Open Forum: December 16, 2017

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  1. Oh come on

    First on a quiet night

  2. Oh come on

    As I was saying…

    Via the ABC News app:

    It was an emotional day for many as the royal commission handed down its final report, in all 17 volumes, after five long years of investigation.

    But for at least one survivor of child abuse, Rob Walsh, today doesn’t mark the end of a long campaign for justice.

    He will be travelling to the nation’s capital to campaign for all of the royal commission’s recommendations to be implemented.

    I don’t know the specifics but I’m sure it’s terrible what this fellow has been through. Nevertheless, I don’t think lionising his unattainable aims and highlighting his doomed trek to Canberra is ethical. Of course, the ABC isn’t known for its ethical journalism, but you’d think they might be a little cautious of handing out rope to someone who’s probably psychologically damaged and is on an understandable but misguided moral crusade.

  3. Oh come on

    Was going to go to 10th but bugger it, I’m off to bed.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Podium? Another Scotch, and I’m off to bed.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I claim this thread in the name of any Cats, who ever pulled on a boot, or picked up a rifle.

    “Who’s there like us?

    Damn few

    And they’re all dead.”

  6. Elle

    I identify as bi … as in two or, something like that. I may have missed second. If so, at least I am in the top five. First time ever!

  7. Elle

    It appears I have missed out because @Oh come on beat all of us. Well done, Sir.

  8. Zulu, re your noting on a previous thread that Lloyd Rayney was awarded $600,000 damages (from a starting point of $11 million).
    It seems it ain’t over yet, could be quite a bit more to come his way. The $600,000 was “special damages” (whatever that means) and more damages to be decided next week. Or something.

  9. Dave in Marybrook

    Dammit Z2KA, where does that “damn few and all dead” line come from? I won’t be able to sleep while that bugs me!

  10. Dave in Marybrook

    Aaah it’s Dylan Thomas isn’t it?

  11. Dammit Z2KA, where does that “damn few and all dead” line come from? I won’t be able to sleep while that bugs me!

    Dave in M: I could be wrong, but I believe it is to be found somewhere in the works of Robbie Burns.

  12. zyconoclast

    Canada In Decay: Mass Immigration, Diversity, and the Ethnocide of Euro-Canadians

    Canada In Decay is the first scholarly book questioning the undemocratic policy of mass immigration and racial diversification in Canada. The entire Canadian political establishment, the mainstream media and the academics, are all in harmonious unison with the banks and corporations, in promoting two myths to justify mass immigration.

    The first myth this book demolishes is the claim that immigration into Canada “enriches the country”, by demonstrating that mass immigration is not only leading to Euro-Canadians becoming a small minority in their own homeland, but because of the disparity in the birth-rate, the Euro-Canadian population is likely to become almost extinct.

    The second myth this book demolishes is the regularly repeated claim that Canada is a “nation of immigrants” by demonstrating that Canada was founded by Indigenous Quebecois, Acadians, and English speakers.

    This book also exposes the rewriting of Canada’s history in the media, schools, and universities, as an attempt to rob Euro-Canadians of their own history by inventing a past that conforms to the ideological goals of a future multiracial and multicultural Canada.

    Canada In Decay explains the origins of the ideology of immigrant multiculturalism and the inbuilt radicalizing nature of this ideology, and argues that the “theory of multicultural citizenship” is marred by a double standard which encourages minorities to affirm their collective cultural rights while Euro-Canadians are excluded from affirming theirs.

    “Canada In Decay is a bold, compelling, and often devastating deconstruction of the Left-Liberal narrative which has dominated Canadian politics since the 1970s. It is bound to put on the defensive both the politically correct Left and the globalist Right not just in Canada but across the entire western world.”

  13. zyconoclast

    Study reveals racial inequality in Mexico, disproving its ‘race-blind’ rhetoric

    Race and education in Mexico: Vanderbilt’s Americas Barometer survey found that Mexicans with light skin tend to complete significantly more years of schooling than people with darker skin. The survey-wide national average for education in Mexico is nine years of schooling.

    Race and wealth in Mexico : A Vanderbilt survey in Mexico found that people with light skin fall in the 70th percentile for wealth on average, while people with darker skin are concentrated in the bottom 50 percent. The average reported monthly Mexican household income in the study was about US$193. Citizens with lighter skin reported bringing in, on average, $220 a month. Darker-skinned citizens earned 41.5 percent less, just $137 a month

  14. Dave in Marybrook

    Ok got it now-
    “Here’s tae us, wha’s like us?
    Damned few, and they’re aal deid!”
    Echoes of my Scots sis-in-law dragging that line out in the Sheep Heid, Edinburgh.

  15. Token

    About time someone reported on the Hillary level of stupidity in this whole Wussia kerfuffle:

    Of the many astonishing revelations now emerging from the Russia investigation, not enough has been made of the fact that — that Zelig of the FBI who mysteriously appeared at every controversial moment — was second in command for counterintelligence.

    That’s right, counterintelligence — that activity “designed to prevent or thwart spying, intelligence gathering, and sabotage by an enemy or other foreign entity.”

    And yet that same Mr. Strzok was conducting a clandestine extra-marital affair with an FBI colleague over thousands of text messages that could be and likely were (more of that in a moment) intercepted by those same foreign intelligence agencies — or were, at the very least, recklessly exposed to them.

    How arrogant and thick are they?

    We’ll find out more need time the IG does its next document drop.

  16. Rossini

    What’s going on I’ve missed the start again.

  17. Token

    …Mexicans with light skin tend to complete significantly more years of schooling than people with darker skin…

    Latin America is a hotbed of racism.

    Can anyone guess who are the champs in both North & South America?

    A 2013 Swedish academic study stated that Venezuela was the most racist country in the Americas,[13] followed by the Dominican Republic.[13]

  18. Token

    Expect the A class dope Strzok & his mistress to demand their altexts relating to their affair to remain private. I trust the Wisconsin example will be used against them…

    Among the millions of pages were discussions of the most personal nature—Wisconsin GOP staffers talking with family members about illness, helping friends through precarious relationships, and discussing money troubles with their spouses. Not knowing government bureaucrats were monitoring their discussions, some saved sensitive passwords in Gmail accounts; others sent pictures of themselves trying on clothes to friends and asked how they looked.

  19. Zatara

    Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers

    A well-known women’s rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump during the final months of the 2016 election, according to documents and interviews.

    In other words, she hired women to make accusations against Trump and was paid to do so by various “donors”. Not really a huge surprise to anyone who really paid attention, but nice to see confirmation of our suspicions.

    Now what could possibly motivate a “donor” to give these women “compensation” for alleged actions that the donors had nothing to do with? Besides the obvious that is.

    I’ve got a bridge to sell to anyone who doesn’t think this just happened again in Alabama. The difference being that that Moore was already a marginal enough candidate that this time the tactic worked.

  20. Tom

    A rare no-show by Paul Zanetti today, but Mark Knight evidently has no problems with the government’s $600 million Get Pell witchhunt.

  21. Pete of Perth

    Waiting patiently in Changi T2 for my connecting flight to Taipei. It’s a relief being in a country where sjw, gender benders and climate change fanatics have no public profile.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ramirez’ first one is excellent. A little photoshopping and “ABC” could replace “FBI”…

  23. rickw

    Canada In Decay is the first scholarly book questioning the undemocratic policy of mass immigration and racial diversification in Canada. The entire Canadian political establishment, the mainstream media and the academics, are all in harmonious unison with the banks and corporations, in promoting two myths to justify mass immigration.

    Australia isn’t in decay, it’s in full blown deconstruction.

    A parliament full of foreigners, a country full of foreigners, working in harmony to destroy or discredit anything that might be considered part of Old Australia.

  24. rickw

    Waiting patiently in Changi T2 for my connecting flight to Taipei. It’s a relief being in a country where sjw, gender benders and climate change fanatics have no public profile.

    Enjoy the sanity! I got back last night, bloody depressing, goat scented Taxi, disgusting personal habits by the taxi driver and some shit involving Africans going on at the end of the street.

  25. Up The Workers!

    Why does it take 17 volumes for the A.L.P.’s (Allah’s Local Party’s) “Get Cardinal Pell” Royal Commission to gillard the bloke in the cowardly manner that they have?

    They didn’t waste so much time and taxpayers’ hard-earned cash when they went after former Anglican Archbishop and former Governor-General Peter Hollingworth in their similar pogrom of abuse, lies and vilification.

    And all this from a party led by Bonking Billy Short-One, which exempted the world’s only “religion” which institutionally allows the forced marriage and rape of minors..

  26. nemkat

    Tom
    #2585552, posted on December 16, 2017 at 4:32 am

    Mark Knight wimped out there, Tom.
    The lesson of the RC, for anyone with eyes and ears, is that homosexuals will take advantage of opportunities to groom boys for sex, and persons in authority aren’t keen to stop it.
    Irrespective of the merits, or otherwise, of Pell’s case, the Churches in Australia have big problems, but they aint Robinson Crusoe.

  27. Anthony

    Dave in M: I could be wrong, but I believe it is to be found somewhere in the works of Robbie Burns.

    Yep, ‘deid’ is a bit of a clue.

  28. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s official…Germany is importing hundreds of thousands of Nazis.

    Research: Anti-Semitic Attitudes Common Among Asylum Seekers

    German researcher and historian Günther Jikeli has made a report laying out his findings that anti-Semitic attitudes are common among asylum seekers arriving in the country, with many believing in anti-J_wish conspiracies.

    His claims come as the federal government’s Facebook page was inundated with anti-Semitic messages this week.

    Mr Jikeli interviewed 68 asylum seekers on behalf of the American J_wish Committee and found that many new arrivals believed in anti-J_wish conspiracy theories and questioned whether Israel had a right to exist German radio broadcaster Deutschlandfunk reports.

    Many of the comments were overtly anti-Semitic like that of Murat Ulusoy from Frankfurt who wrote, “Zionism = Greatest Crime ever encountered by humanity!” Ulusoy also called the Holocaust a “lie” which is a criminal offence in Germany.

    Emre Cakmak from Plettenberg made a similar comment writing, “I really miss Adolf he knew from the beginning that the J_ws are a filthy people.”

    And Merkel is currently annoyed that some EU countries won’t accept them.

    EU BREAKS APART on migration: Merkel blasts EU member states for lack of solidarity

    The German Chancellor said it was “not acceptable” for EU members to shirk their responsibility to meet migrant quotas.

    Welcome back to the 1930’s Angela, and you are the one who put Germany there.

  29. Tom

    The left’s war on men in Washington DC is having the unforeseen consequences that the left specialise in: one of the Fox News Channel wymmynses contributors who’s married to a Congressman says one of the consequences of the Democrat wymmymses gold-digging for a payday or helping their shemales hunt for male political scalps is that Congressmen on both sides are now reluctant to hire wymmynses. In fact, it’s safer not to have anything to do with anyone with a vagina at all. So the frightbats pile into the Get Men jihad like suicide bombers and then squeal about the consequences. Hey, frightbats: behave like children, get treated like children.

  30. Rafe

    Trump kicks another goal.
    WASHINGTON, DC – President Donald Trump broke the all-time record on first-year judicial appointments to the federal appeals courts on Thursday, as the Senate confirmed James Ho to the U.S. Court of Appeals to the Fifth Circuit, a nominee notable as a racial minority who is outspoken on the importance of constitutional conservatism.
    Senators voted 53-43 to confirm Ho of the Fifth Circuit, which has jurisdiction over Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. Democrats voted overwhelming against Ho, as they have done for all of President Trump’s nominees to the appeals courts.

    Unlike some judicial nominees, Ho is assertive and unapologetic about his adherence to originalism—the judicial philosophy that the Constitution must always be interpreted according to the original public meaning of its words. When senators asked him if he was an originalist, instead of the verbal tap-dance many nominees do to avoid that hot-button term, he answered bluntly, “Yes, I am an originalist.”

    Ho likewise trumpets his affiliation with the conservative Federalist Society, which is vilified daily in left-of-center circles. Rather than downplay that connection, when asked if he was connected to the organization, he answered, “I am proud to be a member of the Federalist Society. I have been a member since my earliest days in law school.”

  31. Dear Santa,

    Can I please have an ALP win in Bennelong?

    If you can’t manage this, can you arrange to have a piano fall from the sky and land on Mick Trumble?

  32. johanna

    The RC’s predictably loopy recommendations are off to a flying start with an approving article at Fauxfacts today.

    Firstly, the RC wants schools to have strict liability for schools in the event that sexual abuse occurs, even if they had no way of knowing about it or preventing it. In other words, ‘victims’ should have easy access to deep pockets, even though the owners of said pockets had nothing to do with their grievance. And in many cases the ultimate owners of those pockets are taxpayers, of course. It’s an outrageous reversal of the concept of legal liability.

    Secondly, they want to ‘prevent’ perverts from getting at schoolkids by sending an army of potential perverts (paid for by you know who) into schools to have explicit conversations with children as young as four about – you guessed it – perverts. This is so icky and potentially harmful to children that it hardly bears contemplation. It is just ‘Safe Schools’ all over again.

    Since it will fall mainly to State and Territory governments to implement the recommendations, we need to send strong and noisy messages to the invertebrates that they need to keep the paws of perverts and chancers out of our schools and our pockets.

