Monday Forum: December 4, 2017

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  1. johanna

    Re Mainland Tasmania’s Big Battery, can anyone here decode this:

    The Frequency Control and Ancillary Service (FCAS) market is less known and understood than the energy market. In fact it is wrong to talk of a single FCAS market — there are actually eight distinct markets.

    The role of these markets is essentially twofold. First, they provide contingency reserves in case of a major disturbance, such as a large coal generation unit tripping off. The services provide a rapid response to a sudden fall (or rise) in grid frequency.

    At the moment, these contingency services operate on three different timescales: six seconds, 60 seconds, and five minutes. Generators that offer these services must be able to raise (or reduce) their output to respond to an incident within these time frames.

    The Hornsdale Power Reserve is more than capable of participating in these six markets (raising and lowering services for the three time intervals shown in the illustration above).

    The final two markets are known as regulation services (again, as both a raise and lower). For this service, the Australian energy market operator (AEMO) issues dispatch instructions on a fine timescale (four seconds) to “regulate” the frequency and keep supply and demand in balance.

    [ … ]

    One such service is so-called “fast frequency response” (FFR). While not a direct replacement, it can reduce the need for physical inertia. This is conceptually similar to the contingency services described above, but might occur at the timescale of tens to hundreds of milliseconds, rather than six seconds.

    The Australian Energy Market Commission is currently going through the process of potentially introducing a fast frequency response market. In the meantime, obligations on transmission companies are expected to ensure a minimum amount of inertia or similar services (such as fast frequency response).

    I suspect that the 70MW portion of the new Tesla battery is designed to provide exactly this fast frequency response.

    Huh?

  2. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bandt is on his cloven hooves going on ad nauseam about LOVE. Love is Love dontcha know?

  3. thefrollickingmole

    There is a mine site in the Gascoyne region of WA, currently in caretaker mode, where the caretaker couple have created an oasis of about one acre that looks like a patch of tropical jungle in the middle of a red dirt and spinifex desert, all done with bore water, good fences and bird netting. Even has a couple of coconut trees!

    Telfer used to have a place about 10km from the minesite called “Eden” which was a BBQ & “get shitfaced out of camp” area.
    Didnt take a lot of looking after but to be “responsible” they cut the water off to it and let it die off.

    FBT killed mining towns as an idea, stone motherless dead.
    Unless theres a boom on they are worth bugger all and cant be shifted.

    I quite like living remote myself and wish theyd have a “stop siphoning all the money into the cities you pricks” tax FIFO.

  4. Northshore Redneck

    Nice one callI.

    Saw a woman walking hand in hand with a guy today, wearing this singlet. Almost fell over I laughed so hard.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Don’t tell me it’s at Lilyfield? Hell on wheels to get to. Inner west swamp too. Have to parachute in.
    I’m still holding out for somewhere CBD.

  6. C.L.

    Is it too much to hope winning bigly Trump will revisit the War of Independence?
    The British have it coming.

  7. Makka

    Just let the market rip. The US railroad system was built by entrepreneurs.

    True but after the Govt appropriated vast tracts of land west of the Mississippi then released it in a free for all to see that it became populated and settled. Chances of anything like it happening here? Less than zero.

  8. Northshore Redneck

    This Redneck fails at links on the phone.

    Yep Lizzie, my plan of train to townhall is cactus.

  9. thefrollickingmole

    The 417 visa is a sham one, 90% of prossies from overseas are probably here on one.

    About $440 gets you a minimum wage slave for 6 months per “company” you own.
    https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/417-
    are at least 18 but not yet 31 years of age

    ​The Working Holiday visa (subclass 417) is a temporary visa for young people who want to holiday and work in Australia for up to a year. It is a temporary visa that encourages cultural exchange and closer ties between Australia and eligible countries.

  10. testpattern

    ‘There was a successful Orange plantation at Wiluna’

    Karalundi had fairly large one planted by indigenous families on the Adventist mission. Citrus does well in the nw soils with bore water, most stations have them. Old stockyards good place to plant them too, and papayas. The fruit gardens planted by the indigenous residents of Thangoo when it was part of La Grange were famous.

  11. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Is it too much to hope winning bigly Trump will revisit the War of Independence?
    The British have it coming.

    Getting the US back under rule of the Crown would be great for all.

  12. thefrollickingmole

    Peak greens reached…

    Adam Bandt, wearing a rainbow tie and pocket square, held a moment of silence for LGBTIQ people and allies who have lost their lives, during his speech on the marriage equality legislation

    Also Tits peanuthead, Magda Substankially-bigger-than-her-jenny-craig-ad and some bloke in a twitter thing.

  13. Chris

    Huh?

    Translation (specualtive)
    Renewables give shit dirty power with uncontrolled waveform shifts that don’t matter to us, but hurt our customers. In case they find out the quality is so bad, we will use this battery to hide the decline.

  14. C.L.

    Indeed:

    This inquisition is not justice

    MELANIE PHILLIPS
    The sexual misbehaviour of prominent men is at least partly the result of the sexual revolution that was driven by women.

    /Paywallian

  15. zyconoclast

    Undercover policeman’s son sues force after claiming he was diagnosed with depression when he found out his father was really a police spy

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5143705/Son-undercover-policeman-wins-latest-round-fight-compensation-Met.html#ixzz50MCo9BZJ
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    You couldn’t make this shyte up, could you?

    Yes you can. Intergenerational PTSD is a thing, dontcha know.

    PTSD And Its Impacts In Aboriginal Australia
    June 19, 2017/in News and Articles /by Cross Cultural Consultants

    We often associate PTSD, or post-traumatic stress disorder, with soldiers returning from combat, but in fact it can develop and be experienced by anybody who has been through a traumatic event. It’s just now that the general public is starting to realise that PTSD isn’t just a ‘war condition’, but a life condition. Over the years those living with PTSD have struggled for recognition, helped partly by the fact that they knew what they faced, and how they may begin to combat it. Imagine then, an entire group of people suffering PTSD across generations who do not have a good understanding of their condition, and who are unsure of how to tackle it.

    Such is the reality of Aboriginal Australia.

    A survey from 2008 indicated that almost one-in-three Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander adults have “experienced high levels of psychological distress” [1]. This is more than twice the rate that was reported for non-Indigenous Australians at the same time.

    In more than two centuries Indigenous Australians have suffered at the hands of colonists, missionaries and politicians, all sure they were doing ‘the right thing’. They have been subjected to “unprecedented levels of political, social, economic, environmental and physical violence” [2].

    As Paul Keating said in the Redfern Address:

    “It was we who did the dispossessing.
    We took the traditional lands and smashed the traditional way of life.
    We brought the diseases. The alcohol.
    We committed the murders.
    We took the children from their mothers.
    We practised discrimination and exclusion.
    It was our ignorance and our prejudice.
    And our failure to imagine these things being done to us.” [3]

    Massacres, exclusion, colonial law and white privilege have left Aboriginal people broken, and dealing with the effects of PTSD not just as individuals, but in an intergenerational way. We’re talking about more than the psychological trauma of an individual, which is a challenge of itself, but the trauma that runs across generations, referred to by Atkinson as trauma lines:

    “These trauma lines show the increase of so-called mental illness, alcohol and drug misuse, sexual and physical abuses and suicide attempts that reflect the pain of people’s lived experiences today.” [4]

    Now we have two options in looking forward to a future Australia, where equality is a foundational right, not just a political catchword. Either go the way policymakers currently lean, seeing Aboriginal people as a failed group, or we see deeper than that, and recognise the long-term effects that PTSD can have on physical and mental health and wellbeing.

    Currently, Australian politicians and those charged with protecting Aboriginal welfare have failed to apply what we know about PTSD to Aboriginal Australia. Our denial is hubris, but it’s not us that we’re failing: it’s Aboriginal people. This denial is one of the primary reasons that many programs specifically targeting First Australians aren’t getting results. It’s why schooling programs, mental health programs, wellbeing programs, and many other ‘closing the gap’ initiatives are doomed from the get-go. Essentially, it’s the real life version of forcing square pegs in round holes.

    It’s Only Getting Worse
    Unfortunately for Aboriginal people, intergenerational PTSD isn’t something that goes away with time. In fact, with each generation of people the issues faced are worse and worse, the trauma lines run deeper, and it’s hard to see a way forward. As older generations work to fight their demons, they are often caught up in substance abuse [5], leading to newer generations suffering with conditions like foetal alcohol which further adds to the trauma. We’re in a cycle that has to be broken, and now is the time.

    What Can Be Done
    The intergenerational trauma suffered by Aboriginal people isn’t something that white Australia can fix, and that’s probably the biggest hurdle for us to accept. Like so many other times in the past, we feel that we were the answer, but the truth is that the answer has lain with Aboriginal people from the beginning.

    It is only Aboriginal people who can heal the wounds of the past, because we simply can’t understand the trauma that has been suffered by them, individually and as a group, for the last two centuries. We cannot understand the blatant murder and massacre of their ancestors, the denial of their cultural identity, the removal of their children, the separation of families, and the crushing of their spirit. It is a trauma that white Australia wants to wipe from the history books, because we are that guilty. But as Keating said, “guilt is not a very constructive emotion”, only opening our hearts and embracing practical solutions will net the future we hope to have for our great nation.

    It’s time to stand up and accept that white Australia has done a number on Aboriginal Australia, but it’s not too late. It will take years for us to overcome the past, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t able to reach for the future.

  16. Joe

    It’s time to stand up and accept that white leftist Australia has done a number on Aboriginal Australia, but it’s not too late.

    FIFY

  17. Bruce in WA

    Going round the Horn on Holland America next year

    Calli, we did that on Princess earlier this year. It’s not unusual for a cruise ship to not be able to sail around the Horn — because of the weather and rough seas. One of the passengers on our table had been three times before and had never actually been able to get around the island.

    While you wouldn’t have been waterskiing when we went round, it was calm enough and clear enough (but bloody cold!) to stand unaided on deck. It was something I won’t forget in a hurry.

  18. H B Bear

    Also Tits peanuthead, Magda Substankially-bigger-than-her-jenny-craig-ad and some bloke in a twitter thing.

    Fat Magda looks more amused than I have ever been watching her “comedy”.

  19. calli

    I’m following my great great grandfather, Bruce. He went round on this.

    Slumming it. 😀

  20. Bruce in WA

    Wooden ships and iron men …

  21. old bloke

    all the dvds are availabe at JB 2 for $30

    Go to Bali and buy them for $2 each.

  22. zyconoclast

    Ireland and the UK must all be re-unified.

    I reckon my North Irish to England and Muslims to Ireland swap posted earlier is still the way to go.

    The IRA can then start terrorist bombing games versus the jihad bombers.
    It will be like all Irish sports that noone else plays such a hurling and Gaelic football

  23. Mitch M.

    The intergenerational trauma suffered by Aboriginal people isn’t something that white Australia can fix, and that’s probably the biggest hurdle for us to accept. Like so many other times in the past, we feel that we were the answer, but the truth is that the answer has lain with Aboriginal people from the beginning.

    Trauma exists but can someone explain to me why the Jews are not extinct? If it was just about trauma they would be extinct. Something else matters. My guess: glucocorticoid regulation.

