Wednesday Forum: December 6, 2017

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  1. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    My God the spam filter sure doesn’t like stories about the X-Men director whose career is now over

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  3. johanna

    OWG and areff – thanks for the Steve Earle clips this morning. I am a big fan. For mine, his Train a-Comin’ album is a source of endless enjoyment. He’s not a bad writer either. His book of short stories, Doghouse Roses, is well worth a read.

  4. Stimpson J. Cat

    I would be as shocked to find out he was part of the Pervnado as I would be if Spielberg was.

    Also Lucas.
    Remember Indy and young Marion?
    Remember Padme and young Anakin?
    What’s the ongoing theme here?

  5. calli

    That’s a whole lot of covfefe.

  6. A Lurker

    Apologies for the lengthy post, but I don’t think this has been mentioned yet on the Cat.

    This is an extract from an article in today’s Australian newspaper. This has been cut and pasted from Facebook where the full article was found – author unknown, probably an editorial from the newspaper. Sorry, I’m not a subscriber, so no direct link to the Australian newspaper.

    Marriage legislation puts religious freedom in doubt – The Australian December 8, 2017
    “Yesterday’s 11th denial of freedom saw every amendment, even the mildest, voted down in the House of Representatives. In many ways it was no surprise. In August, a month before ballot papers went out, The Australian called for the Turnbull government to detail how it would protect freedom of religion in the event of a Yes vote. So did John Howard, who said the government was “washing its hands” of the issue. In anticipation of a Yes vote, which was widely expected, the commonwealth should have held discussions with the states about how best to protect freedom of religion while accommodating a profound change to a fundamental social institution. Mr Howard’s concern, that the rush to legislate same-sex marriage before Christmas “kicks the can down the road on religious protections’’ and that “the whole thing will die in the sand” was prescient. It remains to be seen, in the new year, what emerges from the government-appointed panel, headed by former attorney-general Philip Ruddock, to examine whether Australian law adequately protects the human right to religious freedom. The issues at stake are significant.

    In their open letter to the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader this week, calling on them to honour their undertakings during the postal survey, Australia’s most senior church leaders ask “whether a charity that holds a traditional view of marriage will retain its charity -status”. Ian Lambert, the principal of Scots College in Mr Turnbull’s electorate of Wentworth in Sydney’s eastern suburbs, warned that without amendments to the same-sex marriage bill to protect faith-based schools they could be at risk of being defunded, deregistered or faced with the option of “comply or die”.

    Such concerns hit the wall yesterday when Scott Morrison’s amendment to protect the charitable status of faith-based organisations was voted down 59-82 in the House of Representatives. The church leaders’ pleas for guarantees that parents should be free to “ensure the education of their children in accordance with their religious and moral convictions” and the right of religious institutions to ensure their facilities were “used in accordance with their beliefs” also were brushed aside. Even the final amendment of the day, proposed by Liberal MP Sarah Henderson, a same-sex marriage supporter, calling for protection for civil celebrants, was lost. Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne was one of the few cabinet ministers who joined Labor to oppose it. Liberal backbencher Tim Wilson, once seen as a strong advocate for freedoms of religion and conscience, abstained.”

    MP Wilson, who libertarians held such great and high hopes for, walked away from voting for protections for our fundamental freedoms.

  7. Stimpson J. Cat

    My God the spam filter sure doesn’t like stories about the X-Men director whose career is now over

    Do we know if Hugh Jackman is finally going to come out of the closet now it’s safe?

  8. stackja

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2579448, posted on December 8, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    Ask Debbie.

  9. JC

    Trump was right to characterize the the FBI so negatively the other day. It really is a sewer inside a swamp.

    GOP lawmakers have come forward with new allegations of political bias or interference at the FBI – this time involving the 2012 Benghazi attack. John Solomon of The Hill reports tht Rep. Ron Desantis (R-FL) recently interviewed a retired FBI supervisor who told him he was instructed by Deputy Director Andrew McCabe not to call the 2012 Benghazi attack an act of terrorism when distributing the FBI’s findings to the larger intelligence community – despite knowing exactly who conducted the attack.

    The agent found the instruction concerning because his unit had gathered incontrovertible evidence showing a major al Qaeda figure had directed the attack and the information had already been briefed to President Obama, the lawmaker said. –The Hill</blockquote>

    http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/12/07/fbi-deputy-director-mccabe-told-agents-to-lie-about-benghazi-investigation-says-gop-lawmaker/#sthash.wwYWmoKq.dpbs

    I dunno how anyone is able to clean it out.

  10. Baldrick

    MP Wilson, who libertarians held such great and high hopes for, walked away from voting for protections for our fundamental freedoms.

    Tim Wilson, one of the many reasons I gave up my subscription to the IPA.

  11. DrBeauGan

    Sanity is so f$cking boring I tell you.
    Sigh.

    I enjoy it, stimpers, and I’ve got oodles of it.

  12. Stimpson J. Cat

    MP Wilson, who libertarians held such great and high hopes for, walked away from voting for protections for our fundamental freedoms.

    I still stand by my first impression of him,
    which was f$cking fairy.

  13. mh

    MP Wilson, who libertarians held such great and high hopes for, walked away from voting for protections for our fundamental freedoms.

    ‘Conservative’ Andrew Bolt also heavily promoted Tim Wilson.

    * sigh *

  14. Stimpson J. Cat

    I enjoy it, stimpers, and I’ve got oodles of it.

    It is people like you that will make it that much harder to identify our Robot Overlords when they start surreptitiously replacing us as part of the Terminator prophesy.

  15. Mother Lode

    Remember Indy and young Marion?
    Remember Padme and young Anakin?
    What’s the ongoing theme here?

    I wouldn’t put anything past Lucas.

    And any guy from the 70’s (when he made Star Wars) who didn’t think the future was going to be all about women in tiny skimpy futuristic clothes is conspicuously avoiding a topic where he feels vulnerable.

    And the thing in the third movie with Carrie Fisher next to Laurie Oakes was a pretty conspicuous attempt at being conspicuously inconspicuous.

  16. Chris

    It is people like you that will make it that much harder to identify our Robot Overlords when they start surreptitiously replacing us as part of the Terminator prophesy.

    Kill us all, Stimps; God will know his own.

  17. Chris

    And the thing in the third movie with Carrie Fisher next to Laurie Oakes was a pretty conspicuous attempt at being conspicuously inconspicuous.

    Speaking as a Laurie Oaks look-alike, I find that harsh but fair.

  18. Baldrick

    Oh look! Remember the Good Old Days?
    They’re back.

    Not a very diverse mob these Union thugs.

  19. JC

    So right.

    Trump Recognizes That Humiliating Israel Didn’t Bring Peace
    The president withstands the howling dismay of the world’s nations to abandon a failed 70-year-old policy.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-recognizes-that-humiliating-israel-didnt-bring-peace-1512691993

  20. Mater

    “Yesterday’s 11th denial of freedom saw every amendment, even the mildest, voted down in the House of Representatives

    Charitable status, education, Religious institutions and their amenities…all pet hates of the Left.

    The enemy has punched through a weak point in the front line and their cavalry units have been released into the rear echelons. It is going to be a slaughter.

  21. Such concerns hit the wall yesterday when Scott Morrison’s amendment to protect the charitable status of faith-based organisations was voted down 59-82 in the House of Representatives. The church leaders’ pleas for guarantees that parents should be free to “ensure the education of their children in accordance with their religious and moral convictions” and the right of religious institutions to ensure their facilities were “used in accordance with their beliefs” also were brushed aside. Even the final amendment of the day, proposed by Liberal MP Sarah Henderson, a same-sex marriage supporter, calling for protection for civil celebrants, was lost. Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne was one of the few cabinet ministers who joined Labor to oppose it. Liberal backbencher Tim Wilson, once seen as a strong advocate for freedoms of religion and conscience, abstained.”

    The motto of this Parliament is: Sodomy über alles.

  22. Top Ender

    What bollocks!

    Former Today co-host Lisa Wilkinson has spoken out publicly for the first time about her shock defection from Nine to Ten, saying she called out the “gender pay gap” because she “didn’t want to live a lie anymore”.

    In comments made at a business breakfast in Melbourne yesterday, Wilkinson said it was “tough” standing up for herself in contract negotiations with Nine, which broke down after the network would not meet her demands for pay parity with co-host Karl Stefanovic.

    “When you feel that there’s a pattern being repeated that’s when you have to take a stand,” she told the audience.

    “You draw a line in the sand, you work out this far and no further, and I got to that line in the sand and said ‘this far and no further’. And it was a really simple decision in the end.”

    Wilkinson, who has not publicly revealed her salary with Ten, left Nine after six months of contract negotiations broke down in October. She was hired to front The Project on Sunday nights, among other yet-to-be-announced duties.

    The seasoned television presenter and journalist had sought a package of about $2.3 million, including endorsements, while Nine was only willing to offer $1.8 million, The Australian understands.

    “I had to be true to myself and if it did reignite the conversation, I’m thrilled because I just didn’t want to live a lie anymore,” Wilkinson said.

    “I’ve spoken out on the gender pay gap publicly prior to this and I just decided this far and no further … As women we find it hard to work out what our value is, and perhaps my greatest crime is that I worked out what my value was, and I decided to take a stand on that and I feel really pleased that I did.

    “It was tough. As women we have a tendency to be grateful for everything that comes our way, which is fine, but we’ve got to move beyond that.”

    Nine has disputed the characterisation of Wilkinson’s wage clash with the network as a “gender pay gap”, pointing out that Stefanovic performed extra duties in news and current affairs, and remained unencumbered by conflicting engagements.

    Nine was displeased with Wilkinson’s role as editor-at-large of Huffpost Australia, which ended last week when the online publisher’s joint venture with Fairfax media was terminated.

    Wilkinson also paid tribute to the #MeToo movement and warned that the “boys’ club” of powerful men in politics, business and entertainment was coming to an end.

    Link

  23. DrBeauGan

    It is people like you that will make it that much harder to identify our Robot Overlords when they start surreptitiously replacing us as part of the Terminator prophecy.

    The robots will be the touchy-feely ones, stimpster.

    I have corrected your spelling, so you can say aspies confirmed again. I like to see people happy.

  24. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Liberal backbencher Tim Wilson, once seen as a strong advocate for freedoms of religion and conscience, abstained.”

    What an appalling fraud he turned out to be.

  25. C.L.

    Such concerns hit the wall yesterday when Scott Morrison’s amendment to protect the charitable status of faith-based organisations was voted down 59-82 in the House of Representatives. The church leaders’ pleas for guarantees that parents should be free to “ensure the education of their children in accordance with their religious and moral convictions” and the right of religious institutions to ensure their facilities were “used in accordance with their beliefs” also were brushed aside. Even the final amendment of the day, proposed by Liberal MP Sarah Henderson, a same-sex marriage supporter, calling for protection for civil celebrants, was lost. Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne was one of the few cabinet ministers who joined Labor to oppose it. Liberal backbencher Tim Wilson, once seen as a strong advocate for freedoms of religion and conscience, abstained.”

    Gee.
    Nobody saw this coming.

  26. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ron Desantis (R-FL) recently interviewed a retired FBI supervisor who told him he was instructed by Deputy Director Andrew McCabe not to call the 2012 Benghazi attack an act of terrorism when distributing the FBI’s findings to the larger intelligence community

    The Benghazi attack took place two months before re-election of a certain President.
    That whole episode reeks.

  27. struth

    Tim Wilson is a self centred little bitch, f…k the rest of us, eh, Tim.

    Proof of the hang ups pillow biters seem to eventually be unable to separate from professional life.
    Like dumb young girls that think working with gays is great fun, until they get too close.
    Why, because it’s a disorder that we have humoured for far too long.
    And these girls find out it’s not all interior decorating and flamboyance.

    Homosexuality is a disorder, it should not be celebrated, and people should not discriminate against those with it.
    Marriage is not a celebration of homosexuality.
    It never will be.
    Ceremonies for buggery and the like are not marriage celebration.
    Love is not love in every case, and I wonder how many parents that have used that idiotic statement would, on finding an old man merrily pumping away on their own child, say oh, that’s all right then, when the perpetrator says, it’s OK, we’re in love.
    We let you live with each other and do what you will to each other in private, so you could get the most out of life while suffering a disorder.
    This is what we get for it.

    The very next day you want to push attacking the kids as expected with your disorder.

    For some of you there are political reasons, you want to bring down the west and are using homos to help you.

    But for the majority of homosexuals you would rather destroy the lives of our upcoming generations because you are too selfish to admit you have a disorder, and too immature to realise others in this world live with disorders of various types without the need to force everyone to celebrate it.
    Thank god there are mature ones like Milo who understand the words personal responsibility.

  28. C.L.

    brings huge B.B

    It’s always a good idea to bring huge B.B.

  29. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Tim Wilson, one of the many reasons I gave up my subscription to the IPA.

