Open Forum: December 16, 2017

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  1. Tel

    calli #2586570,

    Do you normally sit straight down without opening the lid?

  2. no more mistaking her exfoliating creme for hemorrhoid ointment…

    I laughed.

  3. zyconoclast

    Eddie’s Grrrl will be introduced to the Senate and treated like Joan of Arc;

    Is this still legal?

  4. calli

    If the lid is not put down the seat will definitely not be either.

    Habits of unspeakable evil. Punishment is an earsplitting yelp and “accidental” removal of doona.

  5. zyconoclast

    no more mistaking her exfoliating creme for hemorrhoid ointment…

    If you use hemorrhoid ointment on your face, does your face drop off?

  6. areff

    … no more staggering into the bathroom for a squirt while intoxicated, knocking over her perfumes, standing on broken glass, losing your balance with one bleeding foot held above bowl, tumbling backwards, tearing down the towel rack as you fall, and then being lectured about druunkenness while flat on your back, soaked in Channel #5, surrounded by wreckage, fly open, organ out and haemorrhaging foot jammed half-way round the S-bend.

  7. johanna

    I’ve had a few dealings with Tanya Pliebersek this year. She’s warm, has a great sense of humour, is down to earth, hard working and entirely normal. I like her.

    Brandis and Pyne make my skin crawl.

    Those things are not mutually exclusive, Nick.

    I have to admit that about 20 years ago I was in the Press Club one night when Tanya arrived. In those days, she was (to my mind) very beautiful, in the Eastern European mould. She had flawless skin, lovely eyes, cheekbones, and a curvy but not fat figure.

    Sadly, Eastern European women – with the exception of Melania Trump – don’t age well.

    She may well be personable, but so is Graham Richardson. Means nothing.

    You are right about Brandis and Pyne, though.

  8. johanna

    calli
    #2586570, posted on December 17, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    Don’t give a rat’s about toilet seats being up or down, though. Who cares?

    I do. Cold winter’s night, stagger to the toot avoiding sleep destroying lightswitch. Bottom hits icy porcelain, which harbours goodness-knows-what fluids which are now smeared over bare thighs.

    The Horror!

    Pro tip with wide application.

    Never sit down on something you can’t see, Calli. 🙂

  9. Chris

    If the lid is not put down the seat will definitely not be either.

    FOr the first two years of my marriage I attempted to do what I was asked. Put the lid down.
    We had a conversation for some reason. She thought it was cute that I put the lid down; I was to mindread that when she said put the lid down, she was talking about the seat.

    Thirty years later , with a broken and set leg and all alone I stagger to the toilet in the dark. I sit down.

    Shock! So THIS is what the girls mean. And for cute little dancers, they probably have to worry about falling in completely.
    Now I am on board. #metoo

  10. Sparkx

    Off they topic of Bennelong, over at theirABC
    Outback couple build solar farm to prove fringe-of-grid power generation need

    Building a $14 million solar farm is an expensive way to send a message about electricity prices

    In 2016, the Normanton Solar Farm received an $8.5 million grant from The Australian Renewable Energy Agency (AREA)

    ” the Scoullers are adamant their business will work, even if it does take eight years to secure a return.”

    I’m sure there are lots of business out there that would like a more than 50% grant from the taxpayer to get started.

  11. calli

    I know, I know.

    Trust but Verify.

  12. johanna

    I was, of course, referring to the redback on the toilet seat. 🙂

    Areff, smashing the Chanel bottle, even though it masks the stench, is the one that a seasoned prosecutor would go for. You swine, you cad, you barbarian, you lowlife, you …

    Tell you what, if anyone smashed my Hermes Caleche I would be after him with a stockwhip.

  13. zyconoclast

    Off they topic of Bennelong, over at theirABC
    Outback couple build solar farm to prove fringe-of-grid power generation need

    Building a $14 million solar farm is an expensive way to send a message about electricity prices

    In 2016, the Normanton Solar Farm received an $8.5 million grant from The Australian Renewable Energy Agency (AREA)

    ” the Scoullers are adamant their business will work, even if it does take eight years to secure a return.”

    Greg Elkins, the Ergon Energy engineer who led the commissioning, said his preliminary research showed that end-of-line power generation might increase the transmission loss.

    “The requirement of very long transmission lines means that there are a lot of losses in just having the line turned on,” Mr Elkins said.

    “Putting energy at the remote end can actually cause that amount of [required] power flow to have the line online … to increase.

    “It’s kind of like a freight train – the amount of energy required to take the freight train from Townsville to Normanton is travelling every minute, and whether the power is supplied in Normanton or Townsville, that freight train still needs to run every time.”

    While there are plans for expansion, the Normanton Solar Farm does not yet have a battery system. Another reason why Mr Elkins said he believed changes in transmission loss would be limited.

    “Most of the generation from the solar farm is during the day where consumers typically use it during the night, so the excess solar generation has to flow back to Townsville — that’s one of the reasons why the losses will be minimal,” he said.

    Mr Elkins said the only way to remove the losses entirely would be to turn off the Townsville to Normanton line, which he said might cause more problems.

    “The only way to remove those losses would be to turn that line off which would then produce more unreliable power,” he said.

  14. Chris

    Now I am on board. #metoo.

    I was, in fact, Woke.

  15. Tel

    If the lid is not put down the seat will definitely not be either.

    But if the lid is put down you would have to check with your hand and open it before sitting down.

    Wait! If you check, then you already know if the seat is down, because you checked.

    That’s why I make a habit of putting the seat down AND the lid because then I can’t get blamed for not putting the seat down, but also my wife must get into the habit of checking. It works for everyone.

  16. JC

    I’ve had a few dealings with Tanya Pliebersek this year. She’s warm, has a great sense of humour, is down to earth, hard working and entirely normal. I like her.

    Brandis and Pyne make my skin crawl.

    People who I know and have met Pyne really disliked him. Funny, but everyone I know who has met the Lying Slapper really liked her. She wasn’t charming, but also loves a hearty laugh and apparantly really good company.

    I also know people who avoided sitting at Rudd’s table, as they found him weird and detestable.

  17. Chris

    areff, that sounds heartfelt. Was it original fiction? It reminds me of ‘Just one of those days’ on Not the Nine O’Clock News.

  18. Tel

    I know, I know.

    Trust but Verify.

    Just verify first, solves so many problems. Better than that, make sure people understand that it’s also THEIR JOB to verify. Yes really.

  19. JC

    The funniest thing I’ve heard was Abbott’s private and public position on gerbil warming after he was PM.

    In public he would always say he was a believer and that we need to do something.

    In private he would be telling people, he thought gerbil warming was a croc of shit.

  20. Chris

    In private he would be telling people, he thought gerbil warming was a croc of shit.

    #integrity

  21. Snoopy

    Why don’t women get into the habit of leaving the seat up?

  22. Tel

    Now we get to the question of putting the lids on screw top jars.

    You can leave the lid off, in which case the jar is open.

    You can put the lid on neatly, make sure the thread clicks and turn it firmly, in which case the jar is closed.

    Or you can do some half-arsed thing where the lid sits off at a jaunty angle and is neither properly open nor closed. The third option is what real men EXPECT TO FIND every single time, because although it makes no logical sense whatsoever that anyone would do such a thing, never the less when you go and check how the lid has been put, you find someone has been half-arsed about it. Experience tells you don’t trust the lid.

    And then you silently fix it, because that’s what men do… what other option is there?

  23. Chris

    And then you silently fix it, because that’s what men do… what other option is there?

    “When a man says he will fix a thing, he will fix it. There is no need to keep reminding him every six months.”

  24. areff

    Was it original fiction?

    You could ask Gwen M., mother of an ex-girlfriend who delivered the toilet door lecture.

  25. Mitch M.

    Study prompts new ideas on cancers’ origins

    This highlights how we too often develop rather idealised models in biomedicine. Cells can be remarkably adaptable, changing their type in surprising ways. There are always surprises. Earlier in the week there was a study which claimed that the most abundant immune cells in our bodies, neutrophils, can protect cancer cells from T cell attack. Unfortunately depleting neutrophils carries a serious infection risk. Can’t bloody win … .

  26. Chris

    You could ask Gwen M., mother of an ex-girlfriend who delivered the toilet door lecture.

    Bloody hell. The coffee-keyboard nexus the first time was , er, problematic but that is just scary.

  27. Oh come on

    I see via Drudge that Eminem has a new album out and it is not…er…being critically acclaimed. Seems a fitting time to take another look at one of the most epic internet takedowns ever – Paul Joseph Watson destroys Eminem.

    Do watch if you haven’t seen. And if you have, watch again. It’s brutal. Just brutal.

  28. Snoopy

    Or you can do some half-arsed thing where the lid sits off at a jaunty angle and is neither properly open nor closed.

    There is a fourth option my wife employs. Put the lid on straight but only turn it few degrees. The lid looks like it is on and if you lift the jar up by the lid it will hold until you turn around over the tile floor whereupon the lid and the jar separate…

  29. notafan

    Reading areff I was certain it was a true story, in fact I was pretty much watching you go through the motions

    Very funny

  30. calli

    There is a fourth option my wife employs

    The “Stealth Closure”.