    It is only Aboriginal people who can heal the wounds of the past,

    No, the answer will come from the relevant professionals. There is a huge amount of research into PTSD and new avenues are being explored.

  24. RobK

    Huh?

    Translation (specualtive)
    Renewables give shit dirty power with uncontrolled waveform shifts that don’t matter to us, but hurt our customers. In case they find out the quality is so bad, we will use this battery to hide the decline.

    That’s about right. The article suggests that the big battery is almost like a solid state version of a large rotating generator……except it’s not, it’s a facsimile. They give an example of supply loss as in a coal fired turbine dropping off line suddenly. The battery couldn’t carry such a load. It’s more likely a wind farm drops off, it could carry that probably. It is impossible to beat the inertia of hundreds of tones of high speed rotors for frequency control. The big battery inverter can make an approximation by switching a high frequency and modulating a 50hz sinewave, then filtering off the high frequency carrier. Under high load the solid state switching struggles and various spikes and harmonics appear. The long and the short of it is the big battery makes it’s associated 325MW wind farm behave a bit more like a real power plant with dispatchable power, at least for a third of it’s out put. That is it can ride through about 20+minutes of no show from the windfarm.

  25. johanna

    Let’s go cruisin’!

    Almost 200 people are being treated for gastro symptoms after being struck down while onboard a cruise ship that has today docked in Hobart.

    The Ovation of the Seas arrived in the city today carrying more than 5,800 people.
    GIF: Cruise ship sprayed because of gastro

    The ship has been at sea for 14 days and in that time 195 cases of gastrointestinal illness have been reported, representing just over 3 per cent of passengers and crew.

    Ovation of the Seas, one of the world’s largest cruise ships, is owned by Royal Caribbean International which released a statement.

    “Those affected by the short-lived illness were treated by our ship’s doctors with over-the-counter medication, and we hope all our guests feel better quickly,” it said.

    What amazes me is that people continue to shell out money for trips on these floating petri dishes of e.coli and worse.

    Imagine being seasick and having the screaming abdabs, at the same time, and being unable to even go and cower in your own bed and bathroom till the worst was over.

    The grubbiest food court in an Australian shopping mall is more trustworthy.

  26. zyconoclast

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2576351, posted on December 5, 2017 at 4:53 pm
    my what big feet you have. SFW

    I didn’t notice her feet. Too many distractions.

  27. Chris

    “It was we who did the dispossessing.
    We took the traditional lands and smashed the traditional way of life.

    Traditional way of life:
    Spearings
    Child rape
    Child marriage of girls to a few old men
    Prostitution of child wives by old men
    Beatings of wives and high deaths by family violence
    Infant mortality in high 40s
    Sandy blight
    Cataracts
    Death by septicemia
    Death from magic instead of medicine
    Occasional starvation
    Ignorance of everything outside magic and bush living

    It would be a bitter joke that all this occurs SINCE colonisation, but I believe these must be counted among the benefits of the traditional way of life.

  28. notafan

    Go to Bali and buy them for $2 each.

    Hmm spend hundreds on return airfare to Bali to pay $2 for a dud pirate video

    Great idea!

  29. zyconoclast

    Go to Bali and buy them for $2 each.

    Do you pay extra for methanol laced vodka, volcano dust and wall-to-wall bogans?

  30. Due to over-supply, the wall-to-wall bogans are free.

  31. johanna

    H B Bear
    #2576309, posted on December 5, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    I think you need to read the history of Las Vegas, Struth. Not only is it not a model we would want to follow (takeover of a sleepy desert town by organised crime), …

    You mean like Canberra?

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    Bear wins the internetz today.

  32. Rev. Archibald

    I have had time to digest the Milo oration last night. Although I had already watched him a fair bit on Youtube, the sense of occasion and immediacy of a live show is different.
    My thoughts:
    Although there is a need to fight back progressivism without shame or limits, intelligence is required.
    Very few could do what Milo does. But he should lay off the really gratuitous stuff.
    What we are talking about is the psychology of persuasion of whole demographics.
    I requires a judicious hand.
    The beliefs of many are in a condition of flux. A phrase here, a nuance there, a particular display of attitude could be the difference.
    It isn’t the sheer bulldozing weight of numbers or effort.
    Trivial complaints to be sure. In his particular field he is alone.
    But even anti- pc flambouyant outrage machines can spoil the effect with one wrong move.
    If you are going to flay someone as ultimately pathetic as Clementine care is required you don’t just look like an assasin.
    Likewise a stone age people who have pretty much been wiped out.
    Like a stiff cock, the baying mob has no conscience. Temper yourself Milo.
    But never take a backward step.

  33. Chris

    3% of passengers on a cruise got the Bali Belhi?

    FMD, thats awful. May waife and Ay got 100% of 48 hours extreme sports from eating fruit bought at a normal French greengrocer in Paris.

    3%. Nasty for those concerned.

  34. johanna

    We effectively have hundreds of large permanent lakes due to irrigation and hydropower schemes.

    Dot, stop making an eejit of yourself.

    Do you have the slightest concept of how big Lake Erie and associated systems are?

    Try, bigger than Tasmania.

    The puddles we have here and there are mere rockpools in comparison, and they are few and far between.

  35. Rae

    Did HMS Beagle actually sail around Cape Horn?

  36. Bruce in WA

    What amazes me is that people continue to shell out money for trips on these floating petri dishes of e.coli and worse.

    Imagine being seasick and having the screaming abdabs, at the same time, and being unable to even go and cower in your own bed and bathroom till the worst was over.

    The grubbiest food court in an Australian shopping mall is more trustworthy.

    Sorry, Johanna, but that’s not been my experience.

    I’ll admit we are cruise addicts. It’s not even the destinations for us, it’s just being on board.

    We’ve only been sick once—and pretty sure we picked that up ashore.

    We are scrupulous about our hygiene on board and are also big fans of probiotics. All too often though you see passengers not washing their hands after using the toilet, or washing them and then using bare hands to open the toilet door, despite the warning signs. We carry hand sanitiser for the times we can’t wash before eating.

    It used to be worse at Mum and Dad’s nursing home …

    Having said all that, we’re NOT fans of the big ships. Just too many people and the more there are the greater the chance some of them will be infectious. For that reason, we rarely eat in the buffet (the zoo). The last time we did do that (late back from an excursion, dining room closed) I saw an Asian lady sprinkle some Tabasco on her food — and then lick around the top of the bottle before putting the lid back on.

  37. duncanm

    Two thirds of the protesters were Muslim with about half of those being African.

    Fascinating, eh?

    what’s more fascinating is that no photos of such have made it to MSM.

    There are mentions of ‘public housing locals’ — but no photos.

  38. struth

    Just let the market rip. The US railroad system was built by entrepreneurs.

    Exactly.
    My detractors are so socialist in mindset, I think they think I’m asking for funding for the outback.
    Notafan’s wording along the lines of “chosing to develop” hints at a centralised decision.
    Both Notafan and Johanna are obviously a little too Canberra/Melbourne/ female and I don’t hold that against them.
    I would only assure them that if the outback wasn’t locked up in aboriginal land and regulation, [email protected] and other gov operating costs that it has plenty of potential to thrive without costing the taxpayer a dime.
    We will never know what has been lost, in our lifetimes anyway.

    There are many wealthy, big towns in deserts through New Mexica, Arizona, Utah, and I just suggested one , Las Vegas, Nevada.

    Las Vegas was a dirty prostitute , gambling town in the days of the wild west, but it provided service to industry out there, cattle etc.
    Whether those services are nice and respectable doesn’t change the economics.
    And the gangsters running it there weren’t that much different to the gangsters running our country now.
    They’ve just made themselves legal.

    Earlier on , I said I was talking about this as a chicken and egg scenario.
    The dam didn’t create Las Vegas , but the many Las Vegas’s in the area created the dam.
    Then , because of the dam, it could grow.
    It’s the initial reason for the whole thing in the first place.
    The freedom for entrepreneurs to have a crack.

    That’s what we don’t have in Australia, and therefore the outback is rooted.

    I’m saying the outback had potential, massive amounts of it, and massive amounts of water and resources.
    I was saying exactly that , dot.
    It was beginning to go well, and then the socialists shut it down through government red tape and regulation.
    We’ll never know what the outback could have been like, but anyone claiming a shortage of water is a problem in this day and age is just out of their depth! (no pun intended)

  39. cohenite

    The role of these markets is essentially twofold. First, they provide contingency reserves in case of a major disturbance, such as a large coal generation unit tripping off. The services provide a rapid response to a sudden fall (or rise) in grid frequency.

    Doesn’t happen. renewables produce power in surges which need to be evened out to match the frequency requirements of the 50hz grid. The battery can do that for a brief period for a tiny part of the grid but why bother when coal, gas, nuclear/thorium can produce synchronous power endlessly.

  40. egg_

    Almost 200 people are being treated for gastro symptoms after being struck down while onboard a cruise ship that has today docked in Hobart.

    Not the salmon mousse, again?

  41. testpattern

    Perth journalists

    ANNUAL REPORT OF THE Commissioner of Native Welfare FOR THE Year ended 30th June 1956

    ‘A couple of years ago a group of journalists who had passed through the Western Kimberleys and the Pilbara district took a particular interest in ” blackfellow law.” They questioned the aboriginals in a very friendly manner and even promised to keep secret everything they learned. This encouraged the natives to lead the ” strangers ” to their secret bush-places and to allow them to take photos of their sacred boards and bullroarers. Several weeks or months later, however, the natives of one station noticed by chance that the
    journalists had not kept their word…’

    https://aiatsis.gov.au/sites/default/files/catalogue_resources/74505.pdf

  42. RobK

    “I’m saying the outback had potential, massive amounts of it, and massive amounts of water and resources.”
    I’m with you on that one Struth. If we don’t develop the place someone else will.

  43. johanna

    thefrollickingmole
    #2576341, posted on December 5, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    There is a mine site in the Gascoyne region of WA, currently in caretaker mode, where the caretaker couple have created an oasis of about one acre that looks like a patch of tropical jungle in the middle of a red dirt and spinifex desert, all done with bore water, good fences and bird netting. Even has a couple of coconut trees!

    The wives of prosperous graziers in sheep country often had large and lovely gardens around the house, watered by bores and securely fenced off from bunnies, roos and the like. I’ve visited a few of them. Of course, as soon as the financial tap and personal care is turned off, they revert in no time.

    Doesn’t prove a thing about the financial viability of ‘making the desert bloom’. It’s a recurring Australian fantasy, though, a meme which will never be expunged.

    It is the Australian cargo cult that will never die.

  44. Nick

    what’s more fascinating is that no photos of such have made it to MSM.
    There are mentions of ‘public housing locals’ — but no photos.

    I’m pretty sure the Age had one in its online edition today.

  45. C.L.

    Well, here’s a rarity …
    Turnbull goes full red meat, destroys Labor in the House …
    Shorten had attempted to use domestic violence as a political weapon but Turnbull squashed him:

    Domestic violence usually invites sober debate devoid of partisan politics.

    Such was the expectation when Bill Shorten stepped up to the dispatch box in federal parliament during question time on White Ribbon Day.

