Sunshine conservatives revisited

LIQ has raised the ridiculous and entirely spurious condition that my failure ever to criticise Donald Trump is somehow proof that my defence of PDT is beyond reason. What really can one make of this?

Trump is a false messiah who is leading many so-called conservatives down a dead end. If you can’t accept the flaws in Trump and argue rationally rather than dogmatically you really have no place in conservative thought. Because such behaviour is the antitheses of western critical thinking and logic.

Cultural warriors for Trump are no better than those idiots chanting and disrupting speakers at universities.

Some people are just too stupid to see what’s right before their eyes and going further, are too stupid to change their minds in the face of more evidence than anyone could have imagined to have been presented in even less than a year since the inauguration. The following is the article I wrote that was posted at Quadrant Online on October 16 last year, which I titled Sunshine Conservatives. I might better have titled it Idiots and Morons. And if you would like 390 additional pages of the same kind of material on Donald Trump, warts and all, you can go here.

This is the article I wrote then.

“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer blogger and the sunshine conservative will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

This has been a fearfully clarifying US election. There are people who declare themselves on the right side of politics, who are in truth sham defenders of freedom and our way of life, and who will be forever shunned by those of us who stood for saving the American Republic and the Western world at this moment of great peril.

The American election will determine the fate of the West. An America with open borders, unprepared, unwilling and unable to defend our freedoms from predators of every kind, from Islamic terrorists, from economic vandals, from those who masquerade their profound ignorance as concern for the environment — it is from these we must defend ourselves against or our way of life will be lost. The American Republic as it has been since 1776 will disappear. We will live to see our own fall of Rome.

Sunshine conservatives: those who pretend to represent freedom, individual rights and personal responsibility, but who refuse to stand with the only person who could make a difference. They are people whom history will recognise as the enemies of freedom, who refused to stand for the right when the moment arrived. It is Trump alone, the most improbable candidate in American political history, who provides even this sliver of hope. He is elected or Hillary is elected. There is no other possible outcome.

The mounting hostility among those supposedly on his own side is a disgrace. The array of enemies who have been uncovered from within what is nominally his own side of politics has demonstrated, better than anything else might have, that the Republican Party as it has become is a rotting curse on everything it is supposed to represent.

Those who stand with Hillary in this dark hour will have revealed they cannot be trusted and their counsel is without value. They are enemies of freedom. If you support Hillary Clinton in this election, nothing you write and say will from this time forward be worth the slightest attention. Your judgements will have been revealed as eternally worthless.

So, You Thought He Was a Choir Boy?

Donald Trump has not yet lost this election. If anything, this latest attempt to distract voters from the genuine issues which confront us may finally have focused the election on what actually matters. No one defends Trump’s words, or his attitude to women, least of all Donald Trump. This was his own assessment.

Let’s be honest, we’re living in the real world. This is nothing more than a distraction from the important issues we’re facing today.

We are losing our jobs, we are less safe than we were eight years ago and Washington is totally broken. Hillary Clinton and her kind have run our country into the ground. I’ve said some foolish things, but there’s a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days.

The American election is not about who has lived the most blameless life. It is about who can best protect our collective interests. Trump has been from the very beginning the only person running in this election who has understood the nature of the times in which we live and the actions that must be taken. You are either a sunshine conservative, or are instead prepared to fight this to the very end which means supporting Donald Trump for president.

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93 Responses to Sunshine conservatives revisited

  1. mh

    Stop worrying what Quinny says, Steve.

    Just enjoy the master at work:

  2. Malcolm

    Kates – you seem to have just proven LQC’s point. Talk about an own goal.

  3. Fred Furkenburger

    “that the Republican Party as it has become is a rotting curse on everything it is supposed to represent”. Sounds a lot like our very own Liberal Party sadly.

  4. Rod Stuart

    Don’t sweat it Steve.
    Lucy Cincinnati is 2500 years old and dementia is setting in really hard.

  5. LIQ has raised the ridiculous and entirely spurious condition that my failure ever to criticise Donald Trump is somehow proof that my defence of PDT is beyond reason. What really can one make of this?

