Wednesday Forum: December 6, 2017

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  1. hzhousewife

    I must get out my old collection of Cracker and see how they go.

    Gosh, that took me back. I thought Cracker was sensational TV at the time.

  2. Tintarella di Luna

    What’s Cracker, is it is a laxative?

  3. Top Ender

    It’s been mentioned here before, but this article is worth a visit if you haven’t seen it:

    This week, the Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven admitted that his country faced a crisis. On Thursday, it reinstated border controls, carrying out identity checks on passengers travelling by train across the strait from Denmark, and those arriving at ferry terminals in the south, to ‘maintain public order’.

    Concerns are growing over security, amid fears Sweden could pay a terrible price for its indiscriminate welcome of people whose identities and backgrounds have not been adequately checked.

    The country is running out of beds, the Migration Minister Morgan Johansson has warned, and the Swedish people — who already pay the highest taxes in Europe — have even been told their holiday homes may be seized to help out.

    The Swedish furniture store chain Ikea has almost sold out of mattresses because so many are needed for migrants’ accommodation in hotels, sports halls, ski chalets, summer schools, military camps, museums, theme parks — and the new tented villages beginning to dot the country.

    As for paying for all the newcomers, Sweden has dipped into part of its overseas aid budget but has also gone cap in hand to the EU, begging for emergency funding to cope with the ever-growing influx. In what many view as an act of rank hypocrisy, this week the government even asked other EU countries with tougher border controls to take migrants off their hands.

    Neighbouring Denmark refused. As its Immigration Minister Inger Stojberg bluntly explained: ‘The Swedes put themselves in this situation. They have pursued a very lenient immigration policy for years and they are to blame for the swamp they are in.’

    Pix also of the ferociously virtue-signalling refugee advocates…

    Link

  4. Dr Faustus

    I assume that the Ruddock Inquiry will now be quietly shelved.
    Job done.

  5. zyconoclast

    The love that dare not speak its name is about to become the love you dare not criticise.

    And the love that will never shut up.

  6. hzhousewife

    Cracker BBC? detective drama with a big fat guy with “issues” doing great work, riveting watching imho.

  7. Tel

    Tel – I’m a chemist. When you heat PTFE with oxygen and oil, fat or whatever, you will get a chemical reaction.

    That’s a fine theory but show me some real examples of it.

    http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/welcome-to-beautiful-parkersburg/

    There’s genuine cases of people and animals getting sick from PFOA (C8) including birth defects and cancer, but in all situations it is because of

    high levels of exposure

    either directly at the factory where they were handling C8 or else exposure to factory waste material that had not been properly disposed of. If similar cases were happening with all Teflon frying pan users we would be hearing about a worldwide cancer epidemic. Conclusion is that Teflon doesn’t give off these things.

    Also, the guy describes the test procedure for Teflon going up to 700F which is way beyond normal cooking. Admittedly there isn’t a sharp line, but normally people cook between 350F and 400F in that general range so there’s a massive margin. Maybe the presence of fat changes this thermal breakdown, but you would have to demonstrate that, or at least find an example. I would say if people really are burning their cookware around 700F and doing it in a closed space they might indeed get sick.

  8. Chris

    And the love that will never shut up.

    Shut the fuck up.

  9. Chris

    That’s a marriage proposal.

  10. Rae

    The supercruising ship is on the move.

    I do hope the pretentious one maintains a strict hand and other sanitizing regimen for the next 10 days.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    I would say if people really are burning their cookware around 700F and doing it in a closed space they might indeed get sick.

    If they are cooking their chops at 700 F they deserve to die.

  12. Farmer Gez

    So Plubbers reckons we’ll all remember where we were when marriage equality became law.
    Let me test that..tick tick tick.. What’s for tea dear?

  13. Baldrick

    I assume that the Ruddock Inquiry will now be quietly shelved

    It was always designed to pacify conservative views and never intended to do anything real other than for show.

  14. calli

    I want that Prince of Saud to gaze on that Da Vinci. Perhaps the penny will drop.

  15. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2578461, posted on December 7, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    Fuck off Libby Zee

  16. Leigh Lowe

    I want that Prince of Saud to gaze on that Da Vinci. Perhaps the penny will drop.

    More than likely he will make it into cushion covers.

  17. Tel

    If they are cooking their chops at 700 F they deserve to die.

    You force me to link to the infamous turbo charged barbeque. Yes, he really did install a turbo and it really does what it says on the box.

  18. Top Ender

    Very good Tinta.

    Try this then:

  19. stackja

    While Malaya was being attacked, 7th December 9 was dawning at Hawaii, 3,440 miles east of Japan, and 2,010 miles from San Francisco. The periscope of a submarine had been sighted off the entrance buoys to Pearl Harbour, America’s great Pacific naval and air base on Oahu Island, by a mine-sweeper at 3.42 a.m. Hawaiian time.

    9 Because Hawaii was on the other side of the International Date Line, the date was a day earlier than in Malaya.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Yara Pilbara intends to construct a renewable hydrogen plant at its ammonia production facility on the Burrup Peninsular….The proposal is for a pilot renewable hydrogen plant and is planned to be operating by 2019’

    ROFL.

    I have worked extensively with ammonia plants.
    Zero. Chance.
    The world is saturated with the stuff, and Australia is about as stupid a place as you could imagine to build one. And to do it using expensive renewbulls is crazy squared.

  21. zyconoclast

    Anyone watching The Girlfriend Experience on Stan? I’m no connoisseur but there’s a pretty decent lezzo sex between call girls. I just don’t get lezzos, as they really can’t have sex. What a sad bunch.

    Some time ago a woman asked what is it with men wanting to watch lezzo p0rn.
    I said it wasn’t the lezzoness, but looking at 2 [email protected] hot chicks is better than looking a one [email protected] hot chick.

  22. Empire GTHO Phase III

    From the Stockman article at Zerohedge:

    That he agreed to submit to the interview anyway, and then to lie, is surely one of the stupidest acts coming out of official Washington that we can recall from 47 years of observation. But perhaps it does explain why America’s legions of puffed-up generals have been such abysmal failures for onwards of a half-century now.

    Given his perjury was technical, is it possible Flynn thought be had nothing to hide and so acquiesced to the interview but screwed up what he meant in the interview transcript?

    I do agree with Stockman that Flynn is a bit of a deadshit. He should’ve told da bureau to fuck off.

  23. C.L.

    Trump takes gold … Obama, no medal for you …
    Twitter announces most tweeted Twitter accounts for 2017:

    1. @RealDonaldTrump
    2. @VP
    3. @SpeakerRyan
    4. @BarackObama
    5. @TedLieu
    6. @SenJohnMcCain
    7. @SenWarren
    8. @SenateMajLdr
    9. @SenSanders
    10. @SenSchumer
    11. @NancyPelosi
    12. @RepAdamSchiff
    13. @MarcoRubio
    14. @MaxineWaters
    15. @TedCruz

    Too much winning. Stop the winning.

  24. thefrollickingmole

    Tanya Plibersek says that everyone will remember where they were when the homosexual “marriage” bill became law

    In the stables with my pony thundercock..

    Weeping as we have to stay in the stall as “the love that dare not neigh its name”

    (the beagle looked upset as well)

  25. Stimpson J. Cat

    Where’s Bill Thompson?
    Bill get out there on the frontlines!

    We need some hard-hitting interviews with the Bakers on the ground!

    What’s the situation?

  26. John Constantine

    Deplorable CFA volunteers near Horsham are back in the wimmera mail times.

    In 2007, the volunteers proposed to build an earth tank dam to collect rain runoff as a fire fighting reserve big enough to fill ground firetrucks and helitankers.

    Would have been done for ten grand in2007.

    In their 2017 Australia, the council requires a forty thousand dollar upfront series of native vegetation surveys and aboriginal cultural heritage overlays be done before it considers issuing a permit.

    If the paperwork identifies an issue, then it gets expensive.

    This shows us why the State has to destroy the volunteer CFA.

    Only a volunteer organisation would complain, a tax funded State department would just go along with the regulations and everybody in on the Rort would be happy.

  27. thefrollickingmole

    Oh and on the reffo in Sweden from Eritrea not knowing a gun would fire if you pulled the trigger…

    http://www.refworld.org/docid/5084f3982.html
    all Eritrean citizens from the age of 18 to 40 years have the compulsory duty of performing Active National Service… [which] consists of six months of training in the National Service Training Center and 12 months of active military service and development tasks in military forces for a total of 18 months.

    Yeah, nah, i dont think so.

