Open Forum: December 9, 2017

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  1. Tel

    Calls for all boys to be given the vaccine for the human papilloma virus.

    Anal cancer rates are increasing rapidly, the hpv and trying it to see if you like it, as encouraged in safe schools linked it seems.

    The two are unrelated. We have endless people on this blog and other places thumping their foreheads on the table over the issue of “herd immunity” and now there is some belated effort to make actions come into line with the headbanging… but apparently that’s also being rejected. Little wonder Australia has no meaningful leadership.

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    Throw it on the pile…….

    Sharon Westerman, former managing director of the Njamal Family Trust which administrates over $4.5 million of gold, lithium and iron ore royalties every year has been charged with stealing said monies for her own use between 2013 and 2015.

    She denies the charges, which are not part of a separate Government enquiry into Njamal royalty payments. The trust was established in 2003 to provide economic growth, education and community development for the Njamal people in the eastern Pilbara, including Marble Bar.

    Naturally enough, the ‘indigenous’ Ms Westerman lives in suburban Perth. Trial dates have been set for next year.

    I’m actually amazed that this is even reported any more. It is absolutely commonplace.

    Once again, the big people of the Trusts and Corporations hand out a massive ‘fvck you’ to people that could do with a bit of advancement while living thousands of kilometres away in their well-feathered nests.

  3. Tom

    Thanks to the Cat who posted this earlier today: Milo’s education of Blot is must-watch and definitely worth 15 minutes of your time.

  4. Geriatric Mayfly

    American Thinker nails it more succinctly than I could earlier.

    Amnesty International is yet another problem, a sanctimonious non-government organization whose mission has led to a lot of useful idiots, as its founder once admitted to me back in the 1980s in San Francisco. Originally focused on the noble mission of freeing political prisoners and ending the death penalty, it rapidly morphed into a hypocritical organization that ignored human rights violations in places such as Cuba and the Soviet Union and found infinite violations in the U.S. Naturally, Soros has been bankrolling the organization for years. Now with Amnesty International as his catspaw, Soros is using his cash to spread abortion into nations that have never known the barbaric practice, such as Ireland. The stateless statesman doesn’t think laws against foreign organizations funding political campaigns apply to him. Amnesty is failing in its mission to defend human life.

  5. Knuckle Dragger

    Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union was in June 1941, not 1942 btw.

  6. Rae

    ‘the outback’
    there is no such thing and I’ve never heard anyone even say that word.

    Has to rate as one of the funniest things I have ever heard in my lifetime.

    Goes alright with “Steakhouse”. There’s a few of those here and in the US.

  7. Rae

    My first first on a new page. Exciting.

  8. nemkat

    Milo deserves a medal for resisting the impulse to punch Andrew Bolt in the head.
    The bloke is a total mangina.

  9. areff

    Here’s a thought: could it be that Tanya Plibersek is playing fast and loose with her citizenship declaration (pdf here)?

    She appends a note from the Slovenian embassy declaring she is not now nor ever has been a Slovenian citizen. Well, Slovenia has existed as an independent entity only since 1991, so no surprise there.

    However, according to Wikipedia’s summation, citizenship is automatic if born outside Slovenia to two Slovenian parents:

    A child born in Slovenia is a Slovenian citizen if either parent is a Slovenian citizen

    Where the child is born outside Slovenia the child will be automatically Slovenian if:

    both parents are Slovenian citizens; or
    one parent is Slovenian and the other is stateless; or
    the child does not have any other citizenship.

    Perhaps I’m thick, but how does this differ in the slightest from Barnaby Joyce’s situation? He learned he had citizenship through his dad, although never having applied for it. And I imagine that, if Joyce had written to Kiwi House, and asked simply “am I New Zealand citizen?”, without mentioning patrilineage, he’d have received a similar response.

    Plibersek, by the way, told The Monthly she visited Slovenia often as a child. Did she travel on a Yugoslav passport? Did she travel on her mum’s passport? Was she treated at the immigration counter as a natural-born Slovenian?

    Seems to me a lot more clarification is required. A good opposition-research squad would be all over this. But then, what good is there about Team Turnbull?

  10. Nick

    Perhaps I’m thick, but how does this differ in the slightest from Barnaby Joyce’s situation?

    Well said Areff. There are a few others it would seem, in similar situations who have merited no comment at all. I wonder why ?

  11. Tom

    Amnesty International is yet another problem, a sanctimonious non-government organization whose mission has led to a lot of useful idiots, as its founder once admitted to me back in the 1980s in San Francisco. Originally focused on the noble mission of freeing political prisoners and ending the death penalty, it rapidly morphed into a hypocritical organization that ignored human rights violations in places such as Cuba and the Soviet Union and found infinite violations in the U.S.

    Amnesty is taken over by the left, suddenly starts campaigning for totalitarian restriction of freedom and becomes a ruling class lapdog. How could that happen?

    Simple. Over five decades since the 1960s, Marxist educators turn our best and brightest into mindless zombies abandoning intellect and barracking for infantile emotion.

    When the West’s defenders become complacent, evil’s great endumbenment effortlessly defeats reason.

  12. Shy Ted

    In the SMH:
    In tourist shops around the country, visitors are far more likely to buy a boomerang made in Bali than one made here by Indigenous Australians. What led to this booming trade in fake art – and can it be stopped?
    Dead heart: the booming trade in fake Indigenous art.

    The Bali boomerang might not come back but it will love you longtime.

  13. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2581056, posted on December 10, 2017 at 5:55 pm
    My first first on a new page. Exciting.

    My first first on a new page using my ‘other’ Rae . Exciting.

    I fixed it.
    oh, and fuck off Septimus Mac

  14. cohenite

    Nick

    #2581064, posted on December 10, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    Perhaps I’m thick, but how does this differ in the slightest from Barnaby Joyce’s situation?

    Well said Areff. There are a few others it would seem, in similar situations who have merited no comment at all. I wonder why ?

    One might as well ask why Plibber’s hubbie, with out any qualifications except a drug conviction and time served for being a drug dealer is arguably NSW’s most senior bureaucrat.

  15. calli

    Thanks, areff.

    I sense Shorten is hoping it will all go away. It won’t. He lied about the “rigorous” assessment and now it’s back to bite him.

    Playing nice with LNPs under the same cloud won’t wash.

  16. nemkat

    The liberals could be waiting for a good result in Bennelong to give them the courage to go after the Labor grifters gaming S.44.
    More likely, they’re cucking again.

  17. calli

    Hunt’s Twitter appears to have been hacked too. He claims that, anyway.

    SENIOR cabinet Minister Greg Hunt’s Twitter account has “liked” a porn tweet — just weeks after Christopher Pyne claimed his Twitter account had been “hacked” after it liked a gay porn video.

    A difference though. This one’s going to the AFP.

  18. Mother Lode

    Fuck off, Socktimus.

  19. Snoopy

    The declaration of Dr Anne Aly MP ALP is similarly less than convincing. You would think that since the Egyptian Embassy was unable to provide an actual statement of relinquishment it could at least have provided a copy of Aly’s request as receipted by the Embassy. But no.

  20. Farmer Gez

    Every good government needs a Bill Heffernan type to squeeze the likes of Tits Shorten and get the truth out.
    Edmund Blackadder. “What we need is a real bastard”.

  21. Tel

    The Bali boomerang might not come back but it will love you longtime.

    I usually just give the boomerang a toss, then go check the boogie board to see what’s turned up.

  22. Rae

    Feeney might have a problem because he seems to have mucked up or lost his paperwork. The other 3, if referred to the High Court, are likely to be ok as they applied/renounced well before nominating and well before the ensuing election. They can point to the UK Foreign Office delay in issuing the confirmation letters.

  23. egg_

    Greg Hunt’s Twitter account has “liked” a porn tweet

    Cunning stunt.

  24. Snoopy

    Dr Anne Aly certainly appears to have touching faith in the efficiency of the Egyptian civil service. Nominations closed on the 9 June 2016 and she lodged (apparently) her request for approval to adopt Australian citizenship and relinquish Egyptian citizenship on 4 May 2016.

  25. Nick

    Snoopy,all it would take is for a journalist to ask a few questions. Anyone ? Anyone ?

  26. zyconoclast

    notafan
    #2580866, posted on December 10, 2017 at 12:48 pm
    I’m all for Frydenberg to be given a pass.

    You might argue a free pass based on humanitarian considerations.
    But the energy policy he is spruiking shows no humanitarian consideration to the Australian taxpayer. He is of no use to us.
    Send him to the HC.
    Friedeggburger can take Darstarly and Ann Aly with him and all the other potentially illegals.

  27. Snoopy

    Nomination forms
    Nomination forms are available from the AEC and must contain the following information:

    full name, place of residence, occupation and contact number;
    for endorsed candidates – verification of their endorsement by the registered officer of the party, and an indication of whether the party’s full name or abbreviation is to be printed adjacent to the candidate’s name and whether the party’s registered logo is to be included on the ballot paper;
    for unendorsed candidates – nomination by 100 electors of the relevant division, and an indication whether the word ‘Independent’ is to be printed adjacent to the candidate’s name; and
    a declaration by the candidate that they are:
    constitutionally and legally qualified to be elected;

    have not nominated for another election to be held on the same day; and
    are prepared to act if elected.

  28. stackja

    Dangerous stretch on Punt Rd, South Yarra to get fixed after crashes
    IAN ROYALL, Herald Sun
    December 10, 2017 4:17pm
    Subscriber only
    THE slippery slope of Punt Rd where seven cars have crashed into front fences during the past year will be fixed.

    VicRoads will resurface an uphill section of the road between Alexandra Avenue and Domain Rd, South Yarra, next month.

    The decision comes after the Herald Sun revealed last month that cars had been smashing the fences of four homes during wet weather.

  29. Snoopy

    Offences during the election period

    Criminal Code Act 1995

    Part 7.4 Knowingly making a false or misleading statement in any claim for enrolment, or in any declaration, application or return

    12 months imprisonment

  30. stackja

    Snoopy
    #2581088, posted on December 10, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    What sanction do they face?
    Sam Mata Hari is setting the standard.

  31. areff

    There is also, I reckon, some eyebrow-raising material in Anne Aly’s declaration (pdf here)

    She says she renounced her Egyptian citizenship on May 4, 2016.

    However the appended letter from the Egyptian embassy says only she “has applied for obtaining Australian Nationality and relinquish her Egyptian Nationality”.

    “Applied” is not a synonym for “obtained”

    Article 28 of the Egyptian citizenship code says no change in citizenship is official until gazetted by the Egyptian minister of the Interior.

    The only documentary evidence she provides is the semi-literate note from the Egyptian Embassy about “applying”. Nothing from the minister OK-ing it.