    That LIQ is a Left Wing idiot?

  6. Tom

    Steve, I’d like you to run an experiment: put up a post a 2.30am. I can guarantee the house troll will have posted an insult 10 minutes later, as he has done today. (To understand today’s insult, you need to be a leftard delinquent with the intellect of a damaged four-year-old).

  7. I like how Kates literally brands himself as a darkness conservative. Darkie, for short? Or just ringwraiths.

  8. I’ll bet almost every Malcolm in Australia curses the fact that they have the same name as Australia’s biggest idiot and, if they frequent the Cat, the Cat’s biggest idiot.

  9. Shorter Kates:

    “There is no escape! Don’t make me destroy you. Lucius, you do not yet realise your importance. You’ve only begun to discover your power! Join me, and I will complete your training! With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict, and bring order to the galaxy.”

  10. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    Calling me ‘stupid’ ‘idiot’ ‘moron’ for daring to criticise Donald Trump shows that I was right. You are being irrational Steve.

    First, Trump has not been president for 12 months. He hasn’t quite reached 11 months yet. Second, Trump has accomplished so little as to be laughable. He has increased the risks of a world war with his actions on North Korea and Israel. His tax policies will not increase US economic growth, they simply widen the budget deficit. Those tax cuts are designed to benefit the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class. If anything the tax cuts will lead to further pressure to move to the left. He has done nothing whatsoever to address medical expenses. Trump has not significantly attacked the left; if anything Trump has mobilised the left and will ensure its victory at the next presidential election. Trump has increased protectionism.

    Rather than draining the swamp, Trump seems intent on increasing the swamp.

    You really have to be blinkered to find no fault with Trump Steve. Surely you can see that Trump is an abject failure? An embarrassment to the United States and damaging to conservatives and libertarians? How bad does it have to get before you will finally admit you were wrong, very wrong?

  11. Karabar

    The intervening 12 months since the election has demonstrated
    a) That the swamp is even more corrupt than DJT made it our to be
    b) That the Clintons are even bigger crooks that he said tehy were
    c) That the entire herd of RINOs and GOP in general was sucking on the nation’s teats
    d) That DJT can be depended upon to do what he said he would, which no other pollie in mondern times has
    e) That two terms of DJT as POTUS is the only thing that can geive Western Civilisation any chance of survival

  12. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    Yes, Karabar, the swamp is even more corrupt than DJT made it out to be. He is an insider intent on deepening the swamp. Who cares about the Clintons? The entire political class and business lobbyists are on the public teat and DJT is as bad or worse than any of them. DJT can be depended on NOT doing what he said. Two terms of DJT as POTUS would consign Western Civilisation to history.

    What is needed is a sensible and erudite libertarian / conservative who can defeat Trump at the next election. Someone who will pursue sensible economic reform and repair the damage of the Obama and Trump presidencies.

  13. RobK

    LQC,
    I would argue that Obama caused a lot of division, virtually re- spawning BLM and being soft on other cultural issues so they festered. Yes the swamp is big and yes, it’s likely someone else will have to finish the job but there were no takers other than trump on offer at the time.

  14. He has increased the risks of a world war with his actions on North Korea and Israel

    Typical Marxist subterfuge.
    The Norks escalate their weaponry but it is Trump who is risking world war? Don’t make me laugh.
    The Palestinians refuse 5 offers of a two-state solution yet it is Trump’s policy on Israel which is increasing the risk of world war? Geeze Lucius your reverse logic is perverse and incorrect.

  15. DrBeauGan

    So, SKates deceives himself. He sees not what is there, but what he wants to see. He fails to be objective and rational.

    LQC on the other hand…

    Hmmm.

