Bennelong By-election Forum 2017

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137 Responses to Bennelong By-election Forum 2017

  1. NormaP

    Results are coming in at the ABC site. Nothing doing at the AEC yet.

  2. Habib

    Whoever you vote for government wins.

  3. a reader

    I’m going to go on a limb and say that Australian Conservatives and Christian Democrats will decide this.

  4. NormaP

    ABC have now removed the results they had. Weird.

  5. nemkat

    An Alexander win will be spun as a vindication of Turnbull.
    So, go Bambi.

  6. Peter Castieau

    I’m with a reader and hope the final count rests with the preferences from AC and CD.

    AC members are hoping for 10% because if that was replicated nationally in a half senate election we would get six senators elected.

  7. calli

    KKK needs to be humiliated for her low quality lies. Standards must be preserved.

  8. Marcus

    Here’s your answer, Norma:

    18:04 – Welcome to tonight’s by-election coverage. Zero figures now published. I had some left over graphic test numbers I published by mistake.

  9. P

    Thanks for this dedicated thread.

  10. Damienski

    Standards must be preserved.

    What that be low standards or double standards? That would be the complete range available in the ALP toolkit.

  11. Marcus

    AC members are hoping for 10% because if that was replicated nationally in a half senate election we would get six senators elected.

    They should be happy with six or seven. That would match what the CDP got last year in Bennelong in a smaller field.

  12. A Lurker

    +1 to what Peter wrote.

  13. Peter Castieau

    The body politic is at the lowest ebb I can recall in my lifetime. ( or perhaps it was worse under Whitlam but I was too young to know) and the power lies with the people to dismantle the nexus of Labor and Labor-lite.

    Don’t vote for them!

  14. jock

    Ok i know . Mysoginist. Keneally isnt bad on the eye, but that voice really grates on me. Anybody else?

  15. A Lurker

    If you want a giggle at ABC bias, check out their Candidate descriptions (3/4 down the page). Especially compare and contrast the Conservatives (ALA & Aus.Conservatives) vs the Friends of the ABC (the Greens and Australian Progressives) and note the complete absence of a description for the Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group).

  16. Dave in Marybrook

    Voice is fine by me, Jock- although it’s accented persistence betrays that she lives in an echo chamber.

  17. Tropical

    One thing is for sure.
    Win, lose or draw Squelley Kenneally will not be going back to Sky.
    She is widely despised by the majority of presenters as she is rabidly litigious within the Sky workplace.
    There is not one on air presenter that has not received a letter from Squealley Kennelley’s lawyer.
    The only person that would work with her is her fellow moron Peter Van Wrongalot.

  18. Dave in Marybrook

    Is Kate Ellis eyeing KKK’s seat alongside PvO?

  19. Baldrick

    Yes, the Australian Conservatives vote will be interesting tonight.

    With 2 high profile major party candidates, 6 or 7% will be good. Anything on top of that, a bonus.

  20. Rabz

    #foreignerswhores&quislings

  21. Peter Castieau

    A Lurker,

    I just went over to your link for TheirABC and it’s precisely why I visit regularly the false narrative that is the national broadcaster.
    If I was ever elected to public office I would focus on the ABC (along with commonwealth grants commission- GST) as my two policy areas of priority.

  22. Baldrick

    Win, lose or draw Squelley Kenneally will not be going back to Sky.

    As everybody is well aware she’ll be parachuted into the Senate to fill Dastyari’s vacancy.
    Either way it’s a lose-lose for Australian politics.

  23. Tropical

    “Is Kate Ellis eyeing KKK’s seat alongside PvO?”

    Don’t think so. Wrongalot has disappeared from the screen.
    The lefty bimbo Laura Jayes has replaced him.
    KKK was tried in a number of slots but was forever being shown up as the intellectual
    and morally bankrupt, lefty fool she is.

  24. Rabz

    Either way it’s a lose-lose for Australian politics.

    Voters: We don’t want that grating vacuous illiterate innumerate ahistorical criminal yank imbecile, who’s the biggest loser in this country’s political history.
    Layba: Tough titties, you’re getting it regardless. 🙂

  25. H B Bear

    What will the Chunks have done?

    As JA was a Waffleworth supporter it would be nice to see him rolled by the Liars GerUp Union machine.