    In low tones, the opposition leader invited Malcolm Turnbull to join with Labor in supporting 10 days of legislated paid domestic and family violence leave.

    [The AAP reporter wants you to think Shorten is the noble party – CL].

    Shorten had announced the policy during a breakfast the pair attended in Canberra earlier in the day.

    The prime minister rose, speaking first in convivial tones, to congratulate the opposition on their shared commitment to end violence against women.

    He declined to back Labor’s position, saying the matter was before the workplace umpire, instead rattling off a range of measures his government was pursuing to curb violence.

    “In our roles as fathers, sons, brothers, colleagues, mates and leaders, all of us are capable of saying that behaviour, that language is not OK. When we see someone showing disrespect,” Turnbull said.

    Opposition backbenchers slumped in their chairs, arms crossed and heads shaking.

    Turnbull then dramatically changed tack, raising his voice to berate Shorten for visiting a CFMEU picket line, despite reports its members were running “outrageous campaign of vile abuse”.

    Labor’s Tony Burke tried to cajole the prime minister back to the question, but Turnbull was on a roll, sweeping the interjector up in his response.

    The prime minister suggested Burke’s remarks showed he too “fundamentally misunderstands” the cause of domestic violence.

    “It is disrespect for women. You have got members of the CFMEU threatening domestic violence, and does he condemn it? No,” Turnbull thundered across the chamber.

    It was about time the opposition leader stood up for something, the PM said.

    “He could stand up for respect for women, he could stand up for Australia, he could stand up for the security of our country.”

    The opposition benches erupted, accusing the prime minister of stooping to grubby politics.

    This is what he should have been doing for the last two years.

  46. struth

    Aboriginal people in remote areas and communities suffer unending socialism continually funded by capitalism.
    End of story.

    Aboriginals suffer more from socialism than any others in Australia.
    The left own them and they aren’t letting them progress and have their funding removed.
    You won’t find a right winger in any abo organisation (they are all funded), so it sort of tells you something, doesn’t it?
    Not one, anywhere.

  47. egg_
    #2576395, posted on December 5, 2017 at 5:49 pm
    —————————————————-

    Not the salmon mousse, again?

    Yes – The salmon mousse

  48. johanna

    Chris
    #2576356, posted on December 5, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    Huh?

    Translation (specualtive)
    Renewables give shit dirty power with uncontrolled waveform shifts that don’t matter to us, but hurt our customers. In case they find out the quality is so bad, we will use this battery to hide the decline.

    Chris, as someone with no scientific training to speak of, I thought they were saying that because batteries could be switched on or off quickly (like in your torch) they might attract a premium when power was needed quickly.

    All this stuff about eight different markets and so on, and those technical terms, what would I know?

  49. calli

    No. It went through the Beagle Channel to be precise. I’m looking forward to visiting Goose Green too.

  50. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2576387, posted on December 5, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    Fuck off GrigoRae

  51. feelthebern

    Everyone who is cheering on Milo now, will be a little sheepish in a couple of years when he’s found hanging out of something he shouldn’t be hanging out of.

  52. calli

    For those who are interested, there’s a handy map of the Beagle’s survey voyage around Tierra del Fuego.

  53. egg_

    Chris, as someone with no scientific training to speak of, I thought they were saying that because batteries could be switched on or off quickly (like in your torch) they might attract a premium when power was needed quickly.

    IIRC wind farms are generally “islands” – i.e. they don’t synchronise to the Grid – but with the Musk battery and inverter technology, they may be able to do so and double dip in selling power to the Grid at peak demand.

  54. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “It was we who did the dispossessing.
    We took the traditional lands and smashed the traditional way of life.

    We poisoned the waterholes and gave out smallpox infected blankets…

  55. Baldrick

    So much for Bill’s rock-solid, iron clad guarantee :

    Labor MP David Feeney says he will soon ask to have his place in Parliament referred to the High Court

    Apparently he can’t find his renunciation papers.

  56. Gab

    CL

    Please check your email.

  57. struth

    Doesn’t prove a thing about the financial viability of ‘making the desert bloom’. It’s a recurring Australian fantasy, though, a meme which will never be expunged.

    Who needs to make the desert bloom for there to be a vibrant economy in the outback?

    We have transport.
    We have pipes.
    We have already made the desert bloom to much of an extent anyway.
    Buffel grass.
    Then look up Lake Argyle, just how big it is and the fact the water in it has never been used.
    Look at the yearly flows of just one river like the Fitzroy.

    Just north of Alice is the Tropic of Capricorn, and just north of that a few hundred k’s they call it the Never Never.
    This is the start of the dry tropics, of which most of northern Australia is.
    This means it floods in the wet season over an area many many times the size of Tassie, a good third of the continent nearly, if that’s the measurement you are using, and is lost to massive river systems every year.
    To say the outback hasn’t an available water supply is verging on ignorance, but one we are used to hearing from southerners with some romantic vision of a 1870’s outback.

    Do you really think we don’t have the ability to harness this water?
    What planet are you on?

  58. thefrollickingmole

    johanna

    Theres an easy and cheap way to “green the desert” but greenies would kill even the mereest sniff of it dead.
    And it would be based on a project done back in the 1900’s in WA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland_Railway_of_Western_Australia#Land_development

    In December 1883, John Waddington representing a sydndicate of English capitalists, proposed to Governor Broome to build a line from York via Northam, Newcastle, Bejoording, New Norcia and along the Berkshire Valley to Geraldton under a land grant scheme. A parliamentary select committee recommended the route be altered to branch off from the Eastern Railway at Guildford and run via Chittering, Bindoon, Victoria Plains, Carnamah, Arrino, Upper Irwin and Dongara to Walkaway where it would join the Western Australian Government Railway’s line from Geraldton. The agreement was signed on 27 February 1886, with work commencing a few days later.[1][2]

    Under the land grant scheme, 12,000 acres (4,900 ha) of land was granted for every mile of railway completed, a total of 3,319,000 acres (1,343,000 ha). The consortium was able to select land within 40 miles (64 km) of the new railway.

    Now a similar proposal with land grants and secure tenure, with, say 10% allocated to Aboriginal people to protect areas they like would see a land rush of massive proportions.
    A series of weirs and canals/pipes all constructed and maintained by the private parties would seriously see massive investment.

    How much fodder could China grow based on something like that?

    Instead we have land locked up in government hands which actually costs money to manage.

  59. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Got the time and venue and can get there OK, says Hairy.
    Not sayin’ any more on here as little ears may be listening. Especially troll ears.

    Arky, I will report back on impressions of Milo as well, probably only briefly.
    Personally, I think Clemmie had it coming (hahaha, or not) and how. This is a thousand percent payback for the ‘small dick’ comments she lashes out with to men of the right. What man in his right mind would care to put even the most impressive member up for her withering attention? Vagina dentata there, guys. Right on, Milo. He knows how to hit back and that is precisely what young guys need to be shown, ridiculed as they have been since childhood on the altar of ego sacrifice to feminism.

    For men have fragile enough egos to start with. Hairy keeps telling me (as I reassure him of course that he is a star at all times) that women have it much easier than men in the bedroom performance stakes. It is very difficult for a man to fake it, in the most basic sense. They do require a baton for full orchestration of the music, even if they can fake diminution at the finale. In contrast, our equipment is so mysterious that men are sometimes left uncertain as to what is going on, and some women do play on this fact. Women like Clem are poison to men, sheer poison, all take and no give, and deserve all that Milo can give them.

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    IMMIGRATION
    Q&A Manus refugee didn’t express interest in US resettlement

    The Australian
    5:02PM December 5, 2017

    Rachel Baxendale
    Reporter
    Canberra
    @rachelbaxendale

    A Sudanese asylum seeker on Manus Island who told the ABC’s Q&A last night that all he wants is “freedom in a safe country” has failed to formally express interest in being resettled in the United States, according to Immigration Minister Peter Dutton’s office.

    Abdul Aziz Muhamat, who wore a stars and stripes T-shirt in his video message, said he had been detained on Manus Island for four and a half years.

    “I have seen friends die because of violence and medical negligence,” Mr Muhamat said.

    “We have been attacked by Navy and police and we have witnessed abuse by the Australian government-paid guards.

    “We are refugees. All we want is freedom in a safe country, not necessarily Australia, for example somewhere like Canada, New Zealand, or the United States.

    “My question to the panel, how long will Australia keep us here in danger?”

    A spokeswoman for Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said Mr Muhamat had been found to be a refugee, but had not applied to be considered for resettlement as part of the US deal with Australia to take 1250 asylum seekers from Manus Island and Nauru.

    Mr Dutton’s office disputed that Mr Muhamat was in detention, given the East Lorengau Refugee Transit Centre, where he is living, is an open accommodation facility where asylum seekers are free to come and go.

    “(Mr Muhamat) has also actively engaged in approximately nine protest activities while residing at the Manus RPC and leading up to its closure — he was a speaker in seven of those protests — and has a history of abusive and aggressive behaviour towards staff,” a spokeswoman for Mr Dutton said.

    From the Oz. Why am I left with the idea that this rooster’s country shopping?

  61. Bruce in WA

    Goose Green

    Sounds like you’re doing a similar cruise to the one we took. The Falklands are fascinating, great war museum and even a bronze bust of Maggie Thatcher in a public square.

    Just don’t fall for the “genuine” fish ‘n’ chips at a boozer there. They’re frozen, very average, and exxie as hell.

  62. struth

    The blackfellas were stealing land and women off each other long before we got here.

    Oh, sorry, that’s right, they were all sitting around singing Kumbaya, with guitars made of Kangaroo sinew and bone, and kicking a balled up possum skin around and inventing football rules.

  63. johanna

    Unfortunately for Aboriginal people, intergenerational PTSD isn’t something that goes away with time. In fact, with each generation of people the issues faced are worse and worse, the trauma lines run deeper, and it’s hard to see a way forward.

    So, if something bad (e.g. WWI) happened to your great-grandpa, your pain is even worse than his, apparently.

    This is Alice Through the Looking Glass stuff. Only someone with a high IQ could possibly promulgate, or believe it.

  64. JC

    Makka

    Show a little gratitude with the bank tip I gave you with the US banks.

    I love Trump. I love him more than an orange stepchild.

  65. struth

    Again, I like Johanna and Notafan but I do have to say that when it comes to the outback they know as much as I do about city coffee.
    SFA

  66. thefrollickingmole

    Whenever Clam opens her disgusting piehole to use her “small dick” line she should be gently reminded that not all ladies have a vagina like the inside of a pig farmers welly boot, complete with shitty bits, stink and size.

  67. struth

    Unfortunately for Aboriginal people, intergenerational PTSD isn’t something that goes away with time. In fact, with each generation of people the issues faced are worse and worse, the trauma lines run deeper, and it’s hard to see a way forward.

    The official term for this is BULLSHIT.

    It’s the sort of dribble you get from socialists who of course, will never see socialism , cultural marxism, and the welfare state as the problem.
    Because they are the problem.

  68. testpattern

    Why Australia is in Mindanao

    1.To ensure the successful transition to an autonomous Bangsamoro State. There are rejectionists in Congress and IS aligned groups. Failure would lead to a new war in which moderates and extremists would unite to fight for total independence.