    They still beg me for money.

    Not a chance in hell.

  30. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Such concerns hit the wall yesterday when Scott Morrison’s amendment to protect the charitable status of faith-based organisations was voted down 59-82 in the House of Representatives. The church leaders’ pleas for guarantees that parents should be free to “ensure the education of their children in accordance with their religious and moral convictions” and the right of religious institutions to ensure their facilities were “used in accordance with their beliefs” also were brushed aside. Even the final amendment of the day, proposed by Liberal MP Sarah Henderson, a same-sex marriage supporter, calling for protection for civil celebrants, was lost. Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne was one of the few cabinet ministers who joined Labor to oppose it. Liberal backbencher Tim Wilson, once seen as a strong advocate for freedoms of religion and conscience, abstained.”

    I see this as a good thing.

    There are now no illusions as to what we are up against.

    BTW – Civil celebrants should be forced to do whatever the state tells them to do even if it involves a pumpkin and a stretched rectum.

  31. struth

    If this isn’t cultural Marxism and it’s direct attack on the west, we will see screeching homos attacking Islam with the ferocity they are attacking Christianity.

    Bets anyone?

  32. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

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    6h6 hours ago
    More Laura Jayes Retweeted David Lipson
    Watch this and try not to get excited about upcoming weddings. Impossible.

    I say, get married now and do the paper work after Jan 9.

    This is the general level of ignorance we are dealing with.

    She’s confused a wedding for a marriage.

    Homos have never been denied weddings.

  33. A Lurker

    Tim Wilson, one of the many reasons I gave up my subscription to the IPA.

    …the horrified homeowner after belatedly realising that his house is compromised, frantically pulls away plank after plank hoping to find one or two unaffected timbers, and as each one is removed they are revealed to be hollowed out shells with active termites present in them…

  34. struth

    Marriage really is the celebration of the joining of families by mixing their genes.
    The offspring having the blood of both.
    It binds a community.

    It is ancient and has never involved the same sex.

    I believe we are in the downfall times like Russia and Nazi Germany in the 30’s before us.

    Except now, there is no righteous power to bomb the stupidity and arrogant debauchery back in it’s place.

  35. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ask Debbie.

    She is the most blatant beard I have ever seen.
    Sparkx back me up on this.

  36. old bloke

    struth
    #2579484, posted on December 8, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    I believe we are in the downfall times like Russia and Nazi Germany in the 30’s before us.

    Rampant homosexuality immediately preceded the downfall of both the Greek and Roman civilisations.

  37. struth

    By the way, I’ve known a few older gay men in my time and it seems to me that it goes like this.

    They carry on like the fruitloops they are when they’re young and bootiful, and then their looks start to fade.
    Just like young people see themselves as being drunk is cool, they don’t like seeing old people drunk, that’s just sad.
    It’s the same with homosexuality.
    Homosexuals get hit hard by the reality bat above 50.
    No one cares and they really have no real family to speak of.
    They get bitter.
    Sometimes very much so.
    It’s a sad situation.
    That’s why it’s called a disorder and not a benefit.

    They should have no discrimination but celebrating it only leads to a harder fall later in life.

  38. struth

    Homosexuals get hit hard by the reality bat above 50.
    No one cares and they really have no real family to speak of.
    They get bitter.
    Sometimes very much so.
    It’s a sad situation.
    That’s why it’s called a disorder and not a benefit.

    Look at the likes of Elton John.

    Look at him, and in his eyes.

    He wouldn’t push homosexuality as a life choice onto anyone now.
    And that isn’t due to discrimination.

  39. Baldrick

    Watch the video:

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    I fulfilled my campaign promise – others didn’t!

  40. Stimpson J. Cat

    Trump Recognizes That Humiliating Israel Didn’t Bring Peace

    F$ck Em.
    They got their country as a consolation prize, now it’s time to finally fix the f$cking joint and cozy up to everyone with compromise.
    Everyone is sick of this sh$t.

  41. H B Bear

    What an appalling fraud he turned out to be.

    Beware the Trojan Homo.

  42. Chris

    The World’s Demographic Problem
    December 7, 2017 by Dan Mitchell
    I gave a speech last night at the University of Texas Arlington on the topic of “Is America turning into Greece? How the growth of government and debt risk creating a dismal future for young Americans.”

    Not a very succinct title, I realize, but I wanted to warn students that they are the ones who will suffer if today’s politicians fail to enact genuine entitlement reform. And since I told them I wasn’t expecting reform with Trump in the White House, my message was rather gloomy.

    My only good news is that I told students that nations such as Italy, Japan, and France likely would suffer fiscal crises before the you-know-what hit the fan in America.

    Though it would have been better if my speech was today. I could have cited this Robert Samuelson column from the Washington Post.

    No one can say we weren’t warned. For years, scholars of all shapes and sizes — demographers, economists, political scientists — have cautioned that the populations of most advanced countries are gradually getting older, with dramatic consequences for economics and politics. But we haven’t taken heed by preparing for an unavoidable future. The “we” refers not just to the United States but to virtually all advanced societies. In fact, America’s aging, though substantial, is relatively modest compared with that of many European countries and Japan. …The problem is simple. Low birth rates and increasing life expectancies result in aging populations. Since 1970, average life expectancy at age 60 in OECD countries has risen from 18 years to 23.4 years; by 2050, it’s forecast to increase to 27.9 years — that is, to nearly 90. The costs of Social Security and pensions will explode. …The implication: Unless retirement ages are raised sharply or benefits are cut deeply, more and more of the income of the working-age population will be siphoned off through higher taxes or cuts in other government spending to support retirees.

    Here’s a table from the article that shows the radical erosion in the age-dependency ratio for selected nations. To give you an idea what the numbers mean, a ratio of 33 (Greece today) means that each worker is supporting one-third of a retiree while a ratio of 73 (Greece in 2050) means that each worker is supporting three-fourths of a retiree.

    The Greek numbers are grim, of course, and Italy and Japan are also in very bad shape.

    And it’s worth noting that the ratio in China will rapidly deteriorate.

    An article in New Scientist makes a similar observation about dramatic demographic change.

    Could the population bomb be about to go off in the most unexpected way? Rather than a Malthusian meltdown, could we instead be on the verge of a demographic implosion? To find out how and why, go to Japan, where a recent survey found that people are giving up on sex. Despite a life expectancy of 85 and rising, the number of Japanese is falling thanks to a fertility rate of just 1.4 children per woman… Half the world’s nations have fertility rates below the replacement level of just over two children per woman. Countries across Europe and the Far East are teetering on a demographic cliff, with rates below 1.5. On recent trends, Germany and Italy could see their populations halve within the next 60 years.

    The most sobering information is contained in a new report from my “friends” at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. I’m definitely not a fan of the OECD’s policy work, but it does a good job of collecting apples-to-apples data.

    Let’s start with the OECD’s calculations of how the old-age dependency ratio will change in various nations.

    It’s not good to have a very tall black line in Figure 1.1, so we can confirm the bad news about Italy, Greece, and Japan. But note that Spain, Portugal, and South Korea also face a grim future. Simply stated, tomorrow’s workers will face an enormous burden.

    There are two reasons for these grim numbers.

    First, we’re living longer. That’s good news for us, but it’s bad news for the sustainability of tax-and-transfer entitlement programs (i.e., this partially explains why Social Security in the U.S. has a $44 trillion shortfall).

    This chart shows that increasing longevity is a big reason why both men and women are spending more years in retirement (though there’s a glimmer of good news since the data shows that we’re no longer retiring at ever-younger ages).

    In addition to living longer, we’re also having fewer kids.

    This is a big deal because more babies today mean more future taxpayers.

    But you can see from this table that birthrates have declined in America, as well as in other developed nations (keep in mind that a fertility rate of 2.1 is needed to keep the native-born population from shrinking).

    Even more shocking, check out the demographic data for Japan and South Korea. Birth rates in Japan already had fallen by 1960 and they’re even lower today. But the numbers for South Korea are staggering.

    Wow.

    I guess it’s now easy to understand this story from South Korea.

    Students at two South Korean universities are being offering courses that make it mandatory for them to date their classmates as the country battles to reverse one of the lowest birth rates in the world. Seoul’s Dongguk and Kyung Hee universities say the courses on dating, sex, love and relationships target a generation which is shunning traditional family lives. …She said: ”Korea’s fall in population has made dating and marriage important but young Koreans are too busy these days and clumsy in making new acquaintances.” And as part of the course, students have to date three classmates for a month… Seoul has spent about £50 billion trying to boost the birth rate.

    I don’t know what’s the strangest part of the article, the part about having to date your classmates as part of homework (do you get extra credit if the girl gets pregnant?!?) or the part about the government squandering an astounding 50 billion pounds (about 67 billion dollars) on trying to encourage kids (I guess politicians never learn).

    Or this story from Japan that brings back painful memories of high school.

    Talk about a shrinking population. A survey of Japanese people aged 18 to 34 found that almost 70 percent of unmarried men and 60 percent of unmarried women are not in a relationship. Moreover, many of them have never got close and cuddly. Around 42 percent of the men and 44.2 percent of the women admitted they were virgins. The government won’t be pleased that sexlessness is becoming as Japanese as sumo and sake. The administration of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has talked up boosting the birthrate through support for child care, but until the nation bones up on bedroom gymnastics there’ll be no medals to hand out. …Boosting the birthrate is one of the coveted goals of the Abe administration, which has declared it will raise the fertility rate from the current 1.4 to 1.8 by 2025 or so.

    The bottom line, as Samuelson suggested in his column, is that western nations are facing a baked-in-the-cake demographic-fiscal crisis.

    What’s sad is that we know the crisis will happen, but politicians in most nations have no intention of solving the problems.

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    Lessons from Portugal about Ending the Drug War
    December 6, 2017 by Dan Mitchell
    When I explain to people how the government’s War on Drugs violates the rights of people to do dumb things to their own bodies, they intellectually understand but they’re usually not convinced.

    When I also explain why the Drug War causes additional crime and enriches mobsters, they almost always nod their heads in agreement but resist the obvious implication that we should decriminalize.

    When I then explain that the War on Drugs has led to horrific policies such as civil asset forfeiture and senseless policies such as costly and ineffective money-laundering laws, they agree that the consequences are bad but they’re generally unpersuaded about legalization.

    The stumbling block in every case is that they fear decriminalization will lead to more drug use, more addiction, and more suffering families.

    Unfortunately, we don’t have a lot of real-world examples to put their minds at ease. But “a lot” isn’t the same as “any.”

    This report about Portugal from the U.K.-based Guardian is must reading and may convince the doubters that we can end the War on Drugs without societal chaos and decay. It starts with an observation about the ravages of illegal drugs.

    It was the 80s, and by the time one in 10 people had slipped into the depths of heroin use – bankers, university students, carpenters, socialites, miners – Portugal was in a state of panic. …one in every 100 Portuguese was battling a problematic heroin addiction at that time… Headlines in the local press raised the alarm about overdose deaths and rising crime. The rate of HIV infection in Portugal became the highest in the European Union.

    This led to predictable responses.

    In the early days of Portugal’s panic, …the state’s first instinct was to attack. Drugs were denounced as evil, drug users were demonised, and proximity to either was criminally and spiritually punishable. The Portuguese government launched a series of national anti-drug campaigns that were less “Just Say No” and more “Drugs Are Satan”.

    But something remarkable then happened. Rational voices began to push a libertarian-oriented message.

    The first official call to change Portugal’s drug laws came from Rui Pereira, a former constitutional court judge who undertook an overhaul of the penal code in 1996. He found the practice of jailing people for taking drugs to be counterproductive and unethical. “My thought right off the bat was that it wasn’t legitimate for the state to punish users,”

    And Portugal ultimately went in that direction – and got very positive results.

    In 2001, …Portugal became the first country to decriminalise the possession and consumption of all illicit substances. …The opioid crisis soon stabilised, and the ensuing years saw dramatic drops in problematic drug use, HIV and hepatitis infection rates, overdose deaths, drug-related crime and incarceration rates. HIV infection plummeted from an all-time high in 2000 of 104.2 new cases per million to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. …The official policy of decriminalisation made it far easier for a broad range of services (health, psychiatry, employment, housing etc) that had been struggling to pool their resources and expertise, to work together more effectively to serve their communities.

    Here’s a summary of the Portuguese approach, which certainly seems more humane and logical than what we do in America.

    Portugal’s policy rests on three pillars: one, that there’s no such thing as a soft or hard drug, only healthy and unhealthy relationships with drugs; two, that an individual’s unhealthy relationship with drugs often conceals frayed relationships with loved ones, with the world around them, and with themselves; and three, that the eradication of all drugs is an impossible goal.

    Want some additional evidence?

    Here’s a chart from the invaluable Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute.

    A 2009 study from the Cato Institute also highlighted the benefits of Portugal’s reform.

