Wednesday Forum: December 6, 2017

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  1. C.L.

    GOP lawmaker Chris Stewart has called for Robert Mueller to be arrested.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    Vatican goes the full Gaia worship.

    Vatican Issues Far-Left Declaration on Climate Change, ‘Very Fabric of Life on Earth at Grave Risk’

    In a dramatic declaration punctuated by dire threats and warnings, the Vatican is urging the world to “decarbonize the energy system as early as possible and no later than mid-century” to avoid irreversible damage to humans and ecosystems.

    In its newly released “Final Declaration: Our Planet, Our Health, Our Responsibility” from a November workshop on climate change, air pollution and health, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences warns that “there is less than a decade” to put in place a series of sweeping measures to counteract the effects of human-induced climate change. “The time to act is now,” it reads.

    The misery, poverty, deaths and squalor that this would cause would be the blackest event in the history of the Church.

    Meanwhile CAGW is still not happening:

    Global Temperature Increases Are Lower and Slower, Says New Study

  3. OneWorldGovernment

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

  4. Meanwhile CAGW is still not happening:

    Apparently a trivial detail in the grander scheme of things.

  5. Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    Assuming they are very,very good swimmers,maybe.

  6. Tim Neilson

    Hooray, spotted it in time to make the 11.

  7. Carpe Jugulum

    Top ten – woo Hoo

  8. notafan

    Quite possible both woman knew the same Roy/Ray way back when.

    Is he Roy Moore?

    Thomas Wictor SA, based on the hand writing samples, no.

    I’m sure he isn’t the only Roy in Alabama.


    Thomas Wictor on the latest Roy Moore gotcha

  9. Tim Neilson

    Vatican goes the full Gaia worship.

    Galileo was unavailable for comment.

  10. Joe

    Vatican goes the full Gaia worship.

    Martin Luther rises from the dead to re-proclaim the corruptness of the Catholic Church. How much death and destruction must we endure this time?

  11. Infidel Tiger

    Amazing. The Nine reporter who is now a convicted p-do is apparently a victim and has the support of his colleagues.

    Don Burke should have gone after kids.

  12. C.L.

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    They couldn’t take out Magnetic Island.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    If the leadership was subcontracted to professionals, yes.

  14. stackja

    Their ABC:

    Donald Trump: Jerusalem announcement would damage the drive for peace in the Middle East
    By Anne Barker

  15. OneWorldGovernment

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2577134, posted on December 6, 2017 at 11:34 am

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    If the leadership was subcontracted to professionals, yes.

    So lets go and take over the joint.

    All the leftists in Australia think it’s a great place.

  16. RobK

    “A canal permanently feeding Lake Eyre would end up saltier than the oceans, because of evaporation and lack of outflow”
    You fix that by having one canal to the north and one to the south, gulf to gulf as it were. You would need some blokes with .303s to stop the crocs eating the salmon.

  17. notafan

    Why would Martin Luther rise from the dead?

    Has he taken over from Jesus Christ, or something.

    Sounds a bit heretical to me.

    And fyi Galileo died of natural causes.

    Thank goodness nothing the Vatican says about science in binding on Catholics.

    As Cardinal Pell kindly pointed out these ideas can be changed in light of new evidence.

  18. OneWorldGovernment

    Is the American FBI a criminal agency to Australia?

  19. Mother Lode

    Galileo’s problems arose from his trying to use (or abuse) scripture to argue for the heliocentric universe.

    Heliocentrism was not heretical in itself, which is why Copernicus had no issue. Scientific minds at the time were not clear as to whether heliocentrism or geocentrism was correct – both theories posed problems. Heliocentrism could not explain why the stars did not have a parallax shift as they would if the earth moved relative to them. (The people at the time could not conceive the distances involved or had the instruments to even discover them).

    The thing about Galileo being persecuted because Church doctrine was that the Earth was the centre of the universe is a furphy just to cast the Church as anti-scientific. In fact, the opposite was true. In science they believed God’s magnificence was revealed.

  20. Makka

    Plod and Intel lobbying for more loot. The costs of protection from moslems. They don’t have much influence?

    London: The attack on Manchester Arena in May that killed 22 people could have been stopped, an independent review of British police and intelligence services has found.

    MI5 missed two clues that 22-year-old Salman Abedi was planning an attack and a “data-washing exercise” identified the attacker as meriting further investigation. MI5 had planned to discuss his case but the meeting was scheduled for nine days after the attack took place.

    The review also confirmed that the leader of the London Bridge and Borough Market attack had been identified as wanting to attack the UK, and was under investigation at the time of the June attack.

    He was the main target of a police operation which had been suspended twice because of a lack of resources, and had resumed just before the terror attack

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/terror-attack-on-manchester-arena-could-have-been-stopped-review-finds-20171205-gzzh7g.html

  21. Joe

    Thank goodness nothing the Vatican says about science in binding on Catholics.

    Then since reproduction is clearly scientific having been described by science, nothing the church says on reproduction is binding on Catholics. Similarly, nothing the church says is binding on Catholics, so what good is the church?

  22. stackja

    It is a good thing that the Church did not rush to embrace Galileo’s views, because it turned out that his ideas were not entirely correct, either. Galileo believed that the sun was not just the fixed center of the solar system but the fixed center of the universe. We now know that the sun is not the center of the universe and that it does move—it simply orbits the center of the galaxy rather than the earth.

    As more recent science has shown, both Galileo and his opponents were partly right and partly wrong. Galileo was right in asserting the mobility of the earth and wrong in asserting the immobility of the sun. His opponents were right in asserting the mobility of the sun and wrong in asserting the immobility of the earth.

    Had the Catholic Church rushed to endorse Galileo’s views—and there were many in the Church who were quite favorable to them—the Church would have embraced what modern science has disproved.

  23. OneWorldGovernment

    How close are the ties between ASIO and other state organizations like the USA FBI?

  24. .

    GOP lawmaker Chris Stewart has called for Robert Mueller to be arrested.

    What the hell is going on over there?

  25. stackja

    Keep getting ‘Broken’ message!

  26. Tel

    What the hell is going on over there?

    Do unto others before they do unto you.

  27. Zatara

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    For dinner and a movie maybe.

  28. Tel

    Vatican Issues Far-Left Declaration on Climate Change, ‘Very Fabric of Life on Earth at Grave Risk’

    If only the Pope would have a little faith.

  29. hzhousewife

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    Send in our front line female brigade, they’ll scare the daylights out of anyone.

  30. Atoms for Peace

    I wonder how many people of power in Oz are sweating on the current salem witch trials.
    BTW, any of the alphabet people implicated yet ? Surely it’s not just the heteronormative crowd who cause all the problems ( again ) !

  31. Atoms for Peace

    I thought that the Catholic Church had more pressing institutional problems to worry about than CAGW.

  32. Makka

    Abbott didn’t go far enough. He should have sacked around 25% of the parasites;

    The country’s most senior public servant says former prime minister Tony Abbott damaged the bureaucracy when he sacked him for following instructions from the former Labor government.

    Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet boss Martin Parkinson says he holds “no personal animus” towards the former prime minister over a series of sackings at the top of the public service in 2013, including his own dismissal as Treasury secretary.

  33. notafan

    Joe you seem a little confused.

    The church has had nothing to say about the truth or otherwise about scientific facts about the biology of reproduction.

    What the Church concerns herself with is faith and morals and preserving the legacy of Christ.

    Having established that life begins at conception she says taking an unborn life is murder.

  34. notafan

    Science having established

  35. stackja

    Makka
    #2577162, posted on December 6, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    Parkinson is the problem.

  36. .

    That’s DR Parkinson PSM, you filthy pleb!

  37. herodotus

    Is the dual citizenship provision in our constitution, particularly when it relates to residual citizenship of the UK or NZ, good law or bad law?
    If it’s good, why does it not get taken up and used in the states? Katy Gallagher, for example, was a member of the ACT parliament, a minister, and rose to leader, over a period of some 15 years.
    If it’s a rubbish law, why are there no moves to amend the constitution?

  38. Joe

    notafan, that’s not the problem. The problem is that the left sees the admission that the church has no authority to bind Catholics on matters of science as the church has no authority. They don’t do logic. The subsequent argument, they got science wrong, what else did they get wrong and more importantly, why should you trust them to guide you, are what the left uses to drive a wedge between the church and those that could profitably benefit from being in the church.

    All these arguments are beyond the amount of effort most people put into the topic. The left screams, the church is wrong on science and is full of child molesters and sets out to cement this in the eyes of the public via false accusations and trial by journalist. People see this and think, there must be something there, the church is immoral and I don’t want anything to do with it.

    You can’t fight this with appeals to logic or morally valid arguments. This requires down in the ditch dirty tricks, false accusations and all the things the moral people will not do to combat it.

