“A shocking column of bias, vitriol and singular ignorance”

It’s getting to be as regular as the rising sun that the only value from most of the columnists at The Australian is so that they provoke replies from their readers. And so again, yet another anti-Trump screed, this one by Graham Richardson whose only skill has ever been to count heads in Parliament and present whatever is the latest version of the lies of the left. This one on Donald Trump’s singular moment of lunacy alienates the US further. To quote:

Barack Obama left office as a very popular President despite some obvious shortcomings. On the domestic front he was an undoubted success. . . .

If you thought that American foreign policy had hit rock bottom you were wrong. Donald Trump’s blunder this week leaves Obama and Bush looking adequate by comparison. When Trump released his bombshell statement that America would recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel he managed to alienate every US ally around the world, he gave live ammunition to every US enemy and Middle Eastern terrorist group.

I’ve left in the opening words, the bit about Obama’s “undoubted success” in domestic policies, as a kind of benchmark for what follows. Anyway, the comments thread starting from the top and going down right to the end without a single one in support of Richardson.

So the arabs are upset and threaten violence. What has changed exactly?

Well Richo after many years of appeasement failure maybe its time to do something different. Your side of politics will be horrified if this succeeds.

What you are forgetting G Richardson is that not only Obama, George Bush but also Bill Clinton declared that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel. Trump has been the only President to keep his word. Long live Trump in the White House.

…but Richard, you’ve failed to mention that Jerusalem being recognised as Israel’s capital was also the policy of Obama and Clinton. You knew that. Hence you have been caught out again. Fake news indeed.

You really have this wrong. It was a masterstroke.

Time to hang up the pen, Richo.

I think that you summed it up in one sentence. 5 decades of sensible US policy has produced nothing because the Palestinians have no benefit in making peace. Better to infect the UN and continually deride Israel until such time as Iran goes nuclear. North Korea is another problem that needed to be tackled years ago but Clinton and Obama just sat back. It’s about time someone stood up to the likes of the Palestinians and Kim. Doing nothing doesn’t work.

Genius move by Trump and US.

Sheesh. Obama was not an “undoubted” success on domestic policy. That’s not even close to being accurate.

Clinton, Bush (GW) and Obama Presidencies ALL made public, on the record statements that recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, and there’s PLENTY of video evidence to support this. Why is THIS instance so different from every other?

Western Jerusalem has been capitol of Israel since 1948. Russia and the Czechs also have recognized that reality. The recognition changes nothing for final state negotiations. Finally the entire world at UN voted as per UNESCO that there is NO Jewish presence , history or emotional ties for Jerusalem. Palestinians wanting to pressure jerusalem /Israel without actually having face to face negotiations. It is fitting that they all now feel the reverse in the actual final recognition of reality…and that they feel what Israelis felt from the put downs and prejudice in denying any jewish connection to jerusalem. Palestinians are very noisy when it does not go their way, aren’t they!

“Barack Obama left office as a very popular President despite some obvious shortcomings. On the domestic front he was an undoubted success.” Well obviously. The Democrats lost 1,030 seats in state legislatures, governor’s mansions and Congress during Obama’s presidency. They lost control of Senate and House of Reps. The Republican dominance was greater than it had been since 1860. Undoubted success. Obama, Bush and Clinton all promised to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel before reneging. Trump promises it and delivers. An “act of lunacy”. Sorry Richo, but your leftism is showing.

Garbage. The city of Jerusalem has been the traditional capital city of the country we now call Israel since the beginning of recorded history. Pandering to the Arab movement has never achieved one single thing as they are solely focused on the destruction of Israel. He has called a spade a spade.

