Monday Forum: December 11, 2017

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  1. Mother Lode

    Has Mueller issued a warrant for Trump’s arrest yet?

    Not yet, but he’s gonna! He’s gonna!

    And Trump will be hauled off, crying, to prison. And his wife too. And his kids.

    Then all you Trumpbots will rue the day. You will groan lamentations! Casting dust in your hair and rending your clothes. And your children will be ashamed of you, your cats turn up their noses, and your neighbours leave burning paper bags full of shit on your door step.

    Oh, yeah! The day is coming. It’s coming!

    Meuller’s gonna make it happen! He’s gonna do it! He’s gonna!

    Pffft, Gonna Meuller is a sacred talisman for people who still haven’t got over Trump’s winning.

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Syrian border is that way son →

    There’s been a Palestinian Sate since 1947. It’s called “Jordan.”

  3. Roger

    I have been involved with some of these issues for more than 15 years, but there are stories that still send shivers up my spine. Take this one from a frontline child protection worker in Kununurra: “We got a result back … a five-year-old girl with gonorrhoea … everyone gets drunk and passes out without making sure that their kids are in a safe house. …

    This is all whitey’s fault & will only be resolved with Constitutional recognition and self-determination (i.e. more cash and less oversight) .

  4. johanna

    Want a bit of hot gospelling, complete with amazing banjo and church setting? Here it is.

  5. Delta A

    From Nota’s link at 8.52 am:

    Put your cards on the table from the beginning and make your intentions known. You are a man who wants to be a man. You want a woman who wants to be a woman. If she does not fall into that category, abandon ship.

    The entire article is a must read for every young man, preferably before he hits the dating scene.

  6. Top Ender

    Apologies for the length of the post, but some insights into the Labor Party and Traitor Sam:

    SAM’S GONE, HIS DASH DONE
    EAN HIGGINS

    There were few dull moments in the rise and fall of Sam Dastyari

    In his resignation speech yesterday morning, Sam Dastyari made one remark that, when you think about it, is a pretty big admission, and pretty funny: “I love the Labor Party — it has always given me more than I have given back.”

    For Dastyari, whose nickname in political and journalistic circles is “Dasher”, the ALP was the party that just kept on giving.

    It gave him the chance to start stacking ALP branches almost immediately after joining the party at age 16. The party gave him a series of backroom jobs as a political staff member and ultimately the most powerful ALP position in NSW as general secretary at the age of just 26.

    Then the ALP gave him a stint as a senator and Labor frontbencher just as he turned 30.

    He didn’t even have to stand for election; the ALP chose him to fill the casual vacancy left by the resignation of senator Matt Thistlethwaite, who moved down to the lower house.

    The ALP basically looked after all of Dastyari’s wants and needs from adolescence through to midadulthood, propelling a meteoric political career that less ambitious and fortunate Labor operators could never expect to reach until their 40s.

    Along the way there were plenty of meals at the Golden Century Chinese restaurant, the traditional haunt of the dominant NSW ALP and union right-wing faction in Sydney’s Sussex Street.

    As Dastyari himself observed a few years ago, it was at the Golden Century that the real business of promoting some in the ALP, and knifing others, was done.

    It has to be said, though, that Dastyari looked after the ALP and key figures within it extremely well, and for a long time. Dastyari raised millions of dollars for the ALP through the years, including from the Australian Chinese community.

    Former NSW premier Bob Carr revealed in a 2014 book that Dastyari orchestrated a Chinese New Year fundraiser at Sydney’s Shangri-La Hotel that netted Labor $200,000 and included the Mandarin-speaking Kevin Rudd as a guest.

    He also looked after political mates including Bill Shorten; he was a numbers man, a powerbroker and, as Julia Gillard discovered, when he decided to take away those numbers, he could terminate a political career virtually overnight.

    Across his career, Dastyari showed an extraordinary Teflon ability to apologise for questionable practices involving rich and well-connected Chinese business people — and survive.

    Those qualities as an ALP fundraiser and political numbers operator helped him survive for a long time — Shorten and others in the ALP needed and owed him.

    But during the past few days it became clear to the Opposition Leader that what Dastyari was putting into the ALP was far less than the downside of the scandal surrounding him.