  39. harrys on the boat

    So m0nty was telling us Trump will be impeached based on the president elect asking Flynn – with the Obama administrations permission – to ask Russia about the Syria crisis and the totally discredited FBI investigation by rabid anti-Trumper, Peter Strzok?

    m0nty, is this possibly your biggest rake yet?

  40. harrys on the boat

    It is a good thing that the Church did not rush to embrace Galileo’s views,

    Is that a fucking parody?

  41. stackja

    harrys on the boat
    #2577173, posted on December 6, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    ?

  42. thefrollickingmole

    Looks like a new front in the war against the CFA in Victoria…

    Victorian Country Fire Authority members mistreated girl, 17, in ‘sickening’ hazing

    rape?
    Assault?
    Forcibly stripped and made to parade???

    nope..
    A 17-year-old girl was dragged from a fire truck, pushed on to the ground and held down by middle-aged men under the vehicle’s mist sprays in a frightening Victorian Country Fire Authority hazing.

    Thats it.

    Oh and its a warmen chief officer doing the refferral to the cops as well.

    The CFA’s chief executive, Frances Diver, confirmed four members of the Eaglehawk brigade near Bendigo have been stood down over the incident and it has been referred to Victoria police.

    “That footage shows a young girl, a 17-year-old girl, getting out of a truck with a group of men, mostly middle-aged men,” Diver told 3AW on Wednesday.

    “They engage in physical behaviour with the woman, dragging her across the floor, pushing her over, holding her down … They did wet her with the fine spray of a truck.”

    Diver said she was “sickened” by the footage and has been in touch with the girl and her family, who do not want to take it further.

    “She’s a young girl, she lives in a small town,” Dive said. “It would be humiliating.”

    But she referred the matter to police because she believed what she saw could constitute a criminal offence.

    I sense a set up for a new push for union takeover…

  43. Baldrick

    51st Battalion A.I.F

    Christie, Robert (1883–1957)
    On the formation of the A.I.F.’s 4th Division in February 1916 Christie transferred as a sergeant to the 51st Battalion, raised in Western Australia. Commissioned as a second lieutenant in March 1916, he was promoted captain at once and major in September. After reaching France he fought at Mouquet Farm, Lagnicourt and Messines. He commanded the 51st in the battle of Polygon Wood in September 1917 and won the Distinguished Service Order especially for his ‘tactical handling of the battalion’. He was promoted lieutenant-colonel on 23 October and confirmed in his command. Next April at Villers-Bretonneux he gained a Bar to his D.S.O.; here he was involved in a difficult night operation and, having already marched six miles, was ordered to counter-attack and recover a village. Although there was no time for reconnaissance the approach march and the attack itself were ‘a brilliant success’. Christie retained command until the end of the war and was awarded the Belgian Croix de Guerre and twice mentioned in dispatches. His personal courage and coolness in action, his warm nature and his concern for his men made him a popular and respected leader.

  44. Lysander

    Vatican goes the full Gaia worship.

    The RCC still has a catechism which forms the canon of Catholic beliefs that must be adhered to. Some of it is scientific, some of it is faith. None of it is AGW alarmism. For anyone wrestling with the idea, I suggest you read the Great JPII Fides et Ratio (faith and reason) which, also, is not a canonical publication/document but just one Pope’s opinion. They’re allowed to have them ya know but it doesn’t change the catechism or any other parts of the magisterium,

  45. Stimpson J. Cat

    What the Church concerns herself with

    Let’s be honest.
    The Church is not a wamen.
    Never was, never will be.
    It was made by men.

    Correct pronouns please.
    Don’t make baby Jesus cry.

  46. Mother Lode

    Interesting scanning headlines at Drudge.

    There is the old ‘Impeach Trump’ stuff oozing out of Democrat orifices.

    Now, in Alabama, they are suppurating ‘Jail the Judge’.

    It seems their new tactic is to condemn their opponents as criminals before actually proving a case.

    Interestingly Alan Dershowitz has an article saying that Feinstein’s declaration that Trump should be impeached for doing things within his power as set out in the constitution.

    Dershowitz is, I believe, a registered Democrat but he seems to be very objective and not shied away from critiquing other, high profile Democrats. Seems like a guy worth listening to.

  47. Chris

    Correct pronouns please.
    Don’t make baby Jesus cry.

    Can’t a bride be a she, herself?

  48. Infidel Tiger

    MI5 foils a plot by Muslims to assasinate Theresa May.

    How dumb are these goat herders? She is one of your greatest allies.

  49. Mother Lode

    Is that a fucking parody?

    Are we still talking about the Church’s focus being properly on morality and Christ’s legacy, and hence matters touching upon shaggery are not it’s concern?

  50. Roger

    Let’s be honest. The Church is not a wamen.

    The New Testament uses the metaphor of the church as the bride of Christ in several places, resulting in the traditional usage of the pronoun “she” for the church.

  51. H B Bear

    MI5 foils a plot by Muslims to assasinate Theresa May.

    They’ve arrested that clown, Boris?

  52. Old School Conservative

    The Headmaster of Scots College Sydney makes front page headlines in The Oz for his letter to the PM. Wants to make sure funding and religious freedoms are not thrown away in the SSM legislation.
    Um, where were you Sir during the now lost debate?

  53. Zatara

    Dershowitz is, I believe, a registered Democrat but he seems to be very objective and not shied away from critiquing other, high profile Democrats. Seems like a guy worth listening to.

    Dershowitz is an old model Democrat, a brilliant lawyer, and an invariably straight shooter.

    He has been calling out the corruption and criminality of the Obama/Clinton mob for years.

  54. Mother Lode

    m0nty, is this possibly your biggest rake yet?

    It can’t be just a coincidence that whatever Monty says turns out to be exactly wrong.

    In him we have left correlation far behind and moved into cause.

    I think Monty’s stating his opinions somehow causes the things he says to be wrong. He might be a kind of virus who, when introduced into any topic, changes it into something like himself.

  55. Rabz

    I think Monty’s stating his opinions somehow causes the things he says to be wrong.

    LOL.

  56. P

    The New Testament uses the metaphor of the church as the bride of Christ in several places, resulting in the traditional usage of the pronoun “she” for the church.

    This comment reminded me of the words of the hymn “The Church’s one foundation”.

  57. Mother Lode

    “That footage shows a young girl, a 17-year-old girl, getting out of a truck with a group of men, mostly middle-aged men,” Diver told 3AW on Wednesday.

    Is being a man, and a middle aged one at that, considered to be an exacerbating factor?

  58. Stimpson J. Cat

    resulting in the traditional usage of the pronoun “she” for the church.

    It’s basically a consolation prize to boost wamens self esteem and make them feel important which actually has no real relevance in the real world, yes.
    Otherwise they would b$tch and moan about inclusion etc etc.

  59. P

    I suggest you read the Great JPII Fides et Ratio (faith and reason)

    “Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth;”

  60. stackja

    Baldrick
    #2577180, posted on December 6, 2017 at 12:44 pm

    And WW2 service RAAF also noted.

  61. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2577183, posted on December 6, 2017 at 12:48 pm
    What the Church concerns herself with

    Let’s be honest.
    The Church is not a wamen.
    Never was, never will be.
    It was made by men.

    Yes, stimpy, but the men all wear long dresses.

  62. Roger

    This comment reminded me of the words of the hymn “The Church’s one foundation”.

    The church’s one Foundation
    is Jesus Christ her Lord;
    she is His new creation,
    by water and the Word;
    from heav’n He came and sought her
    to be His holy bride;
    with His own blood He bought her,
    and for her life He died.

  63. Rabz

    “That footage shows a young girl, a 17-year-old girl, getting out of a truck with a group of men, mostly middle-aged men,” Diver told 3AW on Wednesday.

    Very poor form omitting another key descriptor, “white”.

  64. Infidel Tiger

    Hazing rituals are stupid.

    Grown men doing that to a 17 yo sheila is abuse in my book.

  65. Fisky

    It can’t be just a coincidence that whatever Monty says turns out to be exactly wrong.

    In him we have left correlation far behind and moved into cause.

    I think Monty’s stating his opinions somehow causes the things he says to be wrong. He might be a kind of virus who, when introduced into any topic, changes it into something like himself.

    I am coming to the same conclusion, Mother Lode. Everything m0nty says won’t happen does happen, and everything he says will happen, won’t. It’s an amazing power of causative wrongology.

  66. Ez

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2577151, posted on December 6, 2017 at 11:52 am
    How close are the ties between ASIO and other state organizations like the USA FBI?

    Five eyes.