Richo, you are aware that recognising Jerusalem as the capital and moving the US embassy there, has been part of every presidential election campaign for decades, right? Barack Obama’s policies included recognising Jerusalem. So did George W. Bush, Bill Clinton. In 2008, then Democratic candidate Barack Obama called Jerusalem the ‘capital of Israel’. In 2000, then Republican candidate George W Bush promised to move the US embassy to Jerusalem. In 1993, former president Bill Clinton also came to office saying he supported ‘the principle’ of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. In fact, the US Congress even passed a law in 1995 called the Jerusalem Embassy Act which described Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and said it should not be divided. Trump is just the first one who is not all talk and simply gets the job done. I know that must be a very strange, almost alien, approach to a politician, but that’s how stuff is done outside politics. In the real world.

Tell me if I am not correct: The US Congress has acknowledged (by vote), for some time, that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, but no President has acted on that decision in an administrative sense, and say they will move the US embassy to Jerusalem, until now? A President enacting the will of Congress is how things should work in a democracy (and thankfully does most of the time, until lately, perhaps). Right or wrong, if it is a will of Congress, it is the will of the people.

What Mr Richardson knows about foreign affairs and geopolitics, you could write on a small postage stamp. All his knowledge is local, parochial and partisan. Not a single idea in this article is explored beyond its bald assertion. He is out of his depth on this subject, and is only parroting what he has heard–and what he has heard is essentially the Democratic/U.N. party line.

In his last two columns, Mr Richardson has sadly revealed that moments of lunacy are becoming his personal trademark. A shocking column of bias, vitriol and singular ignorance.

So Israel are just bombing Gaza for no reason? No provocation Richo?

Maybe spend 30 seconds researching what successive POTUS policy has been on recognition of Jerusalem. Yes, even the messiah Obama. But then of course, the narrative is more important then the facts in the post-truth age.

Oh Richo – so poorly informed on this one. 90 -0 the US senate voted for this issue only 6 months ago. So, its all Trumps decision, thought the President followed the government, not dictated to it. This decision (finally some one makes one, and sticks to it) forces the Truth to be faced. There is no peace process, not while the Arab world desires jus tone thing, the genocide of Israel. Also, you might want to ask why did Congress, on the same day, announce that the 887 million, yes, that’s 887 million dollars of aid it gives to the Palestine authority” will cease after Christmas unless the 334 million it “gives to its “martyrs” also stops. The Children in the room, and that appears to include you, need to understand, this is a message to the Arabs, recognise Israel, face the Truth, and then maybe, just maybe, a real peace can begin. There can be no peace when one side teaches its children, and has as part of its constitution the death of a its neighbour. Lunacy, I think not, Trump derangement syndrome, I think, on your behalf, yes.

Excellent and game changing move by Trump – executing a move that previous presidents promised, but never delivered.

Trump has signaled the USA – remember he is the President, like it or not, Richo -backs the only functioning democracy in the region, which Barack ‘Red Line’ Obama abandoned. Whose side are you on, Richo? Bob Carrs’?

Past Presidents had dithered for 25 years, delaying a decision every 6 months.(Bush & Obama). Along comes a President (Trump) who does what he promises and some get upset, but he made a decision. Go Trump, Make America Great Again, that helps the world.

Sorry, but the Israelis founded Jerusalem in BC, Christians in Anno Domini, and Islam barged in in the 7the century. So ,having driven a million or so Jews out of their countries since 1948, the Arabs should give them their s bit of their middle east land, that is now Israel, permanently. The Catholics have the Vatican, the Muslims have Mecca, and quite justly , the Jews should have Jerusalem.

Exactly Graham! WE MUST APPEASE, APPEASE, APPEASE, hey comrade?

Seriously tho, when did Australian politics devolve into a bunch of wimps frightened of upsetting anyone? And before anyone calls me an armchair general, I have more time in uniform than anyone in parliament, including Mr Hastie.

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57 Responses to “A shocking column of bias, vitriol and singular ignorance”

  1. BorisG

    Have to agree with Steve here. The article in the Aus is totally one-sided, over the top and lacking any reasonable analysis.

    Anyway, the comments thread starting from the top and going down right to the end without a single one in support of Richardson.

