Renaissance Woman wants private schools to be banned

According to the ABC’s Geraldine Doogue, Elizabeth Farrelly is the Renaissance Woman.  And not just the Renaissance Woman but also:

provocative Fairfax columnist, architecture academic, essayist on everything from climate change to feminism; perpetual thinker, mother of teenagers, and former independent Sydney City councillor.

According to her Fairfax biography, Elizabeth Farrelly is

a Sydney-based columnist and author who holds a PhD in architecture and several international writing awards. A former editor and Sydney City Councilor, she is also Associate Professor (Practice) at the Australian Graduate School of Urbanism at UNSW.

So based on her expertise and authority in education matters, Dr Farrelly has expressed her wish that private schools be banned.  More specifically, that private should be made illegal.

Whilst Dr Farrelly’s may have some experience and expertise in the consumption of education services, she does not appear to have any experience and expertise in the production of education services.  But such little problems never seem to get in the way of her declarations.

As an aside and for some context, Dr Farrelly’s architecture PhD was from the University of Sydney, an institution currently renowned for its embrace of diversity of thought and expression.

But this aside, according to Dr Farrelly, those parents who can spend up to $30,000 per annum for their children’s education, are basically stupid and should instead, be forced to send their children to public schools.  Dr Farrelly apparently knows better than every single consumer of private education that they are wasting their money.  Education, much like health, internet pipes and school halls should be left to the experts in government and academia.  In those areas, citizens have always received great outcomes and value their tax dollars.

Dr Farrelly believes that parents and guardians should have no say whatsoever in what or where their children are taught.  Such matters should be left to the expertise of the education industrial complex that occupy various Departments of Education and teacher unions, and of course the Commonwealth Department of Education in Canberra. You know, the bodies who advocate for standardization, centralization and homogenization to ensure the production of compliant and obedient tax payers.  Don’t forget also the advocates who like to ram their personal agendas onto every child.

In support of her argument against private schools, Dr Farrelly uses rigorous research undertaken by leading public policy think tanks and research councils Crikey and the ABC:

Private schools don’t necessarily produce bad people, although it’s true that (as a 2013 Crikey survey found) most cabinet ministers attended them. Private schools are just very, very bad for the country.

But Dr Farrelly’s economic analysis of the matter perhaps demonstrates why she is a practicing Fairfax opinion writer:

According to the ABC, almost a quarter of the $53 billion funding of schools ($12.7 billion) goes to private schools – which educate roughly a third (34 per cent) of populace. So each private school student sucks almost two-thirds as much as each public one. Before the benefit of their $30,000 in fees.

Ok.  That means the banning of private schools would necessitate an addition (roughly) $6.5 billion of public funds per annum, at a minimum.  This would not account for the extra bureaucrats and administrators necessary.  Tax rises anyone?

Ah but Dr Farrelly would argue that the increased taxation would be paid by those parent no longer paying private school fees.  Increased taxes are usually features and not faults of Fairfax opinion writers, but unfortunately though, Australia’s tax system is not so precise and granular meaning that everyone, including those with children already in public education and those without children in school at all, would need to pick up the tab to make Dr Farrelly’s wishes come true.

Dr Farrelly’s depth of analysis continues with this brilliant insight:

And for what? What does it buy, this immense spend? It buys a system that deliberately tribalises children before they can read, that has parents selling their houses for school fees, stressing about homework and entry exams and increasingly investing in private tutoring for four year olds. Yet for all that effort and angst, it’s a system that leaves us (as recent news yet again makes clear) less well educated with each passing year.

Most interestingly and without any evidence whatsoever, Dr Farrelly concludes that Australia’s declining education performance is driven by the 1/3 of children who attend private schools rather than the 2/3 of children who attend public schools.  She may be right.  She may be wrong.  But who knows.  We must apparently have faith that her PhD in architecture has given her educational insights unavailable to anyone else, including those responsible for allocating public funds for education.

But having declared that private education is a complete waste of money and parents/guardians who spend on private education are idiots, Dr Farrelly concludes with:

In other words, for every private school student the burden decrement on the public system is fairly small, but the personal advantage is immense.

So according to Farrel-logic, private education is a waste of money but the personal advantage is immense.  But let’s not forget the fairness argument:

This is manifestly unfair. Private schools heighten inequality, privileging the privileged, hogging the teaching talent and siphoning off kids already equipped with reading backgrounds, so depriving the public system of beneficial peer-to-peer learning.

But it’s unfair and a waste of money.  But the teaching talent is being hogged by the private schools.

It’s good thing the Dr Farrelly knows best.

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103 Responses to Renaissance Woman wants private schools to be banned

  1. squawkbox

    Has barking Betty yet worked out how to negotiate bicycle lanes with a lower-class removalist who probably never attended the King’s School?