    2. To get our boats patrolling Sibutu, a strategic sealane for our NE Asian trade.

    RECOMMENDATIONS

    Part A: BASIC

    ‘Develop a coordinated advocacy strategy supporting the peace process and addressing biases, stereotypes and historical injustice. A key factor in the failure of Congress to pass the BBL was the weak public support it generated due to long held prejudices and ignorance of the historical injustices committed to Moros.

    BASIC partners should work collectively with their partners (including Mindanews) to deliver consistent, clear messaging to build public support and address negative public sentiment that may undermine peace-making efforts, including attempts to pass the new ‘Enabling Law’. The President’s public recognition of the historical injustice committed to the Moros and IPs provides an opportunity to increase support for this information dissemination and advocacy activity.’

    http://dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/Documents/strategic-review-australias-support-for-peace-in-mindanao.pdf

    ‘BASIC partners should work collectively with their partners (including Mindanews)’

    http://www.mindanews.com/

  69. struth

    Whenever Clam opens her disgusting piehole to use her “small dick” line she should be gently reminded that not all ladies have a vagina like the inside of a pig farmers welly boot, complete with shitty bits, stink and size.

    Or………………………….it may be a small organ but it was not meant for a cathedral.

  70. H B Bear

    Unfortunately for Aboriginal people, intergenerational PTSD isn’t something that goes away with time.

    PTSD dreaming? File it under Hindmarsh Island secret womens’ business.

  71. .

    Australian dams are very deep and numerous, if not comparatively large in surface area.

    The fact of the matter is Eucumbene, Warragamba, Burrinjuck etc are very large in size area. Just because they are not the biggest lake in the world (Great Lakes System) – so what? Something the size of Sydney Harbour and 70+ metres deep is a large lake, regardless of what comparisons can be made.

    The joke is on Johanna – coastal cities struggled to get fresh water at the start of white settlement.

    There are enough resources to build current water mitigation capacity many times over.

    Look at the recent trouble in building ONE dam in NSW – Needles Gap. Outrage over the dam being moved to Cliefden Caves or Cranky Rock as well as otherwise being built at Needles Gap.

    Sad.

    (Quite frankly all four sites ought to be developed).

    It is a lack of political will that stops entrepreneurs from developing the country.

    If they are crap ideas no business will take them on or they will fail and lessons will be learnt.

  72. Alfred

    Creatures like Milo can only exist in a terminally ‘progressive’ society. There’s a reason his tours are limited to the anglosphere.

  73. johanna

    Very few could do what Milo does. But he should lay off the really gratuitous stuff.

    Oh, Lord, another bowtie wearing Cat, like the ones who wish that Trump was more ‘seemly.’

    You don’t get it, never will.

  74. Tel

    So, if something bad (e.g. WWI) happened to your great-grandpa, your pain is even worse than his, apparently.

    They are trying to make excuses for each generation being worse off… WITHOUT admitting that actually it was state handouts and constant interference by social workers that did this. Thus, by necessity need to do mental backflips and come up with a theory of mystical PTSD forces.

    Once you understand where they are coming from (dodging blame) it makes a whole lot of sense all of a sudden.

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Unfortunately for Aboriginal people, intergenerational PTSD isn’t something that goes away with time.

    PTSD dreaming? File it under Hindmarsh Island secret womens’ business.

    Doesn’t seem to bother the Israelis too much.

  76. calli

    The other problem central Australia has (apart from no decent mountains to promote rainfall) is a lack of decent rivers. The big one, the Darling, is a trickle. All the rest are ephemeral.

  77. calli

    Uh oh. Arrests outside the Lilyfield venue.

    Watch your backs Lizzie and Redneck.

  78. Tel

    Creatures like Milo can only exist in a terminally ‘progressive’ society. There’s a reason his tours are limited to the anglosphere.

    He tried to organize a tour of Aleppo but some wag in the Senate managed to pass a motion that Milo’s presence might be “divisive” and possibly even lead to a few scuffles. Well, there’s no pleasing some people, is there?

  79. testpattern

    ‘intergenerational PTSD isn’t something that goes away with time’

    Too broad a statement. It is real and persists, and different approaches to remediation have different results. A few days ago I mentioned how a Kimberley based oil producer employs strategically, using the violent history of the place to bring two sides of the same family together to share benefits of development. It may not have been their original or only intention, but practical reconciliation may work best when the truth is hidden from public gaze, as it often is across the north.

  80. calli

    No sign of “far right” protesters though.

    You’ll be safe then guys. 😃

    Loathesome MSM.

  81. Makka

    We have transport.
    We have pipes.

    We have unions, greens and jelly backed Govts.

  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    For that reason, we rarely eat in the buffet (the zoo). The last time we did do that (late back from an excursion, dining room closed) I saw an Asian lady sprinkle some Tabasco on her food — and then lick around the top of the bottle before putting the lid back on.

    You don’t see what goes on in the kitchen either, although chefs are getting more careful in case something does come back to bite them.

    I’m trusting to immunity and resistance for us both. We are rarely sick due to bugs. I’ve probably been exposed during childhood and then in university shared houses to the most terrible pathogens, and Hairy specialized in his youth in the sort of travel and cuisine that never washes its hands.

    Probiotics? I dunno. They might scare the natives down there.

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seven News has promoted Milo from Far Right to “Ultra Right”.
    Hopefully he’ll make Hyper Right by the end of his Aussie tour.

  84. Infidel Tiger

    The other problem central Australia has (apart from no decent mountains to promote rainfall) is a lack of decent rivers. The big one, the Darling, is a trickle. All the rest are ephemeral.

    There were obviously some bloody good rivers there once. The Abos and their fire farming have much to answer for.

  85. Infidel Tiger

    How much are Milo tickets?

  86. RobK

    “coastal cities struggled to get fresh water at the start of white settlement.”
    Today, an air cooled nuclear desal plant means you can have water where ever you want it badly enough. Dams are cheapest though.

  87. .

    True Rob, and nuclear powered, privately funded and operated desal could be pumped into the inland.

  88. Gab

    Seven News has promoted Milo from Far Right to “Ultra Right”.
    Hopefully he’ll make Hyper Right by the end of his Aussie tour.

    That’s gone straight to Twitter. Thanks, Bruce.

  89. candy

    Milo is cute as a button, an engaging personality with his boyish hairstyle and cheeky sense of humour. If he wasn’t so cute he might not get so much attention. I think he’s genuine and intelligent and found a niche. But only so many years left, after the looks fade.

  90. C.L.

    Will do, Gab – a bit later this evening.

  91. calli

    You just know he’ll get to Ludicrous Right* eventually, Bruce.

    * h/t Spaceballs

  92. Farmer Gez

    Root’s at the crease.

  93. candy

    This is what he should have been doing for the last two years.

    I don’t think so, C.L. What has a picket line somewhere sometime in Australia got to do with DV and especially that in the indigenous communities and real suffering.

  94. I’m trusting to immunity and resistance for us both. We are rarely sick due to bugs.

    Don’t swim in the liquid herpes!

  95. notafan

    Oh give it a rest struthy

    Human beings chose to develop the places that thy lived in long before governments came along.

    They generally didn’t choose places where it wasn’t possible to get adequate food water and shelter.

    Commonsense, really.

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Uh oh. Arrests outside the Lilyfield venue.

    Hairy very sanguine at this news.
    Oh good, means da police are on da job.

    Just get dressed, I say. And would you like some Kale soup from this pak I’ve just opened?

    I’ve been thinking of an occasion where we could get rid of it; an impulse purchase of mine.
    Nope. He won’t countenance Kale. He’ll have a Tim-Tam or two.
    We’ll come home for rich red steak later. 🙂

  97. johanna

    We are scrupulous about our hygiene on board and are also big fans of probiotics. All too often though you see passengers not washing their hands after using the toilet, or washing them and then using bare hands to open the toilet door, despite the warning signs. We carry hand sanitiser for the times we can’t wash before eating.

    And this never happens at your local mall? Do you use gloves when handling trolleys or baskets? Mind you, you might be taking my approach and never using their toilets except in dire necessity. Although, that’s as much an aesthetic decision as a hygiene-driven one.

    Look, no doubt a lot of cruise ships are at least as clean as the mall. Trouble is, you don’t know until you get onto one which category it is in. And you can’t escape, unlike from the mall.

    There seems to be a problem with some of these ships, and it’s not random. I’ve been using shopping trolleys and baskets from supermarkets, and eating at food courts, for decades without incident. Since a cruise ship is not that different from a shopping mall afloat, how come people keep getting sick?

  98. .

    I hope Milo reaches the level of hyperbolically asymptotically gay and right wing.

  99. Tel

    Hopefully he’ll make Hyper Right by the end of his Aussie tour.

    Sit him down to a few nice strong cups of Sydney black coffee. That should get him hyper.

    I hear Martin Place is a good choice… every outrageous shit stirrer should film at least one YouTube in a Martin Place coffee shop. Last item on you bucket list!

  100. Baldrick

    From the Oz. Why am I left with the idea that this rooster’s country shopping?

    Remember, he’s also getting a minimum of $30k compensation from Oz taxpayers to ease his pain.

  101. Rae

    It went through the Beagle Channel to be precise.

    To be precise it went through the Magellan Strait, Magdalena and Cockburn Channels, didn’t it?

  102. Tel

    I hope Milo reaches the level of hyperbolically asymptotically gay and right wing.

    I have a tendency to go off on a tangent, while everyone else is running in circles.

  103. calli

    Ah bless you, Rae. It’s a sad affliction, bravely bourne.

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Don’t swim in the liquid herpes!

    Now that might be good advice.
    I never go anywhere near public spas and hot tubs.
    Might add the pool on this trip.
    Heading off now for ‘the venue’!!

  105. Infidel Tiger

    Homy shit. Milo tickets are freaking expensive.

    What sort of maniac is parting with money to hear his stuff?

  106. johanna

    Got the time and venue and can get there OK, says Hairy.

    Oh, FFS, will anything ever not be about you?

    A normal person would have said: Got the time and the venue and can get there.

    I wish to God his hair would fall out so that, for a change, we could get TMI about Baldy.

  107. Bruce of Newcastle

    Turnbull goes full red meat, destroys Labor in the House

    Hopefully Shorten will now escalate and refer Turnbull to the HC to determine whether his mum was a British citizen…

    The popcorn shortage would be epic.

  108. Rae

    I’m trusting to immunity and resistance for us both.

    A strict hand sanitizing regime is a better idea. Unless you plan to be the source of the next on-board norovirus outbreak.

  109. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think we went through the Beagle Channel on our trip Calli, before the Straits of Magellan.
    It was foggy. With icebergs.

  110. Baldrick

    The pedantophile strikes again.

  111. candy

    Since a cruise ship is not that different from a shopping mall afloat, how come people keep getting sick?

    In close proximity to each other day in day out and older people with lower immunity.

  112. Rae

    Everyone wants a famous ancestor, Mel.

  113. Baldrick

    Isn’t it time for your can of Fosters Light Ice and Aldi Ersatz Jatz crackers Septimus?

