combat soldier in Vietnam.

    As a second lieutenant, Mr von Berg was awarded a Military Cross for his leadership in driving back an attack after his platoon was ambushed in a ravine.

    With one of his men mortally wounded, and the rest pinned down, Mr von Berg calmly brought down covering fire — before leading his men back into the breach. The fight was won without the loss of another Australian soldier. The citation for his MC says Mr von Berg “showed complete disregard for his own safety even when it became apparent that the enemy were concentrating their fire on leaders”.

    Mr von Berg is again under fire… in the courts. And, just like that day in October 1966, when he was a young officer with the 5th Battalion of the Royal Australian Regiment, he’s hitting back hard. And he’s doing it for his comrades at arms.

    Mr von Berg, 74, is being sued for defamation by ex-8RAR cook Tony Flaherty.

    Mr Flaherty, 73, Mayor of Adelaide Plains Council, claims Mr von Berg reported him to the Australia & New Zealand Military Imposters website.

    In his statement of claim lodged in the SA District Court, Mr Flaherty is seeking $250,000 in damages.

    In dispute is Mr Flaherty’s statement, in biographical material for last year’s RSL SA board election, that he had led an infantry platoon in Vietnam.

    In his candidate profile, Mr Flaherty wrote that he had served in a “platoon commander role 8 Platoon, C Company”. Mr von Berg and other Vietnam veterans say that claim is false — Mr Flaherty was the company’s cook, not a platoon commander. “His claims of being a platoon commander … this really irks me because I know what I and every other platoon commandeer in the RAR had to endure,” Mr von Berg told The Australian.

    “For Flaherty to have the temerity to portray himself as an acting platoon commander is an insult to me and every other platoon commander.”

    He wrote a letter of complaint to the RSL SA on behalf of aggrieved members of 8RAR in his capacity as president of the SA branch of the RAR Association. The former infantry, SAS and commando officer was motivated to speak out after Mr Flaherty’s side of the story was aired on the ABC’s PM last month.

    Vietnam veterans from across Australia have stepped forward to back Mr von Berg’s defence.

    At least eight have signed statutory declarations disputing Mr Flaherty’s biography.

    His company commander in Vietnam, Major David Rankine MC, wrote that in his time in charge of C Company, “Tony Flaherty never commanded anything other than a stove in the kitchen”.

    Chad Sherrin MM, an 8RAR section commander who retired as a major, stated: “At no time did Anthony Flaherty command any element of 8 Platoon.”

    Mr Flaherty told the ABC last month: “They said I went over to Vietnam as a catering sergeant and … never went out in the bush, that I never was in combat … basically that everything was a lie.

    “To get emails from veterans who said things like ‘I hate you, you’re an honour thief, I wouldn’t spit on you and I hope you die’ …

    “I want them to know what they have done has been so hurtful that they have to pay.”

    Complete article from the print edition of the Oz.

  134. Snoopy

    Tim Wilson just has to be a Boomer.

    Am I right?

  135. Mother Lode

    Was he told “sod off”?

    Considering the provenance of the word ‘sod’, I would daresay he is looking forward to it.

  136. .

    I was speaking to an older mentor of mine on the weekend. He has some socially conservative views but votes ALP.

    He could not bring himself to swallow the red pill on the recent High Court case Thorne v Kennedy.

    The case has redefined undue influence and duress. Wrongly. The defendant’s wishes were to put the property into a constructive trust (even if he did not use that legal jargon).

    The takeaway is to put your assets in a formalised, signed sealed and delivered trust.

    My friend’s idea was if you have to sign or want someone else to sign a prenuptial agreement, you should not get married.

    A trust gets around that. You know you are entitled to nothing if you marry someone who has put assets into a trust for third parties.

    I don’t see how being divorced ought to be like winning the lotto. It can never work justly in a no-fault divorce environment.

  137. lotocoti

    “This momentous social change.” spake Trumble.
    Really?
    Who knew pandering to some small cohort of a small cohort is momentous in Trumbleland?

  138. Biota

    Tim Wilson…….

    Well I’m definitely not watching the news tonight.

