Open Forum: December 16, 2017

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  1. Done a couple of “big ship” cruises – once you get over the feeling that you are in a floating R.S. L, it’s not bad, but I do prefer the “canal boat” river cruises – the Rhine and the Danube.

    I’ve cruised 18-35’s only on a big ship, it feels like you’re at one big floating party – Alas the door to this excitement may be closed to many Catallaxians.

  2. Oh come on

    So, to summarise, Bryce Courtenay was a dirty old codger and full-on bullshit artist.

  3. Oh come on

    One of those rainbow cruises, eh, Stevie?

  4. zyconoclast

    White! Christmas!

    The Hallmark Channel’s 21-movie fusillade in the War on Christmas is a ratings sensation. I’m watching it all to find out why.

    They brim with white heterosexuals who exclusively, emphatically, and endlessly bellow, “Merry Christmas.”

  5. egg_

    So, to summarise, Bryce Courtenay was a dirty old codger and full-on bullshit artist.

    Sounds like yer standard Leftoid celeb.

  6. squawkbox

    So, to summarise, Bryce Courtenay was a dirty old codger and full-on bullshit artist.

    Don’t underestimate the man. He was a self-righteous politically correct wankstain as well.

  7. zyconoclast

    White House aims to sway opinion on immigration overhaul

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House is embarking on a major campaign to turn public opinion against the nation’s largely family-based immigration system ahead of an all-out push next year to move toward a more merit-based structure.

    The administration was laying the groundwork for such a drive even before an Islamic State-inspired extremist who was born in Bangladesh tried to blow himself up in Midtown Manhattan on Monday. It is assembling data to bolster the argument that the current legal immigration system is not only ill-conceived, but dangerous and damaging to U.S. workers.

    “We believe that data drives policy, and this data will help drive votes for comprehensive immigration reform in Congress,” said White House spokesman Hogan Gidley.

  8. zyconoclast

    Illegal immigrants to be given $1bn for healthcare under contentious new California Democratic proposal

    California, flush with cash from an expanding economy, would eventually spend $1 billion a year to provide health care to immigrants living in the state illegally under a proposal.

    The proposal, announced on Wednesday by Democratic lawmakers, would eliminate legal residency requirements in California’s Medicaid program, known as Medi-Cal, as the state has already done for young people up to age 19.

  9. egg_

    He was a self-righteous politically correct wankstain as well.

    Yup, hypocrisy rides well with a Leftoid celeb.

  10. One detects there’s a few here who don’t much like Bryce Courtenay.
    So much so that they’re even slinging off at his bestsellers, ones that sold millions of copies & got made into Hollywood movies with A-list starring.

    Right. I smell the green-eyed monster.

  11. zyconoclast

    The Community-College ‘Segregation Machine’
    California’s remedial-class system holds back a disproportionate number of students of color.

    SAN DIEGO—Anthony Rodriguez recalled sitting in a remedial math class at Grossmont College, bored out of his mind. The professor was teaching basic math skills that the 18-year-old had already learned in high school.

    Rodriguez was forced into remedial math by the community college’s placement test, which assesses a student’s ability to succeed in for-credit, higher-education classes. Rodriguez’s placement-test scores dictated at least a year of these low-level math courses. They cost the same as regular classes but don’t count toward a bachelor’s degree.

    Each week, Rodriguez watched as fewer and fewer classmates showed up. Eventually, he dropped out too.

    “Who goes to college to learn what they were doing in high school?” he asked.

  12. egg_

    He was a self-righteous politically correct wankstain as well.

    Another lecturing ad-man of Phatty’s ilk.

  13. Oh come on

    The Hallmark Channel’s 21-movie fusillade in the War on Christmas is a ratings sensation. I’m watching it all to find out why.

    They brim with white heterosexuals who exclusively, emphatically, and endlessly bellow, “Merry Christmas.”

    I read an interesting article about how the Hallmark channel is a low-profile ratings giant, and growing all the time. Turns out people like civility, likeable characters, non-transgressive and accessible plot lines, happy endings etc.

  14. cohenite

    zyconoclast

    #2586838, posted on December 17, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    Pat Condell: A Brief Message to Third-World Predatory Scum

    Apparently banned from Youtube.

    Pat would have made a great double with Milo.

  15. Snoopy

    Andwew Pwobyn unaccountably forgets Labor’s use of the race card.

  16. Leigh Lowe

    I’ve cruised 18-35’s only on a big ship, it feels like you’re at one big floating party – Alas the door to this excitement may be closed to many Catallaxians.

    Not a door I am tempted to open.

  17. egg_

    They brim with white heterosexuals who exclusively, emphatically, and endlessly bellow, “Merry Christmas.”

    Barnesy must be Aunty’s Santa Claus this year – screeching on the finale of The Book Club and hosting during Xmas, according to the promos.
    Bank threatening to call in the mortgage on his Bowral mansion?