  28. zyconoclast

    Hawke’s Lager: Bob Hawke launches new beer bearing his name

    Tasting notes:
    Aged, wrinkled scrotum sweat, with a hint of Blanche saliva.
    Best consumed as an oral purgative.

  29. Stimpson J. Cat

    What’s Cracker, is it is a laxative?

    No, you’re thinking of Colon Blow.

  30. notafan

    It’s raining rather heavily in Melbournistan.

    Dan didn’t call, he didn’t text.

    Heartless.

  31. Stimpson J. Cat

    Has Charlie Brown moved Snoopy to a secure location?
    Tim Wilson and hubby just rang me asking for his number.

  32. Infidel Tiger

    Trump takes gold … Obama, no medal for you …
    Twitter announces most tweeted Twitter accounts for 2017:

    Even more reason for Trump to close his Twitter account.

    Twitter would fold within 48 hours.

  33. stackja

    Empire GTHO Phase III
    #2578482, posted on December 7, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    Many Nixon staff couldn’t keep quiet.

  34. thefrollickingmole

    Good to see the ABC not gilding the lilly/acting as cheerleader/pom pom waving or anything…

    TOP STORIES
    LIVE‘Love has won’

    Federal Parliament passes same-sex marriage bill. Follow live.
    Same-sex marriage bill passes House of Representatives

    The Australian Parliament signs off on same-sex marriage after weeks of debate and a months-long national postal survey.
    Same-sex marriage: How Australia’s change compares to gay rights around the world

    As Australia joins the dozens of nations that have already extended the right to marry to the LGBT community, there are still many places around the world where simply being gay carries with it the risk of jail or even death.

  35. H B Bear

    Trent Zimmerman gives the ultimate shout out to Warren Entsch, describes him as an “honorary gay” #ssm

    They’ll be riding ol’ Brokeback Warren hard tonight. Those arseless chaps are going straight (pardon the pun) to the drycleaners in the morning.

  36. H B Bear

    Based on 2017 airtime, now homo marriage is over the line half the ALPBC staff co-op can now be sacked and its budget halved.

  37. Tel

    Given his perjury was technical, is it possible Flynn thought be had nothing to hide and so acquiesced to the interview but screwed up what he meant in the interview transcript?

    General wishes for non-escalation would just be considered common diplomatic smalltalk. No one actually wants escalation between superpowers other than a few crazies with money in the arms industry. I doubt Flynn thought anything of it. Just like saying, “Peace brother” or “Have a nice day”.

    The other business with trying to change the UN vote, I guess that depends on exactly what he did to change the vote… mention it in passing? These guys have taken a very small thing and beaten it up into the ridiculous, which is outrageous when you compare to the many things Hillary is known to have been involved in : uranium deals, classified documents being unsecured, etc.

  38. stackja

    thefrollickingmole
    #2578484, posted on December 7, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    Where was Tanya, while he who did it?

  39. Stimpson J. Cat

    Oh and on the reffo in Sweden from Eritrea not knowing a gun would fire if you pulled the trigger…

    Why do White people always assume all Ethnics are slow or retarded?
    Most ethnics I know are very clever.

  40. nemkat

    Labor ready to claim Townsville, giving the party 48 seats

    Barely over the line on Green and One Nation preferences, in a former ALP stronghold.
    The Liberals problems will abate once Turnbull is booted, but Labor in Qld is an old, stale blancmange, and it’s on the way out.

  41. stackja

    Will there now be a surrogate baby boom?

  42. Infidel Tiger

    I see a teacher was jailed today for having sex with two of his students.

    In 10 years that will be perfectly acceptable and he will be issued an apology.

    #loveislovebutnotinallcasesjustyet

  43. Stimpson J. Cat

    ‘Love has won’

    Hopefully this will lead to the reformation of Chocolate Starfish.

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    Very good Tinta.

    Try this then:

    Thanks Top Ender – I love the Cat because I learn something new every day. My rural upbriging left some significant patches in my education.

  45. Bruce of Newcastle

    If similar cases were happening with all Teflon frying pan users we would be hearing about a worldwide cancer epidemic. Conclusion is that Teflon doesn’t give off these things.

    Not a valid deductive link Tel.
    One, the breakdown products of PTFE are as I said likely to be a range of chain lengths. Each will be different in their action. Two the amount release at any one time is small. Three it is accumulative, so builds up. Four there’s no toxicity data for such things that I know of, certainly not low dose. Five the issue with PFAS in airbases is from firefighting foam contaminating groundwater and such like. Thus the levels are going to be even lower if sourced in that way. Six: how can you tell PFAS is from the cookware, exposure to groundwater or whatever or simply because the excretion pathway for a particular person is slower than for another person.

    An even more valid deduction is that PFAS in low doses is harmless or near harmless. The second deduction is that you can’t blame the airbase when the PFAS is more likely to have come from years of exposure in cooking.

    Also, the guy describes the test procedure for Teflon going up to 700F which is way beyond normal cooking. Admittedly there isn’t a sharp line, but normally people cook between 350F and 400F in that general range so there’s a massive margin.

    This is a spectrum not a threshold Tel. Rates of reactions typically double each 10 C of temperature. Furthermore your cookware is being subjected to highly reactive singlet oxygen, oxides of nitrogen, cosmic rays, mould and etc all the time it sits in the cupboard. So you will have a natural degradation and a forced degradation.

    The empirical outcome is clear to anyone who has used Teflon frypans, as I have for decades. The area over the hot zone decrepitates and starts to peel. Eventually it comes off. You are eating small amounts of it. And any decomposition products. Since there is an abundance of oxygen around, and water from the food, oxidation and hydrolysis of activated bits of the chain will produce carboxylic acid groups at the ends.

    My PhD happens to be in organic chemistry. I do know this stuff rather well, although I am not a PF specialist. My reading of the hordes of excitable websites about this is it is the same sort of bullshit that has infested the debates over nuclear power, all sorts of other chemicals, lead, mercury, CO2 and electromagnetic radiation. On the other hand mortality from things like dimethylmercury, asbestos and tobacco are real.

  46. thefrollickingmole

    Hopefully this will lead to the reformation of Chocolate Starfish.

    Theyve got old and grey.

    They are now bleached starfish.

  47. Snoopy

    I’m saving myself for you Stimpy. Interspecies marriage can’t be far off. Can you wait until early 2019?

  48. Infidel Tiger

    When same-sex marriage finally passed Parliament, gravity no longer had meaning

    http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/when-samesex-marriage-finally-passed-parliament-gravity-no-longer-had-meaning-20171207-h00lm7.html

    Imagine if these contemptible pieces of shit cared as deeply about jobs, Aboriginal disadvantage, national security, free speech or the deficit?

    We are truly ruled by the stupidest and most self centred people on earth.

  49. stackja

    Tel
    #2578500, posted on December 7, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    HRC faces different rules.

  50. Stimpson J. Cat

    Will there now be a surrogate baby boom?

    I have literally just trademarked
    Bespoke Baby Boutique.

  51. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    When the far Left was a global force, the mainstream liberal Left had to draw dividing lines and defend itself from its attacks. Now that the far Left threatens no one, the borders have gone. The media would hound from public life any conservative who shared platforms with members of a neo-Nazi group. But respectable leftists can now associate with those who would once have been regarded as poisonous extremists — and no one notices.

    — Nick Cohen

    Sam Mata Hari

  52. H B Bear

    Lord Waffleworth secures his legacy. Meanwhile the Lieboral base are the ones getting rogered.

  53. Bruce of Newcastle

    I should mention I’ve been using PTFE and PDFE extensively in materials in labs and operating plants for several decades. Of course I don’t eat the contents of the beaker afterwards though.

  54. H B Bear

    Of course I don’t eat the contents of the beaker afterwards though.

    Sound practice.

  55. A Lurker

    Can someone post a link to the MPs who voted for ssm in the House of Reps today, and also who voted against the various protections. Just for reference for future elections.

  56. Dr Faustus

    So, it looks like a Palacechook micro-majority government in Queensland – at least until ALP members start falling foul of breaches of AVO’s, official misconduct, and criminal offences carrying a potential jail sentence.

    It will be terrible, of course – but I suspect better than whatever the grinning retard Tim Nichols would serve up in coalition with the Katter boys, PHON, an ex-ALP ‘independent’ and a Green.
    FMD.

  57. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m saving myself for you Stimpy. Interspecies marriage can’t be far off. Can you wait until early 2019?

    Ren just yelled out
    “F$ck off you harlot beagle b$tch!!!”
    from the cellar.