    Diabolical.

  31. johanna

    People who I know and have met Pyne really disliked him. Funny, but everyone I know who has met the Lying Slapper really liked her. She wasn’t charming, but also loves a hearty laugh and apparantly really good company.

    I also know people who avoided sitting at Rudd’s table, as they found him weird and detestable.

    Have to agree with JC on this.

    How charming people are tells you nothing about their character. Successful conmen and women rely on it.

    I got to know, via family of a paramour, one of the most successful conwomen of her time. She ended up in jail for a short period, but had milked and stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars in her career before she got caught.

    When I met her, she had a psychiatrist on the hook. She was then in her mid 40s and had a bad dye job which made her hair look like it was made of plastic. This was no accident – she knew that it was the kind of thing that attracted the stupid psychiatrist. Poor bastard, I never found out how much she eventually cost him.

    She just instinctively knew how to push people’s buttons. At that age, she was no longer very pretty, but it didn’t matter. Plenty of middle-aged and old blokes with money out there.

    Hello, Kathy Jackson?

  32. JC

    Whoops

    She wasn’t just charming,

  33. JC

    Wow, really?

    Melbourne Lord Mayor Robert Doyle has vowed to clear his name as he announced he was standing down for a month while allegations of sexual harassment and indecent assault against him are investigated.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/accused-melbourne-lord-mayor-robert-doyle-stands-down/news-story/c3747ca5f51ec434ea525d0e2e11f56f

  34. johanna

    Sunday afternoon, gardening corner.

    How does your garden grow, Calli and other Cats and Kittehs?

    Mine is powering, although milkweed, onionweed and spiders currently seem to be top of the evolutionary tree.

  35. There is a fourth option my wife employs. Put the lid on straight but only turn it few degrees. The lid looks like it is on and if you lift the jar up by the lid it will hold until you turn around over the tile floor whereupon the lid and the jar separate…

    Thankyou Tel and Snoopy. For forty years I have been under the misconception that ours was the only household where screw top jars were an issue. It is a comfort to finally know I am not alone.

  36. calli

    Dock and plantain, with a dash of creeping oxalis.

    But the cricket beckons. Eightfer. No! Not out!

  37. notafan

    Read the review JC

    Sounds dull, pretentious and badly written.

    I wouldn’t read Dale in any case, it is inevitable that one’s world view will be reflected in one’s writing and her love is love mentality is puerile,shallow and without intellectual rigour.

    Also sex is hardly a new horizon, despite every progressive thinking that they have personally just discovered it, ‘they love all kinds of sex’.

    How excitement.

  38. I was in MacKinlay last couple of weeks looking for piggies. Dropped in to see a few old mates. One told me of inspectors doing the rounds with drones looking for old bones in the paddocks because Disease. Brucellosis was mentioned. Apparently cattle can get it off old bones if they lick them.
    Carcasses have to be dumped in a special place which is wired off from other cattle.
    What a time wasting job that must be.

    Huh?
    Bone eating happens in phosphate deficient country (i.e. most of Qld, possibly most of Australia).
    Brucellosis, yeah, is a risk, but the main one is Botulism. (Risk of Botulism is the reason we cook meat).
    I’m struggling with why anyone would be flying drones around looking for old bones. Recent carcases perhaps, but why not leave it up to the cocky? He’s the one with the dog in the fight.
    Hauling carcases to a central spot, in McKinlay district? Seriously?

    I suppose there’s a better way to waste money & effort, but this’ll do until we think of something better.

  39. Tel

    There is a fourth option my wife employs. Put the lid on straight but only turn it few degrees. The lid looks like it is on and if you lift the jar up by the lid it will hold until you turn around over the tile floor whereupon the lid and the jar separate…

    I’ve been caught by that a few times.

    I blame government schools for not preparing me for the real world.

  40. johanna

    Am having a fourth attempt at getting old fashioned freesias to grow. The damn things lined the roadsides when I was growing up, but can I get them to grow here? Nup. And they come from a climate much harsher than this one.

    Their scent is, IMO, the pinnacle of flower scents.

  41. Oh come on

    Also sex is hardly a new horizon, despite every progressive thinking that they have personally just discovered it, ‘they love all kinds of sex’.

    Reminds me of people who say their music taste is ‘eclectic’. Err so you like different types of music, great, how unusual!

  42. Read the review JC
    Sounds dull, pretentious and badly written.

    It is possible that the review is objective.
    Reviewers don’t like Helen Dale. She could write a novel more unputdownable than Wilbur Smith and is a cross between the best of Jane Austen and Evelyn Waugh.

    Reviewers would still call it shit.

  43. struth

    I see some are saying that all the RC really wants to do is smash religion.
    I say bullshit.

    One word.

    Islam.
    They want to smash Christianity.
    Islam is invisible to the RC and anyone from the hypocritical left.

    Again another great night out doing gigs around Christmas.
    I would just like to give you a bit of cheer from a bit of personal experience.

    I am not saying anything about my musical or singing abilities, that is for others to judge.

    However, in my anger about the way our country is going I am holding tight to my culture on stage without being “corny” about it.
    It’s the little things.
    It’s starting to pay off.
    Why?
    People are so frustrated out there.
    Sick to death of being told their culture is bad, when it is the best culture that has ever, ever existed by far.
    I am using my time on stage to remind them of what we are and how good it was and could be again.

    I am not racist, sexist, or any other “ist’ except for one.
    I am a confirmed and unapologetic culturalist.

    You know I have come on here before after a weekend of gigs, (one more this afternoon) saying how much my audience have impressed me.

    It happened last night again.

    We are out there, people.

    The greatest thing is that when you let Australian culture out, sometimes those in the audience out do you as far as being “western” in their actions.
    Last night, amongst the good looking blondes, and smokers outside, to the young and fat, surprised to see how people my age party (they actually dance, and can out drink you!), an old bloke dancing the same way as the old Australian bloke in the David Bowie video filmed down under, came up to the stage with a glass of scotch and coke he had bought for me.
    Nothing unusual.
    However, he also brought a large glass of water, as he could see I needed it. ( a very humid night in an open air QLD pub)
    That’s the little subtle things that we must never let die.
    A natural tendency to just fix problems and help each other out without asking.
    The water meant so much more to me than the scotch.
    I also get a lot of young ones you can tell are culturally lost.
    They ask for songs that are your old classic Australian stuff and sing every word, to show they own it and want to belong to it.
    Music is culture, and the result of it.

    It’s not over yet.

    That’s why the left went insane about Trump here.
    They fear so much, that really only one person is needed to unlock the key to the prison of Marxism they are forcing us into.
    They know, as is proved to me nearly every gig, people don’t want it, don’t like it and it will only take one spark…………………………….

    Also interesting is that some bloke told me that they have reversed the smoking laws in Austrian pubs and the pubs are filling up again, over there.
    The interesting thing again, was that people know about these things, and are talking about it.
    Anyway, hope you all have a great day.
    Just thought it might be interesting to hear, for some of you.

  44. Them who lifts jars by the lid are in the same Darwinian basket as them who drive in a manner that they depend upon brakes working.

  45. notafan

    personally just discovered it

    on behalf of all mankind

    you know the ones; oh look what I just found between my legs!

    No one ever had one of those before, right?

  46. JC

    Reviews are important for book sales, Ser ena.. They may not be objective, just like anal ysts may be talking shit about stocks. However, people read them and impact prices, which is why you have to read them too.

  47. JC

    Then there’s the parabolic rise of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies generally—and concerns that a fear of missing out also could lead investors to chase stocks with similar desperation. Alternately, a Bitcoin crash could curdle investor enthusiasm for all risk assets.

    I don’t understand the concern about a crash in the cryptos impacting other risk assets or flowing in to the stock market.

    For the most part they’re different investors.

    Get freaking real fellas.

  48. old bloke

    zyconoclast
    #2586561, posted on December 17, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    Can anyone find out what the Australian Conservative, Christian Democrats (FN) and ALA preference flows were for Bennelong?

    I don’t know where the AC and CD directed their preferences, but the ALA didn’t direct their preferences anywhere, i.e., vote ALA 1 and complete the ballot according to your own preferences.

  49. JC

    Ser ena

    Do you sell much Asahi. I know, it may not be the right demographic.

  50. Reviews are important for book sales

    That’s the problem which will dog Helen Dale forever.
    The cool kids & the in-crowd hate her guts.
    She should write under a pseudonym.

  51. johanna

    The real payoff comes when the usual suspects and their friends get books put on the compulsory reading list at schools and universities.

    Doesn’t matter that nobody using their own money would buy it.

  52. JC

    The real payoff comes when the usual suspects and their friends get books put on the compulsory reading list at schools and universities.

    Oh that’s the racket. Never ends.

  53. Tel

    Thankyou Tel and Snoopy. For forty years I have been under the misconception that ours was the only household where screw top jars were an issue. It is a comfort to finally know I am not alone.

    Men and women are biologically different.