  67. stackja

    December 6, 1941 (Saturday)
    President Roosevelt wrote a personal appeal to Emperor Hirohito to avoid war between the United States and Japan. “Developments are occurring in the Pacific area which threaten to deprive each of our Nations and all humanity of the beneficial influence of the long peace between our two countries.” the president wrote. “Those developments contain tragic possibilities … I address myself to Your Majesty at this moment in the fervent hope that Your Majesty may, as I am doing, give thought in this definite emergency to ways of dispelling the dark clouds. I am confident that both of us, for the sake of the peoples not only of our own great countries but for the sake of humanity in neighboring territories, have a sacred duty to restore traditional amity and prevent further death and destruction in the world.”

  68. Bruce of Newcastle

    It seems their new tactic is to condemn their opponents as criminals before actually proving a case.

    Actually the newest tactic is to fabricate evidence, make an accusation based on the evidence they themselves have fabricated then feed to whole lot to the MSM to propagandize with.

    That increasingly appears to be what was done to both Moore and Trump.

  69. Roger

    Hazing rituals are stupid.

    And an indicator of poor leadership.

  70. Stimpson J. Cat

    The church’s one Foundation
    is Jesus Christ her Lord;

    I think if you actually ask Jesus you will find the foundation of his Church is actually Peter, a man.

    That verse sounds like it was written by a Goddamned hippy.

  71. Mother Lode

    Actually the newest tactic is to fabricate evidence, make an accusation based on the evidence they themselves have fabricated then feed to whole lot to the MSM to propagandize with.

    I stand corrected.

  72. stackja

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2577216, posted on December 6, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

  73. Chris

    It’s basically a consolation prize to boost wamens self esteem and make them feel important which actually has no real relevance in the real world, yes.
    Otherwise they would b$tch and moan about inclusion etc etc.

    Pffft, Stimpson. You could pick on a more obvious case with much more relevance in the real world. But you knew that.

  74. Roger

    I think if you actually ask Jesus you will find the foundation of his Church is actually Peter, a man.

    1 Cor 3:11

  75. C.L.

    MI5 missed two clues that 22-year-old Salman Abedi was planning an attack …

    The two clues being 1) he was a Muslim; and 2) he was a male.

  76. C.L.

    Yes, stimpy, but the men all wear long dresses.

    They wear trousers, actually.

  77. thefrollickingmole

    Infidel Tiger

    And you are comfortable with the blokes being referred to the cops rather h=than a “dont do that again or youre out” notice as well?

    And you miss the point, this is to make sure the stale white males are on notice the next push by big unions to take them over will be even dirtier..

    Once you get enough stale white males to quit then its obvious you need an all union, all paid workforce because all the vollys have gone.

    Victorian Government Cabinet ministers have endorsed a plan to split the Country Fire Authority in two, making the CFA a volunteer-only agency and creating a new agency called Fire Rescue Victoria (FRV) to cover all paid firefighters.

    The new body will be established to fight fires in Melbourne and major regional centres.

    “What we are going to do is move all of our career firefighters, paid firefighters into a new structure, Fire Rescue Victoria,” Premier Daniel Andrews told ABC Radio Melbourne.

  78. thefrollickingmole

    Oh and Dans aim for the fire service…?

    Mr Andrews said 450 additional paid firefighters would also be recruited and there would be a focus on the hiring and training female firefighters.

    We are going to increase the total number of female paid firefighters from 100 to 400. That is our aim,” he said.

    “My commitment to diversity and delivering that cultural change is very important to me, and I think to all Victorians, that we have a different culture in our fire service as well.

    The story being reported isnt the story.

  79. C.L.

    The bigger question is what the hell is a teenage girl doing pretending to be a fireman?
    Lives and properties are on the line.
    The only role for women at fire stations should be answering the phones.

  80. C.L.

    Breaking:
    Trump will formally recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital tomorrow

  81. stackja

    thefrollickingmole
    #2577224, posted on December 6, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    Destruction of culture continues.

  82. Stimpson J. Cat

    Pffft, Stimpson. You could pick on a more obvious case with much more relevance in the real world. But you knew that.

    No, I actually don’t have telepathy so I can’t read your mind and have no idea what you are talking about. I have though been convinced that I had telepathy, and could not only read minds, but change the weather depending on my mood.
    Good times.

  83. Top Ender

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    Cats need to get with the program:

    – there’ll never be an external armed threat to Australia

    – even if there was we wouldn’t fight, cos bad

    – that means we can buy any old rubbish as “equipment” cos never will use it

    – hence lotsa jobs in various places

    – this all means there are 120, 000 people hating around employed in a semi-uniformed environment

    – that means they need the full SJW treatment

    – so if you can’t handle it get out.

    See? Fixed.

  84. Stimpson J. Cat

    Breaking:
    Trump will formally recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital tomorrow

    Then the Goyim will know.

  85. Myrddin Seren

    Dr Faustus

    I am going to try and save this one for posterity.

    I agree completely with:

    Bob Carr is another Labor creature bought and paid for by the Chinese.

    Pretty sure that Bob aspires to a large pile of Arab oil money too – now that he practically chants the Hamas Charter at every opportunity.

    China has no strategic interest in helping an Indian billionaire…

    The stated ambition of Mr Adani is to use the Galilee Basin coal to fuel power projects in India, and China is indeed not going to help empower a strategic rival.

    Plus, right at the moment, the Chinese seem to have struck a livable equilibrium on coal prices in their local market for both domestic and by extension import coal ( China is the clearing market for coal ). The Galilee may rock the boat in the near term.

    Get ready to see Adani lose control of its interest in the Galilee coal project, the railway and the Abbott Point coal terminal to one of the many Chinese Government proxies.

    Be incredible if it happened. But if we get Labor at both Qld state and Federal levels, anything is possible.

    The Carmichael coal project is on the Chinese coal import slate…

    Clive Palmer took over Waratah Coal and renamed their Galilee project ‘China First’. Clive would have rolled out the red carpet in the Galilee for the ChiComs in a heartbeat, if he hadn’t made himself the pariah he is after his fights with CITIC.

    …and will be developed just as soon as the Chinese Government sorts out the visa/immigration/income tax issues to allow Chinese workers to be employed in Australia on Chinese terms.

    Dr F. Do you think Labor will really cross this Rubicon in terms of their union barons ? The CFMEU and a few others would need massive ‘incentives’ to roll the Wukkas on this one ?

  86. Top Ender

    Do you think Australian Defence Forces could take out Venezuala?

    Cats need to get with the program:

    – there’ll never be an external armed threat to Australia

    – even if there was we wouldn’t fight, cos bad

    – that means we can buy any old rubbish as “equipment” cos never will use it

    – hence lotsa jobs in various places

    – this all means there are 120, 000 people hanging around employed in a semi-uniformed environment

    – that means they need the full SJW treatment

    – so if you can’t handle it get out.

    See? Fixed.

  87. Chris

    Bugger. Wrote a long post about initiation rituals, and it got wiped by a fumble.
    Summary: they exist for a good reason. Suppressing them should be thoughtful and substituted carefully.

  88. H B Bear

    After about 10 to 20 years of Greenfilth endorsed, Gaia friendly bush management it doesn’t matter if your CFA fireman is a 17 yo girl or the Incredible Hulk, they are just watching 100 foot walls of flames engulf everything in their path while trying to stay alive themselves.

    Of course if they are paid diversity firepersons they can join the union and campaign for the re-election of a Liars government which is a more important role.

  89. The bigger question is what the hell is a teenage girl doing pretending to be a fireman?

    Maybe I missed it, but is there anything to indicate the girl herself objected to the hazing?

  90. H B Bear

    Keep trying Chris. You’re doing great.

  91. Chris

    No, I actually don’t have telepathy so I can’t read your mind and have no idea what you are talking about. I have though been convinced that I had telepathy, and could not only read minds, but change the weather depending on my mood.
    Good times.

    That stuff about pointless sop to Wamyns so they dont feel left out is classic bagging of the cult of Mary.

  92. H B Bear

    Could mUnty be the first graduate of the Van Wrongselen School of Advanced Wrongology? I reckon he would have got a few credits for previous wrongness.

  93. zyconoclast

    Hazing rituals are stupid.

    Grown men doing that to a 17 yo sheila is abuse in my book

    Totally agree. She a minor.
    They wouldn’t think it’s funny if it was their daughter or girlfriend.

    Stupid, mindless and possible illegal behavior like this only give the enemies more opportunity to oppress other men.

  94. Snoopy

    “We are going to increase the total number of female paid firefighters from 100 to 400. That is our aim,” he said.

    Wouldn’t be simpler and fairer to increase the number of men until they equal the number of women across the Victorian public service overall?

  95. Tom

    Everything m0nty says won’t happen does happen, and everything he says will happen, won’t. It’s an amazing power of causative wrongology.

    Thanks, Fisky — I’d been searching for the right phrase.

    Here’s another one — guilt projection: whatever the left accuses its enemies of it is invariably guilty of itself.