    The growing list of revelations about how Dastyari intervened to serve Chinese government interests enabled Immigration Minister Peter Dutton to call him a “double agent” — perhaps with a little overreach but with enough substance behind it to be widely reported and hit a nerve. As Labor frontbencher Linda Burney said publicly, and many others said privately, it might be time for Dasher to dash.

    It took all of this pressure to make Dastyari finally realise the game was up.

    “Today, after much reflection, I have decided that the best service I can render to the federal parliamentary Labor Party is to not return to the Senate in 2018,” he said in his resignation speech.

    One could detect a palpable collective sigh of relief in Labor ranks.

    “Senator Dastyari’s career was going nowhere fast,” Shorten told journalists yesterday. “He has exhibited very poor judgment.”

    Few doubt that Dastyari, who seems to have been around on the public stage forever but is only 34, will eventually pop up in some other guise, such as the media.

    But his political career is over, and ends that part of a personal saga that is extraordinary, colourful and, in large part, remarkable for its accomplishments.

    It is, to use the title of his autobiography, “one halal of a story”.

    That story starts in Sari, a small town in northern Iran, where Dastyari was born to parents who were engineering students, and political activists.

    “Funnily enough, my memories of childhood are all peaceful ones, of playing soccer, or football as we called it, in the street with the neighbourhood children, much in the same way as I would have been playing cricket had I been born in Australia,” Dastyari said in his maiden speech to parliament.

    His parents fled the Iranian revolution, migrating to Australia when Dastyari was four, moving to Blacktown in western Sydney where his father drove a taxi and the whole family worked in a small cake shop.

    The fact he was part of a migrant family who left and sought a better life in Australia because of political oppression is something Dastyari never let go, and refers to often. In his maiden speech, he got to it nearly within the first 100 words.

    “My parents, Naser and Ella, packed our suitcases in the middle of the freezing Iranian winter and left our tight-knit family to bring my sister and me to Australia,” he told the Senate.

    “They shared the dreams of opportunity that every parent has but, more than that, they recognised that only by coming to this great country could they be certain that their children would grow up facing choices, rather than barriers. In so many ways, I owe this day to them.”

    The biggest single theme in that speech was a call for greater tolerance of immigration, refugees and multiculturalism, something that has always been part of Dastyari’s schtick.

    “The rhetoric of our national discussion about the so-called boatpeople still lacks a real sense of compassion,” he said in that speech.

    Coming full circle from the start of his time in the Senate to its end, in his resignation speech yesterday Dastyari said he was “proud of the fact that I have and will continue to speak for the millions of Australians who cheer the great multicultural nation we have become, as well as speaking against those who wish to drag us back to a less tolerant past”.

    Shorten yesterday also commented on Dastyari’s penchant for, in his eyes, countering those who seek to reverse the trend of inclusion, commending him for “calling out Pauline Hanson”.

    Dastyari also pointed out that he had been instrumental in getting some very popular — and for the ALP, most politically satisfying — measures up in recent days.

    “Thirteen days ago Malcolm Turnbull capitulated to the campaign I played a small role in helping lead for a royal commission into systemic misconduct in Australia’s banking industry,” Dastyari said in his resignation speech.

    “Five days ago Mr Turnbull had to release data showing that one in three corporations paid no tax in the latest financial year. That information would otherwise have been secret.”

    Here lies the irony, and the tragic flaw in the Dastyari story.

    He can justly claim to have been an effective senator, and an effective NSW state secretary before that, and an effective powerbroker throughout. He had led some reforms to the ALP constitution and rules, introducing more voting power for the party membership in selecting candidates and leaders. He was a good retail politician, and a good media reformer. Journalists liked Dastyari and he liked them.

    A few years ago, during the summer when things were pretty casual, this reporter had a cup of coffee with Dastyari when he was still state secretary near the News Corp offices in Sydney, and he said a lot of very revealing things. Dasher, who keeps himself fit, was wearing a pair of shorts, T-shirt and running shoes: he’d run the few kilometres, and after the chat, he ran back.

    So what went wrong?