  2. Tel

    Most interestingly and without any evidence whatsoever, Dr Farrelly concludes that Australia’s declining education performance is driven by the 1/3 of children who attend private schools rather than the 2/3 of children who attend public schools. She may be right. She may be wrong. But who knows. We must apparently have faith that her PhD in architecture has given her educational insights unavailable to anyone else, including those responsible for allocating public funds for education.

    But each private school is a separate case under consideration. If some of them are failing academically then close those particular schools down by all means (or even better, allow the school to change hands to new management when no one wants to go there any more), but even the concept of “private schools” as a class of entity is fundamentally stupid because I could set up a private school, and you might set up a completely different and unrelated private school.

  3. Roger

    Dr Farrelly believes that parents and guardians should have no say whatsoever in what or where their children are taught.

    That was standard Soviet education policy, I believe.

  4. squawkbox

    beneficial peer-to-peer learning

    Translates to wedgies. Lots and lots of wedgies.

  5. Tel

    This is manifestly unfair. Private schools heighten inequality, privileging the privileged, hogging the teaching talent and siphoning off kids already equipped with reading backgrounds, so depriving the public system of beneficial peer-to-peer learning.

    She better be careful with a statement that some teachers are better at their jobs than other teachers.

    Never know who might get upset, nor what they could do when confronted with an obvious truth that hurts their feelings.

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    Maybe if Dr Farrelly could fix the public school system there’d be no need for private schools.

    As it is the kids seem to be spending all their time learning about aboriginals, QWERTY theory, cultural marxism and having to watch An Inconvenient Truth over and over and over. It’s amazing that any of them can read write and do sums after all that SJW sludge.

  7. squawkbox

    And swirlies. For those who take time to appreciate diversity.

  8. Cannibal

    Are her teenagers being educated?
    If so, public or private?
    The teeming masses would like to know.

  9. Chris M

    Sure. Ban universities too, they create social inequality.

    No half measures lady.

  10. ACTOldFart

    Its the sheer f*&^ing unoriginality of Farrelly’s rant that gets me. The comrades at The Guardian have been pushing this trite, tedious, lightweight garbage for years if not decades, and now batty Betty is barely catching up. I wonder how she feels about being a colonial catspaw of the bien pensants of the Mother Country?

    Oh, and I can’t help wondering what feral Farrelly’s attitude would be to muslim private schools? I suspect some complicated, morally slippery, spineless relativist back flip would soon be very much in evidence.

  11. squawkbox

    so depriving the public system of beneficial peer-to-peer learning

    Sorry to repeat myself, but…. Jesus Christ on a pogo stick playing the Halleluiah chorus on a Hammond organ. Why don’t we get rid of the very concept of education and let the 5-year olds teach each other to read?

  12. Baldrick

    Socialism, looks good on paper but fails in reality.

  13. Fisky

    This is manifestly unfair. Private schools heighten inequality, privileging the privileged, hogging the teaching talent and siphoning off kids already equipped with reading backgrounds, so depriving the public system of beneficial peer-to-peer learning.

    There is very little evidence that private school teachers have a higher impact on student learning than public school teachers.

    Three years ago, David Gillespie (author of Free Schools) argued persuasively that, once you correct for socioeconomic advantage, even the most expensive schools add nothing to educational outcome.

    I agree, so why did you just contradict your previous argument, you dumb bint?

    Across the board, though, quality is low and falling, with consistently dropping international test scores in maths and science.

    So let’s get this straight – private schools are hogging the best teachers, but they are having no effect on educational outcomes. Somehow, though, this is still entrenching privilege and widening the achievement gap!

    Forty years ago, Finland stunned the world by nationalising schools, revering teachers, ending streaming, entering school late, shrinking the school day, reducing homework and extending holidays – then topping every test. Lately, its schools slipped a little, mainly due to global financial crisis-driven reductions. But its schools are still up there, and in an extraordinary turn-up Dr Pasi Sahlberg, who as minister designed the Finnish system, will move to Sydney next year, to teach.

    There is no evidence that the global financial crisis has reduced Finland’s PISA scores. Really, really dumb article. So wrong and incoherent.

  14. DM of WA

    I applaud this woman for her honesty and courage.

    She says out loud what her fellow totalitarian progressive socialists believe in their hearts but are too shy at the present time to argue in public lest they frighten the horses. Mostly these people, who dominate the media and the academies, only discuss their more extreme policies outside of the public arena.

  15. 1735099

    There is no such thing as a “private school” in this country.
    There are, however plenty of subsidised schools.
    No need to ban them – just call them what they are.