    Chronology: Aly applies to rid herself of Egyptianness on May 4.
    Election called May 8.
    Writs issued May 16.
    Candidate nominations close June 9
    Election July 2.

    Not engage in stereotypes, but is it reasonable to assume that some Third World bureaucrat with a horse tail fly whisk and jowly countence slumbering beneath a fez moved her case from application to resolution in just a few days more than a month?

    My experience is that the only thing likely to move quickly in North Africa is your bowels.

  32. Snoopy

    How is that activists can use the courts to block lawful multi-billion dollar mining developments but a voter can’t apply to the courts to punt an MP who is clearly in breach of the Constitution?

  33. JC

    Fuuuck

    Don Jr is even better than his dad at escalation.

    Child molester, George Takei tried to have a go at him by referencing some leftwing bullshit site suggesting more wussiagate. It’s bullshit.

    Here’s Takei on Twitter.

    George Takei


    @GeorgeTakei

    Uh-oh, Donnie. http://qklnk.co/h3HJY3
    2:33 AM – Dec 9, 2017
    Newly Discovered E-mails Shed Light on Don Jr Russia Meeting

    Don Jr does not recall.

    Jr replies.

    Donald Trump Jr.

    @DonaldJTrumpJr

    Wrong again Georgie… I guess you have a bit more free time to read #fakenews now that it’s a bit tougher to ply kids with alcohol to assault them??? You know with all the added scrutiny. https://twitter.com/georgetakei/status/939156104763838465

    http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/12/10/don-jr-sets-phasers-to-wrecked-blasts-george-takei/#sthash.kg433C6j.dpbs

  34. areff

    whoops! Typo: Aticle 28 should be article 29 for the benefit of anyone following the above link.

  35. Baldrick

    Hunt’s Twitter appears to have been hacked too. He claims that, anyway.
    A difference though. This one’s going to the AFP.

    Hmmm … the Health Minister wants his investigated, but the Minister for Defence Industry Chrissy Phayne does not.
    Go figure.

  36. P

    Musomagic Outback Tracks S1 Ep1 – Kimberley NITV

    Can’t imagine Jack Davey or Gelignite Jack Murray in my teen years using ‘outback’ during those wonderful Redex trials, later perhaps Ampol. Those trials covered much of Australia. Plenty of bush. No ‘outack’, not on the radio or newsreels or newspapers and later TV of the 50s.

  37. Oh come on

    E.Coli Of The Seas

    Torpedo that revolting shitbox! It needs to be sent to the bottom, along with all the bogans who enthuse over it.

  38. areff
    #2581094, posted on December 10, 2017 at 7:01 pm
    There is also, I reckon, some eyebrow-raising material in Anne Aly’s declaration

    As is the case with all politicians.
    They have proved they cannot be trusted to tell the truth or investigate their own background.
    Shorten and Turnbull cannot be trusted to deliver their own people to the High Court.

    Therefore, the Governor General must step in, prorogue Parliament, and commence an independent investigation into EVERY Senator and member of the Reps.

  39. egg_

    P
    #2581102, posted on December 10, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    Pedantry worthy of the Grigbot.

  40. zyconoclast

    Who else remembers the QWERTY brigade saying Safe Marriage had nothing to do with Safe Schools?

    Roz Ward & MP Tim Wilson confirm Safe Schools and SSM are LINKED

  41. calli

    The GG won’t do that areff.

    Not with the Ghost of Whitlams Past dogging his steps.

  42. Baldrick

    No ‘outack’, not on the radio or newsreels or newspapers and later TV of the 50s.

    Mmmyes, despite the first known use of the word ‘outback’ was in 1893, but do go on.

  43. Baldrick

    Pedantry worthy of the Grigbot.

    I’ll just leave this here:

    P
    #2402734, posted on June 5, 2017 at 8:54 pm
    I do not think for a minute that Libby Zee is in any way related to Grigory M.

  44. Geriatric Mayfly

    There might still be a spare corner in the stocking for Santa to drop this by. The Hasselblad X1D-50C digital camera, a steal at $12,000 Body Only To top up with a lens can mean another outlay of between 5 to 8,000 dollars. There you go BoN after that small grizzle last week, that your current camera doesn’t do justice to your avian friends.

  45. zyconoclast

    Muslims, queers, and furries all share the experience of having been marginalized by the mainstream, and of being continually forced to justify their existence. But just as public opinion on LGBTQ folks has softened over the last few years, furries seem to be enjoying a break as well.

    If they are using a real goat it’s not a furry.

  46. Snoopy

    If they are using a real goat it’s not a furry.

    Pedantry worthy of the Grigbot. 🙂

  47. P

    I’ll just leave this here:
    P
    #2402734, posted on June 5, 2017 at 8:54 pm
    I do not think for a minute that Libby Zee is in any way related to Grigory M.

    I have not changed my mind regarding my above statement.

  48. egg_

    “The concept of ‘back’ country, which initially meant land beyond the settled regions, was in existence in 1800. Crossing of the Blue Mountains and other exploration of the inland however gave a different dimension to the perception. The term “outback” was first used in print in 1869, when the writer clearly meant west of Wagga Wagga, New South Wales.”

  49. Geriatric Mayfly

    E.Coli Of The Seas.

    Is that one and the same as Clappy McClapface?

  50. egg_

    E.Coli Of The Seas.

    Is that one and the same as Clappy McClapface?

    I was thinking of Farty McFartface.

  51. Roger

    Roz Ward & MP Tim Wilson confirm Safe Schools and SSM are LINKED

    At least they’re honest, unlike George Brandis.

  52. stackja

    Flynn of the Inland. Lonely heart of Australia. Never Never.

  53. areff

    The GG won’t do that

    He should. Any legislation passed by ineligible members is going to be challenged in the courts.

    Hang on, does that mean the rainbow-hued Marriage Act might be null and void?

  54. Mater

    Calls for all boys to be given the vaccine for the human papilloma virus.
    Anal cancer rates are increasing rapidly, the hpv and trying it to see if you like it, as encouraged in safe schools linked it seems.

    John,
    HPV is causing a rapid increase in throat cancer in straight males, around the age of 30-40. An odious cancer (aren’t they all) which is very unlikely to be detected until it spreads. It’s incidence has really picked up in the last 5-10 years – especially in the western nations.
    The HPV spreads through a certain type of sexual contact, but it’s not that which is synonymous with homosexuality. I’ll let people’s imaginations fill in the blanks.

  55. Geriatric Mayfly

    Calls for all boys to be given the vaccine for the human papilloma virus.
    Anal cancer rates are increasing rapidly, the hpv and trying it to see if you like it, as encouraged in safe schools linked it seems.

    Aint Nature grand? She will not be mocked. Or is this the hand of the Great Architect at work?

  56. Roger

    He should. Any legislation passed by ineligible members is going to be challenged in the courts.

    No doubt the G-G feels compelled to act on the advice he is given.

    He may yet live to regret that.

  57. Infidel Tiger

    Cosgrove should be sacked.

  58. Nick

    Prevalent in the Greek community, Mater ?

  59. Infidel Tiger

    The HPV spreads through a certain type of sexual contact, but it’s not that which is synonymous with homosexuality. I’ll let people’s imaginations fill in the blanks

    “Sorry, babe. I don’t want cancer”

  60. Geriatric Mayfly

    Krispy Kreme beer is coming soon
    FOOD & DRINK just in
    Fox News

    I shall say no more.

  61. Mater

    Prevalent in the Greek community, Mater ?

    More likely the French, Nick.

  62. old bloke

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2581115, posted on December 10, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    There might still be a spare corner in the stocking for Santa to drop this by. The Hasselblad X1D-50C digital camera, a steal at $12,000 Body Only To top up with a lens can mean another outlay of between 5 to 8,000 dollars.

    Hasselblad are nice cameras, but if you indulge in large format photography, a Bronica is much less expensive, and has better lenses.

  63. Makka

    Cosgrove should be sacked.

    Immediately.

    I don’t care how Frydenberg’s family arrived in Australia. Good luck to them if they escaped the horrors of the nazis and Commo Hungary.

    However, Frydenberg is a lawyer who knows the rules of becoming and MP. He should be, along with all such foreigners, immediately removed from office. I don’t give a fk who they are. No, he doesn’t deserve any kind of pass. What he must do is comply with legislation or be tossed out on his arse.

  64. Snoopy

    He should. Any legislation passed by ineligible members is going to be challenged in the courts.

    Is there a court in the land that’s going to pick that scab?

  65. cohenite

    zyconoclast

    #2581108, posted on December 10, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    Who else remembers the QWERTY brigade saying Safe Marriage had nothing to do with Safe Schools?

    Roz Ward & MP Tim Wilson confirm Safe Schools and SSM are LINKED

    Had some dealings with Wilson back in the early days of gerbil warming. I’m slightly surprised he’s turned into an arsehole.

  66. Nick

    Thanks Mater, missed he throat bit, lol.

  67. Leigh Lowe

    Aint Nature grand? She will not be mocked. Or is this the hand of the Great Architect at work?

    Oh my God! God is homophobic? Let’s burn down one of his fucking churches!

  68. H B Bear

    No doubt the G-G feels compelled to act on the advice he is given.
    He may yet live to regret that.

    Of course he does. If anyone gets shitcanned over this it won’t be the GG but the liars and moral pygmies that inhabit both Houses. The Speaker and the President should be the ones under examination.

    Also where did this seeming convention come from that parties can only refer their own members to the High Court? Given the s44 self-regulation mechanism is working so ineffectively anyone should be able to a member to the High Court. There are adequate mechanisms through cost orders to deal with potential abuse of the process.

  69. cohenite

    John,
    HPV is causing a rapid increase in throat cancer in straight males, around the age of 30-40. An odious cancer (aren’t they all) which is very unlikely to be detected until it spreads. It’s incidence has really picked up in the last 5-10 years – especially in the western nations.
    The HPV spreads through a certain type of sexual contact, but it’s not that which is synonymous with homosexuality. I’ll let people’s imaginations fill in the blanks.

    Muff diving, minge nibbling, carpet-munching, kissing the wookie, lickety slit.

  70. Infidel Tiger

    Had some dealings with Wilson back in the early days of gerbil warming. I’m slightly surprised he’s turned into an arsehole.

    The curse of homosexuality isn’t that you walk with a limp, it is that it consumes them. Every aspect of their being becomes being a homosexual. It’s a dreadful way to live.

    We need to encourage homosexuals to try and leave that part of their life to discos and the bedroom.

    Perhaps the government could arrange for some of those community service ads to help them?

  71. H B Bear

    Had some dealings with Wilson back in the early days of gerbil warming. I’m slightly surprised he’s turned into an arsehole.

    I’m not sure he has turned into an arsehole, just thinking with it.