    Political observers say that when he left his job as state secretary to become a senator, Dastyari just couldn’t give up the intrigue, wheeling, dealing, power and money-raising it had involved, including with the Chinese connections.

    “He couldn’t let go of backroom dealing,” one Canberra insider says, noting that Dastyari had two mobile phones and was always on them. “He had this love of the limelight. There was a bit of Hollywood about Sam, but it turned into a tragedy.”

    Dasher always had to be dashing.

    One early, particularly bizarre controversy as senator stemming from his love of political manoeuvring and his own role in it was his extraordinary decision to play himself in the ABC documentary miniseries The Killing Season about the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd leadership coups. It was the start of murmurings about Dastyari among his Labor colleagues.

    “I find it rather pitiful for parliamentarians to be auditioning for later careers,” then Labor MP Laurie Ferguson told Fairfax Media at the time.

    The Chinese connections Dastyari had built up during his years as state secretary also were those he kept milking, and serving, as senator.

    In September last year he was forced to resign from Labor’s frontbench after mounting criticism of payments he received from a Chinese-linked company. He apologised for allowing the Sydney-based Top Education Institute to pay off a $1600 travel debt he owed to the commonwealth.

    Dastyari progressively left himself open to attacks from conservative MPs including Cory Bernardi, who dubbed him “the Manchurian candidate”.

    Malcolm Turnbull claimed Dastyari had engaged in “cash for comment” when he made remarks sympathetic to China’s claims in the South China Sea, calling for Australia to “remain neutral and respect” China’s position in the territorial dispute.

    The Yuhu Group, founded by businessman Huang Xiangmo, who has links to the ruling Chinese Communist Party, paid a $40,000 legal bill Dastyari racked up dealing with a dispute with an advertising agency when he was state secretary.

    That was all bad enough, but then it emerged Dastyari had told Huang his phone might be tapped by Australian security agencies, and had tried to persuade then opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek not to meet a prominent pro-democracy academic in Hong Kong.

    Shorten said yesterday Dastyari was “not a traitor to Australia” but the cumulative damage was too much to tolerate, and the Opposition Leader and some of his frontbenchers had to blast him out of politics, ringing him up on Monday and telling him he had to go.

    Dastyari has never known anything but politics and it seems to completely consume his life; reportedly his cats are called Lenin, Trotsky and Chairman Mao.

    There’s a story of folklore of how, as a teenager, he wrested control of a local branch in Baulkham Hills in northwest Sydney by recruiting mates from school. When he was hauled over the coals at Sussex Street over that, he appeared in his school uniform.

    So it will be interesting to see how Dastyari copes with going cold turkey on politics after nearly two decades in it — one suspects he won’t entirely; he said yesterday he would “continue to be an active grassroots member of the Labor Party”.

    No doubt he’ll be doing a lot of thinking about how it all came to this.

    In that, he might reflect on a remark he made to an ALP branch meeting several years ago while state secretary: “How did we let the Labor Party be taken over by a handful of people for their own personal gain?”

  7. JC

    Here we go

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump

    Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!

  8. Delta A

    Delta, any chance you can give recipe for daughter greek yoghurt base? Probably a bit like damper? ie mix in enough yoghurt to make a dough?

    That’s right, Helen. One and a half cups of self-raising flour to approx one cup of plain or Greek yoghurt. No proving needed.

  9. Let’s not forget that Hillary had a friend at Fusion GPS prepare a dossier on Trump, then a Presidential candidate, so that a friend at the FBI could commence an legal investigation of her then political opponent, all the while pretending that Trump was engaging in ‘collusion’, so forgive me if I don’t give two shits about Roy Moore.

  10. Roger

    “They shared the dreams of opportunity that every parent has but, more than that, they recognised that only by coming to this great country could they be certain that their children would grow up facing choices, rather than barriers.

    How disappointed they must be that their son allied himself with a political system devoted to keeping control of its people through barriers rather than giving them choices.

  11. Rae

    wads of cash in plain brown envelopes behind the cisterns

    You’ve never been in the NSW Parliament buidings, have you?