    Two days ago, Monty declared Trump’s impeachment was imminent because he was guilty of obstruction of justice, when it turns out the Crooked Hillary barrackers running Robert Mueller’s WussiaWussiaWussia witchhunt not only were perverting the administration of justice, but also concealed their Get Trump activism (emailed openly around the DOJ’s IT system) from Congress.

    As Humphrey says, this is advanced wrongology.

  96. Mother Lode

    Maybe I missed it, but is there anything to indicate the girl herself objected to the hazing?

    The original cut-n-paste said that the girl and her family did not want it taken further. (Makes sense, country folk can usually take a bit of rough and tumble).

    But the harridan who was appalled (or ‘shocked’ or ‘violated’ or whatever the distress marker in the sentence was) decided to send it to the police anyway.

    So no one there wanted any action taken, but a shinybum who probably thinks a white male who would rather sleep in than go shopping is domestic violence decided she needed to act.

  97. Stimpson J. Cat

    That stuff about pointless sop to Wamyns so they dont feel left out is classic bagging of the cult of Mary.

    I’m sure Mary was a lovely women.
    I’m also sure she didn’t need a pat on the head all the
    time for simply doing her job.
    She performed her job admirably, and then got back to work, where she belonged, in the kitchen.
    A man’s got to eat.

  98. Chris

    Hazing rituals are stupid.

    Grown men doing that to a 17 yo sheila is abuse in my book

    And there is video to presumably prove that there was no sexual component and people watched to make sure it was on the square. I expect that this is more witch hunt than genuine abuse.

  99. stackja

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2577247, posted on December 6, 2017 at 1:46 pm

    And Mary has returned several times to remind of the message.

  100. zyconoclast

    The Headmaster of Scots College Sydney makes front page headlines in The Oz for his letter to the PM. Wants to make sure funding and religious freedoms are not thrown away in the SSM legislation.
    Um, where were you Sir during the now lost debate?

    Trying to deal with this?
    Scots College sex abuse: school faces allegations it failed to act on complaints against John Beckett

    Cost: A non-refundable enrollment fee of $500 is required upon application. A non-refundable entrance fee of $5,000 is payable upon acceptance. Tuition fees for a student in year 12 are $33,098 per annum.

  101. Apparently Malcolm will create a new role for Tim Wilson after the “overwhelming emotion” of Monday. He’s putting him in charge of surveillance, phone and wire tapping.
    Wilson will be appointed the nations first Chief Bugger.

  102. notafan

    Since when wasn’t Jerusalem the capital of Israel?

  103. cohenite

    Wilson will be appointed the nations first Chief Bugger.

    Chrissy Pine will be sooo put out if that happens.

  104. Rabz

    You’ve got to admit, just by saying that something will happen only to directly cause the exact opposite instead, is an amazing skill.

    Or is it more accurately described as some form of super power?

    It’s a pity Blob Ellis can no longer be reached for comment.

  105. entropy

    L.
    #2577225, posted on December 6, 2017 at 1:25 pm
    The bigger question is what the hell is a teenage girl doing pretending to be a fireman?
    Lives and properties are on the line.
    The only role for women at fire stations should be answering the phones.

    My sister is a firey. She always gets featured in the evening news reporting on a fire as she isn’t too bad looking. Much better looking than most of the old boys anyway.

    I don’t recall her telling me she was hazed, but definitely the subject of extensive ribbing, particularly around the time they went and found a decent husband for her. She loves them all.

  106. stackja

    Chris
    #2577248, posted on December 6, 2017 at 1:48 pm

    And Frances Diver’s agenda?

  107. zyconoclast

    Breaking:
    Trump will formally recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital tomorrow

    Who gives a rats @rse.

    Where is the wall?

  108. hzhousewife

    So basically, China will buy out Adani, fund the loan, build the rail link and the port and buy Carmichael too, all under the watchful eye of our banks and government? Hmm, that will work out well for the work force of northern Queensland.

  109. notafan

    Churchmen wearing ‘long dresses’ is such a lefty meme.

    So many different types of clothing throughout history and around the planet.

    It’s just another weak as water insult.

    I adore how university academics still mimic clerical dress too.

  110. Chris

    And Frances Diver’s agenda?

    How should I know? I think the story is best left in the hands of the immediate superiors, the girl and her family.

  111. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #2577258, posted on December 6, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    Wall funding?

  112. C.L.

    She always gets featured in the evening news reporting on a fire as she isn’t too bad looking

    I’m sure that will be reassuring to a person trapped under a beam in a house fire.

  113. stackja

    Chris
    #2577261, posted on December 6, 2017 at 1:57 pm
    And Frances Diver’s agenda?

    How should I know? I think the story is best left in the hands of the immediate superiors, the girl and her family.

    Frances Diver wants more.

  114. The original cut-n-paste said that the girl and her family did not want it taken further. (Makes sense, country folk can usually take a bit of rough and tumble).

    My point exactly, Mother Lode. There is nothing in the story to suggest the girl objected to the “hazing”, despite the repeated use of terms like “brutal”, and “brutalised”.

    Let me do a possible retelling: Young farm girl has wanted to be part of the CFA for yonks. Goes out on yet another job or a training exercise, does well, and the older blokes reckon she’s “earned her stripes”. Back at the station she gets the customary hose down “initiation”. Now she is “one of the boys” and is “as pleased as punch”. Her family is doubly proud of her for her efforts.

    I’m not saying that’s what happened. What I’m saying is, on the actual information to hand, that could just as easily be what happened.

    As for being “only” 17 and a girl – not all CFA work is fighting wildfires. There are far more brushfires in dry paddocks, than blazing infernos. One of the most effective combos I ever worked with against fires was a 78 year old grandad driving a tractor with the farm spray unit on the back, and 14 year old grandson standing on the platform, using the spray nozzle to put out embers etc.

  115. stackja

    memoryvault
    #2577266, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    OH&S horror!

  116. What happened to the Town Hall protest by anti-Semites and homophobes yesterday? Apparently they would gather there at 5 to protest Milo, I went through the place at 5.15 and there wasn’t a stinking socialist scumbag in sight. Did they learn the location of the venue and head over to Leichardt?

  117. BrettW

    As we all know average Joe public would much rather be rescued from a burning house or wrecked car by a female firefighter because it helps females get jobs and helps promote diversity.

    Wonder at how many months before giving birth a female firefighter has to go on light duties and the down time after baby is born. No worries though, as the guys can cover their jobs as well.

    No doubt the Union is on board as down time by females probably results in more overtime for the males.

  118. Since when wasn’t Jerusalem the capital of Israel?

    Since 1948 when modern Israel came into being.
    The functional capital has been Tel Aviv.

  119. Snoopy

    I’m sure that will be reassuring to a person trapped under a beam in a house fire.

    Forget it. They’re done for. Occupational Health and Safety has seen to that.

  120. Stimpson J. Cat

    Since when wasn’t Jerusalem the capital of Israel?

    It’s just like Gay Marriage.
    They just want to fit in and feel normal and wanted by everyone.

  121. OH&S horror!

    No sweat, Stackja. This is QLD.
    The lad always wore his safety thongs.

  122. Myrddin Seren

    The country’s most senior public servant says former prime minister Tony Abbott damaged the bureaucracy when he sacked him for following instructions from the former Labor government.

    Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet boss Martin Parkinson says he holds “no personal animus” towards the former prime minister over a series of sackings at the top of the public service in 2013, including his own dismissal as Treasury secretary.

    The guy who arguably is actually running the country just says…”I got no probs with TA myself….(unstated BUT – I can understand the anger of the rest of the PS ).

    TA might as well plan to leave Australia now. He will be hounded by the bureaucracy for the rest of his days.

  123. notafan

    Joe I agree

    Pope Francis has lost the plot in regards to the mission of the Church.

  124. It’s hailing here on the sunny northern beaches.
    Does that count for double Flannerys?

  125. Diogenes

    Hearing on the grapevine that a very expensive girls private school taught the wrong syllabus for HSC engineering studies. Not finding any media coverage

  126. Geriatric Mayfly

    Jerusalem, the most contested city in history. If only we could remove the Muslim’s fanciful claims to the place, which grew legs in the seventh century. Too late to get on board in my opinion.

  127. Snoopy

    If only we could remove the Muslim’s fanciful claims to the place, which grew legs in the seventh century.

    Rebirthing is a 1300 year old Muslim ritual.

  128. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem seem needlessly provocative and unhelpful.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Lives and properties are on the line.
    The only role for women at fire stations should be answering the phones.

    Sorry, I’ve shared a fireground with several quite competent ladies.