  33. johanna

    eek, delete ‘for schools’ in the third line. Caffeine needed.

  34. John Constantine

    The war on past sexual offences will not touch wymynsys like redfilth gillard, that hopped up a ladder of married men.

    Untouchable.

    Cleaning out a convoy of men, even if they are lefy men, will see them replaced with a high percentage of wymynsys. These wymynsys will be further to the left than the lefty men they replace, and will hire young lefty activist wymynsys even further left than they are.

    The past crimes purges will be like Stalins purges of his pre world war two army. It will produce organisations that are less useful for their past operations, but will accelerate the victory of the left.

    Comrades,

    [Any men that avoid hiring or being alone with activist wymynsys will be purged as unsound racist deplorable clinging settler misogynists.]

  35. John Constantine

    Their merkel proclaims it is unacceptable for EU member countries to shirk their duty to progress mass immigration by dispersing refugees into untouched backwaters of Europe.

    In Australia, we see activist wymynsys making ready fot the big refugee dispersal area transformation of Australias remote areas, the ones that still optically look like Australia did before the two towers went down.

    There will be nowhere for racists to run and hide.

    [Except the nice green leafy inner city areas, where multi-million dollar house prices serve as house price apartheid, and the gated communities and the exclusive apartment buildings with doormen.]

    Comrades.

  36. Shy Ted

    I identify as Tom.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/16/what-do-the-voters-of-bennelong-want

    There’s a difference though, Tom’ links are funny and cutting and show cartooning talent, whereas mine…

  37. Shy Ted

    And I think this rather sums up what the average Guardian writer knows about sex. I mean even I know the correct orifice isn’t in the middle of your back (don’t ask me how I know this though).

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/15/sex-between-snow-monkeys-and-sika-deer-may-be-new-behavioural-tradition

  38. John Constantine

    The point of dispersing refugees into areas of Australia that haven’t previously seen mass imported welfare plantations is nothing to do with economics.

    Dumping mass numbers of refugees into areas of low employment and low economic activity and opportunity is all about the last stages of the war to destroy racist literally Nazis, that every small town must have an equality mosquebunker and a diversity majority of military age citizens being non obsolete Australians.

    We see politicians like their andrew broad openly supporting the cutting of pensions of old obsolete Australians that built the country, then supporting the money from the pension cuts being used to fill the kindergartens and schools of his electorate with welfare plantations of saved refugee children.

    We must help and save the wahhabi children, to destroy the literally Nazis that hate children.

    The wahhabi children are our strength.

    Comrades

  39. Nerblnob

    Here’s tae us
    Wha’s like us?
    Damn few
    An they’re a’ deid!

    Sounds like a military saying to me.

  40. cohenite

    Dear oh dear, where’s Milo when you need him: Chris Kenny wakes up to the fact that the left/alp are a pack of lying bastards, still he has the abc covered and the libs finally have a good slogan: a vote for Keneally is a vote for Bill Shorten:

    Labor and friends serve up another helping of bile and hate

    Chris Kenny The Australian December 16, 2017

    The debasing of our national political debate continues, the ABC is complicit and the Bennelong by-election has proved to be a case study of how this plays out. Labor’s so-called star candidate, Kristina Keneally, has embraced a now familiar tactic of the left: claiming victimhood while spouting vicious and baseless attacks on her opponents. Her willing accomplice has been Bill Shorten.

    Along the way, national ­cohesion has been undermined as imaginary racist backlashes have been drummed up for political ­effect, tensions in our relationship with China have been inflamed, and the bar has been lowered yet again for the standards of our ­national political discourse. The damage will be bad enough if, as expected, Liberal backbencher John Alex­ander is returned by ­voters today. But ­imagine if ­Keneally wins — ­imagine the ­implications if this sort of shameless and reckless mudslinging is proven to be successful.

    Many commentators and ­players lament the incontestable decline of public debate but most — presumably in the interests of demonstrating their even-­handedness — tend to address it with a pox-on-both-their-houses denunciation. Putting the lunatic fringes on the right and left to one side, it is the hateful rhetoric of the ­mainstream left that is most corrosive on politics. Transgressions by any people from any party should ­always be called out but, perhaps largely because of its ­preoccupation with identity politics, it is the mainstream left that engages in the most bilious and ­destructive attacks.

    On Tuesday the Opposition Leader stood in the Sydney suburb of Ryde, in Bennelong, with Keneally and said this: “I think the Chinese community in Bennelong would be ­unimpressed by the constant, rampant China-phobia from Malcolm Turnbull — let’s call it as it is.” Shorten accused the Prime Minister and his government of racism without citing a word they had ­uttered to justify his claim.

    “They will pay any price and make any slur or smear because they’re worried by Kristina Keneally and what happens in the by-election of Bennelong.” The alternative prime minister went on to say “Labor welcomes” all Australians whe­ther by birth or by choice, in a sin­ister inference that the govern­ment didn’t.

    The following day they were at it again. “What we see from Malcolm Turnbull every single day is an assertion that our Chinese Australians, the people of Chinese ­descent or Chinese who are here studying or working on temporary visas, are people to be suspicious of,” Keneally said with Shorten by her side. “That is what Malcolm Turnbull’s doing.” Again, there was not a single shred of evidence proffered.

    “We know that they’re getting tired by Malcolm Turnbull’s ­assertion that Asian Australians are not fully fledged members of Team Australia. You know, the last time we heard this rhetoric was from Pauline Hanson and One Nation 20 years ago and people think that we were all well ­behind it, but Malcolm Turnbull is reviving it.”

    We all understand the tantalising prospect this by-election holds for Labor — the chance to force the Coalition into minority government — and with such high stakes we expect tough campaigning. Some may complain about how the Liberals have focused on Keneally’s past as the titular head of what transpired to be a corrupt and chaotic NSW Labor government. But it has been no more than scrutiny of her record. (Turnbull erred when he said she ­appointed Eddie Obeid to cabinet — she never did. Rather, Obeid and his acolytes thrust her into the leadership and she recalled Ian Macdonald to cabinet.)

    We know Shorten was knocked off balance by the controversy over senator Sam Dastyari’s personal payments from a Chinese benefactor while spruiking Chinese foreign policy and tipping off his benefactor to the possibility of surveillance by intelligence agencies. Dastyari’s forced resignation during the Bennelong campaign showed how his double-dealing had hurt Labor and exposed the lack of action by Shorten. So Labor’s “China-phobic” attacks on the Coalition were a transparent attempt to deflect the heat.

    All voters could see what was going on. Yet surely most of us were surprised that when placed under this sort of pressure by the obvious misdeeds of their own colleague, the knee-jerk reaction of Shorten and Keneally was to make the most vile accusation against Turnbull. Short of behaving in a racist fashion, seeking to dishonestly tar someone as racist has to be about as reprehensible as you can get. Turnbull was right to point out his own granddaughter was a Chinese Australian.

    Given the vital foreign policy ­issues at the heart of the Dastyari scandal — no less than the ­allegiance of our politicians to this nation — it is extraordinary also that Labor would seek to play politics in a way that would recklessly imperil our bilateral relationship as well as risk stirring up resentment within the Australian Chinese community.

    Beijing reacted with fiery rhetoric and diplomatic representations. It is hard to ­fathom whether Labor aped Beijing’s inflammatory words or vice versa, but the line that Australia’s public warnings on foreign interference were motivated by Sino-phobic ­racism was similar from China and Labor. Whether this reaction was cooked up in Beijing or Sussex Street, or both, it was appalling and should never have passed Shorten or Keneally’s lips.

    The Opposition Leader might have done better to say he had learned the lessons from Dastyari’s diplomatic two-step and taken steps to ensure it would never happen again. He might then be taken ­seriously on the challenge confronting both sides of politics over accepting Chinese donations too willingly and perhaps having been too unquestioning about allies and former colleagues profiting as ­lobbyists for Chinese interests.

    It should go without saying that our national interest takes precedence over that of any other ­nation and that the focus is on China only because of its economic weight, strategic posture, ­intense lobbying activity and the Dastyari disaster. Race has precisely nothing to do with it.

    Still, it has become common for the aggressive left — particularly when losing policy debates on border protection or indigenous ­affairs — to use the slur of racism to silence or intimidate anyone who disagrees with it. In its world of identity politics and virtue signalling, political views are ­indistinguishable from individual iden­tity, so anyone holding an ­opposing view becomes a worthy target for character assassination.

    It is a depressing descent from political debate into personal abuse. Sadly it is facilitated, if not encouraged, by much of the media debate. On ABC television news this week a reporter told us “both sides” were “playing the race card” in Bennelong. Say what?! Labor played the race card, as evidenced above, and the Liberals defended themselves. And just this week we saw the ABC continue to promote people who spew hate at their ideological enemies (yes, this invariably means leftists attacking people on the right of centre).

    Sami Shah is a Pakistani-Australian comedian given a plum ABC radio job in Melbourne. “Does Peter Dutton wake up every morning with a hard-on for abusing refugees?” is the sort of thing he tweets. “It’s not Peter Dutton’s fault. His grandfather was an asshole,” is another in his Twitter feed that is peppered with all the standard anti-American and anti-Israeli fare. The ABC also has promoted Benjamin Law despite — or perhaps because of — his tweeting about how he would like to “hate-f..k” politicians ­opposed to same-sex marriage.

    If this is the hate and abuse that wins promotion at the public broadcaster — if this is the invective that is deliberately amplified through publicly funded platforms — what hope do we have of ­improving the national debate, let alone our political outcomes?

  41. min

    ABChave just given KK 6 minutes to rattle off her lies without one question of how she/ labor is going to bring down energy prices with a 50% renewable target, where will they get more money for schools and hospitals .
    Overcrowding in schools is the complaint I heard re schools in Bennelong which seems to be a product of immigration ,lack of infrastructure not all caused by MT. But never fear AbC has just given her another go to reinforce her message.

  42. John Constantine

    The Wahhabi children are our strength.

    If we import enough of them, and the families they are anchor chains for, some of them might grow up to become paid informants, to help us fight terrorism.

    Our paid informants are our strength.

    Comrades.

  43. Geriatric Mayfly

    Family finds hidden camera over bed in Carnival ship’s quarters Fox News.

    Ovations on the seas indeed.

  44. JC

    Let’s see if the lying wins out at today’s by-election.

    ….the Left are by far the worst at deceitful campaigning. It started with the Work Choices scare, moved on to Mediscare, then NBN ‘failure’, the ‘cuts’ to education, and now we have the anti-Chinese tactic.

  45. OneWorldGovernment

    Johanna

    If you wouldn’t mind casting your eye over the following and making comment please.

    On a recent Mark Steyn post The Co-Dependents of the “Independent” Counsel he made mention of Nick Warner as in “Australia’s Nick Warner (who steps down this weekend as head of Canberra’s Secret Intelligence Service)”.

    Out of mere curiosity I checked Nick Warner on the “wicki” thing.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Warner

    But it seems that he is going to head Office of National Intelligence (Australia)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_National_Intelligence_(Australia)

    Apart from asking when the f*ck was this passed into law do you know anything about Nick Warner?

    And where does ASIO now fit into the mix?

  46. John Constantine

    In order to silence anybody mentioning the Chinese communist party and the power it has purchased over Australia’s political quislings, labor will mobilise Chinese communist party influence to try and topple the turnfailure government through this by-election.

  47. Farmer Gez

    I’m happy to have immigrants come to our towns but they have to pass the pub test.
    If they won’t show for a pot and parma, then no thanks.

  48. Anthony

    The Australian online is reporting that one of the dead palis in Gaza was in a wheelchair. Give that man a posthumour award!

  49. JC

    This old guy was sent to an early grave because the state allowed an lunatic to stalk and terrorize him

    When 79-year-old farmer Ian Turnbull and environment ­officer Glen Turner locked horns over a land-clearing ­dispute it was always going to end badly.

    Turnbull, the patriarch of a wealthy NSW wheat farming dynasty, was a man who always got his way. Turner, a tenacious official, never backed down from a fight, especially when it ­involved farmers such as Turnbull who had wilfully ignored the state’s native vegetation protection laws. But no one imagined it would end in a brutal killing, with Turnbull terrorising, then gunning down, 51-year-old Turner “like a feral pig” outside one of the Turnbull family properties at Croppa Creek in the state’s northwest. Turnbull was sentenced to 35 years for the 2014 murder and died in jail in March this year. But the saga is to be re-examined in the new year.

    Turner’s wife, Alison McKenzie, has been pushing for an ­inquest into his death and the NSW Coroner is expected to set a date for the hearing in February.

    The Weekend Australian can reveal that the Turnbull family will press for explosive new evidence to be heard at the inquest. Turnbull’s widow Robeena and her son Grant have instructed lawyers to prepare a brief of evidence for the coroner that casts Turner as a serial bully who had “victimised” the elderly patriarch.

    They claim it was Turner’s relentless pursuit of Turnbull that triggered the murderous rampage, raising questions about why the NSW Department of Environment and Heritage allowed him to remain on the case despite two years of complaints about his behaviour towards the Turnbulls.

  50. 132andBush


    If you can’t manage this, can you arrange to have a piano fall from the sky and land on Mick Trumble?

    Make that a fridge.

  51. Anthony

    Breaking news. The Australian is no longer reporting that a dead pali in Gaza was in a wheelchair.