  72. calli

    I’m slightly surprised he’s turned into an arsehole.

    Power tends to do that.

  73. Roger

    The Speaker and the President should be the ones under examination. Also where did this seeming convention come from that parties can only refer their own members to the High Court?

    No such convention, really; it comes down to the numbers. Not sure of the precise machinations, but I agree the Speaker and President should have taken the initiative given they are ultimately responsible for the administration & integrity of their respective chambers.

  74. Gab

    Power tends to do that.

    I quite believe it actually depends on the personality. Can’t just blame power alone, instead it’s how people respond to it. Once an a-hole, always an a-hole, with or without power.

  75. calli

    Power is the catalyst. Sometimes one way, more often the other. Such is human nature.

  76. Fisky

    Superb hashtag!

    #mybordersmychoice

  77. Leigh Lowe

    A child born in Slovenia is a Slovenian citizen if either parent is a Slovenian citizen

    Other nations in the Balkans are fond of making jokes about Slovenia, usually about its tiny size and the stupidity of its inhabitants.
    (1) They are adding Slovenia to the F1 GP circuit. The track goes around the border.
    (2) The EU is funding some improvements to Slovenia. They are getting it carpeted.
    (3) The universal response to any public act of stupidity … “Is OK. He’s from Slovenia.”

  78. Boambee John

    Mater at 1940

    I’ll let people’s imaginations fill in the blanks.

    Actually, I think that Michael Douglas filled in the details a while ago, when discussing his throat cancer.

  79. W Hogg

    However, Frydenberg is a lawyer who knows the rules of becoming and MP. He should be, along with all such foreigners, immediately removed from office. I don’t give a fk who they are.

    Mrs Friedeggburger was stateless and never claimed Hungarian citizenship. While she can, it’s hard to see how he has inherited anything.

  80. Gab

    It can be a catalyst for some who are predisposed, but not all are like that.

  81. egg_

    “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

    Lord Acton

  82. Roger

    ABC TV News gives Bob Carr a free kick to denounce “China panic” without mentioning his professional interest in boosting Australian-Chinese relations via UTS.

  83. Mater

    Actually, I think that Michael Douglas filled in the details a while ago, when discussing his throat cancer.

    It certainly was an original comeback at an ex wife. 😉

    “You gave me Cancer!”

  84. egg_

    “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” The famous quote by Lord Acton can be seen in Orwell’s Brave New World and Huxley’s 1984.

  85. Leigh Lowe

    The Speaker and the President should be the ones under examination. Also where did this seeming convention come from that parties can only refer their own members to the High Court?

    It is based on the legal principle of clausa tabernam.
    From the Latin … the literal translation is “closed shop” and it dates back to 2016.
    It is fucking bullshit.
    Political parties have no intrinsic right to subvert the Constitution. Anyone can petition the High Court (as the Court of Disputed Returns) and challenge the right of an MP to sit. The first of these cases was triggered by a Joe Bloggs from Perth IIRC.

  86. Makka

    While she can, it’s hard to see how he has inherited anything.

    Then he could be in the clear. If however he has dual citizenship, claimed or not, he should go. Immediately.

  87. nemkat

    John Cameron.
    He questioned Ludlam’s and Hinch’s right to sit. He has said that anyone taking on pols in the High Court, would need deep pockets, as an adverse Costs Order would ruin him.

  88. Ha! For the wombats trying to devalue the empirical facts but clutching at the term outback, firstly read the use of the term in context, and then, as was common parlance once, come in spinner.

  89. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #2581134, posted on December 10, 2017 at 7:46 pm
    Cosgrove should be sacked.

    Hyperbowl!

  90. Meanwhile, feather foot is looking for pricks like tp. Pretenders are always on the list

  91. stackja

    “Ladies and gentleman (applause and cheering), well may we say God Save the Queen (pause) because nothing will save the Governor-General…

  92. classical_hero

    GM, there’s a quote that goes like this.

    God will always forgive if you ask. Man will sometimes forgive, but nature never forgives.

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Meanwhile, feather foot is looking for pricks like tp. Pretenders are always on the list

    Snork!

  94. classical_hero

    I remember JC complaining about Trump’s statements made during the campaign. Most of what he said was worst case scenario sort of stuff, so when negotiations happened it would seem you have gained lots of concessions, whereas the President got all he wanted.

  95. zyconoclast

    areff
    #2581094, posted on December 10, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    Not engage in stereotypes, but is it reasonable to assume that some Third World bureaucrat with a horse tail fly whisk and jowly countence slumbering beneath a fez moved her case from application to resolution in just a few days more than a month?

    My experience is that the only thing likely to move quickly in North Africa is your bowels.

    I think we have the internets winner!

  96. vr

    Other nations in the Balkans are fond of making jokes about Slovenia, usually about its tiny size and the stupidity of its inhabitants.

    One redeeming aspect of Slovenia — they seem to make some good wine.

  97. Leigh Lowe

    The curse of homosexuality isn’t that you walk with a limp, it is that it consumes them. Every aspect of their being becomes being a homosexual. It’s a dreadful way to live.

    This is not a universal observation, but a lot of gay men have a massively overinflated view of their innate talents in the finer things of life. I can’t count the number of times I have heard the phrase “As a gay man, of course, I am so fucking effortlessly great (at XXXXXX)”.
    And the number of gay men who claim to have an “eclectic style” when it comes to decor … which is a vomit inducing hotch-potch of animal prints, cornea melting bright colours and assorted mismatched furniture. The result looks like a collision between a circus carnival van, an op-shop and a Dulux test lab.
    Many years ago I heard a gay designer interviewed on ABC radio and he was asked if great design was a product of being gay. He replied “God no! Seriously, gay people do not have an inbuilt design and taste gene but sadly, many of them think they do and inflict themselves on the world. Oh my God! I couldn’t tell you the number of gay men who have approached me for work in my design company solely on the basis that they are gay and their friends and their mum love their decor. I tell them to get some real qualifications and experience.”
    Silence ensued from ABC interviewer and discussion terminated shortly thereafter.

  98. Top Ender

    Happened across George MacDonald Fraser’s essay on political correctness, which I’d read several years ago.

    I think it’s been discussed here before, as has GMF, but here’s the link for anyone who hasn’t read it – well worth 10 minutes of your time.

  99. zyconoclast

    I’m slightly surprised he’s turned into an @rsehole.

    I’m not. They nearly all turn into @rse holes.
    Long, hard and often.

  100. John Constantine

    Now yarragrad has set police attendance fees at fifty grand a turn out, when will a lefty godless commo pack of soros funded street thugs get billed?.

    Their Andrews government using police State powers to dictate who gets a public voice, and who is crushed into silence.

    Comrades.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    One redeeming aspect of Slovenia — they seem to make some good wine.

    Indeed.
    The Croatian fellow who told me the Slovenian jokes was at great pains to point out that it was largely good natured ribbing.
    In that spirit I gave him my very best Tasmanian and South Australian jokes which I thought could be largely interchangeable.
    In conclusion I said … “You know how you said that Slovenian jokes are just friendly exchanges? Well, those jokes we make about Tasmania and South Australia … they’re not like that. We really, REALLY, fucking hate them.”
    Him : (long pause) “Soooo … they are like Bosnians to you?”

  102. zyconoclast

    Mrs Friedeggburger was stateless and never claimed Hungarian citizenship. While she can, it’s hard to see how he has inherited anything.

    Take it to the high court and let them decide.
    See if the, ” My mum ate my paperwork” line succeeds.

    Last time the “It was mum’s fault” excuse was tried it failed.

    Warne admits he took earlier tablet

    February 26 2003
    By Guy Hand

    Shane Warne admitted last night that the banned diuretic tablet that earned him a 12-month ban was not the first he had taken.

    Warne said he had taken another fluid tablet, given to him by his mother Brigitte in early December, before his shoulder injury and more than a month before taking the banned diuretic that threatens to end his career.

  103. Stimpson J. Cat

    Mrs Friedeggburger was stateless and never claimed Hungarian citizenship. While she can, it’s hard to see how he has inherited anything.

    Victimhood if he thinks ignorance is an excuse.

  104. Kim Howard

    AGL has declared the Liddell Coal Power station with its announcement .

    This little coal fired power station is hidden in the Hunter Valley .

    Given the rural property values are lets say $1 million dollars an acre and Liddell can only be on 100 or 200 acres , why can`t Jonovian`s and other like bloggers crowd fund a buy out .
    The land value is the land value , the infrastructure is apparently toxic dirty and needs to go ,so its just land value and their greenie toxic waste spin ,lets use that against them and do this crowd funding thing , buy the place update it and smash the greenies .

  105. Geriatric Mayfly

    And the number of gay men who claim to have an “eclectic style” when it comes to decor …

    Wasn’t Sheridan, the adored progeny of Mrs Bouquet, good at curtains?

  106. calli

    No, that was Tarquin, his special friend..

  107. Bruce of Newcastle

    GM – That camera looks a trifle too heavy to use one handed. Also slightly expensive. 😀

  108. Leigh Lowe

    Wasn’t Sheridan, the adored progeny of Mrs Bouquet, good at curtains?

    Mmmyes.
    My point exactly.
    It would be easier to find a living pterodactyl than a gay man who says “I really don’t know what colour to paint the bath-house. Perhaps I’ll call Shayna.”

  109. Siltstone

    Damienski
    #2580891, posted on December 10, 2017 at 1:23 pm
    In addition to our mutual loathing of Prime Minister Turnbull, it appears that His Doomlordship and I share a common birthday.

    Damienski, unfortunately, far from loathing, the Doomlord is fulsomely on record as repeatedly boosting Turnbull as a Potentially Great Prime Minister (TM).

  110. Nick

    How come Fairfax are going hard over Shanghai Sam, but little else ?

  111. entropy

    Nick, I believe Shanghai Sam is right faction, therefore almost as big an enemy to the typical fairfax denizen as a liberal party member.

  112. candy

    How come Fairfax are going hard over Shanghai Sam, but little else ?

    Because this is the issue that will improve Newspoll for Malcolm Turnbull.
    MT is the darling of Fairfax, their buddy, they believe in him and his Green credentials. As well, they accepted a lot of leaks from him and J.Bishop to destroy the hated Abbott. For Fairfax, and particularly Kenny and Hartcher, he must succeed, so they seek to destroy Sam D. on Malcolm’s behalf.

    to me, it’s simple. Fairfax and ABC love Malcolm Turnbull. It’s not the LNP, it’s Malcolm. I’ve mentioned it before, he’s Greenish, stylish and erudite, urbane, progressive. Birds of a feather.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    If the surviving Friedeggburgers got out of Budapest prior to the Ruskies taking over they can thank their lucky six pointed stars.