  130. stackja

    Diogenes
    #2577278, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:14 pm
    Hearing on the grapevine that a very expensive girls private school taught the wrong syllabus for HSC engineering studies. Not finding any media coverage

    Girls from St Catherine’s school claim their teacher failed to prepare them for HSC
    EXCLUSIVE, Jack Morphet, The Sunday Telegraph
    December 3, 2017 12:00am
    Subscriber only
    AN exclusive Sydney private girls’ school has been forced into an embarrassing investigation into student claims their teacher failed to properly prepare them for the HSC.

    Nine recent graduates from St Catherine’s School in Waverley have appealed for extra marks in Engineering Studies, claiming they were given incomplete practice exams and never been shown a sheet of formulas that comes standard with every exam.

    To add to the humiliation, this was the first time Engineering Studies had been offered at the school, which charges $33,826 for Year 12 tuition.

    “We have undertaken an internal investigation and requested a meeting with inspectors from (NSW Education Standards Authority) NESA,” St Catherine’s School Head of Community Relations Marilyn Rickard said.

    “St Catherine’s has also informed the Universities Admissions Centre (UAC) of the girls’ concerns so that this might be taken into consideration when determining their course eligibility.”

    However, UAC, which calculates students’ weighted rankings when it comes to university admission, will not give the St Catherine’s School girls extra marks.

  131. JC

    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem seem needlessly provocative and unhelpful.

    Which is good, right? 🙂
    All we’ve seen for th past 40 years is retreat when it comes to the Palis. About time that was reversed.
    Fuck’em.

  132. stackja

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
    #2577282, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:19 pm
    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem seem needlessly provocative and unhelpful.

    Hyperbowl!

  133. Geriatric Mayfly

    Jerusalem is Israel capital, Trump to say Headline at BBC World News.

    Under it a picture of that gold-capped Muslim wart on Temple Mount. It’s a wonder the ABC didn’t get in first with this ploy.

  134. BrettW
    #2577269, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:07 pm
    No doubt the Union is on board as down time by females probably results in more overtime for the males.

    The Union and the fireies are very happy with the 24-hour shifts they now do in NSW.
    It’s called “fatigue management” which is code for sleeping on the job.
    Meanwhile their second job as lawn mowing technician, home handyman, electrician etc is done knowing they can rest when they get back to work.

    It won’t be long before a senior female officer calls for mandatory sex worker participation in the 24 hour shifts due to the extended time away from home.
    All those female fire fighters have needs you know.

  135. stackja

    memoryvault
    #2577274, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:10 pm
    OH&S horror!

    No sweat, Stackja. This is QLD.
    The lad always wore his safety thongs.

    Good!

  136. Arky

    The average life span of today’s fortune 500 multinational corporation is 40 to 50 years.
    Western countries have allowed women the vote for around 100 years. Hundreds of millions of women have been born, lived their full measure, and died during that time. At least four whole generations of women have completed their entire working lives more or less equal to men in the eyes of the law.
    How many of these fortune 500 companies were founded by women? Given the 100 years or so of female emancipation and the limited average lifespan of these companies, shouldn’t it have allowed women every opportunity to show their mettle. How bloody many centuries do you need to catch up?
    After being so horribly repressed for so long, you might think any group granted its freedom would seize the chance and go for it.
    So, how many? The answer surprised me. In the entire history of lists of the top 500 companies, only two founded by the women: Cisco and Estee Lauder. I thought there would be none.
    Question: Why should women have equal say in the running of corporations, when the data shows they don’t have an equal share in creating corporations?

    Or take sport.
    How many major sporting codes were founded by women? No. Netball is just basketball for women. The correct answer is none.
    That is correct. Given the last hundred years, the same timespan during which many major sporting codes were established, the group that makes up over 50% of the population has founded not one single sporting code worth a tuppenny damn. Not even one that ran for a while then failed. Zero. A big fatty donut. Why should women have an equal say running major sporting organisations when they haven’t founded any?

    Look, I haven’t got all day. You can look these up for yourselves: How many skyscrapers have women built? How many major international airlines have women established? How many major banks? How many land speed record breaking machines? How many martial arts? No one has been stopping them. Jesus. They spend most of the money. Forbes estimate women drive 70 to 80% of all consumer spending. How many blokes come home to find their woman has spent the grocery money building a rally car in the shed? No one. Ever.

    In 2005 the UN reported that already nearly 100 countries have, or have had electoral quotas for female political candidates. 131 political parties in 61 countries had voluntary quotas. This year the UNAIDS board called for equal representation of women in all it’s delegations. In 2015 the Queensland government set a target of 50% for all government boards, now in 2017 already at 43%.
    Look, if playing sport, building cool things, running large corporations or finding a cure for AIDS was your average women’s bag, they would already be doing these things without any help from anyone. The fact is, they don’t.

  137. Jerusalem is Israel capital …

    Wait and see which heads pop up.

    “Hold, hold …”

  138. Diogenes

    Stackja,
    thanks. Couldn’t find it when googling. And the grapevine almost got it right,
    Hmmm

    claiming they were given incomplete practice exams and never been shown a sheet of formulas that comes standard with every exam

    .
    Obviously they did not buy in their trial paper as is common practice. Feel for the teacher though, total overreaction by the school.

  139. Geriatric Mayfly

    Looks like Turnbull is off to a good start in QT. He showed a bit of mongrel yesterday. As much as I dislike the bloke if he can cut Shortarse off at the knees, well and good.

  140. How many major sporting codes were founded by women?

    Thynchronized thwimming?

  141. rickw

    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem seem needlessly provocative and unhelpful.

    Which is good, right? 🙂
    All we’ve seen for th past 40 years is retreat when it comes to the Palis. About time that was reversed.
    Fuck’em.

    Definitely good news!

  142. stackja

    Diogenes
    #2577295, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    Thank you.

  143. never been shown a sheet of formulas that comes standard with every exam

    If that’s true, then the students would have seen it when accessing the previous years’ HSC papers during their own revision.

  144. Chris

    Lives and properties are on the line.
    The only role for women at fire stations should be answering the phones.

    Sorry, I’ve shared a fireground with several quite competent ladies.

    And some are among our dead as firefighters.

  145. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If only we could remove the Muslim’s fanciful claims to the place, which grew legs in the seventh century.

    My understanding, and I’m happy to be corrected, is the the Muslim claim to Jeruselum, is based on the story that someone had a dream that Jeruselum was where the Prophet Mohammad ascended to Heaven, on a winged horse. A dream, for Friday’s sake.

  146. stackja

    Pyrmonter
    #2577302, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:29 pm
    Compare and answer: how is Albanese not an Italian national?

    BS said ALP was vetted!

  147. thefrollickingmole

    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem seem needlessly provocative and unhelpful.

    When Eastern Prussia is returned to the Germans Ill think the Pallis might have a case.

    You lost, sucks to be you is the precedent established and adhered to so far.

    The areas east of the Soviet occupation zone, mainly Eastern Prussia, Western Prussia, and Silesia were handed over to Poland due to the 1945 Treaty of Potsdam between three of the Allies, the U.S., the UK, and the USSR. This included Danzig, Königsberg, Breslau, and Stettin. The population fled, mostly to the Western zones, or was driven out. The number of casualties is estimated 2 to 4 million, including those who fled the Soviet army during the last months of the war before the 1945 Treaty.

    (also worth mentioning a lot of the Polish territory was annexed by agreement between Russia and Prussia 100 years before)

  148. Stimpson J. Cat

    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem seem needlessly provocative and unhelpful.

    J$ws have a long and rich history of bring provocative and unhelpful in Jerusalem.
    Hopefully the God Emperor can keep everyone honest and in line.

  149. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2577305, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Any story is true, if it helps them.

  150. stackja

    thefrollickingmole
    #2577307, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    Many borders altered over the years.

  151. Rae

    Barnaby is back. That was a record count and check count and return of writs to keep the Turnbull Coalition Governments head above water. Red in the face and stumbling over his words as usual.

  152. KK not only breaches AEC rules, but does so regularly and intentionally.

    Ms Keneally was reminded to keep within the area marked out in yellow after repeatedly leaving her designated spot on Beecroft Rd at Epping.

    Encroaching within 6m of a pre-poll booth is a rule for the little people.

  153. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL BREAKING NEWS
    60 Minutes interviewee tells of beatings

    Margaret Scheikowski
    Australian Associated Press
    2:14PM December 6, 2017

    The woman at the centre of a 60 Minutes defamation case has told a jury in a Sydney court of being regularly beaten by her older brother who was “very focused on chastity”.

    Nadia Tabbaa, now 29, said she was eight, she left Jordan with her mother and siblings to live in Sydney where her older brother Omar was extremely abusive about her taking part in swimming, gymnastics, or sleepovers and about the way she dressed.

    “He was extremely violent all the time,” she said in the NSW Supreme Court on Wednesday.

    “He belted us with a belt, a kettle cord and thongs” from the time he arrived in Sydney until she was taken back to Jordan in 2002 at the age of 13.