    Because more than seven years have now elapsed since enactment of Portugal’s decriminalization system, there are ample data enabling its effects to be assessed. Notably, decriminalization has become increasingly popular in Portugal since 2001. …very few domestic political factions are agitating for a repeal of the 2001 law. …none of the nightmare scenarios touted by preenactment decriminalization opponents — from rampant increases in drug usage among the young to the transformation of Lisbon into a haven for “drug tourists” — has occurred. …The political consensus in favor of decriminalization is unsurprising in light of the relevant empirical data. …drug usage rates in Portugal, which, in numerous categories, are now among the lowest in the EU, particularly when compared with states with stringent criminalization regimes. …drug-related pathologies — such as sexually transmitted diseases and deaths due to drug usage — have decreased dramatically. …judged by virtually every metric, the Portuguese decriminalization framework has been a resounding success.

    By the way, allow me to reiterate that my support for decriminalization is not an endorsement of drug use.

    It’s not just that I’m a teetotaler and want others to make the same choice. Stories like this one from CNN genuinely worry me.

    Regina Mitchell, a co-owner of Warren Fabricating & Machining in Hubbard, Ohio, told The New York Times this week that four out of 10 applicants otherwise qualified to be welders, machinists and crane operators will fail a routine drug test. …”We have a 150-ton crane in our machine shop. And we’re moving 300,000 pounds of steel around in that building on a regular basis. So I cannot take the chance to have anyone impaired running that crane, or working 40 feet in the air.” …For 48 of the 50 years her company has been around, drug abuse had never been an issue, she told Smerconish.”It hasn’t been until the last two years that we needed to have a policy, a corporate policy in place, that protects us from employees coming into work impaired,” she said. …there are almost 12,000 open skilled labor jobs in Mahoning County.”There are good-paying jobs and the opportunity for people in our area. We just can’t find people to show up who can pass a drug test,” she said.
    This is not good news for the country. And I’ve personally spoken to several employers in other parts of the country who have made the same point.

    But I’ll simply observe that we have this problem with drugs being illegal already. Given the evidence from Portugal, I’m hopeful that decriminalization might lead to less drug use.

    I also wonder whether redistribution programs enable reckless behavior. In other words, people may decide it’s okay to be stoners because they can rely on handouts to stay alive instead of staying clean and having a job.

    In any event, let’s review a couple of additional stories. Here’s a column from National Review, written by Michelle Malkin, which shows continuing progress on the right.

    My own interest in pediatric use of medicinal marijuana is more than academic. When my daughter, Veronica, fell ill in late spring of 2015 — unable to breathe normally, bedridden with chronic pain and fatigue — she saw of specialists. …The various drugs prescribed to my daughter weren’t working and had awful side effects. …To our surprise, the mainstream neurologist suggested Veronica try CBD. This doctor had other young patients who used CBD oil with positive results… So we did our own independent research…consulted with other medical professionals and friends — and entered a whole new world. Two physicians signed off on our daughter’s application for a medical-marijuana card. She became one of more than 360 children under 18 to join Colorado’s medical-marijuana registry in 2015. …we became pediatric pot parents. For Veronica, CBD provided more relief than all the other mainstream pharmaceutical interventions she had endured, and without the scary side effects.

    To her credit, Michelle has learned that the harm of government intervention exceeds any potential benefit.

    As a lifelong social conservative, my views on marijuana policy may surprise some of you. I used to be a table-pounding crusader for the government’s war on drugs. …But the war on drugs has been a ghastly quagmire — an expensive and selective form of government paternalism that has done far more harm than good. What has this trillion-dollar war wrought? Overcrowded jails teeming with nonviolent drug offenders. An expanded police state enriched by civil asset forfeiture. And marginalization of medical researchers pursuing legitimate research on marijuana’s possible therapeutic benefits for patients with a wide variety of illnesses. …let me be clear as a liberty-loving, conservative mom: Keep your hands off. Let the scientists lead. Limited government is the best medicine.

    Her commentary brings to mind this snarky – but accurate – image from Reddit‘s libertarian page.

    Now let’s add some economic analysis to the discussion.

    Here’s some insight from the Foundation for Economic Education about how the Drug War is increasing the potency and danger of drugs.

    One issue that is often mentioned but rarely explained is the increasing potency of illegal drugs, whether it be cannabis with a high percentage of THC in the US or super potent MDMA (Ecstasy) in Europe. What’s behind this phenomenon? …economic theory might have the answer. …The theory that can explain rising drug potency under prohibition was first described in 1964 by Armen Alchian and William R Allen. It states that when the price of two substitute goods is increased by a fixed per-unit amount (such as transportation or taxation) the consumer will opt for the higher priced, higher quality good because the price of the more expensive product has sunk in proportion to the price of the less expensive product. …In the particular case of illegal drugs, two different kinds of drugs–let’s say two different kinds of cannabis–act as the substitute goods. When buying illegal drugs on the black market, you do not only pay for the drug itself. On top of the monetary price comes the potential social cost you pay. This can range from a small regulatory offence, where you must pay a fine, to a felony where you can face a prison sentence. This comes with other problems: losing your job, family, social status and so on. This is the fixed per-unit cost added on top of the price of the drug itself.

    All of which leads to yet another reason why prohibition is backfiring and another reason why decriminalization is the answer.

    It is not worth the risk to buy a low-quality product regarding the potential price you must pay. …Drug cartels have recognised this behaviour and increased the potency of their drugs (i.e. improved the quality of their product) so you get more value for the potential fixed per-unit cost you pay. …What sounds good in economic theory becomes a massive public health problem in real life. The potency of many drugs has increased too much. As it is in most prohibitionist countries, many consumers don’t know exactly what drug they are taking and in which dosage they are consuming the drug: not to mention added substances that increase quantity. …If drugs were decriminalized, customers would have knowledge about the contents of their MDMA, their cocaine, their cannabis. Drugs that are too potent could easily be avoided. Legalized drugs would include packaging with the specific content. Sales in specialized stores would allow customers to receive medical help if they show signs of problematic consumption, without fear of being imprisoned over it.

    And since we’ve veered into some economic analysis, one of the reasons I favor legalization is that I don’t want law enforcement resources being misallocated.

    Which is why this column resonates with me.

    Police in Ohio are blaming a lack of resources for the fact that unsolved homicide cases greatly outnumber the cases that are solved, yet they seem to have the resources to arrest thousands of suspected cannabis users. …in the state of Ohio…an average of over 20,000 people are arrested on charges of cannabis possession each year. …despite the fact that they seem to have plenty of resources when it comes to arresting and detaining nonviolent offenders, police in Ohio are blaming a lack of resources for the fact that the number of homicide cases they solve continues to decline. …How did police in the United States go from solving over 90 percent of homicides in the 1960s to around 60 percent today, with cities like Columbus solving as little as 30 percent of homicides? It was not a change in resources—it was the introduction of the Drug War. …“Around the country, police make more arrests for drug possession than for any other crime,” an ACLU and Human Rights Watch report found last year. “More than one of every nine arrests by state law enforcement is for drug possession, amounting to more than 1.25 million arrests each year.” In fact, police make more arrests for marijuana possession alone than for all violent crimes combined. …As states like Ohio find that the number of unsolved homicide cases greatly outnumber the cases that are solved, it makes you wonder—what more could they accomplish if they were able to use their resources to track down violent murder suspects, instead of wasting them on nonviolent individuals who are found in possession of a plant?

    Let’s close with some wisdom from Milton Friedman (h/t: Reddit).

    As was so often the case, Friedman was right. If you look at the real-world consequences of the War on Drugs, the net effect of prohibition has been to enrich some very bad people.

    P.S. It’s an open question whether the War on Drugs has been more damaging or less damaging than the War on Poverty. I guess the moral of the story is that there are a lot of “friendly fire” casualties when politicians declare war.

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    Big Government Can Be Deadly, Literally
    December 5, 2017 by Dan Mitchell
    Too much government can be hazardous to your health.

    But I’m not talking about government killing you because you bet on a football game.
    And I’m not talking about government killing you for selling an untaxed cigarette.
    Nor am I talking about government killing you with bureaucrat-run healthcare.
    Instead, this is a column about the wonky issue of cost-benefit analysis. Specifically, we’re going to look at whether some regulations can be sufficiently onerous that the resulting economic damage actually produces needless death. This insight can even apply to regulations that are designed to save lives!

    It’s quite common, when I first suggest this hypothesis, for people to think I’m nuts. But they begin to see the light when I share this example from an article I wrote 25 years ago for the Journal of Regulation and Social Cost.

    People in wealthier nations, on average, live longer and better lives than residents of poorer nations. …government policy makers should consider the adverse effects on health and mortality of economic policies that impose costs on the productive sector of the economy. …it is quite possible that regulations designed to reduced mortality and morbidity, if they impose sufficiently high costs on the economy, actually can result in premature deaths and a less healthy population. Banning the use of motor vehicles, for instance, would save…lives lost annually in traffic accidents as well as preventing whatever number of premature deaths can be attributed to auto emissions. …It would be absurd, however, to…support the elimination of motor vehicles… The higher living standards made possible by fast and efficient transportation clearly must result in reduced mortality…rates over time for the general population.

    I don’t know if they accept that society would be so much poorer that – on net – more people would die. But they definitely grasp that there’s a tradeoff.

    International Liberty blog

    What do nested quotes do?

  43. What an appalling fraud he turned out to be.

    For all his appalling faults, the one thing that can’t be said about Wilson is that he is a fraud.
    He spoke out, and wrote, in support of both SSM and Safe Schools long before he ended up an MP.
    The Liberal Party and its supporters knew exactly what they were getting.

  44. Chris

    Sorry everyone – I picked up way too much in my paste.
    Can I hire a proofreader around here?

  45. DrBeauGan

    Timeo poofteros et dona ferentes.

  46. Roger

    The church leaders’ pleas for guarantees that parents should be free to “ensure the education of their children in accordance with their religious and moral convictions” and the right of religious institutions to ensure their facilities were “used in accordance with their beliefs” also were brushed aside. Even the final amendment of the day, proposed by Liberal MP Sarah Henderson, a same-sex marriage supporter, calling for protection for civil celebrants, was lost.

    You know what to say the next time a Libertarian says he supported ss”m” because he wanted the gov’t out of people’s lives.

  47. The Moribund Barking Toad

    Motherlode @3:59

    And the thing in the third movie with Carrie Fisher next to Laurie Oakes was a pretty conspicuous attempt at being conspicuously inconspicuous.

    I did giggle a ferkin lot at that

  48. stackja

    Rush to judgment makes MSM happy.

  49. You know what to say the next time a Libertarian says he supported ss”m” because he wanted the gov’t out of people’s lives.

    I’ll keep that in mind in case I ever meet an actual Libertarian who supports SSM as a libertarian principle. However, I’m not holding my breath.

  50. Stimpson J. Cat

    Chris that is an srr tier text slab.
    Bravo.

  51. Pedro the Ignorant

    Chris that is an srr tier text slab.

    ust add some random bolding, exclamation marks!!!!! and a a dozen or so little emoticons and everyone will think srr has been unsmote.

  52. Tim Neilson

    memoryvault
    #2579519, posted on December 8, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    Some on this site said that it would be better, from a libertarian principle, for government to get out of the marriage game altogether – but lots of them still said they voted for it.

    So, not being able to get their ideal, they voted for the exact opposite of it.

    Just like “libertarian” Wilson MP has just done even more overtly.

    It’s pretty clear that for people like that “libertarianism” was just an excuse for SS”M”, Safe [for fedopiles] Schools etc., and the moment they think they’ve got enough leverage they’ve gone full jackboot.

  53. Chris

    Chris that is an srr tier text slab.
    Bravo.

    Psychotropic self-medication is my my only excuse. That and ‘It wont affect anyone except two people who love each other.’

  54. Joe

    The church leaders’ pleas for guarantees that parents should be free to “ensure the education of their children in accordance with their religious and moral convictions” and the right of religious institutions to ensure their facilities were “used in accordance with their beliefs” also were brushed aside. Even the final amendment of the day, proposed by Liberal MP Sarah Henderson, a same-sex marriage supporter, calling for protection for civil celebrants, was lost.

    Section 116. Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion

    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

    So, Christians should hand back the “state” institution of marriage and institute their own version according to their religion and invite non-christians who do not wish to observe SSM to join their religion and tell the govt to get stuffed.

  55. DrBeauGan

    Some on this site said that it would be better, from a libertarian principle, for government to get out of the marriage game altogether – but lots of them still said they voted for it.

    I haven’t seen anyone here saying they voted for it. Even dot who defended ssm earlier said he’d abstained. Who were these idiots?

    Rabz abstained for sending reasons. Dot abstained for reasons I don recall. Everyone else that confessed their position voted a big fat NO to the best of my knowledge.