  58. Leigh Lowe

    Hopefully this will lead to the reformation of Chocolate Starfish.

    Not possible.
    Sadly, I think one of their number has passed away.

  59. one old bruce

    Watching Turnbull dancing around spouting about ‘love’ is so depressing.

    But a visit to the Cat comments always cheers me up. Thank you all.

  60. zyconoclast

    So, it looks like a Palacechook micro-majority government in Queensland – at least until ALP members start falling foul of breaches of AVO’s, official misconduct, and criminal offences carrying a potential jail sentence.

    Where is Billy Boy when you need him?

    Controversial Queensland MP Billy Gordon won’t run in state election

    Cook MP Billy Gordon goes to ground over lack of valid car licence

    Billy Gordon says he has been ‘cleared by police’ over domestic violence allegations

  61. one old bruce

    My fave Ren and Stimp episode was when he sat in a cave meditating, then created an idol out of his own ear-wax. I must try to get dvds of that show.

  62. Stimpson J. Cat

    Of course I don’t eat the contents of the beaker afterwards though.

    Meep Meep!!!

  63. hzhousewife

    Can someone post a link to the MPs who voted for ssm in the House of Reps today, and also who voted against the various protections. Just for reference for future elections.

    There were only about 4 against, the rest fell over. John Roskam on with Bolt just now. The beer and whisky are out !

  64. Delta A

    Ren just yelled out
    “F$ck off you harlot beagle b$tch!!!”

    In all the years I’ve been watching your shows, I never realised that you and Ren were… well, like ‘that’.

    Now I know. It wasn’t despair that prompted, “I got no pants!’ It was some serious sickly sort of foreplay.

    (Stern Harrumph!)

  65. Oh come on

    m0nty

    #2577843, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:14 am

    when is mueller going to jail?

    Hmm, good question OWG. I guess the correct answer is “when the criminals in the Trump Administration are allowed visitors”. LOL.

    Monty make a funny.

    At least somebody finds m0nty funny. Never mind that it’s m0nty himself.

    The image of m0nty losing his mind with laughter at his own rubbish jokes is almost as embarrassing as m0nty’s masturbatory fantasising about the outcome of Mueller’s investigation.

  66. Snoopy

    Need proof Americans are liars?

    The country’s highest percentage of heavy drinkers can be found in Washington DC, according to a new study.

    More than half of the adults in DC have had at least one drink in the past month, the study shows, and 11.1 percent of residents consumed more than one a day.

  67. Oh come on

    m0nty

    #2577843, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:14 am

    when is mueller going to jail?

    Hmm, good question OWG. I guess the correct answer is “when the criminals in the Trump Administration are allowed visitors”. LOL.

    Monty make a funny.

    At least somebody finds m0nty funny. Never mind that it’s m0nty himself.

    The image of m0nty losing his mind with laughter at his own rubbish jokes is almost as embarrassing as m0nty’s masturbatory fantasising about the outcome of Mueller’s investigation.

    (blockquote repair)

  68. zyconoclast

    Can someone post a link to the MPs who voted for ssm in the House of Reps today, and also who voted against the various protections. Just for reference for future elections.

    Opponents of same-sex marriage including Liberals Andrew Hastie, Kevin Andrews and Tony Abbott pushed for changes, but none of their amendments succeeded.

    and Bob Katter

  69. one old bruce

    So when do the words ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ get banned?

  70. Stimpson J. Cat

    In all the years I’ve been watching your shows, I never realised that you and Ren were… well, like ‘that’.

    We aren’t like that.
    He just gets Space Madness once a month around Full Moon.
    Sometimes I accidentally leave him down there a few extra days.

  71. Snoopy

    Billy Gordon says he has been ‘cleared by police’

    That worked for another Labor figure.

  72. Delta A

    He just gets Space Madness once a month around Full Moon.
    Sometimes I accidentally leave him down there a few extra days.

    That’ll teach me for asking. 🙂

  73. one old bruce

    Really, such a Turnbull performance on tonite’s news. ‘Love! Love for all! Calloo callay, Oh frabjius day!’

  74. hzhousewife

    Will there now be a surrogate baby boom?

    Probably. Then in 30 years time there will be a rash of mental health issues because ” I’m anti-social because I had two (mums)(dads), don’t know my true parentage”. And we will all have to pay for the therapy.

  75. zyconoclast

    New York City’s racial achievement gaps widen as students get older, report finds

    The achievement gaps between racial groups in New York City appear as soon as students begin taking state tests and get worse over time, according to a new analysis of state test-score data.

    Black and Hispanic students score below their white and Asian peers beginning in third grade, then fall further behind as they move into middle school, according to a report released Tuesday by the city’s Independent Budget Office.

  76. Delta A

    You forgot the sorry day, hzhousewife.

  77. stackja

    hzhousewife
    #2578540, posted on December 7, 2017 at 7:56 pm
    Will there now be a surrogate baby boom?

    Probably. Then in 30 years time there will be a rash of mental health issues because ” I’m anti-social because I had two (mums)(dads), don’t know my true parentage”. And we will all have to pay for the therapy.

    Next change? Use your imagination.

  78. calli

    No Sir! I don’t like it!

  79. Stimpson J. Cat

    I actually just asked Mr Horse what he thought about SSM.

    “No Sir, I don’t like it,”
    he said.

  80. H B Bear

    Then in 30 years time there will be a rash of mental health issues because ” I’m anti-social because I had two (mums)(dads), don’t know my true parentage”. And we will all have to pay for the therapy.

    Relax. Everyone will be on the NDIS by then.

  81. Baldrick

    Can someone post a link to the MPs who voted for ssm in the House of Reps today, and also who voted against the various protections. Just for reference for future elections.

    Easier to post who voted no or abstained:

    The four no votes:
    Victorian Liberal Russell Broadbent,
    Queensland Nationals Keith Pitt and David Littleproud, and
    Queensland crossbencher Bob Katter.

    Abstained :
    Tony Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Michael Sukkar, Kevin Andrews and George Christensen.

  82. calli

    Oh bother. Should have refreshed. This place is like quicksilver.

  83. one old bruce

    “Can someone post a link to the MPs who voted for ssm in the House of Reps today”

    Looks like almost all of them are caught up in the heady fever of this ‘victory’. Rather alienating for me at least.

  84. herodotus

    Parliament has been reduced to street theatre with props (normally not allowed), heckling from the “groundlings” (elevated in the gallery), and Malcolm prancing around saying it’s all about Lurv and we, the government, are Delivering.
    It’s all quite sick-making.

  85. zyconoclast

    Women Under Islam
    A feminist takes an unblinking look at gender repression in the Muslim world.