  12. min

    Back in 1981 we had snow at Xmas in London . I was living in Chelsea at the time ,son a medical student then, came over for holidays . M1 could not be distinguished from fields, Heathrow closed and UKdid not have the resources to clean up. We went to Paris later when airport opened but had to pay for unused hotel rooms.
    What will they blame this snow on GW.?

  13. johanna

    One could detect a palpable collective sigh of relief in Labor ranks.

    Huh?

    I envision an army of sacked sub-editors crying in their beer and trying to avoid the publications that they once saved from embarrassment or worse on a daily basis.

  14. H B Bear

    Does anyone in the Liars Party ever not start their career stacking branches?

  15. Makka

    The biggest single theme in that speech was a call for greater tolerance of immigration, refugees and multiculturalism, something that has always been part of Dastyari’s schtick.

    An immigrant socialist traitor isn’t exactly the poster child some would expect for promoting multiculturalism , Sammy.

  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No mate, you’re just a blackfella on the public teat ignoring black kids being raped in Roebourne.

    Said “blackfella” has a European father, and his mother is of Malaysian and Aboriginal ancestry. Just saying.

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You’ve never been in the NSW Parliament buidings, have you?

    Vook off, Grogarly.

  18. John Constantine

    Their dastardly is dedicated to crushing and destroying the old Australia that gave his parents refuge.

    Dedicated to the socialist meme that old Australia stole the country, therefore international socialism can steal it back in the name of Stalin.

    Nothing except the genocide of old Australia will be anything except a good start.

    Comrades.

    The money and corruption is still there, they are simply moving on to the next middleman.

    As their ABC says, the way racists react to chicom bribing corrupt politicians to deindustrialise Australia just proves that we cannot be a multicultural society until all the literal Nazis are wiped out and replaced with imported tribalists and socialists.

    Comrades.

  19. notafan

    ABC are like a weathervane

    Wasn’t there much indignation a while back about China buying Tasmania to grow Chinese baby milk?

  20. Fisky

    Dedicated to the socialist meme that old Australia stole the country, therefore international socialism can steal it back in the name of Stalin.

    That is brilliant John Constantine.

  21. Rebel with cause

    Thanks Bern. I’ve gone with 45% probability for ALP just because Aus Conservatives show a high share of the vote in the polls but don’t know if that will carry through on the day. I use a modified Kelly Criterion to set my wages so the % matters.

    If ALP is going to win I may as well profit.

  22. Snoopy

    Sad to see NeverTrumpers redirecting their animus to Roy Moore.

    This time. Surely.

  23. notafan

    “They shared the dreams of opportunity that every parent has but

    I don’t believe that

    Wiki says

    “His parents were student activists in the 1979 Iranian revolution”

    Their (socialist) team lost, they left.

    the day my mother wasn’t executed

    going home for a wedding

  24. Top Ender

    Letter of the Day at the Oz:

    Award-winning writer Richard Flanagan is boycotting the Miles Franklin Literary Award (11/12) because he has been nominated five times and hasn’t won. This is the same Richard Flanagan who was “ashamed to be Australian” because of Tony Abbott’s environmental policies. Perhaps Flanagan would like a prize for participating. Suck it up, princess.

    Gabrielle Baker, Carina, Qld

  25. From Kevin Donnelly at The Oz:

    At the Year 6 level, 85 per cent of students rate highly “taking part in activities promoting human rights”, 89 per cent similarly with “activities to protect the environment” and 90 per cent “making personal efforts to protect natural resources”.

    Personal anecdote from a Sydney primary school presentation day this week supports the survey findings.
    A speech from a 6th class student mentioned favourably “sustainability” and “multiculturalism”. The national anthem was sung to a recorded didgeridoo sound track.

    On a positive note only the top students were awarded prizes and the school dux was given the most prestige. (Smaller trophies than the sporting stars but the most prestige).

  26. C.L.

    A month after Hillary Clinton hired Fusion GPS (April 2016) to sub-contract retired British MI6 agent Christopher Steele to write the opposition research report “the Trump Russia Dossier”, Fusion GPS employee Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license (May 23rd 2016); a communication tool that would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal risk of communication intercepts.

    Wait, what?
    FMD.
    And I see Andrew McCabe – the FBI boss whose wife took a bribe from Hillary Clinton – has failed to show before Congress to be interviewed.
    Wow.

