Open Forum: December 9, 2017

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  1. squawkbox

    Foist! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Big Bang of Catallaxy commenters

  2. I’ve decided on a scotch

    A bit of trivia for you scotch drinkers. When Queen Elizabeth II christened the UK’s new aircraft carrier, she didn’t use a bottle of champagne. Instead, a bottle of single malt whisky from the Bowmore Distillery was used.

  3. squawkbox

    Just a thought prompted by the recurrence of the Grig-fungus in other threads. With the advances in AI, neural networks, big data etc, perhaps we will all soon be forced to post under our real names when our grammatical style and personal obsessions become easily recognisable to a server cluster, so that they can flag us with our first sentence.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Instead, a bottle of single malt whisky from the Bowmore Distillery was used.

    So Her Majesty should have. After all the nonsense about how only champagne, produced in certain areas of France can be called champagne, so she should have.

  5. Pedro the Ignorant

    Dammit. Just missed out on selection as twelfth man.

    I really wanted to carry the drinks, run out on the field with fresh gloves, sticky tape, band aids, new bats and spray Aerogard on the showpony batting at number three who gets all all the girls after the match.

    I shall sadly retire to the pavilion and drink beer all day.

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The aboriginal presenter (smart guy yes) said no aboriginals got edumucated yet a few hours later produced a beautifully composed, immaculately handwritten letter his grandad wrote to authorities about getting married…

    I’m sick of this shit. I went to school, in the early 1970’s with a certain Aboriginal, who went on to become a high profile actor. His boarding fees, school fees, school books, school uniforms and pocket money were all paid by the evil debbil debbil white taxpayer.

    My father worked damned hard, pioneering the sand plain country, to pay his children’s educations..No taxpayer’s money there…

  7. There’s not much sadder than hearing a small group of fat, deconditioned straighty one eighties karaokeing ackadacka at the arse end of a Xmas shindig.

  8. DrBeauGan

    the showpony batting at number three who gets all all the girls after the match.

    That would be me. 😁

  9. Oh come on

    A bit of trivia for you scotch drinkers. When Queen Elizabeth II christened the UK’s new aircraft carrier, she didn’t use a bottle of champagne. Instead, a bottle of single malt whisky from the Bowmore Distillery was used.

    IIRC, whisky as opposed to champers is standard practice for launching RN vessels.

    Wrt sparkling wine, Champagne is undoubtedly the best in the world. It’s not even close, really.

  10. IIRC, whisky as opposed to champers is standard practice for launching RN vessels.

    I’m game to challenge that statement.
    IIRC Scots whisky has been used only once before to launch an R.N. vessel. All sorts of fluid is used at times, right down to beer for submarines, the reason for that escapes me right now.

  11. struth

    The blog changes dunny rolls and off we go again, leaving our mark on it’s white surface as it unrolls.

    Bloody good scotch , that.

  12. Harlequin Decline

    Pickles
    #2579808, posted on December 9, 2017 at 12:18 am

    Bloody hilarious, thanks for posting.

  13. struth

    First weightlifting and now Federation des Femmes du Quebec.

    Whats next?

    Aborigines scratching their heads at all these people with WHITE SKIN calling themselves black, and women wondering how somebody with XY chromosomes and A COCK, can be a woman.

    Obviously the science has been settled.

    The Russians must be peeved.
    All that effort to keep Natasha’s chemically induced ball bag from dangling out her leotard, while attempting the clean and jerk, and the west just decided balls and a cocks and chromosomes don’t prove anything.
    I’d be asking for the medals back, if I were Putin.

  14. Nathan

    Sorry Cats if this is a bit OT but I attended my 11 yo twin boys school presentation day today. It is a good school as a general rule but today I saw 90% of academic awards go to girls. I think I may be biased having twin boys but if 90% of all awards between years 1-6 go to girls I can’t help but feel we are failing the boys.

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Nathan I attended the school awards tonight too. 90% went to the little bitches who sit up straight.

    I told my cheese that the boy is off to private boys school asap. Fuck ‘em.

  16. Makka

    I think I may be biased having twin boys but if 90% of all awards between years 1-6 go to girls I can’t help but feel we are failing the boys.

    I think that’s the plan, Nathan.

  17. Huck

    Been away for a while.
    Is fuckwit Grogory back after his smoting?

  18. Infidel Tiger #2579838, posted on December 9, 2017 at 2:16 am

    Nathan I attended the school awards tonight too. 90% went to the little bitches who sit up straight.

    I had the same experience 25 years ago at Belmay Primary, Denis Lillee’s old school. Boys won 3 out of 30 prizes. Two aboriginal boys won for sport and one retarded white boy for special dancing. We sent our boys to all boys private school after that, they had a better chance at winning something.

  19. one old bruce

    Excellent observation by Christopher R. Taylor an ace of spades commenter:

    “That’s what gets me. Trump has all the outward appearance of a massive narcissist. He branded his name. He has a tower made of gold with a huge TRUMP on the outside. The guy seems nracissistic as hell on first pass.

    But he doesn’t act like one. A narcissist has to turn everything into being about them. They cannot allow anyone, ever, to have the limelight or be more important than them. They don’t care about anyone else, or find them interesting on any level.

    Obama is a classic narcissist, everything literally is about him. Trump just seems to be playing a game; he’s using the name for earnings and to accomplish goals rather than out of some psychosis or compulsion. ”
    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=372870#c28010782

  20. Ahem. If you were in doubt regarding an Australian senator quizzing defence officials
    on behalf of China

  21. hzhousewife

    BBC overnight radio just had a great one hour discussion about bitcoin.
    Yesterday at work in an average retail store, I had a customer ask if we sold bitcoin. He wanted to buy bitcoin from a regular shop because he didn’t trust computers. He was a bit dishevelled and spacey, but otherwise normal, if uninformed about bitcoin. I had none to sell him.

  22. A Lurker

    I find it remarkable that the so-called and vocal LDP-type ‘libertarians’ on this site have nothing whatsoever to say about the failure of the Turnbull Government to protect our fundamental freedoms.
    Thursday was a massive, massive attack on freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression and freedom of religion, and the LDP-libertarians have gone AWOL.
    What is the use of the LDP if they will not or cannot publically defend our freedoms.
    Conservatives have done and are doing a far better job of articulating what is happening.
    For the LDP-libertarians it seems to be a matter of “move along, nothing to see here”.

    This is from today’s Australian newspaper – I am not a subscriber (so no link) but it was posted in full on FB and I am duplicating parts of the very long article here.

    Australia this week legislated same-sex marriage in a moment of jubilation and relief — yet this occurred in a divided parliament where the majority inflicted a crushing defeat on every effort to bolster individual and religious freedoms, with the Coalition sinking into an internal conflict over this historic change.

    Contrary to impressions, however, there is no internal settlement, no uniting of the whole nation. Turnbull delivered same-sex marriage but failed to deliver religious freedom protections he has espoused. This was inevitable because the numbers did not exist for them. The numbers are unlikely to exist next year or the year after. The Prime Minister, however, never once during the day rose to his feet to defend these enshrined principles, while still voting for three of the many religious freedoms amendments.

    The Liberal Party engaged in a brave debate based on conscience, member speaking against member. The conservatives tried to secure changes to safeguard charities against discrimination, to guarantee parental rights over marriage values their children are taught, to protect conscience for civil marriage celebrants and military marriage celebrants, to protect individuals when expressing a view about marriage and against being discriminated against for their beliefs, and to build into our laws religious freedom principles from the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

    Each was defeated. Each defeat was met with applause from the public galleries filled for the day-long debate with supporters of the same-sex marriage cause. Parliament was not just embracing a new freedom in same-sex marriage; the bell was tolling for protection of religious belief. Many politicians will deny this. But these are hollow words, given their votes and their speeches.

    Devoid of a satisfactory settlement, Australia’s culture war will continue. Its intensity and timing now depends on how the radical activists pursue their continuing campaign to erode further religious principles, norms and institutions.

    But the Liberal Party needs to beware. The consequences will be severe if it runs dead, enters the cone of ­silence and betrays one of the most basic principles of a liberal society and conservative order. That would further alienate conservative voters and the Catholic Church, and bring enduring discredit on itself.
    The fate of the main amendments was as follows: the Andrew Hastie proposal to protect free speech and guarantee parents’ rights was defeated 87-55; the Scott Morrison amendment to protect charities and prevent them being stripped of funding for their beliefs was lost 82-59; the Alex Hawke amendment to protect rights for military celebrants was defeated 87-59; two Andrew Broad proposals to protect charities and faith-based bodies were lost 86-52 and 85-60; proposals from ­Michael Sukkar to extend the new definition of marriage to also ­include “man-woman” marriage and protect conscience for civil celebrants was defeated 97-43; and Sarah Henderson, a supporter of same-sex marriage, proposed amendments essentially to incorporate into law the religious freedom declarations from article 18 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and was defeated 79-63, the closest that cause came to victory.

    Turnbull voted for the Henderson, Hawke and Broad amendments (the Broad amendment relating to faith-based charities). These were substantial efforts to secure religious freedom. Turnbull abstained from the other votes. But the PM should have spoken.

    In the end, only two cabinet ministers, Morrison and Barnaby Joyce, spoke to the amendments. Morrison and Peter Dutton, as Liberal cabinet ministers, voted for all the amendments. But a cabinet majority and a Coalition partyroom majority was conspicuous in most of the lost religious freedom votes. In short, there was no dispute about where the majority of government MPs lined up — and no dispute about their defeat.
    The cabinet minister most prominent in voting against and joining with Labor was Christopher Pyne, followed by Kelly O’Dwyer, who voted against, ­except on the Sarah Henderson amendment. They were joined by a group of Liberals who opposed most of the religious freedom proposals: Warren Entsch, Trent Zimmerman, Tim Wilson, Trevor Evans, Sussan Ley, Julia Banks and Jane Prentice among others.

    What will be different next year is that any vote on the Ruddock ­report recommendations will be a vote on a government bill, not a private member’s bill — whether that makes a decisive difference remains to be seen.

    In speaking to the amendments, Tony Abbott laid down a serious charge: “The problem that this house is wrestling with today is the absence of detailed consideration of freedom of speech, of conscience and of religion, which both the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition promised would be given to us before the bill was ­finalised. A promise was made by the leaders of this parliament and the promise has not adequately been delivered upon.”

  23. Tintarella di Luna

    In speaking to the amendments, Tony Abbott laid down a serious charge: “The problem that this house is wrestling with today is the absence of detailed consideration of freedom of speech, of conscience and of religion, which both the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition promised would be given to us before the bill was ­finalised. A promise was made by the leaders of this parliament and the promise has not adequately been delivered upon.”