  114. Infidel Tiger

    Looks like Plibersek is going after the Persian and by proxy Shorten.

    Nice.

  115. Steve trickler.

    The launch of Apollo 11, captured on film at 500 frames per second. And slowed down to make 30 seconds of real time, now blow out to eight minutes, with incredible detail to boot.

    Even in slow motion, some it looks like it is in real time.



  116. nemkat

    Looks like Plibersek is going after the Persian and by proxy Shorten.

    With the side effect of stymieing Kennelly in Bennelong, perhaps?
    Devious,but still nice.

  117. candy

    Looks like Plibersek is going after the Persian and by proxy Shorten.
    Nice.

    I don’t see that. The time she or Albanese would go after Shorten would be when the polls take a dive, not while riding high.

    I see the hand of Fairfax in this, to boost Malcolm Turnbull. And it would not surprise me if Peter Dutton is involved as well. He is spreading some clearly racist, anti-Chinese stories right now. In fact, he’s a callous man and does the dirty work for MT.

  118. nemkat

    The ALP is riding high in the polls due to Turnbull, not Shorten.
    Therefore, the time to bring Shorten down is now, while they’ve still got Turnbull going for them.

  119. Bron

    Who knew that Dastari went out to the garden to brief his Chinese handler? Only ASIO.

    So the cascade of damaging leaks originated with ASIO and has been further spread by senior politicians briefed by ASIO.

  120. marcus classis

    zyconoclast

    #2581108, posted on December 10, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    Who else remembers the QWERTY brigade saying Safe Marriage had nothing to do with Safe Schools?

    Roz Ward & MP Tim Wilson confirm Safe Schools and SSM are LINKED

    And how we were howled down when we said that!

    Safe Schools is deliberate grooming of children for homosexual leftists and peddo-files. At taxpayer expense, of course. Gerard Henderson long ago documented the left’s perverted love affair with rockspiders.

  121. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger
    #2581220, posted on December 10, 2017 at 9:55 pm
    Looks like Plibersek is going after the Persian and by proxy Shorten.

    Yeah, real nice.
    The ALP doing Trumble’s job in their own time.
    The way Team Trumble tactics should have run last week …
    Call on the SSM vote at 10:01 Monday.
    The ALP/Greens are going to sob that they all want to have their say.
    Response: “Politicians have been talking long enough. We need to … “get this done” … anyone who wants their sentiments read into Hansard can do so at a special sitting this Saturday
    Do the vote.
    Kick the shit out of Shorten over the Persian Dwarf non-stop.
    Threaten a Royal Commission into National Security.
    Tuesday. Pay lip service to white ribbon day then put Pieman in the spin dryer again.
    Wednesday. Rinse and repeat.
    Thursday. Crucifixion.
    .
    .
    What actually happened …
    SSM.
    Wilson proposal.
    SSM.
    Wall-to-wall white ribbon.
    More SSM.
    SSM to the Max and rainbow ribbons.
    .
    .
    Why did it have to be so?
    Because the objective of Team Trumble last week was “get Abbott” rather than “Get Shorty”.
    Ask me again why I won’t be voting for these xunts.

  122. Diogenes

    stateless and never claimed Hungarian citizenship.

    True at the time she came to Austealia. But a little law change in Hungary in 1993 restored her citizenship whether she wanted it or not, and therefore young Joshie is Hungarian as well.

  123. Rae

    Who knew that Dastari went out to the garden to brief his Chinese handler? Only ASIO.

    So the cascade of damaging leaks originated with ASIO and has been further spread by senior politicians briefed by ASIO.

    It’s a PM & C distraction squirrel. It has Turnbulls fingerprints all over it.

  124. Knuckle Dragger

    When necessary, I found it extremely rewarding to surreptitiously attend the front door of a local offender’s residence (won’t call it a ‘house’) in the dead of night. This would be in the town camps outside Tennant Creek, or further afield if appropriate.

    A light dusting of previously obtained chook feathers around the front door would then occur, and the following morning said miscreant would see the feathers and realise he had fallen foul of featherfoot. Without fail, the villain would have scarpered to Alice, Katherine or Mt ISA the following day – depending on which Greyhound left first. Community order restored and job done with no paperwork.

    Featherfoot – the Slenderman of communities everywhere……

  125. classical_hero

    I remember the parody lifestyle show on Sex Before Soccer where one of the female hosts was redecorating her place and she got a gay friend come over to help. She also said if he blabs on you, just say you slept with him.

  126. Oh come on

    What ‘draining the swamp’ looks like:

    U.S. Diplomat’s Resignation Signals Wider Exodus From State Department

    I have deep respect for the career Foreign and Civil Service staff who, despite the stinging disrespect this Administration has shown our profession, continue the struggle to keep our foreign policy on the positive trajectory necessary to avert global disaster in increasingly dangerous times,” Shackelford wrote in her Nov. 7 letter…

    “With each passing day, however, this task grows more futile, driving the Department’s experienced and talented staff away in ever greater numbers,” she wrote.

    Her former colleagues said her departure — and the sentiments expressed in her letter — reflect a wider exodus of midcareer diplomats who have lost confidence in Tillerson’s management and the Trump administration’s approach toward diplomacy.

    “She’s emblematic of what we’re losing across the board,” said one of Shackelford’s former State Department colleagues. “She is the best among us. We should not be losing the best among us. And that should concern people that we are,” the former colleague said.

    No, it doesn’t concern anyone outside the Beltway. No one else gives a shit about these parasites pulling out and dropping off the host.

  127. notafan

    Locals in the background, apparently the new accommodation isn’t as dangerous as claimed

    JC your mate is still posting selfies #notdeadyet

  128. Oh come on

    JC are you still buying a NY apartment? How much do they cost? The rents sound crazy over there.

  129. notafan

    Diogenes,.

    Isn’t that the 64 thousand dollar question?

    No one has actually said that they are certain that because Mrs Frydenburg senior has an unclaimed entitlement to Hungarian citizenship ( which she would have to be able to prove to the satisfaction of the Hungarian government) that Josh automatically has one as her descendant, have they?

  130. Oh come on

    Nota, you could put these people up in the Four Seasons and they’d complain that the thread count on their sheets was too low. And of course, the reffo mob in Australia would be howling about this appalling contravention of their human right to humane manchester.

  131. classical_hero

    For some reason nota’s link isn’t directing to the article, so here is another critique of the “study”. https://mobile.the-scientist.com/article/51120/putative-gay-genes-identified-questioned

    Many researchers expressed skepticism about the results. “This study is way, way, way too small to draw any meaningful conclusion,” Jeffrey Barrett of the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute says in a statement for Science Media Centre (SMC). “None of their findings meets the accepted thresholds for statistical significance in a genome-wide association study (which is why it is published in Scientific Reports). The comments about SLITRK6 and TSHR are utter speculation, and don’t belong anywhere near a modern genetic study—we had decades of such claims that never held up because they didn’t meet statistical significance.”

  132. Andreas

    But a little law change in Hungary in 1993 restored her citizenship whether she wanted it or not, and therefore young Joshie is Hungarian as well.

    Did it? Because the 1993 legislation says this:

    (4) This Act has no retroactive effect. The legal rules which were in force at the time of the occurrence of the facts or events affecting citizenship shall apply to Hungarian citizenship.

    And the Hungarian embassy website says:

    As citizenship laws don’t have retroactive effect (except in some very special cases), one always have to refer to the law which was in force at the date of his/her birth.

  133. notafan

    My reading is that the 1993 law would allow Frydenburg’s Mum to apply to be ‘naturalised’ but the only way Frydenburg could even apply is if he spoke Hungarian.

  134. Leigh Lowe

    Oh come on

    #2581239, posted on December 10, 2017 at 10:44 pm

    What ‘draining the swamp’ looks like:

    Shorter version :-
    “I am totally unprofessional.
    I have no ability to dispassionately implement policies directed by elected representatives and voted on by the electorate.
    I hate democracy.
    I am a totalitarian elitist xunt.”

  135. Leigh Lowe

    Who knew that Dastari went out to the garden to brief his Chinese handler?

    How did Mr Huang find Sam among all the other garden gnomes?

  136. notafan

    They have a very queer sense of entitlement.

    As each new claim fails to eventuate another is invented.

    Apparently they can’t clean up after themselves because they are all so suicidal the Australian government can’t give them cleaning materials.

    I’m sure they all used Palmolive and Pinoclean at home, too.

    They could make do with soap and hot water, I’m sure.

  137. Zatara

    Her former colleagues said her departure — and the sentiments expressed in her letter — reflect a wider exodus of midcareer diplomats who have lost confidence in Tillerson’s management and the Trump administration’s approach toward diplomacy.

    Mid-career? Those would largely be the ones who have been there 8 years or so.

    These are the people who Obama so massively polluted all of the federal agencies with. The ones he installed and promoted in the DoJ, FBI, State, EPA, military, etc. based on their fealty to his agenda(s). The true believers who put progressive ideology before honour and integrity.

    Good riddance.

  138. Andreas

    My reading is that the 1993 law would allow Frydenburg’s Mum to apply to be ‘naturalised’ but the only way Frydenburg could even apply is if he spoke Hungarian.

    That’s my reading as well, and I think Frydenberg will be in the same position as Canavan:

    Given the potential for Italian citizenship by descent to extend
    indefinitely – generation after generation – into the public life of an adopted
    home, one can readily accept that the reasonable view of Italian law is that it
    requires the taking of the positive steps referred to in the joint report as
    conditions precedent to citizenship.

    So the High Court found Canavan was not a citizen because you had to go through a process to acquire Italian citizenship – it seems the same with Hungarian law.

  139. Oh come on

    They’ll find work in 3rd world crap holes, pushing pens for various NGOs and the UN, living the life of Riley in large complexes with maids and drivers and security guards, never leaving their orbits that consist of work and the western cafes, restaurants, 5 star hotels and shops frequented by the expat set.

    They’ll do all right. The US taxpayer will be happy to not have to pay for them anymore. The EU taxpayer, maybe not so much.

  140. Mike of Marion

    Steve trickler @ 10.02 PM

    At the 10s marrk of this clip you can see Shuttle STS 129 ignite the main engines, fallback a little and the the boosters lift if off the ramp.

    There is along version clip with a good slo-mo at ignition and you’d almost believe that when the boosters ignite, the force compresses the shuttle a fraction.

  141. will

    In the future, children will not know what snow is.

    In the future, children will not know what Christmas markets without armed guards is.