    You don’t need “Absolute Truth” in order to understand this, because relative truth is sufficient. Looking at men from a woman’s perspective (i.e. dunny lids) or looking at women from a man’s perspective (i.e. jar lids) you have a relative frame of reference but you can still detect consistent yet unmistakable differences. You could base your relative truth on a tape measure if you prefer, simply measure the average arse on a man, vs the average arse on a woman and compare the two… different!!!

  54. notafan

    Lol Serena

    DL gave that book a plug here and Dale is a lesbian feminist SSmarriage advocate and if she was going to get a plug it was going to be in the Australian/Age .

    Publishing houses send out dozens of review copies because reviews good or bad are publicity and in a very crowded market that is what can make sales for for someone who is not established, which, given the length of time since The Hand that Signed the Paper was published Dale more or less is.

    here’s another less than flattering review at the smh

  55. JC

    Ranking in terms of the other beers. That’s the biggest brand I see when people are ordering beer these days.

  56. notafan

    I agree Johanna

    Mostly they have to hit the right buttons refugee muslim aboriginal disabled lgbt and you are in the money

    You only have to look at reading lists to see how true that is

  57. Men and women are biologically different.

    Some say women should never be allowed near anything mechanical.
    A screw top jar lid is a form of mechanical device.

    However it is more the nature of the particular woman.
    My grandmother never had a problem with screw-top jars, or with anything else.
    She was from an era when pretty much anything in a jar had first to be put there by yourself.
    If the jar spoiled, broke, or whatever, then you had to fill another jar, yourself, to replace it.

    Filling a jar commenced with taking a spade to a patch of soil outside the kitchen, and working it up so that various berries, citrus, etc. could be planted.

  58. Ranking in terms of the other beers. That’s the biggest brand I see when people are ordering beer these days.

    Time you got out of gay bars.
    The biggest brand is “Great Northern”, followed by “XXXX Gold”, followed by “VB” or somesuch, & on it goes.

  59. johanna

    Doco on Roy Orbison on GEM now. No idea if it is any good.

    Roy was a one-off genius.

  60. JC

    Here’s the problem with Trump’s tax reform. The cuts have a sunset clause ( I believe) forcing a re-vote in 2026. Why does the GOP have sunset clauses on tax policy (Bush did this too) and almost every other laws are permanent?

    The problem with the tax cutting side is that it potentially makes them temporary and people therefore make adjustments to behavior with that in mind.

    Really Stupid.

  61. Tel

    Them who lifts jars by the lid are in the same Darwinian basket as them who drive in a manner that they depend upon brakes working.

    Sure… trust is a difficult thing. Point is that if I was in the business of doing someone else’s brakes for them, I would make dang sure they were working before I handed the car back.

    All I’m asking for is similar levels of delivery in other avenues of life… and despite that I’m still in the habit of checking for myself because I know perfectly well other people don’t check properly (that applies to many things).

    If anyone’s interested, I can recommend Pedders Suspension at the South end of James Ruse Drive… recent work they did for me drives very well, handles nicely, and the brakes do work.

  62. Steve trickler.

    Aussie chick inspires the world. Develops a wheelchair for a rescue chicken!

    Innovative.

    Crowder, rightly takes the piss.



  63. Oh come on

    Dropping the corporate tax rate to 21% will surely put a rocket under the US economy. And of course the new provisions that will see much of the $4 tril held by US MNCs repatriated Stateside. This is really exciting. The left and GOPe have worked so hard since Reagan to ensure the Laffer Curve is considered “voodoo economics” – we’ll again have irrefutable evidence that it is quite the opposite.

  64. Tel

    However it is more the nature of the particular woman.
    My grandmother never had a problem with screw-top jars, or with anything else.

    Yeah, well practically speaking, how many can you try out in a given lifespan? Especially a male lifespan as it tends to be shorter on average.

    You can always search far enough to find an exception that proves the rule; but I would not recommend basing your whole strategy on being able to achieve exceptional results. Otherwise your strategy can be, “Hey I’m going to win the lottery!” If questioned, then the response is, “There’s a guy who won the lottery, if he can do it, I can do it.”

  65. JC

    OCO

    Unquestionably so, but it would be better to be a nuclear charged rocket, rather than regular rocket fueled one. Permanency is far superior.

  66. Oh come on

    Hopefully by 2026, the argument for cutting taxes will have been well and truly settled, JC.

  67. johanna

    Roy Orbison. With k d lang, an annoying Canadian lesbian, but she can sing the birds out of the trees.

    Crying

  68. Tel

    Crowder, rightly takes the piss.

    That guy is an insensitive lowlife. Also hilarious, but very insensitive.

  69. Oh come on

    What kind of windfall does the US govt stand to gain if, say, half of the 4 trillion is repatriated next year? IIRC, isn’t it going to be subject to an 18% tax? That’s a $360 billion down-payment on Trump’s trillion dollar infrastructure plan. Nice.

  70. stackja

    USA tax law being political. I am shocked.

  71. Notafan: I’ve no idea if Helen Dale’s most recent book is crap or literary genius. Nor do I care, as I’ll never have time to read it.
    The issue I was highlighting (which hopefully everybody got) is Helen Dale is up against it. After the Miles Franklin award fiasco (which made a monkey not of Helen Dale, but of the Australian literary establishment) she had to find another career. Writing was “out” for her.

    I’m surprised she’s come back for another chop. Unless she’s written something that is a cross between “To Kill a Mockingbird” and Jeffrey Archer, she’s got near no hope of either decent sales or a decent review.

    Arundati Roy, by contrast, could transcribe the New Delhi telephone directory and reviewers would gasp with ecstasy and fall over each other to write rave reviews.

    An author’s politics are of little relevance to their readability. Until they start it creeping into their work, e.g. Tom Clancy & Bryce Courtenay, both capable of writing very well, killed their readability by shoving their politics into their fictional novels.

  72. Oh come on

    I am not entirely thrilled about the infrastructure spending, but if the state must spend money, I’d rather it on useful infrastructure as opposed to another unkillable entitlement programme.

  73. Makka

    Ranking in terms of the other beers. That’s the biggest brand I see when people are ordering beer these days.

    Asahi is crap beer compared to Kirin. Buy a 6 pack of both and test. Quite a difference.

  74. Oh come on

    And the US has a pretty great infrastructure master plan. There is a bunch of stuff that is still world-class up to a century after being built. Just. Spend the trillion upgrading and expanding the capacity of that so that it lasts for another century and it’s money well spent.

  75. notafan

    Well clearly I don’t agree Serena

    She ticks most of the literary darling boxes and I bet very few of the current reviewers were around back in the day

    the worst thing that can happen to a new book is for it to be ignored

    Anyhow why don’t you buy a copy and let us know if it is as bad as the reviewers claim?

  76. Oh come on

    Asahi is just another beer for people who don’t like the taste of beer. Watery crap.

  77. johanna

    Here’s another Orbison great – Pretty Woman.

  78. Oh come on

    Is Helen Dale a lezzo? I thought she’d got hitched to a plumber with dreadlocks (as in, a male plumber) or somesuch.

  79. notafan

    An author’s politics are of little relevance to their readability. Until they start it creeping into their work, e.g. Tom Clancy & Bryce Courtenay, both capable of writing very well, killed their readability by shoving their politics into their fictional novels.

    Oh really

    Helen is a political activist and as can be seen by the theme of her book, was always intending to be ‘controversial’

  80. Makka

    Asahi is crap beer compared to Kirin. Buy a 6 pack of both and test. Quite a difference.

    And to be fair, they both should be chilled on ice, not a fridge. Kirin will win hands down.

  81. JC

    makka

    Asahi has better looking packaging and the label looks better.

  82. Makka

    Who said you were shallow, JC?

  83. Oh come on

    Helen Demidenko/Darville’s problem was not that she couldn’t write. At the time, I thought The Hand That Signed The Paper was a decent book. Maybe the fact it was seen to have been written by a an author with Ukrainian heritage won it the Miles Franklin prize. If true, then that says there’s a much greater problem with the award rather than the writer. On the other hand, if the book would have won the award even if the judges knew the author was a teenage only-child with two Pommy-born parents, then it must have been a decent book either way.

    I think Helen Dale is a good writer. I read a short story of hers from a few years ago and she does have talent. I don’t read much fiction these days so can’t really comment on how she stacks up against the rest.

  84. Shy Ted

    Apparently John Alexander has apologized for the disabled parking joke. Might have won but hasn’t learned a thing.

  85. Tom

    struth
    #2586630, posted on December 17, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Best post at the Cat today, Struth.

    Have a great day!

  86. testpattern

    Great article in the new Quadrant on how Australian eucalypt plantations caused the Californian bushfires. Bastards responsible should be shot. Every last tree. Especially the black gums.

  87. Oh come on

    Asahi has better looking packaging and the label looks better.

    JC, so you already know why Asahi has such a following!

    Tastes to me like gassy, watery piss. Not far removed from Tooheys Extra Dry.

  88. notafan

    I don’t know OCO I know she is a strong advocate for ssmarriage

  89. Roy was a one-off genius.

    johanna. Pick up you feet, we got a deadline to meet …

  90. Oh come on

    Haven’t you got a child rapist to make excuses for some place other than here, test pattern?