  52. Seco

    On the RC recommendations into child sexual abuse I have a few queries.

    1. If priests were forced to report to police what they hear in confession, wouldn’t people who commit major crimes just not go to confession?
    2. Where is the evidence that celibacy leads to abusing children? Seriously, where?
    3. Why were so many boys molested by men? Is there a link to homosexuality and sex with boys? Just asking.
    4. There was evidence that police knew of these crimes when they were happening. Was the practice of child molestation by men just considered a weird abnormality that was accepted as long as it happened behind closed doors. After all, EVERY bloody institution that had children in their care did it.
    5. What, if anything has this achieved other than dredging through historical crimes where the guilty are dead or in jail.
    6. Where was the smoking gun held by Pell? Was he even mentioned in the findings? This all happened on Little’s watch.

  53. John Constantine

    There is a difference between a town welcoming people from diverse backgrounds that willingly arrive to run a business, or are adopted from overseas or bring skills that are needed and what the left intends with the dispersal areas.

    When dozens of people arrive, each from a different background, that is diversity, but not as the left want it.

    Adoption from overseas is assimilated diversity where everyone wins except the left, so the left work against it.

    When the left operate, it is like in western Victoria’s stawell project.

    The left do massive tax funded rorts to have a windmill farm built, then do rorts to have windmill batteries installed, then subsidise a vegetable farm to be windmill powered, then disperse a equality, inclusiveness and diversity settlement of Sudanese to the town, to work the diversity wind powered vegetable farm and be clients for council services.

    All one culture in an unassimilated lump, to eternally transform the Nazi demographics.

  54. John Constantine

    It would also be acceptable for turnbull to slip on the bathmat Waleed gave him for Christmas.

  55. Just Interested

    Chris Kenny wakes up to the fact that the ….. libs finally have a good slogan: a vote for Keneally is a vote for Bill Shorten:

    I thought that outcome was the point of voting for KK for for both Labor …….and Delcon voters.

    (Sadly, doesn’t ALP cosying up to the ChiComs make it harder for Delcon voters to follow through with it?)

  56. OneWorldGovernment

    JC
    #2585606, posted on December 16, 2017 at 8:29 am

    This old guy was sent to an early grave because the state allowed an lunatic to stalk and terrorize him

    It was shocking what the xunt did to the old bloke JC.

    Blame Howard.

    There are many sagas of absolute bloody minded arrogance of despicable xunts in all states of Australia acting against law abiding folk.

    One day people will wake up and wonder why their cities are burning down.

    But hey. Let’s get some more Somalians.

  57. struth

    The Victorian Police are still fighting the Kellys.

  58. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Australian online is reporting that one of the dead palis in Gaza was in a wheelchair

    If the truth be known, probably an armour plated mobility scooter with canon mounted, ginned up in a re-birthing ‘facility.’

  59. calli

    The ABC is reporting it, Anthony.

    But they start their report with a blatant lie, so the rest is highly suspect.

  60. johanna

    Johanna

    If you wouldn’t mind casting your eye over the following and making comment please.

    Sorry, OWG, my knowledge and contacts in the secret squirrel world are too stale for me to comment on contemporary events.

    In general, the publicly known recent history does not inspire a lot of confidence, with the exception of Dennis Richardson, who is now retired.

  61. cohenite

    I know its long but I can’t link to the page; the natural result of greenie land policies. The son seems a piece of work:

    Bloody-minded path to Croppa Creek killing

    Deborah Cornnwall The Australian December 16, 2017

    When 79-year-old farmer Ian Turnbull and environment ­officer Glen Turner locked horns over a land-clearing ­dispute it was always going to end badly.

    Turnbull, the patriarch of a wealthy NSW wheat farming dynasty, was a man who always got his way. Turner, a tenacious official, never backed down from a fight, especially when it ­involved farmers such as Turnbull who had wilfully ignored the state’s native vegetation protection laws. But no one imagined it would end in a brutal killing, with Turnbull terrorising, then gunning down, 51-year-old Turner “like a feral pig” outside one of the Turnbull family properties at Croppa Creek in the state’s northwest. Turnbull was sentenced to 35 years for the 2014 murder and died in jail in March this year. But the saga is to be re-examined in the new year.

    Turner’s wife, Alison McKenzie, has been pushing for an ­inquest into his death and the NSW Coroner is expected to set a date for the hearing in February.

    The Weekend Australian can reveal that the Turnbull family will press for explosive new evidence to be heard at the inquest. Turnbull’s widow Robeena and her son Grant have instructed lawyers to prepare a brief of evidence for the coroner that casts Turner as a serial bully who had “victimised” the elderly patriarch.

    They claim it was Turner’s relentless pursuit of Turnbull that triggered the murderous rampage, raising questions about why the NSW Department of Environment and Heritage allowed him to remain on the case despite two years of complaints about his behaviour towards the Turnbulls.

    But the aftermath of Turner’s murder has split the Turnbull clan. The second eldest son, Roger, says his father had originally planned to kill Turner, a ­father of two young children, without any witnesses, then dump his body in one of the grave sites he had prepared on his farm. “We don’t believe in murder so we’re the bastards,” says Roger Turnbull of the family split. “I went to see him in prison twice and he was just cold. He really thought he’d done a huge favour for the whole farming com­munity.”

    Roger says he is “shamed and disgusted” that his father had died believing he was “a Ned Kelly hero figure” to farmers.

    Turner, he says, had been a tough negotiator. The problem was his father had such extreme contempt for environmental-­protection laws that no amount of fines or jail threats was going to stop him from clearing land he wanted for cropping.

    “Glen Turner … once he had his teeth into something, he wouldn’t let go,” Roger says. “And then you’ve got Dad, an old man who always gets his own way. And Dad just got more and more obsessed with Glen Turner. Neither of them was going to step back.”

    Roger and his wife Annette are banished from entering any of the farms on the family estate.

    The feud between Turnbull and Turner began in late 2011 with the family’s purchase of two ­additional properties — Colorado and Strathdoon — at Croppa Creek, a one-shop hamlet 40km from Moree. Turnbull, who was one of the biggest property owners in the area, had gone guarantor on the farms for his son Grant and Roger’s son Cory.

    Roger says every farmer in the district knew there was no prospect of a green light to clear the dense bushland on the two farms. Between November 2011 and January 2012, before the ink was even dry on the sale contracts, Turnbull ordered the destruction of 500ha of forest on both farms.

    That triggered the first of many stop-work orders Turner would issue against the Turnbulls. ­Despite this, the Land and Environment Court would later be told illegal land-clearing had continued on the Colorado farm for a further seven months. The widescale clearing would all but wipe out a large koala colony on the farm, one of the few koala sanctuaries in the district.

    Roger Turnbull says his father had been ruthless in trying to cover up the damage — even ­ordering a mass burn-off of koalas that had been left injured or homeless by the destruction of their habitat.

    “I have no idea how many ­koalas were killed in those clearings,” Roger says. “But I do know about one incident in June 2012 where father ordered more than 100 koalas to be shot on sight on the Colorado farm and thrown on a fire to burn because he knew the federal inspectors were planning to come and do a headcount that week. What kind of person does that?”

    A lawyer for Robeena and Grant Turnbull says much of the blame for the Turner tragedy should be levelled at his employer, the NSW Office of Heritage and Environment.

    “While no one knew it would end the way it did, had they (the OEH) taken the steps we asked them to take … to get Turner off the case and keep him off the case, this would never have happened,” says the Turnbull family lawyer, Sylvester Joseph.

    “He (Turner) was a zealot, that’s for sure. He was arrogant. You don’t want to be kicking a dead man, but I’ve got to say it like it is.”

    Joseph says that after the ­murder, 38 farmers and workers came forward claiming they too had been harassed and abused by Turner in incidents dating back to 2004.

    But those testimonies, along with other defence evidence that Turner had provoked Turnbull, were largely rejected by the judge in the murder trial and were never heard by the jury.

    That, Joseph says, leaves the coroner’s court — with its wide-ranging inquisitorial powers — as the last best hope for the Turnbull family to get answers to questions that still burn.

    Joseph says Turnbull had ­always conceded he was in the wrong and “happy to cop the fine” — at least, for the first three months of illegal clearing.

    Joseph says the real problems started when Turner broke up that first clearing offence into eight separate legal actions, ­forcing the Turnbulls into back-to-back prosecutions.

    “That was the catalyst,” the lawyer says. “From then on it just seemed as if the Turnbulls were in the bad books … and that sort of spiralled from there.

    “Each prosecution cost the Turnbulls money and would ­result in fines. So it was just a ­constant barrage of proceedings. There is no one else in the state of NSW that has been prosecuted as hard as the Turnbulls.”

    Between 2012 and 2014, the Turnbull family lodged four ­separate complaints about ­Turner, imploring the OEH to take him off the case.

    Joseph says Turner was taken off the Turnbull investigation, at least temporarily, in September 2012 after a complaint that he had threatened a young woman, Anna Simmons, during an unauthorised visit to one of the Turnbull farms. In her August 2012 statement to the OEH, Simmons said she had been caring for her sick baby when Turner arrived and started tearing into her about land clearing on the property.

    “He (Turner) hammered me with all this personal stuff and I felt I was going to jail,” her ­complaint read.

    Simmons said she “burst into tears” and after Turner left she was so frightened he would return she fled to her uncle’s farmhouse nearby for safety.

    She told the OEH: “I don’t want to get anyone into trouble but Glen needs to get some disciplinary actions … if he had handcuffs he would have locked me up then and there.”

    According to Joseph, emails from Turner’s managers around the same time flagged their concerns about Turner’s “welfare” after a new officer was assigned to take over the Turnbull case. He said that in one email an OEH supervisor suggested counselling for Turner after he reported feeling “worthless” and “anxious” and insisting he was the only officer who could “handle the Turnbulls”.

    Joseph says it was another year before Turner was officially reassigned to the Turnbull investigations. Back on the case, he ramped up his pursuit, staging illegal break-ins at the Colorado property. Joseph says every visit Turner made to the two farms was captured on hidden security cameras the Turnbulls had installed at their entry gates. “We told them (the OEH) about Turner’s conduct; they didn’t seem to care,” ­Joseph says. “We asked them for negotiation, a mediation, to try and resolve it. ‘No go’.’’

    On June 23, 2014, Turnbull ­instructed his lawyers to file his fourth and final complaint to the OEH: “Our client has a particular discomfort dealing with Mr ­Turner. He feels he is victimised by what appears to be a personal ­vendetta.”

    The OEH response, Joseph says, was to send another notice, demanding Turner be allowed entry to the Colorado farm.

    One month later Turner was dead.

    At the murder trial in May 2016 Turnbull told the Supreme Court “something snapped” on the day of the murder. He had received a tip that Turner and his work ­partner, Bob Strange, were parked outside the Colorado farm, ­checking a fire of smouldering tree logs on the property.

    Turnbull said he had “felt ­nothing” as he terrorised the pair for 40 minutes with his hunting rifle, stalking Turner as he ­cowered ­behind his work ute.

    After shooting Turner in the jaw and the chest, Turnbull told him: “You’ve ruined the Turnbulls. You’re continually persecuting us. The only way you are going home is in a body bag.”

    As Turner attempted to run for his life, Turnbull fired the fatal shot into his back.

    Roger Turnbull was summonsed to testify against his ­father at the murder trial. But in the end the crown case was so overwhelming he wasn’t needed. He said his father had started boasting he was going to kill Turner at least a year before the murder, often telling family and even local shopkeepers: “If I go to jail I won’t be there long. I may as well take Glen Turner with me.”

    In April 2014, Ian Turnbull told Roger he had prepared “two grave holes for Turner” on the family farms. “I thought, ‘f..k dad, what are you saying?’ But I never imagined he would actually do it.”

    Later Roger realised his father had started to set his affairs in order. Two weeks before the ­murder he cancelled his life-long subscription to The Land newspaper, the Australian farmer’s “bible”. He gave his grandson Cory his $600,000 crop-planting machine and told him: “If anything happens to me make sure you look after your nanna.”

    Roger’s wife Annette says her father-in-law had always been a “standover man” who “intim­idated and bullied” his family. She says when she and Roger discovered two of their four children had autism, her father-in-law had been cruel, telling her: “You have disabled children because you have rotten eggs.”

    “He was an arrogant, disgusting pig,” she says.

    The final breakdown in Roger’s relationship with his ­father was triggered by a letter Turnbull wrote to his son from his jail cell on February 2015. Roger said his father had always promised him land in return for his 26 years of working on the family farm for no wages. But in his final letter to his son, Turnbull made clear he wasn’t going to honour the agreement: any money left in the estate would now go towards fighting the murder charge.

    “Your second best friend ­Turner has got me in jail for more than likely the rest of my natural life and it will take a lot of mum’s money to even get that over,” Turnbull wrote.

    Roger retaliated, suing his ­parents for the unpaid wages. In his statement of claim to the court, he said his father had often called him “stupid” and blamed him for everything that went wrong on the farm, including droughts. He’d also told him: “You’ve made a bad choice in wife, you’re getting what you deserve.”

    The lawsuit was abandoned three months before Turnbull’s death.

    “Ninety-nine per cent of ­people in Moree thought father was a great guy, right up until he did what he did,” Roger says.