  26. nemkat

    With 3 0f 39 polling places in Alexander is on 47%.
    Sustainable Australia,
    Science Party,
    Australian Peoples Party,
    Affordable Housing Party [seriously, in Sydney?] and
    Australian Progressives will preference Kenneally 99% of the time, but have under 4% of the vote..

  27. H B Bear

    Err that would be Chinks.

  28. Baldrick

    Early days yet but a -6% swing against Alexander won’t be enough for Keneally.
    A 5% vote for the Australian Conservatives is okay, but not great.

  29. Rabz

    Has there ever been a more blatant attempt to lose a seat in the lower house of the federal legislature in this joke of a country’s relatively short history?

    I’m talking both parties, BTW.

  30. nemkat

    Seeing why KKK would rather 6 years in the Senate versus being a oncer in Bennelong, and Shorten is in no hurry to see the back of the Waffler, but why would Alexander be going into the tank, Rabz?

  31. Bear Necessities

    Good – KK is electoral poison. Tit’s Captains pick is as good as Gillard’s, Rudd’s and Abbott’s.
    Bad – Keeps Turnbull in the PM slot.
    Ugly – Australian Politics.

  32. notafan

    Much alp sooking on Twitter.
    Also encouraging comments to KK calling her gf.

    She’s a Yankee people not an African American.

    abc

  33. Marcus

    Early days yet but a -6% swing against Alexander won’t be enough for Keneally.
    A 5% vote for the Australian Conservatives is okay, but not great.

    Looks like they may underperform the polls slightly, while the Christian Democrats may beat them by about the same amount.

  34. a reader

    AC and FNCD seem to be hte only ones with non-smug ABC photos

  35. Robber Baron

    Dear Santa.

    All l want for Christmas is for the Turnbull Coalition Team to disappear from Australian politics. Please make it so.

    Lemonade and biscuits will be waiting for you on the mantle.

  36. notafan

    All over according to Antony Green.

    Saw hello to Senator Kenneally

  37. alexnoaholdmate

    Tim Blair has a photo over at his blog, of Malcolm and John Alexander taking a selfie together. Somehow, in the lower right of the screen, a little lap dog has managed to impose himself into the photo.

    Blair’s caption – “Malcolm Turnbull, John Alexander and Christopher Pyne pose for a Bennelong selfie…”

  38. Josh

    Decent portion of AC votes coming from CDP.

  39. As I wrote last week, neither Bernardi’s ACP, nor the ALA, are likely to get even the 6% to qualify for public electoral funding. Minor and fledgling parties need to concentrate on the Senate until they have a foothold of influence.

    Running for seats in the HoR, especially in a by-election and doing poorly, has far worse outcomes than simply wasting a lot of scarce money, time and effort. It destroys the will and drive of the volunteers on the ground, a party’s most valuable asset. The simple moral of the story is – if you can’t be assured of a decent result, don’t run.

    Results to date predict a knife edge all the way down to the wire. Impossible to call yet.

  40. Bear Necessities

    With a lot of pre poll and postal votes AC should get over 5% of the vote, maybe closer to 6%. That would be a pass mark.

    In a general election AC would get a higher senate vote and maybe a senate seat from NSW.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As I wrote last week, neither Bernardi’s ACP, nor the ALA, are likely to get even the 6% to qualify for public electoral funding. Minor and fledgling parties need to concentrate on the Senate until they have a foothold of influence.

    I thought that was Corey Bernardi’s whole strategy, to run candidates for the Senate?

  42. Marcus

    Running for seats in the HoR, especially in a by-election and doing poorly, has far worse outcomes than simply wasting a lot of scarce money, time and effort. It destroys the will and drive of the volunteers on the ground, a party’s most valuable asset. The simple moral of the story is – if you can’t be assured of a decent result, don’t run.

    Nah, they had to run. Eventually you have to fly the flag for your supporters, and as a practical matter you have to test your support on the ground. Five or so percent is a respectable outcome (Kieran Gilbert even calls it “remarkable” coming from a “standing start”) and it might well have been more if John Alexander wasn’t the candidate, with his built-in personal vote boosting his primary by a couple of percent.

    Not to mention, it demonstrates that the ACs are a good prospect for funneling votes back to the Coalition, which can only help their bargaining position when it comes to negotiating preference deals with them for the Senate.

    The ALA? They seem to be done. But the real loser out of this has to be Bill Shorten and Labor. All that effort and a swing of less than five percent – ouch.