    No Tony the promise was broken and not delivered upon AT ALL

  24. Sydney Boy

    Yesterday at work in an average retail store, I had a customer ask if we sold bitcoin.

    Technology is already leaving many people in society behind. If you don’t have a smart phone with all the apps, you will be finding it increasingly difficult to undertake day-to-day transactions with wider society.

  25. RobK

    Stable Salt Reactors. Why shouldn’t places like Roxby Downs be using this technology?
    http://www.moltexenergy.com

    Anywhere, especially away from coal fields. The sooner we embrace the obvious the better. This is an industry where Australia could have very much to offer. It would extend the useful resources we have for many, many generations. I can’t think of a reasonable downside.

  26. Mater

    Why shouldn’t places like Roxby Downs be using this technology?

    Because it’s more important to get your ‘proposal’ onto national TV, and your lapel pin into the Museum of Democracy!

  27. Farmer Gez

    Very well said Lurker.
    I regard David Broad as perhaps the most thoughtful conservative in parliament and my disgust of the likes of Kelly O’Dwyer couldn’t be higher.
    Could a more vacuous female quota type be found? She will not shut up but says nothing of value and has been a dismal failure in her role in cabinet.

  28. calli

    I told my cheese that the boy is off to private boys school asap. Fuck ‘em.

    Go for it IT. The young gentleman will never look back.

  29. Peter Castieau

    Correct Tinta, we were totally betrayed on promises around freedoms just as the two establishment parties are colluding now shielding their MPs from sanction around section 44!

  30. A Lurker

    Farmer Gez, the first two paragraphs alone were mine (sorry it was early and I should have embedded the rest of the article in quotations), the author of the rest of the article was Paul Kelly from The Australian newspaper.

  31. A Lurker

    Correct Tinta, we were totally betrayed on promises around freedoms just as the two establishment parties are colluding now shielding their MPs from sanction around section 44!

    Corruption and treachery haunt the corridors of ‘their’ Parliament House.

  32. calli

    I wake up to Seven News and discover that Trump is Literally Hitler again.

    The Jerusalem decision must have something to do with it.

  33. So approx. 40% of surveyed electorate say they reject ssm.
    Approx. 2% of parliament votes the same way as the electorate.

    Is that just wee bit out of touch ?

  34. Caveman

    Chumpchange that’s what left after Bitcoin.

  35. johanna

    Rambler, it seems to be an international affliction.

    In the UK, MPs voted an anti-Brexit book as their favourite for 2017, despite a majority vote by the unwashed in the opposite direction.

    In the US, Congress has to be dragged kicking and screaming to implement the policies that the people voted for.

    In Germany, 60% of the people think that immigration should be cut back, but Mama Merkel and co. take no notice.

    Our State politicians regularly ignore public opinion as well.

    The political class despises the people with a passion.

  36. min

    Nathan Re prizes won in education. Last Saturday was the graduation at Melbourne University for Medicine, 55% female 45% male. Dean’s prize and Valedictorian were both female. It takes 7 years to obtain M.D. Starting with a high 90 Atar score, an undergraduate degree then another entry exam Gamstat and ten interviews. I posted last week saying there was a low percentage of Anglo surnames, some of the males looked downright scruffy. A woman friend , retired doctor, says the bigger problem is that most women will get married and only work part time .

  37. Geriatric Mayfly

    I wake up to Seven News and discover that Trump is Literally Hitler again.

    Not to worry. Still a long way to go down the path into total contempt. Wait until the likes of Seven News discover that Trump is Literally Stalin.

  38. OneWorldGovernment

    In the next European war I will be fighting for Hungary, Poland and whomever else opposes the socialist despotic EU.

  39. Mater

    So approx. 40% of surveyed electorate say they reject ssm.

    I don’t understand the lack of caution from the politicians.
    I’ve said before that military experience has shown me that popular support is a fickle thing in a foreign country.
    The reality is that the gay community is the minority in this country. How long do they think it will take that 40% to grow exponentially, when long held personal beliefs and rights start getting attacked?
    The backlash could be immense, and potentially ugly.
    Any politician with a genuine concern for the gay community would have considered and acted on this during the vote, not get caught up in the ‘excitement’.
    Codified protections would have benefited all, not just the ‘No’ voters. It would have protected the gay community from the extremists in their midst.

  40. A Lurker

    The political class despises the people with a passion.

    Which explains the Socialist imperative to replace the contrary native population with immigrant vote herds.

  41. struth

    Are we actually taking the survey result as being uncorrupted?
    I am not.
    Due to section 44 most of the politicians in our parliament should not be sitting there (it’s not just about dual citizenship) and have lied to the survey respondents about freedoms being protected if they answered yes.

    That Sam Suk Dik Darstadly is still there you know our parliament is an unconstitutional bunch of traitorous fuckers and we may need to gather a few trucks together again but this time finish the job and pull these enemies of Australia out of the building and belt shit out of them as they deserve.

    Pure scum.
    And they’re laughing at you and me.
    Because we put up with it.

  42. rickw

    The backlash could be immense, and potentially ugly.

    I hope the backlash is very ugly, politicians need to be taught a lesson.

  43. entropy

    . A woman friend , retired doctor, says the bigger problem is that most women will get married and only work part time .

    Being a GP is just about the best qualification possible for young mothers. The benefits are endless.

    Your doctor is free
    You don’t need to try and book a timely, convenient time to see the doctor
    You can write your family’s prescriptions.
    You can surreptitiously diagnose your husband
    You get privileged access to the best specialists
    The above also applies to your aging parents and you can also check their lazy GP doesn’t just prescribe another pill to add to the fifteen others they are already taking so they can quickly move on to the next patient
    You get all kinds of special treatment by banks, other retailers, medical insurers and pharmaceutical companies
    Teachers take your kids, and you, seriously
    You can easily fit your work hours around your kids
    You can put in a few extra hours whenever you feel like it to pay for that overseas holiday
    You can increase the rate of patients per hour whenever you need a quick bit of cash.

    I am sure there is more. I would also point out that most unis now offer a medical course, so it is possible for a young gal with a pulse and a modicum of intelligence to enrol in a course and prepared to move out of home if necessary. Most practices are becoming full of part timers just like you so it will be easy to rock up just about anywhere you want once you have the Medicare paperwork.

    The only problem will be avoiding the Betas and finding the tradie husband while at Uni to really win the double.

  44. Snoopy

    Yet another key member of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe appears to have deep ties to the Democratic Party.

    Aaron Zebley served previously as Mueller’s chief of staff at the FBI and as a senior counselor in the National Security Division at the Department of Justice. He also served as an assistant U.S. attorney in the National Security and Terrorism Unit in Alexandria, Virginia.

    He is often referred to in the media as Mueller’s “right-hand man.”

    Also, in 2015 when he was a lawyer, he represented Justin Cooper, the IT staffer who personally set up Hillary Clinton’s unsecure server in her Chappaqua home, Fox News’ Tucker Carlson revealed on his show Thursday.

    Cooper, it so happens, is also the aide who destroyed Clinton’s old BlackBerries with a hammer.

  45. is still there you know our parliament is an unconstitutional bunch of traitorous fucker

    That parliament tolerates Dick Dastardly, Brandis, Trumble, Tits, Burkers, the hag, … shows that we have lost the war.
    A majority support these fsckers. No coming back from this.

  46. Geriatric Mayfly

    I am sure there is more. I would also point out that most unis now offer a medical course, so it is possible for a young gal with a pulse and a modicum of intelligence to enrol in a course

    Does excellence in the Social Sciences get you in? Having all the nuances of race and gender at your fingertips must be considered a high achievement. I’m sure the day cannot be too far away.

  47. OneWorldGovernment

    johanna

    from the old OT

    johanna
    #2579721, posted on December 8, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    OWG, areff, and other true lovers of music irrespective of its genre, here we go.

    ‘I don’t even know what I’m fightin’ for, aint never owned a slave,’

    Sadly, Earle is a signed up member of the SJW movement, despite it being the opposite of his culture. But he is an astonishingly talented artist, a personal wreck, seems to go with the territory.

    thanks for that.

  48. John Constantine

    Chicom wordtest

  49. Rae

    Are we actually taking the survey result as being uncorrupted?

    Ah, you noticed it too. That ABS guy who read out the results did look and sound gay.

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    So approx. 40% of surveyed electorate say they reject ssm.

    I don’t understand the lack of caution from the politicians.

    Remember the Newspoll shortly before the survey which showed that 62% favoured protection for religious beliefs in relation to SSM.

    That has gone by the wayside, but those 62% of voters haven’t.

    Politicians should carefully watch the baseball bat sales figures, especially Libs and Nats.

  51. John Constantine

    Weekend Australian has ASIO report on chicom funded change agents and Australia’s political quislings.

    Unprecedented is the way chicom purchased political outcomes is described.

    Blow up your coal power and buy chicom looting cartel monopoly provided solar panels.

    Blow up the irrigation and buy chicom sewerage grown vegetables.

    Deindustrialise agricultural chemical production and rely on the chicom monopoly.

    Look at how the chicoms run mining and agriculture in African client states and learn nothing.

    Base the entire economy on a property Ponzi scheme funded by hot Chinese money fleeing the chicoms, with the Chinese openly angry with the fleeing money and saying it will end.

    Poor fella my country.

  52. Boambee John

    Via Instapundit

    JOURNALISM: AN ENDLESS SERIES OF CLOWNS, STEPPING ON RAKES. CNN Gets Date Wrong, Claims Email Calling Attention to Public Information Was Secret Tipoff.

    We mustn’t be too harsh on m0nty.

    It seems that training to be a journalist involves learning to step on rakes.

  53. hzhousewife

    How long do they think it will take that 40% to grow exponentially, when long held personal beliefs and rights start getting attacked?

    It has started. Just had a conversation with a friend who described a dinner party in Melb last week where she – bravely – dropped the question How Did You vote? All but she and her husband had voted Yes. After a hour of honest discussion and a bit of knowledge sharing, all declared that if they had thought about it and knew more, they would have voted No. Too bad so sad. She said none of them trusted the survey. I mentioned Safe Schools and she hadn’t heard of it – she has gone away to learn more.
    Plenty of blokes think the scene in Parliament this week was unseemly and even disgusting.

    Farmer Gez, did you mean Andrew Broad NP rather than David Broad?

    I have no respect for Liberal Party MP’s any more, since if they were true to their principles they would have joined the Australian Conservatives by now.

