Now here is a statisic

The Hon. Bob Carr had published an opinion piece in the Australian todat about Australia-China relations.  Here is one particular line:

Its (China’s) public sector (even including state-owned enterprises) is a smaller proportion of its workforce than Australia’s.

There you go.  Australia has a larger per capita public sector work force than does a Communist state.

Impressive!

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38 Responses to Now here is a statisic

  1. Confused Old Misfit

    Impressive? But What does it Mean & Why is it So?

  2. Roger

    Don’t believe Bob Carr, Sparty.

    Including SOEs, the Chinese figure is close to 50%, Australia c. 20%.

  3. Chris

    Wow, the hostility in comments at that article is pretty solid.

    Richard 57 MINUTES AGO
    In summary, kowtow.

    peter 59 MINUTES AGO
    I move that the member be no longer heard.

    Graham 1 HOUR AGO
    That was a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Chinese Party, now back to Peppa Pig.

    Kevin 1 HOUR AGO
    Did your Chinese puppet masters write that for you Bob?

    Mike Ryan 1 HOUR AGO
    More China appeasement from our former FM?
    There must be a book in this Bob.

    kingsley 1 HOUR AGO
    Talk about trying to rewrite it. Yes, probably thought if we wear Japan out it will save Australia down the track. Give us a break.

  4. Roger

    Carr has about as much credibility as the Chinese Foreign Dept spokesman who derided Australia for not being multicultural.

    He joins Hawke, Keating, Shorten and Dastyari in the long Conga line of suckholes on the Labor side of politics [HT Mark Latham]wending its way ’round Chinatown. We’ll need to see a few bodies swinging from lamp posts – metaphorically speaking, of course – before they get the message that the general public regard them as duplicitous turds.

  5. H B Bear

    Roger, you do know his wife is Asian?

    /sarc

  6. H B Bear

    Used Carr’s stats are BS. Once a Liar always a liar.

  7. Cassie of Sydney

    You do mean the dishonourable Bob Carr don’t you?

  8. Motelier

    This comment is the one that keeps on giving.

    Any Australian Government that brags about our public service should be shown this comment by Carr.

    Tip to ScoMo, use this as a reason to drastically cull the Aust Public Service. Don’t call it a night of long knives, call it “Cleaning out the swamp”. Opps, hang on, thats already been used.

  9. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    What’s with Australian Foreign Ministers and their love of Chinese cash?

    Downer, Carr and Bishop should all be in jail for treason.

  10. Lutz

    The Chinese government is also able to sack 2 million civil servants in one go. (10% of the total).

  11. Kneel

    “You do mean the dishonourable Bob Carr don’t you?”

    Maybe.
    Regardless, he is still a member!

  12. DM OF WA

    Roger
    #2582551, posted on December 12, 2017 at 11:10 am
    Don’t believe Bob Carr, Sparty.

    Including SOEs, the Chinese figure is close to 50%, Australia c. 20%.

    This is closer to the truth but still not useful in this context!

    Don’t forget all the businesses nominally privately but owned and operated by “retired” PLA officers with clandestine links to the PLA.

    And what about all the “private” enterprises which are required by law to cooperate with a CCP office located inside the company? Exactly how free are they?

    The fact is that there is no meaningful distinction between public and private space in a totalitarian regime like the PRC. This article is pure garbage not worthy of republication on this website.

  13. I am Spartacus

    Don’t forget all the businesses nominally privately but owned and operated by “retired” PLA officers with clandestine links to the PLA.

    Equally don’t forget all the consultants, advisors and contractors who are funded by the state but not counted on the government’s headcount books.

  14. Up The Workers!

    I can recall the A.L.P. saying a few years ago that the expenditure of a lousy few million dollars of taxpayers’ funds, was a small price to pay, if it preserved and protected the whole Australian Carr Industry.

    Good to see in today’s Pravda that BOTH halves of the A.L.P.’s multi-million dollar Carr Industry – Bob Carr and Kim Carr – are still vigorously wallowing in the taxpayers’ trough and showing absolutely no signs of being in the slightest danger of dying of starvation anytime soon.

    Pity about those tens of thousands of now-unemployed peasants, peons and ex-Union Member suckers who used to make automobiles in Australia, but that’s what happens to losers without a productive role to play in today’s globally networked “progressive” society.

    Exports are the big thing today, and the A.L.P. is BIG on exports .

    They have exported tens of thousands of former Australian manufacturing jobs to China in recent times, and millions of dollars have been earned by the facilitators of those exports and have been passed under the table in time-honoured Union tradition, in brown-paper bags.

    Maybe the trickle-down effect will result in a few crumbs reaching the tables of the peasantry, once the millionaire members of the A.L.P.’s Carr Industry elite have satiated themselves…eventually?

  15. mrwashout

    What’s a “statisic”? 🙂

  16. mh

    We should remember that Andrew Robb was sent to China to negotiate the ‘Free’ Trade Agreement. Upon returning, Robb resigned from politics and joined the board of the Chinese company that now owns the Port of Darwin – a strategic defence facility.

    Robb later called Alan Jones “racist” because Jones raised concerns about Chinese investments in Australia.

  17. Roger

    Add Andrew Robb to the Conga line of suckholes.

    Any others?

  18. Bruce

    mrwashout
    #2582813, posted on December 12, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    What’s a “statisic”? 🙂

    A typographical error? Like the well-known “Goon”, Spike Miligna.

    However, per Mark Twain:

    “There are three kinds of lies:

    Lies,

    Damned Lies and

    STATISTICS”.