  16. I am Spartacus

    She says out loud what her fellow totalitarian progressive socialists believe in their hearts but are too shy at the present

    Are you kidding DM? There is no shyness. At present, at past or in future.

  17. squawkbox

    Are her teenagers being educated?
    If so, public or private?
    The teeming masses would like to know.

    The thought that Barking Betty has found someone desperate enough to reproduce with her is horrifying enough, but you are asking the wrong questions
    The question is has the teenager in question run away from home or is he/she on industrial quantities of antidepressants?

  18. calli

    This is manifestly unfair. Private schools heighten inequality, privileging the privileged, hogging the teaching talent and siphoning off kids already equipped with reading backgrounds, so depriving the public system of beneficial peer-to-peer learning.

    There is so much bullsh*t in this para it beggars belief.

    Private schools heighten inequality

    No, they are an expression of reality where nothing is equal. The good doctor has a PhD – I want one too as she, by her own lights, had a more privileged education than me. Unfair!

    hogging the teaching talent

    Teachers choose to work in private schools because they actually get to teach

    siphoning off kids already equipped with reading backgrounds

    Huh? Is she admitting that substandard public schools fail to teach children to read, or that the children who can magically acquire that skill? Or is she referring to children privileged to have parents who can read and value reading?

    so depriving the public system of beneficial peer-to-peer learning.

    Presumably this means that children in class teach each other. What happened to the person up the front? Oh, that’s right – by Farrelly’s own admission these are the talentless ones. If so, why are we wasting taxpayers’ money employing them?

  19. Garry

    The reason my kids went to a private school is because I wanted them to be educated in things that would give them a competitive edge in the workforce and not things like gender studies, the climate change crap and homosexual marriage plus all the other lefty garbage that replaces real learning in public education these days.

  20. calli

    DM of WA
    #2581872, posted on December 11, 2017 at 6:49 pm
    I applaud this woman for her honesty and courage.

    Chuckle. Very Sir Humphreyesque!

  21. linden

    Would be interesting to know how many children of union officials go to the top private schools. The whole thing reminds me of an anecdote the actor Peter Ustinov told during an interview about the leader of the bolsheviks.

  22. squawkbox

    Any removalists who encounter a demented Rosa-Kleb lookalike and soundalike in the Bondi Junction area…. take care, contact your superiors, record everything and make sure your tetanus injection is up-to-date

  23. Mr Gerard Henderson has on occasions been quite gentle as is his want in pointing out the internal contradictions and often meaningless babble of this creature. Some may say she is the product of living in a cocoon or that she should refrain from the sherry and or other substances before putting pen to paper. IMO she is a fuckwit with shit for brains. I have met a great many overeducated buffoons, of which she is one.

  24. Bear Necessities

    Peter Beattie sent his kids to Brisbane Grammar and he is a true socialist in the “some pigs are more equal than others” vein.

    But seriously we should allow Numbers back in to this thread only for a bit of nostalgic purposes. This was a topic that would get him going!

  25. entropy

    The best thing that can be said about Barking Betty is that subscribers and advertisers to fairfax pay for her, and not I.

  26. Karabar

    It is testament to the abject failure of the ‘education’ system that someone so completely devoid of logic; so asinine and lacking common sense could have earned a doctorate in any discipline.

  27. Catholic

    According to the ABC, almost a quarter of the $53 billion funding of schools ($12.7 billion) goes to private schools – which educate roughly a third (34 per cent) of populace. So each private school student sucks almost two-thirds as much as each public one. Before the benefit of their $30,000 in fees.

    So, the numbers do not make sense. I asked my Year 12 daughter who studied Specialist Maths this year to go figure. Liz and the figures svck. Said 18 year old attended an institution that charged near the figure touted. The Principal reminded the students and parents at Vale to pay heed to Islamafauxbia. A disgrace and nonsensical.

  28. Qley

    even the most expensive schools add nothing to educational outcome.

    We all know that 8 swimming pools 12 tennis courts and an orchestra never really did much for math marks is this meant to be news?

  29. stackja

    The ‘elite’ live by different rules.

  30. Tel

    We all know that 8 swimming pools 12 tennis courts and an orchestra never really did much for math marks is this meant to be news?

    Actually, keeping kids healthy has strong effects on mental development.

  31. Tel

    The good doctor has a PhD – I want one too as she, by her own lights, had a more privileged education than me. Unfair!

    That’s OK Cali, I’m sure she wants you to have hers, given how you feel and everything.

    You might as well just claim you already have her PhD, it’s a social construct therefore just deconstruct it when it suits you. The left will understand.

  32. Ainsley Hayes

    The answer-yes I’m talking to you down the back Farrelly,-is to turn out our teachers into the market and end public schooling except for highly specialised and localised teaching services for the needy, fully funded by the taxpayer. Put Principals in charge, streamline courses. Let schools compete.