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    From politics to reality TV? Former Tasmanian senator Jacqui Lambie rumoured to be joining I’m A Celebrity… Get Me Out Of Here!

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5146257/Jacqui-Lambie-appear-Im-Celebrity.html#ixzz50N2VdmUD
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    She’ll be able to employ the bushcraft and survival skills she learned in the Army, surely?

  115. testpattern

    Plenty of water resources for dams, hydro and ag in the Pilbara, Kimberleys and NT

    http://re100.eng.anu.edu.au/research/re/site/wa.php

  116. Rae

    Milo tickets are freaking expensive

    $89 last time I looked. Paul McCartney tickets are $250.

  117. Top Ender

    Well, have done the sums and so today we put in our solar array.

    6.5 kilowatts produced by 23 panels. Took three tradies the whole day. Not a job I’d do for quids: up there on a metal roof; 35 degrees and 90% humidity.

    The system is now humming away, producing electricity. The best part is seeing the meter wheel going backwards, showing it is pumping electricity back into the grid. If over a year this means we use less power than we produce, we get a credit.

    Having done the sums, it will pay for itself in around four years, but then again we don’t use much, with the environmentally-conscious teenagers having left home. My old hobby of walking around turning off lights and fans in empty rooms is a shadow of its former self.

    Should have preferred a nuclear reactor, so i could sell power to the entire suburb for megabucks, but for some reason that’s not allowed.

  118. calli

    Pretty much all of us have a famous ancestor, immortalised in Lego.

  119. Alfred

    What sort of maniac is parting with money to hear his stuff?

    Homosexuals and Zionists tend to have large disposable incomes. I expect there is also a fair amount of overlap between those two groups.

  120. egg_

    Whenever Clam opens her disgusting piehole to use her “small dick” line she should be gently reminded that not all ladies have a vagina like the inside of a pig farmers welly boot, complete with shitty bits, stink and size.

    Just a man-hatin’ feminist’s general male put down – because of the natural bell curve, we all can’t be ‘big’ and no matter how good you are, there’s always someone better; shifting female insecurity/vanity onto males.
    Feminism 101

  121. Plenty of water resources for dams, hydro and ag in the Pilbara, Kimberleys and NT

    And East Gippsland and Northern QLD (and Cape York especially)

  122. H B Bear

    Testes did you get PTSD when you married into the Aboriginal Industry?

  123. Baldrick

    Homosexuals and Zionists tend to have large disposable incomes.

    Is it a Bird? Is it a plane?
    No, it’s just Bird.

  124. Oh come on

    What we have heard is that the great biggest cruise ship of all on which we intend to travel this week is in Hobart having put off 200 passengers with Rotavirus, i.e. dysentery. They are cleaning it now and will disinfect it thoroughly again on Thursday when all passengers are off and it arrives back in Sydney. May be a late departure.

    Why? Why?? Why??? Would you do this to yourself?

    I can see why Grigory has such an affinity for cruise ships. He is also very good at giving people the shits.

  125. Bruce in WA

    Since a cruise ship is not that different from a shopping mall afloat, how come people keep getting sick?

    I’m not a medico so I have no real idea, but norovirus seems to run rampant in aged care facilities. And we really don’t know how many people get sick after being at the shopping centre, because they go home.

    Yes, I only use the public dunnies out of sheer necessity, too.

  126. Bruce of Newcastle

    Plenty of water resources for dams, hydro and ag in the Pilbara, Kimberleys and NT

    TP – Fuggetaboudit. Can’t even build a dam because of “climate change” these days.

    Tillegra Dam proposal

    Tillegra Dam was a proposed dam on the Williams River to be located 20 km (12 mi) northwest of Dungog

    Community opposition and changing needs saw the end of the proposal in November 2010. Hunter Water Corporation divested itself of its Tillegra landholding in 2015, permanently ending the proposal.

    The justification for the dam was based primarily on climate change and population growth in the Hunter Region.

    Then also in 2015 we had this:

    Lowest Lower Hunter dam levels in a decade (Jan 2015)

    LOWER Hunter dam levels have dropped to their lowest summer point in a decade.

    Reduced rainfall means levels in Hunter Water’s four storages – Chichester, Grahamstown, Tomago and Anna Bay – have continued to fall over the past year.

    Which gets me to the present:

    Desalination plant plan for Belmont (last Tuesday)

    A DESALINATION plant would be built at Belmont as part of an ‘on the shelf’ insurance policy proposed by Hunter Water in case unprecedented drought were to hit the region.

    Amazing.
    Totally and utterly stupid, insane and incompetent.
    That is what green politics gets you.

  127. johanna

    Baldrick
    #2576410, posted on December 5, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    Rae
    #2576387, posted on December 5, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    Fuck off GrigoRae

    You can add mine to every time Baldrick gives the sleazebag a well-deserved kick in the raisins.

  128. calli

    I thought you’d spot my (unacknowledged) quote from the Divine Agatha, Joh. A Murder is Announced, I think. 😀

  129. thefrollickingmole

    egg_

    “Im not saying its big, but it can fill a pram”

  130. Top Ender

    Milo Time!

    Two protesters have been arrested by NSW Police after a small group of about 20 people turned up in Sydney’s innerwest to push back at alt right commentator Milo Yiannopoulos.

    The conservative showman was speaking at an event at Le Montage in Lilyfield this evening when protesters arrived, although they were outnumbered by 100 police from the riot squad and officers on horseback.

    Streets were closed off around the venue.

    Protesters chanted “racist, sexist, anti-queer, Milo is not welcome here” before one man was involved in a scuffle with a police officer.

    Protests at the speaker’s Melbourne event turned violent on Monday night when far-left and far-right groups clashed in a fracas that saw about five police officers injured and hundreds more brought in to restore peace.

    The event is underway.

  131. Bruce in WA

    Her (pointing and laughing): “Hahahahahaha! Who do you think you’re going to satisfy with that?”

    Him: Me

  132. cohenite

    feelthebern

    #2576412, posted on December 5, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    Everyone who is cheering on Milo now, will be a little sheepish in a couple of years when he’s found hanging out of something he shouldn’t be hanging out of.

    He says things which needs to be said such as islam is evil and incompatible with Western/modern society, feminists are hypocrites, the left are destructive parasites, economic policy should not be profligate. He says these things with panache and as, every thing being equal, a fully paid up member of the groups he eviscerates.

  133. Nick

    She’ll be able to employ the bushcraft and survival skills she learned in the Army, surely?

    Lambies’s bush? Shudder.

  134. Oh come on

    Well, here’s a rarity …
    Turnbull goes full red meat, destroys Labor in the House …

    As I said before, one area where the Abbott govt absolutely dominated the opposition was during QT. QT is important. It’s where the public sees the vast majority of parliamentary action. What happens during QT often hits the news that night. If the govt has the opposition’s measure, it’s a big help. If the opposition creams the govt on a regular basis, the govt appears shoddy and shambolic. Shorten and Burke have been wearing Team Turnbull’s testicles as jewellery since he punted Abbott. It shows. I don’t see Turnbull wrestling back QT bar the occasional victory.

  135. Oh come on

    Well, here’s a rarity …
    Turnbull goes full red meat, destroys Labor in the House …

    As I said before, one area where the Abbott govt absolutely dominated the opposition was during QT. QT is important. It’s where the public sees the vast majority of parliamentary action. What happens during QT often hits the news that night. If the govt has the opposition’s measure, it’s a big help. If the opposition creams the govt on a regular basis, the govt appears shoddy and shambolic. Shorten and Burke have been wearing Team Turnbull’s testicles as j3wellery since he punted Abbott. It shows. I don’t see Turnbull wrestling back QT bar the occasional victory.

  136. johanna

    Hairy very sanguine at this news.

    What next? Hairy farted? Hairy reminded me of how I was the best thing that ever happened to him? Hairy is paying for [ … ] but my feminine wiles have persuaded him to do what I want?

    Time to have another go at Shelley, Hun, if you dare. Or me.

    Alas, Daily Life is missing a valued contributor.

  137. cohenite

    I must say the idiots protesting against our Milo are a motley bunch including the vile roz ward and fat ladies in burqas:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5145891/Milo-Yiannopoulos-protest-includes-Safe-Schools-founder.html#i-4c39566680ae13c1

  138. Oh come on

    Milo billed youngsters – young as in 16 and under, IIRC – half price. He likes to claim that much of his audience are of that demographic. Did anyone notice a large number of spotty teens at his show?

  139. Bruce in WA

    Editorial from the Age:

    Milo Yiannopoulos, a young British journalist whose extreme, irrational views and ego-laden speaking performances excite and incite neo-Nazis and misogynists, is a ridiculous fraud. He claims to be a libertarian, but is merely a public bully and fool intent on depriving others of their cultural and social liberties. He has reportedly suggested that it is fine for adults to have sex with children.

    His Australian tour is sponsored by Damien Costas, who runs an outfit called Filthy Gorgeous Production, holder of the publishing rights to Penthouse Australia, that bastion of respect for women.

    The Melbourne event sparked grotesque violence when supporters and opponents clashed outside the venue at which he delivered his usual risible tirade against women, Indigenous people, Muslims and journalists who have actually earned respect – rather than infamy for provocation and self-promotion that is needy to the point of pathological. He sits on stage, laughably sporting sunglasses, on a Harley-Davidson motorcycle.

    The Age covered his Melbourne appearance because it caused such violent unrest, and is publishing this editorial because ridicule, not rioting, is the best way to counter absurd and vicious views.

    He’s not a political commentator, he’s a joke. A feeble, second-rate joke. He righteously cloaks himself in the lightweight, disingenuous assertion that he’s all about free speech. No, he’s all about hate speech. Authentic libertarians stress that rights come with responsibilities. This appears not to have registered with Yiannopoulos, 33, who also spoke in a meeting room at Federal Parliament to a small group, including a number from One Nation, at the witless invitation of libertarian senator David Leyonhjelm, who debased his own currency by promoting someone who spouts such vile views.

    Yiannopoulos claims domestic violence, the leading preventable cause of illness and death for Australian women aged 15 to 45, is not a “gendered problem”, and that men are victims as often as women. He decries feminism – which is strange, as feminism is about liberty and equity, values he would like to think he shares. He was sacked by Breitbart News – an extreme propaganda US website that fans the social and economic disillusion behind the election of Donald Trump – after he was widely perceived to have suggested it is acceptable for older men to have sex with teenage boys.

    Many felt he should not have been granted a visa. That would merely have martyred him; better to let him come here and demonstrate what a pathetic joke he is. Australia cherishes free speech, and has robust laws to protect it. We also have laws that give those who feel they have been defamed or are the victims of hate speech the means to strike back. (And I’d love to see MY use those same laws against this clod.)

    Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed troll – someone who uses outrageous claims, racist slurs and vilification to provoke a response. His speaking visit is called the Troll Academy Tour. Those who are supporting him on stage in the role of master of ceremonies might think they are standing up for free speech, but they are merely gormless twits being used by a stupid narcissist. They themselves are being trolled, but fail to see the irony.

    Yiannopoulos is a spouter of outmoded, debunked prejudice. He’s just a small man with a big mouth.

    (That’s the whole thing.)