  139. old bloke

    Tim Wilson proposes to his partner after bill introduced to House of Reps.

    Will they televise the upcoming gay foam party in the House of Representatives?

  140. Viva

    Tim Wilson just has to be a Boomer.

    Nah – born in 1980 on the cusp of Gen X and Millennial.

  141. cynical1

    Tim Wilson just has to be a Bottomer.

    FTFY.

  142. old bloke

    .
    #2574906, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    Maybe this place is like Belgium.

    Hmmm. Makes me wonder if Tasmania also actually exists. I mean, has anyone actually even been there?

  143. Spider

    ABC furiously pushing the obstruction of justice angle on Trump with if so and so is true …. And if so and so is true … And if so and so is true then maybe, possibly with certain caveats there could be a reason for impeachment. Yawn.

  144. Viva

    “They have been prepared to discard numerous principles – parliamentary supremacy, representative democracy, our party’s tradition of a free vote, fiscal prudence and free speech,” Mr Wilson said.​

    So gracious in victory.

  145. Should I send Tim a tube of something for a wedding gift?

  146. Rae

    notafan,

    Sad that you were blocked? Don’t be. My friends who are on Twitter tell me that it’s quite common for people to block tweets from others. Even some Cats do it, so they told me.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    Tim Wilson just has to be a Boomer.

    Am I right?

    No but Turnbull and Shorten are.

  148. Anthony

    I do not support the Turnbull Party because I really am a conservative.

  149. Boambee John

    An Australian Army captain has reportedly suggested prostitutes should be sent to the front line to help relieve combat soldiers of stress.

    The French Army operated BMCs (Bordellos Mobile d’Campagne) at least up to its defeat in Vietnam.

  150. .

    Viva
    #2574933, posted on December 4, 2017 at 12:58 pm
    Ordering Pizza

    Pay with BTC or with BTC using CoinJar swipe or another EFTPOS compatible BTC linked card.

    Great fable though. What you describe is what is actually happening.

  151. harrys on the boat

    Tim Wilson, another reason why I stopped donating to the IPA.

  152. The joyous moment followed a fiery speech in which Mr Wilson castigated the Liberal Party over its tortured path toward enabling marriage equality, particularly those who insisted on putting same-s3x marriage to a popular vote.
    “They have been prepared to discard numerous principles – parliamentary supremacy, representative democracy, our party’s tradition of a free vote, fiscal prudence and free speech,” Mr Wilson said.​

    So, Wilson shows his true colours at last, eh. If he so despises the liberals party, why is he still a member? Apart from that, he doesn’t seem to think it was important to ask the opinion of the very people who will ALL be affected by this change of law and major social change to one of the fundamentals of family life – the citizens of Australia.

  153. Uh oh

    Top Ender
    #2574938, posted on December 4, 2017 at 1:05 pm
    Mr Flaherty was the company’s cook, not a platoon commander.

    Who called the cook a c*nt?

  154. .

    I might be plain wrong about this, but I have not seen a progressive assert that trolling of Christian service providers is legal under section 28A of the SDA as I keep on noting that it may be.

    I also haven’t seen a conservative commentator champion the idea.

    Might I be cynical enough to assume that both parties want conservatives to be victims?

  155. Combine Dave

    I might be plain wrong about this, but I have not seen a progressive assert that trolling of Christian service providers is legal under section 28A of the SDA as I keep on noting that it may be.

    I also haven’t seen a conservative commentator champion the idea.

    Might I be cynical enough to assume that both parties want conservatives to be victims?

    Neither of the major parties are for conservatives so, yes?

  156. notafan

    In a Venezuela Ravaged by Inflation, ‘a Race for Survival’

    I support gay marriage because I am a plumber.Things going great in Venezuala just like slobbering Van Badham and friends predicted, oh wait

  157. EvilElvis

    On whose credit card?

    An Australian Army captain has reportedly suggested prostitutes should be sent to the front line to help relieve combat soldiers of stress.

    The Daily Telegraph reported Captain Sally Williamson wrote “improved intimacy and sexual interaction can help combat veterans with PTSD recovery” in a blog article.