    While I agree with the comments, I am not sure how accurately they represent the spectrum of Australian opinion. Otherwise they won’t vote LibLabs and for SSM. Perhaps readership of the Australian is not a random selection.

  2. BorisG

    Disclosure: I used to live in Israel and hold Israeli passport.

  3. Tom

    The Australian has descended into a poisonous black hole where it is using more and more leftwing opinion pieces from its mostly leftwing staff and contributors list to troll its readership (which I believe is the best-informed in the country and can’t stand the direction the paper is taking). The blinkered leftist boilerplate like Richo’s is utterly at odds with the views of most of the Oz’s subscriber base, but management’s attitude seems to be that annoying the audience drives online clicks and overall traffic numbers and therefore it must be a good thing, even though it will inevitably cost the paper subscribers in the long term. It’s just plain bad management, in my opinion, for the paper to be tipping a bucket on its own supporters and, by extension, the Australian middle class.

  4. BorisG

    but management’s attitude seems to be that annoying the audience drives online clicks and overall traffic numbers and therefore it must be a good thing

    maybe it is much simpler. They invite people they know.

  5. nemkat

    The Australian is parrotting a global Party Line on everything Trump does or says.
    Predicting future content at least makes it interesting.
    My humble prediction:
    toward the end of the week, should it be clear that the Liberals are going to get trounced in Bennelong, The Australian will trot out Richo, Troy Bramston, Savva, Von Onse, Paul Kelly etc., all proffering reasons why sitting P.M.s shouldn’t be axed by their own Party.

  6. struth

    Richo ……………..Australian for fuckwit.

  7. mareeS

    I trust myself to have my own opinions, however I enjoy reading other, alternative, opinions. Agree, disagree, ponder, this is a good site.

  8. Up The Workers!

    When the surgeons recently removed Richo’s sphincter during his recent bout of surgery, does anybody know for certain which bit of him they kept, and which bit they threw out?

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    On the domestic front he was an undoubted success

    Could’ve fooled me. Every policy of Obama’s that I’ve seen is an utter disaster. He left more red lines painted across the middle east than around all the poles of an international barbers’ convention. His sue and settle practice at the EPA was pure evil and highly undemocratic. Obamacare goes from appalling to abysmal (premia up about 37% in the coming year). The list of his failed green enterprises is epic (except for all the donations of recycled government money which those companies gave the Democrats). And the bugging of Trump eclipses Nixon.

    But yes, he could talk purty to his teleprompters.

  10. Comments in The Australian are “moderated” (censored) by unseen PC apparatchiks who routinely and randomly delete conservative and libertarian posts. But it looks like they cant delete everything.

  11. I trust myself to have my own opinions, however I enjoy reading other, alternative, opinions. Agree, disagree, ponder, this is a good site.

    I too read all the Leftist MSM crap, but I certainly won’t pay to read it. If the Australian hopes to gain subscribers, this is not the way to go about things. They had a chance to be a voice of reason in Australia, but instead have chosen to follow the Leftist herd.

  12. win

    he Australian has descended into a poisonous black hole.

    With a Labor PM in sight they are getting the bit between their teeth and hell to the right wing readers. I left decades ago.

  13. entropy

    I bailed from my subscription around the time they started the blatant pro Trumble propaganda with the non disclosure of conflicts of interest.

    They keep providing reasons to not resubscribe.

  14. Karabar

    In contrast, the column by Jennifer Oriel shows up Richo as an ignorant oaf.
    The comments are entirely supportive of Jennifer, by the way.
    The last few months have aptly demonstrated that Donald J. Trump is entirely correct in his assessment of the Deep State, the corruption, the ‘fake news’, and the distortion of Truth by the media.

  15. Malcolm

    Look in a mirror Mr Kates. Your columns demonstrate ignorance and bias. Richardson’s makes a lot of sense and he is far more likely to be right in this than you.