  56. C.L.

    “Bride” and “bridegroom” have just been officially banned by law in Australia:

    “It is now part of Australian law,” an elated Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said after he and Attorney-General George Brandis visited the governor-general.

    The new attorney-general’s department “notice of intended marriage” form replaces the old one on Saturday, with the first same-sex weddings expected to follow a month later on January 9.

    The form has a new heading Party 1 and Party 2 replacing Bridegroom and Bride, with a “Description of party” section offering three options: “groom”, “bride” and “partner”.

    As well, there are three boxes for gender: “male”, “female” and “x” – which is described as “indeterminate, intersex or unspecified”.

    Brought to you by the Liberal Party.

  57. DrBeauGan

    Sensible not sending.

  58. Fisky

    Anu Mundkur‏ @AnuMundkur
    11m11 minutes ago

    Can we now have a YES campaign to end off-shore detention on #Manus and #Nauru and vote to bring those who seek refuge and asylum to Australia? @ACFID

    Yes please, let’s have that campaign now!

  59. Brought to you by the Liberal Party.

    Yeah. But at least they’re not Labor.

    sarc/

  60. Delta A

    From C.L,’s link at 5.31 pm.

    “It is a big Australian hug for all same-sex couples, saying we love and respect you, now go out there and get married,” he told the Seven Network.

    There’s so much wrong with that exhortation!

    And this from our Prime Minister.

  61. Myrddin Seren

    Skynet laughs:

    LOS ANGELES—Users of popular navigation apps like Waze are warning the services directed them to neighborhoods where wildfires forced closures and evacuations.

  62. John Constantine

    We must have a different sorta gayness out in the sticks, the gay men I know are solid staunch community blokes in general.

    The city must draw in the scary sort.

    Having said that, in yarragrad today, sexually active querty blokes are urgently advised to get vaccinated against meningacoccal (where’s spellcheck when you need it?.)

    Sadly running rampant in melbournibad now, in certain demographics. Can be fatal and crippling.

    The anti aids cocktails don’t prevent other nasties.

  63. Delta A

    Dear God, I promise that when you wreak fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah v.2017, I shall walk with my beloveds, whom I have raised to follow you, and not look back on the destruction with which our society – our parliament, our media, our antifa social-alliance and our twittersphere – has corrupted Your wonderful world.

    One suggestion, if I may: instead of turning the unrighteous into pillars of salt, (although that would freak out the health nazis,) perhaps steaming pools of excrement might be more appropriate this time.

  64. Baldrick

    The form has a new heading Party 1 and Party 2 replacing Bridegroom and Bride, with a “Description of party” section offering three options: “groom”, “bride” and “partner”.
    As well, there are three boxes for gender: “male”, “female” and “x” – which is described as “indeterminate, intersex or unspecified”.

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  65. DrBeauGan

    I’m not a social conservative. For instance, I don’t mind drag queens reading books to kindergarten kids; there are twisted sickos in the world and trying to keep small children from finding out doesn’t strike me as particularly sensible. The sooner they find out the better.

    Nor do I want to make the lives of twisted sickos any harder than they have to be. Pointing out to them that they in fact are twisted sickos is, in my view, doing them a kindness. Conversely, joining in the pretence that they are perfectly normal is going to lead to even greater pain for them when reality catches up, as it inevitably does.

    Perverts of all types have something wrong with the way their brains handle sexual activity. It really is unambiguously wrong, because it doesn’t lead to happy families with a mother and father and the children of their bodies, which is the whole point of sex.

    While I wish to treat twisted sickos with as much kindness as possible, pretending that laws of biology can be circumvented by parliamentary laws is just joining in the fashionable hysteria. One mustn’t expect too much from politicians, but they and senior pubic serpents simply aren’t earning their salaries these days.

  66. Fisky

    Wow, there is an entire campaign organisation run by ex-country shoppers.

    http://riserefugee.org/exdetaineesdemands/

    Our Demands

    1. WE DEMAND, the immediate end to detention of asylum seekers and refugees, not for 1 day, not for 30 days, not for 1 year, or any other length of time.

    2. WE DEMAND, that all currently detained asylum seekers and refugees be immediately released into the community, and be given justice, freedom and proper humanitarian support without delay.

    3. WE DEMAND, that no one should be forcibly deported or coerced to self-deport to a country in which they will face persecution, torture or death. If someone has been deported or forced to self-deport to danger, they should immediately be connected to an independent organisation, processed, and taken to a safe country. Those who have been harmed should be compensated along with their families. Compensation should also be given to families of those who have lost their lives after being deported or forced to self-deport to danger.

    4. WE DEMAND, that for refugees seeking protection, countries should create safe passage by:
    ● Providing humanitarian coordination that ensures safety, protection and freedom of movement
    ● Providing proper rescue operations, for refugees and asylum seekers crossing borders by land and sea
    ● Ceasing to dump refugees and asylum seekers in locations where we are not given long-term protection.

    5. WE DEMAND, that regardless of how asylum seekers arrive, they must be settled into the community. They must be granted freedom of movement and access to a just and humane asylum claim process. This should also include the provision of:
    ● Housing
    ● Free medical and psychological care with comprehensive independent health checks and rehabilitation facilities
    ● Interpreters, communication facilities and appropriate community support networks
    ● Education and Training opportunities
    ● Work rights
    ● Legal aid to assist with asylum claims and applications for protection visas
    ● The guarantee that those accepted as refugees are given permanent protection visas
    ● Upholding the basic right to family and family reunion onshore and offshore.

    What a wonderful bunch of people they are. I’m really glad Labor opened the borders to these people, to the applause of the “libertarian” movement. Well done guys!

  67. John Constantine

    Free meningococcal vaccinations for gay men in Victoria is their sbs headline.

    Not a plague, but a new thing.

  68. Delta A

    senior pubic serpents

    Gold!

  69. Fisky

    So the official country shoppers campaign group is calling for Australia to have international sanctions placed on it. What a disgusting bunch of ingrates. Anyone who wants to let these kinds of people in, under whatever conditions, belongs in a psychiatric ward.

    #SANCTIONAUSTRALIA

    TAKE ACTION AGAINST AUSTRALIAN REFUGEE RIGHTS VIOLATIONS!

    Australia’s continuing refugee rights violations must be called to account, and people who support human rights everywhere should stand up and join the call to Sanction Australia.

    RISE Ex-Detainees calls for Immediate pressure to be placed on Australia from major international human rights bodies In way of sanctions that address the deliberate and inhumane mandatory detention and refugee boat push back policies. Specifically, Australia should be excluded in participating in international humanitarian and human rights fora until mandatory detention and refoulement of asylum seekers is abolished in Australia, and the obligatory international rights and protections that Australia has agreed to, in regards to refugees, are implemented, and adhered to domestically.

  70. Chris

    Australia’s continuing refugee rights violations must be called to account, a

    All we are saying
    Is give Police a chance!

  71. Sydney Boy

    RISE Ex-Detainees calls for Immediate pressure to be placed on Australia from major international human rights bodies In way of sanctions that address the deliberate and inhumane mandatory detention and refugee boat push back policies.

    Funny. I would have thought the refugees would want international sanctions brought against those countries that were apparently so dangerous (or maybe just plain shit) that the refugees had to leave in the first place?

  72. Specifically, Australia should be excluded in participating in international humanitarian and human rights fora until mandatory detention and refoulement of asylum seekers is abolished in Australia

    Sounds good to me.

  73. thefrollickingmole

    meningo-colaca disease in the gay community??

  74. Helen

    smallpox and other poxes on this site

    Invisible Invaders
    Published

    18 October 2016
    ISBN

    9780522865110
    Ebook File Size

    10.9MB
    Subjects
    Anthropology
    Imprint
    Melbourne University Press
    Invisible Invaders
    Judy Campbell
    In Invisible Invaders, Judy Campbell argues that epidemics of smallpox among Australian Aboriginals preceded European settlement.

    An epidemic of smallpox among Aboriginal people around the infant colony of Sydney in 1789 puzzled the British, for there had been no cases on the ships of the First Fleet. Where, then, did the epidemic come from?

    As explorers moved further inland, they witnessed other epidemics of smallpox, notably in the late 1820s and early 1830s and again in the 1860s and 1870s. They also encountered many pockmarked survivors of early epidemics.

    In Invisible Invaders, Judy Campbell argues that epidemics of smallpox among Australian Aboriginals preceded European settlement. She believes they originated in regular visits to the northern coast of Australia by Macassan fishermen from southern Sulawesi and nearby islands. They were searching for trepang, for which there was a profitable market in China.

    The Macassan fishermen usually visited during the monsoon season, and the local Indigenous people traded with them. Once the monsoon was over, these Aboriginals resumed their travels into the interior for food, social contact and ritual events, carrying small pox with them. Smallpox thus slowly moved across the continent, eventually reaching the south-east, where it was first recorded by Europeans.

    Judith Campbell’s research on the incidence of smallpox and other diseases among Aboriginal people has extended over more than twenty years. Accumulating evidence from other disciplines supports her findings.

  75. Helen

    You see, Judy Campbell is a proper scientist, hypothesis does data support/not support.

    Not like those Glowball Warmening crackpots.

  76. Knuckle Dragger

    Dear RISE ex-detainees:

    Your list of demands has been noted. However, you have failed to set out any consequences for our potential failure to accede to them.

    In other words, OR WHAT?

    You’ll demand again?

    You’ll ‘self-deport’ away from this awful country? That would be nice.

    In fact, you should be forcibly SSM’d while still offshore to get a taste of the new Australian life, good and hard. Seeing as how you’re almost all males of military age, just flip a coin to see who gets to be the adolescent shepherd and then you’re good to go.

    You’ve already gone several bridges too far with the assistance of assorted nincompoops in this country. Don’t push your luck, you gutless country-shopping mobile phone-having Internet-accessing well-fed cowardly sponging cretins.

    Sincerely,

    Sensible people everywhere.

    P.S. Wipe your arse with your hand in this country, in the highly unlikely event you ever get here and we’ll insert several kilograms of RapidSet into the offending orifice and clamp it shut for 24 hours. You’ll only do it once, I promise. You have been warned.

  77. Helen

    On other matters, to add to the litany of employees of the year at this place, my cook left without notice while we were off at an unplanned unwished for and unavoidable funeral. 16 days she pretended to work, the lazy bit of baggage. As soon as my back was turned it was rice and pasta, food fit to work for ten minutes on. The spiders spun on their merry way, the dust layered on angled surfaces, the floors perished for the kiss of a mop, the garden languished for want of cow pooh and straw, her bed was so inviting she spent much of every day in it, thinking about the possibilities of considering doing some work. Captain had to rouse her out to even feed the poor hungry calves. Oh if only I had told her what to do. She must have lost the three closely typed A4 pages of suggestions. She has gone to a mining camp to cook for 30 men. Hahaha. Wish them well. On rice.

    There is little pride in work or keeping busy these days.

  78. Atoms for Peace

    Jeez, anyone would think that the alphabet people had just invented marriage.

  79. Rae

    Accumulating evidence from other disciplines supports her findings.

    A small number of others have voiced support for Campbells hypothesis, but neither she nor they have produced evidence to justify their support.

  80. calli

    Seven News just informed me that Trump’s Jerusalem decision “reverses decades of US policy”.

    Oh dear.

  81. Bruce of Newcastle

    Australia’s continuing refugee rights violations must be called to account, and people who support human rights everywhere should stand up and join the call to Sanction Australia.

    But but but we’re a member of the UN Human Rights Council alongside Afghanistan, Pakistan and Qatar!

    Surely that must count for something?

  82. calli

    Perhaps “reverses” means “resolves” or “realises” in Newspeak.

  83. Zatara

    JC
    #2579453, posted on December 8, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    Trump was right to characterize the the FBI so negatively the other day. It really is a sewer inside a swamp.

    I dunno how anyone is able to clean it out.

    Quite simple really. Let the FBI grow their own leadership.

    Quit weaponizing senior posts at FBI by filling them with morally compromised political appointees. ALL of the turds who have been poisoning that punchbowl of later are Obama appointed ideologues.

    The FBI has their own Academy where their agents are trained. The standards to get in are rigorous as are the standards to graduate. Many are lawyers before they start but almost all have time on the street as cops somewhere. If you haven’t been through that academy and been inculcated with the true culture of the agency you shouldn’t be eligible to lead the night janitor squad in the headquarters, much less a ‘senior leadership’ position.

    Would you hire a master plumber to run Bomber Command? A chef to command a Marine Division? A yank to make your beer? A ballerina to be Chief of Army or an obese female to be Minister of Defense? OK, forget that one but you get the idea.

    Then don’t hire political hacks to run the organization that is supposed to seek out and destroy criminal political hacks.

  84. DrBeauGan

    Jeez, anyone would think that the alphabet people had just invented marriage.