    I heard that some of the cargo the Melb wharf strikers stopped this week were the Epi-pens that have been in short supply. Heroes aren’t they, these men. Containers had to go to Adelaide to be trucked back to Melb.

  54. Shelley

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  55. calli

    especially Libs and Nats.

    Why just them? The Members for Blaxland, Banks and Chifley (to name a few) might care to watch their backs.

  56. hzhousewife

    oops sorry about italics

  57. Mater

    Yesterday I bought a copy of ‘Nineteen Eight-Four’ for my lad to read.
    I note that it now comes ‘WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY DENNIS GLOVER’.

    From said ‘INTRODUCTION’:

    “Nearly seven decades after its publication, Nineteen Eight-Four remains a bestseller. Possibly more than any other book, it shaped the way we understood the twentieth century, and now helping us understand the twenty-first. In a world of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, fake news, alternative fact, the internet, drone surveillance and endless low-level wars, we are still using terms like Newspeak, doublethink, Thought Police, the Ministry of Truth and Big Brother to help us make sense of it all.”

    They couldn’t help themselves. Can’t have the kiddies reading it without setting in place THEIR terms of reference first.

  58. OneWorldGovernment

    Struth

    RE: Trepang fisherman from the OT and just for curiosity

    Wild rice, from which the crop was developed, may have its native range in Australia.[31] Chinese legends attribute the domestication of rice to Shennong, the legendary emperor of China and inventor of Chinese agriculture.[32] Genetic evidence has shown that rice originates from a single domestication 8,200–13,500 years ago[33] in the Pearl River valley region of Ancient China.[34] Previously, archaeological evidence had suggested that rice was domesticated in the Yangtze River valley region in China

    My Grandfather was one of the original rice growers in Australia around the Leeton-Griffith type area which came into being at the prompting of a Japanese bloke that I always understood to be part of the Japanese Royal Dynasty who was concerned that Japan would not have enough food and materials for their increasing population!

    They first tried growing rice near Swan Hill.

    But their are water birds that travel from China, Japan and all locations down the islands to Australia and of course have done for millennia.

    The first Japanese diplomatic mission in Australia was the Consulate established in Townsville, Queensland in 1896.

  59. Politicians should carefully watch the baseball bat sales figures …

    Cricket bats offer a wider range of shots.

    e.g.
    an off-drive to the knee cap, a slap around the ear, and, my favourite, a leading edge to the crotch.
    .

  60. A Lurker

    They couldn’t help themselves. Can’t have the kiddies reading it without setting in place THEIR terms of reference first.

    I would have torn out that page.

  61. Tel

    Stable Salt Reactors. Why shouldn’t places like Roxby Downs be using this technology?

    The trouble with that design is you want your reactor to last a long time, because any type of shut down for replacement is very expensive. So most parts are going to be stainless steel but salt will eat away the steel… heck even water eventually eats the steel, but that takes a long time, salt eats it faster. Unless we get better materials like ceramic coated pipes and stuff… but molten salt is hard to work with.

  62. johanna

    Mater, so who is Dennis Glover?

    Biography – Dennis Glover
    http://www.dennisglover.com.au/biography.html
    Dennis Glover is a professional speechwriter and author. He has worked as a policy adviser and speechwriter on the staff of Kim Beazley, Simon Crean, Mark Latham, Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan, and has written speeches for many other ministers and opposition leaders at the federal and state levels.

    Well, there’s a surprise.

  63. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2579926, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:15 am
    And yet the Japanese refuse rice imports, or at least restrict it to a great extent. (Not sure?)

  64. Baldrick

    Huck
    #2579849, posted on December 9, 2017 at 3:55 am
    Been away for a while.
    Is fuckwit Grogory back after his smoting?

    Keep an eye out for a stalker called Rae

  65. struth

    We are only just waking up to what is going on in the west very recently.

    We should not be too hard on ourselves.

    If somebody like Nigel Farage , surrounded by politics and corruption, member of the E.U. etc, himself naïve enough to think that winning the Brexit vote was good enough reason to believe the fight was over, I believe many right wing and the general population that believe the should have a country and borders, cannot be castigated too hard for not realising the level of pure corrupt and traitorous activity our politicians engage in.

    And none of us want to be considered “conspiracy theorists, so if there is doubt we tend to side with it.

    I remember thinking how loony it sounded a few years ago to say just because the people of Britain voted for Brexit, doesn’t mean they are going to get it.

    Doesn’t seem loony now.

    We expect that it won’t happen.

    We don’t have a problem with democracy.

    We have a problem with the way the political elite have corrupted it and disarmed it’s citizenry.

    The totalitarians that are our political class, from the MSM, academia, to actual politicians have now felt real power and that has come from their ability to side step the constitution by realising they just all need to shut up (that means the real opposition is not on the other side of the speaker, but the other side of the armed security at the door) and they have side stepped true democracy with a survey stunt, lied and there will be no backlash, and if there is (which there won’t be) it will be deemed unlawful and squashed.
    They find they have gotten away with it.

    They have now worked out just how free they are to run amok.

    They are surrounded by socialists on all sides, except the side they keep at a distance with guns.

    For those of you that said the sooner we fall the sooner we can rebuild had some strange notion that all the “slide into the abyss meant” was a bad deficit and we’d all wake up and vote right wing.

    Marxism and the left are insane and they want nothing more than the complete and utter destruction of the west, economically and socially.

    In our parliament are such people and the ones that aren’t are weak and self interested careerists.

    The question is, are we still in denial after what we have witnessed recently?

    It’s smacking us in the face, yet we seem to be, as a nation, putting our heads in the sand (which leaves our arses right there to be screwed).
    Or is that the case?
    Does the amount of people that turned up to Milo tell us something?
    He has had no MSM air time in Australia.
    That ten thousand turned up to see him in cities (not that conservative as country areas and big regionals) was quite a positive.
    The MSM here are raving lunatic Marxists and it’s sheeple.
    They black banned him.
    He gets on the MSM in the States and Britain.
    Not here.
    Yet people flocked.
    We have a fight.
    A big one.
    We left it too long.
    But from what I can see, the people are angry, and it’s growing.

    We should by now be able to see that those conspiracy nutjobs talking about allegiance to foreign powers like China and the U.N. were right and it has been proven.
    These people in our parliament are criminals, and others at best knowing, silent accomplices, their own careers more important than their nation’s welfare.
    Which is criminal.
    We also have a deep state and our swamp is just as putrid , if not more so than any western nation.

    What can we do?
    What are we willing to do, for our nation?

  66. Tom

    The allegation against US Senate MAGA candidate Roy Moore are unravelling and his attorneys have again called on Gloria Allred, who’s running the hit job first launched by the Washington Post, to release the 40-year-old yearbook “signature” for independent examination:

    Beverly Young Nelson has finally admitted that she forged a portion of the infamous high school yearbook that she and attorney Gloria Allred used as proof of her accusations against U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore.
    And in yet another blow to the credibility of ABC News, the disgraced, left-wing network downplayed the bombshell by presenting this admission of forgery as adding “notes” to the inscription. Worse still, the reporter actually coaches Nelson, puts words in her mouth, downplay the enormous significance of her deceit.

    RTWT.

    Meanwhile, Trump is on his way to a MAGA rally in Pensacola, FL, which will be broadcast into the adjoining Alabama TV market four days before the special Alabama Senate election to replace AG Jeff Sessions, which Moore is contesting against DNC leftard Doug Jones.

    Needless to say, Wapo’s pollsters are cooking the hell out of their D+15 polling samples in Alabama in an attempt to get Moore’s supporters to stay home next Tuesday, but local polling puts Moore well ahead.

  67. calli

    A Labor apparatchik writing a skewed introduction for Orwell’s 1984?

    Perfect! A good teacher would include it in the course.

  68. Bruce of Newcastle

    Unless we get better materials like ceramic coated pipes and stuff… but molten salt is hard to work with.

    Especially the heat exchange duty. If you want a heat exchanger to work it has to be made of a good conductor of heat. Ceramic coatings aren’t. Nor pretty much any coating which would stand up to high temperature, high corrosivity and extreme radiation.

    So the H/E contact plates or bundles will have to be removable and easy to replace. Which adds to the whole problem since getting them out of the melt then somehow draining the extremely radioactive salt off the surfaces then maintaining them is a materials maintenance nightmare.

  69. A Lurker

    What Labor says: (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bill-shorten-reaches-out-to-samesex-marriage-no-voters/news-story/af5a6b730c6a4663f6e4f6d409ec27ed) by Dennis Shanahan.

    “Bill Shorten has reached out to religious leaders and No voters to reassure them that Labor, in ¬“opposition or government”, wants to ensure religious liberties remain protected.
    In a letter to 12 religious ¬leaders including Christian archbishops and bishops as well as muftis and imams in southwest and western Sydney, Mr Shorten said Labor understood their concerns, believed the ¬legislation protected religious freedoms but offered to make ¬himself available “to work through any concerns you may have in relation to religious freedoms around Australia”.

    What Labor does: (also in today’s Australian newspaper, sorry no link) by Paul Kelly.

    “Throughout the day the Labor Party voted as a bloc. Its discipline held on every vote. No Labor member broke ranks; none uttered a sentence of meaningful support for religious freedom. As far as can be ascertained, none even abstained from a vote. Labor said all the amendments were unnecessary or dangerous, or both. It refused to admit the slightest threat to religious freedom in Australia despite considerable evidence to the contrary.”

  70. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2579935, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:23 am

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2579926, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:15 am
    And yet the Japanese refuse rice imports, or at least restrict it to a great extent. (Not sure?)

    Mark A

    I am not sure of the current state of play regarding Japan.

    You would need to check the Australian Rice Growers Association website.

    Japan is a bit like the EU in protecting it’s farmers .

    Last time I looked Thailand was the largest exporter of rice and the price of rice to the growers there is one of the potential destabilizing political factors.

  71. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A

    Australia’s biggest market for rice used to be PNG and Pacific Islands.

    How much went as ‘aid’ I am not sure.

  72. entropy

    Isn’t Dennis Glover a frequent regular on their ABC, particularly when he has a book to sell? Of course.

  73. H B Bear

    Yesterday I bought a copy of ‘Nineteen Eight-Four’ for my lad to read.
    I note that it now comes ‘WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY DENNIS GLOVER’.

    Mater, out of interest who published it? Not that it really makes any difference.

    Sales of 1984 spiked as The Donald was destroying Crooked Hillary and the media.