  140. Oh come on

    I wouldn’t pay $90 to hear Milo, personally. I’m glad he’s out there slaughtering the country’s holy cows (‘Aboriginal art is shit’ – priceless!), as maybe it’ll inspire others to at least be a little more objective about such things. But I don’t need to be there in person to hear it, and I’ve got better things to spend my money on.

  141. stackja

    Bruce in WA
    #2576516, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:18 pm
    Editorial from the Age:

    Age wearisome.

  142. Oh come on

    That Age editorial isn’t fit for a uni guild magazine, let alone a broadsheet. It’s just mostly unsubstantiated bile.

  143. stackja

    cohenite
    #2576512, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    Roz/Ross seeking a safe space?

  144. zyconoclast

    Labor MP David Feeney says he will soon ask to have his place in Parliament referred to the High Court

    Apparently he can’t find his renunciation papers.

    David Feeney has form.
    Do you remember his house that he forgot?

  145. Alfred

    He says things which needs to be said such as islam is evil

    That’s a pretty radical statement. Got any evidence to back up your claims? And before you say the taking of innocent lives let me remind you that western governments have killed far more civilians that any terrorist group.

    Maybe you need to get out of your comfort zone and actually meet a few Muslims. When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people. Additionally they were completely non-political while all my white friends were insufferable leftists and social justice warriors.

  146. johanna

    Just north of Alice is the Tropic of Capricorn, and just north of that a few hundred k’s they call it the Never Never.
    This is the start of the dry tropics, of which most of northern Australia is.
    This means it floods in the wet season over an area many many times the size of Tassie, a good third of the continent nearly, if that’s the measurement you are using, and is lost to massive river systems every year.
    To say the outback hasn’t an available water supply is verging on ignorance, but one we are used to hearing from southerners with some romantic vision of a 1870’s outback.

    Do you really think we don’t have the ability to harness this water?
    What planet are you on?
    Just north of Alice is the Tropic of Capricorn, and just north of that a few hundred k’s they call it the Never Never.
    This is the start of the dry tropics, of which most of northern Australia is.
    This means it floods in the wet season over an area many many times the size of Tassie, a good third of the continent nearly, if that’s the measurement you are using, and is lost to massive river systems every year.
    To say the outback hasn’t an available water supply is verging on ignorance, but one we are used to hearing from southerners with some romantic vision of a 1870’s outback.

    Do you really think we don’t have the ability to harness this water?
    What planet are you on?

    It’s just like the Green Energy Dreamtime.

    Of course it is technologically possible. It just doesn’t make economic sense. Not slightly, a borderline case. Not at all.

    Still, people love this stuff, it captures the imagination. In the fairytale version, just spend a few billion dollars, and the deserts will bloom! It’s just like watering your suburban flowerbed.
    Pig’s arse it is.

  147. Oh come on

    Hey, where is m0nty? Remember on the weekend he suddenly appeared, claiming the Flynn plea deal was bigger than Watergate? We all laughed and predicted rakes a-plenty. And verily, rakes have come to pass. Where is m0nty??

  148. Nick

    The ‘right’ activists are smart staying away from Milo’s event. Let’s show the Left in all their glory.

  149. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #2576521, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    Hon David Feeney MP
    Qualifications and occupation before entering Federal Parliament
    MPPM (Monash).
    Federal Industrial Officer, Transport Workers’ Union 1994-98.
    ALP State Secretary and Campaign Director (Vic.) 1999-2002.
    Director of Strategy, Office of the Premier of Victoria, the Hon. SP Bracks, MLA 2003-04.
    ALP Campaign Director (SA) 2005-06.
    ALP Assistant National Secretary 2005-08.

  150. Geriatric Mayfly

    Great cover for Private Eye years ago of the Thatchers disembarking their plane in the Falklands. Maggie half way down the steps, Denis at the top all smiles and pointing, “There’s the boozer over there.”

  151. stackja

    Who is Alf? The words are familiar.

  152. Bruce of Newcastle

    He says things which needs to be said such as islam is evil

    That’s a pretty radical statement. Got any evidence to back up your claims?

    Here you go Alfred. This is from last night:

    Here’s an example of our “shared values” with Islam (Blazing Cat Fur)

    Looks pretty evil to me.

  153. johanna

    The joke is on Johanna – coastal cities struggled to get fresh water at the start of white settlement.

    Dot, stop making a further goose of yourself.

    We were talking about natural features and long term settlement, and suddenly you complain that the early settlers didn’t have dams, or something.

    You are going to make a lousy lawyer. Almost any Cat/Kitteh here could skewer you in minutes.

  154. Tom

    What sort of maniac is parting with money to hear his stuff?

    People who are starved of commonsense by the khundtocracy, IT.

    Splendid post at 6.11pm, Lizzie. Look forward to your report.

  155. zyconoclast

    Doesn’t seem to bother the Israelis too much.

    If course it doesn’t bother them Germany is still paying for WWII.

    Holocaust Reparations
    Germany to Pay 772 Million Euros to Survivors

    GERMANY TO PAY $250 MILLION TO CHILD HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS

  156. stackja

    Nick
    #2576525, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:27 pm
    The ‘right’ activists are smart staying away from Milo’s event. Let’s show the Left in all their glory.

    Some leftists may pretend to be ‘right’ activists.

  157. Shy Ted

    The only intergenerational PTSD Aborigines suffer from is being Permanently Totally Shitfaced Drunk.

  158. zyconoclast

    The real Holocaust is one thing but the fake Holocaust memories are just a shakedown.
    A bit like aboriginal PTSD and sacred sites. Just a scam.

    Yet Another Writer Has Admitted Faking Her Holocaust Memoir

    Man who claimed to have escaped Auschwitz admits he lied for years

    Holocaust ‘greatest’ love story a hoax

  159. Nick

    FMD I can’t wait till the karma bus hits the odious wretch:

    Christopher Pyne is set for a showdown with the PM after saying he will oppose any religious safeguards being put in the SSM bill.

  160. H B Bear

    Apparently he can’t find his renunciation papers.
    David Feeney has form.

    Time serving Liars trougher. An excellent discard if he gets s44ed.

    No doubt his fellow troughers will be lining up for a place at the big trough.

  161. Baldrick

    Here you go OCO. Plenty of youngens lined up in Melbornistad last night.

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If course it doesn’t bother them Germany is still paying for WWII.

    Just remind me, how many billions a year does Australia pay Aborigines?

  163. Geriatric Mayfly

    Apparently he can’t find his renunciation papers.
    David Feeney has form.
    Time serving Liars trougher. An excellent discard if he gets s44ed.

    Didn’t he arrive on the green leather by parachute? And again what was kerfuffle about property he owned?

  164. zyconoclast

    Lambies’s bush? Shudder.

    #1
    #2

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A bit like aboriginal PTSD and sacred sites. Just a scam.

    A bit like “secret women’s business?”

  166. Siltstone

    Oh come on
    #2576519, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:22 pm
    That Age editorial isn’t fit for a uni guild magazine, let alone a broadsheet. It’s just mostly unsubstantiated bile.

    In contrast to the The Age, and the ALPBC, our other tax-sink public broadcaster SBS seems almost normal in reporting Milo.
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/12/05/racism-gay-rights-milo-yiannopoulos-speaks-parliament-after-labor-greens-try-ban

  167. cohenite

    Alfred

    #2576522, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    He says things which needs to be said such as islam is evil

    That’s a pretty radical statement. Got any evidence to back up your claims? And before you say the taking of innocent lives let me remind you that western governments have killed far more civilians that any terrorist group.

    Maybe you need to get out of your comfort zone and actually meet a few Muslims. When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people. Additionally they were completely non-political while all my white friends were insufferable leftists and social justice warriors.

    People in the West, especially SJWs and the left misunderstand islam; islam only does 2 things: firstly it kills, converts or taxes the infidels with the jizya. Secondly it oppresses muslims; the greatest sin in islam is apostasy.

    Islam has no interest in conforming to Western values. As the % of muslims increase in the non-muslim host country so does resistance to Western values:

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/muslim-demographics-and-how-it-changes-society/

    This is based on Peter Hammond’s book “Slavery, Terrorism & Islam: Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat”.

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.

    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.

    What you met at uni and were too self-absorbed to notice were either doing Taqiyya and Kitman or they were part of professor Kessler’s 15%:

    Among Muslims worldwide today, about 10 to 15 per cent, it may be suggested, are modernist, reform-minded and democratic; perhaps another 10 to 15 per cent are militant, radical, extreme and potentially active in violent forms.

    Between these two clusters, the 70 per cent in the middle represent what may be called conventional or quasi-traditional Islam.

    The question is: what is the relation of the views of the radical extreme to those of the centrist mainstream? Are they opposed, a deviationist breakaway, or are they basically identical, or at least complementary?

    It would be reassuring if things were otherwise, but the basic facts are clear. Like the radical fringe or fundamentalist extreme, the Muslim mainstream adheres to, through explicit affirmation or by unreflecting habitual assent, the same underlying propositions that constitute the radical and militant world view. Like that of the militants, their Islam, or view of it, is basically supersessionist.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/deradicalisation-of-militant-muslims-not-a-viable-option/news-story/2d4d2d31df9dcbdeef8bc43f1f8d611b

    I’m afraid you a lot to learn about islam.

  168. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Aly might find herself in trouble

    WA Labor MP Anne Aly has provided a letter from the Egyptian embassy dated July 31, 2017, confirming she applied to “relinquish her Egyptian nationality” on May 4, 2016.

    The document says nothing about whether or not her request was approved, and the July 31 date was long after the July 2 election, casting doubt over her eligibility at the time of nomination.

    Professor Aly was born in Egypt to Egyptian parents.

    From the Oz. Please let it be so…

  169. Infidel Tiger

    Section 44 is of course the greatest piece of legislation ever drafted.

  170. Roger

    From the Oz. Please let it be so…

    Oh yes…please!

  171. Eyrie

    “Just remind me, how many billions a year does Australia pay Aborigines?”

    More than enough to have long ago paid out any land claims.

  172. stackja

    cohenite
    #2576548, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    Alf is not interested in any such teaching.

  173. northshore redneck

    Milo update.

    Smelly protestors vastly out numbered by police. No scuffles to be had.

    Large mixed crowd, all look washed and employed.

    Rubbish venue, Milo not yet on stage

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shorten renounced British citizenship in 2010

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten officially renounced his British citizenship just three days before nominations closed for the 2010 election.

    Mr Shorten’s letter from the British Home Office shows the UK registered his renunciation on July 26. Nominations closed on July 29.

    Mr Shorten inherited British citizenship from his UK-born father.

    From the Oz. When was Bill Shorten first elected to Parliament?

  175. Boambee John

    Zulu at 1826

    Doesn’t seem to bother the Israelis too much.

    Or the descendants of those torn from their famikies and all that was familiar to them and sent to permanent exile in the alien environment of Australia, be it as convicts or as guards/administrators.

  176. Nick

    Professor Aly was born in Egypt to Egyptian parents.