    Well, they’ve invented something with a few points in common with marriage. It’s called ssmariage. You pronounce it the same way but with a sort of snaky hiss in front.

    Ssssssssssmariage if you want to be really clear.

  85. Rae

    You see, Judy Campbell is a proper scientist

    Judy Campbell is a historian and history teacher.

  86. DrBeauGan

    Chrissy Pyne and fat George are going to be sssssssmarried.

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    Another 12, 000 km frittered away. And what’s the proximity of Perth to the Pilbara?

    In his judgment, Justice Michael Barker acknowledged the ongoing connection since sovereignty that the claimants had maintained.
    “Whilst it is acknowledged that none of the Gingirana claimants presently live permanently on the determination area, their decision to live in close proximity to it means they continue to give effect to their traditional laws and customs,” he said.

  88. DrBeauGan

    Yes, it’s got the right touch of lizard people about it.

  89. Chris

    Jeez, anyone would think that the alphabet people had just invented marriage.

    To be fair – they did.

  90. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2579565, posted on December 8, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    Nobody here needs to justify anything to you, you Kitteh stalker.
    Now fuck off.

  91. thefrollickingmole

    Let use a little Occams razor.

    Smallpox had a fatality rate of about 30% in populations which had been exposed to it obviously much higher in “fresh populations”.

    The type of vaccination in use by the first fleeters was harvested smallpox scabs, ground up and blown up the nose. This treatment had the chance of killing about 2% of the people treated, so fairly obviously they wouldnt want to use it unless they were facing an outbreak themselves.

    The last landfall for the first fleet was in South Africa in October, arrived in Oz late January. Smallpox has a short infectious period (a week or 2).

    A 3 month outbreak of smallpox on confined vessels would have been worthy of a diary note or 2 by the passengers.

    Meanwhile..

    In the Dutch ruled Indonesia smallpox was rampant, including a major outbreak in Savu in 1869 as well as many other places.

    The sailing time was short compared to the first fleet.

    So whats more likely, a short lifespan virus going undetected on board a prison ship for 2-3 months and then only affecting the natives on arrival. Also remembering that the convicts and may settlers would not have been vaccinated due to the possibility of death from the vaccine itself.
    Or a short trip from an area which had outbreaks of smallpox stretching back to the 1500’s?

    Its not that complicated.
    One is an amazing thing, the other seems quite likely.

  92. Baldrick

    I can’t help but feel underwhelmed:

    Tim Wilson MP ✔ @timwilsoncomau
    It just hit me! The speech where I proposed to Ryan and the Marriage Equality gold pin I wore have entered the nation’s official history for the Museum of Democracy Canberra exhibition on delivering Marriage Equality next year. Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

  93. Leigh Lowe

    Watching FBI Director (for know) Wray being grilled by the House Intel Committee.
    He was asked why Hilary fan boy Peter Strzok amended the words in the FBI report into Hilary’s server to change the characterisation of her level of culpability from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless”.
    Wray tried to brush this off by declaring that the terms meant the same thing.
    (Of course, they do not, and in strict legal terms “grossly negligent” is way more serious).
    Someone who is a lawyer and self-appointed ‘smartest guy in the room’ (I am thinking Trumble) would have gone down the legalistic line of questioning.
    Enter a real ‘smartest guy in the room’ Trey Gowdy …
    “So, Mr Wray, if the terms are truly synonymous, why bother amending them at all?”
    Boom!
    Game, set and match Representative Gowdy.

  94. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    My golden rule for Liberal and National party politicians is that if they are pleasing the press gallery — especially Fairfax and ABC journalists — they will invariably be doing the wrong thing by their party and constituency.

    — Chris Kenny

  95. thefrollickingmole

    Lying liars lying lyingly…

    Fancy this, if you increase taxes on something to subsidize its competition it becomes unprofitable.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/08/death-spiral-half-of-europes-coal-plants-are-losing-money

    <em>More than half of the European Union’s 619 coal-fired power stations are losing money, according to a new report. As a result, the industry’s slow plans for shutdowns will lead to €22bn in losses by 2030 if the EU fulfils its pledge to tackle climate change, the report warns.

    Stricter air pollution rules and higher carbon prices are set to push even more plants into unprofitability, according to the analysts Carbon Tracker, with 97% of the plants losing money by 2030. Furthermore, rapidly falling renewables costs are on track to make building new wind and solar farms cheaper than continuing to run existing coal plants by the mid 2020s.
    ….
    Until recently European utilities were strong performers, beating Europe’s Stoxx 600 index by 60% between 2000 and 2010. But since then, the utilities have plunged 20% in value as the rise of renewable energy and government policies radically reshaped the market.


    “The changing economics of renewables, as well as air pollution policy and rising carbon prices, has put EU coal power in a death spiral,” said Matt Gray, co-author of the Carbon Tracker report. “Utilities can’t do much to stop this other than drop coal or lobby governments and hope they will bail them out.”

    Gray said coal-fired electricity capacity could be replaced by cheaper renewables, with building new onshore wind and solar PV projects projected to be less expensive than operating existing coal plants by 2024 and 2027 respectively. “That is a striking finding, something that would be have been unimaginable five years ago,” he said. “The energy consumer deserves the lower cost options.

    How these dishonest pricks havent been strangled by their own colons, jealous of the shit that comes out of their mouths Ill never know.

  96. Leigh Lowe

    I can’t help but feel underwhelmed:
    Tim Wilson MP @timwilsoncomau
    It just hit me! The speech where I proposed to Ryan and the Marriage Equality gold pin I wore have entered the nation’s official history for the Museum of Democracy Canberra exhibition on delivering Marriage Equality next year. Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

    It belongs in a democracy museum right next to Monica Lewinsky’s semen stained dress.

  97. Baldrick: Colour me likewise underwhelmed.
    The marriage proposal was an historic moment, as in parliament was debased via being used as a novelty platform for a marriage proposal.
    But on a scale of “moments-in-history” it is about heavy as fairy-floss.

  98. Leigh Lowe

    Seven News just informed me that Trump’s Jerusalem decision “reverses decades of US policy”.

    Trump’s decision on Jerusalem brings to realisation decades of vote harvesting campaign promises which his predecessors lacked the balls to implement when in office.
    Fixed.

  99. testpattern

    #[email protected]_comedy_channel

    Some of my disgruntled pieces of ex furniture have made false and demeaning claims that have created irreparable damage to my reputation. I am not that person. I’ve never seen a video of a chair and a donkey let alone sniffed one. Why would I sniff a donkey. Ridiculous. The situation is intolerable and I must seek vindication of my good name through the courts.

    It is an action I am taking in order to redress the slurs, innuendo and hyperbole that they have created around my standing in the chair industry and in the greater furniture community.

    https://www.furniturecourt.com.au/

  100. Caveman

    X Country shoppers make an additional demand.

    “: The following people are to be released from their captors: In Northern Ireland, the seven members of the New Provo Front. In Canada, the five imprisoned leaders of Liberte de Quebec. In Sri Lanka, the nine members of the Asian Dawn movement”

  101. Stimpson J. Cat

    Tim Wilson MP ✔ @timwilsoncomau
    It just hit me! The speech where I proposed to Ryan and the Marriage Equality gold pin I wore have entered the nation’s official history for the Museum of Democracy Canberra exhibition on delivering Marriage Equality next year. Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

    The absolute nerve of this shameless coloring book c$nt. He should be blackbanned from buying fluffy handcuffs for f$cking life.

  102. stackja

    Caveman
    #2579596, posted on December 8, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    Hans and his vault notes!

  103. Helen

    Judy still a better scientist as a historian than the frightbat glowball warmenists who masquerade as scientists.

    She made a hypothesis and then tested it. Novel idea, hmm?

    The fact is whitey did not bring disease such as smallpox to the natives. It was already here. The book was written 15 years ago from evidence gathered more than 20 years ago and has not been disproved, in fact, evidence continues to strengthen support for her hypothesis.

    I wonder why you seem disappointed with this? Maybe you just want to believe whitey = bad so you can get off on flogging your guilt ridden self some more. You know what? Flog it til you suck yourself inside out. Then flog it some more. Go right ahead and die. I just don’t care.

  104. Myrddin Seren

    Gray said coal-fired electricity capacity could be replaced by cheaper renewables, with building new onshore wind and solar PV projects projected to be less expensive than operating existing coal plants by 2024 and 2027 respectively. “That is a striking finding, something that would be have been unimaginable five years ago,” he said. “The energy consumer deserves the lower cost options.”

    How these dishonest pricks havent been strangled by their own colons, jealous of the shit that comes out of their mouths Ill never know.

    Let’s see how f**king cheap windmills and solar plants are in northern Europe with no despatchable back-up as the temperatures plunge in to winter and they slide down the slope of the 60-year warming/cooling cycle.

    Gormless Euro Politician: ‘Oh look – our energy policies killed a lot of people from hypothermia and disease !’

    Greens – ‘Yup – that’s a feature, not a bug by the way’.

  105. I wonder why you seem disappointed with this? Maybe you just want to believe whitey = bad so you can get off on flogging your guilt ridden self some more. You know what? Flog it til you suck yourself inside out. Then flog it some more. Go right ahead and die. I just don’t care.

    You go girl!!! +100

  106. Stimpson J. Cat

    #[email protected]_comedy_channel

    Testy, the reason there are so few Bipolar Bro’s to mock is because most of us top ourselves before we get a chance to do really crazy things.
    Troy didn’t get the memo.

  107. Delta A

    Helen
    #2579601, posted on December 8, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    Well said, Helen!

  108. Rae

    Judy still a better scientist as a historian

    It is well known that historians (not to be confused with scientists) invariably hypothesize and write about their own opinions/versions of history. And when they teach, their books and articles are required reading for those students unfortunate enough to attend their courses. I have no doubt that is the case with Judy Campbell.

  109. Greens – ‘Yup – that’s a feature, not a bug by the way’.

    The scary part is that’s how they really think.

  110. Myrddin Seren

    Flog it til you suck yourself inside out.

    One of Septimus’s Alters will be rolling that possibility around in their part of the collective ID for a while…..

  111. Makka

    Deutschland ubbe alles;

    The man who could be Germany’s vice-chancellor within weeks on Thursday called for the European Union to transform itself into a “United States of Europe”.

    Martin Schulz, the leader of the German Social Democratic Party (SPD), called for a new federal constitution for the EU by 2025.

    Hours before his party voted to open talks on forming a new coalition with the beleaguered Angela Merkel, Mr Schulz made clear he would demand radical EU reform and far deeper integration than previously envisaged as his price for ending weeks of political crisis in Germany.

  112. Rae

    you just want to believe whitey = bad

    White of you to say so, but I’m white so it doesn’t really work.

    You seem upset that I queried the findings of your “scientist” friend. Why so? She isn’t actually a scientist. Just a historian. That’s only one rung above librarians, school teachers and journalists.

  113. rickw

    The enemy has punched through a weak point in the front line and their cavalry units have been released into the rear echelons. It is going to be a slaughter.

    Yep.

    The backlash will be huge, we may yet manage to write a civil war into our docile history.

  114. Pedro the Ignorant

    Wilson and his appalling “marriage proposal” from the floor of the Reps will go down in history as the moment the dignity of the Parliament of Australia was debased beyond repair.

    More suited to that “Big Brother” bogan TV show.

  115. zyconoclast

    Tim Nicholls never had a chance.
    People don’t like their politicians morbidly obese these days.
    Shows they lack self control.

    Not what I would call slim.
    #1
    #2

    Didn’t hurt Anna.

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    Everything you want to know about smallpox!

    Smallpox and its eradication (1988)

    The first link is to the whole book as PDF: 50 MB worth, 1460 pages.

    I’ve just been reading bits of Ch 5 “The history of smallpox and its spread around the world” which is a more reasonable 2 meg at this link.

    The interesting comment is that while they can’t say where the 1789 outbreak came from they do know of a north coast outbreak in 1861 which spread via central Australia to the SE over a period of 5 years.

    See p240 for the Australia & NZ bit.

  117. Oh come on

    Trump has broken Bill Kristol:

    Bill Kristol‏Verified account
    @BillKristol
    Follow Follow @BillKristol

    https://be http://b.com/haven ’t unuhbut hthanks brings huge B.B.hbu n

    LOL! Kristol’s turning into a full-bore squish. Apparently he’s been tweeting stuff about how Trump’s made him discover his inner socialist, his inner feminist etc.

  118. Nick

    What will Tim Wilson talk about when SSM becomes boring, which it will do very soon.

  119. calli

    What will Tim Wilson talk about when SSM becomes boring, which it will do very soon.

    Babies.

  120. Makka

    What will Tim Wilson talk about when SSM becomes boring, which it will do very soon.

    Modernising the School Curriculum.