    Your jokes are just appalling.

  91. notafan

    Very often, the best members of a minority can hope for is tolerance. To be left alone. The local Evangelical church or Deobandi mosque is not going to accept LGBT folk. They’re going to continue to think we’ll all burn or freeze in Hell. A significant minority of Christians and a majority of Muslims believe – at least on a theological level – that we’re all committing a crime. A belief that gay sex should be criminalised is widely held among Australian Muslims, something Malcolm Turnbull learnt to his embarrassment last year at Parliament’s Iftar supper. The social bargain both they and we have to accept – the price we all pay for living in a liberal democracy – is coexisting side by side with people who do not necessarily like us, while making sure no one does anyone any harm. It is tolerance, and not acceptance, at the core of liberal democracy.

    implied here

  92. johanna

    Here’s another Orbison, Sweet Dreams, baby.

    What is fascinating is how he utterly cowed the superstars at that concert. Springsteen et al just bowed down. He must have been a very powerful personality, as well as a freakishly gifted singer, musician and showman.

  93. notafan

    OCO

    A short story is not a novel and too often people only have one book in them but don’t realise it

    My view though is if getting your narrative across is more important than writing an entertaining story then it usually shows, plus the market for soft porn is saturated.

  94. Chris

    Top article (but longer than a tweet) on the #MeToo going too far:

    Let us put this in the crudest of Freudian terms. Women have castrated men en masse. Perhaps this panic is happening now because our emotions about this achievement are ambivalent. Perhaps our ambivalence is so taboo that we cannot admit it to ourselves, no less discuss it rationally. Is it possible that we are acting out a desire that has surfaced from the hadopelagic zone of our collective unconscious—a longing to have the old brutes back? That is what Freud would suggest: We are imagining brutes all around us as a form of wish-fulfillment, a tidy achievement that simultaneously allows us to express our ambivalence by shrieking at them in horror.

    The problem with Freudian interpretations, as Popper observed, is that they’re unfalsifiable. They’re not science. But they’re tempting. Certainly, something weird is going on here. It is taking place in the aftermath of the most extraordinary period of liberation and achievement women have ever enjoyed. No, of course we don’t want the old brutes back. But perhaps we miss something about that world. Wouldn’t it be comforting, for example, at a time like this, to believe what women used to believe—that responsible men were in charge of the ship of state, and especially our nuclear weapons?

    Moral panics have a context. They emerge at times of general anxiety. Scholars of the Salem witch trials point to Indian attacks, the political reverberations from the English Civil War, crop failures, and smallpox outbreaks. Residents of colonial Massachusetts filtered these apprehensions through the prism of their Calvinist theology. If their moral panic was prompted by the anxieties of their era and adapted to the theology of their times, why should we be any different?

    I’m not sure what, precisely, is now driving us over the edge. But I’d suggest looking at the obvious.

    Women who had hopefully imagined rough men standing ready to do violence on our behalf so we could sleep peacefully in our beds at night have discovered instead—psychologically speaking—that Daddy is dead.

    That’s enough to make anyone go berserk. Perhaps this realization is powering some of the hysteria we’re now seeing about sexual harassment. Rapid social and technological change, a lunatic at the helm, no one knows what tomorrow will bring—we’re primed for a moral panic par excellence. That it has something to do with men and male beastliness is an adaptation to the theology of our era: American culture has been obsessed with gender—the rarer and odder the better—for at least the past decade. What’s more, we really do have an unreconstructed slob in the Oval Office, one who is genuinely offensive to women. Some of the anger directed at these poor groveling schmucks is surely—really—meant for him.

    No woman in her right mind would say, “I want the old world back.” We know what that meant for women. Nor would we even consciously think it. But perhaps, instead, we are fantasizing that the old world has come back, rather than confronting something a great deal more frightening: It’s never coming back. We are the grown-ups now. We are in charge.

    Maybe it doesn’t matter where the sources of the present moral panic lie. But could we at least get enough of a grip to realize that it is a moral panic—and knock it off? Women, I’m begging you: Please.

    Claire Berlinski

  95. Oh come on

    Haven’t you got a child [email protected] to make excuses for some place other than here, pest pattern?

    Your jokes are just appalling.

  96. Rae

    “It’s kind of like a freight train – the amount of energy required to take the freight train from Townsville to Normanton is travelling every minute, and whether the power is supplied in Normanton or Townsville, that freight train still needs to run every time.”

    Pretty poor analogy really. The power is actually supplied wherever the freight train happens to be.

    Bit disappointing that the so-called expert could only surmise that putting the power at the end of the grid might make things worse. I surmise that he’s wrong. What they are trying to do is stop the many blackouts that they get. Delivery via the solar array at the point where it is needed and will be used should help with that. Lower prices are a secondary consideration.

  97. Oh come on

    Haven’t you got a baby [email protected] to make excuses for some place other than here, pest pattern?

    Your jokes are just appalling.

  98. johanna

    Rambler, here’s how you pick up your feet. 🙂

  99. testpattern

    Frederick Bulstrode Whitlock, the Birdman of Kanowna

    Nottingham bank manager, Nottingham bank robber, famous Australian ornothologist, fugitive. Arrived Fremantle 1901 died Bunbury 1953.

    ‘A reward notice issued by Nottingham Police included a photo and the description ‘he has a shifty expression when talking. He is a clever bicyclist and a collector of birds and birds’ eggs, upon which he is a considerable authority. He usually converses on the subject when in company’. Though captured and sent back to England, having served his sentence, he returned to Australia in 1901.’

    https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t45.1600-4/c0.22.306.306/p306x306/24202922_6080727968475_3868166809429475328_n.jpg?oh=773baf321bba8b782cac16b5ab834d48&oe=5AC949BC

    and –

    pages 56-58

    http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/Launch.aspx?EID=6f3066f2-9d53-4b1d-99b9-2945cd2aab77

  100. johanna

    Freud had some interesting insights, but anyone who takes him literally is a fool.

  101. Top Ender

    Bryce Courtenay’s first novel The Power of One was about a South African bloke who played the piano and yet became a famous boxer.

  102. John Comnenus

    Fat chance Claire. Feminism 2.0 is built on a pure moral panic designed to destroy the West. It’s working beautifully so too bad Claire. Maybe Les Grossman has the appropriate answer.

  103. testpattern

    Congrats to Nolan. In line with it’s growing power, prestige and national influence, the Noels move to embrace the KLC

    ‘Uphold & Recognise is pleased to announce that it will appoint four Indigenous Australians as new directors in 2018. Rachel Perkins, Nolan Hunter, Adam Bray, and Geoffrey Winters will join the incumbent chair, Sean Gordon.

    The board will oversee the work of our newly established policy unit, which will develop practical options for implementing the recommendations of the Referendum Council’s final report, and the Uluru Statement from the Heart. These final reports will be complete by July 2018. The policy unit will take strategic direction from thought leaders in this area: Noel Pearson..’

    http://www.upholdandrecognise.com/news/

  104. Boambee John

    OCO at 1507

    I’d rather it on useful infrastructure as opposed to another unkillable entitlement programme.

    Emphasis on “useful”. School halls or pink batts anyone?

  105. Chris

    Freud had some interesting insights, but anyone who takes him literally is a fool.

    Freud and Marx apparently wrote the curriculum for Arts through the late 60s to late 70s. Was he taken literally by all those earnest 1970s feminists at the time?

  106. Boambee John

    testpattern
    #2586678, posted on December 17, 2017 at 3:25 pm
    Great article in the new Quadrant on how Australian eucalypt plantations caused the Californian bushfires. Bastards responsible should be shot. Every last tree. Especially the black gums.

    Same policy should be implemented here. Bring back non-euclaypts to the Australian landscape, get rid of these fire-loving bastard children of millenia of firestick “farming”.

  107. Rae

    Bryce Courtenay’s first novel The Power of One

    Without question the most boring book I have ever read. “I this”, “I that”, “I everything”.

  108. johanna

    I once organised a meeting of psychiatrists in Sydney. Actually, I sub-contracted the personal contacts to a female friend from Adelaide, who had just the right accent and demenour to deal with them. She certainly earned her money.

    Meeting them was an experience, indeed. Uniformly extraordinarly bright, they ranged from the sublime to the ridiculous.

    Remember that when you hear someone touting IQ as a measure/requirement for citizenship.

  109. Mark A

    Rae
    #2586708, posted on December 17, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Bryce Courtenay’s first novel The Power of One

    Without question the most boring book I have ever read. “I this”, “I that”, “I everything”.

    Baldrick!!!!

  110. Top Ender

    The Power of One…”Without question the most boring book I have ever read.”

    Cruel but fair.

    Yet perhaps not the worst. Voss by Patrick White must deserve some consideration.

  111. Boambee John

    Notafan at 1532

    That Helen Dale quote is one of the more sensible things said by anyone on the “Yes” side. Trying to force people to accept what they find morally unacceptable will lead to tears. Even the whole apparatus of the Nazi state could not make people like Bonhoeffer, Stauffenberg, Beck, Choltitz and many others like them accept the behaviour of the Nazis.