  27. Jessie

    roger @10.11

    Jenny Macklin helped the process that now links into UN Rights of A Child.

    The judiciary aided and abetted by the cronies have a ready guide (of now gender specific continuity in land/sea -owning re-tribalisation)
    National Domestic and Family Violence Bench Book and in true satiric form It’s an Honour lists the years and dedication to Indigenous / Aboriginal service.
    Source: Department of Premier and Cabinet https://www.pmc.gov.au/government/its-honour

  28. Mother Lode

    You’ve never been in the NSW Parliament buidings, have you?

    I have never been in any buiding.

    And I have never been to the La Hawt Cuisine aisle at Aldi, or drunk Iced Wowbrau either.

  29. Wait, what?
    FMD.

    Indeed. This is corruption on a grand scale.

  30. Makka

    Forget the fake news — the US is set to boom under Trump and our boards, management and governments will need to discover quickly what is happening in the US.

    The US will boom alright , for a long long time. While our stupid fking Govt (it doesn’t matter who will be in office) will spend it’s time working on new ways of choking our economy to death.

  31. notafan

    Come on Mother Lode

    You can’t compete with the resident, possibly the only in the world, expert on the toilet facilities in the NSW Parliament.

    Why is it so?

  32. Ivan Denisovich

    Indeed. This is corruption on a grand scale.

    Tammany Hall resurrected. Except worse now.

  33. Oh come on

    LOL big news story! A man “ogled” a Miss USA contestant! Seriously:

    “It was heartbreaking last year,” Ms Holvey said.

    “We’re private citizens and for us to put ourselves out there to try and show America who this man is and how he views women, and for them to say, ‘eh, we don’t care’; it hurt.”

    The former beauty queen claimed Mr Trump ogled her and other Miss USA pageant contestants in their dressing room in 2006.

    What actually happened was that the management of Miss USA had the contestants line up and the owner of Miss USA (a certain Donald Trump) walked down the line of contestants, checking them out. One of the contestants, the above Ms Hovey, was shocked – shocked! – that such a thing could happen to a bunch of hot women who parade about in bikinis and have knowingly signed up to a competition where they’re judged primarily on their physical appearance.

    (quote from ABC News app)

  34. The media are trying their level best to ignore what is emerging about the scale of corruption involving the FBI, DoJ, possibly the White House, and the DNC, and bury it with ephemeral stories, this time, sourced by a flake like Senator Gellibrand.

  35. Makka

    Indeed. This is corruption on a grand scale.

    But wtf is Sessions doing about it.

  36. Snoopy

    And I see Andrew McCabe – the FBI boss whose wife took a bribe from Hillary Clinton – has failed to show before Congress to be interviewed.

    Just maybe Sessions recusing himself from the Russiagate probe was no accident. I don’t think things could have worked out any better for the swamp drainers.

  37. Snoopy

    But wtf is Sessions doing about it.

    Passing out rope.

  38. Mother Lode

    And I see Andrew McCabe – the FBI boss whose wife took a bribe from Hillary Clinton – has failed to show before Congress to be interviewed.

    Oh, yeah?

    Well, what about Trump drinking a lot of Diet Coke?

  39. Mother Lode

    You can’t compete with the resident, possibly the only in the world, expert on the toilet facilities in the NSW Parliament.

    Groorgargllgrey eckons you can only really cook real Spag Bog with real spag, and in a real bog.

  40. C.L.

    The former beauty queen claimed Mr Trump ogled her and other Miss USA pageant contestants in their dressing room in 2006.

    LOL.

  41. Rae

    I have never been in any buiding.

    And I have never been to the La Hawt Cuisine aisle at Aldi, or drunk Iced Wowbrau either.

    Me neither and me neither. Maybe I’ll turn on autocorrect.

  42. Bruce of Newcastle

    Well, what about Trump drinking a lot of Diet Coke?

    ML – Get with the present. “Begging” is the horrendous thing of the day.

    Trump’s Gillibrand tweet quickly labeled sexist by mainstream media

    When will M0nty start using the word “begging”? Must be soon.