  33. Peter

    A few months back there was a bit of a fuss on the internet because some idiotic Leftist (but I repeat myself) claimed in seriousness that having a happy loving family gave those children an “unfair advantage”. Indeed Radio National took it so seriously that it looked into it and by my reading gave it a qualified yes it does. (When the real conclusion that should have been drawn is that having no family or an unhappy family gives kids an unfair disadvantage – but the Left does not think in these terms because that would admit the failure of their ideology – far better to drag everyone down than to try to raise everyone up. And besides the worst of their type have said- they wish to abolish the family.)

    And clearly so it its with private schools – which give, as Farrelly claims, an advantage to those who attend them. Well an advantage compared to the poor kids who have to attend those cesspits of Leftist thought known as public schools. So far better to drag everyone down to the same low low level. Where their thoughts can be controlled by the Leftist cadres known hopefully (if somewhat exaggeratedly) as teachers.

  34. James In Footscray

    This was great writing. Thanks Spartacus!

  35. Michel Lasouris

    Great piece of de-bunking Sparticus, Shame is the silly bitch will probably never get to read it….sucking furiously on her pencil while she concentrates both brain cells on her next piece of pure nonsense

  36. Boambee John

    while she concentrates both brain cells on her next piece of pure nonsense

    Her problem is that she lacks a synapse to connect those two cells.

  37. H B Bear

    Analyzing (or even reading) a Barking Betty column is a poor use of one’s time. Leave that up to Fauxfacts diminishing readers.

  38. Rabz

    Woo-Hoo! Barkin’ Betty is back! Back, baby, back! 🙂

  39. EvilElvis

    Are her teenagers being educated?
    If so, public or private?
    The teeming masses would like to know.

    Ffs, what sort of a beta male sperm donor contributed to that?..

  40. I am Spartacus

    https://twitter.com/emfarrelly/status/449142434803376128

    Hypocrisy? Short memory? Wildly inconsistent?

    Brilliant find.

  41. Megan

    Education clearly cannot save us from A-Grade idiots.

  42. Texas Jack

    How did you manage to find this obscure Farrelly person anyway Spartacus? I’m intrigued! I mean, her paper is disappearing up its own @rse faster than the Liberal vote in Goldstein, what with weekday print runs down a lazy 59% from way back when Kevin was a God, and daily thrashed by a horrid News Ltd rag read by bogans like me. Truly! Farrelly needs to paint the town an obscene red just to get noticed within 5k of Town Hall. There are bigger worries in my ingrown toenail…

  43. Turtle of WA

    This is the frightbat who wanted light rail but cried when they had to cut down trees to build it.

  44. Turtle of WA

    Socialism, looks good on paper but fails in reality.

    Baldrick, neither socialism nor Farrelly’s writing look good on paper. And yes, they both fail in reality.

  45. John Constantine

    Deplorable obsolete Australian private schools are racist sectarian, privilege, unfair and for the chop.

    Even those full of hongkongers.

    Their Islamic private schools are culture and multidiversity and worthy of replacing racist old schools.

    Got the agenda?.

    Comrades.

  46. Dianeh

    According to the ABC, almost a quarter of the $53 billion funding of schools ($12.7 billion) goes to private schools – which educate roughly a third (34 per cent) of populace. So each private school student sucks almost two-thirds as much as each public one. Before the benefit of their $30,000 in fees.

    Now I’ve had a hard day at work and may not be thinking clearly but how can 1/3 of students receiving only 1/4 of available funding be translated into the 1/3 (private school students) getting

    Almost two-thirds as much as each public one

    Please someone explain this to me.

  47. notafan

    Does this mean Farrelly’s kids went to Sydney Grammar?

  48. Whalehunt Fun

    What this mental case fails to understand is not just which one is her thumb, but also that states fund schools as well. And the state funding of private schools is sfa. So the total funding of the state scools is far far greater than that of private schools.
    And a further point that the amusingly ugly mentality fails to comprehend is that the state should not be funding any education. There is no reason I should be funding the education of the sick filth that spews from the loins of socialist scum. The world is full of well educated young people who can be imported to displace the sick filth. The spawn of the likes of Farrelly can die in a ditch from starvation caused by unemployment before I would spare them a farthing.