    The article dubbed “Sex And War – A Conversation Army Had To Have”, was reportedly posted earlier this month on the Army’s official Land Power Forum blog but removed several days later.

    Capt Williamson wrote that it would be practical for soldiers to “have sexual relations in a safe, secure and controlled environment”, The Daily Telegraph said.
    “The Army could contract Australian male and female sex workers to service troops in forward operating bases and air bases,” she wrote.

    Is that not why tranny’s are sent over and women’s quotas are now enforced?…

  158. Viva

    The symbolism of wedding customs is shown in the wedding ring, joining of hands, and the presence of small children around the bride. The children are a form of sympathetic magic, and symbolize future children. The custom of throwing grain, rice, or confetti is another fertility symbol.

    I wonder if we will see wholesale cultural appropriation of these customs when the “wedding” pantomimes begin.

    I feel cruel writing this but the truth is cruel. That is why we are where we are.

  159. Top Ender
    #2574938, posted on December 4, 2017 at 1:05 pm
    Mr Flaherty was the company’s cook, not a platoon commander.

    Who called the cook a c*nt?

    To with the usual riposte is “Who called the c**t a cook?”

  160. notafan

    oh please do go stalk someone somewhere else grigory

  161. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The French Army operated BMCs (Bordellos Mobile d’Campagne) at least up to its defeat in Vietnam.

    The French Army operated BMC’s in Algeria – I’m reading an account of that campaign by a former officer in the French Army, who claims that his first task, as a newly commissioned officer, was to organize the regular Friday night visit, for anyone who wanted a quick “how’s your father.”

  162. notafan

    Someone else, somewhere else

  163. .

    The children are a form of sympathetic magic

    You shall not suffer a witch to live.

  164. Boambee John

    The Republicans have just voted to bankrupt the Treasury.

    When Obama doubled in i years the national debt incurred over the previous 232 years, that was cool.

    But when Republicans cut taxes, the end is nigh?

  165. Roger

    So, Wilson shows his true colours at last, eh. If he so despises the liberals party, why is he still a member?

    You must have missed the memo, Bushkid.

    The Liberals are not a conservative party but “moderate progressives”.

    Any conservatives left in the Liberals would be well advised to join Australian Conservatives

  166. duncanm

    Maybe we need to implement Sudanese laws regarding theft?

    The Sudanese Penal Code provides cross amputation as a penalty for armed robbery when it results in grievous injury or involves theft of property with a value exceeding SDG 1,500 or about $340.

  167. .

    I identify as Hank Scorpio and I am in love with sortition, a constitutional bill of rights, sunset clauses on all legislation and term limits.

  168. Farmer Gez

    Yep the ABC is still dumbly ploughing the Trump-Russia political field.
    In farming if you keep ploughing the ground over and over again you will destroy the natural structure and very little will be produced for your effort.

  169. Neil

    Sad that you were blocked? Don’t be. My friends who are on Twitter tell me that it’s quite common for people to block tweets from others.

    I got blocked by Michelle Rowland. Most of her tweets say the Labors FTTP would have paid off the national debt if only the Coalition did not change it to FTTN. I disagreed and said nothing nasty but i got blocked

  170. You must have missed the memo, Bushkid.

    The Liberals are not a conservative party but “moderate progressives”.

    Any conservatives left in the Liberals would be well advised to join Australian Conservatives

    Ah, thanks Roger, it seems I did miss that. Thanks, now I know.

  171. Zyconoclast

    Should I send Tim a tube of something for a wedding gift?

    Please include an extra large latex fist. This will be used as the lube applicator.

  172. ⬤, I fear you are too late.

    Chances of establishing a new constitution without insurrection are zero.

  173. Leigh Lowe

    lotocoti

    #2574943, posted on December 4, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    “This momentous social change.” spake Trumble.
    Really?
    Who knew pandering to some small cohort of a small cohort is momentous in Trumbleland?

    FMD!
    They are leaking votes faster than the Titanic to PHON in Qld and he spends the weekend basking in the reflected glory of Bananaby’s resounding win on the back of rural conservatives (in no small part due to Barilaro publicly telling Trumble to wind his neck in).
    Come Monday morning what does Trumble do?
    Rocks into Canberra and starts sucking the dicks of voters in Brunswick and Ultimo who will never vote for Team Trumble in a millennia.
    Fucking idiot.