  16. eb

    LQC at 1.04pm, WOW, so much wrongness in one short post.
    On the international front, we finally have a President who calls out the enemy, instead of appeasing them; and supports friends, instead of undermining them.
    On tax cuts, yeah, let’s never cut taxes because the Left will always be against. Leave taxes as they are, I’m sure that the Left won’t want to increase them.
    Done nothing on medical expenses; yeah, the lazy sod. With the whole Republican Party behind him, its a real mystery!
    Saying he hasn’t attacked the Left is sooo wrong. If you genuinely believe he has done nothing worthwhile, I would suggest it is because he may have spent too much time attacking the Left, and not enough time governing.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    I like how Kates literally brands himself as a darkness conservative. Darkie, for short? Or just ringwraiths.

    See it’s as I said. Lefties think Trump is Cthulhu.
    It is the height of admiration, Steve, to be regarded as one of his ringwraiths.

  18. calli

    You guys are getting soft. Calling someone “stupid” on this blog constitutes “abuse” and “punishment”? As for “idiot”, well that was used in the post just prior and in a similar context.

    Cultural warriors for Trump are no better than those idiots chanting and disrupting speakers at universities.

    And “moron”…oooooh, them’s fighting woids!

    Next, we’ll be called upon to battle those who would do us harm with that magnificent weapon, “cultured reason”.

  19. Zatara

    He has increased the risks of a world war with his actions on North Korea and Israel.

    Old School Conservative dealt with the Nork ignorance in that statement. I’ll flesh out the Israel facts a bit more.

    I know how hard it is to pound some concepts in to the leftist mind but I’ll say it again, it has been US policy to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel for many decades.

    The US Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act in 1995. Six months ago they renewed that act UNANIMOUSLY.

    Here are Bush and Obama saying the exact same thing as Trump did. Clinton did the same, so did Bush Sr and Reagan.

    In other words, Trump did exactly what his predecessors, both Rep and Dem, have done. You just want to make an issue out of it because it is Trump and that’s a perfect example of why trolls get corrected and spanked every time you roll in here with the ignorance.

  20. Cynic of Ayr

    Why do you people. especially Kates, bother with arguments with LQC?
    You all come back with your convincing factual post, and he throws them back in your face.
    You call him names, and he escaletes with the name calling.
    You bamboozle him to the point he makes meaningless replies, but that doesn’t matter to him, and you get your knickers in a knot because – hello! – it doesn’t matter to him.
    LQC is the result of all your egos!! Jesus, this is supposed to be a blog frequented by intelligent people!
    You’re all going on like fkn school children!
    FFS grow up and ignore him!
    But no, you all have the same insane idea that, because of your superior intelligence, you can:
    A. Have an intelligent debate with him;
    B. Demonstrate to LQC that you are smarter than he is, and have him agree;
    C. Ignore the fact that he’s making absolute fools of you all;
    D. That you can somehow change his attitude, beliefs, insanity or communism with facts.
    Just fucking ignore him!!! He’ll go away once the attention stops.

  21. J.H.

    “The American election is not about who has lived the most blameless life. It is about who can best protect our collective interests.”

    Well said Mr Kates.

  22. Tom

    He is an insider intent on deepening the swamp.

    Holy shit! This is a huge scandal! Don’t tell me: you heard it from someone in Washington. Please give us a link so we can have our eyes opened.

    The entire political class and business lobbyists are on the public teat and DJT is as bad or worse than any of them.

    Wow! Wow! Wow! The information you’ve been holding back is just incredible! Stop teasing us: we need a link so we can share it far and wide.

    DJT can be depended on NOT doing what he said. Two terms of DJT as POTUS would consign Western Civilisation to history.

    Imagine that! Trump has set out to do exactly the opposite of what he got elected promising to do and his speeches defending Western civilization in the past year were all a hoax.

    I just can’t believe you’ve been sitting on these devastating facts that not even the Get Trump globalist media will publish.

    Unless, of course, you’re just a pissant academic from Nowheresville, Outer Bumfuck, who just made it all up.

    What is needed is a sensible and erudite libertarian/conservative who can defeat Trump at the next election.

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

    What a do-nothing loser.