    Ms Tabbaa is giving evidence on behalf of the Nine Network, which is being sued for defamation by her parents, Mouhammad Tabbaa and his former wife Pamela Tabbaa, over a 60 Minutes program broadcast in 2014.

    In the interview, she says she was kidnapped at 13 when holidaying in Egypt, taken to Syria to live with relatives and forced to marry her older cousin.

    Ms Tabbaa told the jury she barely saw her father when they lived in Amman before she came to live in Sydney when she was eight, and Omar became the disciplinarian and father figure.

    From the Oz. What a loving close knit family this must be – the daughter is giving evidence on behalf of the T.V. station her parents are suing for defamation……

  154. H B Bear

    Meeya think they no gonna find Papa Albanese thisa time around.

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ms Keneally was reminded to keep within the area marked out in yellow after repeatedly leaving her designated spot on Beecroft Rd at Epping.

    I wish I could surgically remove her annoying accent and nuke it.
    It’s the only way to be sure.

  156. jo

    Snoopy
    #2577281, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:18 pm

    If only we could remove the Muslim’s fanciful claims to the place, which grew legs in the seventh century.

    Rebirthing is a 1300 year old Muslim ritual.

    The mozzies can call the place Hilux. The’re pretty good at rebirthing those

  157. Zatara

    Historically speaking, in 1949 Israel declared Jerusalem to be their capital although they only owned West Jerusalem at the time.

    In 1950 all branches of the Israeli government, legislative, judicial, and executive, moved there (except for the Ministry of Defense, which was located in Tel Aviv for strategic reasons).

    During the 1967 Six-Day War the Israelis booted the Jordanians out of East Jerusalem and have physically held the entire city since.

    In 1980 the Israelis passed the ‘Jerusalem Law’ which stated:

    Jerusalem, Capital of Israel:
    1. Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel.
    Seat of the President, the Knesset, the Government and the Supreme Court:
    2. Jerusalem is the seat of the President of the State, the Knesset, the Government and the Supreme Court

    In 1995, the United States Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act, which required, subject to conditions, that its embassy be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. None of their Presidents have had the cajones to move it until now.

    In April 2017, the Russian Foreign Ministry announced it viewed Western Jerusalem as Israel’s capital in the context of UN-approved principles which include the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the future Palestinian state.

    So, it’s interesting.

  158. cohenite

    Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem seem needlessly provocative and unhelpful.

    needlessly provocative and unhelpful to who?

  159. Arnost

    Jerusalem is Israel capital …

    L’Shana Haba’ah B’Yerushalayim

  160. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    needlessly provocative and unhelpful to who?

    Our Middle Eastern allies – Jordan has millions of Palestinians it has to deal with on a daily basis.

  161. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2577312, posted on December 6, 2017 at 2:38 pm
    Barnaby is back.

    And so is GrigoryM. Fuck off.

  162. calli

    L’Shana Haba’ah B’Yerushalayim

    Next April for me. 🙂

  163. Zatara

    Jordan has millions of Palestinians it has to deal with on a daily basis.

    Bless ’em. But that’s because the Palestinians were Jordanians until King Hussein washed his hands of them and renounced their citizenship.

  164. Dr Faustus

    Myrddin Seren

    Get ready to see Adani lose control of its interest in the Galilee coal project, the railway and the Abbott Point coal terminal to one of the many Chinese Government proxies.

    Be incredible if it happened. But if we get Labor at both Qld state and Federal levels, anything is possible.

    The observation is based on Adani’s financial situation (plight?) at Abbott Point. The company has a $2 billion debt refinancing on its investment in the coal terminal due by 2020 – and at present the terminal is operating way under capacity.

    In addition Adani has tipped something like $500 million into reserve definition, mine feasibility and EPC for the rail link. (By contrast Palmer has probably invested a few million in environmental/desk top studies and permitting, all aimed at bulking the Waratah Coal project on the balance sheet.)

    For obvious reasons, China was Adani’s lender of last resort – and (Carr’s nonsense aside), the company has been deliberately sucked in and steered off the road by China Inc. As the next step I can see a ‘hard to refuse’ financial offer by China Coal Group (or Shenhua, or similar) to Adani for the whole mess, rather than an Australian government pulling the permits.

    Do you think Labor will really cross this Rubicon in terms of their union barons ?

    This is China’s big strategic play in Australia.

    Pretty much everywhere else in the world where China invests in large resource plays, the projects are 100% Chinese. These guys are paid Chinese wages (+ offshore loadings etc) and set up as long rotation FIFOs in Chinese company towns on an all expenses paid board/lodging basis.

    In Australia, Chinese employees must be paid at Australian equivalent rates and then are subject to Income Tax/superannuation provisions etc. This means that a Chinese engineer on a tax free $5,000 pa (+ benefits) in China is suddenly being paid $130,000 in Australia, subject to income tax, and paying his/her own living expenses in a cost structure over 20x more expensive than in China. As a result the Chinese employer ends up paying a ‘tax shield’ to increase the net salary so that the expat Chinese can live a Chinese equivalent life-style – which means more expense, more tax etc etc.

    Accommodation costs are paid by the employer – plus FBT – the end result is employees that might cost $3,000 to $10,000 in China (or a little more in an ‘all-found’ Chinese FIFO township in Africa) cost $250,000++ in Australia. Which is a major cost issue for Chinese businesses planning on employing bulk Chinese in Australia.

    To my direct knowledge, Chinese Government owned businesses have been lobbying heavily on this issue for the past 10 years. Not successfully, but being world masters of the long game, not giving up.

    At some point the combination of self-induced capital shortage for resource projects, personal obligation owed by bribe-receiving scum in the major political parties and classic Chinese heavy duty economic arm twisting will open the door to Chinese FIFOs here (“on a strictly limited basis“).

  165. Fisky

    Don’t be a Jerusalem cuck, Infidel, this is a great thing Trump’s doing!

  166. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    All I know about the Middle East is that if the US is for it, it’s going to end in disaster.

    They have no fucking clue.

  167. Fisky

    Very much enjoying the new Twitter role as a refugee booster.

    Behrouz Boochani‏ @BehrouzBoochani

    The new company Paladin is already defeated. They can’t even provide basic supplies like food, water & power. Today people in new prison camps got no food for lunch. Yesterday people had to wait in long line for 7 hrs but half didn’t get food. So many problems with new company.

    Mick Fisk‏ @mickfisk

    Worse than Auschwitz.

  168. cohenite

    needlessly provocative and unhelpful to who?

    Our Middle Eastern allies – Jordan has millions of Palestinians it has to deal with on a daily basis.

    Wasn’t Jordan one of the 4 muslim countries which tried to destroy Israel in 1948?

  169. Fisky

    Mick Fisk‏ @mickfisk
    now
    Replying to @BehrouzBoochani

    Australia is a truly reprehensible country that kills people on an industrial scale. Having said that, you should seek asylum there.

    Mick Fisk‏ @mickfisk
    3h3 hours ago

    There has been literally no food or water on Manus for 4.5 years. Daily beatings. Torture. Full respect to those men’s endurance!

    Mick Fisk‏ @mickfisk
    2h2 hours ago

    YES! Literally. We have starved these men for 4.5 years and counting! They are almost dead but are using their final reserves of energy to denounce the govt!

    Mick Fisk‏ @mickfisk
    2h2 hours ago

    These men are simultaneously superhuman AND the most oppressed people on earth. 💔
    0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes

  170. Zatara

    The new company Paladin is already defeated. They can’t even provide basic supplies like food, water & power. Today people in new prison camps resort got no food for lunch. Yesterday people had to wait in long line for 7 hrs but half didn’t get food. So many problems with new company.

    So don’t pay them Behrouz.

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten said the 1967 referendum stands as Holt’s “tallest monument”.

    “He actively and passionately campaigned to strike from our Constitution the discrimination which meant that Aboriginal people could fight and die for our nation and yet not be counted in the census,” Mr Shorten said.

    Former treasurer Peter Costello is in the House for the Holt tribute, alongside members of Holt’s family.

    From the Oz. How many times are Labor politicians going to be allowed to get away with this discredited nonsense?

  172. Rebel with cause

    Hilariously, Albo now claims to not know who his father is. Maybe Leigh Sales can enlighten him.

  173. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Wasn’t Jordan one of the 4 muslim countries which tried to destroy Israel in 1948?

    Let bygones be bygones.

    You probably drive a Jap car and wank to German hardcore.

  174. Roger

    How many times are Labor politicians going to be allowed to get away with this discredited nonsense?

    For as long as Liberal politicians & msm let them.

  175. Fisky

    Yesterday people had to wait in long line for 7 hrs but half didn’t get food.

    Does anyone seriously believe the country shoppers just stood there in a line for 7 hours waiting for food? They don’t strike me as the queuing types.