  18. I read an interesting article about how the Hallmark channel is a low-profile ratings giant, and growing all the time. Turns out people like civility, likeable characters, non-transgressive and accessible plot lines, happy endings etc.

    Easy to believe.
    But oh-my-god, Hallmark movies are so boring.
    Last night I had the misfortune to watch one on Youtube – thank god for the low profile preview on the timeline, & the ability to skip ahead.

    They’re also hard to watch coz of the inaccuracies, which come about every 3 seconds.

  19. egg_

    Not a door I am tempted to open.

    Sounds like a Harvey Wankstain party.

  20. Oh come on

    Steve, that’s just stupid. Why would anyone be jealous of Bryce Courtenay for his success and not be jealous of, say, Gina Rinehart or Bill Gates or someone far more successful than Courtenay?

    You could accuse people here criticising Courtenay of being literary snobs – that might hit a bit closer to home.

    The retort to that would be that maybe the critics appreciate decent writing and cannot abide Courtenay-esque masturbatory sludge. If that makes me a literary snob, then fine – I’m a literary snob. I’m certainly not jealous of him. That’s ridiculous.

  21. Not a door I am tempted to open.

    It was a fantastic time LL, but oh brother, you need to have your drinking boots on!

  22. Not a door I am tempted to open.

    Sounds like a Harvey Wankstain party.

    There are similarities.
    As in all carnal frolicking was consensual.

  23. Delta A

    Alas the door to this excitement may be closed to many Catallaxians.

    Alas?

    Surely you jest. Most of the Catallaxians are grown-ups, Steve/Serena at the Pub.

    I doubt that many (any) here are hanging out to do the 18 to 35’s non-stop party.

  24. Roger

    Qld…power keeping the NSW, Vic and Tas air conditioners working.

    Don’t worry…our newly returned QLD ALP government will be doing their best to thwart this in the future with a 50% renewables target.

  25. squawkbox

    One detects there’s a few here who don’t much like Bryce Courtenay.
    So much so that they’re even slinging off at his bestsellers, ones that sold millions of copies & got made into Hollywood movies with A-list starring.

    Right. I smell the green-eyed monster.

    Nope. I’ll cheerfully admit to all the other six deadly sins, but I’ve never suffered from envy. The other 6 are all enjoyable in their different ways, but envy simply makes you feel bad without affecting the subject of it in any way. My reaction to Bryce Courtenay isn’t directed at him so much as at the teeming masses who gulped up his slush. Makes me wish I belonged to a different species.

  26. notafan

    Yes Serena every time the Cat is critical of someone on the left it’s because we are jealous of their financial status.

    Other excellent examples include Bob Hawke, Paul Keating, Philip Adams Peter Fitzsimmons Kevin Rudd and who could forget dear Uncle George.

  27. stackja

    notafan
    #2586898, posted on December 17, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    Jim Cairns?

  28. Oh come on

    Sounds like someone is indulging in a bit of Courtenay-esque embellishment of their youthful exploits.

  29. Lol Notafan. There’s certainly some snobbery. Bryce Courtenay wasn’t even particularly bright.
    But he wrote well enough to have one multi-million seller. It made not a bad movie either – albeit lifted along by the presence of Morgan Freeman.
    Much of his stuff was crap.
    He actually had a few good books in him, but never quite got them together in the one tome. Nor could he keep his sour-assed anti-British hatred out of every second paragraph. This detracted from some otherwise very good writing.

    However very few at the Cat are in any position to sling off at someone for the sin of… … writing shit.

    Power of One was a worldwide best-seller. With good reason.
    Slinging off at it is just as stupid as the slinging off which is directed here at Andre Rieu.
    And just as small minded.

    I’ll break with my usual objectivity & add here that I couldn’t stand either Courtenay, his writing, or his politics.

    I’ll always remember him for his public statement that the Bali bombing was retaliation for Australia joining the Iraq war.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hook-handed hate preacher Abu Hamza ‘yearns to return to comforts of British prisons after having enough of tough conditions in US ‘Supermax’ jails’

    Former Finsbury Park imam is currently being held in ADX Florence, Colorado
    Court documents reveal he is kept in his cell 23 hours a day and caged outside
    The 59-year-old is launching an appeal claiming conditions breach human rights
    When held in Belmarsh, south east London, he was allowed to mix with others

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5187647/Abu-Hamza-supermax-prefers-Belmarsh.html#ixzz51VcUbybW
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    Seems to me that “Supermax” is doing a wonderful job of deterrence. Don’t like being in “Supermax”? Keep your mouth shut in the first place.