  43. nemkat

    Results to date predict a knife edge all the way down to the wire. Impossible to call yet.
    Greens vote is down, and the ALP stooges mentioned earlier can’t draw 4%.
    I’d be very surprised if the Liberals have ever lost PrePoll in Bennelong in the Seat’s 68 year history, and it’s clearly not happening tonite.
    It’s over.

  44. notafan

    The election was called about ten minutes ago by Antony Green

    Tony Burke has pretty much conceded in his commentary according to the Twitter feed.

  45. notafan

    Yup ALA are done.

    Close to 5% still for AC

    Not bad at all.

  46. I thought that was Corey Bernardi’s whole strategy, to run candidates for the Senate?

    It was. It’s marvelous what a little bit of hubris can do to an otherwise perfectly rational mind.
    Gold rushes happen for the same reason.

  47. Rae

    I thought that was Corey Bernardi’s whole strategy, to run candidates for the Senate?

    The strategy in Bennelong was to run interference for John Alexander.

  48. Peted

    Bennelong allowed Australian Conservatives to credibly overtake CDP as the party of the non-major right.

    CDP in Bennelong had an abnormally high vote in 2016, and combined with AC have increased it.

  49. Nah, they had to run. Eventually you have to fly the flag for your supporters, and as a practical matter you have to test your support on the ground.

    Tell that to Don Chip, or Bob Brown.
    Marcus, I wasn’t stating an opinion, I was recounting personal experience.

  50. A Lurker

    Yup ALA are done.

    Christian Dems. and ALA should merge with Aus. Conservatives and integrate the Centre-Right vote into one party. That way they’d get the AEC funding, and improve their visibility and reach.

  51. Rob MW

    Bernardi took off Mal what Lucy currently enjoys.

  52. feelthebern

    Sky coverage is nauseating.
    Christopher Pyne is at his penile worst.
    Keiran Gilbert just said that “we wont know if there was any China meddling in this election like there was with Russia & Trump for some time at least”.
    What a cock.

  53. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The ALA? They seem to be done. But the real loser out of this has to be Bill Shorten and Labor. All that effort and a swing of less than five percent – ouch.

    Anybody with the brains God gave a bullant could turn this into a public relations disaster for Bill Shorten and the Labor Party. All that effort, a swing of less then five percent, but don’t worry, we’ll look after the losing candidate – she’s off to the Senate.

  54. a reader

    I think it was always going to be a hard sell in a NSW byelection for ACP. The Christian Democrats have a strong tradition in NSW and they share a similar sort of voter demographic.

    Interestingly the combined ACP/CDP vote is higher than the greeens

  55. Nick

    Bernardi took off Mal what Lucy currently enjoys.

    Two inches?

  56. Bernardi took off Mal what Lucy currently enjoys.

    The only thing Bernardi took off Mal was $2.63 electoral funding per first preference.
    Other than that, his preferences will keep the Libs in power.
    Ah, the beauty of preferential voting – the more things change the more they stay the same.
    Regardless, another win for the National Socialist Coalition.

  57. egg_

    Bernardi took off Mal what Lucy currently enjoys.

    The pool man?

  58. alexnoaholdmate

    “You gotta build me up,
    Just to let me down…”

  59. candy

    Other than that, his preferences will keep the Libs in power.

    A foolish thing for Cory B. to do, given the SSM issue. Not consistent. It makes me wonder whether he hopes to rejoin the Libs if things don’t go well.

  60. C.L.

    Great captain’s pick, Bill.

  61. candy

    Great captain’s pick, Bill

    A poor choice. As you watched her glide around like a model in very expensive different frocks every day, associated in the past with the Obeids. Bill Shorten might be on dicey territory now.

  62. Baldrick

    Wow, just watching Keneally’s concession speech. Did she win?

  63. calli

    Eddie’s grrrrrl goooorn?

    Straight into the Senate.

  64. EvilElvis

    Christian Dems. and ALA should merge with Aus. Conservatives and integrate the Centre-Right vote into one party. That way they’d get the AEC funding, and improve their visibility and reach.

    Yeah great. Another conservative libertarian coupling. That’s going great for the libs. Let them build a conservative standard in the party before diluting their conservative nature. Then vet the shit out of any libertarian numptys that want in.