  16. Craig

    Fuck me Boris, you serious? A citizen of Israel? It must be hard for you to give Donald a pat on the back and say ‘well done’. But, baby steps first right?

  17. Cassie of Sydney

    I subscribe to The Australian and I have noticed, particularly over the last year, the newspaper’s morbid descent into mediocre and juvenile leftist opinion. Everyone to the right of politics is now “alt-right”. Nobody to the left of politics is ever “alt-left”. I think that the university indoctrinated leftist, adolescent, snowflake activists are now running the joint. Why should I bother reading such crap? If I want leftist bile I may as well read Fairfax (and they could do with my subscription money). I read Mr Richardson’s disgraceful opinion last night and simply could not believe that the Oz chose to publish this Sussex Street hack’s screed. This was a day after I read a certain Mr Chip Le Grand’s Antifa piece which was nothing more than a soft apologia for violent left-wing fascist thugs, none of whom, in Mr Le Grand’s opinion, merited the label “alt-left”. If they keep going down this path then the newspaper’s decline will be inevitable and rightly so.

  18. Baldrick

    Strange how Richo ignores the promises of former POTUS Clinton, Bush and Obama.

  19. bigal

    Richo is entitles to his opinion, even if it is totally wrong.

  20. Texas Jack

    “…the U.S. would be prepared to accept East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state, if the parties agree to it.”

    Ambassador Haley

  21. entropy

    Jut perusing the Australian’s website, I have a question of subscribers, is the Jennifer Oriel piece a counter weight to Richo’s? I ask, because at least that would be presenting both points of view, something you would never see at Fairfax.

  22. Oh C’Mon you guys, how can you berate Richo for thinking The Kenyan was an undoubted success on the domestic front? The Bill Ayres accolyte dragged America so far to the left it must have given Richo a “tingle” up his leg.

    As far as Jerusalem is concerned, once these couple of hundred or so paid rioters settle down, no one will know what all the fuss was about.
    The child bombers factory otherwise known as the Palestinian Authority is running out of friends in the region and running out of funds. The Middle East ain’t what it used to be ever since Al Sisi took over in Egypt and the Crown Prince took over in Saudi Arabia.

    Peace is coming to the Middle East, of that I have no doubt. The only stumbling block at the moment is that recalcitrant wannabe Sultan Caliph Erdogan in my country of birth Turkey. Even Iran won’t have much to say because Iranians are stirring against the Mullahs who know that if there was a Green Revolution, Trump won’t leave the Iranian people stranded.

    And Richo……well you can’t blame Richo for having an opinion, that’s how he gets paid. The fuckwits who pay him are the ones at fault.

  23. cohenite

    Baa Humbug

    #2581373, posted on December 11, 2017 at 7:46 am

    You were born in Turkey Baa?

  24. This evil piece of shit should be in gaol. Instead he has an opinion piece gig in the Oz.

  25. cohenite
    #2581382, posted on December 11, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Baa Humbug

    #2581373, posted on December 11, 2017 at 7:46 am

    You were born in Turkey Baa?

    Yeah mate. Came to Oz when I was 10.

  26. Rabz

    Comments in The Australian are “moderated” (censored) by unseen PC apparatchiks who routinely and randomly delete conservative and libertarian posts. But it looks like they cant delete everything.

    I’ve never had a comment on one of that vile slug’s pieces posted, so I’ve stopped bothering both reading and attempting to comment on them.

    What’s been posted above by Perfesser Kates is simply typical of the imbecile in question’s offensive, fact free drivel, maaaaate.

  27. Ainsley Hayes

    Would love to hear about this excellent announcement by the US President from Dennis rather than Graham since we’re talking about Richardsons.

    I often look at the rag for free at my local cafe before work and no longer pay for it. I’ve been really dismayed by its many weirdly ignorant articles about Australia and also wonder how it manages to be so out of touch particularly when it comes to US politics.