  19. Squirrel

    A highly questionable claim, as others have noted, but if there’s any truth to it, it serves as a reminder that our elections – federal/state/territory – have long since become bidding wars , a problem which the Chinese Communist Party does not have to deal with.

    The best thing the Chinese, and other creditors, could do for Straya is to cut off the supply of cheap, easy credit – that would go a long way towards dealing with our epidemic of public and private profligacy.

  20. Jim Hutchison

    Sorry Cats

    The post quoting Bob Carr has a couple of troubling implications:

    > Bob Carr’s comment suggests that he knows little about economics [this is a great truth that has been clear to me ever since Carr floated to the surface in the Right wing section of the NSW Labor party. He was a a dud premier and he is a dud political commentator.]

    > The repeated comment might suggest that the repeater knows little about economics

    China is a huge country which has third or fourth world status. It is a communist dictatorship in which the present dictator is tightening the strings of control from the centre such that even village head men in the distant provinces must be approved in Beijing.

    Malcolm Turnbull is a probably the worst PM that Australia has ever had. That is astonishing when we recall Billy McMahon ……

    But on China Turnbull has been correct to tell the Chinese dictator to back off. China is a behomoth that must be resisted at every opportunity if Australia is to run its own show.

  21. dopey

    The domino theory could be making a comeback.

  22. Rabz

    That is astonishing when we recall Billy McMahon …

    And St Gough and Pantsoff and Keato and Krudd and Juliar …

  23. Token

    Under the steel cut oats munching taxhoover’s time in charge of NSW the # and cost of public employees grew by how much?

    The growth in Chinese government stylecorruption by the Obeids, et al was similarly strong.

    He is the heart of the problem he reports on.

  24. Leo G

    What’s a “statisic”?

    A two-population test statistic which fails a t-test?

  25. André M.

    >> The domino theory could be making a comeback.

    That seems like an ill-defined theory. According to such a theory exactly when did Australia fall to Communism? Was it
    a) the Australia Act of 1986?
    b) the Rio Earth summit in 1992?
    c) the ratification of the Kyoto protocol in 1997?
    d) the $700 cheques of Rudd-money in 2009?
    e) the adoption of the G20 Financial Stability Board’s bail-in policy in 2013?

    It seem less like a sharp event such as a domino collision and more like a prolonged process such as rust – turning red slowly.

  26. J.H.

    Motelier
    #2582678, posted on December 12, 2017 at 12:48 pm
    This comment is the one that keeps on giving.

    Any Australian Government that brags about our public service should be shown this comment by Carr.

    Tip to ScoMo, use this as a reason to drastically cull the Aust Public Service. Don’t call it a night of long knives, call it “Cleaning out the swamp”. Opps, hang on, thats already been used.
    —————————————————————————————————————

    How about ‘Pumpin’ the bilge’, then?….. Black putrid water full of stagnant snake oil…. Pump the friggin’ lot over the side.

  27. bobby b

    I can’t read the article because it’s a pay site.

    But I read your quote, and my first thought was that he was condemning the bloated and overmanned Australian government.

    (“Look, the commies don’t even need as many public employees as we do!”)

    Wrong interpretation?

  28. Blair

    I guess there’s still a lot of farm and factory workers in China.

  29. John Constantine

    Their Australian banking sector depends on implied State ‘too big to fail’backing, and applies social engineering policies like chicom State controlled enterprises do.

    Keep looking at crony deals that prop up crony big business with crony big union and crony quisling government links in Australia.

    The only difference is that there is an extra layer for deniability in Australian State controlled enterprises compared to Chinese ones.

    Saying there is much if a difference between union super funds owning something and the chicom pla owning something is just arguing over degrees.

    The workers are going to be screwed regardless.

  30. Stan

    Bobby, you can read it by googling this (say): public sector (even including state-owned enterprises) is a smaller proportion of its workforce than Australia’s

    and then clicking on the google result.

  31. braddles

    Carr’s claim is not a statistic, it is an assertion. There are no actual numbers or cited sources.

  32. Up The Workers!

    There are lies, damned lies and Bob Carr.

    When was the last time a rank and vile member of the Australian Liars Party ever troubled him/her/itself to dabble in the entirely unfamiliar realm of mere “facts” anyway? They are as unacquainted with mere “facts” as they are with such obscure abstract concepts as honesty, decency, walking-upright-and-chewing-gum-at-the-same-time, and integrity.

  33. bobby b

    Stan: it worked. Thanks.

  34. Bear Necessities

    Moore was a piss poor candidate in Alabama but it shows a few things:

    1. Moore won the Primary as an incendiary candidate due to the GOP having the House, Senate and President and were unable to pass any meaningful change or reform to ObamaCare. Basically the GOP lost the seat then.
    2. Ryan, McConnell and Trump must work together to get any meaningful/useful legislation to pass. For instance they are working together to get the Tax bill through. Whether it is useful or not is up for debate.
    3. Bannon’s luck has run out. He attached himself to Trump and he believed he was the messiah. Trump only had to beat Hillary and her awful campaign. Moore couldn’t even beat a Liberal in Alabama!

  35. Bear Necessities

    Oops wrong Fred.

  36. For fuck’s sake, in the last month i’ve agreed with Peter Fitzsimons, Mike Carlton, Chris Kenny (the bad one), and now Bob Carr.

    Aliens, please nuke us from space, just to be certain.

  37. gary

    McMahon had unemployment at 2.25%, govt spending at 16% of GDP, taxation at 18% of GDP, a budget surplus of 2%, a strong miliary including 2 aircraft carriers and a homogenous peaceful community. McMahon was the last competent PM Australia has had. All PMs since then have worked against Australia.

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