  74. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2579944, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:40 am

    Mark A

    Last time I looked Thailand was the largest exporter of rice and the price of rice to the growers there is one of the potential destabilizing political factors.

    There was a rice grower (and general farmer) lady under the pseudonym of ‘Debby’ who posted on Jennifer Marohassy’s forum years ago. Wonder how they are traveling now with the irrigation rules as they currently are?

  75. C.L.

    In the WSJ:

    Top Mueller aid and chief Manafort framer Andrew Weissmann attended Hillary Clinon election-night party.

  76. Mater

    If you peruse http://www.blackincbooks.com, the mystery reveals itself.

  77. struth

    In a letter to 12 religious ¬leaders including Christian archbishops and bishops as well as muftis and imams in southwest and western Sydney, Mr Shorten said Labor understood their concerns, believed the ¬legislation protected religious freedoms but offered to make ¬himself available “to work through any concerns you may have in relation to religious freedoms around Australia

    but offered to make ¬himself available “to work through any concerns you may have in relation to religious freedoms around Australia

    This polispeak interpreted means we will talk to you one on one if you have concerns.
    If you are Christian we will tell you to fuck off.
    If you are Muslim we will tell you that we will sort it out for you and you will be free to be as anti homo as you like.

  78. Mark A

    C.L.
    #2579951, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:51 am

    In the WSJ:

    Top Mueller aid and chief Manafort framer Andrew Weissmann attended Hillary Clinon election-night party.

    M0nty will be on it ASAP.

  79. C.L.

    One of the saddest things I’ve ever seen – at least the three minutes I could bear – was last night’s Lateline: The Farewell. Former hosts joined Emma to explain how brilliant they were trying to lift up this unjust, dreadful and hateful country five nights a week.

  80. JC

    Trump turns defeating ISIS into a fun turkey shoot.

    BAGHDAD – Hundreds of ISIS fighters had just been chased out of a northern Syrian city and were fleeing through the desert in long convoys, presenting an easy target to U.S. A-10 “warthogs.”

    And

    But the military’s job — to take back the land ISIS claimed as its caliphate and liberate cities like Mosul, in Iraq, and Raqqa, in Syria, as well as countless smaller cities and villages, is largely done. And it has taken less than a year.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/08/trump-mattis-turn-military-loose-on-isis-leaving-terror-caliphate-in-tatters.html

    Fellas, a little advice. If you’re running from the enemy, it’s probably a good idea not to go running in the desert in convoys when you don’t have control of the air. They can see you!

  81. JC

    Former hosts joined Emma to explain how brilliant they were trying to lift up this unjust, dreadful and hateful country five nights a week.

    Did the little rat end up getting the boot?

  82. C.L.

    In the SMH:

    I study liars. I’ve never seen one like President Trump.

    Bella DePaulo is a social scientist who has published extensively on the psychology of lying

    Huffington Post, May 2011:

    Obama Restored Honor and Dignity to the White House. He’s the Real Thing.

    By Bella DePaulo.

    Worth reading for a laugh.

  83. C.L.

    The whole show has been given the boot, JC.
    Nobody was watching it.

  84. JC

    Alan Kohler should be retried. He’s an imbecile.

    The longer the bitcoin mania goes on, the more people are certain about it — that it’s a bubble, that it’s not a bubble — but the less reason anyone has for certainty about anything any more.

    What the fuck does that even mean?

    if it means we lack certainty…We’ve never had certainty!

  85. Mark A

    JC
    #2579956, posted on December 9, 2017 at 10:01 am
    Fellas, a little advice. If you’re running from the enemy, it’s probably a good idea not to go running in the desert in convoys when you don’t have control of the air. They can see you!

    And what? They didn’t do a thing, let them go to fight an other day.

  86. C.L.

    CNN: ahahahahahahahaha.

    See DRUDGE.

  87. hzhousewife

    Kirk Douglas is 101 years old today, I’m led to believe.

  88. JC

    Yea.. I was wondering more if the little rat (Emma) is going to be re-assigned in some other slot on a different program or just booted. She’s the breadwinner in the family- as she kept reminding people every few days.

    Of course no one was watching it when they were interviewing people like Pilger as an mid east expert. Fmd.

  89. struth

    Yes the MIA was doing great guns there for a while.

    There is a lot known about the Trepang fishing in the North as the settlements in the north to cash in on this trade failed, and South Australia controlled the Territory up until 1911.

    So from the late 1800’s up until 1907 the sent boats up to collect payment by the way of taxes and permits paid (take the loot that was on board) from the Macassans for fishing in these waters.
    Great adventures were had chasing them and in the process, the industry, it’s relations with aboriginals, were well documented by these “tax collectors.”
    As happens to this very day, the taking of “what is owed the queen” eventually made the trepan fishing uneconomical and that’s why it stopped.
    I learned this a long time ago and I can’t remember the names of the guys that did this, but it wouldn’t be hard to find out, I just couldn’t be arsed.
    They were some colourful characters involved in a lot of shenanigans in those days up there.

  90. JC

    I’m just asking Emma on Twitter

    @albericie Hey Emma. Just wondering. I know Lateline was closed down for lack of viewers -brought on by stupid shit like interviewing Pilger as a mid east expert and other assorted fake news. Are u also getting the boot or just re-assigned?

  91. OneWorldGovernment
    #2579944, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:40 am

    Mark A
    #2579935, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:23 am

    ———————————————————————————

    Mark A

    I am not sure of the current state of play regarding Japan.

    You would need to check the Australian Rice Growers Association website.

    Japan is a bit like the EU in protecting it’s farmers .

    Japan is very protective of the domestic rice market, although that has eased over the last decade or so.

    As far as i am aware imports usually are arranged after the domestic rice crop.

    Imports of wild rice and royal rice are sought from any market available to supply.

  92. cuckoo

    BAGHDAD – Hundreds of ISIS fighters had just been chased out of a northern Syrian city and were fleeing through the desert in long convoys, presenting an easy target to U.S. A-10 “warthogs.”

    I miss the old days, when any desert convoy of raghead jihadis that got shot up by US forces miraculously transformed post mortem into an innocent ‘wedding party’.

  93. entropy

    Black Inc. is part of the Schwartz Media group. Schwartz Media also encompasses The Monthly, Australia’s leading current affairs magazine, and The Saturday Paper, a newspaper offering definitive accounts of the week’s most important stories.

    But of course!

  94. lotocoti

    Kirk Douglas is 101 years old today, I’m led to believe.

    I’ll be watching Cast a Giant Shadow.

  95. Awake

    http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/masterpiece-cakeshop-ltd-v-colorado-civil-rights-commn/

    Masterpiece cake shop v Colorado Civil Rights Commission

    A right to a custom made cake for a same sex couple? Coerced creativity.

    Interesting to follow this case closely as we might get similar cases , given the politicians pathetic and cowardly response to the newly passed “special rights” – the “gay” rights

  96. nilk

    Yesterday I bought a copy of ‘Nineteen Eight-Four’ for my lad to read.
    I note that it now comes ‘WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY DENNIS GLOVER’.

    My girl had to read Animal Farm this year in English. She got my copy from the early 80s, and she lucked out with a teacher who doesn’t like communism. Apparently it sounds good in theory but never works in practice.

    Year 10 reading is Romeo and Juliet, and The Rugmaker of Mazar-e-Sharif. Because you need to counter dead white males with not so dead and hardy, brave not so white men:

    Today’s Christians are faced with the challenge of understanding better, the faith and customs of Muslims who are a small minority in our country.

    A charming yet confronting way to do so is to read this account by a Melbourne Afghan refugee of his life, his gruesome persecution and of his sustaining faith.

    It is an inspiring story of optimism, goodness and thankfulness.

    In the great oral tradition of the Hazara who were so often denied access to education, Najaf tells his story of life as a simple shepherd boy and a then a12 year old passionate apprentice rugmaker.

    His Shia Muslim faith provides the whole framework and wisdom for life. It imbues every moment of his waking.

    The reader/listener begins to understand the everyday life, the culture and relationships within the family and tribe and also the external evils of ethnic and religious fanaticism that destroy his home, his beloved family and community.

    Nothing beats this personal story of why refugees leave the country and people they love.

    Very troubling for Australians who did not know what was happening in immigration detention centres to the boat people who came here seeking peace and safe haven, is the sensitive and honest description of the toxic environment in Woomera. It was hell on earth.

    Najaf survived the damaging detention experience to rebuild a life in Melbourne and be reunited with his wife and daughter after years of forced separation.

    This book is a fine testament to a good man, a faithfull Muslim man, one of many who came to these shores and found a new life.

    But it did not have to be so hard.

    Having mates who worked in detention centres (not just our Mole), it most def was hell on earth in Woomera, but not for the reasons in the book.

    *spit*

  97. Leo G

    Huffington Post, May 2011:
    Obama Restored Honor and Dignity to the White House. He’s the Real Thing.
    By Bella DePaulo.
    Worth reading for a laugh.

    A very honorable and dignified operation it was to weaponise the US intelligence agencies and the IRS to sabotage the opposition.

  98. Des Deskperson

    This morning’s Oz reports ATO boss Chris Jordan reflecting on Cranstongate.

    The article is paywall-protected, but it involves few surprises.

    Cranstongate was an isolated incident – yeah, involving a First Assistant Secretary and two Assistant Secretaries

    Cranston only twigged to what his son was up to at the very last minute and nobly but misguidedly tried to help him out of filial affections – yeah, the fact that the father of of one of Australia’s allegedly worst tax cheats was a long serving senior ATO employee is only a coincidence.

    But the one interesting bit is this reported statement by Jordan:

    “.. as colleague who had a great respect and fondness for MichaelCranston, it was one of the most difficult things I’ve dealt with in my career.”

    ‘Fondness’?? In the circumstances, a very foolish word indeed from a top official with a key integrity role.

  99. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2579950, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:51 am

    There was a rice grower (and general farmer) lady under the pseudonym of ‘Debby’ who posted on Jennifer Marohassy’s forum years ago. Wonder how they are traveling now with the irrigation rules as they currently are?

    These days I rarely go to Jennifer Marohassy’s forum, nor Jo Novas or even WUWT because it is just too dispiriting to anymore read about the idiot shenanigans of bureaucrats and politicians.

    MIA rice got knocked around during the big drought but as far as I know it’s still going okay although, once again, the filth have done their best to restrict as much water as possible.

    I occasionally tap into the online Weekly Times and/or The Stock and Land and see reporting of some rice growers kids I grew up with that are now on the front line and mentally send them a cheer but I am not in contact to know the real understanding of the industry.