  23. Shane

    Are any of us totally convinced that LQC is not just some really clever parody ,& aside from a bit of relaxing fun on his part ,his opus may simply be an elaborate prank to show the vacuousness of various leftish viewpoints ,as in this case, the “never trumpers “.
    Think about the long list of “never trumpers “,what an unlikely ,unreal list like
    Ewan McMullen an unmarried 40s something exCIA Mormon ,
    Sen McCain who had his picture taken with the leader of ISIS & who is a war hero because he was captured,
    Jeb Bush who could have been totally relied upon to lose to HRC like a gentleman unlike DJT ,
    John Brennan ,a CIA head who just happened to be a Wahhabi convert .
    LQC ,a soi-disant Latin Avatar ,his postings unlikely as they are , speak for themselves

    So while not wishing to out LQC totally ,his very latest work is not his best & he should lift his game to avoid getting FIRED.
    So LQC may ID as a latin plough boy but I am still a bit of a doubting Thomas.

  24. calli

    LQC is the result of all your egos!! Jesus, this is supposed to be a blog frequented by intelligent people!

    I disagree. Lucius has put up an argument. Some of us choose to refute it as we see fit.

    Silence can be interpreted as assent.

    Also, I find your thinly veiled attack on the intelligence of commenters here highly offensive and will now flounce off to blub in the corner.

  25. Phill

    No Cynic. I don’t think they should be ignored anymore. That hasn’t worked for decades. Punch back. Its the only way LQC will understand that many do not buy into the type of groupthink that he treats as a given, well understood, home truth. It isn’t and never was.

  26. MPH

    I defy anyone to find the counter examples from the right to LQC’s ‘So on the one side’ paragraph about the left. He makes Kates’ point for him. Hilarious.

  27. Come on girls pre-arrange a bitchslap session between yourselves in a park or something. If the current trend of using this site as your private domains for arguing with each other it will lower the tone. Both of you are self promoting blowhards imo.

  28. The rot is setting in, if some punters have decided they have telepathy like the lefties the profess to oppose by mind reading silence as consent.

  29. They profess to oppose. My opinion isn’t worth shit and I’m not trying to convert people. It would be anti libertarian.

  30. calli

    The rot is setting in, if some punters have decided they have telepathy like the lefties the profess to oppose by mind reading silence as consent.

    Really? Is that what I said? Try again.

    You could have saved a power of pixels by just saying “Shut up”.

  31. Calling me ‘stupid’ ‘idiot’ ‘moron’ …

    It was cruel. I know.
    It hurt your feeelings. Once you come to understand that Mr. Kates is prone to understatement, I’m sure you will feel much better.

  32. struth

    His tax policies will not increase US economic growth, they simply widen the budget deficit.

    Self proclaimed leftist

  33. 12:32 pm Steve (O’Rourke) Kates: “I don’t know why everybody says you are so dumb.”
    1:10 pm Corporal Randolph (Luscious) Agarn: “Who says I’m dumb?”

  34. classical_hero

    In fact the tax cuts will punish the rich because they live in high tax states and can no longer claim them back from the federal government. Finally they are paying their fair share of taxes.

    I think it’s time to let this rotten corpse be buried after two and a half millennia.

  35. Jo Smyth

    Don’t worry. The left default position is go for the man or woman and destroy their reputation. That is because they have no wish to preserve democracy, their only vision is to destroy a persons individuality and indoctrinate society so they become minions of the state. Conservatives know people aren’t perfect, they make mistakes and they learn from them. They have the ability to see beyond the flaws because they haven’t become indoctrinated and still have a functioning brain. The indoctrinated carry weapons, the people with functioning brains carry thoughts and ideas AND can carry weapons, should the need arise.

  36. Driftforge

    Cultural warriors for Trump are no better than those idiots chanting and disrupting speakers at universities.

    This is the original position from which much of the Western malaise flows. ‘For Trump’ is actually kind of irrelevant; for Western Civilisation rather than against it is fundamental.

    The notion that Right and Left are equal and opposite is not merely wrong, its societally devastating in the long term. You should not permit parasitism; you should in no way give equal standing to those who build to those who tear down.

    Are those chanting at and within universities going to build anything better than what they are tearing down? Clearly not. They know nothing other than to tear down; that way lies societal collapse.