    “People didn’t know what the old man was like 24/7. I worked and created and developed the farms alongside with him and we got along in our way. But he’s ­always been a mudguard. Shiny on top, shitty underneath.”

  62. C.L.

    Turnbull’s victim (a public servant in a useless job) sought to destroy Turnbull and his family – and his family’s livelihood – over and over and over again. Why? Because Turnbull cleared his own land to grow more food for us to eat. He didn’t deserve to be killed but he was no hero of public service. He was an uppity, officious martinet acting on behalf of assholes.

  63. stackja

    If this is the hate and abuse that wins promotion at the public broadcaster — if this is the invective that is deliberately amplified through publicly funded platforms — what hope do we have of ­improving the national debate, let alone our political outcomes?

    Yes! I am shocked!

  64. stackja

    C.L.
    #2585627, posted on December 16, 2017 at 9:12 am

    Greens everywhere creating trouble.

  65. mc

    The ABC is reporting it, Anthony.

    But they start their report with a blatant lie, so the rest is highly suspect.

    But why would they lie Calli?

    The last photo is interesting:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-16/israeli-soldiers-blindfold-a-palestinian/9264918

    Looks like the Israeli blind fold budget must be limited.

  66. johanna

    The Turnbull/Turner saga is fascinating – would make a great movie in the right hands.

    Those of us who have met people like crusty old farmer Turnbull and zealot Turner can see why it was never going to end well.

    Turner’s employers deserve a lot of the blame for letting him stay on a case which had obviously gone well beyond impartiality and into a personal vendetta.

  67. struth

    If this is the hate and abuse that wins promotion at the public broadcaster — if this is the invective that is deliberately amplified through publicly funded platforms — what hope do we have of ­improving the national debate, let alone our political outcomes?

    I would have thought Kenny would have well understood this already, as ABC comedians (that’s the joke) did a bit of a job on him a while back.

    He writes as if this is new.

    Kenny is just a bit sus in my books.

  68. calli

    But why would they lie Calli?

    An unfathomable mystery, mc.

  69. johanna

    That’ll show ’em!

    Female actresses attending this year’s Golden Globes ceremony are reportedly planning to wear only black in protest of the widening sexual abuse scandal that has engulfed Hollywood this year.

    According to E! News, the plan originally started with just a small group of women but gradually grew as other women wished to express solidarity.

    “So all of the female actresses and attendees, or most of them at least, are standing in solidarity together in a form of protest,” said ceremony host Jackie Oshry on The Morning Breath radio show. “They’re all going to be wearing black, obviously to protest the injustices that have been taking place in Hollywood since forever.”

    Just in case any sentient being still believes that anything emerging from the slimepit that is Hollywood has any significance other than boosting the profile/s of the promoters.

    Blockquote fail. Gah!

  70. OldOzzie

    Rupert Murdoch’s succession turns ugly

    James Murdoch turned 45 on Wednesday. His father Rupert spent James’ birthday working on the final details of the deal with Walt Disney Company that will write his son out of the family empire.

    The Murdoch succession was always going to be ugly.

    Remarkably, in the same week, Frank Lowy and Rupert Murdoch both announced that they were selling down, leaving most of the empires they have built in the hands of professional managers.

  71. JC

    Death of a nation.
    Aging population dynamics worse than Japan. Despite the economy doing much better than in previous years, young educated Italian kids leaving in droves. 10% of the population lives overseas. These young kids now being replaced hordes arriving from Africa and Middle East.

    Italy’s economy is doing its best for years, but Italians are still pouring out of the country.

    Gross domestic product is growing faster than at any point since 2010, employment is back to pre-crisis levels and the labour inactivity rate is close to an all-time low.

    So why has the number of Italians living outside the country reached 5.4m — a figure that represents almost 10 per cent of the population and which grew 3.5 per cent last year?

    and

    Italian emigrants are also more highly educated than the overall Italian population and university trained people are leaving in increasing numbers. Graduates make up about 30 per cent of emigrants from Italy, up from 12 per cent in 2002, according to official statistics.

    Read the whole thing.
    https://www.ft.com/content/cb9bd2ee-c07d-11e7-9836-b25f8adaa111

  72. lotocoti

    one of the dead palis in Gaza was in a wheelchair

    So?
    Equal treatment of the other-abled is a virtue.

  73. notafan

    His disabilities are the result of previous activity during Operation cast lead, no doubt a jihadi.

    His parents both suffering from ‘high blood pressure’ could not work but could produce 12 children only one of which, 29 year old heroic Ibrahim could work, apparently.

    Ibrahim Abu thraya story

  74. Ivan Denisovich

    From earlier this year:

    The Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne and a high-profile Catholic priest say they would break the law before breaking the confessional seal to report child institutional child sex abuse.

    The child abuse royal commission has made 85 recommendations that it says are aimed at better protecting children from sexual abuse.

    There should be “no excuse, protection nor privilege” for priests who fail to alert police because the information was received in confession, the royal commission report said.

    But the Catholic Church has already signalled it will oppose any move that forces priests to break the confessional seal.

    Archbishop Denis Hart, priest Frank Brennan and other religious leaders explain why they oppose mandatory reporting and why confessional privilege increases the likelihood of abusers turning themselves in.

    Will it actually protect children?
    The most contentious issue to come from the recommendations is one which threatens priests with criminal sanctions if they do not report incidents of child sexual abuse disclosed to them in confession.

    “The question is whether or not such a law as that, would help to protect children, and I as a Catholic priest would have to make a decision, whether in conscience, I could apply with such a law,” Father Brennan told RN Breakfast.

    “For me, the question would be whether or not such a law, if enacted, would actually protect children.

    “If the seal of the confessional be removed, is it any more likely that someone would come to me in confessional and confess child sexual abuse?

    “I don’t think it is any more likely. And given that in the Catholic Church a person is always entitled to anonymity … I think it is almost inconceivable that you would end with anyone confessing anything.

    “For those who know how confession actually works in the Catholic Church, I don’t think this will make one iota of difference. But if it were to make any difference, I think it would make children more vulnerable and not less.

    “Take away the seal and you will take away the one slim, slim possibility that maybe someone may present and confess.”

    Melbourne’s Archbishop Hart said he would also break the law if priests were required to break the seal of the confessional.

    “I believe that this is an absolutely sacrosanct communication of a higher order which priests by nature respect, they don’t ever want to do anything that would hurt children,” he said.

    “But it’s because of the nature of that encounter, they are bound by what the church sees as that encounter.”

    He said leaving confessions confidential has benefits for both offender and victim.

    “[It’s] perhaps the only opportunity where a person who has offended or a child who has been hurt can have the opportunity for broader advice and then outside the confessional for appropriate action to be taken.”

    As president of the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference, Archbishop Hart leads the nation’s Catholic clergy.

    He said priests still have responsibilities even if they cannot reveal what has been said at confession.

    Why would the law only apply to sex abuse crimes?

    Like Father Brennan, Brisbane Catholic Archbishop Mark Coleridge hit out at the recommendation to force priests to break the confidence of the confessional.

    He questioned why it only related to matters of child sexual abuse.

    “Why wouldn’t it apply to things like murder or theft, or any crime?” he said.

    “Why should it only cover one particular kind of crime, albeit a particularly heinous kind of crime?”

    So what happens when an abuser does confess?
    Father Brennan argued as long as the confessional seal remained in place it increased the possibility of abusers being brought to justice.

    “I would say, ‘I cannot give you absolution for your sins unless you show a firm purpose of amendment’,” Father Brennan said.

    “‘And given what you and I now know about child sexual abuse, I think it is imperative that you present yourself to the authorities … because there is no guarantee that you will not re-offend. Unless you are prepared to do that I will deny you absolution’.

    Archbishop Hart said sometimes, “offenders are so deluded about what they’ve done”, they do not seek broader advice outside confession.

    “It’s a difficult case and I’m totally committed to taking appropriate action but I would try to get it out of the confessional so that we could make sure that that never happened again,” he said.

    However, he said anything said in the confessional was sacrosanct.

    “But what I would do in that situation is to say, ‘Look, perhaps you could go and talk to your teacher, or perhaps you could go and talk to someone you trusted’.

    “Or, ‘Can you talk about this outside?’ So that then we can get it outside of that relationship and something can be done. I would be totally committed to that.”

    But what if the individual doesn’t go to the authorities?
    “Such an individual would have presented himself behind the grill,” Father Brennan said.

    “I will not know who he is and I will have no way of ascertaining who he is.

    “But I will have given a direction that I will withhold absolution unless he makes a commitment to present himself.”

    Internal church perpetrators and confessional disclosure
    Nearly 2,000 Catholic Church figures, including priests, religious brothers, sisters, and employees were identified as alleged perpetrators in a report released by the commission in February.

    The allegations raised the question of whether priests confessed to their crimes in the confessional.

    Father Brennan said “there has been that suggestion” adding he was consulted on this issue by the royal commission.

    “They discussed with me three cases — two of which then appear in the report,” he said.

    “Now, none of those cases related to a priest confessing to another priest.”

    Father Brennan suggested it could be more likely for someone from within the Catholic Church to confess their crime in a confessional than turn themselves into authorities.

    He said, as long as the seal of the confessional remained in place, honourable priests may have the chance of convincing an abuser from within the church to turn themselves in.

    Some good points but it seems to me that Brennan suggests that it’s up to the priest to decide whether to break the seal of the confessional. I understood the seal of the confessional to be sacrosanct i.e inviolable.

  75. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #2585638, posted on December 16, 2017 at 9:29 am

    Third generation problem again.

  76. stackja

    johanna
    #2585636, posted on December 16, 2017 at 9:28 am

    Why now? Hollywood since at least 1920s!

  77. OldOzzie

    Bennelong byelection becomes a test of Chinese Australian values

    If Malcolm Turnbull loses the crucial Bennelong byelection on Saturday he will likely rue a piece of calculated cleverness on the campaign trail that was designed to cut through to the huge bloc of Chinese Australian voters that could decide the seat.

    Last Saturday, Turnbull went to Bennelong to attack the ALP and Senator Sam Dastyari for its toleration of the Chinese interference in Australia’s political system that was revealed by donations paid to Senator Sam Dastyari by Beijing-linked millionaire Huang Xiangmao.

    Turnbull said the new laws he had just released to crack down on the likes of Dastyari were a matter of national security. That was when he might have been just a bit too clever.

    “Modern China was founded in 1949 with these words ‘Zhongguo ren men zhan qi lai’,” the Prime Minister said in Mandarin, “the Chinese people have stood up.”

    One Chinese Australian Bennelong voter, a senior executive from a large accounting firm who asked not to be named, says she is a Liberal voter but was baffled by Turnbull’s reference and thinks it will backfire.

    “The Prime Minister’s use of the phrase is irrelevant and incorrect. In fact, we did not have a case of oppression here in Australia. The relationship between China and Australia was good, until now.

    “When Australia compares Chinese-related donations to the aggression by foreign powers against China, it’s not only pointless, it offends the Chinese people’s [sense of] history. I think the PM acted inappropriately, impulsively and failed to check the context.”

    the political battle for the most Chinese seat in Australia has put the views of Bennelong’s Chinese Australians voters at the centre stage of national debate in a way that is probably unprecedented.

    About 13 per cent of Bennelong’s voters were born in China and 20 per cent have Chinese heritage, according to last year’s census.

    “Almost no one will stop loving their home country. They will love their home country, and even their parents’ home country. By making China the enemy of Australia, Turnbull will definitely hurt or insult or humiliate many Chinese background Australians,” says Jethro Lyu, who produces the Chinese online publication in Australia, Australian Insider.

  78. notafan

    I cannot understand why the state would expect people to maintain a koala sanctuary on private property.

    Wouldn’t the appropriate thing to do be for the government to buy it?

    Was the property cheap because of the restrictions?

    I feel sorry for the son, sounds like that other case where the son was suckered to work for peanuts and then dad changed the will.

  79. calli

    Looks like the Israeli blind fold budget must be limited.

    It’s a Gaza Strip.

    * boom/tish *

  80. struth

    As an ex interstate truck driver of many years I can assure you the thought of dropping a few over zealous scalies and power crazed nobodies has definitely entered my head.

    On the farm story above, I would simply state that if it is part of a farm, the state should have nothing to do with what goes on.
    He’s wasn’t clearing a national park.

    I would suggest that it is hard not to cheer for the farmer knowing the way we get harassed these days.
    I understand it wasn’t a good outcome but there are sometimes repercussions to your actions.
    The killed official obviously did not believe in private property rights and was willing to work for a department at war with the very concept.
    Personal responsibility.
    “It’s just my job” (the typical public servant response) doesn’t cut it.
    Whether or not one of his sons thinks he was an arsehole, which he well may have been, the farmer got pushed and harassed by a power crazed petty bureaucrat who had no respect for one of the basic founding principles of our civilisation.

    And another side line issue.
    There are shitloads of Koalas along the east coast of Australia.
    I think this needs pointing out.
    They are the type of creature you don’t see until you go looking for them.

    From my personal experience, Koalas are in numbers large enough not to worry about them.
    I am sure the Koala hospital would disagree, but why wouldn’t they?

  81. duncanm

    got on the train at Epping yesterday — both JA and KK in full flight catching the commute crowd as they left the station. Wished them both good luck (what else can you do? and besides, I’m not in Bennelong).