  174. Boambee John

    LL at 1252

    On the day they should be kicking the shit out of Shorten over Shanghai Sam they choose to hold a fucking glitter party.

    They will not get stuck into Labor about Dastardly (and Fitzgibbon, and Shorten, and others) because Turnbull, Bitchop and others on their side are also deeply implicated.

  175. Zyconoclast

    On whose credit card?

    An Australian Army captain has reportedly suggested prostitutes should be sent to the front line to help relieve combat soldiers of stress.

    Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper?

  176. Tim Wilson proposes to his partner after bill introduced to House of Reps.

    Wilson has just metaphorically dropped his trousers and rubbed his prolapsed anus in the face of Western civilisation and tradition. This is the action of someone who has regularly proclaimed himself to be a defender of those traditions and institutions. Libertarian my arse.

  177. Diogenes

    The French Army operated BMCs (Bordellos Mobile d’Campagne) at least up to its defeat in Vietnam.

    Ditto the Germans in both World Wars. In the WW2 they used a combination of volunteers(already in the sex trade), prisoners, and ‘slaves’ (ie like Japanese comfort women). There were also another group who fell into a category somewhere between red cross cross /naafi girl, and field mattress prostitute, who provided companionship (not sex) to soldiers on leave who had lost their family, my maternal grandmother was conscripted into this category.

    The German soldier was expected to pay a fixed fee to the girl, even if a sex slave.

  178. Top Ender

    An Australian Army captain has reportedly suggested prostitutes should be sent to the front line

    Bloke I served with in Baghdad in 2006 was ex-US forces (Army) from the Vietnam war. He had reinvented himself as an intelo in civilian life.

    He reckoned they had baccy, booze and broads all laid on by the government. In Baghdad, he had none of those things….well, he did arrange an illegal supply of the second item otherwise he reckoned he would not function.

  179. Roger

    They will not get stuck into Labor about Dastardly (and Fitzgibbon, and Shorten, and others) because Turnbull, Bitchop and others on their side are also deeply implicated.

    I don’t know about Turnbull but Bishop and several of the state branches of the Liberal Party certainly are, particularly WA and TAS.

  180. duncanm

    I see over at Mike Smith News he has the list of declarations regarding section 44 for senators.

    I wonder if Freda or Bill ever took out USSR citizenship .. Lee doesn’t say.

  181. John Constantine

    Ross Johns quoted in weekly times with a nice take on heavy vehicle chain of responsibility.

    The heavy vehicle unit reported to be back in zero tolerance action against harvest grain trucks.

    “Doesn’t the chair of responsibility mean the State is liable if it refuses to provide roads that are fit for safe use?.”

    Different when the rules are tried to be used AGAINST them though.

  182. Rational Person : “OK. Assume they do. What effect will that have on people who work in the fancy restaurants, yachts, private jets and fast cars sectors?”
    Lefty : “Huh?”
    Rational Person : “Won’t their be more employment in those sectors, creating wealth and a broader tax base?”
    Lefty : “Huh?”

    You’re gunna need a bigger cluebat.

  183. Roger

    This is the action of someone who has regularly proclaimed himself to be a defender of those traditions and institutions. Libertarian my arse.

    Libertarians seem to most often fall on the side of the barbarians in these matters, Mr Rusty.

  184. Diogenes

    He reckoned they had baccy, booze and broads all laid on by the government.

    Baccy came in the ration packs.

    Several company & battalion commanders organised ‘semi-official’ brothels in order to reduce a) info getting to the VC & b) the rate of VD. Whenever the brass found out the faecal matter hit the rotating air movement device.

  185. .

    “Doesn’t the chair of responsibility mean the State is liable if it refuses to provide roads that are fit for safe use?.”

    Powerless to protect you, not to punish you.

  186. Tal

    That’s it I’m done,Tim Wilson has broken me

  187. C.L.

    Just heard Turnbull in Parliament boasting that it was the Liberal Party that destroyed marriage.