  43. Jessie

    Awaiting……………….
    I. Introduction
    The Australian Government is pleased to present Australia’s joint fifth and sixth report under the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), second report on the Optional Protocol to the convention on the Rights of the Child on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography (OPSC) and second report on the Optional Protocol to the convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict (OPAC).
    This Report demonstrates Australia’s commitment to furthering the rights of children. The Australian, State and Territory governments devote significant resources to ensuring Australian children are able to reach their full potential and realise the rights set out in the CRC and Optional Protocols.
    Source: Australia’s draft report to the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child

    *Submissions not published
    Plenty on child trafficking and FGM but not Australia’s role in MGM and/or internal trafficking for the benefit of development economics. And what no mention of child rights under climate change(s)?

  44. Atoms for Peace

    Trump is living rent free in so many leftist heads that he could tweet a semicolon and have them frantically looking at the tweet for hidden meanings.

  45. Rae

    Maybe not. Maybe I’ll just leave it to you to let me know when a letter is missing.

  46. Politicians who take bribe money (federally roughly 225 out of 225) are immune from prosecution.
    At worst they are forced out of their bribe taking position.

    The bribe value of being a MP is now so great that there is little prospect of laws that would harshly treat political bribe takers.

    Then we have the secondary problems of federal police and security organization corruption.
    Let’s not talk about the judiciary.

    The descent from here will be rapid.

  47. Rae

    notafan, you’ve been hiding your expertise in toilet humour. Who knew you would be so good at it?

  48. Mother Lode

    “We’re private citizens and for us to put ourselves out there to try and show America who this man is and how he views women, and for them to say, ‘eh, we don’t care’; it hurt.”

    I can sort of see where she is coming from.

    Beauty pageant women, who have so much to tell us about world peace and how we should all just love each other then we can have justice, spend countless hours every day preparing, studying, learning, living even, for this noblest of vocations.

    How many carbs would this woman have foregone to understand that guns are evil? How much wax dripped on and ripped off pursuing their understanding of justice? How many hours in front of a mirror looking for the slightest impediment to their mission for world peace.

    And when they think they are ready, people just judge them for their looks.

  49. Mother Lode

    Passing out rope.

    That crossed my mind too.

    If Sessions was there then the distraction would be leaks and rumours about him pulling strings, closing down compromising lines of inquiry etc.

    The way it is set up it is entirely the Democrats in general (and the Hilderbeest’s familiars in particular) that own it. Trump and Sessions will have had to have been very certain that the shit would not be held back and was going to inevitably come out, but so far they have been right.

    It has also required the active self-mutilation of the press (who have predictably blasted out everything they have been given only to find that they are the news each time) and a strong suspicion of just how incestuous these people were.

    4-D Chess.

  50. Mother Lode

    Maybe I’ll turn on autocorrect.

    Only a cosmetic improvement. Autocorrect just fixes spelling. Content remains as putrid and retarded as when first set down.

    Just clearer.

  51. Rae

    Content remains as putrid and retarded as when first set down.

    You could just not set it down. Then your putrid and retarded content would be yours alone. That would be fine with me.

  52. Mother Lode

    You could just not set it down. Then your putrid and retarded content would be yours alone. That would be fine with me.

    Nice soliloquising, Socktimus.

  53. Leigh Lowe

    The former beauty queen claimed Mr Trump ogled her and other Miss USA pageant contestants in their dressing room in 2006.

    I saw that the other day from the sobbing press-conference.
    “He looked at beauty pageant contestants inappropriately”.
    This morphed into “touched” in later reports, btw.
    Here’s a tip.
    If you don’t want to be looked at, don’t enter Miss USA.

  54. H B Bear

    C’mon Graegooglery you’re lapsing back into pure fvckwittery. You were doing so well as a new sock too.

  55. Geriatric Mayfly

    “He looked at beauty pageant contestants inappropriately”.

    My favourite word from the lexicon of fem-speak. Besides inappropriate, there follow closely, unacceptable and problematic as adjectives to be reckoned with.

  56. Viva

    https://www.steynonline.com/8325/o-tempora-o-moores

    Mark steyn puts Moore’s supposed antics and the alabama election in perspective

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