  65. hzhousewife

    KK gets what she was angling for all along, no wonder she was hyperactive on the hustings, pissed her off being called on one or two minor details last week, but the end game has come to fruition.

  66. Marcus

    Tell that to Don Chip, or Bob Brown.
    Marcus, I wasn’t stating an opinion, I was recounting personal experience.

    Well, I’d be interested to hear about your personal experience, but I’m also interested in what you think an acceptable result for AC would have been for a first outing? Or, for that matter, what you think a party should anticipate getting to make a lower-house run worthwhile?

    I’m not being hostile here. I’m genuinely curious.

  67. Baldrick

    Yep, Kristina’s fight in Bennelong has earned her a Senate seat. So courageous, so obnoxious.

  68. calli

    From the ABC: the SLF “excited at not winning”.

    We need more Not Winning. Lots more.

  69. Straight into the Senate.

    Of course.
    But a girl’s gotta break in those sensible campaigning shoes somewhere.
    It’s not as though you can wear heelless flatties to a summer garden party or anything.

  70. Rae

    Bit of a sympathy vote helped keep Alexander? More than a few dual citizens in Bennelong.

  71. calli

    And then The Burk (Traitor to His Electorate) criticises the NBN.

    Hello, earth to d*ckhead – who’s idea was the NBN?

  72. Dave in Marybrook

    A sticker for the first party member to claim “we sent Turnbull a message about … ”
    That’ll be KKK’s concession speech.
    Bear Necc, who was Abbott’s dud captain’s pick? Enlighten me please

  73. Rae

    Straight into the Senate.

    Not quite. Dastyari has to actually leave first.

  74. calli

    Awwww…that’s cute. And comfortable.

    The seat will still be warm.

  75. Gab

    Amazing. The Libs won.

    Either way, Australia loses.

  76. I’m also interested in what you think an acceptable result for AC would have been for a first outing?

    As far as the HoR is concerned, there isn’t one. The Treasury benches are more firmly in the grip of the National Socialist Coalition than ever. That’s the LIB/LAB/NAT/GRN coalition of the political class. Compulsory preferential voting ensures this situation is not going to change any time soon. The only way anybody else can influence government is via the Senate, and this where minor and fledgling parties should concentrate their resources and efforts.

    Or, for that matter, what you think a party should anticipate getting to make a lower-house run worthwhile?

    A realistic chance of winning.

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The seat will still be warm.

    And a big “Fvck you” to the taxpayers…

  78. calli

    And a big “Fvck you” to the taxpayers…

    But of course. Do you hear the dulcet tones of “Turnbull” and “we want John”? Yikes.

  79. Marcus

    A realistic chance of winning.

    Ah! Well, in that case the only new parties we’d ever see would be parties like PUP, based around a cult of personality with enough money to bankroll a massive public campaign. As it is, I quite like having the option of having parties like the Conservatives or the Australian Christians contesting in the lower house. I gave my vote to the latter at the last Federal election because it was the only way I could register my dissatisfaction with the two majors, and if I were a paid-up member of such a party I’d be disappointed if I didn’t have the option of voting for them.

  80. NB

    Memoryvault says, above: ‘National Socialist Coalition … LIB/LAB/NAT/GRN’. Yes.

  81. zyconoclast

    Yup ALA are done.

    I said on another thread that the ALA are dead, just did not know it yet.
    They should swallow the ego and merge with Bernardi’s mob.

    1% for ALA means nothing.
    An extra 1% for AC could get them over the line in the Senate.

  82. zyconoclast

    Bernardi took off Mal what Lucy currently enjoys.

    The pool man?

    @cpyne has the pool man well and truly.

  83. Ah! Well, in that case the only new parties we’d ever see would be parties like PUP, based around a cult of personality with enough money to bankroll a massive public campaign.

    Only if they are naive enough, like Palmer, to run for HoR seats. Depending on which figures you use, Clive threw between $12 million and $21 million at the election, and scored just one HoR seat. If he had spent that sort of money, and spent it wisely, on a targeted tilt at the Senate, he would probably hold the balance of power today.

    As it is, I quite like having the option of having parties like the Conservatives or the Australian Christians contesting in the lower house. I gave my vote to the latter at the last Federal election because it was the only way I could register my dissatisfaction with the two majors . . .

    You STILL don’t get it, do you? You voted Liberal.
    The more things change the more they stay the same.