  121. testpattern

    ‘The fact is whitey did not bring disease such as smallpox to the natives’

    He did but so did others. Many vectors both European and Asian at different times and places. The Jaurinanda [sometimes written as Juarinanda] who lived on the Sir Graham Moore islands were almost totally wiped out by a disease thought to have been brought by a visiting ship of unknown origin. The remaining few transferred to the Drysdale mission.

    Radar and Loran station, Pago and Graham Moore

    http://www.radarreturns.net.au/archive/Pago%20and%20Graham%20Moore.pdf

  122. Delta A

    What will Tim Wilson talk about when SSM becomes boring, which it will do very soon.

    Babies.

    Impoverished women’s babies, which they will want to buy and state on the birth certificates that they are the fathers, no mother involved.

    Is there a term for the gender opposite of immaculate conception?

  123. Oh come on

    Bill Kristol! The guy who thinks he carries the torch passed to him directly from William F. Buckley! Can anyone imagine William F. Buckley ever discovering his inner socialist or his inner feminist? Trump is driving the NeverTrumpers insane.

  124. zyconoclast

    Roman Polanski must return to the US to face six charges of sexual assault, including raping a 13 y o girl?

    Polanski plead guilty s3xual intercourse with a minor.

  125. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, slight correction. The first link in my comment is to a table of contents on a Louisiana State University webpage. The first link on that webpage is to the 50 meg PDF of the whole tome.
    So no need to be afraid of blowing your phone budget by hitting my first link.

  126. Roger

    Polanski plead guilty s3xual intercourse with a minor.

    Hasn’t returned to face the music.

  127. Oh come on

    I see testes is trying to crack funnies again. Soooo tedious.

  128. Roger

    Tim Nicholls never had a chance. People don’t like their politicians morbidly obese these days.
    Shows they lack self control.

    POTUS DJT?

  129. Roger

    What will Tim Wilson talk about when SSM becomes boring, which it will do very soon.

    Modernising the School Curriculum.

    Big supporter of the subversive Marxist Safe Schools program is our Tim.

    Yet another reason why the Liberals must be destroyed.

  130. Is there a term for the gender opposite of immaculate conception?

    Inaccurate Conception

  131. Oh come on

    Remember the phony da Vinci that sold at auction for half a billion dollars last month? Turns out the sucker buyer was probably the Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman! Seriously? Is that really a smart play when you’re orchestrating an anti-corruption crackdown?

  132. Is there a term for the gender opposite of immaculate conception?

    Erectile misconception?

  133. Roger

    Is there a term for the gender opposite of immaculate conception?

    Fraud.

  134. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lots of interesting polling data in this new Pew poll:

    Stark Partisan Divisions Over Russia Probe, Including Its Importance to the Nation

    The response stats are interesting, about 3:2 Dems to Republican voters, which makes me think there’s some reluctance from the righties to respond, even to Pew.

    This chart is the most fun.

    In short Trump in 2017 is just as popular with Republicans as Obama in 2009 and Bill Clinton in 1993 were with Democrats. Where all the bad Trump poll numbers are coming from are from Democrats: they hate his guts and they hate the guts of his guts. It’s perfect!

  135. H B Bear

    Is there a term for the gender opposite of immaculate conception?

    People trafficking.

  136. zyconoclast

    Eating disorders: Not everyone is young, thin, white or a woman

    To the outside world, it seemed like Nicole McDermid, who had struggled with weight issues her whole life, was finally taking control and getting healthy.

    She’d always had a bigger body, but now she was within what would usually be considered a healthy weight range.

    At family gatherings, people congratulated her on her weight loss. Her friends praised her for finally taking her weight seriously. Doctors, who she had always struggled to get to see past her weight, were telling her how well she was doing.

    What those on the outside couldn’t see was the then-27-year-old social worker was in the grips of a serious eating disorder wreaking havoc with her mental health and possibly even putting her life at risk.
    “The rational, social worker side of me could see things were spiralling out of control but then there was a part of me that was really in denial, that was going, ‘No, no, no, this is OK, this is for my health, this is good’,” Nicole remembers.

    “No-one really got the extent to which it was torturous in my head. All they really saw was that I was losing weight and this was a really good thing for my health.

    Nicole was eventually diagnosed with atypical anorexia, a condition where she met all of the criteria for anorexia nervosa except for being underweight.

    Atypical anorexia expert Professor Susan Sawyer from the University of Melbourne says patients don’t have to be dangerously underweight to have life-threatening symptoms.

    Her research has found atypical anorexia patients are just as likely as patients with textbook anorexia to have the arrhythmias and cardiac irregularity that can cause sudden death.

    But beyond the physical risks of the eating disorder, Nicole said the most torturous part was the exhausting, incessant internal monologue telling her nothing she did was good enough.

    “For somebody with an eating disorder, it’s psychological torture,” she says.

    “There’s this constant voice that is berating you every second of every day about every decision that you make, regardless of whether it’s about food or exercise. It can be about what clothes you wear, it can be about a conversation you had with somebody three weeks ago that it decides it wants to chime in on.”

    Fears of being seen as too big to have an eating disorder
    Eventually, a tough conversation with a concerned colleague helped Nicole begin her path to recovery, but seeking help for an eating disorder while living in a bigger body presented its own challenge.

    “It can be a really confronting thing, going to the doctor and saying, ‘I think that I’m struggling with an eating disorder’ and having this massive fear of someone going to laugh in your face like, ‘how can you be? Look at the body that you’re in’.

    Nicole’s concerns aren’t unfounded: psychologist Sarah McMahon says there are many stories of people being sent away by doctors saying they’re not sick enough to have an eating disorder because they weren’t underweight.

    “[It] is obviously devastating for them and really difficult because often there’s been many years of suffering before that person has picked up the courage to actually seek help in the first place and it may mean that it’s many more years again before they approach any sort of treatment options,” Ms McMahon says.

    An early conversation between Nicole and her family GP, who she had gone to since she was a baby, actually fuelled her desire to lose even more weight.

    She approached him in distress, saying she knew something was wrong, and was met with congratulations for “getting healthy”.

    “And then being met with a comment from him around, ‘Well, you still have a certain amount of weight to lose before I’m really worried’,” Nicole says.

    “For somebody with an eating disorder that’s kind of like, ‘OK, game on’. It’s so unhelpful.”

    Professor Sawyer says families and doctors need to look more closely at warning signs other than simply being underweight.

    “The GP’s got it in their head, just like everyone else, that anorexia nervosa equals underweight. So the first thing they’re going to do is to measure the BMI and be reassured that they’re in a healthy range,” she says.

  137. zyconoclast

    MP Wilson, who libertarians held such great and high hopes for, walked away from voting for protections for our fundamental freedoms.

    Buggery is buggery.

  138. cynical1

    Bravo.

    Well done to the “Lurve is lurve” crowd.

    Thank fuck these idiots were mostly too young to vote in 99.

    President Gough would have been the result.

    Who in their right mind signs a contract and then reads the fine print?

    141 out 150 pollies voted for SSM.

    No wonder the fuckers think the ABC is balanced.

  139. RobK

    ” Is there a term for the gender opposite of immaculate conception?”
    Immaculate contraption.

  140. Boambee John

    Dr BG at 1801

    pretending that laws of biology can be circumvented by parliamentary laws i

    But, but, but, … That nice Mr Turdball has already told us that laws of the Australian Parliament over rule the laws of mathematics, why not those of biology also?

  141. zyconoclast

    MP Wilson, who libertarians held such great and high hopes for, walked away from voting for protections for our fundamental freedoms.

    ‘Conservative’ Andrew Bolt also heavily promoted Tim Wilson.

    Tony Abbott’s human rights man Tim Wilson racks up $77,000 in expenses

    Tony Abbott’s hand-picked human rights adviser ran up more than $77,000 in taxpayer-funded expenses in his first year on the job, spending almost $15,000 on taxis.

    The government appointed Tim Wilson to the role of Human Rights Commissioner shortly after the 2013 election, drafting him from the Institute of Public Affairs, a right-wing think tank.

    In the 12 months after he took up the position in February 2014, the former Liberal Party member charged taxpayers $77,763 for expenses. These were in addition to his $332,000 salary package and $40,000 accommodation allowance.

    He spent $14,562 on cab fares, including almost $3000 for family reunion travel for his partner, according to a departmental response to a Labor question on notice.

    Mr Wilson also claimed for an iPhone, an iPad, a laptop and a $1400 standing desk.

    The so-called “Freedom Commissioner” has roamed far and wide in his job. He has spent about $11,000 on business class airfares abroad – although about $2000 of this was reimbursed by groups that hosted him – and $26,000 on domestic fares, including $10,800 for his partner.

    The taxpayer also picked up a $17,800 bill for meals and other expenses while travelling.

    “You’d rather I sit in my office all day?” was Mr Wilson’s response when contacted.

    The Australian Human Rights Commission declined to supply details of other commissioners’ expenses to see if they were comparable to Mr Wilson’s.

    “The travel expenses of commissioners are proportionate to the work required to fulfil their statutory obligations,” the commission said.

    “Last year the Human Rights Commissioner completed two major national consultations which required travel to remote, rural and regional Australia as well as capital cities.”

    Mr Wilson’s former employer, the IPA, has long advocated the commission be abolished.

    Attorney-General George Brandis made no secret of the fact he selected Mr Wilson to shake up the status quo. At the time, Senator Brandis said the commission had been too narrowly focused on anti-discrimination and had not done enough to promote principles such as freedom of speech and freedom of association.

    Shortly after Mr Wilson’s appointment the government cut the commission’s full-time Disability Discrimination Commissioner role and dropped Graeme Innes from the job.

    The government has also had a fraught relationship with the commission’s president, Gillian Triggs.

    Mr Abbott and Senator Brandis declared they had lost faith in Professor Triggs because of perceived political bias over a report into children in immigration detention.

    More recently, the government savaged Ms Triggs for comments linking asylum seeker boat turnbacks to Indonesia’s failure to engage with Australia on issues like the death penalty. The government has repeatedly called on her to resign but she has refused.

  142. johanna

    By the way, I’ve known a few older gay men in my time and it seems to me that it goes like this.

    They carry on like the fruitloops they are when they’re young and bootiful, and then their looks start to fade.
    Just like young people see themselves as being drunk is cool, they don’t like seeing old people drunk, that’s just sad.
    It’s the same with homosexuality.
    Homosexuals get hit hard by the reality bat above 50.
    No one cares and they really have no real family to speak of.
    They get bitter.
    Sometimes very much so.
    It’s a sad situation.
    That’s why it’s called a disorder and not a benefit.

    Not always, Struth.

    I have mentioned before the pair of women in my family who were together for over 50 years, until one of them died. They were accepted and loved in the wider family group. As it happened, the one who died was the blood relative, but her lifelong companion was regarded as any bereaved relative would be.

    While it is true that male homosexual culture worships youth, with all the detrimental aspects you mention (mind you, heterosexual culture is not exactly free of this) – I and no doubt other Cats have known long-standing and genuine partnerships between men. High profile examples include Patrick White and Manolous whatsisname, and Justice Michael Kirby and Johannes whatsisname.

    I don’t think that trashing entire classes of people is either accurate or constructive.

  143. Oh come on

    2 out of 5 Australians voted No. In spite of this, the national broadcaster is in full triumphalist mode. It is not interested in presenting the matter in a balanced way that would be appropriate considering that nearly 40% of Australians voted No. The ABC doesn’t care about those 5 million people. Hell, its TV channels captured only 14% of the market across the 5 major metropolitan areas in the country, so what does it care if its reporting disgusts 40% of the market?

  144. Joe

    I don’t think that trashing entire classes of people is either accurate or constructive.

    Tell that to the leftist that sheet ALL blame on White Men.

  145. hzhousewife

    The taxpayer also picked up a $17,800 bill for meals and other expenses while travelling.

    It looks like it too. If he keeps feeding at the trough for another couple of years we will be paying for his bypasses, and then his funeral. So sad for a young man.

  146. Makka

    I don’t think that trashing entire classes of people is either accurate or constructive.

    Well standing around copping shit from the poofter class isn’t going to fly either. 2 old lezzos dont make a jot of difference when you have the vast majority of the deviants basically wishing straights who vote no should be burned at the stake or crucified. Fk em all.

  147. cynical1

    I don’t think that trashing entire classes of people is either accurate or constructive.

    Unless it’s Australian politicians.

    When too is never enough.

  148. cynical1

    I don’t think that trashing entire classes of people is either accurate or constructive.

    Unless it’s Australian politicians.

    When too much is never enough.

  149. Peter Castieau

    The highlight of my day was the tweet from Latho about Benjamin (hate f-er) Law joining their ABC radio.

    I need to be careful about what I say in the public domain, but if a kind Cat would like to put it up here don’t let me stop you!

  150. cynical1

    It could be worth it to see Tony Burke’s name in lights.

    And his head on a minaret.

    Only his head.

  151. johanna

    You know what to say the next time a Libertarian says he supported ss”m” because he wanted the gov’t out of people’s lives.