    Phyllis Chesler’s crucial early encounter with the reality of Muslim social norms began in 1961, when, at the age of 20, she married an Afghan student she met while attending Bard College. Totally unprepared for what was to follow, she accompanied him to his family home in Kabul. Nearly 50 years later, Chesler told this extraordinary story in detail, in her 2013 book An American Bride in Kabul. Using her old journals and letters, she describes her five months in her father-in-law’s patriarchal, polygamous Muslim household, from which, sick and undernourished, she finally escaped.
    Buttressing this account are details from the extensive reading Chesler did over many years in an effort to understand better her own experience, and that of women in the Muslim world generally. Turning her attention first to her own, American, society, Chesler became a feminist activist, reformer, and writer. Her 1972 bestseller Women and Madness sold 2.5 million copies and established her as a major feminist voice of the seventies. Over the course of writing a dozen books in the subsequent years, Chesler came to realize that the West had made remarkable progress in advancing the status of women, while across much of the Muslim world a surge of Islamic fundamentalism had reversed progress in women’s rights.
    Islamic Gender Apartheid: Exposing a Veiled War against Women, Chesler’s new book, comprises a series of essays published between 2003 and 2016. She is particularly incensed that the same people who describe Israel, falsely, as an “apartheid state” routinely disregard the indisputable gender apartheid existing in much of the Arab and Muslim world. The result is that the seclusion of women, face and full-body veiling (Chesler describes the burqa as a “sensory deprivation chamber”), female genital mutilation, so-called honor killings, polygamy, rape, and other forms of violence against women (as well as against gays, apostates, dissenters, and religious minorities) are all excused—or simply denied—by Western liberal apologists for Islamism.
    Chesler has no patience for the refusal of feminists and other left-liberals to criticize women’s subjection under Islam (which, she reminds us, means “submission”), a reality she discusses in great detail, citing case after case, changes in law and custom, Western capitulation to Islamist complaints and demands, international pronouncements, and political developments. She exposes and protests the barrage of distortions disseminated by academics, the elite media, certain feminist groups, paid propagandists, true believers, and others.
    This stance, along with Chesler’s impassioned defense of Israel, has led to her ostracism by activists and ideologues whose main concern is to vilify the West. This, of course, requires persistent denial of the fact that the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the world over the past few decades have been undertaken by Islamists proclaiming their commitment to jihad, and that most Muslims worldwide are not protesting what is being done in their name. Throughout his presidency, Barack Obama led the way in refusing to identify notorious terrorist acts as the work of Muslims operating in the name of Islam.
    Not that this is a peculiarly American problem. Chesler writes of escalating crime rates in European countries with large Muslim immigrant populations, a fact suppressed, often with the collusion of local police and government officials. Similarly, while anti-Semitic attacks in many Western countries are minimized, every new terrorist outrage is accompanied by concerns over Islamophobic “backlashes” that never seem to materialize.
    Chesler has maintained fearlessness and fidelity for decades as she responds to lies and distortions, highlighting the human costs of cultivating hypocrisy and denial, always insisting on distinguishing facts from accusations, using reason and evidence to combat the by-now routine charges of racism that foreclose informed discussion and dissenting views. As a result, genuine feminist heroes such as Chesler and Ayaan Hirsi Ali get excluded, boycotted, or disinvited from talks and conferences, while community activist Linda Sarsour, who promotes Sharia law and speaks contemptuously of those who disagree with her, is a celebrity on college campuses and in the media.
    Chesler insists on an absolute commitment to universal human rights, without culturally relativist excuses. “No one seems to understand,” she wrote in 2015, “the slightest thing about Muslim history in terms of its anti-black racism, conversion via the sword, hatred and persecution of the kuffar (infidel), its gender and religious apartheid, and its very long record of colonialism, imperialism, and genocide…. Anyone who notes the surreal nature of Islamic barbarism operating today is also viewed suspiciously and nervously.” Chesler’s unswerving allegiance to exposing the world’s real war on women has cost her friends in high places, but her experience and knowledge of the life of women under Islam make her an invaluable resource for anyone eager to look past the distortions and misrepresentations we routinely hear about the Muslim world.

  86. old bloke

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2578228, posted on December 7, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    After all, isn’t their claim on East Jerusalem based on the belief that the Prophet Mo had a dream that he ascended to Heaven on a winged horse from there?

    I don’t know the full details, but that interpretation of Mohammed’s dream came from a former Syrian Muslim ruler who had been denied access to Mecca due to some dispute with the Arabs. He therefore decided that Jerusalem was a Muslim “holy city” and his people could worship there instead of Mecca.

    Mohammed’s winged horse dream was about Medina, he never went to Jerusalem and he always said it was a [email protected] city.

  87. calli

    Or Hi ho, Silver!

    😃🐴

  88. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Can someone post a link to the MPs who voted for ssm in the House of Reps today, and also who voted against the various protections. Just for reference for future elections.

    I’m wondering how all those Labor members who’s Western Sydney electorates voted “No” at the plebiscite, but voted “Yes” in the House will fare. Linda Burney and Tony Burke, I’m looking at you.

  89. calli

    Powdered Toast Man was not available for comment.

  90. H B Bear

    Victorian Liberal Russell Broadbent,

    Abstained :
    Tony Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Michael Sukkar, Kevin Andrews and George Christensen.

    Anyone expecting a phoenix to rise from the post-Waffleworthian ashes of the Lieboral Party is kidding themselves. It’s full of turkeys.

  91. zyconoclast

    Baldrick
    #2578548, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    Thanks for correcting the record.

  92. Empire GTHO Phase III

    the grinning retard Tim Nichols

    How do notalentmofos like him become parliamentary leaders?

  93. one old bruce

    My recent fling with a local dance teacher is over, sadder but wiser.

    My wife of 35 years took me back. It was an arranged marriage in 1982, Hindu. No vows, no mention of ‘love’. We stood before the Sacred Fire and threw offerings of barley, chanting mantras. Her cloth was tied to mine. The obligation is to carry on ‘Dharma’: basically have kids and raise them well. Which we did, one topped his engineering year at uni and is now innovating in industry.

    Maybe only after 35 years of marriage ups and downs am I beginning to understand what love means. Glad I didn’t superficially waffle on about it before this.

  94. calli

    Abstained: Tony Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Michael Sukkar, Kevin Andrews and George Christensen.

    So now we know. Cowards.

    While others, like myself, have risked and endured the horrors of family anger by sticking to our guns. Unbelievable.

  95. Oh come on

    So some Palestinian hotheads today burnt Israeli and US flags in impotent protest at Trump’s bold gesture of global leadership in formally accepting reality that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Big frickin’ deal. I guess a few Muslim extremists will threaten to blow some shit up and kill a few innocent people, too – as if that’s something we’re not used to and that they wouldn’t be doing anyway.

  96. Boambee John

    Des D at 1751

    Maybe not, but DFAT has a strong and ongoing internal culture – that is, among other things, strongly anti-Israel and strongly pro Indonesia – reflecting the fact that the diplomatic side of the agency is recruited very largely, if not almost entirely, from an hereditary caste.

    In the late 70s/early 80s there was a group in DFAT called the Belgrade Mafia for their devotion to the service of Yugoslavia.

    No more Yugo these days, so perhaps they have changed their loyalties?

  97. Rossini

    one old bruce
    #2578563, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    WTF?

  98. Roger

    So, it looks like a Palacechook micro-majority government in Queensland – at least until ALP members start falling foul of breaches of AVO’s, official misconduct, and criminal offences carrying a potential jail sentence.

    Jo-Ann Miller can call her own shots in the meantime.

    Meanwhile, the ALP gov’t will continue with its de facto budget repair tax via retail electricity charges.

  99. Abstained :
    Tony Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Michael Sukkar, Kevin Andrews and George Christensen.

    So Abbott didn’t even have the balls to vote ‘NO’.
    I have long suspected that the bulge in his budgie smugglers was just a pair of socks.
    Now we know.

  100. Bruce of Newcastle

    So nine MPs either voted no or abstained out of 150 MPs.

    In the survey 38.4% voted no.

    Any wonder that the Australian voters are fed up with our so called representatives? Who needs a deep state when you already have an openly operating Gramsci one?

  101. cynical1

    Slimy Sam is basically a fucking spy.

  102. Stimpson J. Cat

    Abstained: Tony Abbott

    Of course he did.
    He has his sister’s wedding to go to.

  103. Oh come on

    I’m wondering how all those Labor members who’s Western Sydney electorates voted “No” at the plebiscite, but voted “Yes” in the House will fare. Linda Burney and Tony Burke, I’m looking at you.

    They’ll fare just fine. It’s not as though their Yes votes on SSM are deal-breakers for their voting base.

  104. stackja

    calli
    #2578564, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:08 pm
    Abstained: Tony Abbott

    Warringah voted for ssm. As did electorates of Christensen, Andrews.
    They went against their electorates.

  105. calli

    I can’t begin to express how upset I am that those buggers didn’t vote. I hope the barbed wire on the fence stings them for the rest of their miserable “careers”.

  106. Baldrick

    Still trying to double-check but Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce look like they’ve abstained also.

  107. Roger

    Slimy Sam is basically a fucking spy.

    No.

    Spies act with a certain integrity in the interests of their nation.

    Sam turned traitor for mere filthy lucre.

  108. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Probably. Then in 30 years time there will be a rash of mental health issues because ” I’m anti-social because I had two (mums)(dads), don’t know my true parentage”. And we will all have to pay for the therapy.

    The first generation to be truly owned by the state.

    We now have fourth generation welfare recipients thanks to Liars 1972-5, but they are clients.

    The freaks that gender bending hormone doping, mutilation and two-dads psychosis produce will be owned by the collective. Our taxes will fund the institutionalisation of an army of ross wards.

  109. stackja

    calli
    #2578578, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    Warringah voted for ssm. As did electorates of Christensen, Andrews.
    They went against their electorates.

  110. Tintarella di Luna

    Anyone expecting a phoenix to rise from the post-Waffleworthian ashes of the Lieboral Party is kidding themselves. It’s full of turkeys.

    And isn’t Christmas the killing season?

  111. notafan

    Genuinely young and naive.

    And lucky to be alive.

    Puts Susan Carland’s what I did for love quite in the shade.

    a little piece on Phyllis Chester’s marriage

  112. Infidel Tiger

    Abbott was going to vote Yes but decided to abstain after they refused to pass religious protections.