  84. Robber Baron

    Could anyone bear Trumble’s victory speech? I lasted less than 10 seconds.

    Trumble has reached Gillard levels of loathing in my home.

    Landslide awaits you Maol.

  85. marcus classis

    ZK2A:

    Anybody with the brains God gave a bullant could turn this into a public relations disaster for Bill Shorten and the Labor Party.

    Ah well, that rules out Captain Clusterf*ck doing anything useful with it, then.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ah well, that rules out Captain Clusterf*ck doing anything useful with it, then.

    Doesn’t the Liberal Party have any head kickers – “Here’s the Labor Party. So sure they were going to win. All those volunteers, all the automated phone calls? All the resources poured in – Oh, that’s ok, they award the losing candidate a nice, safe Senate Seat?”

  87. Candy

    John Alexander makes a joke about the disabled in his victory speech. No wonder he was kept away from speaking during the campaign, he rambles. Some dementia there. I’m not convinced he knew where he was totally. The Libs would not let him out of their sight for the campaign, almost holding his hand.

  88. Gorgiasl

    I am in Hong Kong and a number of well-informed locals have commented on Turnbull’s strong anti-Chinese attitude. This has surprised me, and I have explained that it is total BS, but it shows how effective the Labor campaign and Sino Sam’s Chinese backers have been in slandering him.

    The shape of things to come

  89. Dr Faustus

    Bill Shorten is going into Christmas with a price on his head.

    The ALP grandees are well aware that the once Aardvark of Beaconsfied is loathed by the punters because he is actually a personally toxic little shit. Hard eyes in the union movement will be contemplating the mistake they made installing an electoral liability as Leader of the Opposition.

  90. Fisky

    The ALP ran this by-election on a platform of open treason. Disgraceful effort!

  91. Viva

    Move over Jeb! Meet low energy John.

  92. gabrianga

    Condolences to the Keneally supporter’ s club including Speers,van Onselen,Gilbert, Jayes and Connell who tried their hardest to get K.K. across the line.

    All we need now is a spill to be called for Leadership at the next Party Room meeting and clean out the Point Piper sewerage plant.

  93. A strong LNP would hope that KK is parachuted into the Senate.
    The tide of media sentiment was turning against her in the last hours of the campaign. Clever tacticians could expand on her problems given more time, and she would be a millstone around Shorten’s neck.

  94. Fisky

    Michael Smith News‏ @mpsmithnews
    23s24 seconds ago

    ABS reports immigration into Australia rose a massive 27% during the last financial year

    Good grief. How was this allowed to happen. We must shut down the scam at once! It is out of control.

  95. Up The Workers!

    Gee, even with the assistance of the A.L.P.’s traditional core of “vote early and vote often” dead voters AND the help of all the financially and politically A.L.P.-affiliated C.P.S.U. members of the Australian Electoral Commission handling the ballot-papers and doing the count, “Dishonest Eddie” Obeid’s anointed Corruptocrat STILL couldn’t get up.

    Maybe the season for a Party Federal Leader with a background mired in un-tested accusations of child molestation and rape, is over, and it is now time to lift the dignity and gravitas of the Party by giving the spouse of the convicted criminal former heroin-dealer a run?

    Then again, there is always the most famous recidivist client of the Marrickville “True Thai Rub-and-Tuggery” available to restore the Party reputation and personally lead Australia to a brothel-led economic recovery.

  96. Crossie

    Robber Baron
    #2586231, posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:32 pm
    Could anyone bear Trumble’s victory speech? I lasted less than 10 seconds.

    Trumble has reached Gillard levels of loathing in my home.

    Landslide awaits you Maol.

    Same with me, automatic channel change if Mal appears on the screen.

    With everything that Libs and Nats have done, or not done, under Turnbull how is it any different from what Labor would have done? We are going to get screwed whoever wins at the next election so I’m just looking for laughs and there are plenty.

    Here’s a belly laugh, last night on the Sky coverage they had only Pyne from the government’s side and I thought either nobody else will shill for Malcolm or the order went out that only the Black Hand members should be in charge from now on.

  97. Crossie

    Then again, there is always the most famous recidivist client of the Marrickville “True Thai Rub-and-Tuggery” available to restore the Party reputation and personally lead Australia to a brothel-led economic recovery.

    If Shorten goes how is Labor and eventually Australia better served by the mob waiting in the wings? Sleazy Albanese? No. The socialist Tania? No. That sneering berk Tony Burke? Hell, no.