    Can the same be said of those supporting Trump? No it cannot. The degree of success is almost immaterial compared to direction of intent.

    We seem to consistently forget that the ‘marketplace of ideas’ requires certain fundamental premises for it to function as a beneficial element of society.

  37. classical_hero

    Why is Lucy repeating leftist talking points? Perhaps he’s not what he claims to be.

  38. struth

    LQC has never offered any constructive criticism of Trump, he just rattles off leftist bullshit and name calls.
    Apparently his speech isn’t eloquent enough or he’s not wearing the right tie, so therefore we should give control of the whole fucking world back to the left!!!!!

    You couldn’t make this shit up.
    He is definite proof of the flaws in straight forward deduction that can occur when a flawed personality controls the process.

  39. Jonesy

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/08/trump-mattis-turn-military-loose-on-isis-leaving-terror-caliphate-in-tatters.html

    I will quickly and decisively bomb the hell out of ISIS….

    Read through and see what the Iraqi defence minister, Yahya Rasool, thinks of the comparison between Trump and Obama.

    US mainstream media plays a low key…

  40. OK.Shut up. How about shut the fuck up, as I tend to say to people who say dumb stuff.

  41. Jock

    LQC thinks we conservatives should take the high moral ground and perhaps shuffle a bit to the left. These tactics tend to put you in opposition and out of power. The reality is that you only get power by winning an election. In the US and here the voters tend not to vote for jellybacks. Whether your ideas and policies are great seems secondary. Will you give them someone elses moolah? Will you tax them less? These are important but you have to fight for power.

    Surely an old republican like LQC can understand this? Roman politics were brutal 2000 years ago. Nothing has changed.

  42. Tekweni

    Well Steve, it’s always good to read some sense. Although I read LQC’s posts I don’t bother to comment. He reminds me too much of Savva,

  43. Fisky

    Two terms of DJT as POTUS would consign Western Civilisation to history.

    Hahahahahahahaha!

  44. calli

    Lucius made the claim that anyone who criticised Trump would be met with abuse and punishment.

    When little was forthcoming, at 1:10 he made absolutely sure it would happen.

    It’s a silly old playground trick. You lot of meanies!

  45. It’s a silly old playground trick. You lot of meanies!

    Sorry Miss Calli, but it is such good fun!

  46. Enough! I have had enough of Luscious types.
    Calli, when is the next vacancy on the tumbril bookings?

  47. Confused Old Misfit

    LCQ=Supercilious elitist twit. I am sure he imagines himself, Oh so much better bred than that Trump person! And, Oh so much more intelligent, perceptive and, I am sure, handsome than the rest of the hio polloi!

  48. David xavier

    LCQ says

    “What is needed is a sensible and erudite libertarian / conservative who can defeat Trump at the next election. Someone who will pursue sensible economic reform and repair the damage of the Obama and Trump presidencies”

    Thus proving that he is stupid and a moron

  49. Boris

    Second, Trump has accomplished so little as to be laughable

    I am not known to be a fan of Trump (or Steve Kates for that matter) but I reject both Steve’s idolizing of Trump and LIQ’s wholesale condemnation. Both are unhealthy. Trump has some achievements and some failures and any rational person should acknowledge Both. Naturally we can disagree on the merits of individual policies, announcements and tweets, but blanket praise and blanket condemnation are not indicators or rational thought.

  50. nemkat

    The way Trump is going, he’s on track to be the greatest Prexy sine Warren Harding.

  51. Boris

    “The American election is not about who has lived the most blameless life. It is about who can best protect our collective interests.”

    Sure, but past behavior is not a bad predictor of the future.

  52. Tel

    Sure, but past behavior is not a bad predictor of the future.

    Sure, compare the past behaviour of Hillary and Trump and tell me who has done more good for the world.

  53. Boris

    In other words, Trump did exactly what his predecessors, both Rep and Dem,

    And in doing that reversed two decades of appeasement.

  54. Boris

    Sure, compare the past behaviour of Hillary and Trump and tell me who has done more good for the world

    Well from that perspective both were rather dismal. But I think it is rather a mute point at this time.