  100. What can we do?
    What are we willing to do, for our nation?

    Too little, too late, Struth. Now it’s like the old saying:
    “When rape is inevitable, lie back and enjoy it”.

    Well, “rape” is now inevitable, and there’s not much to be done about it except lie back and enjoy it.

  101. H B Bear

    But of course!

    Yep entropy the Melbournibad J e w i s h vanity press. j’ism lint trap for the unemployable, the j’ism sprayers the Grauniad rejects. Presumably 1984 must be out of copyright so anyone can churn a copy out.

  102. Viva

    Did the little rat end up getting the boot?

    I recall reading some time back that she’s going to be an economics correspondent in the abc

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Des … I did wonder if we were about to find that Cranstongate was more far-reaching than we thought or there was another similar case about to break.
    Jordan has been spinning hard of late about the brave foot-soldiers of the ATO bringing down evil pizza-shop owners who pocket $100 in cash after a 12 hour day.

  104. max

    Mater, Thomas Ricks’ Churchill and Orwell: The Fight for Freedom is not a bad read.

    The early parts make much of the appeasers in the thirties. Even British soccer players competing against Germany during the Berlin Olympics of 1938 “gave the Nazi salute during the playing of the German national anthem at the specific request of the British Foreign Office.”

    Parallels to today abound.

  105. struth

    Today’s Christians are faced with the challenge of understanding better, the faith and customs of Muslims who are a small minority in our country.

    Yep, they fuck their own country with a peasant backward culture and bring it here, complete with killing infidels.

    A charming yet confronting way to do so is to read this account by a Melbourne Afghan refugee of his life, his gruesome persecution and of his sustaining faith.

    Because Muslims never dribble shit.
    It’s all facts here kiddies.

    It is an inspiring story of optimism, goodness and thankfulness

    So he should be thankful, he got to the west, a far , far superior culture, built on a much older and far superior peaceful religion.

    In the great oral tradition of the Hazara who were so often denied access to education, Najaf tells his story of life as a simple shepherd boy and a then a12 year old passionate apprentice rugmaker.

    The same jobs that were around when Islam started………………..peasants.

    His Shia Muslim faith provides the whole framework and wisdom for life. It imbues every moment of his waking.

    Imbues or controls………..

    It even controls how he wipes his arse and cuts his toe nails………………..Imbues………………spare me.

    The reader/listener begins to understand the everyday life, the culture and relationships within the family and tribe and also the external evils of ethnic and religious fanaticism that destroy his home, his beloved family and community.

    Fascinating………..yawn.

    Nothing beats this personal story of why refugees leave the country and people they love.

    Yes it does, why they pass through many safe countries to get to the west.

    Very troubling for Australians who did not know what was happening in immigration detention centres to the boat people who came here seeking peace and safe haven, is the sensitive and honest description of the toxic environment in Woomera. It was hell on earth.

    Not one of these experts on Woomera have ever been there, and the activists that have , who they believe, would see anything less than five star accommodation as Changi.
    They had aircon and meals and clothes and entertainment and much more.
    They should not have been on our soil.
    Once they have passed the first safe haven country they are no longer refugees, they are invaders.
    They should have been shot.
    I’d go there for a holiday myself, if I didn’t have to be surrounded by camel jockeys.

    Najaf survived the damaging detention experience to rebuild a life in Melbourne and be reunited with his wife and daughter after years of forced separation.

    No one forced anyone.
    He should not be here.

    This book is a fine testament to a good man, a faithfull Muslim man, one of many who came to these shores and found a new life.

    This is the story of a cue jumping criminal

    But it did not have to be so hard.

    The writer of this dribble could have taken responsibility for him and covered the costs, but they never do, do they.

    Who paid for the book, and who is paying this piece of shit now?

  106. Myrddin Seren

    As so often happens, events in Canada and Australia mirror each other:

    The whole Liberal establishment covets close China relations… and for what?

    Read the whole thing about the Canadian Left falling over themselves to buy favour with China. Trudeau is cheap – just appeal to his huge vanity and limited vision. The rest are plainly after the Ka-ching$$.

    A couple of interesting points to spike your interest:

    Article 19 of the Company Law of the People’s Republic of China stipulates that all companies doing business in the country must incorporate a party committee into its management structure. In the case of joint ventures, the party is now demanding that the company’s party secretary be the board chairman.

    You go to do business in China, you will inevitably become and arm of the Party.

    ….it’s worth noticing that China’s ruling princelings have already secured a shadowy free trade zone for themselves in Metro Vancouver real estate. Last month, the International Housing Affordability Study identified Vancouver as the least-affordable city in North America, while the corruption watchdog Transparency International reports that Vancouver has emerged as a major transnational money-laundering hub.

    Dirty money is pouring through Metro Vancouver casinos, and the region’s housing stock is increasingly owned by shell companies, trusts, anonymous beneficiaries, or nominees who list their occupation as “housewife” or “student.” It’s gotten to the point that B.C. Attorney General David Eby reckons there is simply no relationship between house prices in Metro Vancouver and taxable income reported to Revenue Canada “until you get out to the distant suburbs.”

    We feel for you, Canucks.

    ( h/t SDA )

  107. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2579979, posted on December 9, 2017 at 10:36 am

    I occasionally tap into the online Weekly Times and/or The Stock and Land and see reporting of some rice growers kids I grew up with that are now on the front line and mentally send them a cheer but I am not in contact to know the real understanding of the industry.

    Neither am I, JM only posts occasionally, I used to be in touch with most of those on the forum who were farmers, as I’m from a farming background myself, albeit from dry land farming around the Kyneton district. Sadly life moves on and we lost touch.
    I like my job more than farming and am happy that my older brother is running them. Miss the lifestyle sometimes, but then, there is almost as much bureaucracy strangling farmers, if not more, than any other industry.

  108. OneWorldGovernment

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2579970, posted on December 9, 2017 at 10:15 am

    Japan is very protective of the domestic rice market, although that has eased over the last decade or so.

    As far as i am aware imports usually are arranged after the domestic rice crop.

    Imports of wild rice and royal rice are sought from any market available to supply.

    Agree Carpe Jugulum

    Wasn’t sure where Japan was up to these days because I am basically out of the loop.

    My family history told me, which is different from the ‘official’ NSW Rice Growers history, that the bloke that came out from Japan to encourage us to grow rice was a Prince of the Japanese Royal Family.

    If you don’t mind 2 vignettes

    1. An old bloke that taught me a thing or two had been a sniper in PNG and some of the Islands. He told me he could smell the Japanese ‘enemy’ and it might take 2 or 3 days to get them but he became the largest rice grower in Australia.

    2. I have never been more humbled than to have an older Japanese man bow to me even whilst he had a crowd of younger folk around him. I bowed at the same level and we stepped aside.

  109. Snoopy

    Breitbart

    “Beverly, he signed your yearbook,” ABC News reporter Tom Llamas says.

    “He did sign it,” she replies.

    “And you made some notes underneath.”

    “Yes,” Nelson admits.

    The “notes underneath” she references are the following:

    12-22-77

    Olde Hickory House

    So at the very least the place and time are forged. What credibility for the car park grope, now?

    Let’s not forget it was ‘Old’ not ‘Olde’.

  110. Arnost

    Obama’s magic wand slur:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhXkCF-L2E

    Drudge a year later:
    JOBS TRUMP EXPECTATIONS….
    +228,000 NOVEMBER…
    2.2 Million New Jobs Since Election…
    Record low unemployment rate for manufacturing…
    Hispanic unemployment rate drops to 4.7% – LOWEST in history of USA… MORE…

    Well, here’s my wand… Abra-ka-fucking-dabra

  111. Bruce of Newcastle

    I recall reading some time back that she’s going to be an economics correspondent in the abc

    I hope she gets her own economics show. She could call it Das Kapital.

  112. Jo Smyth

    If you didn’t know Mark Latham’s history you would never guess in a million years he was once the leader of the Labor Party. He now, at times, sounds more conservative than me and I never thought that could be possible. Has he ever explained what changed his opinions or is it that Labor has just gone so far over to the dark side.

  113. Rabz

    Jo – Latho is a social conservative and even those largely hidden tendencies were evident when he was in the layba pardee.

    Back at the time he expressed some very scathing opinions about what mass immigration of insoluble third world imbeciles had done to certain parts of Sydney.

    Economically, I still think he would be fairly suspect.

  114. Ivan Denisovich

    Today’s Christians are faced with the challenge of understanding better, the faith and customs of Muslims who are a small minority in our country.

    Vichyste clergy:

    Advent-cum-Mawlid: church holds joint birthday celebration for Mohammed and Jesus

    Mawlid (or Milad) is the Islamic festival commemorating the birthday of Mohammed. The only thing it has in common with Christmas is that it isn’t actually the day the celebrated baby was born. Yet All Saints Church in Kingtson upon Thames thinks there’s an interfaith syncretised opportunity to be found in holding a joint birthday celebration for both Mohammed and Jesus – so they put the flags out for both, rejoicing in both, eulogising both, solemnising both, glorifying both, honouring both.

    But note how this event is “Marking the birthday of Prophet Mohammed”, but not looking forward to the birthday of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Mohammed gets his prophethood, while Jesus gets neither his prophethood nor his priesthood; neither his kingship nor his messiahship. It’s the exalted Prophet Mohammed along with plain old Jesus, because to have added any of his claims to divinity would, of course, have alienated many Muslims (if they hadn’t already been alienated by the haram celebration), which wouldn’t have been very interfaith or sensitively missional, would it?

    We have been here before: when Westminster Abbey hosted a service in which Mohammed was named in the succession of prophets, they effectively proclaimed to the world that Mohammed is greater than Jesus

    http://archbishopcranmer.com/advent-mawlid-church-birthday-mohammed-jesus/

  115. Mark A

    Jo Smyth
    #2579999, posted on December 9, 2017 at 11:03 am

    Has he ever explained what changed his opinions or is it that Labor has just gone so far over to the dark side.

    Yes he did, he said that he didn’t move, labor had.

  116. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2579991, posted on December 9, 2017 at 10:55 am

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2579979, posted on December 9, 2017 at 10:36 am

    I occasionally tap into the online Weekly Times and/or The Stock and Land and see reporting of some rice growers kids I grew up with that are now on the front line and mentally send them a cheer but I am not in contact to know the real understanding of the industry.

    Neither am I, JM only posts occasionally, I used to be in touch with most of those on the forum who were farmers, as I’m from a farming background myself, albeit from dry land farming around the Kyneton district. Sadly life moves on and we lost touch.
    I like my job more than farming and am happy that my older brother is running them. Miss the lifestyle sometimes, but then, there is almost as much bureaucracy strangling farmers, if not more, than any other industry.