    We are lead by a mob of jackals.

  98. cui bono

    I prefer our PM remain sober.

  99. GD

    John Alexander makes a joke … No wonder he was kept away from speaking … he rambles. Some dementia there. Libs would not let him out of their sight.

    Sad, but true, Candy. However, still the best outcome. Reasonable showing for the Cory’s mob. Bugger that the loser gets the consolation prize of a Senate seat. That was probably her aim in the first place. Much easier to lounge about in the Senate than actually do something for your constituents in Bennelong.

  100. Robbo

    “I’m going to go on a limb and say that Australian Conservatives and Christian Democrats will decide this.”

    Well that was a really good call, wasn’t it? Don’t give up your day job.

  101. Up The Workers!

    The Laboral Party’s Prime Quisling, Halal Mal, Shifty Nev Wrans’ Best Pal, is positively overjoyed (“Never had so much fun!”), having led his Laboral Party to a 6% swing towards the Labor corruptocracy, after having blown over one million first-preference votes that Tony Abbott had previously attracted to the Party, in the last Federal election.

    Just one more “win” like that, and Bull Shitten will be Prime Minister and the crooked Union “fugs” will be directly running the joint again instead of their temporary seat-warmer.

    After briefly poking her head out of “Dishonest Eddie” Obeids’ cavernous pocket, KKK will now be given her Senate “pay-off” of Slimy Sam Dastardly’s former Chinese-padded Sheltered Workshop seat and a taxpayer-funded Federal Parliamentary Pension, lurks, perks, schemes and scams-for-life.

    What does the future hold? Will she ever one day join her generous benefactor in that exclusive A.L.P. ‘gated community’ and retirement village along with his Left Testicle, Milton Orkopoulos, their toilet bucket, the soap-on-a-rope, former A.L.P. Federal President Michael Williamson luxuriating in the “A.L.P. Presidential Suite” and all the other Party colleagues and Union “fugs” currently residing there?

  102. Rebel with cause

    Polls off base again. Should’ve realised Chinese Australian voters have more sense than our journalist and political classes.

  103. stackja

    Rebel with cause
    #2586361, posted on December 17, 2017 at 8:35 am
    Polls off base again. Should’ve realised Chinese Australian voters have more sense than our journalist and political classes.

    Pollsters asking enough of the people? People not answering ‘racist’ poll questions?

  104. miltonf

    Also the stupid idea that a certain ethnic group will all vote as a block. As if they are not individuals. Cultural marxism/identity politics.

  105. stackja

    Looking at AEC, some negative big swings in some areas.

  106. Tintarella di Luna

    John Alexander makes a joke about the disabled in his victory speech. No wonder he was kept away from speaking during the campaign, he rambles.

    candy do you actually know what he said or have you just hoovered the BS – you have no idea what John Alexander has done in his electorate for people who are so severely disabled they cannot SPEAK let alone take to social media. John Alexander said that he had a severe back injury but managed to get back to No 14 in the World Tennis Rankings but the bloody doctor still said that his back was bad enough to get a parking permit,

    John Alexander was too proud to be a moocher because he could still walk and was not going to take a permit just because he could. I think candy that is a good anecdote IT WAS NOT AN EFFING JOKE — get your story straight candy before you pass judgment from your lofty moral high ground. Just saying.

  107. miltonf

    Good comment on Michael Smith’s site Perhaps more a sign of electors fearing a Shorten government rather than an endorsement of Turnbull??

  108. stackja

    miltonf
    #2586383, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:18 am
    Good comment on Michael Smith’s site Perhaps more a sign of electors fearing a Shorten government rather than an endorsement of Turnbull??

    Menzies had a gift from the ALP, Evatt.

  109. candy

    John Alexander was too proud to be a moocher because he could still walk and was not going to take a permit just because he could.

    He’s got a 4 million dollar property somewhere which he rents out for $1400 per day which he has been hiding. It’s easy for him to make fun of people with a genuine disability. You know, he’s an elitist. Not unusual in the top sections of politics, by any means.

    My point is, though he seems rambling and not clear and says things out of kilter. He was going around with longish unkempt hair and trouble keeping tidy there at the beginning of the campaign. Early dementia? I think he wanted to resign earlier when the citizenship issue came up, but they talked him into staying, despite him being unwell.