    Never seen so much action in an election.

  82. stackja

    Chris Kenny is a journalist.

  83. notafan

    Yes people go to confession in anonymity.

    Unlike people who confess their child sex abuse to their doctors or lawyers or sometimes journalists.
    something on confession by Cardinal Muller at first things

  84. johanna

    The Catholic Church is folding like a cheap tent:

    The Ballarat Catholic Diocese says it is open to a recommendation from the child sexual abuse royal commission that parish priests be stripped of their power over schools.

    The diocese has been referred to as the epicentre of child sexual abuse, with hundreds of victims.

    Incidentally, does the so-called ‘journalist’ who typed this nonsense even know what the word ‘epicentre‘ means?

    Of course not. Literacy is very low on the list of requirements for somebody who writes for a living these days.

  85. Geriatric Mayfly

    Greens everywhere creating trouble.

    Greens and Muslims everywhere creating trouble.

  86. JC

    I cannot understand why the state would expect people to maintain a koala sanctuary on private property.

    Wouldn’t the appropriate thing to do be for the government to buy it?

    Was the property cheap because of the restrictions?

    I feel sorry for the son, sounds like that other case where the son was suckered to work for peanuts and then dad changed the will.

    Fan

    We can never know the private workings or the dynamics inside a family, so we can’t take the son’s word as gospel.

    What we do know is that the father was terrorized by the taxeating scumbag and the result was he ended up dead. While I don’t condone the murder I can fully understand it and why it occurred.

    It was Turnbull’s property, so the state can fuck right off, as far as I’m concerned.
    And yea, these private sanctuaries are being created on the cheap by the state stealing private property. That’s what it is.. theft!

  87. Ivan Denisovich

    One effect of the RC’s recommendations might be that the traditional confessional once again becomes the norm:

    From at least the time of the Council of Trent, the usual venue for the celebration of the Sacrament of Penance has been the confessional situated in a church or oratory. In the traditional confessional, the priest and the penitent remain in separate compartments and they speak to each other through a grill, screen, or lattice which is often covered by a veil. In many confessionals, the confessor sits between two compartments, each of which has a kneeler for a penitent. The priest is able to close off one of the penitent’s compartments with a sliding screen so that only one penitent will be confessing at a time. The confessional admits of a variety of styles from simple and austere to magnificently carved wooden structures. It may be designed with or without doors and with or without curtains. In all of its design variations, the confessional is essentially intended to afford anonymity to the penitent. It also serves to protect both the penitent and the priest from unchaste touch and from false accusations. The traditional confessional box nonetheless permits a kind of sacred intimacy in which the penitent confesses sins to God through the priest who acts in persona Christi.

    http://www.sacredarchitecture.org/articles/the_perennial_value_of_the_traditional_confessional/

  88. stackja

    Almost no one will stop loving their home country.

    So all Chinese are dual citizens?

  89. struth

    If we have an electorate in Australia that has a high enough percentage of one ethnic group in it to apparently sway an election, then it is proof of the failure of multiculturalism.
    As if we needed anymore proof.

  90. Empire GTHO Phase III

    The Ballarat Catholic Diocese says it is open to a recommendation from the child sexual abuse royal commission that parish priests be stripped of their power over schools.

    Priestly authority over schools maybe the only thing stopping CE being completely captured by liberation theologists. It’s a terrible idea.

  91. The Moribund Barking Toad

    somewhere in the top twenty

  92. Rabz

    “I think the Chinese community in Bennelong would be ­unimpressed by the constant, rampant China-phobia from Malcolm Turnbull — let’s call it as it is.” Shorten

    FFS, what a disgusting hypocrite.

  93. Rabz

    And that observation is not meant as a defence of the Waffleroach.

  94. Baldrick

    The Left :

    New York Magazine ✔ @NYMag
    Congrats to the now 28-year-old Taylor Swift for being the only person who seemed to enjoy 2017

    Everybody has to be as miserable as every other leftard.

  95. JC

    Funny story about Harold Holt in the Oz. He went down the beach to see his mistress.

    Harold Holt was at Cheviot Beach, Portsea, with his secret lover, Marjorie Gillespie, her daughter Vyner and two of their friends, Martin Simpson and Alan Stewart.

    Holt, wearing tight-fitting swimming trunks and sand shoes without laces, was untroubled by the high tide and raging surf. “I know this beach like the back of my hand,” he said with a touch of bravado.

    Amazing how this didn’t get out.

    Gillespie later acknowledged she was Holt’s lover and said he planned to marry her. Zara Holt set her straight, saying her husband was “a womaniser” who “was having affairs everywhere”. Gillespie, apparently, was “only one of a string” of lovers in multiple cities. A sex scandal would have threatened not only Holt’s integrity but also his prime ministership.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/harold-holt-took-his-troubles-to-cheviot-beach/news-story/e52268bc2244d0186ef390ae371c86ec

  96. Tel

    Presumably the Chinese community in Bennelong made a decision they did not want to live in China under the control of the Chinese government.

  97. johanna

    I have a Malaysian Chinese and a Singaporean Chinese in my social circle. While both of them have links to Chinese culture (looking after elders, the odd superstitious belief, etc) neither feels a skerrick of loyalty to the Chicoms.

    Nor do they have any fears that the Chicoms will threaten their extended family in Malaysia or Singapore.

    I would be interested to know what percentage of the people described as ‘Chinese’ in Bennelong are from the PRC, as opposed to Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong, for example.

    It does make a difference.

  98. JC

    I don’t know if it was intentional (hope it was), but the tax bill could really fuck the blue states.

    A prospective client abruptly ended her hunt to buy a three-bedroom apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side last week, said broker Donna Olshan.

    The reason: uncertainty over how the latest Republican tax plan would hit her family.

    Like many New Yorkers, the client was bracing for a blow, under the latest tax bill under consideration in Washington. “The bill is an absolute dagger in the heart of the real-estate industry in New York,” said Ms. Olshan, a broker who issues a weekly report on high-end sales in the city.

    House and Senate Republicans agreed on a framework this week for a tax bill that cuts corporate taxes and lowers rates for the wealthy. But it also reduces breaks that many in the New York region heavily lean on, such as the deductibility of mortgage interest and state and local tax deductions.

    A prospective client abruptly ended her hunt to buy a three-bedroom apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side last week, said broker Donna Olshan.

    The reason: uncertainty over how the latest Republican tax plan would hit her family.

    Like many New Yorkers, the client was bracing for a blow, under the latest tax bill under consideration in Washington. “The bill is an absolute dagger in the heart of the real-estate industry in New York,” said Ms. Olshan, a broker who issues a weekly report on high-end sales in the city.

    House and Senate Republicans agreed on a framework this week for a tax bill that cuts corporate taxes and lowers rates for the wealthy. But it also reduces breaks that many in the New York region heavily lean on, such as the deductibility of mortgage interest and state and local tax deductions.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-tax-plan-looms-like-a-dagger-over-new-york-city-critics-say-1513371936

  99. Rabz

    “It’s just my job” (the typical public servant response) doesn’t cut it.

    AKA “the Nuremberg defence”. Didn’t work out well for those citing it.

  100. JC

    Tel
    #2585671, posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:12 am

    Presumably the Chinese community in Bennelong made a decision they did not want to live in China under the control of the Chinese government.

    True, but you also have to realize that most people aren’t as hyper attuned to political bullshit being dished out by the left. It’s not by accident that the American blonde airhead and Tits are basically waging a racist charged campaign against the Libs.

    See the earlier link in the OZ
    Labor and friends serve up another helping of bile and hate

    They do this because it’s effective and have been brazenly lying since Workchoices without any reprecussions.

  101. Tom

    Latest meme penned mindlessly by some J-school grad at Fakefacts Radio in the 10am radio news (and no doubt repeated at Their ABC): all violence in the Middle East is now Donald Trump’s fault. Every story for the next year about Arab street terrorism in the M/E will contain the phrase “… following Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel”.

    The effortless dissemination of anti-Jewish propaganda by 95% of the 21st century global media makes the Third Reich look like a backyard operation.

  102. Tom

    Latest meme penned mindlessly by some J-school grad at Fakefacts Radio in the 10am radio news (and no doubt repeated at Their ABC): all violence in the Middle East is now Donald Trump’s fault. Every story for the next year about Arab street terrorism in the M/E will contain the phrase “… following Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel”.

    The effortless dissemination of anti-Jooish propaganda by 95% of the 21st century global media makes the Third Reich look like a backyard operation.

  103. JC

    It’s just my job” (the typical public servant response) doesn’t cut it.

    AKA “the Nuremberg defence”. Didn’t work out well for those citing it.

    Also : They chose that job. No one forced them to take it.

  104. Rae

    The son seems a piece of work

    The old man was certainly a piece of work. The coroner will surely put the eldest son Roger and his wife on the stand. If what the Australian article says is correct, then they and others in the family might be considered accomplices to the murder of Turner.

  105. JC

    Sure, big fat Harvey is a terrible human being and a pervert, but why is his claim about these two be untrue?

    Director Peter Jackson says he is now realizing that Harvey Weinstein’s advice to avoid working with Mira Sorvino or Ashley Judd was likely part of a smear campaign against the two actresses.

    Jackson tells Stuff that he was told by Miramax in the late 1990s that they were “a nightmare” to work with and thus didn’t consider either for his Lord of the Rings films.

    For instance, we’ve seen Judd acting like a lunatic in the past.

  106. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2585683, posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:28 am

    Fuck off Haidee Mac

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Fifty years since Holt disappeared at Cheviot Beach?

  108. Rabz

    That Turner sounds like a morally and ethically bunkrupt environazi idiot.

    When the state allows jumped up little fascists like him the license to unrelentingly harass property owners engaged in commercial activity on their property, you realise exactly what sort of person he was by the fact that he didn’t think what he was doing was in any way unacceptable.

    Just following orders, indeed. It certainly shows how far as a country and a society we have fallen.

    The solution? The importation of millions more chinamen, injuns and moozleys. You know it makes sense.

  109. JC

    Baldrick
    #2585685, posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:30 am

    Rae
    #2585683, posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:28 am

    Fuck off Haidee Mac

    Gargelooye is up there as the saddest commenter here. Just sad.

  110. OldOzzie

    johanna
    #2585672, posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:17 am
    I would be interested to know what percentage of the people described as ‘Chinese’ in Bennelong are from the PRC, as opposed to Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong, for example.

    johanna, if you look at % Chinese in Bennelong

    gives break up cantonese vs mandarin speakers – cantonese probably HKG Chinese, Malaysian Chinese tend
    to speak Mandarin, Taiwan Mandarin, Singapore Mandarin

  111. notafan

    The diocese of Ballarat can be quoted as whatever.

    It doesn’t speak for the church on sacramental matters.

    All this btw is locking the stable after the horse has bolted.

    Dear Pope Benedict said no to vocationals for homosexuals.

    Problem not eliminated but given that boys were predominantly the prey, will vastly diminish.

    Heterosexual men being driven to altar boys is a tall story.

    Not when there are plenty of women who will willingly enter illicit sexual relationships with priests.

    Oh I forgot, they are victims too.

  112. Rabz

    Director Peter Jackson says he is now realizing that Harvey Weinstein …

    … is poison and it’s time to join the denunciation queue.

    How ho hum. Speaking of morally and ethically bankrupt idiots.

  113. mc

    It’s a Gaza Strip.

    I see what you did there….l like your work!

  114. OneWorldGovernment

    Have no idea of other States in Australia but from at least the 1970’s NSW Parks & Wildlife (whatever they were called back then) type folk were able to carry guns on their hips and had authority to walk into any home or premises without cause.

    They had more authority than police.

  115. JC

    Rabz

    I believe the stories about big fat Harvey, although most of Selma Hayek’s (Me too) appears hard to believe. However, having said that, it may also be true that Big Fat Harvey had a point about warning directors about some of these female stars being complete nutballs.

  116. Baldrick

    Gargelooye is up there as the saddest commenter here. Just sad.

    The creepy, stalking cockhead has been smoted and smoted, but still he keeps coming back for more of the same.
    It’s beyond sad.

  117. notafan

    JC

    I was merely commenting that farmers underpaying sons on the basis of future promises seems to be not uncommon, and therefore believable.

    I remember my grandmother talking about a local family where the three vsons were , in their forties, still being given ten shillings by their father to see a movie on a Saturday night.

    Power breeds tyranny.

    Also have seen the same in extended family. Emotional blackmail to keep the one useful son producing for his parents and siblings.