    Good for him. I hope he gets absolutely shit faced at his sisters shindig.

  113. cynical1

    Spies act with a certain integrity in the interests of their nation.

    Sam turned traitor for mere filthy lucre.

    The penalty for being caught is the same.

    Well, used to be.

  114. Boambee John

    C.L.
    #2578404, posted on December 7, 2017 at 6:05 pm
    LOL.
    Tanya Plibersek says that everyone will remember where they were when the homosexual “marriage” bill became law.

    In front of the idiot box, spitting chips?

  115. Mater

    They’ll fare just fine. It’s not as though their Yes votes on SSM are deal-breakers for their voting base

    DSP trumps SSM.

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I don’t know the full details, but that interpretation of Mohammed’s dream came from a former Syrian Muslim ruler who had been denied access to Mecca due to some dispute with the Arabs. He therefore decided that Jerusalem was a Muslim “holy city” and his people could worship there instead of Mecca.

    Mohammed’s winged horse dream was about Medina, he never went to Jerusalem and he always said it was a [email protected] city.

    My translated version of the Quran has Mo and the Archangel Gabriel flying from the sacred mosque, which I presume is Mecca, to the site of the Temple (Jerusalem) on said winged horse. There they met Jesus, Abraham, Moses and other prophets. Mo led them all in prayer, before he and Gabriel climbed a ladder to Heaven. (I’m serious!)

  117. Oh come on

    I don’t think abstaining is going against one’s electorate in the event a national plebiscite on the issue has been held and it’s clear which seats voted Yes and which seats voted No. If an MP has a stated opinion on the issue that’s been put to the people, and it differs from that of their electorate, I think the right thing to do is to abstain. The electorate knows what their MP’s position is, but if the electorate has formally provided its position, I think the right thing to do in that specific circumstance is to either adhere to your electorate’s stated position or not take part in the parliamentary vote at all.

    Burke, Burney and the other western Sydney MPs from majority No seats also should have abstained rather than vote contrary to the wishes of their constituents.

  118. Roger

    The penalty for being caught is the same.

    Well, used to be.

    Spies were executed.

    Traitors were traditionally hung, drawn and quartered.

  119. .

    Snoopy
    #2578386, posted on December 7, 2017 at 5:53 pm
    Largest Crypto-Mining Exchange Confirms It Was Hacked, $62 Million In Bitcoin Stolen

    #FakeNews. It can’t happen because blockchain.

    /dot

    There is no point in correcting persistent, pathological liars like Snoopy.

  120. notafan

    I don’t hold it against them Calli.

    All in electorates that majority voted yes afaik

    There was no conscience vote and it would make no difference to the outcome.

    I never wanted a plebiscite, though I did vote.

    You cannot really vote on the nature of things.

    Voting one way or the other indicates that you accept that ssmarriage is real.

    No legislation in world will change the truth of the thing.

    It’s impossible for two people of the same sex to marry.

    End of story.

    Btw have you seen the latest in the insulting Christianity stakes?

    Same sex Nativity scenes.

    Never stops.

  121. calli

    Was this a conscience vote or wasn’t it?

  122. H B Bear

    Tanya Plibersek says that everyone will remember where they were when the homosexual “marriage” bill became law.

    Bent over by the gaystapo and their media arm the ALPBC?

  123. Boambee John

    Leigh Lowe
    #2578472, posted on December 7, 2017 at 6:59 pm
    I want that Prince of Saud to gaze on that Da Vinci. Perhaps the penny will drop.

    More than likely he will make it into cushion covers.

    Heardca story while in the Netherlands in the 80s that relatively soon after it was painted, the owner of The Night Watch moved it to a different room in his palace.

    The new room was smaller, to make it fit a bit was cut off each end.

    That young bloke, Rembrandt, not a bad painter, but he will never be in the top tier?

  124. stackja

    Oh come on
    #2578593, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    ALP voted as they were told to by BS.

  125. Atoms for Peace

    ZK2A..Did Mo have a cert 3 in ladder use?

  126. nemkat

    Warringah voted for ssm. As did electorates of Christensen, Andrews.
    They went against their electorates.

    The whole thing was sinister.
    Given that there was a barcode on the survey form identifying the voter, the fact that nearly 5 million people defied the party line makes a mockery of the prancing about in Canberra today.

  127. egg_

    Tanya Plibersek says that everyone will remember where they were when the homosexual “marriage” bill became law.

    Up shit creek/alley?

  128. stackja

    calli
    #2578597, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:28 pm
    Was this a conscience vote or wasn’t it?

    Not a conscience vote by the Yes! Was a conscience vote by the No,

  129. Oh come on

    Calli: I think that, in the rare case when there is a direct vote from the people on an issue, then MPs must either act as delegates of the people who elected them, or not act at all.

  130. stackja

    nemkat
    #2578603, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    No vote was always going against the tide.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Traitors were traditionally hung, drawn and quartered.

    We’ve had lunch in a London Pub “Hung, Drawn and Quartered.” It’s near Tower Hill…

  132. Oh come on

    ALP voted as they were told to by BS.

    I think the matter was decided at a national ALP Conference, but I have no doubt that these Yessers fully believe in SSM anyway.

  133. stackja

    Oh come on
    #2578607, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    ALP voted as expected.

  134. Roger

    Traitors were traditionally hung, drawn and quartered.

    Dastyari’s merely had a few sinecures withdrawn by Shorten.

    Shows how little Labor values our country’s interests vis a vis China.

    Bob Hawke led the way, of course.

  135. stackja

    Oh come on
    #2578610, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    ALP has gone off.

  136. Tel

    I think the matter was decided at a national ALP Conference, but I have no doubt that these Yessers fully believe in SSM anyway.

    They are answerable to their electorates on the basis of a conscience vote; because they claimed it was a conscience vote.

  137. Chris

    I think that, in the rare case when there is a direct vote from the people on an issue, then MPs must either act as delegates of the people who elected them, or not act at all.

    Yes. Abbot did the right thing.

  138. stackja

    2GB sound bite: MT happy and gay.

  139. stackja

    Tel
    #2578614, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:39 pm
    I think the matter was decided at a national ALP Conference, but I have no doubt that these Yessers fully believe in SSM anyway.

    They are answerable to their electorates on the basis of a conscience vote; because they claimed it was a conscience vote.

    The next election will tell.

  140. Peter Castieau


    No legislation in world will change the truth of the thing.

    It’s impossible for two people of the same sex to marry.

    End of story.

    My sentiments exactly. Thanks Notafan

  141. calli

    Calli: I think that, in the rare case when there is a direct vote from the people on an issue, then MPs must either act as delegates of the people who elected them, or not act at all.

    Their electorates knew they were Christians. The “No” vote was already a fait accompli. This was an opportunity to stand for Christ. They didn’t.

    I know it isn’t a little maiden in a dark courtyard asking an inconvenient question. These guys know how it ends, and still they folded.

  142. Roger

    I think that, in the rare case when there is a direct vote from the people on an issue, then MPs must either act as delegates of the people who elected them, or not act at all.

    We have a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.

    A majority can tyrranise just as easily as an absolute monarch.

  143. stackja

    notafan
    #2578596, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    The next law will stop any questioning of two people of the same sex to marry.

  144. Roger

    This was an opportunity to stand for Christ. They didn’t.

    Calli, our Lord sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.

    He doesn’t need mere mortals to stand up for Him, though He surely remembers when they do.

    Messrs. Abbott, Sukkar et. al. will answer to Him for their actions, and so will every other parliamentarian.

    Christus Rex!

    The nation that forgets that will suffer the consequences. Kyrie, eleison!

  145. calli

    Sorry, the “yes” vote.

    Disgust causes typos.

  146. Baldrick

    Was this a conscience vote or wasn’t it?

    Not for Labor, they voted Yes as a block even though there were several Labor MP’s who were against homo-hoedowns.

  147. calli

    Chuckle. The Beloved agrees with you, OCO.

    And I still have the sh*ts.

  148. nemkat

    No vote was always going against the tide.

    Maybe, but do you think that having to cast an identifiable ballot might change voting behaviour?

  149. Oh come on

    We have a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.

    I’m well aware of this. But, as I said, on the exceedingly rare occasion when the people have a direct vote on an issue, their elected MPs must either act as delegates of that vote or not vote at all.

    What if the No vote won the day and the politicians went ahead and legalised SSM anyway? Would you be excusing this with the same argument you’re putting forward about living in a representative democracy?

  150. cynical1

    Dangerous times.

    When Police decide who has protection and who needs to pay for their own safety.