    They want to legitimise old blokes marrying nine year olds, and then claiming them as tax deductions.

    The important and over-riding principle is that the State should not be involved in marriage ceremonies.

  152. Tom

    141 out 150 pollies voted for SSM.

    If you needed proof that Australian politicians don’t represent the people and would be more at home as politburo zombies in Beijing, there it is right there.

  153. candy

    What will Tim Wilson talk about when SSM becomes boring, which it will do very soon.

    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    On the cards. They are at the age they want to be fathers.

  154. pete m

    Latho tweet:

    The art of hate-fucking at ABC Radio National.
    Please understand that following his hate-fucking MPs announcement, Ben Law got promoted at ABC Hate Factory with two new gigs.
    More hate-fucking, more ABC jobs under Guthrie’s guidance.

  155. Oh come on

    141 out 150 pollies voted for SSM.

    Actually, I think it was 141 out of 148, due to the by-election in Bennelong and Wayne Swan being absent (although his office stated he would have voted for the bill). One thing is certain – given the overwhelming number of MPs in favour of SSM, even if a majority voted No in the plebiscite, we would be getting SSM anyway.

  156. Peter Castieau

    Thanks pete m

    Whack!

  157. Oh come on

    Oh, and the conservative faction of the coalition is puny. Far smaller than even the smallest estimates.

  158. Bruce of Newcastle

    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    Seems rather fruitless trying that with each other.
    Maybe they should’ve married women instead.

  159. candy

    It just hit me! The speech where I proposed to Ryan and the Marriage Equality gold pin I wore have entered the nation’s official history for the Museum of Democracy Canberra exhibition on delivering Marriage Equality next year. Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

    Is it possible Tim Wilson is a little embarrassed that he outed himself as a politician who entered politics only to pursue SSM to marry his man? He was the absolute driving force behind it, with his smooth urbane persona.
    Because that’s what he did. As well, he was engaged to his lover for a few years before this, so it was all a stunt.

  160. Crossie

    Malcolm thinks that the gay marriage is going to be his way back into positive opinion poll territory while the actual polls are telling LNP that they are sinking in every state. The state LNP leaderships are rubbish but mostly unknown while Malcolm is out there on the news still celebrating.

    The LNP are just nongs who forgot who votes for them.

  161. Oh come on

    It just hit me! The speech where I proposed to Ryan and the Marriage Equality gold pin I wore have entered the nation’s official history for the Museum of Democracy Canberra exhibition on delivering Marriage Equality next year. Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

    Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me!

  162. DrBeauGan

    Actually, I think it was 141 out of 148, due to the by-election in Bennelong and Wayne Swan being absent (although his office stated he would have voted for the bill). One thing is certain – given the overwhelming number of MPs in favour of SSM, even if a majority voted No in the plebiscite, we would be getting SSM anyway.

    I wonder why over 90% of the useless buggers went that way. My guess is bandwagon effect. They knew it would pass and wanted to be on the winning side. But this doesn’t quite explain why most voted against even the feeblest amendment.

  163. Peter Castieau

    My hope is that disaffected Liberals, people who understand that Pauline is unable to articulate a credible path, and Christians along with social conservative Laborites who are against the change to the marriage act will be inclined to possibly vote differently next time.

    I’m keeping a keen eye on proceedings.

  164. Crossie

    Is it possible Tim Wilson is a little embarrassed that he outed himself as a politician who entered politics only to pursue SSM to marry his man? He was the absolute driving force behind it, with his smooth urbane persona.
    Because that’s what he did. As well, he was engaged to his lover for a few years before this, so it was all a stunt.

    And I repeat, LNP forgot who votes for them.

    I can see where a lot of Tim Wilson’s vote will migrate to Cory Bernardi’s Australian Democrats.

  165. Fisky

    Just a UK Labour councillor calling white people “scum”

    Pinned Tweet
    Abu Abdul Wahid
    Abu Abdul Wahid
    @AbuWahidLab
    ·
    Dec 5
    White people are scum. #Panorama

  166. candy

    But this doesn’t quite explain why most voted against even the feeblest amendment.

    My guess is that if you had an “average” of the Yes voter, they would be under 35 and white, definitely not ethnic, with very little religious feeling/upbringing etc.

  167. johanna

    Helen
    #2579563, posted on December 8, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    On other matters, to add to the litany of employees of the year at this place, my cook left without notice while we were off at an unplanned unwished for and unavoidable funeral. 16 days she pretended to work, the lazy bit of baggage. As soon as my back was turned it was rice and pasta, food fit to work for ten minutes on. The spiders spun on their merry way, the dust layered on angled surfaces, the floors perished for the kiss of a mop, the garden languished for want of cow pooh and straw, her bed was so inviting she spent much of every day in it, thinking about the possibilities of considering doing some work. Captain had to rouse her out to even feed the poor hungry calves. Oh if only I had told her what to do. She must have lost the three closely typed A4 pages of suggestions. She has gone to a mining camp to cook for 30 men. Hahaha. Wish them well. On rice.

    There is little pride in work or keeping busy these days.

    Heh, Helen, it reminds me of my almost finished bedtime reading, The Straight and Narrow Path.

    At one stage in this very funny book, writer of romantic novels like ‘He Gave His All’ Amanda Browne refuses to believe her friend’s explanation of the departure of a couple of the local girls.

    ‘I can’t see why anyone would want one Irish maid, let alone two,’ she declares. 🙂

    Mice drowned in the milk in the pantry – ‘The sluts!’ cried Amanda. She said that she would have sacked them, except that the replacements would be no different.

  168. Oh come on

    Turnbull and even much of the leftist media is painting this as a great victory for Turnbull. It isn’t. It’s a great victory for the left. They have got everything they wanted out of the SSM legislation. They now have a mighty club to belt conservative institutions such as the church into submission. This has always been what they’ve wanted, and now they have it.

  169. Oh come on

    they would be under 35

    Not so sure about this. My experience with older people is that they’re rather susceptible to the ‘love is love’ rationale.

  170. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    On other matters, to add to the litany of employees of the year at this place, my cook left without notice while we were off at an unplanned unwished for and unavoidable funeral.

    Lady who ran our local pub described hotel chefs as alcoholic, homosexual, or maniac depressive -“the one we just got rid of was all three.”

  171. wivenhoe

    There is little pride in work or keeping busy these days.

    I have no idea where you are, Helen, but at 68 years old, I am more than willing to work for you , with pride in my work. Mind you, I may need training in your field of work.

  172. Fisky

    Incredible article about the porn star who was hounded to suicide for refusing to do sex shoots with bi-sexual male actors (because of the STD risk, etc).

    The Left is now openly coming out as a pro-rape movement. It will soon be a mainstream Leftist position to jail people (or beat them to death) who refuse sex with homosexuals.

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/07/porn-star-commits-suicide-mob-hounds-refusing-partner-gay-sex/

  173. candy

    My experience with older people is that they’re rather susceptible to the ‘love is love’ rationale.

    Perhaps under 45. But a younger demographic and white.

  174. Delta A

    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    That is the most offensive line uttered throughout this homosexual ‘marriage’ sham. Evil, too, considering that their success of having a baby depends on an impoverished third world woman prostituting her womb, then abandoning the child of her body.

    Foul! An abomination in the sight of God and all decent people.

  175. Leigh Lowe

    Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

    As will be you and the rest of Team Trumble soon enough.

  176. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “There was considerable hypocrisy about sex: while the laws against adultery were vigorously enforced against the lower orders, many peers openly kept mistresses – and the 10th Earl Pembroke displayed a naked statue of his lover, Giovanna Barcelii, in his marital bedroom at Wilton Park.”

    “Entitled – A Critical History of the British Aristocracy, ” Chris Bryant, P276.

  177. C.L.

    Geoffrey Rush to sue the Daily Telegraph.
    Hope he bankrupts them.

  178. DrBeauGan

    Delta A
    #2579706, posted on December 8, 2017 at 9:38 pm
    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    That is the most offensive line uttered throughout this homosexual ‘marriage’ sham. Evil, too, considering that their success of having a baby depends on an impoverished third world woman prostituting her womb, then abandoning the child of her body.

    Foul! An abomination in the sight of God and all decent people.

    +10^10

  179. Whalehunt Fun

    Hope the Dailu Tele bankripts the fatuous leftard. Theu have far more experience of lawsuits than does Mr Alledged. Love to see leftfilth in the gutter homeless and destitute.

  180. Roger

    Foul! An abomination in the sight of God and all decent people.

    True, Delta; but it seems decent people are in a minority in this country.

  181. struth

    Not always, Struth.

    I think you would have assumed I was generalising.

    However I put it to you that I would be correct in over 90% of cases.

    You describe a rarity.
    Older homos, like older straight people stay together for many reasons, however my point was that on reaching a certain maturity, most gays toward the end of their life, once sexuality is no longer a major part of their life, or relevant at all, would not promote it to the young as a great path to take if it is purely choice.

    Take for example, Elton John, he still states the necessary platitudes, but his hearts not in it.

    The point is, they would have rather not have been gay and get to a stage where they admit it to themselves, and that is THE point I am making.
    It’s empty and truly childless at the end, and just like childless heteros, despair their pointless existence in the end, whether forced on them or not.
    It’s sad and I generalise.
    But that’s life.
    No good building up homosexuality and celebrating it, in exactly the same reasons we shouldn’t celebrate a couple who choose to be childless.
    It’s their right, but supporting their decision and celebrating it, reinforces the message that will ultimately lead to a bigger fall later in life.
    Be Gay.
    Be childless.
    But we should not celebrate life choices, or indeed disorders as if they were fantastic, as the let down later in life is tougher.

  182. C.L.

    Yeah, we condemn Harvey Weinstein but we lionise Asian prostitute abuser Elton John.

  183. Whalehunt Fun

    maniac depressive

    Or manic depressive? I think therr might be a slight difference and if so I wish both conditions on Turnbull as thanks for destroying a nation.

  184. sdfc

    Stand up Bitcoin. #2 on the bubble list apparently. Excellent effort.

  185. Whalehunt Fun

    despair their pointless existence 

    Their? All libes are pointless. The sun will sterilise the earth and even melt it to a gas eventually. ALL life is pointless. Just enjoy the suffering of those you hate while you can. Cause what pain and suffering you can but that which just happens to your enemies is the most pleasant by far. Nothinh compares to it.

  186. zyconoclast

    Last episode of Lateline tonight.

  187. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    We could hit all those soyboy genes
    CRISPR breakthrough treats diseases like diabetes without cutting DNA
    The CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing tool shows incredible promise in treating a wide range of diseases, from HIV to cancer. But the technology isn’t without controversy, as the long term effects of cutting DNA in living organisms isn’t fully known. Now, scientists from the Salk Institute have modified CRISPR to work without making any cuts, switching targeted genes on and off instead, and demonstrated its effectiveness by treating diabetes, muscular dystrophy and other diseases in mice.

  188. johanna

    OWG, areff, and other true lovers of music irrespective of its genre, here we go.

    ‘I don’t even know what I’m fightin’ for, aint never owned a slave,’

    Sadly, Earle is a signed up member of the SJW movement, despite it being the opposite of his culture. But he is an astonishingly talented artist, a personal wreck, seems to go with the territory.

  189. struth

    You don’t have to be a historian to know Helen’s historian is correct.

    The trepang fishing industry was huge for hundreds of years prior to British settlement.

    Everyone knows Mathew Flinders reported on it after encountering huge numbers of Vessels and talking to Trepang captains.

    His reports caused the settlements of Pt Vic etc on the top end to be attempted before they established what was to become the capitals of the South, due to the fear that there were more Trepang fisherman on the coast of Australia than there were in Sydney.
    The last trepang fishing vessel came to Australia in 1907.

    If you go to places in East Arnhem land , many of the aboriginals have an Asian look about them.
    Yolgnu term for white man is “ballander” which is what the Indonesians called whites.
    Hollanders is what it is derived from.

    The Trepang fisherman brought a lot of technology to the northern Aboriginals but they were definitely (and the northern aboriginals do not deny this) the ones that introduced tobacco, (which is really still the default currency up there) Alcohol, STD’s and other diseases.

    During the explorations of Flinders, PP King, there was at one time an estimated 1000 strong Trepang fishing camp at black point in Arnhem land.
    Their shady Asian Tamarind trees grow in these places and remnants are still quite visible from their smoking ovens etc
    These fisherman were on Australian shores each wet season from the Kimberly to the Cape York Peninsular for hundreds of years.
    It is said, but can’t be confirmed, that an aboriginal or two went back to (what is now) Indonesia with them for a trip.

    To suggest that with this going on for hundreds of years, and the Dutch East India company nearby (if you need to blame whites for disease) that the aboriginal population did not contract any disease until a small number of whites turned up in Sydney cove is indeed ludicrous.