  118. Bear Necessities

    I don’t know if it was intentional (hope it was), but the tax bill could really fuck the blue states.
    A prospective client abruptly ended her hunt to buy a three-bedroom apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side last week, said broker Donna Olshan.
    The reason: uncertainty over how the latest Republican tax plan would hit her family.
    Like many New Yorkers, the client was bracing for a blow, under the latest tax bill under consideration in Washington. “The bill is an absolute dagger in the heart of the real-estate industry in New York,” said Ms. Olshan, a broker who issues a weekly report on high-end sales in the city.
    House and Senate Republicans agreed on a framework this week for a tax bill that cuts corporate taxes and lowers rates for the wealthy. But it also reduces breaks that many in the New York region heavily lean on, such as the deductibility of mortgage interest and state and local tax deductions.
    A prospective client abruptly ended her hunt to buy a three-bedroom apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side last week, said broker Donna Olshan.
    The reason: uncertainty over how the latest Republican tax plan would hit her family.
    Like many New Yorkers, the client was bracing for a blow, under the latest tax bill under consideration in Washington. “The bill is an absolute dagger in the heart of the real-estate industry in New York,” said Ms. Olshan, a broker who issues a weekly report on high-end sales in the city.
    House and Senate Republicans agreed on a framework this week for a tax bill that cuts corporate taxes and lowers rates for the wealthy. But it also reduces breaks that many in the New York region heavily lean on, such as the deductibility of mortgage interest and state and local tax deductions.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-tax-plan-looms-like-a-dagger-over-new-york-city-critics-say-1513371936

    This is creative destruction at its finest!

  119. Boambee John

    Rick W at 0615

    Australia isn’t in decay, it’s in full blown deconstruction.

    “A parliament full of foreigners, a country full of foreigners, working in harmony to destroy or discredit anything that might be considered part of Old Australia.”

    The most amazing thing about this process is that the idiots causing the damage seem to think that they (and they alone) will retain their privileged positions after they hand Australia (and Canada) over to a different culture.

    SJWs, Slime, and their like will not like the demands of their new Muslim or Chinese overlords.

  120. johanna

    Interesting stats, Old Ozzie.

    Seems to me that it is probably undercounting Chinese, as it doesn’t include those from Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, etc, just those from PRC.

  121. Rabz

    JC – how expedient and hypocritical are these people? They knew the score, sucked the cock and got the gigs.

    Screeching about it twenty years later strikes me as a bit pathetic, quite frankly.

    I also think that streep creature is one of the most loathsome figures in Hollyweird. Just vile.

  122. Leigh Lowe

    It is 50 years since Harold Holt went for the swim which needs no towel.
    Take a hint Malcolm.

  123. JC

    Fan

    That could be the case, sure. However I’m not seeing anyone evidence the father had chained his son to a fence post. In other words, the son was free to leave at any time if he thought his comp was undervalued, or that his dad wouldn’t keep his word.

    There also seems to be evidence of the opposite where the article mentions the father buying land for one of his kids. It doesn’t sound like the father was the ogre that this son made him out to be.

  124. notafan

    The current tax arrangements in the US are simply a transfer from the Federal government to the States and an incentive to maintain high mortgages, especially for the rich.
    Blue states that assumed their right to spend more and more of other people’s money would be propped up are now hoist on their own petard.

    Haha

  125. JC

    I also think that streep creature is one of the most loathsome figures in Hollyweird. Just vile.

    In the immortal words of the President… “way overrated” as an actress.

  126. Rabz

    Blue states that assumed their right to spend more and more of other people’s money would be propped up are now hoist on their own petard.

    Such is the genius of Fatty Trump – Winning!

    🙂

  127. calli

    Adults can cut ties with tyrannical parents. Surprised the tyrannised son and his missus hung around. Better to push off and start again.

  128. C.L.

    The Ballarat Catholic Diocese says it is open to a recommendation from the child sexual abuse royal commission that parish priests be stripped of their power over schools.

    LOL.

    Priests have never had any real power over schools.

    Schools have traditionally been run by religious – and, more recently, laity – with Father a pretty distant and occasional figure in the scheme of things.

    Just to repeat that: priests have no “power” over schools anyway; you are far more likely to run into a Sihk maths teacher at a Catholic school than a priest.

    This proves (again) that the Royal Commissioner – who told a Melbourne audience recently all about the altar boy stories he used to hear behind the dunnies at his snobby boyhood protestant school – is being a low-rent troll rather than a serious jurist who gives a single shit about children.

  129. Leigh Lowe

    JC – how expedient and hypocritical are these people? They knew the score, sucked the cock and got the gigs.

    But enough about the chaps in the NSW Liberal Party …

  130. notafan

    Like I said JC it reminded me of the case spruiked here as the poor exwife being booted from the family home by the dastardly eldest son

    Well the story wasn’t quite as simple as that

    Looks like the whole lot will go to lawyers in the end

    I have no doubt people find it very hard to walk away from years of hard work without a penny in their pockets

  131. C.L.

    Female actresses attending this year’s Golden Globes ceremony are reportedly planning to wear only black in protest of the widening sexual abuse scandal that has engulfed Hollywood this year.

    Maybe they should wear blue dresses … in solidarity with the women Bill Clinton raped.
    SCUBA tanks in memory of Ted Kennedy’s victims, optional.

  132. JC

    This doesn’t sound like an ogreish father to me.

    The feud between Turnbull and Turner began in late 2011 with the family’s purchase of two ­additional properties — Colorado and Strathdoon — at Croppa Creek, a one-shop hamlet 40km from Moree. Turnbull, who was one of the biggest property owners in the area, had gone guarantor on the farms for his son Grant and Roger’s son Cory.

    It appears Dad had signed the loan agreements both for his own son and a grandson.

    Yep, that’s sounds like he was an awful father and grandad.

  133. calli

    People do it all the time, nota when a business goes belly-up. They should have walked and got on with their lives. No juicy inheritance makes up for lost years.

  134. Rae

    Underpaid son = red herring, distraction squirrel.

    One of the properties bought by the old man was for his son Rogers son Cory. That sort of suggests the family were all on good terms at the time. Seems like Roger broke ranks after the event.

  135. Snoopy

    In the immortal words of the President… “way overrated” as an actress.

    She’s plain. She’s up there. She must be able to act.

  136. Chris

    I have a Malaysian Chinese and a Singaporean Chinese in my social circle. While both of them have links to Chinese culture (looking after elders, the odd superstitious belief, etc) neither feels a skerrick of loyalty to the Chicoms.

    Nor do they have any fears that the Chicoms will threaten their extended family in Malaysia or Singapore.

    I would be interested to know what percentage of the people described as ‘Chinese’ in Bennelong are from the PRC, as opposed to Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong, for example.

    It does make a difference.

    Johanna I was in a mine bought by Chinese and the Chinese colleague I gained was a very interesting man with a lot I could learn from him. But it was particularly interesting to gather some of ‘the vibe’ of social attitudes and modern structures that is way different to what we are used to imagining. I wish I had more time working with him.

    For instance, the Singapore Chinese of our family are like us very family oriented. But under the One Child Policy, in general modern young adult Chinese have NO siblings, aunts, uncles and NO first cousins. That really takes a whole heap of connectedness out of every person’s life. They only have parents and grandparents. And of course, any younger person’s death destroys not an individual but a family descent; it is also the death of the future for the grandparents and parents.

    Now we westerners tended to think the One Child Policy was to prevent Malthusian overpopulation and famine. When it was brought in there was a great expectation that was the future, after local famines in Africa and India in the sixties and seventies. But they kept it going a decade and a half after those fears receded.

    I realise that it HAS created the objective of activists and radicals sought by both of the early Communist parties and of radical gender politics since the seventies: they call to subvert and break down the family to achieve their preferred societies. Communists want to break families to create primary allegiance to the state, and queers to remove the protection and moral grounding to make children and young people ‘theirs’.

  137. notafan

    #fakenews

    [email protected]: Today is the day we get to send @TurnbullMalcolm a message. Bennelong have a choice between a Liberal Government that cuts medicare or Labor that will always protects it. MORE: http://bit.ly/2Az8Agq

    I suppose mainland Chinese bringing friends and family out for medicare card holidays will be concerned.

  138. calli

    My take is that Turnbull and the daughter in law didn’t get on. Hence helping the grandson rather than the son.

    It’s like a soap opera.

  139. JC

    My take is that Turnbull and the daughter in law didn’t get on. Hence helping the grandson rather than the son.

    It’s like a soap opera.

    Which is why I warned to never speculate on family dynamics. You never know the real truth.

  140. C.L.

    Wow …
    Confirmed: Trump’s accusers were prostitutes working for Hillary Clinton. This is huge …
    The Hill reports: Exclusive: Prominent lawyer sought donor cash for two Trump accusers.

    A well-known women’s rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump during the final months of the 2016 presidential race, according to documents and interviews.

    California lawyer Lisa Bloom’s efforts included offering to sell alleged victims’ stories to TV outlets in return for a commission for herself, arranging a donor to pay off one Trump accuser’s mortgage and attempting to secure a six-figure payment for another woman who ultimately declined to come forward after being offered as much as $750,000, the clients told The Hill.

    The women’s accounts were chronicled in contemporaneous contractual documents, emails and text messages reviewed by The Hill, including an exchange of texts between one woman and Bloom that suggested political action committees supporting Hillary Clinton were contacted during the effort.

  141. Zyconoclast

    Almost no one will stop loving their home country.

    So all Chinese are dual citizens?

    Sleeper cells?

    migratnts from China make up between 25k-30k per year. That is 15-20% of the annual intake.
    Only India has more migrants coming to Australia.

    This does not include students and other temporaries.

  142. Rae

    My take on it is that they all knew it was coming and did nothing about it. Maybe they even egged the old man on. Then when it did happen Rogers conscience kicked in. The rest of the family have circled the wagons.

  143. herodotus

    There is no justification for draconian native veg laws unless you’re some sort of hippy enviro-loon.
    NSW repealed the Native Vegetation Act 2003 in August this year, but measures limiting clearing of native vegetation live on in other acts like the Local Land Services Act 2013 No 51 and the Biodiversity Conservation Act 2016.

    While one must condemn the extreme measure of shooting the government representative, the fact that it got to that stage is regrettable but unsurprising. It is a failure of government writ large. Governments need to have better tuned antennae and better assessment of scientific reality than to enforce laws that are clearly from the lunatic left fringe. But they passed them!
    The destruction of our power system is a case in point, but nothing short of concentration camps for all those who support it will right the ship, it seems.

  144. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I was merely commenting that farmers underpaying sons on the basis of future promises seems to be not uncommon, and therefore believable.

    I remember my grandmother talking about a local family where the three vsons were , in their forties, still being given ten shillings by their father to see a movie on a Saturday night.

    It’s called the “forty year old jackaroo” syndrome. Son leaves school as soon as he can, thinking it’s his duty. Father stays on, refusing to retire, son is still basically the hired hand at forty, dad makes the big decisions, Mum controls the chequebook.

    The most extreme cases I witnessed involved a son, who after thirty years of very little wages was told that if he wanted the place, he’d have to buy it. He’d be expected to contribute to the support of his siblings, none of who had elicited any interest in the farm, the associated business, or, indeed, the idea of working for a living.

  145. Ivan Denisovich

    This stinks:

    A STUDENT has had rape charges thrown out after 40,000 new messages from his accuser pestering him for sex came to light.

    A STUDENT has described going through “mental torture” after a rape case against him was thrown out in court because police had failed to hand over more than 40,000 messages from his accuser.

    Liam Allan, 22, faced up to ten years in jail charged with six counts of rape and six counts of sexual assault against a young woman over a 14-month period that began when he was 19.

    The criminology student at Greenwich University had spent nearly two years on bail and three days in Croydon Crown Court when the trial was stopped in a dramatic fashion after it emerged police officers had failed to hand over evidence that proved his innocence.

    The alleged victim had claimed she did not enjoy sex, while Mr Allan claimed it was consensual and she was acting maliciously because he refused to see her after he returned to university.

    Now, the judge has called for an inquiry at the “very highest level” to understand why police failed to hand over critical evidence including 40,000 messages from the accuser to Mr Allan and friends.

    The messages showed how she had continually messaged Mr Allan for “casual sex”, said how much she enjoyed it and discussed fantasies of violent sex and rape, The Times reports.

    Outside the court, Mr Allan said he went through “mental torture” over the two year period and relied on the system to uncover evidence that would exonerate him.

    When first accused, he turned to a local lawyer he had done work experience with and said he was terrified at the idea of going to prison with sex offenders and worried about what would happen to his mum and flatmates when he was away.

    “You are all on your own. I could not talk to my mother about the details of the case because she might have been called as a witness. I couldn’t talk with my friends because they might have been called. I felt completely isolated at every stage of the process,” he said.

    “I can’t explain the mental torture of the past two years. … I feel betrayed by the system which I had believed would do the right thing, the system I want to work in.”

    The life-changing discovery was made at the 11th hour when a new prosecutor, Jerry Hayes, took over the case one day before the trial began and ordered police to hand over records — including a computer disk that contained 40,000 messages.

    Mr Allan’s lawyers had already sought access to the accusers’s telephone records and messages but their requests were denied on the basis there was nothing of interest in them.

    Upon discovering the messages, Mr Hayes said he would offer no evidence in court and would like to “apologise” to Mr Allan.

    “There was a terrible failure in disclosure which was inexcusable,” he said. “There could have been a serious miscarriage of justice, which could have led to a very significant period of imprisonment and life on the sex offenders register. It appears the officer in the case has not reviewed the disk, which is quite appalling.”

    Speaking later, he said detectives had previously told him the sexual messages were “too personal” to share.

    “The defence quickly saw the information blew the prosecution out of the water. If they had not been seen this boy faced 12 years in prison and on the sex offenders’ register for life with little chance of appeal. This was a massive miscarriage of justice, which thank heavens was avoided,” he told the BBC.