  142. Baldrick

    You can’t have a freak show without some freaks:

    PatriciaKarvelas ✔ @PatsKarvelas
    Tim Wilson tells me he has now invited the PM to his wedding

  143. W Hogg

    People seem to think I’m arguing that Josh didn’t know he’s a dual citizen. I’m not. His mum has an entitlement to Hungarian citizenship She has not chosen to exercise it, therefore he cannot have an entitlement by descent. This isn’t the Shane Worn excuse or the Joooo excuse or the ignorance excuse. There is no s44 issue, and no one is credibly alleging there is. The HCA does not kick people out based on them not proving that they AREN’T dual citizens. They haven’t yet reversed the onus is proof. There must be a case to answer. No one has made that case.

  144. Fisky

    Sweden’s libertarian immigration policies leading to massive wave of anti-semitism –

    Avi Mayer‏Verified account @AviMayer

    A stunning 79% of Jews in Sweden say they avoid identifying openly as Jews occasionally, frequently, or all the time – more than in any other country surveyed by the EU in 2013. (http://bit.ly/1Pku2JR )

  145. Fisky

    Sweden’s libertarian immigration policies leading to massive wave of anti-semitism –

    Avi Mayer‏Verified account @AviMayer

    A stunning 79% of J3ws in Sweden say they avoid identifying openly as J3ws occasionally, frequently, or all the time – more than in any other country surveyed by the EU in 2013. (http://bit.ly/1Pku2JR )

  146. johanna

    The Swedish political class doesn’t give a damn, Fisk, as they keep importing people like these:

    A group of around 20 masked men hurled firebombs at a Gothenburg synagogue Saturday night, hours after an anti-Israel march in Sweden’s second largest city.

    Chairman of the local Jewish Assembly Allan Stutzinsky reported that around 30 young people were attending a party at the synagogue during the attack, and fled to the basement for safety until police arrived.

    “There were dozens of masked people throwing burning objects into the courtyard,” he told local media, adding that rain that night helped prevent the building from catching fire.

    Tonight,Jewish teenagers hide in the basement of the Gothenburg synagogue after firebombs are thrown at the building.I ask you FM @margotwallstrom & PM Löfven – why will you not protect us Jews?Why do you align yourself with those who want us dead?Why are we not worth protecting?

    I think it is safe to assure that the guys in that mob throwing firebombs were not named Lars and Olaf and Sven.

  147. johanna

    johanna
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #2581297, posted on December 11, 2017 at 2:58 am

    Reposted with asterisks (sigh!)

    The Swedish political class doesn’t give a damn, Fisk, as they keep importing people like these:

    A group of around 20 masked men hurled firebombs at a Gothenburg synagogue Saturday night, hours after an anti-Israel march in Sweden’s second largest city.

    Chairman of the local J*wish Assembly Allan Stutzinsky reported that around 30 young people were attending a party at the synagogue during the attack, and fled to the basement for safety until police arrived.

    “There were dozens of masked people throwing burning objects into the courtyard,” he told local media, adding that rain that night helped prevent the building from catching fire.

    Tonight,J*wish teenagers hide in the basement of the Gothenburg synagogue after firebombs are thrown at the building.I ask you FM @margotwallstrom & PM Löfven – why will you not protect us J*ws?Why do you align yourself with those who want us dead?Why are we not worth protecting?

    I think it is safe to assure that the guys in that mob throwing firebombs were not named Lars and Olaf and Sven.

  148. Robber Baron

    What sort of wedding present do you give to homos?

    I wonder what present Maol and Luceeey will give to Tim and his “spouce-to-be”?

  149. Mitch M.

    What sort of wedding present do you give to homos?

    Condoms.

  150. BorisG

    So the High Court found Canavan was not a citizen because you had to go through a process to acquire Italian citizenship – it seems the same with Hungarian law.

    44s is absurdly vague and needs to be amended. Judges like to have the final say but the whole charade is just bizarre.

  151. BorisG

    At the Arab league meeting today, Lebanon’s representative suggested sanctions against the US. Isn’t it funny?

  152. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2581313, posted on December 11, 2017 at 3:47 am

    At the Arab league meeting today, Lebanon’s representative suggested sanctions against the US. Isn’t it funny?

    The mouse that roared? Peter Sellers if I recall?

  153. struth

    What’s vague about section 44?
    It’s very clear.
    It’s just not enforced.

  154. John Constantine

    Their media assures us that Nazgul ruled yarragrad will host counter terrorism talks soon.

    To prevent terror attacks this holiday season.

    For example, we don’t call it Christmas time anymore, because the word Christmas enrages the mass imported terrorists.

    Flee.

    Cower.

    Beg.

    Abide by all obligations under signed united nations conventions.

    Happy Holidays, Comrades.

  155. Shy Ted

    What sort of wedding present do you give to homos?
    Buy 2 pairs of identical his and her towels or similar useless wedding gift. Put the 2 “his” towels together and wrap. Wait for an invite to a lezzer wedding for the other 2. If you’re the best man tell lots of stories about past indiscretions of the “groom”. Wait.

  156. 2dogs

    What’s vague about section 44?

    It doesn’t achieve what it was supposed to achieve. It was intended to stop the likes of Sam Dastiyari, but instead we get pointless by-elections in New England.

  157. John Constantine

    Counter terrorism strategy, Australian style.

    Deindustrialise.

    Import everything from China.

    Base the economy on welfare services.

    Mass import herds of welfare clients.

    Pay the most troublesome imported welfare clients the most welfare, as this boosts the economy.

    Our deindustrialised welfare plantations are our strength.

    Borrow money from chicoms to build bollards, our bollards are our strength.

    Pay imported informers with money borrowed from China to dob in imported terrorists.

    Our paid informers are our strength.

    Disarm the deplorable proles, so home invaders don’t have to fear armed racism.

    Our willingness to disarm the proles is our strength.

    Everything makes sense, once it is understood that the word:

    Our.

    Simply means the quisling traitor crony looting Class, not Australians the we were before the traitors took the bribes to sign the craven capitulation conventions.

  158. John Constantine

    How counter terrorism works in yarragrad.

    There is a high value paid informant called ‘old mo’.

    Whenever the high paid intelligence experts need good publicity, old mo gives them the name of a thirteen year old with a couple of pressure cookers and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide in his mums carshed.

    They pay old mo Twenty grand for stopping the terror attack on the crowd in the central square on New Years Eve. Then the pay old mo hundreds of thousands to run a deradicalisation program, so the radicalised youth can be released into the community.

    Because old mo is such a valuable informant, the welfare scams run out of his mosquebunker are ignored, and the insurance scams and the car rebirthing.

    Our paid informants are our strength, so we must increase our mass importation program, so that we can keep them happy.

    It all makes sense, if you have a good job in the counter terrorism industry.

  159. Baldrick

    Nice on by Ben Garrison.

  160. If Liberal ministers chose to leak rather than let a security organization prosecute the law, then Liberal ministers should join Dick Dastardly in the clink.

  161. Geriatric Mayfly

    US Jerusalem decision backlash continues The Oz.

    We’ve got one at last! A backlash makes the headlines. This one, I suspect, is being orchestrated by the very ones who should be the target and will most likely garner media encouragement.

  162. The ABC news site has gone the full … err … ABC.

  163. A Lurker

    From today’s online Australian newspaper (sorry, no direct link)…

    Same-sex marriage: MPs’ ‘no’ to liberty ushers in new sectarianism – Steve Chavura The Australian December 11, 2017

    Today’s debate on religious freedom has not arisen in a vacuum. Amendments to Dean Smith’s same-sex marriage bill that would guarantee freedom of speech, ­association, and conscience would be redundant were there no appetite to restrict such freedoms. But there is such an appetite, and its ferocity is revealed more and more by the day.

    Despite 38.4 per cent of Australians voting No to same-sex marriage and about 62 per cent of Australians wanting protections for religious freedom, large majorities in the federal parliament, and a substantial number of ­Liberal MPs, rejected the amendments to the Smith bill that ­guaranteed religious freedom to individuals, businesses and ­religi­ous institutions.

    The same-sex marriage debate in Australia has exposed a sectarian politics reminiscent of the skirmishes between Protestants and Catholics over freedom of conscience that plagued Australia up to World War II.

    People may disagree on the justice or injustice of fining bakers for not baking same-sex wedding cakes, forcing adoption agencies to shut down for catering only to mother-father clients, or forcing people to answer to anti-discrimination and human rights tribunals for non-abusive, non-incendiary speech, but no one can deny that this is happening, as experience in the US, Canada, Britain and Australia shows.

    And it is this climate of soft persecution that makes Smith’s bill an incredibly irresponsible piece of legislation. The bill’s and many MPs’ Pollyanna-ish attitude to real-world challenges against freedom of speech and conscience is both a betrayal of the principles of classical liberalism and a betrayal of Australian religious institutions and individuals.

    Liberal MP Tim Wilson warned that conservatives demanding religious freedom clauses were in danger of establishing a bill of rights, the very thing they had been fighting against for years. But the bills of rights that conservatives from Edmund Burke onwards have always opposed were bills enshrining abstract rights to “equality” and “fairness” that could easily be manipulated by ­social engineers to eradicate reasonable liberties.

    The comprehensive list of amendments proposed by Liberals James Paterson, Andrew Hastie, Scott Morrison, Alex Hawke, Andrew Broad and Michael Sukkar were very narrow in scope, protecting the integrity of institutions such as churches, schools, businesses and charities, and freedom of speech and conscience for individuals and parents. Rejection of the religious liberty amendments as a mere licence to discriminate reveals a worrying misunderstanding of some necessary conditions of a free society.

    For example, how long will a political party exist without the right to discriminate in favour of potential candidates and staffers who adhere to the principles of that party? The same goes for a trade union, Get Up!, a church, a charity, and a school.

    Lobby groups, the media, political parties, businesses, educational institutions, and charities make up civil society — that free, voluntary sphere that seeks to have a positive influence on government and other people’s lives. Without the right to discriminate in employment this sphere disappears and the social needs that it meets are taken up by the state. Liberals should be especially concerned with this.

    The point should be clear: some rights to discriminate are valid because they are anchored to the preservation of social goods and ideals that constitute a free society. When business owners exercise conscientious objections to participating in same-sex marriages either through catering or photographing the event, they are not restricting the liberties of anyone else, and no one is being forced to use their services.

    Some might say that by so ­refusing to offer services, the vendor is inflicting a status or dignity harm against the customer because the validity of their very identity has been questioned. This is seriously problematical: Who is to say that the customer’s identity as same-sex attracted is any more important to him than the vendor’s identity as a religionist is to her? And therefore on what grounds can we say that forcing the vendor to facilitate an event deeply at odds with her beliefs is any less an affront to her dignity than allowing her to refuse is an ­affront to the customer’s?

    Also, photographers and bakers are not refusing to serve customers because of their sexual identity. If the same customers simply wanted to buy flowers or cakes for other occasions then the vendors would comply. If straight customers went in and requested a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding, they too would be denied. It is about participating in an activity against which the vendor is conscientiously opposed, not the identity of the customer.