  55. Louis

    Can someone please explain to me why NEWS.com.au has, for the last 12 months, constantly had an article on the front page claiming Trump is about to fall? Honestly, you would think they were the Democratic Party of USA’s news page. It took them about 6 months to give up on Hillary.

    If any twit is in doubt about North Korea and blaming Trump for latest round of escalation, WTF do think was going on for the last 70 years!

  56. Louis

    Gary, I’m gonna have to steal that description.

  57. marcus classis

    LCQ: Lucius, the quote from you below indicates that you are obtaining your data on Trump from the MSM. n essence, then, you are being exactly as tribal as you accuse Kates of being.

    Second, Trump has accomplished so little as to be laughable. He has increased the risks of a world war with his actions on North Korea and Israel. His tax policies will not increase US economic growth, they simply widen the budget deficit. Those tax cuts are designed to benefit the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class. If anything the tax cuts will lead to further pressure to move to the left. He has done nothing whatsoever to address medical expenses.

    The Atlantic is hardly one-eyed about Trump, but has reported significant achievements to August 2017.

    World Net Daily (a new site to me so I do not know it’s biases, so just prima facie on it), lists a large range of achievements.

    That you are so blithely dismissive even of matters indicates a failure in your argument, and tribalism you decry. And the comment on the Korean nuclear can is risible: it’s been kicked down the road since the Clinton years and now it cannot be kicked any more, and this is Trump’s fault?

    The DPRK nuclear issue is now at a binary outcome point. Either they are allowed to place the nuclear weapons Clinton, Bush and Obama said they would never develop on to ICBM, or they do not.

    Which outcome do you prefer? Whichever outcome occurs is on Trump’s watch and so his responsibility, but it is certainly not Trump’s fault that Clinton, Bush and Obama all permitted this situation to develop.

    I don’t wholly agree with Kates arguments either – but they rest on a foundation of quite a few verifiable facts. Your assessments of Trump seen to rest on air as reported by the MSM, and so are less soundly based.

  58. Tel

    Well from that perspective both were rather dismal. But I think it is rather a mute point at this time.

    No wukkin fae, Trump was a builder who knew how to enjoy himself from time to time, while Hillary was a wrecker who knew how to leverage a profit out of her position of power.

    http://charlesortel.com/

  59. BorisG

    BTW can we have a rational post on the latest US tax bill. I know shit about tax policy, and want to know. I know it is portrayed as a huge legislative achievement, but is it really as good?

    even better, what is good and what is bad in that bill?

  60. nemkat

    Looks like NEWS.com.au has always been propaganda, Louis.
    John Howard claiming to be terrified of the prospect of a Trump Presidency was an eye opener for me.
    As an Australian, i was terrified of another Clinton Presidency, but it looks like that didn’t worry him, nor plenty of other senior Liberals in Canberra.

  61. herodotus

    Silence can be interpreted as assent.
    Or possibly as WTF why do I bother? Who gives out these posting rights anyway?

  62. Gary

    Louis

    #2580449, posted on December 9, 2017 at 7:48 pm
    Gary, I’m gonna have to steal that description.

    I took it from a comment at instapundit.

  63. rickw

    LIQ giving munty a serious run for his money in the wrongolgy stakes.

  64. DM OF WA

    Donald Trump is a spiritual heir of the original Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus; he would be fully supportive of Trump’s national security policies – including the wall and his America First ideology. The imposter Cincinnatus here on the other hand is an embarrassment his namesake.

  65. candy

    I didn’t care much for D.Trump in the beginning.
    After watching some of his speeches just before the election and just after, I saw in him a drive to make America more productive. He means it.

    Whether he does it right or wrong, someone who is genuine and has a drive, an ambition, is an attractive figure. The real deal. He may fail, he may get impeached, but he will try and follow the beat of his own drum. A rare thing.

  66. Oh come on

    Lucy is a complete joke. He’s blotted his copy-book so badly over Trump that you’d really be best advised to ignore him when it comes to any other matter he starts flapping his gums about.