    Judge Peter Gower said Mr Allan was not guilty on all charges.

    “There is something that has gone wrong and it is a matter that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in my judgment should be considering at the very highest level,” he said.

    “Mr Allan leaves the courtroom an innocent man without a stain on his character.”

    Mr Allan’s defence lawyer Julia Smart said she also received details about the text messages the night before she was due to cross examine the accuser, and when she told the court of her findings the trial was scrapped.

    Mr Allan’s mum, Lorraine Allan, 46, said the “current climate” means that many people are treated as “guilty until you can prove you’re innocent.”

    A spokesman for London Metropolitan Police said: “We are aware of this case being dismissed from court and are carrying out an urgent assessment to establish the circumstances which led to this action being taken.

    “We are working closely with the Crown Prosecution Service and keeping in close contact with the victim while this process takes place.”

    The Crown Prosecution Service said they will not conduct a “management review” with the Metropolitian Police to “examine the way in which the case was handled.”

    Mr Hayes, who is a former Conservative MP wrote in The Times the case marked the most “appalling failure of disclosure I have ever encountered.”

    “The CPS are under terrible pressure, as are the police. Both work hard but are badly under-resourced.

    “Crown court trials only work because of the co-operation and goodwill of advocates and the bench — but time pressures are making this increasingly difficult.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/student-liam-allans-rape-charges-scrapped-after-40000-messages-from-accuser-revealed-in-court/news-story/4d2a6cdb2414427fab5dc69df62d4bc8

    I’m not accepting at face value that this was just an oversight by the police, as claimed. This suggests otherwise:

    he said detectives had previously told him the sexual messages were “too personal” to share

    It smells of SJWs on the rampage. This needs to be thoroughly investigated and the full weight of the law brought to bear on any guilty.

  146. Tintarella Di Luna

    So many Australian Conservative supporters here a wall of white a choice for freedom,family and faith.

  147. notafan

    I’m aware Calli but family ties tend to be stronger than a mere business going bust

    I’m not defending it I am simply saying that those ties of fealty and love , combined with financial commitments can be hard to break, and it isn’t as if the money isn’t there any more, it usually is, in big numbers.

    And sometimes people, whose only skills are farm/family business related don”t know what else it is that they can do.

  148. Baldrick

    Female actresses attending this year’s Golden Globes ceremony are reportedly planning to wear only black in protest of the widening sexual abuse scandal that has engulfed Hollywood this year.

    … when really, the best form of protest would be not to attend, but hey, let’s not miss out an opportunity to get in front of a camera.

  149. Geriatric Mayfly

    This proves (again) that the Royal Commissioner – who told a Melbourne audience recently all about the altar boy stories he used to hear behind the dunnies at his snobby boyhood protestant school – is being a low-rent troll rather than a serious jurist who gives a single shit about children.

    Just wondering if McLellan is a deep Lodge goat galloper.

  150. notafan

    A spokesman for London Metropolitan Police said: “We are aware of this case being dismissed from court and are carrying out an urgent assessment to establish the circumstances which led to this action being taken.

    What a disgrace, he should millions in compensation for pain and suffering

  151. Snoopy

    A well-known women’s rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump

    At least we can take comfort that Gloria Allred didn’t use this scam with her protege Beverly Young.

  152. Token

    Why are Chinese portrayed by the liars party and their ABC clients as one large homogeneous unthinking clump, unable to seperate their own needs & objectives from the state of China?

    Why do they act as if the individuals are totally unthinking thralls of the state?

    [Rhetorical question]

  153. C.L.

    I’d bet a thousand dollars the police officer who hid the 40,000 texts is a lesbian.

  154. notafan

    “…in the whole history of the Church the choice for celibacy has always been understood to be objectively higher than the choice for marriage, because the celibate anticipates in his flesh the world of the future resurrection. Rather than pass through the intermediate state of earthly marriage, the priest or religious steps outside the bounds of ordinary life and begins to live, in advance, the nuptial realities of heaven.

    Contrary to popular impressions, the documents of Vatican II did not break with this traditional understanding. The same documents that resoundingly affirm marriage continue to assign to celibacy an “eminent” position, one “always . . . held in particular honor in the Church.” In the language of Lumen Gentium, the religious, by his profession, seeks “more abundant fruit” from the grace of his baptism, is “more intimately consecrated to divine service,” and “more fully manifests to all believers the presence of heavenly goods already possessed here below.” In St. John Chrysostom’s formulation, “It is something better than what is admitted to be good that is the most excellent good,” a conclusion echoed by John Paul II. “Virginity, or celibacy, by liberating the human heart in a unique way,” he writes in the apostolic exhortation Familiaris Consortio, “bears witness that the Kingdom of God . . . is that pearl of great price which is preferred to every other value no matter how great.”

    A little something on priestly celibacy, also at first things

  155. Token

    I don’t know if it was intentional (hope it was), but the tax bill could really fuck the blue states.

    Why should taxpayers in low tax states continue to pay higher taxes to subsidize housing prices in high tax states?

    That is neither equitable or good public policy

  156. Farmer Gez

    It seems to me that that in the Turnbull/Turner case that two pig headed pricks were locked into a fight that saner senior levels should have stopped. Who was overseeing the the case?
    Big landholders in that area have a reputation as arrogant, do as you like types.
    A contractor, who moved to Victoria, worked in that area for years and could not get over how friendly and welcoming the local cockie are.
    He said you were never invited to the big station owners houses and were sent a cheque in the mail.
    “They treated you like dirt” were his exact words.
    He loved the long chats and quite a few beers when he dropped the invoice at the local farmer’s houses.
    Some blokes are just arseholes, no matter their cause.

  157. Boambee John

    “I think the Chinese community in Bennelong would be ­unimpressed by the constant, rampant China-phobia from Malcolm Turnbull — let’s call it as it is.” Shorten

    As different to tbe Japan-phobia displayed by Shorten in a discussion on the submarine project a while ago?

  158. johanna

    Ivan, it is a rare public sector stuff-up which does not blame ‘lack of resources.’ The solution is always that if you give us more money this won’t happen.

    It’s bullshit. And I agree with you that something stinks to high heaven about this case.

  159. Myrddin Seren

    Presumably the Chinese community in Bennelong made a decision they did not want to live in China under the direct control of the Chinese government.

    I fixes it !!

    Some people definitely want a complete break. But I have seen the Motherland chasing reluctant expats to share any useful commercial insights.

    Others seem to want less direct threat to their wellbeing – pollution, expropriation, war risk – but are Sinophiles nonetheless and will cooperate or support the Motherland. The North Shore of Sydney is starting to look like Chinese colonial beach head. Fortunately there are lots of Japanese, Koreans, Thais, Malaysians and Filipinos, so there will be counterpressures.

    But the Chinese can export a lot of people and still not break the productivity and social structures back home.

  160. Ivan Denisovich

    Blue states that assumed their right to spend more and more of other people’s money would be propped up are now hoist on their own petard.

    Would love to see that applied here. Hello S.A., hello Tas.

  161. calli

    Female actresses attending this year’s Golden Globes ceremony are reportedly planning to wear only black in protest of the widening sexual abuse scandal that has engulfed Hollywood this year.

    Chortle. I guess neck to ankle serge?

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Big landholders in that area have a reputation as arrogant, do as you like types.
    A contractor, who moved to Victoria, worked in that area for years and could not get over how friendly and welcoming the local cockie are.
    He said you were never invited to the big station owners houses and were sent a cheque in the mail.
    “They treated you like dirt” were his exact words.

    My shearing contractor claimed that it’s the “fine old families of the district” that kept him waiting for his cheque – the record was “until the wool was sold.” “It’s the blokes like you, that write the cheque as the last sheep goes down the chute that keep me afloat.”

  163. calli
    #2585713, posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:48 am

    Adults can cut ties with tyrannical parents. Surprised the tyrannised son and his missus hung around. Better to push off and start again.

    That’s what i find so surprising – why did he hang around such a tyrant when large commercial farms are always after quality farm managers.

  164. Token

    Anyone know why this lot demands all taxpayers subsidize abortion?

    Lefty men (and women – thanks Reg) are so bad, it is no surprise women demand protection against them.

    All Kansas House Democrats will receive sexual harassment prevention training in December after multiple women stepped forward with allegations of harassment at the Kansas Capitol and the wider world of Kansas politics.

    … Schodorf said she told Goyle about the assault and that Goyle immediately took her to see a Kansas Democratic Party executive committee member.

    “And nothing ever happened,” she said…

    … Asked about whether he reported the incident to the police, Carmichael replied, “Quite honestly, I didn’t understand it to be my responsibility.”

  165. Token

    Some people definitely want a complete break. But I have seen the Motherland chasing reluctant expats to share any useful commercial insights.

    Talk to the large number of practicing Chinese Christians on the north shore about the treatment of Christians and churches by the Chinese state.

    We could also discuss Buddhists and their desire to worship freely and a certain referendum where a large number groups had “It’s ok to vote No” signs outside their places of worship.

    Only people whose life experience with Chinese people is eating & acting as bores at a high price restaurant on Sussex Street would hold such unsophisticated views (some may even say wacist).

  166. Baldrick

    Chortle. I guess neck to ankle serge?

    Highly unlikely calli. They are after all trying to sell their wares for the next Hollyweird offer.

  167. Uh oh

    Lots of talk about religious institutions copping it in the neck for not reporting child sexual abuse but what happens to the parents who did the same? Must be an awful lot of people out there who didn’t go to the police because of the shame or the further trauma they thought would happen to their kids. Are they now to be retrospectively prosecuted for doing what they thought was in the child’s best interests?

  168. Struth;

    Personal responsibility.
    “It’s just my job” (the typical public servant response) doesn’t cut it.

    We hung scores of Japanese and German soldiers in a little place called Nuremburg in the late 40s who gave that excuse.
    It wasn’t acceptable then, and isn’t acceptable now.

  169. Token

    It is not just the men in D’rat men Kansas with serious problems with sex and attitudes to sex:

    A Democratic congressional candidate in Kansas dropped out of the 2018 race after accusations of sexual harassment from her past resurfaced, leaving her the rare woman to be felled by the #MeToo movement that has largely brought down powerful men.

    Andrea Ramsey, who was hoping to unseat Republican Representative Kevin Yoder in Kansas’s 3rd District, was accused of sexual harassment in 2005 by a man named Gary Funkhouser while she was executive vice president of human resources at LabOne, The Kansas City Star reported Friday. In 2006, the company agreed to dismiss the case after mediation, according to The Star.

    Yes, the HR director was the harasser. Get the Funk out of here…

  170. Token

    Highly unlikely calli. They are after all trying to sell their wares for the next Hollyweird offer.

    The abuse would have stopped years ago if the horrible ghouls like Streep and Judd had used their power snd spoken up.

    They are more interested in the money than addressing the problem.

  171. calli

    I’m thinking something like this modest black outfit.

    That’ll show those rapey, oggley, gropey men!

  172. Geriatric Mayfly

    Second surge of heat could challenge records
    Another round of intense heat is about to sweep across southern and eastern Australia, challenging December heat records for the second time in a week.

    Someone on the Cat owns an adjective cupboard. Please rattle through it and find a swag to make us cower even further at the threat of the Dreadful Heat ™ and forward to Fairfax.

  173. JC

    The abuse would have stopped years ago if the horrible ghouls like Streep and Judd had used their power snd spoken up.

    Streep actually helped fan it, giving convicted ped, Roman Polanski a stand ovation at the oscars.

  174. Myrddin Seren

    Token

    Only people whose life experience with Chinese people is eating & acting as bores at a high price restaurant on Sussex Street would hold such unsophisticated views (some may even say wacist).

    Well and a big thank you too.

    If the personal anecdote means I know nothing, what about Chen Yonglin who defected from the Chinese Consulate ?

    China looks to co-opt support on a number of levels from people for political and economic gain. A lot of them will be reluctant, but the State can apply emotional pressure if they have family still back home.

    Not everyone is of value and hence approached. As you say, people of faith are poor prospects. Also, if you are in an area of employment or business with no strategic value. And not everyone will bow to the pressure.

    FWIW on an anonymous blog, I dispute your characterisation of me as a know-nothing, bloviating racist.

    Carry on.

  175. Baldrick

    I’m thinking something like this modest black outfit.
    That’ll show those rapey, oggley, gropey men!

    Yeah, apparently it was a contest to see who could wear the most revealing outfit when men had gropey hands. Now that it’s stopped, not so much.

  176. OldOzzie

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2585761, posted on December 16, 2017 at 11:35 am
    Second surge of heat could challenge records
    Another round of intense heat is about to sweep across southern and eastern Australia, challenging December heat records for the second time in a week.

    Someone on the Cat owns an adjective cupboard. Please rattle through it and find a swag to make us cower even further at the threat of the Dreadful Heat ™ and forward to Fairfax.

    keep them honest with stats from

    http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_nccObsCode=122&p_stn_num=066062&p_c=-873051466&p_startYear=1968

  177. Up The Workers!

    Well-known S.S.M. fan and facilitator, Laboral Prime Quisling Halal Mal, Shifty Nev’s Best Pal, thought that the presstitutes were all working themselves up into a lather because Benny Wong was having an erection.

    It turns out instead, that the Electorate of Bennelong is having an Election, and now he has to play catch-up.