    I came from Niemur River country.

    I hope you have a good flight back.

  117. Rabz

    faced with the challenge of understanding better, the faith and customs of Muslims

    Oh, fuck off. I know way more about the absurd disgusting beliefs of those vile nazi fuckwits than I ever had any desire to. My father instructed me about what a scourge they were and how my family was descended from a long line of Crusaders, including the Venetians at Lepanto.

    The three most evil beliefs to have blighted humanity are communism, nazism and islam. I will never rest until the latter no longer exists.

  118. OneWorldGovernment

    Carpe Jugulum

    One of my favourite series is “Lone Wolf and Cub”.

  119. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2580007, posted on December 9, 2017 at 11:11 am
    I hope you have a good flight back.

    Thanks OWG, looks like we will, I fly Qatar (not by choice but no complaints) and every time we return, we find the plane half empty. Where do all those swarthy fellers go when we depart?

  120. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Who paid for the book, and who is paying this piece of shit now?

    I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question?

  121. zyconoclast

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2579926, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:15 am
    And yet the Japanese refuse rice imports, or at least restrict it to a great extent. (Not sure?)

    I read that Japan would import rice then stock pile it so the can donate it it as foreign aid.

    The S.Koreans may have done it.

  122. struth

    I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question?

    You assume correctly

  123. OneWorldGovernment

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2580013, posted on December 9, 2017 at 11:19 am

    Who paid for the book, and who is paying this piece of shit now?

    I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question?

    LOL

  124. Mark A

    FB
    better go to bed it’s 1:22AM here training myself to stay awake for a 4:30 pickup on Monday, the wify has no such troubles, she can wake up and go at a moments notice, 3 children do that I suppose.
    /FB

  125. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2580012, posted on December 9, 2017 at 11:19 am

    Where do all those swarthy fellers go when we depart?

    Don’t worry, be happy.

    ASIO has got ’em pegged.

  126. zyconoclast

    Well, “[email protected]” is now inevitable, and there’s not much to be done about it except lie back and enjoy it.

    Is bending over an approved position?

  127. Top Ender

    This is outrageous!

    A motorcyclist in Hobart has been arrested after allegedly riding at nearly twice the legal speed limit on a high-powered bike.

    Pollice say they intercepted the 35-year-old travelling at 158km/h in an 80km/h zone on Hobart’s Southern Outlet near Kingston, seizing his motorbike.

    The man was charged and bailed to appear in court at a later date.

    I managed to get my Moto Martin Kawasaki up to 235 on the Southern Outlet in 1983. It was 630 in the morning and not a vehicle to be seen.

    Nanny state!

  128. Zatara

    Fellas, a little advice. If you’re running from the enemy, it’s probably a good idea not to go running in the desert in convoys when you don’t have control of the air. They can see you!

    Mark A
    And what? They didn’t do a thing, let them go to fight an other day.

    Mark, that was poorly written in the article but look closely, it was in August 2016 – when Obama and his minions were still micromanaging the farce.

  129. zyconoclast

    TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WEIGHING PLANS FOR PRIVATE SPIES TO COUNTER “DEEP STATE” ENEMIES

    THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION is considering a set of proposals developed by Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a retired CIA officer — with assistance from Oliver North, a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal — to provide CIA Director Mike Pompeo and the White House with a global, private spy network that would circumvent official U.S. intelligence agencies, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials and others familiar with the proposals. The sources say the plans have been pitched to the White House as a means of countering “deep state” enemies in the intelligence community seeking to undermine Donald Trump’s presidency.

  130. Robber Baron

    Kelly O’Dwyer just sent me her usual email. This one describes why she must be defeated at the next election. Here’s just a taste…”Changing the marriage act
    Yesterday’s change to the Marriage Act is an affirmation of love, equality under the law, fairness and family. There was overwhelming support for same-sex marriage in Higgins, with 78.3% voting YES. This week I spoke in the House about how same-sex marriage is a Liberal cause and will strengthen families across Australia. I also spoke about the importance of keeping protections for ministers of all religions whose beliefs conflict with same-sex marriage.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    faced with the challenge of understanding better, the faith and customs of Muslims

    Why? What has Islam ever contributed to Australia, and why is there this almost slobbering adulation of a religion that has no place in a modern, secular, democracy?

  132. Zatara

    Happen to be in Pensacola, Fl tonight. Just watched Air Force One fly by to land at the military base here.

    I passed by the venue where Trump will be speaking about 15 minutes ago. Huge line of people waiting in the freezing rain to get in, and I do mean freezing. There were a few spurts of snow falling earlier and they expect more tonight.

    Tiny group of protestors mostly holding anti-Roy Moore signs.

    Alas, I found out I’d be here too late to get tickets for the show but apparently it is going to be carried live on FOX Business and perhaps FOX news. The sports pubs and such seem packed as well so I guess some would rather watch with an adult beverage in hand.

  133. Myrddin Seren

    Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Al Jazeera TV on Friday that the Palestinians will not talk to the United States until President Donald Trump has reversed his decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the channel reported.

    Phew – that will be a relief then.

  134. why is there this almost slobbering adulation of a religion that has no place in a modern, secular, democracy?

    Tis so you can demolish a modern, secular, democracy.

  135. Joe

    Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Al Jazeera TV on Friday that the Palestinians will not talk to the United States until President Donald Trump has reversed his decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the channel reported.

    In retaliation, the USA will terminate all payments to the Palestinians worth billions. Have a nice day.

  136. herodotus

    Lucius’ latest troll thread is open for business.

  137. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Al Jazeera TV on Friday that the Palestinians will not talk to the United States until President Donald Trump has reversed his decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the channel reported.

    The Palestinians, a people that have never lost an opportunity to lose an opportunity, lose another opportunity..

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Al Jazeera TV on Friday that the Palestinians will not talk to the United States until President Donald Trump has reversed his decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the channel reported.

    Ok Saeb, the US won’t pay you Palis any money until you reverse your decision not to talk to the US.

    Taylor Force Act

    The legislation proposes to stop American economic aid to the Palestinian Authority until the PA changes its laws to cease paying stipends funneled through the Palestinian Authority Martyr’s Fund to individuals who commit acts of terrorism and to the families of deceased terrorists.

    On August 3, 2017 the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations passed the advancement of the bill by a vote of 16-5.

    Dead easy to amend to add “or if Palis are so stupid as to refuse to talk with the people paying them” to the text.

    I myself would be in favour of requiring the Palis to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel before being paid, just to explode their heads a tiny bit more.

  139. Infidel Tiger

    Might have been mentioned up thread, but I scroll for no man. There is an hilarious story about how the freaks in the public gallery had a three hour debate over what song to sing after marriage was officially destroyed by the state. Adavance Australia fair was considered to divisive.

    What a country!

  140. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I myself would be in favour of requiring the Palis to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel before being paid, just to explode their heads a tiny bit more.

    I’d explode their thick skulls once and for all – what about recognizing Isreal’s right to even exist?

  141. Baldrick

    Lucius’ latest troll thread is open for business.

    If I want ABC talking points I’ll sully myself and read the ABC News website.

  142. Dr Sir Major General

    Lucius’ latest troll thread is open for business.
    No, thanks. Had I a need to read invalid and irrational arguments (yet accusing others of fallacies) and hysterical “almost-a-year-in-office-and-he-aint-built-a-3,000-km-wall-yet” never-Trumpism I could already go to any mainstream media website.

  143. John Constantine

    Their Julie Bishop will announce more aid for Palestine, to make up for the Trumpnado.

  144. calli

    I popped over just to add my two cents’ worth. Chuckle.

  145. Bill Thompson

    I get my daily news & current affairs fix from a variety of sources, including Catallaxy, their ABC, BBC, Fox News & many others, including Mark Steyn. Mark often gets in a few great gags, too… Note that their ABC News has recently been all over the Roy Moore controversy in the States but allegations about Congressional “icon”, John Conyers? – Zip.

    https://youtu.be/BKuNgceOkJA

  146. lotocoti

    and will strengthen families across Australia.

    Really?
    How will a cosmetic ceremony strengthen families?
    How many such families would disintegrate without the imprimatur of the state?

  147. Mike of Marion

    TE, Zulu, et al

    Bang, bang at Concert.

  148. Baldrick

    I spoke in the House about how same-sex marriage is a Liberal cause and will strengthen families across Australia. I also spoke about the importance of keeping protections for ministers of all religions whose beliefs conflict with same-sex marriage.“ – Kelly O’Dwyer

    Lying liar. She voted with Labor against all religious protection amendments:

    Andrew Broad’s second amendments voted down
    Like all amendments that have come before it today, the Nationals MP’s second and final set of amendments for religious protections, has been voted down. Ayes: 60. Noes: 85. There’s one amendment left — from Sarah Henderson — to be considered before the vote on legislation.
    Ministers Christopher Pyne and Kelly O’Dwyer have done as they promised and voted against all the amendments.

  149. Geriatric Mayfly

    WORLD BREAKING NEWS
    UN rejects US recognition of Jerusalem
    The United States found itself isolated at a special United Nations Security Council meeting in its recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, a move that set off alarms about the risk of escalating conflict in the Middle East. Eight of the 15 members of the UN Security Council had called for an urgent meeting to analyse the decision taken by Washington.

    WORLD SHATTERING SURPRISE more like it. The 8 are the milksops from the EU. “And let’s have a meeting,” they say. Lord, give me strength.

  150. C.L.

    Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Al Jazeera TV on Friday that the Palestinians will not talk to the United States until President Donald Trump has reversed his decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the channel reported.

    He also announced that the Americans can’t come over and play on the waterslide anymore.

  151. Makka

    I popped over just to add my two cents’ worth. Chuckle.

    So did mUnty. One comment and he killed LQC stone cild dead,lol. The kiss of death is mUnty.

  152. C.L.

    Freak show down at the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages this morning.

  153. Pete of Perth

    Some bint on TV says that private education is “feeding a business scene” and should be banned. I switched it off.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Viva

    #2579983, posted on December 9, 2017 at 10:43 am

    Did the little rat end up getting the boot?

    No-one at the ABC gets “the boot”.
    They just get parked on full salary ($334,228.90 p.a. plus 15% super) including the premium for doing late night TV which they are no longer doing.

  155. Infidel Tiger

    That’s Elizabeth Farrelly.

    Usually she is abusing tradesman.