  188. Makka

    Thanks Tim. More waverers hardening their attitude and vote toward anything but the Libs.

  189. Graham

    I might be plain wrong about this, but I have not seen a progressive assert that trolling of Christian service providers is illegal under section 28A of the SDA as I keep on noting that it may be.

    The section is just a definitions section. Sections 28B to 28L of the Sex Discrimination Act 1984 (Cth.) makes sex discrimination unlawful in limited situations. Very few, if any, of them would apply to something done by someone ‘trolling’ a Christian services provider anyway. You would have to stretch the definition of sexual harassment beyond breaking point to claim that activities amounting to ‘trolling’ were ‘other unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature in relation to the person harassed’ [i.e. the Christian service provider] in terms of the definition of sexual harassment in section 28A.

    I can’t see any judge being willing to buy that line of argument.

  190. Mitch M.

    For those interested in military matters the premier modern war strategy game, Command, is currently on sale at $37.99AUD, typically over $100.

    http://www.matrixgames.com/products/483/details/Command:.Modern.Air.Naval.Operations.Wargame.of.the.Year.Edition

  191. Mark from Melbourne

    Sad that you were blocked? Don’t be. My friends who are on Twitter tell me that it’s quite common for people to block tweets from others. Even some Cats do it, so they told me.

    Fuck off, Grigs. And when you finish fucking off, fuck off some more.

    Then fuck off.

  192. L

    So is it okay for people to call out from the gallery now (let alone answer a question), or is it just gay guys getting a taxpayer funded wedding proposal? And I’m sure a broadcaster funded realty TV wedding – which I assume the whole stunt was aimed at.

  193. Bruce of Newcastle

    ABC furiously pushing the obstruction of justice angle on Trump

    How can you obstruct justice when, as ABC has admitted, the action was legal?

    Yesterday, upon the stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there
    He wasn’t there again today
    I wish, I wish he’d go away…

    – W H Mearns

  194. Mother Lode

    Stock market is soaring and they (shouty lefty halfwit wymminses) still ignore the doubling of debt under Obama.

    Creatures such as Van Badham believe that the wealth on the stock market is stolen from poor people.

    It is a zero sum.

    Although people such as her have not taken their thoughts to their conclusion this is what it is.

    People get rich when they make people poor. If you exclude the idea of wealth creation, then all the wealth we have now, plus all the wealth that has been destroyed in history by men (natch) over the last 10,000 years, gives you the amount of wealth that existed in the Stone Age.

    Given that the world’s population would have been only a few millions back then (tops) then this enormous wealth spread over a tiny population means the standard of living in the Stone Age was astronomically higher than it is now.

    That is why Van Badham and the inner city Greens want to send us back there.

  195. Goanna

    Why do Greenies predominantly drive Subaru Wagons?

    Some of the wagons are called “ Forester.”
    It is all wheel drive and therefore capable of accessing the dacha.

  196. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Liberal MP Tim Wilson pops the question in parliament

    Seriously, we are heading into a civilisational dead end at breakneck speed.

  197. Snoopy

    That’s it I’m done, Tim Wilson has broken me

    Oh for days when birthday wishes, wedding anniversaries and marriage proposals were broadcast over AM radio along with a music request at absolutely no cost to taxpayers.

  198. Boambee John

    Roger at 1351

    Turnbull quoted Chairman Mao favourably.

    That is an open expression of support. I doubt that the Libs have knocked back any “donations” from Sam’s mate.

  199. Rabz

    A man cannot be married to a man.

    Just stating the bleeding obvious (again).

  200. Boambee John

    Dot at 1357

    Powerless to protect you, not to punish you.

    Not interested in protecting you, but G*d help if you try to protect yourself.

  201. Mater

    It is all wheel drive and therefore capable of accessing the dacha.

    Thanks, that clears it up.
    I thought it might have been that they run on Unicorn farts, or some such Pro-Gaia substance.

  202. Tim Neilson

    They make me very angry. It’s straight-out misandry that pretends that all men are violent woman-bashers, not corroborated by any credible research.