    Feral fuckers riot.

    Function promoter gets bill.

    Good luck with the Gay Mardi Gras organizers getting a bill.

    Even a cleaning bill.

    The long march is near the home straight.

  151. Robber Baron

    Abstaining in the homo vote is no different to voting yes.

    A NO vote would have sent a strong message that freedom to object to homo marriage is a right.

    We have shit representatives.

  152. Leigh Lowe

    Heardca story while in the Netherlands in the 80s that relatively soon after it was painted, the owner of The Night Watch moved it to a different room in his palace.

    Leonardo’s Last Supper was painted as a fresco on the wall of a Dominican refectory. At some point, someone decided that they needed easier access from the kitchen to the refectory so punched a doorway through the bottom centre of the painting. Fortunately the waiters were short-arses, so the renovations only took oit Jesus feet, and not a bigger chunk of the work.
    Or maybe Leonardo was shit at drawing feet so put in the doorway to cover his deficiencies.

  153. Oh come on

    May I commend you on your excellent taste in Beloveds, Calli! 🙂

  154. max

    The anthem sung in Parliament today was carelessly chosen.

    ‘Tomorrow Belongs To Me’ would have been much more suited to the occasion and the participants.

  155. Fisky

    Latest from Country Shopper Twitter –

    Behrouz Boochani‏ @BehrouzBoochani

    Passing the #marriage equality bill is a great humanitarian achievement,congratulations to all from Manus. Interesting that Greens, Labor & the public got it thru but the PM is pretending he & his party were main players in passing this historical motion.His happiness is strange.

    Hilarious! It’s almost like GetUp! are writing this stuff for them.

  156. Fisky

    It’s pretty obvious that the Country Shoppers’ antics aren’t even aimed at convincing voters anymore, they know it’s a lost cause. They are investing 100% in influencing the Labor Party, and trying to soften them up before they win the next election.

  157. Farmer Gez

    Tonightly with Tom Ballard On ABC kiddie channel.

    He’s in a wedding dress to celebrate the happy day.
    You’ve got to admire his tenacity, four episodes along and not a single laugh in sight. It must be the longest set up for a gag in history.

  158. H B Bear

    The anthem sung in Parliament today was carelessly chosen.
    ‘Tomorrow Belongs To Me’ would have been much more suited to the occasion and the participants.

    Go West or Relax perhaps?

  159. Robber Baron

    Watching Zimmerman with rainbow flag standing with Entch, both standing behind Plibbers and Tits sent a powerful message to all conservatives and libertarians…the uniparty is firmly in control of both sides of the chamber.

    Never vote liberal again…never ever.

  160. Bruce of Newcastle

    Pretty dismal here this evening so look squirrel.

    Scientists call on US to allow research on pot meds for pets

    Dr. Byron Maas surveys a supply of marijuana products for dogs that lines a shelf in his veterinary clinic. They’re selling well.

    Dogs on pot. Hmmm.

    Los Angeles to become nation’s largest city with recreational pot

    A whole city on pot, dogs and all. What could possibly go wrong?

    Mysterious condition dubbed ‘scromiting’ hits weed smokers across the US and causes them to vomit AND scream

    There’s your answer. Scromiting.
    Sounds like the Cat after a SSM vote…screaming and throwing up.

  161. notafan

    Doesn’t behrouz rely on a translator?

    600 mostly Muslim men on manus celebrating same sex marriage.

    Sounds about right

  162. Fisky

    Kaleem‏ @Manusisland
    53m53 minutes ago

    Australia said yes to Marriageequality. congratulations to the campaigners who fought so hard to get every YES voter. love means strength and hope. Now let’s fight so hard to get every Yes for Manus.we are here without crime 4.5 years..I hope we will win.

  163. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    600 mostly Muslim men on manus celebrating same sex marriage.

    I did wonder about that, indeed.

  164. Makka

    Never vote liberal again…never ever.

    They must suffer an electoral Hiroshima.

  165. Fisky

    Samad Abdul‏ @Samad_durrani88
    1h1 hour ago

    The moment i saw in the parliament house today was so emotional and full of happiness, can you give the same happiness to the gay people who are suffering for almost 5 years in Manus?

    #ManusSOS

    Pahahahahahahaha!

  166. nemkat

    Be very surprised if Entsch faced the voters in Leichhardt again, and Zimmerman wont last long anyway.
    The Liberal Party still has a constituency, but the people in control have worn out their welcome.

  167. stackja

    “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”

  168. Oh come on

    If it were a conventional parliamentary vote, RB, I’d agree with you. But the matter was put to the people, a party won an election promising a direct vote which would let the people decide, and the people decided. MPs, in such a circumstance, should never vote against the will of their electorate. They should either vote in line with the majority vote of their electorate, or abstain if they cannot do this in good conscience.

    I think it reflects exceedingly poorly on the MPs of electorates who voted against the will of their constituents, actually. Burke, Burney etc ought to be ashamed of themselves. It’s a great pity they won’t pay a political price for their betrayal of their electorates, but they won’t. I expect they realised this when they were deciding whether or not they should betray their electorates.

  169. cynical1

    The moment i saw in the parliament house today was so emotional and full of happiness, can you give the same happiness to the gay people who are suffering for almost 5 years in Manus?

    Kind of.

    Stick it up your arse.

  170. Oh come on

    Passing the #marriage equality bill is a great humanitarian achievement,congratulations to all from Manus. Interesting that Greens, Labor & the public got it thru but the PM is pretending he & his party were main players in passing this historical motion.His happiness is strange.

    LOL sorry this person is far too stupid to allow into our country.

  171. Leigh Lowe

    Interesting that posters are starting to appear around Melbourne about AIDS. Have seen them from the stretch limo (#250 bus) so haven’t got the fine print, but there seems to be no mention of the obvious high risk groups. They seem to be following the “Grim Reaper” themes… “first it was gays and IV drug users, then it affected everyone”.
    Yeah, nah.
    That is bullshit.
    You don’t get me twice.

  172. Oh come on

    can you give the same happiness to the gay people who are suffering for almost 5 years in Manus?

    Yep, if it’s between that or hanging by the neck from a crane in Iran. Them’s your choices, gay Iranian. Oh, you are from Iran, right?

  173. Pickles

    Apologies if it’s already been said but December 7th. A day of infamy.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yep, if it’s between that or hanging by the neck from a crane in Iran. Them’s your choices, gay Iranian. Oh, you are from Iran, right?

    I’ll pay that one.

  175. Oh come on

    Sometimes it’s hard to know, Zulu, because they tended to mysteriously lose their passports before they were apprehended by Australian authorities. However, I’m sure they are from where they say they’re from and aren’t playing us for chumps or anything like that!

  176. Leigh Lowe

    Never vote liberal again…never ever.

    Next election I intend to volunteer to distribute Team Trumble HTV cards in several marginal electorates.
    I will dutifully go around and collect said cards … and go straight to the tip.
    I will post evidence of my treachery on FB and Twatter at 5:59 pm on polling day with the hashtags #blackhandtactics and #winnerscircle.

  177. candy

    So Abbott didn’t even have the balls to vote ‘NO’.
    I have long suspected that the bulge in his budgie smugglers was just a pair of socks.
    Now we know.

    I’m afraid I have to say I think that is nonsense, MV. Tony Abbott is paid via his representation of his electorate who voted 75% yes.
    That’s what they do – represent their electorates. That’s where their paycheck is basically coming from. It would very arrogant to vote No under those circumstances. Really very arrogant.

  178. Oh come on

    Passing the #marriage equality bill is a great humanitarian achievement,congratulations to all from Manus. Interesting that Greens, Labor & the public got it thru but the PM is pretending he & his party were main players in passing this historical motion.His happiness is strange.

    LOL sorry this person is far too stupid to allow into our country

    To be fair, the really stupid people are the ALP and Greens voters who are flattered by this ham-fisted overture, and unfortunately we’re already saddled with them.

    On the other hand, he did just hashtag “marriage”.

    What did he think would happen? ‘Ooh look, “marriage” is trending on Twitter!’ What a dummy.

  179. Des Deskperson

    “Interesting that posters are starting to appear around Melbourne about AIDS.”

    Friday, 1 December was World AIDS Day, which may account for some of it.

    There were entire shifts of activists at South Yarra railway station last weekend giving away red ribbons and rattling tins for donations. I also spotted quite a few in the CBD.

  180. Pedro the Ignorant

    In all my years I have never seen a more undignified display than today’s politicians in the House of Reps prancing and dancing around waving rainbow flags or scarves or whatever like a pack of excited schoolgirls.