    Too much of the modern left don’t just act like fascists, they are fascists.

  112. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2586708, posted on December 17, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Fuck off Septimus –
    B Shaw
    #2300714, posted on February 18, 2017 at 7:09 pm
    See you later, Grigory. Signing off for a while.
    I admit I started to enjoy needling them, too much. Amateurs.

  113. Oh come on

    Poor Grigorae is trying ever so hard to ingratiate himself with the commentariat, but the simple fact is that everyone hates him.

  114. testpattern

    My great find is soooo important it needs to be repeated here –

    ‘Canberra 11 March 1942

    Secret

    830 Broome and Wyndam Defence Measures

    The Chiefs of Staff furnished the following information regarding defence measures at Broome and Wyndham

    Broome is an advanced refuelling station for the RAAF. It has no RDF equipment. A small VDC unit [approx 100] is stationed at both Broome and Wyndham. Communications at Wyndham are almost non existent. Darwin is a more important base and it is preferable to concentrate the forces there.’

    https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=924923&S=1

    Notice the date 11 March 1942. ABDA was disbanded in February after the fall of Singapore, Japan won the Battle of the Java Sea and ABDA forces surrendered on 9 March just 2 days before this document was produced. It shows clearly that an invasion was expected and the Kimberleys were to be left undefended, abandoned to Japan.

  115. Oh come on

    Dear Rae/P (rapey)

    Everyone knows who you are. Nobody likes you and nobody ever will. You may as well drop the act. Having said that, no one cares enough about you to feel strongly about your wellbeing, but if you were to die soon, that would probably be appreciated. So if you really want to make people happy, you know what to do.

    Best regards

  116. johanna

    Fuck off, test splattern

  117. Boambee John

    It shows clearly that an invasion was expected and the Kimberleys were to be left undefended, abandoned to Japan.

    It shows nothing about expectations of an invasion. All it shows is that concentrating available forces in Darwin was the most practicable policy.

    Who tries to defend everywhere will end up defeated in detail, and defending nowhere.

  118. zyconoclast

    I don’t know where the AC and CD directed their preferences, but the ALA didn’t direct their preferences anywhere, i.e., vote ALA 1 and complete the ballot according to your own preferences.

    Thanks.
    I was thinking about what the voters actually did rather than what the HTV card said.
    I might check with the AEC when they finalise the count.

  119. Boambee John

    “… and defending nowhere” as demonstrated by the fate of Australian garrisons in Timor, Ambon and Rabaul.

  120. Oh come on

    My great find is soooo important it needs to be repeated here

    How embarrassing for this person’s children.

  121. johanna

    Going offlline for a bit, still waiting for JCs explanation (from yesterday) of why the provisions in the GOP tax bill that penalise high taxing states are a bad idea.

    Back later,

  122. testpattern

    Personally I prefer reading great Aussie books like the Racketty Street Gang to the kids under the xmas tree, but for all xtian cryptid lovers –

    The Birth of Jesus in Yolngu Matha

    GARRAY DHAWAL – GUYAŊANA

    http://laal.cdu.edu.au/record/cdu:39337/info/

  123. egg_

    Also sex is hardly a new horizon, despite every progressive thinking that they have personally just discovered it, ‘they love all kinds of sex’.

    Hint: It gets even better when another person is involved.

  124. Mark A

    testpattern
    #2586733, posted on December 17, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    What a pretentious prick you are.

  125. Rae

    Didn’t actually finish The Power of One. Read all but a couple of chapters and had had enough of the “I”, “I, “I” “I was wonderful” stuff. Can’t fathom why some people raved about Courtenays writing.

  126. Keep in mind, “The Power of One” was his best novel, by a country mile.
    The rest, with one exception, were totally unreadable crap.

  127. Snoopy

    testpattern
    #2586725, posted on December 17, 2017 at 4:33 pm

    What an ignorant prick you are.

  128. testpattern

    For all fans of the Horror film genre –

    NT Indigenous film wins prestigious US Horror film award.

    Fantastic achievement! Why doesn’t the NT News cover this?

    ‘The film Ramo Mokuy (Ramingining Evil Spirit) just won a Spotlight Bronze Award in the Spotlight Horror Film Awards in Atlanta, USA. This film was produced as an ALPA CDP media training exercise in Ramingining this year.

    Written and directed by Jason Durrurnga and Greg Stehle, starring Jason Durrurnga, Michael Dawu and Gerald Yawulkpuy.’

    http://www.spotlighthorrorawards.com/2017awards.html

  129. Infidel Tiger

    Courtenay’s whole life was a fraud. A complete bullshit artist.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Fantastic achievement! Why doesn’t the NT News cover this?

    WGAF?

  131. Oh come on

    Er Bryce Courtenay has never been known as anything other than a writer of drivellous shlock.

  132. Nick

    An Aboriginal horror film eh? What happens ? Does the central character have to get a job and pay taxes, all without any Government assistance ?

  133. herodotus

    By Tom:
    struth
    #2586630, posted on December 17, 2017 at 2:31 pm
    Best post at the Cat today, Struth.

    Yes.

  134. JC

    Oh come on
    #2586679, posted on December 17, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    Asahi has better looking packaging and the label looks better.

    JC, so you already know why Asahi has such a following!

    Tastes to me like gassy, watery piss. Not far removed from Tooheys Extra Dry.

    Japanese beer has an interesting pedigree. Maybe 100 to 150 years ago when Japan wanted to industrialize/westernize, the trading houses sent a bunch of people over to middle Europe to taste and return with recipe for what they believed were the best tasting beers in the premium beer regions. I read that these Jap beers carry the taste of beer of the time.

    I like Jap beers and I like Moretti dark. Dark isn’t available in Oz or at least I haven’t seen it.

    I worked for a 1/2 frog, 1/2 Italian dude whose uncle owned the Moretti brewery. He had no kids and was always trying to entice the nephew to go to Italy and run it for him. The kid was raised in Paris. I think it’s now just a brand in a a mega brewery range.

    Just check. Heineken owns the brand now. Sad.

  135. Oh come on

    Ignore Pesty. Just ignore the fool.

  136. testpattern

    Linguist calls out SBS [and others] for innacurate reporting on indigenous education –

    ‘I’m all for a positive story about remote education, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of accuracy…

    The article’s premise is that innovative programs at Ngukurr School are contributing to better student outcomes. A quick look at the Myschools website shows that attendance at Ngukurr School has unfortunately dropped in recent years…

    The article mentions the language profile of students (see below) and there are more errors there. It is not correct to say of students that “English is usually their ninth language”.’

    http://munanga.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/how-not-to-report-on-indigenous.html

  137. egg_

    Is it possible that we are acting out a desire that has surfaced from the hadopelagic zone of our collective unconscious—a longing to have the old brutes back?

    Nah, just typical wymminses – can never please ’em.

  138. calli

    Chortle. Books written in the first person generally have a lot of “I’s”.

  139. Oh come on

    I liked Moretti when I first tried it several years ago. Good stuff. Haven’t had it for God knows how long though. I remember the label has a mafioso looking dude on it.

  140. Chris

    WGAF?

    I think we all know that a pic of a small croc suspected of snacking on someone’s Labrador would sell more papers than news of whatever Dylan Voller made as government-funded film, whatever the ABC said about it.

  141. cohenite

    A significant minority of Christians and a majority of Muslims believe – at least on a theological level – that we’re all committing a crime.

    All muslims; this is not just a point of nomenclature or definition: islam does accept the separation of church and state, Christianity does. No doubt the Christian reformation made that easy whereas islam has not changed.

    The ssm debate is remarkable for the complete absence of or reference to islam.

  142. calli

    Ovation of the Seas is in town. Where’s Lizzie with her report?

    Unless she’s laid low with the collywobbles. 😬

  143. Top Ender

    I thought I remembered that Bryce Courtenay was an advertising man...yes, he was:

    with the savvy of a former ad man, he would devote himself to promoting his work; he reportedly hired skywriters to scribble “Jessica” across the sky, and persuaded Penguin to hire actors to pose on trains reading his novels.

    He made a habit of asking for the address of anyone who stopped him on the street and then sending that person a signed copy of a book. He estimated that he gave away 2,500 books a year, believing that those people would commend him to others for his pleasantness and generosity, if for no other reason.

  144. JC

    Moretti dark is better, oco. Don’t think it’s here.

    I’d be surprised if the dude in the pic is a
    Mafia type. The beer comes from Udine, which was part of the Austro- Hungarian empire. -:)

  145. calli

    Louie the Fly, Top Ender.

  146. cohenite

    islam does not accept the separation of church and state, Christianity does.

  147. JC

    Ovation of the Seas

    WTF is that? Sounds like a wemenzes ovulation ritual.

  148. testpattern

    Duterte kids on great aussie adventures while their father is accused of being a druglord –

    ‘Davao City Vice Mayor Paolo “Pulong” Duterte’s son, Omar, is currently having a great time in Sydney, Australia as he tours the city with his pretty girlfriend’

    http://mindanao.politics.com.ph/pulongs-son-omar-duterte-takes-gf-sydney/

  149. Chris

    Nick
    #2586744, posted on December 17, 2017 at 5:10 pm
    An Aboriginal horror film eh? What happens ? Does the central character have to get a job and pay taxes, all without any Government assistance ?