  49. Bela Bartok

    Typical fart-bilge from the socialist scum.
    My daughter’s private school edukashun is only 65% SJW. Imagine how bad a public school would be?
    And in the early 80s I was the subject of enforced peer-to-peer knowledge sharing by being moved from the top science class to the bottom (class 8) as a ‘role model’ to ‘encourage Les autres. All it gave me was harassment, rat guts in my pencil case, abuse and distraction- but who cares about that when the socialist teachers got the ‘feelz ‘ by fucking with my education. Scumbags the lot of them.
    If public schools are so shit, get the lazy loafing parents to cough up $20k per year. Then we’d see a bloody big change in attitude.
    I hate fruit-bat Farrelly because she’d happily deliberately ruin other kids’ lives to make her ‘feelz’

  50. Rob MW

    I’m glad I read what this really stupid women thinks (sarc)) and I want my wasted time back. Pity any poor bastard infected from her deep brain abyss. On the other hand, she did well to find a willing donor, poor bastard, hope he’s a publican.

  51. squawkbox

    As for this demented frightbat having a PhD – it’s only evidence that once she graduated no sane architecture firm wanted to employ her so she retreated into the academic womb. Reading her thesis would be highly amusing.

  52. Jo Smyth

    And I suppose all those people who choose to send their children to private schools, are just going to roll over and agree to it.

  53. Bruce in WA

    I can’t even begin to contemplate this utter shit. Shut private schools and the public system implodes. Forget all the smokescreens about privilege or wealth or religion … the state simply could not afford to take over the private system.

  54. BorisG

    That was standard Soviet education policy, I believe.

    As a policy yes. Yet they also practiced schools where entry was competitive and based on entry tests.

  55. Ivan Denisovich

    Shut private schools and the public system implodes.

    Kevin Donnelly (2014):

    The school year has only just begun and, already, it’s open season on attacking Catholic and independent schools.

    With headlines like ”Private schools do not deserve a cent from our public funds” (The Guardian, 28/1), ”Private schools reap government funding at expense of public schools” (The Sydney Morning Herald, 28/1) and ”Abbott’s Gonski to hit public schools harder” (The Age, 30/1), parents could be forgiven for thinking that private schools are a drain on the public purse and that they do not deserve financial support.

    Wrong. Instead of being a drain on taxpayers’ funds, private school parents pay taxes for a public school system they don’t use plus school fees. The fact that 34.9 per cent of students around Australia are enrolled in Catholic and independent schools saves state, territory and Commonwealth governments billions of dollars every year.

    The savings to the taxpayer represent the additional cost to government if the private school sector closed and students had to be enrolled in state schools.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-funding-private-schools-is-a-smart-idea-20140203-31×70.html

  56. squawkbox

    I see Doomlord has paroled the spud peeler

  57. Robber Baron

    Useful idiot with a Ph.D. She has a Ph.D! That makes everything she says more important. Ph.D!

  58. squawkbox

    There are two reasons parents fork out the dosh to have their kids educated privately.
    1. With entrance exams, they know that their kids will be keeping company with other children who have at least a minimum standard of intelligence and motivation
    2. They know that anyone who fails to measure up to that standard can be kicked out without any excuse. One attention-seeking troublemaker can disrupt a class to the extent that no-one learns anything.

    The public sector could introduce both of these criteria, like the old grammar schools in the UK, and if they did it would kill the private sector stone dead. However, that would be assuming an intelligent, educated and motivated end-product is desirable from the point of view of our lords and masters. Particularly when our lords and masters are worrying about the prospects of their privately educated Tarquins and Jemimas competing for uni places against the Kevins and Kylies.

  59. Dr Farrelly believes that parents and guardians should have no say whatsoever in what or where their children are taught.

    That this thought is uttered out aloud in major broadsheet should worry the hell out of everyone. She is basically arguing that the intellectual and moral education of your children is not your business but the government’s, and therefore, that the government is entitled to educate your child contrary to your conscientiously held beliefs.

  60. Tom

    Numbers is back (@6.50pm). Great.

  61. squawkbox

    Numbers is back (@6.50pm). Great.

    Those spuds won’t peel themselves

  62. Tintarella di Luna

    There is no such thing as a “private school” in this country.
    There are, however plenty of subsidised schools.
    No need to ban them – just call them what they are.

    There sure are plenty of subsidised schools – the fully subsidised ones are public schools, the partly subsidised ones are in fact parent-funded schools, so yes let’s call them what they are. Parents fund their children’s education in non-government schools in after tax dollars.

    Every child attending a parent-funded school saves the taxpayer each year at least $5000 or more- so on the latest figures that would cost the Australian taxpayer in the order of $6.646 billion more a year if all non-government schools closed their doors – Elizabeth Farrelly’s ignorance knows no bounds. It would do the world a big favour is she would apply her bloated prose on the subjects in which she has a Piled High and Deep Degree.

  63. Tintarella di Luna

    I can’t even begin to contemplate this utter shit. Shut private schools and the public system implodes. Forget all the smokescreens about privilege or wealth or religion … the state simply could not afford to take over the private system.