  110. Tintarella di Luna

    Good comment on Michael Smith’s site Perhaps more a sign of electors fearing a Shorten government rather than an endorsement of Turnbull??

    That is exactly right – they knew that a vote for she of the bad hair and nice legs would be a vote for BS and they are terrified of more BS than they’re getting from MT BS.

  111. miltonf

    The thing is yesterday’s result results means that the political class will just keep going on as they like and continue to treat the electorate with contempt.

  112. Tintarella di Luna

    It’s easy for him to make fun of people with a genuine disability.

    He’s NEVER made fun of anyone with a disability – and if you ascribe such a low act to him then I can only say you do not know what you are talking about, I do because I have seen John Alexander up close and personal particularly with people who have a genuine disability.

    and as for the rest of your comment:

    I think he wanted to resign earlier when the citizenship issue came up, but they talked him into staying, despite him being unwell.

    John Alexander, a man of integrity and character resigned to re-contest the election because he believed he might be in breach of s.44.2 of the Australian constitution — and as for his being unwell — you’re not just making stuff up are you candy?

  113. candy

    and as for his being unwell — you’re not just making stuff up are you candy?

    The Libs would not let him speak, Tintarella, and were almost holding his hand to guide him. He was simply not allowed to talk much at all.

    I’ve seen relatives mostly spouses do that when wife or husband has some signs of dementia and they seek to hide it or pretend it’s not happening.
    Just saying – that’s what it all reminds me of.

  114. Just Interested

    A look at the results:

    1. The Libs did pretty well in the middle class areas of the electorate, particularly in Ryde itself – a good result for them as that is one of the swingiest areas in Sydney. They did relatively poorly in the Asian oriented areas around Epping and Eastwood (and particularly bad around Carlingford – does anyone know why??).

    2. The ACs, ALAs CDPs and the other alphabets of the Christian/Conservative right need to amalgamate or they’ll not get Senate seats with preference leakages (bearing in mind voters can now cast above the line preferences themselves, and not have them allocated by the parties). The ACs result was only s0-so: not terrible, not terrific.

    3. When it comes to it, Delcons just can’t vote for Bill Shorten…….because you reallydo get Bill Shorten.

    Now, come the reshuffle.

  115. old bloke

    Fisky
    #2586296, posted on December 17, 2017 at 1:08 am

    Michael Smith News‏ @mpsmithnews
    23s24 seconds ago

    ABS reports immigration into Australia rose a massive 27% during the last financial year

    Good grief. How was this allowed to happen. We must shut down the scam at once! It is out of control.

    Out of control, that’s for sure. Yet the only party which said it will stop this scam received less than 1% of the Bennelong vote.

  116. candy

    The ACs, ALAs CDPs and the other alphabets of the Christian/Conservative right need to amalgamate

    Strength in numbers. They could become something like Conservative Democratic Party. A powerful name.
    They would need to attract West Sydney. That’s the beginning of success.

    Just dealing with ex Liberals supporters, well off social conservatives etc is a solid start will never cut it, it terms of numbers and success. They need to broaden and include ethnic groups and poorer conservatives.

  117. H B Bear

    Lord Waffles and his election winning machine limp on.

  118. nemkat

    They did relatively poorly in the Asian oriented areas around Epping and Eastwood (and particularly bad around Carlingford – does anyone know why??).

    Not me, but here’s one possibility that will never get published in the Mainstream:
    Asians do bloc vote for the ALP, and they did it again.
    This by election was life or death for the desperate Turnbullistas, polling showed the Asians were going for Bambi, so they dogwhistled to YT in Bennelong and YT came good for them.
    Tits and Bambi were dogwhistling the Asian vote for 2 solid weeks, so it is possible that the Liberal Party has finally turned pro.

  119. Rae

    I’ve seen relatives mostly spouses do that when wife or husband has some signs of dementia and they seek to hide it or pretend it’s not happening.
    Just saying – that’s what it all reminds me of.

    You may be onto something. At 66 years old Alexander is a bumbling and inept character. Now was not the time but perhaps they will disendorse him when pre-selecting for the next general election.

  120. Alex Davidson

    Strength in numbers. They could become something like Conservative Democratic Party. A powerful name.

    Conservative Liberal Party would be better. Differentiate it from the socialist Liberal Party…

  121. JC

    He’s got a 4 million dollar property somewhere which he rents out for $1400 per day which he has been hiding.