    Quelle horreur.
    But you can bet the film was not made without Government assistance.

  150. cohenite

    Leah Remini Returning to A&E to Investigate Other ‘Cult-Like Religions’

    Whoever this bint is she typifies the cowardice of the left/progressive antipathy to religion. No doubt some of these fringe religions need exposing and ridiculing. But even the biggest of them: the Scientologists and jehovas are not going to kill. The biggest cult however, islam, would cut off her head; which is why the left/progressive cowards stay away from it.

  151. egg_

    However, in my anger about the way our country is going I am holding tight to my culture on stage without being “corny” about it.
    It’s the little things.
    It’s starting to pay off.
    Why?
    People are so frustrated out there.
    Sick to death of being told their culture is bad, when it is the best culture that has ever, ever existed by far.
    I am using my time on stage to remind them of what we are and how good it was and could be again.

    Middle Australia = Teh Hildebeeste’s “Deplorables” – a badge of honour.

  152. Oh come on

    It’s the cruise ship Grigory pulls his plonker to.

    It is an awfully pretentious, tin-eared name, isn’t it? Ovation Of The Seas. What kind of wanker thought that up? Bear in mind that the people who think it’s a fabulous vessel are types who don’t wash their hands after they have a crap.

  153. JC

    I’ve never understood the fun in taking a ship cruise when you can easily fly over water… and it’s much cheaper too… to get to a destination. Looking at water day in day out must be really boring.

  154. Top Ender

    This article makes Bryce out to be a) a liar, and b) a bad writer, but c) a big seller.

    He comes across as a leftie too, so it’s strange he never was given a major literary prize.

  155. Leigh Lowe

    Aboriginal horror film.
    Pension Day?

  156. Courtenay’s whole life was a fraud. A complete bullshit artist.

    Factcheck status: True

  157. Delta A

    Louie the Fly, Top Ender.

    And “the Milky Bar Kid”.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    The Ovation of the Seas is a cargo ship which transports salmomella around world.

  159. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2586736, posted on December 17, 2017 at 4:56 pm
    Didn’t actually finish The Power of One. Read all but a couple of chapters and had had enough of the “I”, “I, “I” “I was wonderful” stuff.

    And we all know how much Grigory likes to talk about himself in the third person, as in:

    Grigory M
    #2311190, posted on February 28, 2017 at 12:08 pm
    Grigory M is going to see the move Split later today.

  160. Nick

    It’s the cruise ship Grigory pulls his plonker to.

    It is an awfully pretentious, tin-eared name, isn’t it? Ovation Of The Seas. What kind of wanker thought that up? Bear in mind that the people who think it’s a fabulous vessel are types who don’t wash their hands after they have a crap.

    He travels on Onation of the seas

  161. JC

    I mean don’t get me wrong.. a couple of days on a sail yacht around the Greek islands would be fun and it’s half on a bucket list. But Ovulation on the Seas? Yuk

  162. Mark A

    JC
    #2586762, posted on December 17, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    Jeez, it’s this?
    Looks like a cheap a Walmart on water.

    Don’t knock it JC, I was shouted down when I questioned the enjoyment of being on a prison ship you can’t escape for the duration of the trip.
    For God’s sake, how can cheap (free), food and booze compensate for that? Even if the fare was free, which is not?

  163. Baldrick

    Ovation E.coli of the Seas

    Fixed.

  164. P

    Ovation of the Seas is in town. Where’s Lizzie with her report?
    Unless she’s laid low with the collywobbles. 😬

    Lizzie wrote here this afternoon.

  165. JC

    Grigory M
    #2311190, posted on February 28, 2017 at 12:08 pm
    Grigory M is going to see the move Split later today.

    Lol.. or more appropriately…

    Gargeeeloy M is about to be booted from the Cat because he’s a weirdo freak who kills neighbor’s pets.

  166. Leigh Lowe

    God, Ian Chappell is a boring twat.

  167. zyconoclast

    Beers.
    Regular drinking: Stella Artois 5-5.2% only

    Somethings special:
    Yenda IPA5.4%
    other details

  168. Roger

    A significant minority of Christians and a majority of Muslims believe – at least on a theological level – that we’re all committing a crime.

    A sin, Helen, not a crime.

    A girl who went to a Christian school ought to at least know that.

  169. testpattern

    ‘Aboriginal horror film.
    Pension Day?’

    Well done that man. Soon I shall be hosting the inaugural Racist of the Year award 2017 for outstanding contributions to hatespeeech. It’s going to be hard to choose from among so many worthy nominees!

  170. Oh come on

    Lizzie wrote here this afternoon.

    Yick. Rae-P (say it ‘rapey’) takes a great deal of interest in Lizzie.

  171. min

    Caught the end of some show about Roy Orbison I think the baby was his grandson who was clapping and moving his hands in time with the music and crawled over and twanged the guitar . Amazing

  172. calli

    Did she now? Missed it. But no cruise report.

    On cruises – like all things, it depends. Endless days “at sea” are dire, but hop off in the morning, sightsee and hop back on in the evening is great.

    On the e. coli – I suspect it has more to do with the ports visited than the passengers’ toilet habits. You must go back to your room and wash those hands properly – the sanitation wipes just don’t cut it. I’ve watched people get back on and head straight for the snacks. Erk.

    Wish me luck on my Nile cruise. Danger lurks at every bend. 🙂

  173. Oh come on

    Pesty accuses someone of being a racist. Must be a day ending in ‘y’

  174. Nick

    God, Ian Chappell is a boring twat.

    Surely the worst is that giggling imbecile Peterson?

  175. Oh come on

    Calli, I’m sure cruises ain’t cruises. However, anything a certain cruise enthusiast here gets worked up over is certain to be tacky, tasteless and interminably dull, just like the individual himself.

  176. calli

    There are some beautiful up-market small cruise ships that concentrate on the Med. Far too expensive for me, but more well-heeled Cats could try them and see. Might get a pleasant surprise.

  177. testpattern

    Giving back to the world. Great stuff.

    Jasper in Indonesia

    ‘Jasper Warrybara of our Dinybulu Regional Services team in Ramingining has been … to volunteer on an International Aid plumbing project in Indonesia. Great work Jasper, well done! Check out the video for the full story..’

    https://us10.campaign-archive.com/?u=d4649798631036d96f8cd7797&id=111e1299a1

  178. nemkat

    Two Candidate Preferred in Bennelong: Alexander 44,841
    KKK37,046
    Alexander’s TCP was 8,080 higher than his Primary Vote, KKK gained 7,567.
    Australian Conservatives, Christian Democrats, and ALA totalled 6,769 Primary votes and the others, including The Greens, got 8,879.
    Rough guess: Alexander got the vast majority of AC, ALA, & CD preferences. plus 25% of Greens preferences.There must be a few Public Hospitals in Bennelong, because committed socialists who vote Greens loathe the ALP for what they’ve done to the system.

  179. Nick

    Giving back to the world. Great stuff.
    Jasper in Indonesia

    Pity Dinbulu doesn’t give back to the Australian tax payer.

  180. Top Ender

    Here is David Williamson’s pretentious 2005 article on the cruise he and his wife (won) to Noumea.

  181. Serena;

    Hauling carcases to a central spot, in McKinlay district? Seriously?

    I should have been more specific. The central carcass point on each property, surrounded by wire fence.
    And why not?
    It gives someone a job overseeing those dastardly sons of the soil who are probably doing all kinds of things that the State feels they have a right to observe. Like growing crops ‘n stuff.
    I think the point is that now the drone surveillance is legal, the Council can do whatever they like!
    One should train up eagles to attack drones…

  182. Nick

    Top Ender. Tim Blair really gave it to him too. Hahahahaha.

  183. Mark A

    calli
    #2586794, posted on December 17, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    There are some beautiful up-market small cruise ships that concentrate on the Med. Far too expensive for me, but more well-heeled Cats could try them and see. Might get a pleasant surprise.

    Even if we could afford it, I simply for the life of me, can’t see the point.
    Why take the long road if you can fly or drive to the places you’d like to visit?
    What is the attraction of being stranded for days or worse weeks on a ship?
    Can’t you just stay in an hotel? Same thing. Better even.

  184. marcus classis

    If this is correct, it actually is high treason.