    The proposed amendments to the Smith bill were not religious privilege. All Australians, religious or secular, should be free to decline participation in morally contentious events so long as it is no threat to others’ liberties, safety, or property.

    Indigenous Australians should be free not to sell Australia Day flags in their shops or cater for Australia Day events. A gay photographer should be free to decline creating promotional material for an Australian Christian Lobby Conference. A Muslim printer should be free not to print a magazine depicting images of Mohammad.

    This isn’t so much liberal identity politics as it is just classical liberalism. It merely requests the negative liberty to abstain from ­violating one’s own conscience, rather than demanding that everyone else celebrate and honour it with punitive measures against those who resist.

    The uncomfortable fact is that society is deeply divided on questions of sexuality, marriage, gender, and now even traditional liberal rights. The same-sex marriage debate revealed a fierce sectarianism in Australia that has emerged out of the moral revolution of the 1960s and has been radicalised by a Marxist obsession with militant victimhood.

    In the absence of protections for freedom of speech, conscience, and association, the place of social conservatives and vocal advocates of classical liberal rights in the public service, education, health, and civil society in general is precarious.

    An analogy is the marginalis­ation of Catholics from state institutions up until the 1829 Catholic Emancipation Act.

    If freedom leads to plurality of opinions, then freedom is the greatest enemy of any movement that demands uniformity of opinion on questions of sexuality and gender.

    The same-sex marriage debate and its aftermath around the ­English-speaking world showed that such a movement is afoot, even in Australia. A good first step to imposing this uniformity is to have passed Smith’s bill unamended. The next step is to start attacking institutions and individuals who represent traditional views or who defend those who do.

    Welcome, then, to the new ­sectarianism.

    Stephen Chavura lectures in politics and history at Macquarie University, Campion College, and the Lachlan Macquarie Institute

    So where are the great Catallaxy missives from Sinc. and Senator Lyonhjelm condemning the loss of our fundamental freedoms?
    Why is the LDP AWOL on these important issues?
    Why is no-one of note speaking out?

    Oh wait, this was Sinc.’s response on November 19, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    What isn’t clear to me is how anyone’s rights are being eroded. People are still free to attend the religious ceremonies of their choice and consult with the deity of their choice. Businesses are still prohibited from engaging in discriminatory practices.

    So why are Conservatives the only ones speaking out and trying to defend the fundamental freedoms of all Australians?

  164. Looking forward to a vegan probiotic macrobiotic rspca approved (I bet that the chooks lying in dismembered pieces or roasted in a hotbox are grateful) gluten free Israeli divested non culturally appropriating low carb coconut water infused sustainably harvested fair trade based no egg reduced salt peanut and other allergen free sugar free low fat no palm oil dolphin free festive dinner at a time of year of whose name cannot be spoken coz of the offence it may cause. Should be a wow.
    Re gifts for homos- matching shims for their lax and compliant anuses.

  165. Bruce of Newcastle

    Pope Francis is keeping busy.

    Vatican Echoes Arab League Appeal for Meetings Concerning Jerusalem Status

    On Sunday the Vatican issued a communiqué appealing for cooperation with groups like the Arab League that are concerned with the recent decision by the United States to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    “Concerns about the prospectives for peace in the region are the object in these days of various initiatives, among them meetings called urgently by the Arab League and the Organization for Islamic Cooperation,” the communiqué read.

    Pope Francis Endorses Paris Summit for Combating ‘Worrisome Phenomenon of Climate Change’

    Pope Francis has once again underscored the perils of manmade “climate change,” urging nations to adopt practical measures to counteract its effects.

    After his “Angelus” message in Saint Peter’s Square Sunday, the Pope gave a shout-out to the “One Planet Summit” that will take place in Paris this week, voicing his hopes for the summit’s success in fighting climate change.

    He seems to have interesting friends. The Arab League and the Organization for Islamic Cooperation would also quite like a One Planet Summit. Or maybe it should be called One Planet Submit. I’m sure the Greens wouldn’t mind that either.

  166. A possible reason for the otherwise inexplicable fuckedintheheadedness of the hipsters and inner city denizens that have no consistency or rationality in their disparate quest to actively seek to be offended, demand fairness love and equality then ruthlessly persecute anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Refer to Japanese studies on the contribution of tofu to the dementia in their population.

  167. struth

    It doesn’t achieve what it was supposed to achieve. It was intended to stop the likes of Sam Dastiyari, but instead we get pointless by-elections in New England.

    It won’t work if it is ignored.

    I believe this stems from the fallacy that the crown is unnecessary in a constitutional monarchy, which to all effects, we are.
    Our GG or the speaker of the house (probably more so the speaker) should be on to it.
    It has nothing to do with parties or PMs who both don’t exist in our constitution.

    Section 44 followed correctly could rid us of a lot more than dual citizens.
    Anyone that is in allegiance, obedience or adherence to a foreign power, and that would include any provable submission to the U.N.
    Definitely Sam would be gone, or anyone receiving monies from foreign powers, (although that would be pretty easy to get around, so banning it is just for show).
    It’s an enforcement issue that has nothing to do with party heads.

  168. calli

    Happy Holidays, Comrades.

    Behind the times, John.

    It’s now Happy Peak Terror Season according the Seven News.

  169. Happy Peak Terror Season according the Seven News

    Quick, cancel that Christmas day pork roast lest you provoke a minority.

    Or cancel Christmas.

  170. Farmer Gez

    What I learnt from ABC news this morning.
    Trump is anti free trade. Globalisation is now good.
    Trump’s not liked by Macron. Vichy French revived.
    Gay couples will take marriage more seriously, so less divorce (from reality maybe).
    Pallychook’s cabinet has balanced guys and gals in the Big Pineapple. All problems solved,
    Manus island refugees are frightened of locals. These lovely people seem strangely unpopular. Why?

  171. Geriatric Mayfly

    Manus island refugees are frightened of locals.

    If a group of ‘privileged’ whites found themselves stranded in an Abo hellhole like Wadeye of Halls Creek and said they were ‘frightened by the locals’ would the ABC be taking up their cause?

  172. johanna

    Somebody drinks herbicide from an unmarked bottle left in a public place and nearly dies. No prizes for guessing what the knee jerk reaction is:

    In 2015, a Queensland farmer died after the deadly herbicide accidentally sprayed into his mouth when he was filling a pressure back-pack pump spray.

    Paraquat has caused thousands of deaths worldwide and is banned in more than 30 countries including China, Cambodia and across the European Union.

    There is also a debate about its links to Parkinson’s disease.

    The poison has been under review by regulator, the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority, since 1997 due to health and environmental concerns, with a final determination due next year.
    Julie and David Terry
    Photo: Damien’s Parents, Julie and David Terry, want Paraquat banned in Australia. (ABC News: Mary-Louise Vince)

    The Terrys want a major crackdown on its use and availability but are ultimately seeking a nationwide ban.

    “It defies logic in my mind that this is available over the counter for anybody to purchase,” Ms Terry said.

    “Everybody knows these days that health and safety is a very common agenda for all of us in the workplace so I feel a bit disillusioned that the authorities didn’t keep an eye on that.”
    Support for the campaign

    The Terrys call is one that is strongly supported by the National Toxics Network.

    “It beggars belief a pesticide of this toxicity would ever be used in a public facility, let alone decanted into a drinking bottle,” said environmental campaigner Jo Immig.

    “What it really illustrates is the failure of risk management when it comes to highly dangerous pesticides.

    Strangely, I can’t get any of the Google pages on Jo Immig and the National Toxics Network listed in Google to open. But, from the page summaries they seem to be of the hysterical, ban all artificial chemicals ilk who would like to see us all forced to use ‘organic’ products for everything from agriculture to household cleaning.

    I love the bit implying (without a skerrick of proof) ‘links’ to Parkinson’s Disease. Ooga Booga! Chemicals!

    Of course, the solution to anything bad that ever happens is to ban something. How very Australian. 🙁

  173. John Constantine

    Flicked through their Country Fire Authority magazine over coffee.

    Wymynsys activism is require to progress the organisation apparently.

    Also the concept of merit in appointing jobs needs to be questioned, as not enough socialist activists are being appointed to CFA jobs, therefore this proves that racism and bigotry are hiding behind an old Australian use of the word merit.

    Only pure communism is meritorious.

    Comrades.

  174. one old bruce

    “Law allowing employers to sack pregnant women to be abolished”!!!

    Small print: ‘women who knew they were pregnant when they applied for the job’ that is.

    Then complain about earning differences. ‘You can have it all’, at someone else’s expense, until sugar daddy runs out of money, then find another daddy.

  175. I’m thinking someone with authority read tim Leary’s politics of ecstasy in uni and decided to test drive his proposal of putting lsd in the water supply once they got their hands on the levers.

  176. Of course in the day Leary asked about if the Viet Kong did it. Every time has a fall guy.

  177. Rabz

    decided to test drive his proposal of putting lsd in the water supply

    Makes as much sense as any other explanation.

    Exhibit A: Testes.

  178. Farmer Gez

    How the hell could you sip paraquat? It absolutely stinks like a toxic chemical.
    Using a pressure pump pack to spray the chemical is also absurd.
    I’m sorry for these people but it is a case of gross misuse of a clearly labelled product that sets out safe handling. It is an extremely toxic product and a replacement would be of great value, so how about popping some funds into that instead of a ban?

  179. John Constantine

    Paraquat is a section seven registered poison, requiring a chemical users certificate to purchase, and you can only buy one of them off the State after a training and accreditation course.

    The chemical stench mixed into paraquat is stomach churning and repellent.

    Accidentally swallowing the chemical stench is very uncommon.

    Unfortunately, death by paraquat poisoning is agonizing and drawn out, as the bodies internals turn to ulcers.

    Paraquat is the last chemical left for some resistant super weeds though, so it is either paraquat spraying or be a grazier.

    ( rumours that some dedicated local spray can croppers have even selected for paraquat resistance.)

  180. Rabz

    gay men who claim to have an “eclectic style” when it comes to decor … which is a vomit inducing hotch-potch of animal prints, cornea melting bright colours and assorted mismatched furniture. The result looks like a collision between a circus carnival van, an op-shop and a Dulux test lab.

    I’ve known greeks and lebs who had more taste than your average woofter.

  181. Tom

    For those who naively believe the Democratic Party deserves the moral high ground for jettisoning its gropers in Congress and the Senate, look at the poisonous shit now oozing from the swamp (including the RNC establishment) and the DNC lapdog media like Politico:

    Why Democrats win even if they lose in Alabama
    Democrats head into Tuesday’s Senate election in Alabama confident that they’ll come out on top no matter who wins.