    We haven’t settled this country for the length of time the Trepang fisherman were coming here.

    .

  190. zyconoclast

    Is it possible Tim Wilson is a little embarrassed that he outed himself as a politician who entered politics only to pursue SSM to marry his man? He was the absolute driving force behind it, with his smooth urbane persona.
    Because that’s what he did. As well, he was engaged to his lover for a few years before this, so it was all a stunt.

    http://results.aec.gov.au/20499/Website/HouseDivisionPage-20499-214.htm

    He must be popular, he won 56.% pf the primary vote.
    The Family First candidate got 1.7%

  191. Stimpson J. Cat

    “You’d rather I sit in my office all day?” was Mr Wilson’s response when contacted.

    No Timmy, we love you flouncing around the country on the taxpayers dime with GAY ABANDON.

  192. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    Don;t bother, I can tell you it will be a little shit.

  193. Noodles Romanoff

    It just hit me! The speech where I proposed to Ryan and the Marriage Equality gold pin I wore have entered the nation’s official history for the Museum of Democracy Canberra exhibition on delivering Marriage Equality next year. Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

    It would seem that Tim Wilson’s driving force is to write his name in history given this statement and the school book self promotion. Probably not surprising given the obvious roadblock to passing on his genetics. He is no different to a dog pissing on a wheel.

  194. zyconoclast

    Is it a smear if it is true?

    Tim Wilson: Former human rights commissioner dubbed ‘danger to families’ in preselection smear

    Former human rights commissioner Tim Wilson has been branded a “danger” to families in a smear pamphlet released as he seeks Liberal preselection in the Victorian seat of Goldstein.
    A four-page pamphlet emphasising Mr Wilson’s support for gay marriage, same-sex adoption and the Safe Schools anti-bullying program was sent to all preselectors in the Melbourne seat on Thursday.

    “Tim is a danger to our families, schools and the local community,” it reads.

    “Tim’s homosexuality is not the problem. It is his unrelenting campaign for gay rights issues and waste of taxpayers’ money.”

  195. Boambee John

    Cohenite at 2210

    If they believe that, I have a bridge to sell them!

  196. Boambee John

    Noodles Romanoff

    It would seem that Tim Wilson’s driving force is to write his name in history

    So, the same as Turncoat then?

  197. johanna

    struth, Milo says that he wishes he wasn’t gay because he can’t have a child with the person he loves.

    I don’t think that we are very far apart on this.

    Just stop calling all homosexuals of either gender bad people and perverts.

  198. struth

    Just stop calling all homosexuals of either gender bad people and perverts

    When did I do that?

  199. Noodles Romanoff

    So, the same as Turncoat then?

    Bingo.

  200. Re the upthread discussion about fatties being unpopular with the voters, & Anastasia Palaszczuk being a bit hefty herself…..
    Take a look folks… she’s not that large, her tits are smaller than Shorten’s.

  201. Crossie

    Delta A
    #2579706, posted on December 8, 2017 at 9:38 pm
    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    That is the most offensive line uttered throughout this homosexual ‘marriage’ sham. Evil, too, considering that their success of having a baby depends on an impoverished third world woman prostituting her womb, then abandoning the child of her body.

    Foul! An abomination in the sight of God and all decent people.

    Somehow I don’t think it means they are taking the temperature and trying to plot the fertile period.

  202. H B Bear

    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    Trying to buy one?

  203. Crossie

    struth, Milo says that he wishes he wasn’t gay because he can’t have a child with the person he loves.

    Milo must be the only public gay person who acknowledges reality.

  204. Stimpson J. Cat

    “For somebody with an eating disorder that’s kind of like, ‘OK, game on’. It’s so unhelpful.”

    For f$cks sake.
    Harden up you fat whiny b$tch.
    I know people with REAL eating disorders.
    Stop eating all the pies and stop looking in the mirror every five minutes.

  205. struth

    By the way, having studied a great deal about trepang fishing in the North and the history of the area specifically in Arnhem land regards sites over many years for my job, I would put at least a start date to Trepang fishing to well before DEI company exploration in the early 17th century, to at least half way through the 16th century. as a virtual definite, while many claim they started way before that.

    It is a very interesting area because the Aboriginal activists are pushing to angle the history up there as it was a massive industry for hundreds of years, and that there was great respect shown to the aboriginals and the Trepang fisherman paid the Yolgnu to fish there.
    In doing so, they are too dumb to see how this effects other areas of history that they are trying to change regards disease introduction as discussed here tonight.

    As usual history is not so clear cut.
    The Moccassans traded for food and work those things mentioned above, as they were also after pearl shell etc.
    There was harmony and there was brutal violence between different groups at different times, and some of it well documented.

    Women were traded and women were raped.
    These guys were mostly Muslim and many words in the Yolgnu language are Moccassan and their ceremonies have an Islamic bent.

    So oddly enough, it was Muslims who first brought disease, alcohol, tobacco to Aboriginal Australia.

  206. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Delta A
    #2579706, posted on December 8, 2017 at 9:38 pm
    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    I’m waiting for a gay couple, fighting over custody and child support, in the Family Law Court.

  207. Stimpson J. Cat

    Milo must be the only public gay person who acknowledges reality.

    It’s a rather depressing thought to have rattling around in your head all day alongside all the Kylie.

  208. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So oddly enough, it was Muslims who first brought disease, alcohol, tobacco to Aboriginal Australia.

    Not evil, debbill debbill whitefella, after all?

  209. hzhousewife

    struth, Milo says that he wishes he wasn’t gay because he can’t have a child with the person he loves.

    Milo must be the only public gay person who acknowledges reality.

    I think it was Tinta who mentioned that Milo described himself as a straight guy who happens to be gay, and that he doesn’t hang out in the gay scene very much. I have known a few gay men like this over the years, they tend to be men who have created a life in business or the arts such that they are too busy to pine for babies. They have usually had successful stable relationships also, being mature grown-up people with no need to grandstand.

  210. sdfc

    The Family Law Court is basically run by idiots.

  211. Dr Sir Major General

    Is there a term for the gender opposite of immaculate conception?

    No.
    Perhaps, however, you mean not “immaculate conception” (which refers to Mary’s being conceived in the womb of St. Anne without sin, by virtue of the foreseen merits of her Son) but the Incarnation of Jesus by mans of a “virgin birth” or parthenogenesis. There is no masculine equivalent of “virgin birth”; like “same-sex marriage”, or “square circle”, it is an ontological impossibility.

  212. struth

    Macassan, Makassan, but not Moccassan.

    I am getting old, or I need a Mocca latte full caff with a chocolate springle with skim milk.

  213. struth

    I am getting old, or I need a Mocca latte full caff with a chocolate springle with skim milk.

    I’ve decided on a scotch…………..

  214. sdfc

    I know a woman who took her lawyered up husband to the FC to get an order to take her son to on an os trip and instead she ended up losing custody altogether. All because she couldn’t afford representation. Happening now in the FC. The place is a disgrace.

  215. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Family Law Court is basically run by idiots.

    “It is obvious that you have substantial assets. During the time of your marriage, your wife has become accustomed to a certain standard of living. We are here to make a fair division of those assets, so that she may continue to enjoy that standard of living.”

    The speaker was a registrar of the Family Law Court, in Western Australia. How I never smashed the sniveling little girly man into the next post code, I shall never know.

  216. Stimpson J. Cat

    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    It’s actually “buying a baby. “

  217. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ve decided on a scotch…………..

    So have I. Your very good health, Squire.

  218. struth

    So have I. Your very good health, Squire.

    And yours

    Cheers

  219. Gab

    Don’t understand why marriage forms will be changed to exclude the words “husband” and “wife”.

    Why are gays so afraid to call their “spouses” these names after all the effort and vitriolic campaigning they directed to get their case through parliament?

  220. zyconoclast

    The Dancing Troll

    the dancer is doing a fine job.

  221. Noodles Romanoff

    I’ve decided on a scotch

    Should be tax deductible for small business owners. A necessity for negotiating the accelerating burden of government and industry regulation.

  222. Fisky

    Country Shopper Twitter getting a little weird there –

    Samad Durrani‏ @Samad_durrani88
    49m49 minutes ago

    Although my dreams happiness and love have been taken from me and they are trying to replaced them with darkness sadness and hate but that’s not going to happen. My dreams happiness and love will be alive forever for the rest of the world.

    #Love_is_so_lovely
    #ManusSOS

  223. struth

    Don’t understand why marriage forms will be changed to exclude the words “husband” and “wife”.

    This is only the start.
    This is what it was all about, all along.
    To get to your kids, and to rub out “mother and father”

    That’s the family unit destroted.
    Families have to be destroyed before Marxists can take over, and they have to get to the kids.
    Insanity must be introduced and accepted.

    That is why this was never about gays, and only about destroying the west, and why the left so passionately pushed this issue.

    Watch what happens next.

  224. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Dancing Troll

    Notice to you young fellas. That’s when mini skirts were mini skirts, and young ladies wore matching knickers, and didn’t bend over to pick up less then a twenty dollar bill.

  225. struth

    That he and his husband and “trying for a baby”.

    Ah, the science must be settled.

  226. zyconoclast

    Vandal who left bacon inside mosque gets 15 years in prison

    A man who vandalized a Central Florida mosque by smashing windows and lights with a machete and leaving bacon at the scene pleaded guilty to criminal mischief to a place of worship.

    The state attorney’s office serving Brevard and Seminole counties said Michael Wolfe was sentenced to
    15 years in prison followed by 15 years of probation after he pleaded guilty Tuesday. The sentence had a hate crime enhancement.

    The 37-year-old was sentenced as a habitual offender. Titusville police arrested Wolfe in January 2016 after the New Year’s Day vandalism. A surveillance video showed him smashing lights, cameras and windows with a machete.

    Bacon was left by the front door. Consumption of pork and pork products made from pork is forbidden in Islam.

    He would have been better off shooting someone in San Francisco.

  227. zyconoclast

    Islamists Target Christian Converts In German Refugee Centers

    Islamists are known to target apostates. For the growing number of Muslim arrivals in Germany, a minority of those who have converted to Christianity say they are subject to attack.

  228. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Antonio Banderas + Katya Virshilas Take the Lead – Tango Scene

    PHOAR! PHOAR! said young Two Alpha, who’d come top of his class in English.. PHOAR!

  229. zyconoclast

    Pickles,
    please try again. Thanks.

  230. DrBeauGan

    Just stop calling all homosexuals of either gender bad people and perverts.

    Johanna, nobody is saying they are bad people. They may be lovely people. But being sexually attracted to someone or something where there is no possibility of offspring is the definition of a (sexual) perversion. Now there may have grown up over the years some derogatory connotations of the term pervert. And you may resent that in the case of your friends. Nevertheless the term is correct.

    This is why they prefer to use letters of the alphabet these days. In time, the opprobrium currently attached to the term pervert will transfer to the new word.

    There is a reason for this. It’s why ‘gay’ now has unflattering connotations. I suppose you could keep changing the words used and try to stay ahead of the game. I’m not much interested in the connotations, just the plain meaning. I don’t judge people by the class they belong to. But others do I admit, which is why changing the word is a losing game.

  231. twostix

    Liberal backbencher Tim Wilson, once seen as a strong advocate for freedoms of religion and conscience, abstained.”

    Where’s dot?

    10 year of (deliberate) wrongology right here.

  232. twostix

    Tim Wilson MP ✔ @timwilsoncomau
    It just hit me! The speech where I proposed to Ryan and the Marriage Equality gold pin I wore have entered the nation’s official history for the Museum of Democracy Canberra exhibition on delivering Marriage Equality next year. Yesterday was the moment. Today it is history.

    What the the hell is this bugman jibber jabber?

  233. Snoopy

    Wrongology is a vocation.

  234. Lysander

    Dear ZTKA and other concerned Cats.

    I survived aboriginal cultural awareness training. But nearly didn’t make it… all this talk of stolen children, stolen lands, slavery, government sanctioned marriages and that there was a genocide planned by my fellow evil white brothers started to make me twitch. The aboriginal presenter (smart guy yes) said no aboriginals got edumucated yet a few hours later produced a beautifully composed, immaculately handwritten letter his grandad wrote to authorities about getting married…

    It was so full of holes I don’t know where to start. Except with red wine.

  235. Memory Vault

    I’ve decided on a scotch

    A bit of trivia for you scotch drinkers. When Queen Elizabeth II christened the UK’s new aircraft carrier, she didn’t use a bottle of champagne. Instead, a bottle of single malt whisky from the Bowmore Distillery was used.

  236. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Friends” in Perth was one of our favourite restaurants, back in the day.

  237. I’ve decided on a scotch

    A bit of trivia for you scotch drinkers. When Queen Elizabeth II christened the UK’s new aircraft carrier, she didn’t use a bottle of champagne. Instead, a bottle of single malt whisky from the Bowmore Distillery was used.

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