  156. mh

    Can anyone explain why Sinc puts up quotes such as this:

    Liberty Quote

    Instead of dishonouring the deaths of six million in the past, climate deniers risk the lives of hundreds of millions in the future. Holocaust deniers are not responsible for the Holocaust, but climate deniers, if they were to succeed, would share responsibility for the enormous suffering caused by global warming.
    — Clive Hamilton

    What are we to make of it?

  157. H B Bear

    Cuddly Costello to O’Dwyer sums up the death of the Lieboral party perfectly. Time to bury the corpse.

  158. H B Bear

    Can anyone explain why Sinc puts up quotes such as this:

    Just one example of the rampant idiocy that passes for public debate in this country. There’s a fair few on rotation.

  159. calli

    Freak show down at the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages this morning.

    Just men? How misogynistic.

  160. Tintarella di Luna

    I spoke in the House about how same-sex marriage is a Liberal cause and will strengthen families across Australia. I also spoke about the importance of keeping protections for ministers of all religions whose beliefs conflict with same-sex marriage.“ – Kelly O’Dwyer

    Lying liar. She voted with Labor against all religious protection amendments:

    The outside reflects the inside of that creepy creep

  161. min

    The rug maker is a lovely story and I have had coffee with him and his mentor who helped set up his carpet store. Ask him how many times he has been back to Afghanistan , years ago it was 10.

  162. Geriatric Mayfly

    Freak show down at the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages this morning.

    Is the dwarfish one pregnant already? A big bouquet on the wedding day will conceal the embarrassment.

  163. testpattern

    What geomythology can tell us

    ‘Vanished islands and ‘lost continents’

    The Pacific Islands, the focus of most of my research over the past 30 years, has stories about past natural events — massive eruptions and earthquakes, giant waves, for instance — that have traditionally been regarded as largely apocryphal.

    I have focused on some of the stories from Pacific Island cultures about “vanished islands”, stories that come from almost every part of this vast region — nearly one-third of the earth’s surface. The idea of an entire island disappearing suddenly seems instinctively implausible, the stuff of Atlantean fantasy, yet there are many such stories in the Pacific that seem quite believable at their cores.’

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/geomythology-loch-ness-monster-and-other-folk-tales-conversation/9240878

    Volsella and Duddell shoals to the north of the Wessels are remembered as islands by Yolngu who claim them as part of their Manbuynga ga Yulyapa waters. One is squid dreaming the other fruit bat dreaming, part of the now inundated Arafuraland. I call it Batlantis.

  164. Tintarella di Luna

    There is an hilarious story about how the freaks in the public gallery had a three hour debate over what song to sing after marriage was officially destroyed by the state. Adavance Australia fair was considered to divisive.

    How stupid are they? It’s gotta be this one

  165. Tintarella di Luna

    Some bint on TV says that private education is “feeding a business scene” and should be banned. I switched it off.

    Any clue that the bint knew that all education used to be private education until the interference of government?

  166. Tintarella di Luna

    I spoke in the House about how same-sex marriage is a Liberal cause and will strengthen families across Australia. I also spoke about the importance of keeping protections for ministers of all religions whose beliefs conflict with same-sex marriage.“

    Robber Baron did you send her a missive back saying that you know she voted against every amendment that would have protected religious and other freedoms? What a slimy disgusting witch? knowing that most people don’t give a rat’s about what that lie of politicians dose in parliament. Loathsome disgusting swine.

  167. P

    Zatara #2580066, posted on December 9, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    Trump rally live streaming

    Thank you for posting Pensacola live. I’ve been watching since the beginning and still enjoying.

  168. Infidel Tiger

    Freak show down at the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages this morning.

    Is it usually open on a Saturday?

    Don’t tell me we are paying pubes double time for this sham.

  169. testpattern

    Turnbull Hunt and Payne still couldn’t give a PFAS for Katherine. Other peoples kids…

    ‘The NT Health Department put signs up warning people not to collect or eat any fish or shellfish caught in the Katherine River.

    The Department of Defence updated residents on PFAS chemical contamination on Monday night.

    Residents were cautioned not to eat fish caught in the Katherine River and other homegrown produce. Fish found below the Stuart Highway bridge have been found with high levels of PFAS and anglers have been warned to avoid eating the fish as a precaution.’

    http://www.katherinetimes.com.au/story/5109498/warning-signs-are-up/?cs=1837

  170. Mother Lode

    ‘Cos he is out there, some where:

    Fuck off, Septimus.

  171. Leigh Lowe

    Freak show down at the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages this morning.

    My new business hiring out pink flamingos, 16 yo bare chested page boys and Judy Garland impersonators is going to go gang-busters next year.

  172. Tintarella di Luna

    Is it usually open on a Saturday?

    it’s usually open on a Saturday — but why would they not go to Parramatta much nicer and roomier venue and no smell of last night’s chow mein.

  173. A Lurker

    Freak show down at the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages this morning.

    Gotta have their day in the media spotlight.
    I wonder how many couples were elbowing each other to get to the front of the queue and their five-minutes of fame?

  174. Tintarella di Luna

    Freak show

    Oh my goodness how scandalous, that first photo no wonder there’s a rush -it looks like a shotgun wedding might be the reason for the haste.

    I see the queue for the month’s notice — I wonder how many will lodge the intention and in a month not go through with it because …….?

  175. C.L.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/geomythology-loch-ness-monster-and-other-folk-tales-conversation/9240878

    Geomythology – interesting subject.
    Atlantis/Santorini is pretty solid; surprised that wasn’t mentioned.

  176. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘The NT Health Department put signs up warning people not to collect or eat any fish or shellfish caught in the Katherine River.

    Good idea. The coliforms are probably thick enough to walk across.
    The PFAS “hazard” is bollocks invented by lawyers.
    Standard procedure with any large solvent organization.
    Government is the juiciest victim because it’s not their money.
    I’ve seen it so many times.

  177. struth

    Australians all let us rejoice
    For we are all fairies
    Except for those we love to hate
    The white men of hist’ry

    We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil
    Taken by the ATO
    and given to the Clintons
    or any other foreign foe

    In Anal pain, and packets plain
    It’s a Marxist led nightmare

    For those that come across the seas
    We had boundless plains to share
    But we gave them back to a very small pack
    that will not let you there

    Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
    We’ll brainwash our children
    to be the best little communists
    Chavez would think are grand

    In Anal pain, and packets plain
    It’s a Marxist led nightmare

    Our politicians are faithful types
    Patriots every one
    but finding out to which country
    is never ending fun

    In Anal pain, and packets plain
    It’s a Marxist led nightmare

  178. I wonder how many straight young men and women have been brainwashed into believing they are gay?
    The massive weight of media support for gay marriage and homosexuality must have influenced many who would not have even thought about being gay.

    In a decade’s time we will see adults reverting to straight lifestyles and cursing their former selves for being so easily influenced.

  179. struth

    Some bint on TV says that private education is “feeding a business scene” and should be banned. I switched it off.

    Who would have thunk it.
    Pushing this after the SSM yes vote.
    Just so surprising
    /sarc.

  180. Snoopy

    Is there anyone in Mueller’s team who will avoid jail time?

  181. Nick

    It’s funny watching Labor spin, what will one day become the narrative, that they bought in SSM.

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Vanished islands and ‘lost continents’

    Graham Island is my favourite. It’s not actually geomythology, more geo-geopolitics.

    When it last rose above sea level after erupting in 1831, a four-way dispute over its sovereignty began, which was still unresolved when it disappeared beneath the waves again in early 1832.

    They all named it different names: the Poms “Graham Island”, the Frogs “Île Julia”, the Sicilians “isla Ferdinandea”. The Spanish on the other hand don’t appear to gotten around to naming it before it sank.

  183. mh

    Just one example of the rampant idiocy that passes for public debate in this country. There’s a fair few on rotation.

    Thanks, Bear. It’s not always obvious on the Cat.

  184. Top Ender

    Mike, thanks for the Strauss.

    Couldn’t play it here of course. Plod would have to be present, and the pistol would have to be taken out of a locked steel box only seconds before use. Inevitably the timing would be buggered up.

  185. Nick

    Happy Wangkanarl. The three wise crows come to Warmun with xmas pressies!

    let me guess, Christmas was invented by our indigenous ? Otherwise it’s cultural appropriation eh?

  186. testpattern

    ‘Geomythology – interesting subject.’

    And – don’t forget Umpitji, Darwin’s Pleisiosaur last reported by Burge Brown in Bynoe Harbour.

  187. Zatara

    It was announced yesterday that the Clinton appointed Judge about to sentence Mike Flynn suddenly recused himself for some mysterious reason. The case was handed to Judge Rudolph Contreras, an Obama appointee.

    It’s just come out that Contreras was one of the very small group of FISA Judges, the ones who could authorize surveillance on US citizens.

    Now what if:

    It would be EXPLOSIVE if it turned out that the FISA warrants were gained by deception, misleading information, manipulated information, or fraud…. and that warrant led to the wiretapping and surveillance of General Michael Flynn was authorized by Contreras…. who would now be the judge in Flynn’s case.

    Wouldn’t that be fun?

  188. Zatara

    Oh by the way, for:

    deception, misleading information, manipulated information, or fraud

    read ‘Russian Dossier’ of misinformation paid for by Clinton and the DNC.

  189. testpattern

    The sunken islands of Timor and Arafuraland

    ‘As intervisibility would have remained continuous between Timor and Aru until at least 12 ka, the later occupation dates of Kisar and Aru could be associated with later migrations from Timor along this route. Interestingly, the molecular study by Hudjashov et al. (2007) suggests colonization of Australia along the southern route,with Aru and the Fantone Bank as their two landing points.’

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/313800922_Reconstructing_Palaeogeography_and_Inter-island_Visibility_in_the_Wallacean_Archipelago_During_the_Likely_Period_of_Sahul_Colonization_65-45_000_Years_Ago_Reconstructing_palaeogeography_and_intervisib

  190. Knuckle Dragger

    Testes at 1.05;

    ‘Squid dreaming’? ‘Fruit bat dreaming’?

    Green can dreaming, more like it. Although to be fair, the northern East Arnhem mob often prefer their choof to their cans. I also note that another two self-selected themselves out of the pool last night by speeding down a dirt track with no lights and whilst massively pissed. The poor old rangers found them and had to collect the body bits lying on the road until the local coppers got there.

    I suspect they weren’t talking about Batlantis at the time.

    NB: You’re a lot more coherent than before, Testes. What happened?

  191. testpattern

    ‘NB: You’re a lot more coherent than before’

    ur not. ur still a racist liar.