    And many Republicans agree with them.

    If Doug Jones prevails, Democrats expect it will further excite their base, bolster candidate recruitment and fuel fundraising heading into 2018, coming off their near-sweep of last month’s elections. They will revel in picking up a Senate seat in the Deep South, especially in a state so central to President Donald Trump’s political rise and where he earlier backed the loser of the GOP primary. Practically, Republicans would have a 51-49 Senate majority, leaving them with a single vote to spare assuming Democrats stick together.

    But the alternative won’t make for bad politics, either, Democrats say.

    If Roy Moore wins, they’ll spend the next year yoking every Republican they can to the accused child predator and a president who welcomed him into the GOP fold. They’ll be quick to remind everyone of all the other comments Moore has made against Muslims and gays and in favor of Vladimir Putin’s view of America as evil, as well as his rosy view of slave-era America.

    “He’ll be the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats. If you’re running in 2018, Roy Moore’s going to be your new best friend. As a Republican, to think that you can win without the baggage of Roy Moore is pretty naive,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

    RTWT.

    If, as expected, Moore wins, the Democrats aim to drag out his persecution into the 2018 mid-terms and make the charges against him orchestrated by the Washington Post and any attempt to clear his name through the Senate Ethics Committee a 2018 election issue — a high-risk strategy, but they have nothing else. The DNC is still a headless chook flapping around the killing pen over the 2016 election.

  182. Rabz

    You preposterous, vainglorious, criminal foreigners whores and quislings.

    That neo-brutalist monstrosity looks even more ridiculous than ever. Here’s hoping for an indefinite strike by the wukkas conducting the “upgrade”.

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    If Doug Jones prevails

    I’ve seen very little about who Jones is and what his background is like.
    The Dem black ops against Moore succeeded in making Moore the issue and keeping the spotlight off Jones.

  184. Geriatric Mayfly

    You preposterous, vainglorious, criminal foreigners whores and quislings.

    What is that obscenity that sprouts? I had read of a leak in the roof, but the sub-committee of the committee proper has taken its remit to extremes. When funds are no problem, this is what you get.

  185. Diogenes

    His mum has an entitlement to Hungarian citizenship She has not chosen to exercise it, therefore he cannot have an entitlement by descent.

    Having assumed all my life that dad was Hungarian, and only a few months ago did we realise he was legally really a f*ing Romanian , my brother and I did some research in getting Hungarian citizenship, and my brother had a long chat with the Hungarian Embassy in Singapore (just around the corner from where he works, and they are really not very busy) , and discovered the following, and shared it with dad’s side…

    As she was born within the borders of Hungary (Budapest I understand) as they exist post Trianon* (or during Vienna 2**), and she had been stripped of her citizenship because of her religion/she fled before 1946 / lost it as a result of becoming an Australian citizen – the first during 1940/1, the latter 2 as part of the 1946 laws) would she had her citizenship automatically restored in 1998. All she needs to do is take her birth certificate, however many dollars are required and the same completed application form as ordinary Hungarians complete to the Hungarian Consulate, and they will issue her with a nice shiny new Hungarian Passport. And once she has done that, Joshie can take his birth certificate, and parents wedding cert, with the required # of dollars and same completed form as his mum, and he will be issued with a passport.

    My oldest cousin was born within the borders of Vienna 2, literally weeks before the family fled to the west ahead the Russians in 1944, and the allies voiding Vienna 2. A month ago he did just as I described, and then his daughter did ,then her adult son, and he will registering his child at birth in @ 4 months.

    My dad, had he still been alive in 1998, would have had to follow a different process as he only had an entitlement as he was born in Transylvania to a Hungarian father in the period after Trianon and before Vienna 2, when his village, that was in Hungary pre Trianon, was now in Romania. (This is also like the Canavan case)

    Because dad had an entitlement, and died before he could take it up , I also have an entitlement but have to go through yet a different process to both my cousin, and dad. Thus, as far my ‘Hungarian’ side goes – I would be fine under the Canavan ruling – but the Romanian side – here I will fall foul of the Joyce ruling.

    * Treaty of Trianon 1920 – gave most of Hungarian land in Transylvania to Romania in return for Romania losing Moldova to Russia. Which was voided by …
    ** Second Vienna Award August 1940 – returned most Hungarian lands to Hungary, including the village where dad and my cousin were born, which in turn was voided by the Allies in late 1944

  186. johanna

    David Attenborough has completely lost the plot:

    Coral reefs – including Australia’s Great Barrier Reef – will be dead by 2100 due to human “maltreatment of the oceans”, David Attenborough’s Blue Planet II has declared.

    Attenborough’s follow-up documentary series, which took four years to film and produce, finished airing in Britain on Sunday night (local time). It ended with his grim warning about the state of our oceans, which Attenborough said were “under threat now as never before.”

    He said climate change, plastic pollution and over-fishing were all contributing to the demise of coral reefs.

    Blue Planet II has been Britain’s most-watched show of 2017, with 14 million tuning into the first episode of the wildlife series. Nine will air the seven-part series on free-to-air television in Australia in 2018.

    Will some kind person please deposit him in a home for the bewildered on Weston super Mare?

  187. H B Bear

    David Attenborough has completely lost the plot:

    Attenborough is just following the well worn path of all old people that sees them end up as tea ladies for GetUp swampies at Shut the Gate protests.

  188. stackja

    Sam Mata Hari going after Bennelong by-election.

  189. Leigh Lowe

    Diogenes.
    My scant understanding of Hungarian recent history is that the whole WW2 turmoil was compounded by the USSR hold on Hungary up until the Berlin Wall came down.
    The independent Hungarian government in the ’90’s tried to correct the situation, but two generatiobs on …

  190. Leigh Lowe

    Generations … bugger.
    Can’t preview properly on this bloody phone.

  191. Bruce in WA

    Johannes Leak nails it: Sami Shah joins the ABC …

    Leak

    (Apologies if it’s been linked to before, but I just got out of bed.)

  192. JC

    Oh come on
    #2581244, posted on December 10, 2017 at 10:46 pm

    JC are you still buying a NY apartment? How much do they cost? The rents sound crazy over there.

    Yea. I spent the entire week filling in forms and getting shit together like personal and business references, bank references and signing forms promising we won’t smoke in the building. It’s pretty incredible, because it’s an all cash offer ( not cash as in $100 notes) and they still want to see a net worth statement. Thing is co-ops are about 30% cheaper than condos in NY principally because foreigners don’t typically buy into co-ops. They don’t understand it. However, I know the way through from before. Oh, and the board will be interviewing us.

  193. Baldrick

    Happy Holidays, Comrades.

    I think the correct terminology these days is ‘Safe’ Holidays, free from gender specific kiddy toys and anything slightly religious over Christmas.

  194. Bruce of Newcastle

    David Attenborough has completely lost the plot

    Sad, but as a guy immersed in BBC culture his whole life he has no antibodies to leftist propaganda.
    He should have a talk with his fellow nonagenarian James Lovelock.

  195. Dr Faustus

    The UN confirms that Australia is hideously, deformedly racist.

    After reviewing Australia’s compliance with international race laws, the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination has written a scathing report of race relations, saying the conduct of relations with Indigenous people is not not reconcilable with their right to self-determination, land and resources.

    In his burrow, Goblin Shorten sniffs an opportunity and shifts uneasily.

  196. Bruce in WA

    So, masked yoofs firebomb a synagogue in Goteborg, Sweden. Sounds like religious terrorism, yeah? Nah.

    Three people have been arrested for allegedly throwing firebombs at a synagogue in the Swedish city of Goteborg.

    No one was injured in the attack late Saturday during a youth event at the synagogue and the adjacent Jewish centre in Sweden’s second-largest city.

    Goteborg police spokesman Peter Nordengard said on Sunday it is being investigated as an attempted arson. No injuries were reported.

    And whose fault is it? Why, of course …

    Demonstrations have taken place in Stockholm and Malmo in the past week over US President Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    Naturally.

  197. Rebel with cause

    There’s no money available to make nature docos these days so pushing the warmist lines is the only way David Attenborough can get funding. Who knows what he actually believes.

    In any case, the cinematography is still A grade and his sermon on warming is usually limited to a few minutes at the end that you can easily ignore.

  198. Mater

    You have to love the frank talking of Netanyahu when standing next to Macron.

    “…Does that mean Emmanuel Macron and I agree on everything? Not yet, we’re working on it. It’s a question of time, but it’s a pleasure to see you again…in Paris! Paris is the capital of France. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. It’s been the capital of Israel for 3000 years. It’s been the capital of the J.wish state for 70 years. We respect your history and your choices and we know as friends, you’ll respect ours. I think…”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_tSGowUUc0

  199. Snoopy

    What do international race laws have to do with Australia’s relationship with its indigenous people? Doesn’t the UN understand the meanings of ‘sovereign’ and ‘indigenous’?

  200. stackja

    Chapter 8 – Invasion of Malaya
    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1417208
    During the morning of 11th December, the Japanese pressed the 1/14th Punjabs where they had concentrated at Changlun . Two anti-tank guns were lost, and a further withdrawal was ordered to a position about two miles north of Asun . This operation was in progress when, about 4.30 p.m., in heavy rain, Japanese medium tanks, followed by motorised infantry, attacked the rear of the column. Most of the Indians had never before seen a tank, and they presented to them a strange and terrifying apparition in the absence of such a weapon on the British side.

  201. johanna

    Rebel, the doco in question also goes on about the meme that plastics are destroying sealife at a rapid rate, which began years ago based on one Canadian study of abandoned fishing nets and such. That is why plastic carry bags have been progressively banned over a peiod of years, even though the evidence for this alleged catastrophe and our role in it is sketchy, at best.

    Further, the most recent research indicates that almost all of the plastic in the sea comes from a few hotspots in Asia and Africa. The Western virtue signalling is BS.

    I must say, I have never understood why banning plastic bags in landlocked Canberra is going to save sealife.

    It is true that the production values of Attenborough’s propaganda pieces are very high, which just makes them more pernicious. People conflate high production values with good science, which is emphatically not true.

  202. Stimpson J. Cat

    For some reason nota’s link isn’t directing to the article, so here is another critique of the “study”.

    Of course gay’s and lesbians can be born homosexual.
    So can heterosexuals be born heterosexual.
    It’s not f$cking rocket science.
    They are Gaias natural population control mechanism.

  203. Rae

    I must say, I have never understood why banning plastic bags in landlocked Canberra is going to save sealife.

    Maybe it has something to do with Canberrans taking those plastic bags to their holiday houses at Batemans Bay and leaving them in or on the water there to kill sea birds and animals.