    The most beautiful poke in the eye to the establishment donkeys was by the Bishop John Cullinane Bishop of Goulburn. In July, 1962 the Bishop closed 6 Catholic schools in the diocese because they didn’t have the money for three more toilets in one school and there was no state aid to build them so he closed the other catholic schools as well.

    The Bishop told the parents to enrol their children in the government schools in the area – 2000 children turned up but only about 600 or so could be accommodated. And the whole non-government school funding took so much longer to achieve because it was the Catholics who lead the way but sectarianism prevented the rest of the church schools coming on board. So the Catholics in the end got the better deal because of their unity and steadfast determination to see that their taxes would provided education for their children too.

  64. Megan

    I did think the earlier invitation to the spud peeler was a bit of a risk. So nice not to have to endure the ramblings of the permanently aggrieved. Although there is Malcolm. Or Rae.

  65. Tintarella di Luna

    Now I’ve had a hard day at work and may not be thinking clearly but how can 1/3 of students receiving only 1/4 of available funding be translated into the 1/3 (private school students) getting

    Almost two-thirds as much as each public one

    Please someone explain this to me.

    I’ll explain Dianeh — because the duplicitous lying scum only take into account the commonwealth money that is allocated. It is the states which provide 80% of education for government schools but that figure is always left out of the reckoning. You know here in NSW we have an education minister that did not know the state provided 80% of the funding for government schools while the federal government provided the balance of 20%.

    There is a higher figure of Commonwealth funding going to the private school sector because the state government only every pays students in non-government schools a maximum of 25% of the Average Government School Recurrent cost – (i.e.what it costs to educate a student in a government school) but not every students is funded at that level, there is a sliding scale based on Economic measures so a student with parents who are well off going to say Sydney Grammar might only get something like $13 (if that) per child from the state government while the federal government might pay $1000 per student, remembering the average cost to educate a high school students in a government school is about $12,000 – so if there are 1200 students at Sydney Grammar in high school the amount from the federal government at $1000 per student would be about $12million dollars but the state funding @ $13 per student would be about $15,600 —

    My figures might be a bit out as I have been out of the loop for about 7 years but that’s the nub of the education funding equation.

  66. Mooka

    The most obvious example of how badly Governments are at anything is when they control the
    production of food. Hunger and up to mass starvation always follows.
    In the eighties, when the communists still controlled the USSR, they were our biggest buyers of Australian wheat. Now that they have private producers of grain growing they are our biggest competitors in the wheat market.

  67. Spring is near

    ,….and we should let the children name themselves. I can tell you now my son Spiderman is doing rather well…’

  68. In a previous life I worked in support of kids with disabilities across a range of schools in SW Queensland, most of them rural and remote. Until the Catholics employed their own consultant, I worked across both State and private schools. I got to know the families well. On at least three occasions, I was asked by parents to intercede on behalf of kids who had been refused enrolment at private boarding schools on the basis of their disability, after completing their primary programme at the bush school,. These parents could afford the fees, and two families already had students (able bodied older siblings) at the boarding school in question. My advice was to take the issue to the HR commission, but being laid back bush parents, they didn’t want to deal with the aggro. Eventually one parent did, a and conciliation was arranged. I was pro bono for the family. The most amazing part of the hearing was listening to the (very expensive) solicitor representing the school arguing that they “didn’t cater” for students with disabilities, despite the large chunks of taxpayer money they were receiving in subsidies. The school eventually (and grudgingly) accepted enrolment, but the parents decided in the end to send their son (with mild hemiplegia) to a nearby state high – a decision which involved two hours daily on a bus. They believed that there would be too much pressure on the lad, after the complaint. Same lad ended up getting an IT job with one of the mining companies in the Surat basin.

  69. Blair

    “There is no such thing as a “private school” in this country.
    There are, however plenty of subsidised schools.
    No need to ban them – just call them what they are.”
    All schools in Australia are subsidized, starting with public schools with a 100 percent subsidy.

  70. win

    Barking Betty can relax my old private school where to their credit head girls lash out had a teacher planting crosses in the primary school garden for what ever the current left wing politico /social justice agitation was occurring at the time.

  71. Sydney Boy

    The biggest thing the private school fees I paid for my daughters was the front gate. Disruptive students, drug dealers, sexual assaulters, etc. were all prevented from entering; or if they managed to slip in, were later removed.

  72. Nerblnob

    parents selling their houses for school fees

    Parents selling their houses to move away from bad state schools is the reality.

  73. John Constantine

    A bit of peace and prosperity in the former Soviet Union will lock in a profitless boom in Australian wheat growing, requiring new bred varieties, high fertiliser inputs constant spraying, ( Sometimes with paraquat) and massive machinery and infrastructure.