  192. testpattern

    Oh dear. Wonder if editors at the OZ are rushing to fly over and man the firehoses

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nbc-rupert-murdochs-bel-air-property-on-fire

  193. classical_hero

    Mater
    #2579900, posted on December 9, 2017 at 8:11 am

    That’s a feature not a bug. The whole SSM vote was never really about SSM, but to destroy Western civilisation and to destroy freedoms. Sadly too many voted yes because they were blind to the ultimate goal. But eventually the scam will get shown for what it is and hopefully the electorate will wake up.

  194. Mother Lode

    The Spanish on the other hand don’t appear to gotten around to naming it before it sank.

    I believe the name ‘Malvinas’ is available for a Hispanophones.

  195. Oh come on

    Moving on from Testes’s characteristically witless comment, did anyone catch the story linked by Drudge about a Christmas tree saved from a burning mansion? Really weird stuff. Was supposed to be a feel-good story but the circumstances were so strange.

    IIRC, the homeowner was being interviewed by a local network *while* his house was in flames or perhaps just before, and the TV reporter asked him ‘if you could save anything from your home, what would it be?’, the guy answered his Christmas tree as it has all the family-made decorations on it, and the firies subsequently saved the tree even though the mansion went up in smoke.

    Seriously, what kind of question is that to be asking someone when their home is either going up in flames or about to go up in flames??

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    Testes,

    Ah, there we go. You had me worried there for a while.

    Please select any part of my previous post that is inaccurate.

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Supermodel Bella Hadid joins protest against Donald Trump’s move to recognise Jerusalem
    The Sun, News Corp Australia
    December 9, 2017 10:56AM

    SUPERMODEL Bella Hadid joined a protest in London against Donald Trump’s controversial move to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    The Sun reports she marched with demonstrators for three minutes before being whisked away in her chauffeur-driven car.

    The model, who is of Palestinian and Dutch descent, attended the protest after she cut the ribbon at a TAG Heuer event on Oxford Street in central London wearing a skin tight red dress.

    The protests form part of a global response to Trump’s move as furious protesters have joined rallies across the globe after terror group Hamas called for a “day of rage” in response to the US President’s announcement

    Wow! Marching with the protesters for three minutes before being whisked away in your chauffeur driven motor! That will show the evil Trump!

  198. We have moved from a skirmish to open warfare on the other threads.

    The Battle of Trumptopia has begun.

  199. Fisky

    I find it remarkable that the so-called and vocal LDP-type ‘libertarians’ on this site have nothing whatsoever to say about the failure of the Turnbull Government to protect our fundamental freedoms.
    Thursday was a massive, massive attack on freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression and freedom of religion, and the LDP-libertarians have gone AWOL.
    What is the use of the LDP if they will not or cannot publically defend our freedoms.
    Conservatives have done and are doing a far better job of articulating what is happening.
    For the LDP-libertarians it seems to be a matter of “move along, nothing to see here”.

    The same was true when Rudd/Gillard opened the borders. “Libertarians” were completely uninterested in the reality that we were importing about 50,000 welfare clients with zero job prospects, as well as potential terrorists. Didn’t care.

  200. calli

    The Battle of Trumptopia has begun.

    Lol. Torn gymslips and broken lacrosse racquets. Easy cleanup.

    It’s the hurty feelings that bother me….

    No, wait…

  201. P

    Amid all the celebrations atm of the rainbow mob I do hope they heed this dispiriting news and warning by the Vic govt.

  202. cohenite

    Emily Lindin, a columnist at Teen Vogue, echoed the unspoken zeitgeist last week on Twitter: “I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay”.

    Seems fair. In other news Emily in her capacity as UnSlut Project founder requests an end to slut shaming.

  203. A Lurker

    This is what happens when you open the insane asylums.

  204. DrBeauGan

    A Lurker
    #2580248, posted on December 9, 2017 at 3:31 pm
    This is what happens when you open the insane asylums.

    It’s no nuttier than two blokes getting sssssssmarried.

    It is pretty nutty though.

  205. Motelier

    It’s official.

    I am a nasty troll.

    Someone one twitter old me so.

    Is there a badge I can wear?

  206. DrBeauGan

    There is a story that Thor the thunder God was disturbed from his drinking in Valhalla by a bunch of his priests calling on him to strike dead with lightning an atheist who was arguing with them. So he struck down the priests instead, because he liked people who stuck up for themselves and didn’t like creepy priests.

    I can relate to that.

  207. Boambee John

    Much disappointment following the Sham Sex Marriage debacle, but also some fighting words, particularly in some longish posts from struth. What to do?

    First, we should dismiss the idea of some form of revolution. Things are going to have to get a lot worse before enough of the population are angry enough to make that a viable option.

    We need to work on changing the political class (I will not use the word “elite”, because most of them are pretty low rent intellectually and morally).

    I understand the reasons why memory vault advocates informal voting, and sympathise with them. However, the “donkey vote” syndrome is so entrenched in Australia that such action will do little more than deprive the major parties of some AEC money, while the thoughtless will still vote for them in big enough numbers to keep them in power. They will claim their percentage shares of the primary and TPP votes as their mandates, ignoring the declining percentages of actual valid votes.

    I suggest a different approach. Vote first for any reasonable candidate (Aust Conservative, Christians/Family, possibly some Nationals, et al). Then number the less reasonable (PHON, Katter and such like). Then make the final three in the order Greens (unlikely to get up except in some inner city electorates), Liberal (ar$e h0les of the nation) and finally Liars (what goes through the ar$e h0les).

    By actually voting, but putting the two major parties at the end, the number of primary votes for “Neither of you pricks” is increased, decreasing the percentage they can claim, and reducing their moral credibility.

    The other elements of the political class (MSM, wacademia, the yartz) are harder to give a direct message. Boycotts might be the best tactic. Ignore the MSM, don’t buy newspapers, buy DVDs, don’t watch TV, stick to the web, don’t watch or listen to MSM news. Persuade your young family members of the value of trades. Sneer at the pretensions of yartists on every possible occasion, do not pay to attend their concerts, exhibitions etc.

    This is a long game, but the left fascists have taken half a century to get where they are. It might take conservatives just as long to fight back.

  208. calli

    Is there a badge I can wear?

    Ran out, on backorder. Or…for a small consideration you can get a nice customised one – crossed assegais or flensers.

    The choice is yours, sir.

  209. Rae

    I wonder how many will lodge the intention and in a month not go through with it because

    Probably none. There is a bit of competition to be the first to wed.

    I wonder how many will try to go through with it before 9 January. There is a clause in the SSM legislation that allows them to do so if they’ve booked an earlier date and can’t get their money back if they cancel.

  210. zyconoclast

    The same was true when Rudd/Gillard opened the borders. “Libertarians” were completely uninterested in the reality that we were importing about 50,000 welfare clients with zero job prospects, as well as potential terrorists. Didn’t care.

    Not quite. The reason the didn’t complain is because the supported it.

  211. Bruce of Newcastle

    I suggest a different approach. Vote first for any reasonable candidate (Aust Conservative, Christians/Family, possibly some Nationals, et al). Then number the less reasonable (PHON, Katter and such like). Then make the final three in the order Greens (unlikely to get up except in some inner city electorates), Liberal (ar$e h0les of the nation) and finally Liars (what goes through the ar$e h0les).

    They’re counting on you to do that Boambee John.
    The question is not who to vote for, it is who to not vote for.
    That is why I voted informal in the HoR and 12-and-exhaust in the Senate.

    It’s no coincidence that the Queensland ALP overturned the exhaust rule before their State election.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    Just watching the Trump Pensacola rally on Tucker Carlson.
    Trump is fighting the 2020 election already.
    The Democrats are still fighting the 2016 election.

  213. Memory Vault

    Then make the final three in the order Greens (unlikely to get up except in some inner city electorates), Liberal (ar$e h0les of the nation) and finally Liars (what goes through the ar$e h0les).

    Sorry John, but that is STILL a vote for Liberal or Labor – or possibly the Greens – depending on the seat and voter’s order. The Majors don’t care if they get in on your first or twenty-first preference vote, as long as they win the game – which is all it is to them these days.

    There is no turning things around now. We are where Argentina was in the 1940’s, and like Argentina we now have 40 to 60 years of economic and civil strife to work through, before things can start to return to something approaching sanity. In the meantime there will be poverty, suffering, and death.

  214. Then make the final three in the order Greens (unlikely to get up except in some inner city electorates), Liberal (ar$e h0les of the nation) and finally Liars (what goes through the ar$e h0les).

    Sorry John, but that is STILL a vote for Liberal or Labor – or possibly the Greens – depending on the seat and voter’s order. The Majors don’t care if they get in on your first or twenty-first preference vote, as long as they win the game – which is all it is to them these days.

    There is no turning things around now. We are where Argentina was in the 1940’s, and like Argentina we now have 40 to 60 years of economic and civil strife to work through, before things can start to return to something approaching sanity. In the meantime there will be poverty, suffering, and death.

  215. zyconoclast

    It’s no coincidence that the Queensland ALP overturned the exhaust rule before their State election.

    Its no coincidence the LNP were asleep at the wheel and allowed it to happen.
    I previously posted a couple of articles from the Brisbane times explaining how this happened.

    The LNP are either manifestly incompetent or a scripted part of this grotesque pantomime.

  216. The LNP are either manifestly incompetent or a scripted part of this grotesque pantomime.

    At a federal level, all doubt was removed with the results of the voting on the SSM amendments.
    The National Socialist Coalition (Labor + Greens + sufficient Liberals) now firmly control the H0R.

  217. Joe

    At a federal level, all doubt was removed with the results of the voting on the SSM amendments.
    The National Socialist Coalition (Labor + Greens + sufficient Liberals) now firmly control the H0R.

    Textor warned us of this betrayal. Not that he would name it a betrayal, he thought it the epitome of political theory.

  218. miltonf

    Anyone remember Remo Nogarato? Wasn’t he LP boss in NSW?

  219. Motelier

    Ran out, on backorder. Or…for a small consideration you can get a nice customised one – crossed assegais or flensers.

    Flensers please.

  220. Tel

    By actually voting, but putting the two major parties at the end, the number of primary votes for “Neither of you pricks” is increased, decreasing the percentage they can claim, and reducing their moral credibility.

    Yes I quite agree. If you vote informal they can call it “donkey vote” or pretend you are some sort of fool who cannot figure out how to fill in a simple piece of paper. All your smart arse comments and penis calligraphy will vanish and never be reported.

    Putting the major parties last does create a long term record and cannot be tossed away as accidental.

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