    The political news cycle today is one hell of a ride but reading The Oz is like listening to my pomo work colleagues. The world of lies they’ve carefully cultivated for years has cracked, split open and dropped like a rotten log and they have no idea what to do except cover their ears and eyes or double down. The Oz needs to try a lot harder in a number of areas and like all other rags in this woeful industry it needs to take its fellow Australians and readers seriously.

  28. min

    Steve had a similar argument with a neighbour who like many Aussies, listens to ABC and only reads the papers written by leftie journos. Allthough educated ,did not know that Jerusalem was the capital , argued that Trump had no right to tell Israel what their capital is I argued that nothing had changed in over 20 years regarding peace process and 2 state solutionas that was not what Palestinians wanted.and quoted
    If you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always got
    For a change do something different
    Do something different for a change .
    I used this as a psychologist to encourage my clients .
    I got a typical lefty response a hissy fit and I am not listening to this.and walking off.

  29. entropy

    like all other rags in this woeful industry it needs to take its fellow Australians and readers seriously

    Quite so.

  30. Alan

    Good spot Baldrick … and if Twitter corrupt your link again, try this one.
    Obama vs success: Obamacare [the “Affordable Care Act”] forced everyone to buy direct from insurers, rather than through their employers. But less than 10% of the entire US population used Obamacare. Underlying costs soared across the entire industry (eg more call-centres), and premiums went up like our electricity bills. *Everyone* got burned.
    Obamacare created State “co-ops” insurers to spur competition and lower coverage costs. But by 2016, more than half of the 23 original co-ops had failed. Why? Premiums were indeed cheaper, but healthcare claims were the same as previous years, which forced the co-ops into bankruptcy.
    People who did not buy private insurance were subject to a govt penalty of $695 or about 2.5% of household income, whichever was greater (like Medicare). The few customers who did buy Obamacare were basically forced to buy insurance they could not afford to use.

  31. Rob

    In terms of our local media, The Australian is the best on offer.
    Richo may be allowed space to add “balance” but well informed readers can clearly see right through him – nowadays he is couch-bound, no longer an insider, and his view from the left is no better informed than someone who relies entirely on “our” ABC for their world view.
    I recall a Q & A episode when he was getting well and truly stuck into the Labor Party and Plibersek cut him down with a withering – “Is this how you reward the ALP for the wonderful life it gave you?” (+ applause) He’s never recovered from that assault and has been constantly ingratiating himself with Labor ever since.

  32. Tel

    … argued that Trump had no right to tell Israel what their capital is …

    Egats !!!

    So the guy probably has a smart phone in his pocket, but has never bothered to look anything up. There’s only so much you can do for people.

  33. H B Bear

    This evil piece of shit should be in gaol. Instead he has an opinion piece gig in the Oz.

    I must admit I am puzzled by Gut Bucket’s metamorphosis into a mainstream political commentator. He was always nothing more than a number cruncher for the NSW Right who, like his successors Arbib, Bitar and Dastayari, believe in nothing more than seizing and holding power by any means available. Richo’s main claim to fame is selling out Tasmania and giving birth to the Greens to win an election and, thanks to the High Court, massively expanding the Commonwealth’s reach via the foreign affairs power. Like all Liars he is both a hypocrite and moral vacuum as the Offset Alpine and Love Boat affairs showed.

  34. André M

    If he’s doing something to brown-off the party furthest from the negotiating table, perhaps that’s because he wants to negotiate on their behalf and tell Israel what they should respect of Palestinians.

    He’s already done something to show good faith with Israel.

    Expecting announcement of new Trump Tower Palestine in 5… 4… 3…

  35. Stan

    The Australian seems to have a deliberate policy of clickbaiting its paying subscribers. Richardson and Savva are regular columnists and specialise in woefully bad columns which are partisan and irrational in the extreme. Philip Adams is just awful. Then you have occasional contributors like Paul Maley, with deluded opinions just begging for readers to response with hundreds of comments bagging them. I suppose they get more clicks and comments, but at what expense?