    What a disgusting spectacle.

    No wonder respect for these overpaid imbeciles is in the toilet.

    And those MP’s that abstained from voting are gutless cowards.

    Words cannot convey my disappointment in the lack of character and conviction displayed today.

    I have cast my last ever vote in any election, local State or Federal. They can all get stuffed and get along without me.

  181. Stimpson J. Cat

    so the renovations only took out Jesus feet, and not a bigger chunk of the work.

    Good.
    I f$cking hate Jesus sandals and anyone who wears them.
    They are a blight upon this Earth.

  182. Stimpson J. Cat

    #ManusSOS

    #Anus4Manus

  183. candy

    Also, MV, Tony Abbott was the only one to make his small speech about nor forgetting the 40% who voted No.

    Everyone else seemed to blubber. (Excusing Linda Burney here because her son OD’d a few weeks ago and she would be an emotional wreck about anything). The self obsessed blubbering sick making.

  184. P

    And I still have the sh*ts.

    In many such times I recall a hymn that usually helps me, often in difficult times it is
    It is well with my soul“.

    Tonight as I feel devastated completely I can find no comfort even going to youtube and playing Mahalia Jackson’s version among others of the hymn.

    My only consolation is that there were approx. 5m who voted NO and some, even perhaps many, of these people feel tonight as I do.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Good.
    I f$cking hate Jesus sandals and anyone who wears them.
    They are a blight upon this Earth.

    Maybe Leonardo thought “Fuck it. I like to be accurate but I am not drawing sandals and walk socks. So a strategically placed access door it is.”

  186. Stimpson J. Cat

    Mysterious condition dubbed ‘scromiting’ hits weed smokers across the US and causes them to vomit AND scream

    Pussies.
    Try 10 buckets in a row and talk to me.

  187. C.L.

    Abstained :
    Tony Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Michael Sukkar, Kevin Andrews and George Christensen.

    Cowards.

  188. Leigh Lowe

    Promoter of Milo tour tells VicPol that they can take the $50,000 bill for doing their job and shove it up their arse.
    Good.

  189. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Apologies if it’s already been said but December 7th. A day of infamy.

    The Americans knew war was coming. They thought the Japanese would strike South – which they did- or against the Philippines – which they did. What they didn’t believe was that the Japanese had the capacity to strike in all directions at once – South, against the Philippines, AND against the Pacific fleet, at Pearl Harbor.

  190. Pedro the Ignorant

    Abstained :
    Tony Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Michael Sukkar, Kevin Andrews and George Christensen.

    Cowards.

    Hear, hear,

    The paypacket and perks are more important than their principles.

  191. candy

    Cowards.

    Nonsense, C.L. Some of them represent an electorate with a high majority of Yes voters.

    I suspect you think Tony Burke should vote No in line with his electorate but.

  192. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hilarious! It’s almost like GetUp! are writing this stuff for them.

    Is that actually real Fisk?
    What the f$ck happened to their accents?

  193. I’m afraid I have to say I think that is nonsense, MV.

    It may come as a surprise Candy, but I agree with you – and OCO – 100%. Under the circumstances a representative should have voted in accordance with the will of his electorate. However, Abbot is a special case. On all manner of subjects Abbott has continuously stressed that it is the principle, not what is popular, that counts. Then, when push comes to shove, the principle goes out the window.

    The “financial crisis”, 18C, reduced taxes, red tape, government expenditure, you name it. And now SSM. The man talks the talk, but he walks a completely different walk. Always.

    He should have voted YES in accordance with the will of his electorate, or NO in accordance with his stated principles. There is no middle ground, only a bolt-hole for unprincipled cowards.

  194. P

    Pickles #2578671, posted on December 7, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Apologies if it’s already been said but December 7th. A day of infamy.

    It’s 76 years ago but so important to be remembered because it influenced the course of WWII and therefore our fate today.

    Unfortunately today we have more important agendas on the menu such as where two males are placing their parts, or where two females are making some erroneous pretence of showing love in some unknown way to me. I can’t see myself ever getting up to speed on either of these two issues.

  195. Makka

    Abstained :
    Tony Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Michael Sukkar, Kevin Andrews and George Christensen.

    Cowards.

    No surprises from the jelly backs. None.

  196. stackja

    Pickles
    #2578671, posted on December 7, 2017 at 9:29 pm
    Apologies if it’s already been said but December 7th. A day of infamy.

    Yes!

  197. Tel

    Promoter of Milo tour tells VicPol that they can take the $50,000 bill for doing their job and shove it up their arse.

    I would have thought a better strategy would be to offer to pay the $50k providing the protest organizers are arrested and face charges:
    * They had no permit to protest.
    * They were violent.
    * The purpose of police is to stop such people.

    Do your job… get paid, that’s the deal everyone else has to live with.

  198. Infidel Tiger

    Malcolm Turnbull
    @TurnbullMalcolm
    ·
    3h
    It’s time for more marriages.
    More commitment.
    More love.
    More respect.
    Marriage equality has passed!

    Pssst, malcolm. Your deputy just dumped his wife so he can keep banging the hired help.

  199. Shy Ted

    When even The Guardian criticizes a leftie, said leftie must be really crap – “It sounds like a cop out to say this but, on the basis of the first three episodes of Tonightly with Tom Ballard, the ABC’s new daily comedy-news show, the problem is the audience.” Then there are several paragraphs of Guardian stuff before the final “But even over three nights, Tonightly is already settling into a rhythm: the writing is top notch, the performances strong and getting stronger, and the filmed inserts are beautifully realised. All they need – both in studio and in viewership – is the right audience.”
    Your taxes at work. ABC comedy channel.

  200. candy

    He should have voted YES in accordance with the will of his electorate, or NO in accordance with his stated principles. There is no middle ground, only a bolt-hole for unprincipled cowards.

    S18c and the other stuff did not go to a postal vote, MV. This SSM vote was a rare thing.

    The abstain is probably the best option for a person of firm and genuine beliefs. To vote No though with an electorate vote 75% Yes, would be against the spirit of a people’s vote, as were told it was from Day 1.

  201. candy

    Pssst, malcolm. Your deputy just dumped his wife so he can keep banging the hired help.

    Fact Check: Most probably the case, a few drinks with a staffer etc etc.

  202. Infidel Tiger

    Oscar winning actor Russell Crowe has defended his awkward AACTAs speech, where he spoke of sodomising Jacquie Mackenzie.

    WTF is going on?

  203. zyconoclast

    I’m wondering how all those Labor members who’s Western Sydney electorates voted “No” at the plebiscite, but voted “Yes” in the House will fare. Linda Burney and Tony Burke, I’m looking at you.

    They’ll fare just fine. It’s not as though their Yes votes on SSM are deal-breakers for their voting base.

    SSM is a stepping stone to the next change in the marriage act —> legislated polygamy —> child brides.
    This is why the Mohammedans were silent or only gave token objection. They are very good at playing the long game.

  204. Infidel Tiger

    When presenting the award for Best Asian Film, Crowe told the audience he wanted to talk about “what binds us together” he said. “An abiding passion for our pursuit and the other is sensitivity.”

    “I was sodomising Jacqueline McKenzie on the set of Romper Stomper and I didn’t actually intend to do that but I was trying to keep my bits away from her bits and she’d been given one of those pieces of elastic that the girls get when you do those scenes, which protects them from all things, and my bits and pieces were in a little canvas sack with a drawstring.

    “And it was actually my desire to keep the bits apart. It wasn’t until the opening night of the film that it was pointed out by none other than Jacquie McKenzie’s beautiful late mother that we were in fact, in her mind, engaged in sodomy. Anyway that was just a story about sensitivity!”

    FME.

  205. calli

    WTF is going on?

    Blair’s Law.

  206. Pickles

    Today’s shenanigans and blubbering pale compared to a Liberal poof asking his poof in the gallery to marry him whilst debating legislation in the House of Representatives. Good grief. Stimpy don’t Bogart that bucket. I won’t down ten but after this I would be good for half a dozen I reckon.

  207. S18c and the other stuff did not go to a postal vote, MV.

    Irrelevant, Candy. On all those matters Abbott campaigned on principle.
    When the time came he went with whatever he believed gained, or preserved, the most votes.

    The abstain is probably the best option for a person of firm and genuine beliefs. To vote No though with an electorate vote 75% Yes, would be against the spirit of a people’s vote, as were told it was from Day 1.