  67. squawkbox

    Can someone please explain to me why NEWS.com.au has, for the last 12 months, constantly had an article on the front page claiming Trump is about to fall? Honestly, you would think they were the Democratic Party of USA’s news page. It took them about 6 months to give up on Hillary.

    Simples. Rupert is in Washington and his Australian operations are in the hands of his dimwitted kids and their even dumber trophy wives. They have never had to seriously work for a living and don’t see the connections between sales of the News International product and payment for their upscale lifestyles. OTOH, they are keenly conscious of the risks of being boycotted on the Wentworth dinner party circuit.

  68. squawkbox

    On the subject, I remember reading that Keith Murdoch made the young Rupert sleep in a tent in the garden to toughen him up. Little James and Lachlan should have been made to sleep in a tent in Antarctica.

  69. BorisG

    Lucy is a complete joke.

    No more so than Steve Kates.

  70. Oh come on

    If the Dems win the House, they’ll surely impeach Trump. They just couldn’t resist. This would be excellent. It will guarantee him a second term.

    Impeachment doesn’t mean squat, incidentally. The House can impeach him ten times over and he will serve out his term unless he’s convicted in the Senate by a 2/3rds supermajority which just isn’t going to happen without the bombshell unearthing of smoking gun evidence of illegal activity – the kind that only appears in m0nty’s wet dreams.

  71. Oh come on

    No more so than Steve Kates.

    No, Steve Kates can be a little excitable, but he’s generally more right about Trump than he is wrong. Lucy is just a dumbshit anti-Trump troll. Common as muck.

  72. Barry 1963

    Trump’s tenure has co-incided with solid economic performance in the US. He has remained popular with his base and generally avoided disaster. He is limited by the Constitution and the Congress in what he can and can’t do (like Obama). I still think the best comment on Trump is that his opponents took him literally, not seriously. You do that and he’ll run rings around you. He’s smarter than he lets on and that keeps his opponents befuddled.

  73. Leo G

    A Washington Post op-ed by social scientist and self-appointed expert on the psychology of lying Bella De Paulo appeared in today’s Sydney Morning Herald.
    De Paulo claimed never to have seen a liar like Donald Trump nor a bigger liar in any of her research.
    But there are some odd things about the scientist’s study.
    According to De Paulo “a lie occurs every time you intentionally try to mislead someone” whether leading into error of conduct, thought or judgement.
    If so, you should think that one politically incorrect statement is a lie for every person intended to hear it.
    A lie, she also asserts, can be a false statement, a misleading statement or a flipflop. But she appears to use each interchangeably.
    My question is whether, by her own criteria, the scientist also is a liar by the way she uses her study.

  74. Rafe

    Trump is kicking goals and that is the main thing.

  75. Cultural warriors for Trump are no better than those idiots chanting and disrupting speakers at universities.

    Lucius is a useful idiot.

    He goes into bat for the enemy without any of the benefits willingly bestowed upon them.

    That makes Lucuis even stupider than a useful idiot.

    Steve, save your breath. Even as low hanging fruit, it’s not worth it.

  76. Cold-Hands

    Can someone please explain to me why NEWS.com.au has, for the last 12 months, constantly had an article on the front page claiming Trump is about to fall?

    Look at the editorial team– they’re cookie-cutter lefty journos from central casting.

  77. Mark A

    Barry 1963
    #2580558, posted on December 9, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    Trump’s tenure has co-incided with solid economic performance in the US.

    Are you implying that Obama made it all happen and it took him two terms to do it?
    And it all fell into Trump’s lap as a present?

    Dream on barry.

  78. bobby b

    LQC in the previous thread: ” Anyone – like me – who dares critique Trump must by definition be in a pact with the devil . . . “

    It’s not that you criticize Trump. It’s that you constantly lie about him, his achievements, his record, his supporters . . .

    I don’t come here all that frequently, but I’ve never seen what I would take as a good-faith post or comment by you. I assume you are simply this blog’s offensive clickbait troll, driving traffic.