  36. Des Deskperson

    ‘I must admit I am puzzled by Gut Bucket’s metamorphosis into a mainstream political commentator’

    Well, the guy has never previously displayed any talent for either writing or intellectual analysis, so I assume that, like most of these political hacks turned turned guru, while he may – or may not – set out the overall thrust of his column, someone else researches and writes the stuff and Richo just signs it off.

    Richo’s presence at the Oz hardly represents a sudden shift to the extreme left by the paper. Richo has had a column for years, and his stuff lurches all over the shop. I’m not sure that there is a consistent ideological theme in his columns, but if there is, then it’s a sort of populist centre left. Maybe he just writes what his mates want him to write.

    The Oz is still the best Australia newspaper in terms of analysis, balance and willingness to question authority. The Saturday Review – the arts and literary supplement – has, however, now certifiably been colonised by pop-Marxists. Last week’s contained a loving review of some piece of crap by Helen Razer.

  37. Jef

    I’ll have to say this to Graham Richardson, you will need to get your facts right before making such ill-informed statements about President Trump, when past Presidents also supported Jerusalem to be Israel’s capital but did not have the guts to do so. Graham, it only make you ignorant of the fact and make a goose of yourself.

  38. Stan

    (What Tom said in comment number 3.)

  39. Up The Workers!

    Do you reckon that if we could arrange a nostalgic reunion between Richo, a can of petrol and a box of matches, we might see another “Offset Alpine” at the Leftard sheltered workshop offices of ‘The Australian” (aka the “Rancid Rupert”, or the “Murky Murdoch”)?

    It would be a great tribute to truth, justice and those long-forgotten days when proper Journalists once dwelt upon the earth.

  40. Boambee John

    Why is THIS instance so different from every other?

    The tale of the RSM introducing new officer cadets to military protocol answers your question.

    “I sir will call you ‘Sir’, and you sir will call me ‘Sir’, but you, sir, will mean it.”

    Trump, unlike the others, means it.

  41. NB

    Rob says: ‘[Richardson] may be allowed space to add “balance” but well informed readers can clearly see right through him…’
    Yes. In defence of the indefensible, at least Richardson’s view is so transparently ridiculous that he is almost writing a critique of his own ideas – just by presenting them. And the Australian also gives us Oriel’s article as contrast.
    I wonder if the Australian pays Richardson directly into his Swiss bank accounts. Once upon a time, in the Offset Alpine days, the Australian held information about those accounts that compromised Richardson. Now they give him money!

  42. Sean

    I think most people have little hope in the peace process, thus the media tried to make it a shit storm but it was met with apathy by most people.

    It’s already US policy and it was never going to really impact the terrorist groups who won’t accept any peace process.

  43. Robber Baron

    He is a very highly paid useful idiot and those that listen are being distracted from a bigger story…Labor and China.

  44. EvilElvis

    I bailed from my subscription around the time they started the blatant pro Trumble propaganda with the non disclosure of conflicts of interest.

    They keep providing reasons to not resubscribe.

    Did the same and gladly told the poor young lady who called asking why I’d cancelled, why I did.
    Don’t ring looking for feedback and be surprised when you get it.

    Richo and his ilk getting a podium is just proof that we have a swamp but it’s not that deep. The same characters get rehashed ad nauseum. Now, who will take Trumps lead over here?…

  45. NuThink

    Israel offers African countries assistance in agriculture and science. What do the Palastinians and Arabs offer? Nuthing (of benefit at least).

    TEL AVIV – African embassies in Israel may follow the U.S.’s lead and move their embassies to Jerusalem, an official from Tanzania said in the wake of news that President Donald Trump intends to formally recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
    “It is a very commendable decision to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. I believe it will be followed suit by several African countries, Tanzania included, to move said quarters from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, because we believe where the parliament is — I am a speaker of parliament — then the government should be there and embassies should be there too,” speaker of the National Assembly of Tanzania, Job Ndugai, told i24 news on Tuesday.