  31. stackja

    Courtenay entered the advertising industry and, over a career spanning 34 years, was the Creative Director of McCann Erickson, J. Walter Thompson and George Patterson Advertising. His award-winning campaigns included Louie the Fly and the original Milkybar Kid commercial

  32. Mark A

    Can’t be bother to look it up, never read any of his book as I found him a sanctimonious bore in person, so which of his book was made into a fillum?

  33. Mark A

    missing the plurals here an mass, don’t know the reason?

  34. squawkbox

    Power of One was a garbage fantasy that succeeded only as far as it appealed to the typical reader’s worst instincts of self-pity and wish-fulfilment. It’s like eating 2 lbs of liquorice allsorts at once. Enjoyable at the time, but you feel sick and ashamed afterwards.

  35. notafan

    In other words Serena

    You don’t have a point

  36. Delta A

    It’s like eating 2 lbs of liquorice allsorts at once. Enjoyable at the time, but you feel sick and ashamed afterwards.

    That made me lol.

    Thanks 🙂

  37. In other words Serena
    You don’t have a point

    Serious question Notafan, are you well these past few months?

  38. notafan

    Oh for goodness sake Serena you just criticized everybody else for criticising Bryce Courtenay books and then said oh oh they’re crap yourself.

    You argue like a whiny Californian girl

  39. Oh come on

    Nota’s playing whack-a-mole rather well today!

  40. Hey Monts, what’s your best guess for the date of Comey’s arrest?

    That’s not going to happen, but Trump starting another Saturday Night Massacre is very much on the cards. Fox is baying for blood. Trump will have to fire Rosenstein and hope one of his underlings can be his Robert Bork.

    Now that it seems the tax bill has got the votes it needs, what use does Congress have for Trump? He’s electoral deadweight, and there’s a wave coming.

  41. I have to reiterate my question Notafan. You haven’t been yourself for quite a while.

  42. Token

    His award-winning campaigns included Louie the Fly and the original Milkybar Kid commercial

    Annoying cloying dross. They always were “meh!”

  43. Oh come on

    Serious question Notafan, are you well these past few months?

    It’s not a serious question. You just got owned. Stop trying to distract from this with dumb questions.

  44. stackja

    Token
    #2586915, posted on December 17, 2017 at 8:50 pm nnoying cloying dross.

    Isn’t all advertising?

  45. Token

    Mad as a cut snake, but also so funny:

    It is expected that a sea of black on the red carpet will encourage reporters to ask questions on the current pushback against sexism and gender inequality in Hollywood, but McGowan is unconvinced, declaring it to be a mere token gesture.

    In particular, she slammed Meryl Streep, who has previously worked with The Pig Monster (disgraced producer Harvey Weinstein), for her ongoing silence. She wrote:

    Actresses, like Meryl Streep, who happily worked for The Pig Monster, are wearing black [at the Golden Globes] in a silent protest. YOUR SILENCE is THE problem. You’ll accept a fake award breathlessly & affect no real change. I despise your hypocrisy. Maybe you should all wear Marchesa.

    Marchesa is the fashion label run by Weinstein’s estranged wife, designer Georgina Chapman, and in recent weeks, many actresses have claimed that they were bullied and strong-armed into wearing it on red carpets.

    What an icon Rose is. An international treasure.

  46. egg_

    Hey Monts, what’s your best guess for the date of Comey’s arrest?

    He works Sundays.

  47. It’s not a serious question. You just got owned. Stop trying to distract from this with dumb questions.

    It’ll take more than an autistic sourpuss, one who loses their shit every second time I type (this stating that not only do I own their head, but they recognise their inferiority to me) to tell me I’ve been owned.

    Btw, you just got owned! 😉

  48. notafan

    Whereas you are still the same irritating little tick either trolling or regaling us with one of your tedious ‘Real Australian’ anecdotes.

    One for every occasion!

  49. egg_

    Or is that Sundaes – with a donut on top?

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyone of the bush lawyers on the Cat Help out? Would Kristina Keneally receive a pension as a former Premier of N.S.W, and what would be the status if she got her ar$e into the Senate? Two pensions?

  51. Token

    Isn’t all advertising?

    Not all. I remember as a kid in school trips the ad jingles we’d sing, and none of his work was on the list.

  52. Sorry Notafan, I’d always thought you a nice person.
    My error of judgement. From time to time I misread people so.

  53. Oh come on

    No, really, I didn’t. Stevie, you are getting ever more sad. Pathetic, even.

    Go on, regale the thread with your young’uns only cruise that you took in 1983.

  54. squawkbox

    Not all. I remember as a kid in school trips the ad jingles we’d sing, and none of his work was on the list.

    Me too, and even as a smallish child being seen consuming a milky bar would raise questions about your sexuality

  55. Token

    Would Kristina Keneally receive a pension as a former Premier of N.S.W…

    Didn’t O’Farrell bar her from most of the perks to prevent the taxpayer being slugged for the revolving list Laboratory put in place?