    Having bent over forwards to accommodate the S.S.M. crowd, it remains to be seen whether his politically correct Labor proclivities have buggered the chances of his runner in the race, as many fancy “Dishonest Eddie” Obeid’s well-known imported Corruptocrat, K.K.K. to either score fifteen/love in Bennelong, or alternatively, to take up cushy lodgings in the noxious Senate rat-hole recently vacated by the prominent soy-boy-for-hire, China’s fried ‘Dim Sam’ dastardly.

  178. calli

    Had a quick rummage, Mayfly. Here are some adjectives for you:

    Terrible, horrible, grim, awful, dire;
    frightening, terrifying, horrifying, alarming; distressing, shocking, appalling, harrowing;
    ghastly, fearful, hideous, horrendous, monstrous, unspeakable, gruesome, tragic, calamitous, grievous, grisly,
    unpleasant, disagreeable, nasty, frightful, shocking, awful, abysmal, atrocious, disgraceful, deplorable, wretched, very bad, lamentable, repugnant, odious;
    poor, inadequate, inferior, unsatisfactory, distasteful;

    Don’t use them all at once, they don’t come cheap.

    Unspeakable is my personal favourite.

  179. Token

    FWIW on an anonymous blog, I dispute your characterisation of me as a know-nothing, bloviating racist.

    The characterisation was directed at downright dumb and tone deaf the campaign by KK, Shorten & the Liars Party. It will harm us all in the long run.

    I was not targetting you and your insights. I agree with_your_ nuanced insights.

    There are plenty of noxious mainlanders who vomit the CCCP dogma in every possible setting. In the recent council elections I witnessed some groups of “volunteers” that sought to intimidate Chinese speaking voters to vote for the authorised candidates. They assume whities can’t speak Mandarin.

    The fact is the group is not binary as you agreed in your post.

  180. Chris

    Deplorable, calli.

    They may not come cheap, but they get a Capital if you play with them right.

  181. Let’s talk about the White Australia Policy, in terms of ethnic and religious enclaves having a disproportionate weighting in representation in Parliament.

    Go!

  182. Token

    Streep actually helped fan it, giving convicted ped, Roman Polanski a stand ovation at the oscars.

    The Hillary Clinton of Hollywood

  183. Farmer Gez

    The new record maximum temps are just a result of the millisecond accuracy of digital recordings.

    In the old days the weather was observed and recorded at set times and particular highs or lows were often missed but the average over a long record was the important factor.

    Any break in cloud or a wind drop can turn a pleasant 32 degree summer afternoon into a blazing 36 for the sweaty media.

    Walk under a tree on a hot day and marvel at the climate change.

  184. Should I buy an extra slab of beer to make sure I survive the Dreadful Heat™?

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    Thanks Calli. The summer work experience kiddies at Fairfax Weatherzone will find the task of deciphering most of them beyond the terms of their EBA. Too brain hurty. “All out!”

  186. Roger

    @KKeneally: Today is the day we get to send @TurnbullMalcolm a message. Bennelong have a choice between a Liberal Government that cuts medicare or Labor that will always protects it.

    What a shameless liar she is.

    Agree with it or not, but the government medicare funding by $10 billion in the May budget.

  187. Myrddin Seren

    Token

    I regret my misunderstanding and did not see how your comment was being directed to. I withdraw unreservedly

  188. johanna

    Winston, it’s not about whiteness.

    What about all those Chermans in the early days of South Australia, for example. They packed a lot of punch in the colony’s history.

    Iranians are white.

    African Christians can be as black as the Ace of Spades.

    It’s about culture, not colour. That’s why the Left constantly mischaracterises criticisms of other cultures as racism, as if it has to do with the colour of a person’s skin. Anything to avoid the unpleasant business of grappling with competing cultures.

  189. Bennelong have a choice between the horrible and the deplorable.

  190. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Love rat duke is forced to call police after his Brazilian lover refuses to leave his castle and return to her house on his 15,000-acre estate (which he also shares with his wife and HER lover) following a row over a shooting weekend

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5184689/Duke-calls-police-lover-refuses-leave.html#ixzz51Nm7XhMq
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    Seems the English aristocracy are up to their traditional pastimes – social climbing and fornication.

  191. calli

    What a shameless liar she is.

    We know, Roger, we know.

    Part of the rich tapestry of Sussex Street Shonks. Inexhaustible.

  192. Geriatric Mayfly

    Agree with it or not, but the government medicare funding by $10 billion in the May budget.

    And, pray tell, how much further can Medicare be pushed into the financial stratosphere by this lying rabble before the whole thing collapses? Anyone recall Abbott’s upfront $7.00 as just a small remedial measure and a disincentive to treat doctor’s visits as part of a normal trip to the shops.

  193. Geriatric Mayfly

    Yikes! Apostrophe fail. Three Hail Mary’s.

  194. Roger

    Bennelong have a choice between the horrible and the deplorable.

    Or they can vote for the Australian Conservatives candidate.

  195. Dr Faustus

    For Goblin Shorten, the Bennelong 25% Asian community is a little-brown-person lumpenproletariat that simply needs to be reminded that John Alexander is a hideous racist, Sinophobic, literal Nazi.
    Easy peasy retail politics – backed up by the Communist Party of China.

    The real question is whether the well-educated, aspirational voters see any value in hastening Turnbull’s demise and paying full whack for a Shorten/DiNatale welfare and fairness led economy. One in which Eddie’s Gurl would be able to appear as a paragon of integrity and competence.

  196. Farmer Gez

    Should I buy an extra slab of beer

    Make sure you don’t overheat getting the beer IR.
    I have an old office chair on wheels in the workshop and if I push off the welding table I can get to the beer fridge and a push off the bench will take me back. Haven’t devised an auto opening door on the fridge but you must get some exercise.

  197. Token

    Thanks Myrddin, your insights are once again 1st rate.

    The actions by Shorten to make political capital from the fact one of his shadow cabinet acted in a way that was a blackmail risk to him and his whole party are amazing.

    The man is not fit to receive national secrets as we all know he allowed himself to be seriously compromised.

  198. Geriatric Mayfly

    ‘Old Australia’ has had passing mention of late. As a kid I can remember reports on steam driven radio, of brawls at polling booths during elections. Any chance of a good punch up today in Bennelong to add a bit of old fashioned spice to the perfunctory ritual?

  199. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Talk to the large number of practicing Chinese Christians on the north shore about the treatment of Christians and churches by the Chinese state.

    In my experience, Chinese Christians make excellent new Australians.

    I work with one. A fine, morally upright and hard working chap. That said, he does have family on the mainland and he is guarded when discussing the CPC.

  200. johanna

    Very interesting point made above (sorry, not sure by whom) about the effect of the one child policy on Chinese family solidarity. It certainly makes sense that the Commissars would have realised that the traditional Chinese family was an impassable bulwark against the State, and that the one child policy would inevitably weaken it. There simply wouldn’t be much of an extended family left after a generation or two.

    Again, it seems that diaspora Chinese in Asia managed to preserve those bonds, even though their families also shrank as reproduction numbers fell. But, my Singaporean and Malaysian Chinese friends are clannish to a degree that makes the Scots look like the Menendez brothers.

    In the House Hunters Asia series, a lot of ethnic Chinese in other countries regard accommodation for their parents as non-negotiable, even if the parents are still living separately. It is assumed that they will eventually move in. So, they need a ground floor bedroom or lift access.

    There was a funny episode recently featuring a Chinese wife and an American husband. Accommodation for the wife’s parents (who already lived with them and didn’t speak English) was a requirement. But, the daughter was adamant that they needed a separate living space as well, so that she and her husband were not constantly subjected to loud Chinese television, which drove her nuts. 🙂

  201. Haven’t devised an auto opening door on the fridge but you must get some exercise.

    No problem. If the missus has finished her assigned chores she can fetch the beer.

  202. Oh come on

    Where is m0nty? I wonder if he has any comment on his insistence that Reuters was correct in their claim that Trump’s financial records had been subpoenaed from Deutsche Bank by Mueller? m0nty was absolutely certain that this had happened – in spite of the Trump administration’s denial [Mueller wouldn’t tell them what they were doing! the hapless m0nty reasoned] but we haven’t heard anything about it for a fortnight or more.

    Comments, m0nts?

    And while you’re here, let’s hear how you spin the curious case of Stzzzlllrrccrrkkkkzrrzzlllok, his wife, his lover, their colleague and their “life insurance policy” should the unthinkable happen and Hillary lose the election to Trump.

  203. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Good to see you back, Token.

  204. Helen Davidson

    A STUDENT has had rape charges thrown out after 40,000 new messages from his accuser pestering him for sex came to light.

    ….

    This needs to be thoroughly investigated and the full weight of the law brought to bear on any guilty.

    What I find interesting is that the article is all about the failings of the police. While I agree that their actions stink and need to be thoroughly investigated, is the “lady” who made the false accusation gong to be prosecuted or does she get away scot free?

  205. Roger

    …my Singaporean and Malaysian Chinese friends are clannish to a degree that makes the Scots look like the Menendez brothers.

    LOL.

  206. notafan

    Dublin men who have been friends for 30 years agree to marry to avoid inheritance tax

    What’s the bet the Irish government try to get this marriage annulled as a tax scam?

    love is love

  207. Geriatric Mayfly

    It certainly makes sense that the Commissars would have realised that the traditional Chinese family was an impassable bulwark against the State,

    The Feminazis and their enablers in our own midst, have almost destroyed that ‘impassable bulwark.’ Now, they are just mopping up.

  208. Oh come on

    Dublin men who have been friends for 30 years agree to marry to avoid inheritance tax

    Well played!

  209. johanna

    In my experience, Chinese Christians make excellent new Australians.

    When I was growing up in Sydney, there was a Chinese Christian church on lower George Street, right next to Chinatown. I went in there one day out of curiosity, and it seemed to be thriving. It also looked as though it had been there for quite a while.

    Does anyone know if it is still there?

  210. Oh come on

    People get married for all sorts of reasons. Tax avoidance seems like one of the nobler motivations.

  211. jupes

    Agree with it or not, but the government [increased] medicare funding by $10 billion in the May budget.

    Behold the government’s pathetic response to the Labor scare campaign.

    Rather than rebut the Labor lies, they just spend another lazy $10,000,000,000 of taxpayer’s money.

    That’s not governing, that’s capitulating.

  212. Johanna:

    Winston, it’s not about whiteness.

    Excellent point.
    It’s cultural.
    So how about a Christian Australia Policy?

  213. Token

    …my Singaporean and Malaysian Chinese friends are clannish to a degree that makes the Scots look like the Menendez brothers.

    My latest visit to Taiwan has helped me understand about the Hakka who really fit your description. They really look after their own – and are a big proportion of the Chinese diaspora.

    “Fortunately for me, I have a very high threshold for pain. I am a Hakka. Hakkas can take a lot of pain. So, I survived.” – Lee Kuan Yew, founding father of modern Singapore (1997)

    “All of you should know that I, Lee Teng-hui, am a Hakka. Many of mainland China’s leaders are also Hakkas. Hakka people are brilliant, isn’t it?” – Lee Teng-hui, President of Taiwan (2000)

  214. calli

    “I love Matt, but not in a sexual way. I know him so long, I’m his carer now and as Matt said to me one day, ‘it isn’t a bad idea’.

    Lol. What are the authorities going to do? Check the bedsheets?

  215. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Turns out Bill Priestrap’s missus is a Killary donor.

    Bill Priestap is the FBI Director of Counterintelligence. There’s no way he hasn’t been caught inside the investigative net.

    Bill Priestap’s boss, Andrew McCabe has been caught. Bill Priestap’s subordinate, Peter Strzok, has most certainly been caught. And in March 20th 2017 FBI Director Comey pushed Priestap directly in front of the congressional oversight bus.

    My hunch is either Bill Priestap is going to be the attempted fall-guy for the entire scheme. -OR- Bill Priestap saw the bus coming and is assisting the swamp-draining DC investigators

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/15/a-curious-case-of-counterintelligence-bill-priestap/#more-143460

  216. Leigh Lowe

    The KK vs Sam Maiden interview was a bit strange.
    Maiden can normally be relied upon to give lefties a free ride but I would suggest there is some personal animous from their time at Sky together. KK made some mention during the interview that she is just on leave from Sky (ie “I’ll be back to lord it over you if I lose, Sam”).
    The vision of her on Friday with the Junkies bride showed two very unhappy wyminses … the coquetish head tilt, the hair flick, the eyelash batter … all gone.

  217. Roger

    So how about a Christian Australia Policy?

    Given that culture is downstream from religion it is an eminently sensible policy.

    Multikulti was invented to destroy it.

  218. egg_

    Is Keneally campaigning with Tits’ support – bra?

  219. Token

    While I agree that their actions stink and need to be thoroughly investigated, is the “lady” who made the false accusation gong to be prosecuted or does she get away scot free?

    Like St Hillary, wymmynses never lie, and never ever are held to account like us mortals.

  220. egg_

    Methinks KKK’s a B-cup whereas Tits is a C-cup?

  221. Token

    Rather than rebut the Labor lies, they just spend another lazy $10,000,000,000 of taxpayer’s money.

    That would require life experience beyond stacking branches and being a ministerial staffer.

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