    Lmao, but apart from that, no suspicion as to dual nationality at all, no siree. Lol

  177. OldOzzie

    Andrew Bolt nails it tonight on the Bolt Show

    “LINO” – “Liberals In Name Only” for Senator Jane Hume and the Turnbull Coalition

    OI

    The Turnbullisation of the Liberals continues. Attention-seeking Liberal senator Jane Hume on Milo Yiannopoulos: “I can’t understand what all the fuss is with Milo… Young man, swaggers into Canberra, attention seeking, saying outrageous things and appeasing the far right and getting some media coverage. Sounds like the Coalition partyroom.”

    Let me just correct three words in Hume’s statement to make it more reflective of our politics:

    I can’t understand what all the fuss is with Jane… Young woman, swaggers into Canberra, attention seeking, saying outrageous things and appeasing the Left and getting some media coverage. Sounds like the Coalition partyroom.

    For a Liberal not to get the fuss about Milo – and the 14,000 tickets sold to libertarians and conservatives around the country – explains perfectly why the Liberals are losing members and donations.

  178. Roger

    I’ll be charitable… I see Linda Burney is still under a misapprehension as to when she became an Australian citizen and is suffering “hurt” as a result being asked to declare her citizenship. Can someone in parliament please disabuse the poor thing so she no longer has to suffer this unnecessary hurt?

  179. Shy Ted

    Well, they did warn us. ABC were going to have a channel dedicated to comedy, ABC type comedy, the type that fails to make you laugh, smirk of even faintly titter. Here’s the promo for something called Kiki and Kitty – Keen to make friends in her new job, Kiki spends a drunken night with them. The next morning, (Yes they put a coma there), she finds a glamorous stranger in her room claiming to be her vagina. Kiki turns to Nan for an Aboriginal ritual to make Kitty go.
    Comedy genius.
    Mind you, when I worked in Aboriginal communities the ritual to make Kitty go went something like this, “Puck off you white xunt” where the x is really a c.

  180. Infidel Tiger

    We are either a nation of laws or we are nothing. All must show their papers.

  181. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2576556, posted on December 5, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    Elected to the House of Representatives for Maribyrnong, Victoria, 2007, 2010, 2013 and 2016. Ministerial appointments.

    Three years too late?

  182. zyconoclast

    Three years too late?

    He was an illegal for his first term then OK after that.
    A bit like Barnaby Joyce is now OK.

  183. Chris

    All must show their papers.

    Bitte sie.

  184. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #2576566, posted on December 5, 2017 at 8:13 pm
    Three years too late?

    He was an illegal for his first term then OK after that.
    A bit like Barnaby Joyce is now OK.

    He was illegal!

  185. Makka

    Maybe you need to get out of your comfort zone and actually meet a few Muslims. When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people.

    That sentence right exposes you as a complete fkwit. You don’t have a clue about islam.

  186. Rae

    Shorten produced ages ago a letter from the UK Home Office proving that he renounced his British citizenship on 15 May 2006 and that his renunciation was approved on 26 June 2006.

  187. cohenite

    stackja

    #2576554, posted on December 5, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    cohenite
    #2576548, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    Alf is not interested in any such teaching.

    I sorta got that impression when he said:

    When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people.

    That irritates me, it happens so often; all the muslims I know are

    really friendly

    says someone; so what: every muslim dominated country in the world is a hell-hole but hey, some guy knows some friendly muslims.

    I’m reassured.

  188. H B Bear

    We are either a nation of laws or we are nothing. All must show their papers.

    More mongrels in Canberra than Crufts.

  189. stackja

    cohenite
    #2576572, posted on December 5, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    I’m not reassured by Alf .

  190. calli

    The headline says it all.

    They really don’t like alternative voices do they?

    Yawn.

  191. stackja

    2GB news person at Milo event sounds like typical MSM.

  192. Alfred

    I’m afraid you a lot to learn about islam.

    OK I’ll ignore my actual real world experience and instead form my opinions based on some agenda-driven turd’s book.

  193. stackja

    calli
    #2576575, posted on December 5, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    ABC is DEF.

  194. stackja

    Alf referring to the ‘merged’ book?

  195. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people.

    Tell that the iraqi christian who had their lovely muslim neighbours turn on them when the chips were down.

  196. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    christians

  197. Infidel Tiger

    When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people.

    There are hundreds of millions of good Muslims. There is no good Islam.

    Someone can have cancer and be worth saving. Cancer is not something we should encourage.

  198. Chris

    Someone can have cancer and be worth saving. Cancer is not something we should encourage.

    Rabies, too.

  199. cohenite

    Alfred

    #2576578, posted on December 5, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    I’m afraid you a lot to learn about islam.

    OK I’ll ignore my actual real world experience and instead form my opinions based on some agenda-driven turd’s book.

    Wow, you get angry quickly. Are you a muslim?

  200. Top Ender

    A man has been stabbed in Hobart and his attacker is on the run.

    A 29-year-old was hospitalised with non-life threatening injuries after being attacked by a 25-year-old man at Bridgewater on Tuesday afternoon.

    Both men know each other and police say the incident was an isolated one.

    Bridgewater – one of the best bogan suburbs in Tassie. Doubtless related to each other.

  201. rickw

    When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people.

    Clearly you never had a discussion with the about Israel or J e w s?

    In my experience even nice muslims can’t help but bare their fangs over these two topics.

  202. Tel

    Professor Aly was born in Egypt to Egyptian parents.

    If this website is correct then presuming Professor Aly has Australian citizenship then she would have automatically lost Egyptian citizenship at the same time.

    http://www.thefullwiki.org/Egyptian_Nationality_Law

    Citizenship Forfeit

    An Egyptian National may voluntarily forfeit his/her citizenship by acquiring a foreign nationality except after obtaining a permission therefore, to be issued by decree of the Minister of Interior. In this case, the Egyptian shall forfeit the Egyptian nationality, if he/she has been permitted to obtain the foreign nationality.

    However, Egypt has gone through some political flip-flops so rules might have changed. Also, the above site might be wrong. There’s a few special cases of Dual Citizenship which probably do not apply here.

  203. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Has anyone seen testes?
    Sexyland Moorabbin burglar steals $4500 sex doll
    A MASKED man broke into a Victorian sex store and steal “the perfect companion for lonely nights” — a 168cm titanium alloy knockout named Dorothy.

  204. Tel

    Re-reading that, it would appear that the Egyptian government actually demands that it’s citizens seen permission from Egypt before they are allowed to take any foreign citizenship. If Professor Aly never got that permission then it might be an interesting situation… Egypt would still claim her, and Egypt would not recognize her Australian citizenship.

  205. Geriatric Mayfly

    ABC type comedy, the type that fails to make you laugh, smirk of even faintly titter.

    And in case you missed your eyeballs with a fork the first time, they will run endless repeats of these comedic treasures.

  206. Chris

    I’m afraid you a lot to learn about islam.

    OK I’ll ignore my actual real world experience and instead form my opinions based on some agenda-driven turd’s book.

    Excellent. We judge the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the Saudi Police for the Encouragement of Virtue and Suppression of Vice, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Islamic Brotherhood, the PLO, Hezbollah and IS.

    On the one hand, approximately 2 million dead or maimed, and perhaps five countries reduced to war-torn hell-holes addicted to corruption, murder, clan conflict, suppression of human rights and rape.

    On the other, several innocent people, co-religionist uni students in a foreign country for their own education and enjoyment, were friendly to a native of that country.

  207. H B Bear

    When I was at Uni I had several Muslims friends and you could never meet a nicer group of people.

    Muzzies are the perfect example of the fallacy of composition.

  208. Infidel Tiger

    Egypt would still claim her, and Egypt would not recognize her Australian citizenship.

    Egypt and I would agree.

  209. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL BREAKING NEWS
    Born-again Green out to combat inequality

    Matt Coughlan
    Australian Associated Press
    7:32PM December 5, 2017
    Save

    Politics has gotten nastier and stupider since former Democrats leader Andrew Bartlett was reborn as a Greens senator.

    That was Queenslander’s view in his “first speech” to the Senate on Tuesday, which he pointed out was actually his 4532nd speech to parliament.

    Senator Bartlett sat in parliament between 1998 and 2007, before re-entering the upper house last month following Larissa Waters’ disqualification for holding dual citizenship.

    “I do find politics as conducted by mainstream pollies and many in the mainstream media nastier, stupider and with less effort given by many to even pretend to care about whether their statements are true or not” he said.

    Senator Bartlett’s believes parliament’s focus should be to empower people rather than the “corporate and monied elites” which he says have controlled politics for so long.

    Addressing inequality ranks high among his concerns, as he seeks to fix a “broken political system” flush with donations.

    “Inequality means there are more empty units in Brisbane than people without homes,” Senator Bartlett said.

    “These things are not caused by mysterious economic forces outside of politics, all of these things are a direct results of decisions made by parliaments.”

    From the Oz. Stand by for a wealth tax, and death duties..it’s da inequallidy, I’m telling you…

  210. Arky

    johanna
    #2576437, posted on December 5, 2017 at 6:23 pm
    You don’t get it, never will.

    ..
    Settle down Sparky.
    I paid my $90 and will call it like I see it.

  211. Tel

    Egypt and I would agree.

    Special day for you, finding someone to agree with… and so early on in the evening.

  212. .

    johanna
    #2576531, posted on December 5, 2017 at 7:36 pm
    The joke is on Johanna – coastal cities struggled to get fresh water at the start of white settlement.

    Dot, stop making a further goose of yourself.

    We were talking about natural features and long term settlement, and suddenly you complain that the early settlers didn’t have dams, or something.

    You are going to make a lousy lawyer. Almost any Cat/Kitteh here could skewer you in minutes.

    No sorry Johanna, you are dead wrong.

    You have been wrong on every point relating to this matter.

    You have been shown to be demonstrably wrong on every point.

    Your straw man comparing Australian dams to the largest limnal complex in the world (Great Lakes) was just bizarre.

    You even went so far to suggest that farmer’s wives were “subsidised” when they used bore water to water their garden. You have a fantasy about Australia never being developed.

    This is green propaganda. No one is buying.

    If I am going to be a lousy lawyer, great. A career on the bench or in academia awaits.

    If you could be bothered to look into the substantive facts of the matter; the ANU study on new dam sites (focusing on hydropower only) in WA shows capacity for nearly 16,000 GL of new water resources.

  213. Alfred

    every muslim dominated country in the world is a hell-hole but hey, some guy knows some friendly muslims.

    So Malaysia and Turkey and Iran are all hellholes? I think you’ll find they have quite orderly and civilized societies. Of course they lack the gay pride parades and radical feminism we enjoy here in the west but you can’t have everything. The Islamic nations that are hellholes tend to be the ones that have had thousands of tons of bombs dropped on them courtesy of the west.

    Seriously this paranoia on the right about the Islam is unhinged and not based in reality.

  214. Top Ender

    The next Olympics will be held in Bridgwater!

    Tasmania’s sunny Bridgewater, some 30 kilometres up the Derwent from Hobart, has been chosen for the next Olympics. With work already begun on the Village, locals are hoping international attention on their flat, burn-out, arson-ravaged, filthy streets will soon be bringing in a river of gold. Now read on for the events…

    OPENING CEREMONY – The Olympic flame will be ignited by a petrol bomb thrown by a native of the Town wearing traditional flannelette shirt, jeans and moccasins with his defacto wearing the traditional floral leggings and short top with oversized stomach.