  79. one old bruce

    Taking on the Washington establishment means isolation. Because there really is no ‘vast right wing conspiracy’ of support for conservative causes, and because Trump’s mandate is reform of the business-as-usual bureaucrats who are supposed to be his institutional support, and also because Trump himself was always an outsider (despite how he was portrayed), he finds himself all alone in the big office.

    We know that Nixon went crazy in a similar situation.

    I am so glad that Trump Tweets his feelings every day. It is psychologically healthy. He lets off steam, and we all know what he may be thinking (assuming it is actually him, but who else?)

    Thank God that President Trump Tweets every day.

  80. manalive

    My infallible guide to politicians’ intelligence is their attitude to the Global Warming aka Climate Change™ industry.
    CO2 is a greenhouse gas and the the NH temperature has risen about 1C since 1650 according the oldest thermometer temperature record the SH probably less so what, the 18th-19th centuries were about the coldest period during the past 10,000 years — and so-called renewables are no solution to the non-existent problem.
    That is why Turnbull is an idiot and Trump isn’t.

  81. Rafe

    On a point of detail LQC what do you think of President Trump’s deregulation agenda especially on the energy front and the end of the war on coal?

  82. Iampeter

    Eh, you’re kinda proving LQC right with this post, Steve. You don’t seem to have any reason for your overwhelming love of Trump, just ad hominems for those who disagree with you.

    The key reasons people seem to have for supporting Trump is he is anti-immigrant and is going to make trade “fair”.

    This used to be the reasons you voted Democrat.

  83. Rafe

    For some of us there are several key reasons and the wall and fair trade are not two of mine.
    Have a look at the list of his achievements which i posted a month or two ago.

  84. egg_

    The sin of upsetting the Establishment on both sides of the House?
    “Swamp”, indeed!

    Hopefully, our retail politicians are the next on the chopping block.

  85. GoWest

    It should be no surprise that swamp people are really addicted to their mob rule because it has helped them do better than the rest of us.
    They rightly see Trump as a threat, because his mob are the people who built the wealth that the current mob are (still) busy redistributing.
    The test will for Trump will be if the rest of us do better – he will need more than one term to do that.

  86. Stimpson J. Cat

    What is needed is a sensible and erudite libertarian

    A-ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ja!!!!
    That is some funny sh$t right there.

  87. Iampeter

    For some of us there are several key reasons and the wall and fair trade are not two of mine.
    Have a look at the list of his achievements which i posted a month or two ago.

    I’ll have to go have a search for your post but I think we’ll disagree on the definition of “achievements”.

    For example, Trump supporters are reacting to leaving the Paris Accords like he has announced the dismantling of the EPA or something, but it’s just a token political gesture that will be undone and then some, by a President Sanders of Biden straight away.

    Then there’s this “tax cut” which doesn’t correspond to any spending cuts so they will just borrow or print any difference which means its more of a tax “shift” to a more indirect taxation method.

    And then there are the real “achievements” of this administration that go beyond even what Obama was doing with big government which Trump supporters are either ignoring, don’t disagree with because they too are leftists, or simply are unaware of what’s going on.

    The bottom line is that any sober assessment of the Trump administration from those who claim to be an alternative to the left should be pointing out that its basically another Obama term, but with much less coherence.

    And also this is much bigger than Trump as Conservatives control every branch of government. The last year is not only an indictment of Trump but the American Conservative movement as well.

  88. BorisG

    Then there’s this “tax cut” which doesn’t correspond to any spending cuts

    yes this is a concern. people who think this will increase the tax base so drastically it will offset the $1 trillion in deficit are living in a fairy tail. Don’t take me wrong, I am for tax cuts but they need to be accompanied by spending cuts. but this is much harder. most people want lower taxes and higher spending.

  89. Rafe

    I cant find the list of Trump achievements which i posted. Must have left Trump out of the title or it is in a Roundup. On the road in Tasmania with limited time to search.
    Major things are deregulation and the end of the war on coal.
    Plus statesmanlike speeches and leadership in opposition to political correctness and calling out the MSM.

  90. Rafe

    Boris follow Dan Mitchell for his ongoing commentary on tax reform and related issues. I link to his daily column in my Roundups.

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