    Six U.S. agencies created a stealth task force, spearhead by CIA’s Brennan, to run domestic surveillance on Trump associates and possibly Trump himself.
    To feign ignorance and to seemingly operate within U.S. laws, the agencies freelanced the wiretapping of Trump associates to the British spy agency GCHQ.
    The decision to insert GCHQ as a back door to eavesdrop was sparked by the denial of two FISA Court warrant applications filed by the FBI to seek wiretaps of Trump associates.
    GCHQ did not work from London or the UK. In fact the spy agency worked from NSA’s headquarters in Fort Meade, MD with direct NSA supervision and guidance to conduct sweeping surveillance on Trump associates.
    The illegal wiretaps were initiated months before the controversial Trump dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele.
    The Justice Department and FBI set up the meeting at Trump Tower between Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner with controversial Russian officials to make Trump’s associates appear compromised.
    Following the Trump Tower sit down, GCHQ began digitally wiretapping Manafort, Trump Jr., and Kushner.
    After the concocted meeting by the Deep State, the British spy agency could officially justify wiretapping Trump associates as an intelligence front for NSA because the Russian lawyer at the meeting Natalia Veselnitskaya was considered an international security risk and prior to the June sit down was not even allowed entry into the United States or the UK, federal sources said.
    By using GCHQ, the NSA and its intelligence partners had carved out a loophole to wiretap Trump without a warrant. While it is illegal for U.S. agencies to monitor phones and emails of U.S. citizens inside the United States absent a warrant, it is not illegal for British intelligence to do so. Even if the GCHQ was tapping Trump on U.S. soil at Fort Meade.
    The wiretaps, secured through illicit scheming, have been used by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 election, even though the evidence is considered “poisoned fruit.”

    Link

  185. Snoopy

    The central carcass point on each property, surrounded by wire fence.

    They sound a bit like pig traps but there is usually more than one (5 or 6?) per property.

  186. Fisky

    Country shopper update

    Behrouz Boochani‏ @BehrouzBoochani
    Dec 10

    The footage released in the media clearly shows that local people are angry with the new prison camps beside their villages. The immigration minister is lying again. Instead of accusing people stop making conflict between refugees and locals.

  187. nemkat

    Thin Arthur has died. From Tim Blair’s site.

  188. squawkbox

    Re all the previous commenters on Bryce Courtenay’s “The Power of One”
    Ditto. redoubled. In Spades
    Mary Sue characters are bad in any circumstances, but the child Mary Sue is worst. The Afrikaner kids who bullied the idealized child-Bryce weren’t half as tough on him as they should have been.

    An absolutely nauseating pile of saccharine wish-fulfilment

  189. calli

    It’s just different, MarkA. Not for everyone. I like to mix my holidays around a bit – self-guiding, driving, small group tours, cruises to places I want to visit.

    My rule of thumb – if I can understand the language, I’ll self-guide and drive. If it’s all Greek to me (including Greece) it’s a small group. And if it’s easier to get there by water than by land it’s a cruise. Simples.

    Example – I can’t see myself driving through the Panama Canal. 😀

  190. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    ‘We’ll respect Kristina Keneally in the Senate’: PM

    AAP
    5:20PM December 17, 2017

    Kristina Keneally would be treated with respect if she were to fill the Senate vacancy created by Sam Dastyari’s resignation, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says.

    There’s speculation the former NSW premier will take the seat after she lost the tough Bennelong by-election on Saturday, despite a two-party preferred swing of around five per cent swing to Labor.

    Ms Keneally refused during the last week of the campaign to rule out an interest in replacing Senator Dastyari who announced his resignation last Tuesday.

    “I am here running as a candidate for Bennelong, the only thing I’ve been offered by Bill Shorten is to be Labor’s candidate for Bennelong,” she said.

    But Labor figures have spoken in favour of a senate spot for Ms Keneally.

    Frontbencher Matt Thistlethwaite last night said the former state MP and Sky News host was a capable politician and would make a good senator.

    Breaking, from the Oz. In a just world, Keneally would be treated with the contempt she deserved.

  191. John Comnenus

    As you were Cats.

    The Christmas Tree is decorated including a small gold cherub from my wedding some 20+ years ago.

    Self satisfied I’m listening to Fox Christmas songs radio and drinking the cheapest Pilsner (my fave beer variety) from 500 ml cans. God bless Dan Murphy stocking Oettinger.

  192. Tom

    If this is correct, it actually is high treason.

    Imagine living in a country where the news media isn’t the public’s eyes and ears, but an enforcement mechanism for the government’s repression of democracy. The last country that was anything like the USA in 2016-17 was the Soviet Union, although the banana republics of Central America also come to mind.

  193. Makka

    ‘Aboriginal horror film.
    Pension Day?’

    “The day I started work.”

    “Guard dogs at the Av-gas tanks.”

    “My childhood in the communidy.”

  194. old bloke

    johanna
    #2586697, posted on December 17, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    Freud had some interesting insights, but anyone who takes him literally is a fool.

    To take Freud literally you would have to read him in German. I read an introduction to Freudian psychoanalysis when I was going to primary school, it was a book which my father had recently purchased and I thought it was about time I start reading “grown up” books.

    I thought it was a load of rubbish, all this writing about id, ego, super-ego etc., and so I went back to my Biggles books which made more sense.

    As I grew older and started reading wider I came across a lot of very interesting people like Carl Jung, Alfred Adler, Immanuel Velikovsky, Wilhelm Reich and others who had been students and associates of Freud, quite insightful people in many different ways, and I thought their association with Freud was rather incongrous.

    Later I came across a small book defending Freud which clarified the situation. Freud wrote in German and his writings suffered at the hands of his translators. Freud had said that medical doctors, in particular American doctors, should not practice psychoanalysis as they have no understanding of what was required. Freud envisaged something like a priesthood rather than a medical fraternity to advance his ideas.

    His language was also butchered in translation, rather than id, ego, etc., Freud used terms like soul, spirit, etc. His American translators didn’t like the quasi-religious language that Freud used so they inserted their own language and terms, so we can’t blame Freud for the “Freudian” mumbo-jumbo.

    So if you were to take Freud literally, you would have to read him in his native German.

  195. Mark A

    calli
    #2586809, posted on December 17, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    Example – I can’t see myself driving through the Panama Canal. 😀

    Fair enough, understood, but there are these thingos that fly. And why would going in a group help with language?

    Anyway, as you said, not for everyone, and I leave it there before I upset someone with my obnoxiousness. I simply couldn’t stand being in a place I can’t leave.
    As far As I know there is only a couple of places on earth approachable only by water (the Amazon) or air and they are in South America, Peru? If I’m not mistaken.

  196. Chris

    So if you were to take Freud literally, you would have to read him in his native German.

    Also you would have to be prepared for circular reasoning, fakery and research fraud.

  197. urb

    anyone know where Dallas Scott is these days?

  198. cohenite

    Roger

    #2586782, posted on December 17, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    A significant minority of Christians and a majority of Muslims believe – at least on a theological level – that we’re all committing a crime.

    A sin, Helen, not a crime.

    That sums up the difference between islam and Christianity. For islam a sin is a crime because they do not accept the separation of church and state.

    For Christianity a sin does not have to be a crime. Having said that a lot of the criminal offences do have their exegesis in Christian notion of sin.

  199. Chris

    In any case, that use of Freudian language was just hyperbowl to describe the reduction in white male privilege over the last 50 years. The author did not for a minute think that all men have been castrated or that Freud was right about anything; rather that his terminology was more useful than modern language for that one statement.

  200. John Comnenus

    I think it is fairly clear that the US intelligence community tried to run a coup against Trump. Fortunately the CIA – FBI – DOJ coup generated the usual outcome from US intelligence community interference in elections – a total fail. If the Russians ran the coup Trump’s head would already be on a spike.

    Now the only question in my mind is whether the charges that will inevitably be laid will be for corruption or treason. Trump doesn’t look stressed or worried in the slightest – unlike Rosenstein with his involuntary shoulder tic when testifying before congress. They are going down, big time.

    They convinced themselves Trump is an idiot and forgot that the ‘idiot’ Trump is use to dealing with the mob, the Government (that’s a different mob), unions and other cut throat businessmen in the NYC real estate and property development market. I’d say they are toast, Trump has stared down the first arrempted Coup in the USA. Hopefully the prosecutors go for the death penalty.

  201. Delta A

    I read “Power of One” solely because Bryce Courtenay compared the fiction prize presentation in which I was a finalist, and which resulted in the publication of my first novel (and a nice, big cheque which I photocopied, sure that I would never again hold that amount of money in my hand.)

    I then read “Tandia”. Most of it. And I didn’t read any more Courtenay.

  202. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NEWS
    Queensland’s treasurer defends controversial new land tax

    AAP
    5:59PM December 17, 2017

    New Queensland Treasurer Jackie Trad has defended her government’s planned ‘Robin Hood’ property tax ahead of her first budget update on Monday. The Property Council on Sunday warned the proposed 2.5 per cent land tax on properties worth more than $10 million would hurt land values and jobs growth. But Ms Trad dismissed the claims, saying the “modest” tax would only affect 850 property owners.

    “This is a very modest increase … we think it’s fair that those that can pay a little bit more, do pay a little bit more,” she told reporters on Sunday. Ms Trad will release the government’s Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook on Monday, but is keeping mum about what the budget update will contain. “We went to the election with a very clear comprehensive fiscal strategy, we outlined the revenue measures and the expenditure measures that we would be introducing this term and I’ll let that document speak for itself,” she said. The land tax was one of four new taxes announced by then Treasurer Curtis Pitt just days before the November 25 election and is expected to raise $227 million for the state’s coffers.