  176. herodotus

    From The Oz:
    The ABC will dump its morning radio programs in some states in favour of extended breakfast programs with double-headed presenting teams.
    Easy for Tasmania.

    Stand by for more low-value panel crap as the ABC tries to look and sound more like the crass commercials – well, not so much 2GB, but the others.

  177. Mother Lode

    Hilariously, Albo now claims to not know who his father is.

    Can’t blame him for going underground after loosing a creature like that into the world.

    In Greek times he would have exposed the snaggle-toothed little shit on a hill side.

    In Roman times he would have fallen on his sword.

    In Mediaeval times he would have joined a Monastery and divided his time between lying on the floor in the chapel begging God’s forgiveness, and ministering with food and medicine to the most wretched people he could find.

    Albo has no place in this world or the next.

  178. Leigh Lowe

    Arnost

    #2577328, posted on December 6, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    Jerusalem is Israel capital …

    The capital of Israel is Caulfield-Balaclava.

  179. Mother Lode

    For as long as Liberal politicians don’t know any better & msm let them doesn’t give a shit.

  180. .

    That MILO press conference/whistlestop speech/interview at Federal Parliament with Leyonhjelm is great stuff.

  181. johanna

    Re the 17 year old trainee firefighter and ‘hazing.’

    As Cats have pointed out we just don’t know. She may well have been a robust country gal with five brothers who would give as good as she got. No harm, no foul.

    OTOH, if she was my sister or daughter or niece, I would want to be very sure that she was OK with it, because on the face of it, it’s not a good look, at all. A bunch of blokes roughhousing a young girl, using force.

    I don’t think it is PC to ask questions about that sort of behaviour, in the workplace or anywhere else.

  182. Viva

    Christine Keeler has died.

    https://www.steynonline.com/8297/the-girl-in-the-swimming-pool

    Three significant memories from childhood

    The Cuban Missile crisis
    JFK assassination
    The Profumo Affair

  183. mh

    The ABC will dump its morning radio programs in some states in favour of extended breakfast programs with double-headed presenting teams.

    That reads better!

  184. Yesterday people had to wait in long line for 7 hrs but half didn’t get food.

    Maybe Venezuela could take these whiny illegals.
    Oh wait…

  185. Roger

    Yesterday people had to wait in long line for 7 hrs but half didn’t get food.

    Should have gone to Erbil, Behrouz.

  186. Atoms for Peace

    What’s to stop marriage celebrants from chowing down on a healthy meal of onions and garlic prior to a ceremony ?

  187. Baldrick

    Good news for the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party. They sure need some new talent:

    The High Court has confirmed Jim Molan will be elevated to the Senate.

  188. cohenite

    Wasn’t Jordan one of the 4 muslim countries which tried to destroy Israel in 1948?

    Let bygones be bygones.

    You probably drive a Jap car and wank to German hardcore.

    You have it arse round as usual.

  189. Baldrick

    Yesterday people had to wait in long line for 7 hrs but half didn’t get food.

    They could go home with the $30k+they won in their settlement against Australia and not have to queue for food ever again.

  190. .

    Ha!

    MILO blames boomers.

    Fuckin’ boomers!

  191. Myrddin Seren

    Dr Faustus

    To my direct knowledge, Chinese Government owned businesses have been lobbying heavily on this issue for the past 10 years. Not successfully, but being world masters of the long game, not giving up

    Thanks very much for your detailed and interesting reply.

    Doubt the Protected Classes care too much about how the regular punters would feel about this.

    I am guessing that if it can be sleeved through some Union-controlled labour hire thing that includes a rake-off for the CMFEU and AWU, and some Dastyari-like incentives off-line – Labor will roll it through.

    Wow – a tributary client of the Middle Kingdom so fast, it was done and dusted until Shanghai Sam made a scandal of himself again.

  192. .

    Zing!

    MILO hammers Michael Koizol for being too poor to buy Gucci clothes.

    …and then ignores him pretty much for being called inauthentic.

  193. C.L.

    I don’t think it is PC to ask questions about that sort of behaviour, in the workplace or anywhere else.

    Right.
    Hazing is an adolescent reversion, the loading up of an isolated individual to relieve and mask the insecurities of the perpetrators. It’s unmanly, weak and childish.

  194. Mater

    An interesting passage from Milo’s book:

    In the past, the Left were champions of Blue-collar workers against the managerial, big business classes. Jobs, pay, and decent living standards for ordinary citizens were the priorities. A few leftists (Bernie Sanders in the United States and Jeremy Corbin in Britain) continue this tradition. They are, notably, significantly older than most other left-wing politicians. They are also loathed by much of the establishment in their respective parties.
    Why?
    Because the mainstream Left today has very different priorities.
    There was no reason why the Left had to abandon its old blue-collar base. The industries that employed their voters have largely disappeared, but the voters themselves didn’t go anywhere. Indeed, as voters in old working-class heartlands entered economic crises, the Left should have been more attentive to their concerns.
    But that didn’t happen.
    Instead, leftists chose to ignore the former working class, and turn to a very different electoral coalition: latte-sipping metropolitan voters, fairytale dwelling anti war activists, ugly women (sigh), and minorities.
    The fact that minorities were only a small section of the electorate didn’t bother the Left; they could always import new voters. Zero f$cks were given about the rapid influx of cheap labor or the deluge of new welfare recipients. Both of these obvious consequences only added further pressure to the already-beleaguered, long forgotten, working class base.

  195. .

    I don’t agree with Milo about his concern about private censorship.

    I think he should sue the NYT and Twitter for the American equivalents of false light and injurious falsehood, possibly even pure economic loss.

  196. Boambee John

    Does anyone else remember the Seinfeld episode about Elaine’s new squeeze.

    Elaine came to Jerry’s apartment after the date. As I recall the conversation was on these lines:

    Jerry: How was the date?

    Elaine: We were in the car afterwards and he got IT out.

    Jerry: He got IT out?

    Elaine: He got IT out!

    Jerry: Wow … (I forget how it went from there).

    Was Seinfeld trying to tell his audience about the customs of the US media/entertainment complex, or did the Harvey Weinsteins of this world make fiction into reality?

  197. Top Ender

    Spacechook on/…

    Anyone know to combat fruit bats crapping all over your back deck?

    Not allowed to wait up at night shooting them.

    Have tried old CDs hung on line at varying heights off the overhead shade canopy.

    Have also tried a 3x3m square of black plastic in what appears to be the flight path.

    Probably one persistent bastard.

    I presume mesh means I’d end up with one entangled bat and lissavirus when I tried to bang it on the head.

    Spacechook off/…

  198. thefrollickingmole

    C.L.

    You might note i didnt condone the “hazing” (lack of video makes me suspect its nowhere near as bad as its speculated to be), but are you comfortable with the manager referring it to the coppers when the girl apparently wasnt interested?

    Surely a carpeting and “do it again and your out” was all it was worth.

    Its another shot at the stale pale male whom they need to drive out of the vollys so it can be “professionalized”, unionized and become a secure redoubt for social engineering.

  199. Carpe Jugulum

    Anyone know to combat fruit bats crapping all over your back deck?

    Bird spikes?

  200. dopey

    Trump to recognize Jerusalem. Gosh and Hamas were so close to making peace.

  201. .

    TWTR:

    How can you have increasing net operating free cash flow but negative EPS, net income and return on equity?

  202. Myrddin Seren

    Zero f$cks were given about the rapid influx of cheap labor or the deluge of new welfare recipients. Both of these obvious consequences only added further pressure to the already-beleaguered, long forgotten, working class base.

    And right on cue, from Breitbart two weeks ago:

    Labour opened the door to uncontrolled mass immigration from eastern Europe after then-Bank of England governor Mervyn King “pressed the case” that it would “lower wage growth”, a former senior diplomat has claimed.

    The Left has absolutely never forgiven the Wukkas for not supporting the Revolution and installing the Protected Classes of the Left as a permanent hereditary Ruling Class.

  203. Boambee John

    Mother Lode at 1259

    The Mueller investigation was doomed from the moment that m0nty proclaimed its inevitable success.

  204. stackja

    UWS flying fox expert Dr Justin Welbergen said flying fox dispersal efforts were usually unsuccessful.

    “Noise, smoke or light, they may get rid of the flying foxes for a little while but in all cases they’ve all come back repeatedly and in virtually all cases they will come back so often that people will give up,” he said.

  205. P

    Viva #2577358, posted on December 6, 2017 at 3:55 pm
    Three significant memories from childhood
    The Cuban Missile crisis
    JFK assassination
    The Profumo Affair

    The Cuban Missile crisis was the biggest of the three for me personally. As a 22yr old trainee nurse I remember coming off duty at 11.15pm on the night before the missiles were expected to be launched and sitting out on a balcony of the nurses home with half a dozen other nurses drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes till 1.30am and trying to decide whether to stay up all night or go to bed. Some sat up all night but I went to sleep as I was rostered for a 6am start. Thought it was going to be my last sleep.