    You are trying to have a dollar each way, Candy. In the light of the plebiscite vote, only two options were available. Represent his electorate and vote YES, or represent his stated beliefs and vote NO. There was no “best option” of abstaining. Only a coward’s rejection of both representation and principle, by abstaining.

  208. calli

    Blair’s Law:

    Coined by Australian journalist, Tim Blair as “the ongoing process by which the world’s multiple idiocies are becoming one giant, useless force.”

  209. I think Magda has got a date! No not that date (but she has one of them to, probably prolapsed like the boys), a girlfriend date. I saw a bull dyke buying a large sack of flour at Coles.

  210. Pedro the Ignorant

    I would have an immense amount of respect for any MP who voted “No” today on his conscience.

    It probably would have meant submitting his resignation from both his party and the Parliament, and losing all his perks and overblown salary, but he would forever stand tall among the weak gutted poltroons who just went with flow.

    Not one. Not a single one.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    Imagine if Wilson had ever had a proper job?

    Today he could have asked his bf to marry him while he arranged the Manchester at Grace Bros or while cleaning out the soft serve machine at Wendy’s.

    Instead he gets to mince about on our dime.

  212. H B Bear

    Sodomy is the new handshake.

  213. P

    I watched the sook on The Drum tonight, and I saw all the cuddles and hugs among the parliamentarians who blatantly disregarded completely the 38% or 5mil or so of this country who did not vote for the expressions of love favoured by them to become the norm in our society.

    I sure ain’t happy.

  214. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    hug it out big boys

  215. Robber Baron

    Lets name the possible pooves in the Wibberwal party.
    Zimmerman
    Entsch
    Fletcher
    Pyne
    Wilson T
    Wood
    Birmingham
    Brandis
    Smith

    I’m sure l have missed a few.

  216. calli

    For Pedro

    If honour were profitable, everybody would be honourable.

  217. Stimpson J. Cat

    Anyway that was just a story about sensitivity!”

    And it was the award for Best Asian Film.
    This is gold.
    Absolute gold.

  218. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It probably would have meant submitting his resignation from both his party and the Parliament, and losing all his perks and overblown salary, but he would forever stand tall among the weak gutted poltroons who just went with flow.

    Not one. Not a single one.

    This is something Ricardo Bosi posted on some time ago. Words like “honor” and “principle” just don’t exist any more.

  219. JC

    What weirdo. Bizarre stuff.

    Oscar winner Russell Crowe has defended the controversial comments he made at last night’s AACTA awards in Sydney, where he shared a bizarre anecdote about “sodomising” a female co-star.

    The actor made the remarks, which were cut from the ceremony’s televised broadcast, on a night where sexual misconduct in the film industry was the elephant in the room.

    When presenting the award for Best Asian Film, Crowe told the audience he wanted to talk about “what binds us together” he said. “An abiding passion for our pursuit and the other is sensitivity.”

    “I was sodomising Jacqueline McKenzie on the set of Romper Stomper and I didn’t actually intend to do that but I was trying to keep my bits away from her bits and she’d been given one of those pieces of elastic that the girls get when you do those scenes, which protects them from all things, and my bits and pieces were in a little canvas sack with a drawstring.

    “And it was actually my desire to keep the bits apart. It wasn’t until the opening night of the film that it was pointed out by none other than Jacquie McKenzie’s beautiful late mother that we were in fact, in her mind, en

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/russell-crowe-defends-awkward-aactas-sodomising-speech/news-story/f0308bc99836caa318fc16c4a50451ae

  220. Snoopy

    I’m shocked! Pali protesters rioting in Bethlehem.

  221. Dave in Marybrook

    On the plus side, unmarried gay couples are now Living In Sin.
    I really look forward to making up separate bedrooms for them when they next visit our house and doing a lot of “forgive them, Father, they are young, randy and impatient” under my breath.

  222. Plibbershit is a horrid boil on the anus of humanity. Her dope dealing husband is in charge of the Ed Dept in NSW.
    Poofters and lezzos will now go whole hog with the new normal. If you think you have had a gut full now you have heard nothing yet. Unsanitary and disease causing behaviour will be joyously celebrated. Mass circle jerking and human centipede parties will take over from backyard barbies. Faeces stains will be the latest fashion accessory and the ripeness of the aromas seeping off these mistakes of nature will make the train or buss commute an eye watering event. Any until today normal human who finds the antics of these shitballs abhorrent, disgusting, unclean and unacceptable will be hunted down mercilessly. In the meantime, heterosexual males are to paranoid to try and pull a root, in spite of heterosexual congress being the only way to naturally conceive. I’m a little disgruntled.

  223. zyconoclast

    “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”

    Yes they do. Evil knows.

  224. Infidel Tiger

    at 10:42 pm
    I’m shocked! Pali protesters rioting in Bethlehem.

    It’s always been a shit show of a town.

    Trying getting a room there at a Christmas.

  225. Tel

    I’m shocked! Pali protesters rioting in Bethlehem.

    Day of rage.

    Or as they call it in the Middle East, “a day”.

  226. In the meantime, heterosexual males are to paranoid to try and pull a root

    I see a great sales future for these new, solid, lifelike, anatomically correct, silicon dolls.

  227. Ugly scenes on Paul Murray with a rainbow coloured tie being presented to him and everyone being in lock step about the great day we just had. Ugh.

    calli
    #2578564, posted on December 7, 2017 at 8:08 pm
    While others, like myself, have risked and endured the horrors of family anger by sticking to our guns.

    Exactly. The most divisive issue in Australian politics for many years has caused deep strains in many families. The joy of the winners drowns out any concern for the No voters and lingering ill-will.

  228. Oh come on

    I’m watching the 7.30 Report. You’d think that 99% of the country voted Yes. Really, you would.

    Rabz doctrine now.

  229. Infidel Tiger

    How can you watch Paul Murray? He’s a poor mans version of Kyle Sandilands.

    There are no real conservatives in the Australian media.

  230. Pickles

    Jackie Mckenzie has a whinge about sexual misadventure in the fillum industry and the next thing Rustys telling the old yarn about giving her one up the Arthur in Romper. AND he manages to weave her dead mother into it. Sir Les Patterson material.

  231. Gab

    How can you watch Paul Murray? He’s a poor mans version of Kyle Sandilands

    Ouch! Biggest insult ever.

    Harsh but true.

  232. zyconoclast

    Apologies if it’s already been said but December 7th. A day of infamy.

    More like Day of Deceit. The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor.

  233. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Plibbershit is a horrid boil on the anus of humanity. Her dope dealing husband is in charge of the Ed Dept in NSW.

    Any of the bush lawyers on the Cat help out?

    If Plibersek becomes Deputy Prime Minister at the next election, isn’t the fact that the old man did time for whatever, going to deny her access to some countries?

  234. Oh come on

    JC
    #2578730, posted on December 7, 2017 at 10:41 pm
    What weirdo. Bizarre stuff.

    Yeah wtf??? Crowe has lost his mind.

  235. Charles

    Why do White people always assume all Ethnics are slow or retarded?

    Because to admit otherwise is to admit that Ethnics are too conniving and untrustworthy to belong i a White society. A regular tragedy of the commons

  236. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well I for one am glad SSM went through today.
    Think of all the gas bottle suicides we saved.
    It’s a miracle.

  237. Dr Faustus

    SSM is a stepping stone to the next change in the marriage act —> legislated polygamy —> child brides. This is why the Mohammedans were silent or only gave token objection. They are very good at playing the long game.

    As of today there is now no consistent argument against polygamy. Other than bigotty racism.

    Child brides are also a fact; but it will take a little longer to break down Australia’s racist objections to this long-established cultural practice. There are significant overlaps of interest in this with progressive opinion – so it is only a matter of time before ‘love is love’ is suitably recalibrated.

  238. Charles

    There are no real conservatives in the Australian media.

    Stop watching the media

    Stop refering to the media

    Stop giving the media your money.

    The media hates you. Why do you want to keep supporting them. Let the bastards starve

  239. zyconoclast

    Pssst, malcolm. Your deputy just dumped his wife so he can keep banging the hired help.

    and just like Tony Burqua, the taxpayers pay for both the banger and the bangee.

  240. Stimpson J. Cat

    Brutish.

    Looks OK.
    Stupid f$cking ethnic name though.
    Urus.
    Sounds like Uranus.

  241. Snoopy

    Where’s Monty? Surely he’s finished the 10 o’clock feed?

  242. max

    I think it would have been extraordinarily difficult to stand up to the tidal wave of emotional claptrap in Canberra today. The teary outpourings from Sarah Henderson, Wong, Entsch, Smith, Wilson were so emotionally manipulative.

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