  203. Combine Dave

    Fisky
    #2586805, posted on December 17, 2017 at 6:15 pm
    Country shopper update

    Behrouz Boochani‏ @BehrouzBoochani
    Dec 10

    The footage released in the media clearly shows that local people are angry with the new prison camps beside their villages.

    No one wants these guys.

    Sad.

    Send them home (or somewhere alike say France or Germany).

  204. zyconoclast

    Cassie [18 boxes of drugs/headphones] Sainsbury set to marry in ‘lavish’ prison ceremony

    The couple’s celebrity agent, Max Markson, told Adelaide’s Advertiser that he expected a who’s who of Australian designers to create her dress.

    “It’s going to be a special event and will attract attention across the country … that’s great exposure,” Markson said.

    He said he couldn’t disclose any more details of the wedding but he expected it to be an intimate affair of family, jail wardens and friends she has made in the foreigner’s wing of the Bogota prison.

  205. squawkbox

    God, Ian Chappell is a boring twat.
    So true. He’s the Steve Davis of cricket.

  206. Chris

    I think it is fairly clear that the US intelligence community tried to run a coup against Trump.

    They illegally used the apparatus of the state to gather evidence of ‘crimes’ they could nail him for, or at least derail his campaign for Crooked Hillary to get the White House. A coup would be what a lot of the media and activists are talking up, but shonky and partisan as the Deep State (hah!) are, it’s not quite a coup.

  207. Token

    Nathan Lyon!

    That man seems to get know how to a Root in Perth

  208. egg_

    No reported explosive diarrhoea on the slip and slide on Ablution of the Seas, yet?

  209. zyconoclast

    An Italian Municipality With 110 Residents and 113 Refugees

    And it is immediately a clash in the province of Brescia, where there are 38 municipalities that have to deal with a higher rate of reception than the maximum set by the Ministry of the Interior.
    The Brescia Oggi newspaper has drawn up the map of reception (centers) in the Lombardy province , which highlighted Gambara’s extreme case. The hard center-right attack: ” In Corvione di Gambara there are more asylum seekers than residents.The government , the leftist mayors and immigration professionals are creating disasters, ” said Regional Security Councilor Simona Bordonali. “A figure that certifies a further failure that we do not want to pass under. These guests have stayed for years in a former restaurant that could accommodate up to a maximum of 90. Now for immigrants the state goes quietly in derogation from the law. The ministerial threshold, the entire municipal territory of Gambara, should host a maximum of 12 asylum seekers. Instead they count 10 times as many. All with the silent consent of the mayor who instead of fighting the situation is giving these guests dozens of identity cards . ”
    For the Hon Paolo Grimoldi , a member of the Lega Nord and Secretary of the Lombard League, the idea of ​​the distribution of migrants desired by the minister is “a fairy tale”, a “colossal dance in reality”, with “incredible degeneration” as in case of Gambara. “This village represents the first concrete demonstration of the ethnic substitution that the Pd and the left are implementing … – concludes Grimoldi – It is time Minister Minniti intervenes and transfers these asylum seekers elsewhere”.

  210. egg_

    Teh Grigbot’s most amiable femme sock seems to be suffering from a bit of the collywobbles; time for a reboot?

  211. rickw

    islam does not accept the separation of church and state, Christianity does.

    The original thinking of separation of church and state was specifically aimed at preventing the state meddling in the churches affairs, it did not in fact cut the other way. It limited the state, but not the church.

    How idiotic that Australia’s political wanking class feel that they need to revisit this.

  212. Delta A

    No reported explosive diarrhoea on the slip and slide on Ablution of the Seas, yet?

    I have always thought that a week on a cruise ship would be the ultimate holiday. Then I heard about that nasty ship virus and thought that we would limit our options to only the best lines.

    Son in Law’s parents travelled first class on the Queen Mary for their special anniversary. Both were sick for almost the entire voyage.

    We’ve now given up on cruise ships.

  213. egg_

    So if you were to take Freud literally, you would have to read him in his native German.

    Fluent in German – reading psychobabble in German – is that anything like Vogon poetry?

  214. Leigh Lowe

    Kristina Keneally would be treated with respect if she were to fill the Senate vacancy created by Sam Dastyari’s resignation, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says.

    I can imagine The Phallactic Cranium Brandis’ tearful welcome to the Senate …
    ” … if I was a straight man I’d have a crack at you …”

  215. Snoopy

    Teh Grigbot’s most amiable femme sock seems to be suffering from a bit of the collywobbles; time for a reboot?

    Snap, Egg.

  216. zyconoclast

    I have always thought that a week on a cruise ship would be the ultimate holiday. Then I heard about that nasty ship virus and thought that we would limit our options to only the best lines.

    Son in Law’s parents travelled first class on the Queen Mary for their special anniversary. Both were sick for almost the entire voyage.

    We’ve now given up on cruise ships.

    I did a 9 day cruise. Survived and had a very good time. Glad I tried it.
    Survived and wont risk another turn.

  217. egg_

    People consequences:
    Turnbull will smug his way to the next political disaster, en route to a thrashing in 2018;
    Eddie’s Grrrl will be introduced to the Senate and treated like Joan of Arc;
    Shorten is a shit who has his job entirely at the convenience of the union movement;
    Albanese will be polishing his apple (in the nicest possible way);
    Abbott might as well test his acceptability with the AC – his days in the Liberals are done.

    Yup, the electors will be waiting (in the dark of a blackout?) with baseball bats.

  218. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I did a 9 day cruise. Survived and had a very good time. Glad I tried it.
    Survived and wont risk another turn.

    Done a couple of “big ship” cruises – once you get over the feeling that you are in a floating R.S. L, it’s not bad, but I do prefer the “canal boat” river cruises – the Rhine and the Danube.

  219. egg_

    Snoopy
    #2586843, posted on December 17, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    They were curiously absent during Grigs’ most recent absence, as I pointed out at the time.

  220. Siltstone

    zyconoclast
    #2586827, posted on December 17, 2017 at 7:01 pm
    Cassie [18 boxes of drugs/headphones] Sainsbury set to marry in ‘lavish’ prison ceremony

    Gets pregnant, tries for early release. Predictable.

  221. egg_

    Aboriginal horror film.

    9 to 5?

  222. Leigh Lowe

    Snort, cackle … egg?

  223. Snoopy

    Instead of Trump reversing Obama’s decision to list climate change as a major national security issue he should announce that the war against climate change has been won and take personal credit for it.

  224. zyconoclast

    Illegal immigration on border surges back to Obama levels
    Early gains under Trump had eroded

    Illegal immigration across the Southwest border has surged back to Obama-era levels, according to the latest data released Friday that suggests the gains President Trump made early in his tenure have worn off.

    Nearly 40,000 illegal immigrants were nabbed attempting to jump the border in November, which was up about 12 percent compared to October, and more than twice the monthly numbers from March and April, when Mr. Trump touted his early accomplishments.

    Perhaps just as worrisome for officials is the rise in families traveling together, which surged 45 percent last month, and unaccompanied minors traveling without parents, which rose 26 percent in November.

    Homeland Security said overall things are still an improvement over the worst years of President Obama.

    “Under President Trump, illegal immigration has declined dramatically over the last year,” said spokesman Tyler Q. Houlton.

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Oz has struck again – they’ve run an article of the disappearance of Harold Holt, but the thumbnail at the head of said article features a picture of Harold Wilson…

  226. Baldrick

    Ablution of the Seas

    Hahahaha egg_ wins

  227. Leigh Lowe

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2586855, posted on December 17, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    The Oz has struck again – they’ve run an article of the disappearance of Harold Holt, but the thumbnail at the head of said article features a picture of Harold Wilson…

    Channel Nein did a piece in their news.
    Described him as a “family man”.
    I think the term they were looking for was “pants man.”

  228. nemkat

    Troy Bramston was an odd choice to write the article about Holt in yesterday’s paper. Couldn’t imagine the Oz running a historical story about an ALP man written by a non ALP journalist who wasn’t even alive at the time
    It was also crude propaganda: the inference is that Holt was under pressure, and may have taken his own life.

  229. Snoopy

    The Malaysian dwarf is looking hawt tonight dressed in the late Michael Jackson’s clothes.

  230. Senile Old Guy

    [blockquote] God, Ian Chappell is a boring twat.[/blockquote]

    Fact check status: True; in spades.

  231. Oh come on

    I then read “Tandia”. Most of it. And I didn’t read any more Courtenay.

    Tandia is the one that starts ‘On the day she was raped…’ – as in, that’s the very first line?

    The whole book was basically the collected fantasies of a dirty old man. Including the pearls of wisdom from a black brothel keep, which included something like ‘she knew white snakes liked to slither into black holes and black snakes liked to slither into white holes’. Classy guy, that Bryce Courtenay.

  232. nemkat

    “pants man.”
    He must have been riding a lot of women. That sort of pressure could wear a bloke down.

  233. Oh come on

    Look, of course illegal immigration is going to surge if the US economy booms. It’s a good thing, really. If illegal immigration stays low, Trump will be under less pressure to build a wall.

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