    Just to keep competing on low price massive bulk coming off the fields of the Black sea and the Steppes now the dead weight of communism has lifted off them.

  74. struth

    Nobody has yet commented about timing.

    The whole point of this is timing after SSM vote.

    Right now the left are framing the next issue to be pushed and the right are “reacting” just as we see here.

    Now it’s Marxist aim to crush western families by officially taking “father” and “mother” out of the paperwork and indeed out of our language, as was the sole aim of all this, it’s complete control and indoctrination of the kiddies is near complete.
    I actually stated a while back that this would be the next step.
    Banning home education and private schools.
    Strange that she writes this now………………………………………not at all.
    We are at war.
    We know their strategy.
    Alinsky and the Frankfurt school, etc.

    Yet we never attack.
    We only defend, using weapons that have no effect.
    Truth and common sense are not weapons as they are irrelevant to these types.

    An attack would be defunding.
    We need to make all schools private and take all education funding away.
    Where it can be proven that a family cannot afford to send their children to school, then a subsidy should go to the family, never the institution.
    If this is not done, they will win.
    It is that simple and you know it to be true.
    It all starts in our schools.
    They know it.
    They get it.
    They must get at the kids.
    Their hatred of the west never rests.

    If the right continues to just “react” to what we know is coming, or at least should know, and to react by just arguing the point, we lose our civilisation.

    Once they have achieved complete access to the children, and outlawed private education, kiss your arse goodbye.
    The next step is to seriously ban any comment that is not Marxist and Socialist and to get the kids to dob in their “carers”(not even parents anymore), probably achievable at this rate in about three years.

  75. duncanm

    https://twitter.com/emfarrelly/status/449142434803376128

    Hypocrisy? Short memory? Wildly inconsistent?

    Barking Betty’s own linkedin profile states she went to Epsom Girls Grammar in Auckland.
    http://www.eggs.school.nz/home/home.aspx

    Hypocrite, much?

    I believe her daughters attended Sydney Girls High, though.

    (ps: she’s listed her BA and PhD against her high school).

  76. notafan

    Hear hear Tints.

    Parent subsidized education is what we should call it all the time.

  77. stackja

    Female Birrong teacher charged over sex with student, 15
    The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only
    A FEMALE teacher has been charged with 16 counts of aggravated sexual assault against a male student at a high school in Birrong in 1997.

    Police investigating the alleged child sex offences will allege the boy was 15 and the time and the teacher 27.

  78. The BigBlueCat

    It’s not just that Farrelly wrote that garbage, but that an editor at Fairfax thought it worthy of being published!!!!

  79. duncanm

    Female Birrong teacher charged over sex with student, 15

    odds on she won’t get 3 years in prison.

  80. stackja

    duncanm
    #2582445, posted on December 12, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Yes!

  81. struth

    You’ve got to keep it simple and work on emotion.

    Everything above in arguing with lefties about this issue is correct.
    Yet I am fast learning that (if replies were allowed) the best response would be, why do you want to force children in to dens of p…..philia?
    The public education system has the worst record when it comes to sexual abuse of children of any.

    Now this is true, however, even if it wasn’t true, it doesn’t matter.
    That’s what they do.

  82. min

    I am a product of a Sydney selective school back in the days when if daddy had money then private school was for you however the selective schools had more prestige . The chaff was well and truly sorted from the wheat and a two language selective school was the aim.
    However in Melbourne private school was the way to go. I taught in government schools in 3 states sent my boys to private school in Melbourne even though they were offered places in a very good selective school. I went back to University and changed careers as teaching had become unionised, standards dropped and teachers were not prepared to stay back and take the extras that private school teachers do. This maybe different now but it was the extras whether music, sport etc that were only available in private schools . All my grandchildren have attended private schools and are doing well . Based on my experience , teachers in private schools are prepared to give more.

  83. calli

    I believe her daughters attended Sydney Girls High, though.

    Ahhh…now I get it! It was a typo.

    This is manifestly unfair. Private Selective schools heighten inequality, privileging the privileged, hogging the teaching talent and siphoning off kids already equipped with reading backgrounds, so depriving the public system of beneficial peer-to-peer learning.

    That’s better.

  84. min

    An after thought , the worst thing that was done in Victoria was the closing of Technical schools by Kirner. Labor wanted everyone equal and going to uni . This has led to the problem of males not doing so well at school.

  85. Judith Sloan

    I presume she supports banning selective high schools where her children attend because they are manifestly unfair.

  86. duncanm

    Judith Sloan
    #2582496, posted on December 12, 2017 at 10:37 am
    I presume she supports banning selective high schools where her children attend because they are manifestly unfair.

    Indeed.

    Farrelly says:

    It buys a system that deliberately tribalises children before they can read, that has parents selling their houses for school fees,

    but parents are (much) more commonly selling and purchasing to be within the catchment of selective public schools.