    The Profumo Affair was the biggest scandal of the 20th century. It rocked Britain, and photos of Mandy Rice Davies and Christine Keeler dominated the newspapers here during ’63.

    JFK assassination is still talked about and studied today.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    I think he should sue the NYT and Twitter for the American equivalents of false light and injurious falsehood, possibly even pure economic loss.

    Dot – Palin tried that.
    The Bill Clinton appointed judge told her to rack off*.
    She’s now appealing.
    Yep you can theoretically win, but you’ll be a pauper afterwards.

    * Bad pun.

  207. stackja

    P
    #2577386, posted on December 6, 2017 at 4:37 pm
    Viva #2577358, posted on December 6, 2017 at 3:55 pm
    Three significant memories from childhood
    The Cuban Missile crisis
    JFK assassination
    The Profumo Affair

    MSM made these events. JFK, yes. I don’t remember other two being anything. Although Stevenson hell at UN I remember.

  208. stackja

    P
    #2577386, posted on December 6, 2017 at 4:37 pm
    Viva #2577358, posted on December 6, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    How many will remember Pearl Harbor?

  209. stackja

    NYT details the system of enablers that facilitated Weinstein’s abuse
    US news 4 hours ago
    A new investigative piece by The New York Times, multiple reporters sifted through hundreds of interviews and documents to lay out the web of Weinstien’s sex abuse practices and the people who kept them operating.

  210. DrBeauGan

    Look, I haven’t got all day. You can look these up for yourselves: How many skyscrapers have women built? How many major international airlines have women established? How many major banks? How many land speed record breaking machines? How many martial arts? No one has been stopping them. Jesus. They spend most of the money. Forbes estimate women drive 70 to 80% of all consumer spending. How many blokes come home to find their woman has spent the grocery money building a rally car in the shed? No one. Ever.

    Arky, they spend lots of time cooking, and the best chefs are blokes. They spent lots of time washing and cleaning so men invented washing machines and vacuum cleaners.

    Men are useful, women are decorative. Usually.

    The chief argument against giving them the vote was that they are scatty and largely incapable of logical thought. Since then they have proved it regularly. I give you Canada as conclusive evidence.

  211. feelthebern

    That ACA reporter.
    No jail.
    $1000 fine.
    3 year good behaviour bond.
    WTF?

  212. herodotus

    I would blame (a) those who insist that women can be part of firefighting or frontline defence forces, and (b) those with so little insight that they will create a fuss and piss off volunteers who, in case they’ve forgotten, are exposed to risks of numerous sorts for no pay and can end up losing their home while defending others, or in some cases their lives.

  213. Bruce in WA

    Why are the media now referring to Christine Keeler as a “model”? She was a call girl, plainly and simply—and called that by the media at the time.

  214. Allergy

    Anyone know to combat fruit bats crapping all over your back deck?

    You could try one of those ultra-sonic devices. Would love to know if they work.

  215. Zyconoclast

    Chrissy Pyne is talking about taking lumps.
    What does this mean.

  216. Top Ender

    Congratulations Philippa, on your article in Quadrant.

    Thoughtful reading about the way the state is reaching beyond itself in Australian society.

    Also from Quadrant:

    Biggles, No Friend of Reconciliation

    Are boys still moved by Group Captain James Bigglesworth? Probably not, as none of WE Johns’ titles is available in my municipal library. As the council is infested with Greens, that shouldn’t surprise, given the aviator’s derring-do in putting down an Aboriginal revolt

  217. Myrddin Seren

    Boambee John

    Elaine: We were in the car afterwards and he got IT out.

    Jerry: He got IT out?

    Elaine: He got IT out

    Was Seinfeld trying to tell his audience about the customs of the US media/entertainment complex, or did the Harvey Weinsteins of this world make fiction into reality?

    Probably the former, and you forgot the Political Class.

    Via Iowahawk, the latest in #Pervalanche

    BREAKING: Lobbyist accuses Calif. assemblyman Matt Dababneh (D) of forcing her into bathroom and…

    and – He Elaine’d her !

    …and masturbating

    What the f**k is wrong with these guys ?! Who does this ??

  218. Zyconoclast

    Why isn’t Maocolm referring Ann Ali and Darstardly to the HC?

  219. chrisl

    Going to a ROCK SHOW
    At The concertgebouw ….

  220. Baldrick

    Top Ender
    #2577377, posted on December 6, 2017 at 4:24 pm
    Spacechook on/…
    Anyone know to combat fruit bats crapping all over your back deck?

    Heard those laser Christmas light projectors work well in scaring the blighters away.

  221. Geriatric Mayfly

    That contribution from that disgusting excuse for an Australian Sen. McDonald giving that wretch McKim a serve in the Senate. Asked to withdraw, which he did, but it is impossible to see how this was warranted, given what a slime McKim is.

  222. lotocoti

    Not allowed to wait up at night shooting them.

    Phalanx CIWS.
    Because General Dynamics doesn’t believe you should have to wait up at night.

  223. Myrddin Seren

    Damn – caught by the Spaminator

    Boambee John

    Elaine: We were in the car afterwards and he got IT out.

    Jerry: He got IT out?

    Elaine: He got IT out

    Was Seinfeld trying to tell his audience about the customs of the US media/entertainment complex, or did the Harvey Weinsteins of this world make fiction into reality?

    Probably the former, and you forgot the Political Class.

    Via Iowahawk, the latest in #Pervalanche

    BREAKING: Lobbyist accuses Calif. assemblyman Matt Dababneh (D) of forcing her into bathroom and…

    and – He Elaine’d her !

    What the f**k is wrong with these guys ?! Who does this ??

  224. Tekweni

    The only thing that works with fruit bats is number 8 shot delivered through a shotgun. They regularly crap on my car with a nice big dollop on the drivers door last night. Unfortunately I left my armoury back in South Africa.

  225. thefrollickingmole

    I have the guardian actually removing comments which link to its own stories because it shows how silly its own article is.

    Thats some really retarded level of wrongollogy there.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/i-write-from-manus-island-as-a-duty-to-history#comment-109290084

  226. Anyone know to combat fruit bats crapping all over your back deck?

    Photo

  227. johanna

    Well spotted, Boambee John, I didn’t see that episode of Seinfeld, but have no doubt that it was directed at Harvey and his pals.

    I am old now, but in my younger days enthusiastically participated in the sexual revolution. People here might try to blame everything on removing skirts from around table legs, but the reality is a bit more nuanced.

    Anyway, that is for another day.

    The point is, in my rich and varied career in the hullaballoo and mardi gras and groupiedom of lotsa sex, never once did a bloke whip it out absent an invitation.

    The only time I have ever seen that happen was while I was waiting at Blacktown station, when a clearly intoxicated bogan on the opposite platform did just that. Alas, since he had probably consumed 24 cans of JB and coke, nothing was ever going to happen. It was a disappointment all round.

    This kind of behaviour has nothing to do with sexual liberation. These guys are just exhibitionist pervs who used their power for kicks.

  228. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Biggles, No Friend of Reconciliation

    Have you no regard for Pest Tattern’s blood pressure?

  229. Tel

    How many martial arts? No one has been stopping them. Jesus.

    One to my knowledge which is Wing Chung, although arguably that’s more an offshoot of Shaolin Kung Fu with emphasis rearranged for smaller build people.

  230. Fisky

    LOL – what a surprise! The country shoppers are keen QANDA viewers –

    Behrouz Boochani‏ @BehrouzBoochani
    23h23 hours ago

    Gillian Triggs speech on Q&A was great, but at the same time shows she didn’t communicate with refugees in Manus directly. You can’t understand whole issue without understanding the people deeply. Human rights defenders who’ve been to Manus have clearest insight into situation

  231. herodotus

    Pope Francis has lost the plot in regards to the mission of the Church.
    And he’s going to install more cardinals after his own image, I guess.
    So much for divine guidance of the college. It’s now all looking more like politics.

  232. calli

    Anyone know to combat fruit bats crapping all over your back deck?

    Death ray.

  233. Top Ender

    It looks like there is nothing much to deter fruit bats.

    I learnt one thing checking out the various suggestions above – many thanks – including they don’t use sonar. Just a big flying rat basically with eyes….

  234. johanna

    .
    #2577372, posted on December 6, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    I don’t agree with Milo about his concern about private censorship.

    I think he should sue the NYT and Twitter for the American equivalents of false light and injurious falsehood, possibly even pure economic loss.

    Dot QC, CJ, reminds us yet again of the self-interested idiocy of the legal ‘profession.’

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