    THE EVENTS

    100 METRE SPRINT – Competitors will have to hold a DVD player under one arm and a microwave under the other. On the sound of the starting pistol, a Police Dog will be released 10 metres behind the athletes. The winner is the athlete who does not drop the loot, does not get bitten, and who elbows off other competitors for first place.

    100 METRE HURDLES – As above with the added obstacles of car bonnets, hedges, garden fences and walls.

    HAMMER THROW – Competitors in this event may choose the type of hammer they wish to throw (claw, sledge etc). The winner will be the one who can cause the most grievous bodily harm to members of the public within the timeframe allowed.

    SHOTPUTT – Competitors will be asked to carry a large boulder of concrete up onto a highway overpass and lob it at passing cars. Awards based on actual fatalities caused.

    CENTRELINK SPECIAL. Athletes must leap a counter, throttle a Centrelink dummy (finger marks must be made), and then read aloud a 250 word prepared speech demanding money and the phrase “because it’s my right” five times. (Disability assistance in the form of a radio earpiece will be given to athletes who can’t read.)

    SHOOTING EVENTS – A strong challenge is expected from the men in this event. The first target will be a moving Police vehicle, the second target will consist of running Bank Tellers, Video store attendants and 24 hr service station attendants.

    BOXING – Entry to the boxing will be restricted to husband & wife teams and will take place on Friday night. The husband will be given 15 pots of Cascade at the local pub followed by a quick peek at the lap-dancing venue. The wife will be told not to make him any dinner when he gets home. She will be wearing bike pants, boob tube and thongs. In special new diversity rules, the winner is the one left standing after boxing has taken place.

    SYNCHRONISED SWIMMING – A special event given Bridgewater’s proximity to the Derwent. Athletes must EITHER drink 10 cans of Boags OR two bottles of Fruity Lexia. They then must swim the river in groups of five. Points given for coming last; being bitten by swans, or being hit by a tourist craft, in recognition of the local aboriginal rituals.

    CYCLING – The competitors will attend the nominated Bridgewater skateboard area where they will obtain a bicycle stolen from a private school student. They will then be racing against the clock. Bonus points will be awarded should a helmet be obtained at time of theft.

    MODERN PENTATHLON – Amended to include Robbery with Violence, Burglary, Unlawful Use of a Motor Vehicle, Arson, and Wilful Exposure.

    MENS 50km WALK – This event has been cancelled as organisers cannot guarantee the safety of anyone walking the streets of Bridgewater. There may be an amended 50m biathlon walk which will combine walking and piddling in the traditional style.

    GYMNASTICS – The traditional 4-inch beam will be replaced by the strip of gutter outside the Exchange Hotel. This event will commence at closing time when we expect some extremely difficult dismounts to be performed on the apparatus. The floor routines will held directly after this event at the Town Police Watchhouse.

    CLOSING CEREMONY – Entertainment will include the local all-white aboriginal group accompanied by other local dole bludgers/artists well known within the area. The Olympic flame will be extinguished by the local identities urinating from the local spire in a cascading effect. The stadium will then be boarded up, before local athletes and entertainers break into it and remove all copper piping, light fittings and air conditioners.

  215. H B Bear

    Has the quality of trolling been particularly low today?

  216. cohenite

    So Malaysia and Turkey and Iran are all hellholes? I think you’ll find they have quite orderly and civilized societies. Of course they lack the gay pride parades and radical feminism we enjoy here in the west but you can’t have everything. The Islamic nations that are hellholes tend to be the ones that have had thousands of tons of bombs dropped on them courtesy of the west.

    Please say some more, you are very entertaining. I especially like your theme that islam is the West’s fault. Are you Duncan Lewis?

  217. Boambee John

    Phillipa

    Congratulations on your excellent article in Quadrant, now available online.

  218. Makka

    So Malaysia and Turkey and Iran are all hellholes?

    You’ve lived there? No, thought not. Clueless.

  219. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The next Olympics will be held in Bridgwater!

    A guest appearance by Corporal Jacqui Lambie, RACMP (resigned) Senate (chucked out)?

  220. old bloke

    Mr Shorten’s letter from the British Home Office shows the UK registered his renunciation on July 26. Nominations closed on July 29.

    Even if Shorten renounced his British citizenship prior to entering Parliament (questionable), has he also renounced his Irish citizenship he inherited through his maternal grandfather?

    The Governor General is not doing his job, our parliament is a joke, our legislators include foreigners who should not be there. The Governor General must prorogue Parliament and order an AEC audit of all members.

    This situation must be resolved now, the Governor General must act to restore confidence in our Parliament.

  221. OldOzzie

    Labor deserve to be condemned for hypocrisy over citizenship saga

    Labor has blown its credibility and integrity on the citizenship issue by hiding doubtful ALP Parliamentarians while demanding Coalition MPs reveal their papers and go to the High Court.

    David Feeney’s admission he will have to go to the High Court and Senator Katy Gallagher’s delayed admission make a mockery of Labor’s self-righteous demands of the Coalition.

    When Labor was demanding Barnaby Joyce not even be heard in the House of Representatives and voting for him to be silenced David Feeney was one of those voting and knew he didn’t have his own citizenship clearance.

    Labor’s delay could be fatal for Feeney who doesn’t face a threat from the Liberals in his safe Melbourne seat of Batman but could well be beaten by the Greens who have just won the state by-election of Northcote within the federal electorate.

    There are of course questions about some Liberal MPs but most of these have been aired before and John Alexander, in the same boat as Feeney, is already going to a by-election on Saturday, giving the Coalition the moral high ground on citizenship.

    t is clear there are questions about at least six sitting MPs from all sides but the Labor seats under threat could well be lost to other parties while the Liberals could pick up the Nick Xenophon seat of Mayo in South Australia.

    There will be uncertainty and there will likely be a mini-election in February or March but for now Labor stands condemned for hypocrisy.

  222. Infidel Tiger

    The Governor General has proven to be a vacillating wifflebat and should be dismissed by the Queen for not upholding our Constitution. A disgrace.

  223. John Constantine

    Buffel grass was mentioned this afternoon as an innovation that aided development of Australia’s arid pastoral zone.

    Didn’t have the heart then but must mention now:

    Their south Australian. Government has declared buffel grass a weed, their greens are campaigning for biological control of buffel.

    Deindustrialise all.

    No development, not even of pastures.

    Munch your mashed insect larvae, proles.

  224. testpattern

    ‘The only intergenerational PTSD Aborigines suffer from is being Permanently Totally Shitfaced Drunk.’

    Families of returned servicemen from ww1+2 know about inherited consequences of one generation’s trauma, not necessarily ptsd. Just as the consequences of genocidal policies towards Firsts have also been inherited.

    A trust deficit caused Howard’s intervention to fail. Contemporary commentators angst over surveys that show Australians distrust Govt and wonder why. It’s because our interactions with Govt are not pleasant. Partisan media only magnify the distrust that’s already there eg the daily Ruperts tell us to distrust Labor Govts while Fairfax tells us to distrust Lib Govts. The inherited trust deficit among indigenous Australians has continuing consequences for every aspect of their lives, as do the inherited consequences of trauma –

    ‘Listed below are some of the signs and symptoms you may see in an older child with FASD:

    learning difficulties
    developmental delays
    attention deficit/hyperactivity/ADHD
    memory problems
    difficulties with social relationships
    impulsiveness
    inappropriate behaviour
    poor understanding of consequences
    major organ damage such as brain, heart and liver damage.

    FASD is a permanent disability and therefore it is not curable…secondary issues .. such as:

    mental health problems
    incomplete schooling
    unemployment
    physical/sexual/social abuse
    alcohol and drug problems
    criminal activity.’

    https://nt.gov.au/wellbeing/pregnancy-birthing-and-child-health/fetal-alcohol-spectrum-disorder

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Governor General has proven to be a vacillating wifflebat and should be dismissed by the Queen for not upholding our Constitution. A disgrace.

    Isn’t it a fact that, under the Constitution, the Governor General can only prorogue Parliament at the request of the Prime Minister?

  226. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So Malaysia and Turkey and Iran are all hellholes?

    shitholes to be sure.

  227. Oh come on

    Maybe you need to get out of your comfort zone and actually meet a few Muslims…they were completely non-political while all my white friends were insufferable leftists and social justice warriors.

    Hi Alan!

  228. Arky

    I haven’t read the whole thread.
    Has anyone posted this?
    ..

    California lobbyist Pamela Lopez said she was sexually harassed by Democrat Assemblyman Matt Dababneh, whom she alleges followed her into a restroom and masturbated in front of her at a friend’s wedding party is Las Vegas in January 2016.
    “No, I will not touch you,” Lopez told the press at a Monday morning press conference in Sacramento as she recalled the words she used to let Dababneh, of Van Nuys, know that she rejected his behavior. Prior to Monday, she had refused to name the man she said had sexually harassed her.

    ..
    What is it with these dudes taking it out as an initial move?
    Try talking to the bird first.
    Try a compliment: I like your hair.
    Make eye contact.
    Maybe ask her out for dinner or a show.
    If she likes you, she will let you know.
    The percentage chance that you take it out and she falls on it is almost nil.
    Most blokes figure this out well before their late teens.
    Jesus, people, life isn’t Penthouse forum. You only get one or two stories like that in a lifetime.

  229. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2576619, posted on December 5, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    5 Sessions of Parliament. Prorogation and dissolution
    The Governor‑General may appoint such times for holding the sessions of the Parliament as he thinks fit, and may also from time to time, by Proclamation or otherwise, prorogue the Parliament, and may in like manner dissolve the House of Representatives.

    The ghost of Gough!

  230. testpattern

    BON. The indigenous- Greens alliance won’t last forever.

    The Fitzroy will be dammed for irrigation eventually. At the moment TO’s are still at the stage of asserting and legitimising ownership and power, that will change. Some of the groups granted native title only moved to the river post white invasion or just before, taking country from the original river groups eg Djaba and Gunian, and don’t even have a complete lexicon of place names in their own language. If you have the time and inclination, these are the sort of objections some of these groups have to damming the Fitzroy. As with Frac in the Canning Basin, the timing isn’t right yet.

    https://www.water.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/4842/46326.pdf

  231. Arky

    Most chicks will like you if you aren’t a completely spasticated loser and show sufficient frontal cortext development such as to leave your cock holstered until after saying “Hello”. Really, most of them aren’t that fussy, and the average dude isn’t setting the bar that high.

  232. calli

    It’s shortcut sexting, Arky. Time is money.

  233. Farmer Gez

    Tom Ballard’s on the ABC as a comedian.
    Well it says comedy on the watermark above the ABC logo. This is very helpful if you are someone with a sense of humour and think you’ve stumbled upon a live telecast of the Greens annual conference.

  234. Arky

    calli
    #2576627, posted on December 5, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    ..
    They should teach this stuff in schools.
    I might offer an elective next year.

  235. Arky

    Jesus, people, life isn’t Penthouse forum.

    ..
    But feel free to post your Penthouse forum style personal stories below.

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