    So much so that it drives up houses prices in those areas. How tribalising is that!

  87. Are her teenagers being educated?
    If so, public or private?

    Public. And my guess would be it hasn’t turned out too well for them so like every other piece of Socialist vermin she is lashing out and demanding the enstupidification of every other child rather than admit she made a bad call. Dragging everyone and everything DOWN to the same level is the aim of every Socialist scum. Equality of stupidity for all comrades!

  88. Damienski

    I was foolish enough to read Dr Farrelly’s article before I saw this post. I saw who had written it and some morbid curiosity caused me to read it.

    I feel stupider for having so sullied my eyeballs trying to unscramble the illogicality and follow the tortured reasoning.

    I predict that Tim Blair will skewer Dr Farrelly beautifully – yet again.

    Severely educated, indeed.

  89. notafan

    The competitions for selective entry high schools in intense, they certainly should go in a but fair! system.

    Same for the postcode prestige ones

    Make all teaching positions at those one year contract maximum only.

    We should also introduce school bussing in places like Fitzroy.

    Every school a multi culti school.

  90. Farrelly should be make to live in public housing and her dwelling (contents incl.) should be bulldozed.

  91. Elizabeth is SO wrong on this one.

    A visit to almost any public school in the junior school will make it apparent why we have dropped like a stone in international ranking in literacy and numeracy. Teacher directed learning has been replaced with student directed learning – clearly emphasised by the rearrangement of the very rooms in which the “teaching” takes place. The neatly arranged desks of the past, facing the teacher, have been replaced by large tables in which students sit, facing each other. The teacher (I was informed he/she is now really a “learning facilitator”) is at a desk in the corner of the room. I have witnessed “lessons” of just 10 minute segments taught to these little groups, as the teacher moves from table to table. Then they all move on to new topics. Truly.

    I don’t think I have ever visited my grandchildren’s school & not seen climate change messages or topics currently on the whiteboard (no blackboards today). The last time I was there I also noted a “safe room” where I assume bullied children could flee to, and items displayed permanently of a project on “the stolen generations”. It said it all.

    The children are now in private schools and are thriving, though I still am concerned with their state senior school curricula. But at least excellence, personal discipline and hard work is promoted and rewarded.

  92. Stimpson J. Cat

    hogging the teaching talent

    Teaching talent?
    What Teaching talent?

  93. Kneel

    even the most expensive schools add nothing to educational outcome.

    Well, duh!
    What they DO provide is a social network – the “old boys” club, as it were.
    The fees get your kid into the “club”. This gives them an advantage when looking for paid work – just like having a certificate to prove you know a certain topic does. Not always required, not a guarantee, but a help.

  94. notafan

    even the most expensive schools add nothing to educational outcome

    Has been ever so about the social networks

    Was the reason Lord Byron was sent to Harrow (I read his bio many years ago)

  95. duncanm

    Female Birrong teacher charged over sex with student, 15

    This will be a very interesting one to watch.

    It is now two students, both 15 at the time.

    So we have not only under the usual legal age of consent (16), but well below the 18yo age of consent when the party is in authority role (teacher).

    South coast male teacher was just put away for 3 years in gaol for offences against a 16 and 17yo.

  96. struth

    It doesn’t matter if she is right or wrong.
    When does that stop them?

    It is that this is the next step to be pushed and drowning out opposition is all that is required.
    Screaming louder.
    They have already indoctrinated the generations younger than forty to fairly extreme leftism and the minority they didn’t get mentally assaulted doesn’t matter.
    The immigration is there because Australia is aging.
    That isn’t a problem economically, it’s a problem politically.
    Older tend to vote right wing.
    This must be counteracted.
    Get as many left wing voters on the public teat as possible.

    We lose because we talk amongst ourselves and don’t do a lot about things.

    The NFL in the States is hurting because it’s left wing got defunded.
    Is our AFL (I know it’s summer now).
    Would Australians still go to watch footy (Melbournians in particular) no matter how left win g the AFL gets, indeed Marxist?

    Of course they would.
    This is why we lose.
    We must defund public education or we will lose our civilisation.
    Forget fighting them.
    Fight the pollies on our side who aren’t fighting for our side.
    They are supposed to represent.
    They should be seen as our lackies, as the constitution intended.

  97. egg_

    Beyond parody.
    There’s a belfry somewhere missing a frightbat.

  98. Mon

    China had a go at taking control of education and that did not work.
    Is that what that creature wants for Australian education.
    What a drop kick.

  99. Winny

    “everything from climate change to feminism”

    Doesn’t seem much of a spectrum.

  100. AP reporting Jones has won. Via Drudge.

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