    Wrong on one point – they aren’t having a go at “all” men.

    I may not have seen them all, but one thing I noticed from the ones I’ve seen were that there was no representation of the demographic groups where violence is most prevalent i.e:
    (a) no representation of gay [or lesbian] violence;
    (b) no perp who looked indigenous (yes I know Eatock v Bolt so sue me);
    (c) no victim in a hijab or burka.

    That is, it’s all demonising of white hetero men (of course).

  203. H B Bear

    ABC furiously pushing the obstruction of justice angle on Trump with if so and so is true …. And if so and so is true … And if so and so is true then maybe, possibly with certain caveats there could be a reason for impeachment. Yawn.

    Just laughable. Googles G is going to have to replace “ALPBC News” with “ALPBC Trump Derangement Syndrome Speculation.”

  204. Imagine the lamentation of the women and soy boys when a coalition of conservatives controls the parliament, holds a full national referendum on the definition of marriage, and as a result reverts to it being between a man and a woman.

  205. thefrollickingmole

    Should I send Tim a tube of something for a wedding gift?

    I believe tube steak is already on the menu…

    On the army prossies bit.

    Its not a bad idea when you are going “hearts and minds” to not have your blokes creating resentment by shagging the locals. Quite a few of the older Pom insurrections (Afghanistan in particular) were stirred up because of concubinage and soldiers sleeping with “their” girls.
    Unless you go the Red Army style and make gang rape and looting your means of subjugating the locals.

  206. .

    Graham

    You’re just thinking of cakes and hiring a hall…and I am talking about sexual harassment, not sex discrimination.

    Here is section 28G(2):

    It is unlawful for a person to sexually harass another person in the course of seeking, or receiving, goods, services or facilities from that other person.

    There was a story of questionable provenance. It involved an openly NO voting beautician. I cannot recall if she was religious or not.

    She was asked to provide full body waxes for a gay couple on their “upcoming nuptials”.

    Sexual harassment is so broadly defined now that simply asking a conscientious objector for a service of any kind may qualify, particularly if the intent is merely vexatious. I may not be able to convince a judge in the first instance, but I demand the bench have consistency in jurisprudence.

    But back to strictly cakes and hiring halls; in any case where unless you have a monopoly service provider, the way I read section 7B (referred to in section 5A) makes discrimination trivial for most people; you can just go down the road. There are gay churches or simply gay-friendly churches so maybe even the fear of forcing priests to marry is wrong.

  207. struth

    Seriously, Turdball claims he is a conservative.

    Can anyone name one conservative thing he has done, EVER?

    Really, just one.

  208. notafan

    Creatures such as Van Badham believe that the wealth on the stock market is stolen from poor people.

    What makes her crossest of all is that more wealth isn’t being confiscated and given to her.

    She should have a nice apartment in the inner city suburb of her choice and lots of fine dining and international travel at taxpayer expense because vogon playwright don’t you know?

  209. Anne

    Interesting fact:

    Itanimulli. com – that is Illuminati spelt backwards directs you to – NSA.gov

    Those nutty Satanists. They love doing stuff upside down and backwards. 😀

  210. Tim Wilson has always been a cuckoo egg laid in the Liberal Party nest. The alleged libertarians on this site who boosted him have known this all along.

    The alleged libertarians couldn’t sell their ideology and create their own party and so took over the Libs.

  211. cynical1

    Too many voted “Yes” to comfort the family poove.

    EG: Bolt, Blair, Murray.

    Thanks a lot.

    Now we have “Conservative” pooves proposing in Parliament.

    Was Ed Husic rushing off to buy confetti?

    And Waleed Ali is on the guest list, I suppose.

  212. Mother Lode

    Can anyone name one conservative thing he has done, EVER?

    He married a woman?

    (Well, if the appellation ‘woman’ is bestowed with a certain charitable generosity of spirit.)

  213. entropy

    So, Turnbull flies up to Tamworth a Saturday afternoon, then returns for Parliament today.
    I hope he wasn’t doing LNP business on the taxpayer dime.

  214. Anne

    Seriously, Turdball claims he is a conservative.