    1400 x 365 = $511,000/$4,000,000 = 12.78%
    Bullshit. That’s a 12.75% ROI. No one in Australia is getting returns like that on real estate rental. Either the capital value is much, much higher or the daily return is bullshit. Either way something is terribly wrong in this assertion.

  122. Tel

    1400 x 365 = $511,000/$4,000,000 = 12.78%
    Bullshit. That’s a 12.75% ROI.

    Hilarious when the “Progressive” left try to do numbers, and then find that every time they make shit up, somehow the other guy knows.

    But how?!? It’s like he knows how to check the answer.

  123. Cassie of Sydney

    I thought that the Australian Conservatives did quite well, nearly 5%. Not bad at all for a party that is less than one year old. However, I think that the AC party need to concentrate on the senate first. Electoral success takes time and strategy and it is better that it takes time so that the party can be around for a long time. I don’t want the AC’s to be like One Nation back in the late 1990s. Cory chose a good candidate for Bennelong and this young man managed to garner quite a few votes. Remember, it has taken nearly 20 years for the parasitic marxist Greens to win seats in the House of Reps. In Bennelong the AC party managed to get 3,500 first preference votes. I think that is pretty good. The Greens got, on first preferences, a little over 5,000 votes.

  124. Rae

    1400 x 365 = $511,000/$4,000,000 = 12.78%
    Bullshit. That’s a 12.75% ROI.

    Hilarious when the “Progressive” left try to do numbers, and then find that every time they make shit up, somehow the other guy knows.

    JC is “Progressive” left? He is a bit optimistic expecting the place to be let every day of the year, but it is possible. Anyway, here’s the property involved:

    Iona Park – quintessential highlands estate

    $1,440 a night. You sold him short.

  125. W Hogg

    1400 x 365 = $511,000/$4,000,000 = 12.78%
    Bullshit. That’s a 12.75% ROI. No one in Australia is getting returns like that on real estate rental.

    I’ve done it several times. I had a successful career as a slumlord. One dump I bought for $56k rented for $145pw, and I have another property on a similar yield. My favourite commercial property syndicator gets in the 12s occasionally. I’ve invested 1/4 of my net worth with him.

    But I’m this case a high end daily rental property would be about right. 60% occupancy would be optimistic.

  126. candy

    Iona Park – how beautiful it looks. Would be a lovely few days’ holiday, plenty of space of to walk and take it easy. After a couple days it would be dull though.
    But what a beautiful property.

    John Alexander is very well set up then. No need to poke fun at the disabled.

  127. Snoopy

    Grigs and Candy tag teaming again. How do they do it? Is practice their only secret?

  128. candy

    Grigs and Candy tag teaming again. How do they do it? Is practice their only secret?

    Nonsense, Snoopy, in all due respect.

    Iona Park looks gorgeous, the house, the gardens, the land beyond. The house is beautiful. JA has found himself in a very nice position in life to be able to buy that. No need to make joke about people who need a disability parking sticker. Too petty, kind of weird he mentioned it in a very important victory speech. I suspect a little dementia, because he’s out of context and they won’t let him speak. He is nearly 70.

  129. herodotus

    John Alexander is very well set up then. No need to poke fun at the disabled.

    Snowflake alert! This sort of pile-on because a man makes a joke involving his own injury is symptomatic of the political dysfunction that’s there to see on a daily basis. Confected outrage is so selective.
    How about holding responsible those who are actually damaging the nation’s interests with their (a) climate scam, (b) faked assertions of chinaphobia (particularly Shorten who did the rant about Japan not that long ago), and (c) stalling legislation in the Senate without due cause?

  130. Cassie of Sydney

    Herodotus…well said. This endless confected outrage from the perpetually outraged is tedious. I heard JA’s joke. So now it is even a crime to make a joke about yourself! Scary world we live in.

  131. Leo G

    John Alexander is very well set up then. No need to poke fun at the disabled.

    John Alexander’s casual remark would not have been offensive to the genuinely disabled. It’s the dishonest who feign offence.

  132. Rae

    The joke was lame but ok. The problem was that he said it on Saturday night, live on national tv.

    Candy is correct, Alexander, at 66+ years old, is showing signs of dementia.

  133. Herodotus

    Rae agrees with Candy who agrees with Gargoolery.

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