  204. Myrddin Seren

    For anyone who hasn’t surfed Gateway Pundit today,

    Vapid Hollywood dinosaur Chelsea Handler came under fire recently for calling White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders a ‘harlot’ and ‘trollop’ because of the make-up she wears during press briefings.

    James Woods moved in with the kill shot Saturday morning.

    Woods tweeted a video of Chelsea Handler being urinated on with a caption, “This person berates the character of @SarahHuckabee on a daily basis.”

    #ChelseaHandlerHumanUrinal

    Well played, Mr Woods, well played !

  205. H B Bear

    Shorter Graegooglery, “Won’t someone think of the grey nurse sharks?”

  206. johanna

    Piss of Septimus/Grigory/Rae/candy, you creep.

  207. JC

    Maybe it has something to do with Canberrans taking those plastic bags to their holiday houses at Batemans Bay and leaving them in or on the water there to kill sea birds and animals.

    In the summer, we walk along the beach everyday for around 2 months. I can’t recall the last time I saw a plastic bag in the sane. Never seen one in the water.

    Go get eaten by a shark, Gargoeilyer.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    Mater

    #2581444, posted on December 11, 2017 at 9:52 am

    You have to love the frank talking of Netanyahu when standing next to Macron.

    “…Does that mean Emmanuel Macron and I agree on everything? Not yet, we’re working on it. It’s a question of time, but it’s a pleasure to see you again…in Paris! Paris is the capital of France. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. It’s been the capital of Israel for 3000 years. It’s been the capital of the J.wish state for 70 years. We respect your history and your choices and we know as friends, you’ll respect ours. I think…”

    Can’t see the Youtubes at the moment, but I do hope Netanyahu elaborated …
    ” … as you know, for a short time last century, a foreign power tried to impose Vichy on the French as its capital. We all know that was a disgraceful sham. The cultural and political heart of France is Paris. Just as Jerusalem is for Israel.”

  209. JC

    Does anyone here ever see plastic bags in the water or the sand around Australian beaches? I’m sure there would be the odd one, but it’s not something that’s often seen here. Australian beaches are exceptionally clean.

    I’m sure Asian beaches and surrounding waters are a mess, but not here.

  210. struth

    There won’t be any less plastic bags anyway, just bigger profits for plastic bin liner companies.

  211. JC

    Years ago, we traveled through the Moroccan side of the Sahara desert. It was brimming with plastic bag and assorted crap.

    I mentioned it here at the time and one dude explained what he believed to be the reason. Moroccan land fills are very shallow and plastic bags fly out and make their own way through the desert. Possibly true, but don’t know. All I know is that the Sahara should be renamed Plastic Bag Desert if it’s still like that.

  212. Myrddin Seren

    After reviewing Australia’s compliance with international race laws, the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination has written a scathing report of race relations, saying the conduct of relations with Indigenous people is not not reconcilable with their right to self-determination, land and resources.

    In his burrow, Goblin Shorten sniffs an opportunity and shifts uneasily.

    Remember, Christopher Pyne and the Black Hand cavalry want the Turnbull United Party to achieve a permanent mainstream mandate by outflanking Labor and the Greens on their Left flank.

    Get ready to kiss a decent-sized slab of Australia goodbye.

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Haven’t had time to read back but will offer a full assessment of Bogan of the Seas when I get time. Currently in a coffee shop in Duneden eating seafood chowder. Did a great tour yesterday to a Scottish castle (great story there to rival Patsy Durack’s) and albatross headland yesterday. No fjiords for you, says Captain but after the big cold front passed yesterday the weather is warm again. No Ebola so far. My hands are raw from all the washing so far. Washy-washy say the stewards as they direct you to hand basins at all food venues. Just bought a heap of lanolin ha d cream downtown. And some j3wellry. Onyx and Malachite, not the D word, deary me no. See y’all. Hope youse are all goin’ alright.

  214. Infidel Tiger

    Does anyone here ever see plastic bags in the water or the sand around Australian beaches? I’m sure there would be the odd one, but it’s not something that’s often seen here. Australian beaches are exceptionally clean.

    A lot of Gulf country beaches and FNQ beaches are filthy from rubbish flowing down from Asia.

  215. Top Ender

    Monis got gun for $570

    ROSIE LEWIS

    The shotgun used by terrorist Man Haron Monis during the Lindt cafe siege was sold to him for $570 by a well-known Middle Eastern crime family.

    The Daily Telegraph reports today that senior police are confident that they know who supplied Monis with the weapon he used to execute cafe manager Tori Johnson.

    How Monis obtained the weapon has been a mystery for years, but as the third anniversary of the tragedy approaches on Friday, a police source said although the family that provided the weapon was well-known to authorities, they could not as yet be charged over the crime.

    “We haven’t been able to prove it yet.

    “Monis is dead and the criminals are certainly not going to admit it,” he said.

    Friday marks the third anniversary of the siege in which Monis took 18 people hostage in the Martin Place cafe in Sydney’s CBD just after 9.45am.

    Most of the hostages escaped before police stormed the cafe about 2am the next day.

    Monis was killed by police. Barrister Katrina Dawson, 38, was killed by bullet fragments in the police operation.

    An underworld source said some members of the family were extremist Muslims.

    Complete article from the Oz print edition

  216. JC

    A lot of Gulf country beaches and FNQ beaches are filthy from rubbish flowing down from Asia.

    ‘sactly.

  217. notafan

    As she was born within the borders of Hungary (Budapest I understand) as they exist post Trianon* (or during Vienna 2**), and she had been stripped of her citizenship because of her religion/she fled before 1946 / lost it as a result of becoming an Australian citizen – the first during 1940/1, the latter 2 as part of the 1946 laws) would she had her citizenship automatically restored in 1998.

    I linked the consular information last night
    The process takes 6 to 9 months and is slow and complex but until the prospective citizen applies and is approved by the Hungarian government there is no citizenship. Ethnic Hungarians beyond the first generation directly deprived of citizenship because of prior Hungarian legislation or border changes must also be able to speak Hungarian.

    As Andreas mentioned it is likely to be the same situation as Matt Canavan, who, because he had not actively sought Italian citizenship had not run afoul of s44

  218. C.L.

    The shotgun used by terrorist Man Haron Monis during the Lindt cafe siege was sold to him for $570 by a well-known Middle Eastern crime family.

    Thanks, John Howard.
    Your Tough Gun Laws worked a treat.

  219. JC

    LOL

    Friday was one of the most embarrassing days for the U.S. media in quite a long time. The humiliation orgy was kicked off by CNN, with MSNBC and CBS close behind, with countless pundits, commentators and operatives joining the party throughout the day. By the end of the day, it was clear that several of the nation’s largest and most influential news outlets had spread an explosive but completely false news story to millions of people, while refusing to provide any explanation of how it happened.

    The spectacle began on Friday morning at 11:00 am EST, when the Most Trusted Name in News™ spent 12 straight minutes on air flamboyantly hyping an exclusive bombshell report that seemed to prove that WikiLeaks, last September, had secretly offered the Trump campaign, even Donald Trump himself, special access to the DNC emails before they were published on the internet. As CNN sees the world, this would prove collusion between the Trump family and WikiLeaks and, more importantly, between Trump and Russia, since the U.S. intelligence community regards WikiLeaks as an “arm of Russian intelligence,” and therefore, so does the U.S. media.

    Read on. It was all fake news.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/the-u-s-media-yesterday-suffered-its-most-humiliating-debacle-in-ages-now-refuses-all-transparency-over-what-happened/

  220. Rebel with cause

    Johanna – haven’t seen the latest one so can’t comment, but as I say putting those messages in the doco is the only way it is getting funded. There is otherwise no finance available for making a high quality nature documentary now.

    I’m not defending Attenborough, I’m just saying that nature documentaries have been another victim in the politicisation of everything.

  221. struth

    Get ready to kiss a decent-sized slab of Australia goodbye.

    Already happened.
    But yes, there will be more given to white blacks who dream up bullshit and are taken seriously.

  222. stackja

    Missing $570 likely used to buy shotgun days before Lindt Siege
    MARK MORRI, Crime Editor, The Daily Telegraph
    December 11, 2017 8:37am
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    A WELL-KNOWN Middle Eastern crime family sold a shotgun to terrorist Man Monis in the days before the deadly Lindt cafe siege, senior NSW police believe.

    The Daily Telegraph can reveal that police received information which led them to investigate links between Monis and the crime family, based in Sydney’s southwest, after Monis used the gun to execute cafe manager Tori Johnson.

    “We are pretty confident they provided­ the gun to him,’’ one officer involved in the investigation said.

    But, he said, police had so far been unable to charge anyone, adding: “Monis is dead and the criminals certainly are not going to admit it.”

    While an inquest into the December 2014 siege found it was likely that Monis spent $570 on the gun in the 48 hours before the siege, the source of the weapon had not been established.

    Another officer said it was widely accepted by those involved in the investigation that the La Salle 12-gauge shotgun was bought from the family, probably the day before the siege.

    “We had intelligence indicating they were involved but not enough to charge anyone,’’ he said.

    “Whether they knew what he was up to, I doubt we will ever know.”

    Friday marks the third anniversary of the siege, in which Monis took 18 people hostage inside the Martin Place cafe just after 9.45am.

    Most of the hostages escaped before police stormed the cafe about 2am the following day, after Monis shot dead Mr Johnson, 34. Monis was killed by police. Barrister Katrina Dawson, 38, was killed by bullet fragments. Police are continuing to investigate how Monis got the weapon.

    “The case is not closed,’’ another detective said.

    An underworld source said some members of the family were extremist Muslims known to sympathise with the terrorist cause. They also are well-known suppliers of illegal weapons.

  223. notafan

    Bizarrely it might be the 2011 Hungarian law change, after Frydenberg entered parliament in 2010 that appears to have restored his mother’s citizenship that is a problem.

    But in 2011, the Hungarian Constitution was modified with the specific intention of abolishing numerous laws and regulations of the murky past – under both Nazi and Communist rule – that had deprived vast numbers of Hungarians of their citizenship.

    Among these new provisions was the termination of the 1939 law that had stripped Jews of their Hungarian citizenship.

    The modified constitution, known as the Fundamental Law, restored basic citizenship rights to Hungarians throughout the world.

    It contained a guarantee: it prohibited arbitrary deprivation of citizenship “if it has been acquired by birth or by other lawful means”

    the age says it was the 2011 law

  224. C.L.

    He always struck me as being a psycho:

    Josh Homme from Queens of the Stone Age kicks female photographer during gig.

    Minutes after the incident, Lauren said Homme took out what appeared to be a knife and deliberately cut his own forehead, dripping blood for the rest of the performance.

    The QOTSA forntman reportedly also insulted the gig’s headlining act, British band Muse, repeatedly yelling “F— Muse!”, and urged audience members to boo him.

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