    Can anyone name one conservative thing he has done, EVER?

    No Struth. Theresa May calls herself a ‘Conservative’. These labels have no meaning.

    She and Turnbull, and almost every other politician in the West, are NWO fascists in waiting.

    Also, Turnbull may be a Robotoid. Not sure about that though.

  215. Snoopy

    Their ABC, wilfully and repeatedly misrepresenting s.44.

    Senator Gallagher had taken the steps required to give up the UK citizenship she acquired through her father before nominations closed.

    What is it that the ABC doesn’t understand about the significance of making a false declaration?

  216. struth

    He married a woman?

    That’s not conservative.
    That was convenience.

  217. thefrollickingmole

    I think Ive found my new business venture…
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/03/colorado-strip-club-sign-toxic-masculinity-glendale

    “I think it’s horrible to accuse men of being toxic, because they’re not,” said Dunafon, owner of the 35-year-old Shotgun Willie’s strip club, which is also a marijuana dispensary, in Glendale, Colorado. “Our business is men, and men are not toxic.

  218. Anne

    Annie?

    You love my name don’t you, JC. 😀

  219. Imagine the lamentation of the women and soy boys when a coalition of conservatives controls the parliament, holds a full national referendum on the definition of marriage, and as a result reverts to it being between a man and a woman.

    Imagine their lamentation if you just reversed the law through a vote in the Parliament and then justified it with their own words, i.e. fiscal prudence, Parliament supremacy, and so on.

  220. feelthebern

    I’ve changed my mind.
    The Tim Wilson stunt in the House today means less time spent passing laws & such.
    That can only be a good thing.

  221. Anne

    He married a woman?

    That’s not conservative.
    That was convenience.

    Lucy is probably a Robotoid. They need AI monitoring to make sure Mal stays in line.

    He’s not very smart and easily distracted by his own reflection.

  222. Leigh Lowe

    Has Tim Wilson entered anything into Hansard.
    If so, was Mr Hansard consenting?

  223. .

    Do we really need to have a go at Lucy Turnbull’s feminity?

  224. Mother Lode

    What is it that the ABC doesn’t understand about the significance of making a false declaration?

    You seen their news programs?

  225. Leigh Lowe

    Do we really need to have a go at Lucy Turnbull’s feminity

    Miniscule target.

  226. Mother Lode

    Do we really need to have a go at Lucy Turnbull’s feminity?

    More her humanity.

    She is like Turnbull, but with purpose.

  227. Anne

    Lucy Turnbull femininity…

    – 404 Not found.

  228. .

    She got married and gave birth to two children. Just sayin’

  229. struth

    Have those people that were claiming Turdball’s days are numbered worked out yet that he is going nowhere.

    He is not sane.
    Just writing to his office and the responses you get can tell you that .

    This guy is a full on narcissist.
    He is a U.N. global socialist and it’s from there he draws his power and support, from the other U.N. socialist glitterati like Bitchop.
    Their policies have nothing to do with benefitting Australia and they never will.
    All policies are developed on pleasing the U.N.
    They are absolutely without a doubt, traitors of the highest order.
    We are pawns to be played so Malcom and Bitchop can shine on the U.N. world stage.

    He has never stood for a conservative policy in his life, let alone implemented one.

    They have taken over the Liberal party , enabled by the career slime in the party and down we all go.

    You’d have to physically take him out to get rid of him.
    (I am not proposing that)

  230. jo

    Tal
    #2575012, posted on December 4, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    That’s it I’m done,Tim Wilson has broken me

    That must hurt!

  231. notafan

    She got married and gave birth to two children. Just sayin’

    Just like Michelle Obama

  232. dopey

    Two blokes get married. Which bloke brings the ring, or do they both have a ring?

  233. struth

    Has Tim Wilson entered anything into Hansard.

    Has Tim Wilson entered his hand with anything hard?

    Let’s face it, he and his boyfriend have been swapping rings for years.

  234. Mater

    Just saw UNHCR add asking for me to donate. On the bottom of the screen was message saying that time was running out to have the Australian Government match my donation.

    I couldn’t do it to my fellow taxpayers!

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