    Ndugai joins seven other of his African counterparts in what is the largest ever delegation of parliamentary speakers to visit Israel from that continent.

    Ndugai dismissed calls from the Palestinian leadership to abandon support for Israel, saying, “We see no harm in having relations with Israel, actually we see very many benefits in having been closer and closer with Israel.”

    Ndugai dismissed calls from the Palestinian leadership to abandon support for Israel, saying, “We see no harm in having relations with Israel, actually we see very many benefits in having been closer and closer with Israel.”

    Oquaye noted that Israel was already “quite active” in Ghana in terms of agriculture and scientific development. “But we are looking forward to a time when there will be a deeper activity between Ghana and Israel. We offer a lot of opportunities,” referring to Ghana’s natural resources which include gold, diamond, bauxite, cocoa and now oil.

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/12/06/report-african-embassies-may-follow-u-s-lead-and-move-to-jerusalem/

  46. Peter

    ” So the arabs are upset and threaten violence. What has changed exactly?”

    Yes, who would have thought it?

    It’s hard to believe that Arabs would run amok and kill people (often themselves as it turns out, when facing a nation as resolute as the Israelis). For a bunch whose policies embrace whining, hating Jews and keeping Palestinians in suitably dire straights for 70 or so years so they can put the blame it on Jews, getting upset and threatening violence is totally out of character, don’t you think? Well so they would have us believe. Anyone who would believe this would believe Islam is the religion of peace.

    Speaking personally my own creed is never to trust any group who’s culture involves firing Kalashnikov automatic weapons into the air to express joy, anger, excitement or just about any other emotion. I am with Trump on this one. Especially given that the ones screaming that Jerusalem does not belong to the Jews are also telling us that Israel does not either.

  47. Dr Fred Lenin

    Another of riches skills is keeping out of jail,unlike a lot of his old corrupt party comrades who are serving time , Jailing those few was a tip of the iceberg job ,skilfully done by the “elites” ,”show there’s a bit of corruption and jail a few mugs to detract from the real extent of corruption” . Hawke Keating, krudd s missus spring to mind . Hawke didn’t show the extent of his wealth till after he divorced his wife wasn’t he a founder of a bank in Vanuatu or something ? You don’t do that on PM s wages .

  48. Mother Lode

    I got a typical lefty response a hissy fit and I am not listening to this.and walking off.

    It is amazing how often that happens – as if walking off is proper response. That withdrawing your presence is an action of the same sort as making a point.

  49. Boris

    It must be hard for you to give Donald a pat on the back and say ‘well done

    Not at all hard. I am happy to praise trump whenever I agree with him, just as I can criticise him when I disagree. I am against the idea of all or nothing.

  50. cynical1

    You have to remember that Richo is only half the writer he used to be…

  51. Yohan

    On a personal level I care nothing for Palestinians. If I could press a button and disappear them all, I would.

    But on the level of intellectual fairness I ask you all a question; Which came first, occupation of Palestinian land by the Israeli army in 1967, or terrorism and suicide bombings?

    Does Israel have the right to Jerusalem simply due to jews having occupied it at one point 2000 years ago? If you say yes, then surely the Aboriginals have the right to kick you off your property because they had it only 200 years ago.

  52. BorisG

    But on the level of intellectual fairness I ask you all a question; Which came first, occupation of Palestinian land by the Israeli army in 1967, or terrorism and suicide bombings?

    Terrorism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_civilians_before_1967

  53. Yohan

    Boris the majority of that list is just general murders which have now been reclassified as terrorist attacks to pretend that terrorism was rife before 1967. A similar murder list can be produced of pre 1947 Jewish attacks on Palestinians.

    If you knew more than a paper knapkins worth of info about the Israeli/Palestine conflict, you would know this already.

  54. BorisG

    Boris the majority of that list is just general murders

    Terrorist organisations PLO and Fatah were formed well before 1967.

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