  56. Oh come on

    See, here’s the thing, Stevie. Grown-ups don’t actually care a jot about your silly 18-35yos only cruise. If you were a grown-up, you’d know this. I personally cannot think of anything worse. A cruise ship full of the likes of you. I’d be abandoning ship with the closest lifeboat. Lifeboat optional. Hell, drowning at sea would be preferable.

  57. notafan

    Poor Serena he’s rude to someone and is shocked, shocked when they are rude back.

  58. egg_

    Would Kristina Keneally receive a pension as a former Premier of N.S.W…

    What did John Fahey, Bob Carr et al do?

  59. Rae

    \

    One detects there’s a few here who don’t much like Bryce Courtenay.
    So much so that they’re even slinging off at his bestsellers, ones that sold millions of copies & got made into Hollywood movies with A-list starring.

    Right. I smell the green-eyed monster.

    No green-eyed monster in my case. Don’t know anything about the man himself. I just didn’t like what he wrote or the way he wrote it in The Power of One. I couldn’t finish it, and I have read none of his other books.

  60. No, really, I didn’t. Stevie, you are getting ever more sad. Pathetic, even.

    Nice words there. By the way you slip into infantile petulance you really feel the burn of inadequacy. My benevolence/patience in not charging you headspace rent will not be everlasting you know.

  61. Dave in Marybrook

    Mr Courtenay started doing the rounds of the well-heeled ladies’ bookgroups, after his writing fell to unexceptional, but still trading on the P of One, Tandia etc. He was a bit of a letch, and no doubt sometimes successful and sometimes rebuffed… I wonder if he’s famous enough to be the subject of harassment claims?

  62. Leigh Lowe

    Sorry, but the 18-35 cruise sounds like “Schoolies on the High Seas.”
    A salmonella ridden buffet and decks awash with Vodka Cruiser vomit and used condoms is not my idea of a holiday.

  63. I smell the green-eyed monster.

    It is actually tribalism. That sin denizens of this site sneer at when they see it in lefties.
    Courtenay was a left wing dickhead. This means everything he said & did sux bigtime (according to tribalists).

    This is helped by everything Courtenay did having actually sucked bigtime (except for making lotsa money from writing a couple of books).

  64. Top Ender

    Courtenay…said…the Bali bombing was retaliation for Australia joining the Iraq war

    Also said that the 9/11 attacks were because the USA attacked Afghanistan.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    I wonder if he’s famous enough to be the subject of harassment claims?

    He’s not returning calls …

  66. Nick

    Sorry, but the 18-35 cruise sounds like “Schoolies on the High Seas.”
    A salmonella ridden buffet and decks awash with Vodka Cruiser vomit and used condoms is not my idea of a holiday.

    You’re just jealous LL :)p

  67. jupes

    ‘We’ll respect Kristina Keneally in the Senate’: PM

    Spends the whole Bennelong campaign highlighting her links to Obeid but now will treat her with “respect”.

    What a fucking idiot.

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What did John Fahey, Bob Carr et al do?

    I’m just curious as to whether Keneally will be in a position to soak the taxpayer for two Parliamentary pensions, if she is rewarded with the perfumed Persians Senate seat, and qualifies for a pension there.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Yes, indeed Nick.
    Wracked with spasms of envy.

  70. Sorry, but the 18-35 cruise sounds like “Schoolies on the High Seas.”
    A salmonella ridden buffet and decks awash with Vodka Cruiser vomit and used condoms is not my idea of a holiday.

    Someone’s showing their age. 😉

  71. zyconoclast

    Anyone of the bush lawyers on the Cat Help out? Would Kristina Keneally receive a pension as a former Premier of N.S.W, and what would be the status if she got her ar$e into the Senate? Two pensions?

    Bob Carr kept his NSW parliamentary pension and perks even when working for Macquarie and any other job he had.

    His federal superannuation was bugger all by comparison because he was only in for a short time and he joined the Senate after the 2004 changes.

  72. What a fucking idiot. [Turnbull]

    Factcheck: True

  73. It is actually tribalism. That sin denizens of this site sneer at when they see it in lefties.

    What! Some Cats here are tribal? Never!!

    Snort . . . chuckle . . .

  74. Oh come on

    By the way you slip into infantile petulance you really feel the burn of inadequacy

    Those are very specific allegations, particularly the one about inadequacy. Such a response could be prompted by any number of motivations. Yet, Stevie settled on a sense of inadequacy. Revealing. Someone’s projecting, I think.

  75. Mark A

    Serena at the Pub
    #2586947, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    Someone’s showing their age. 😉

    Having taste is showing age now is it?

  76. Having taste is showing age now is it?

    Quick thinking to come up with that response. Well done.
    I’ll use it often when needs be, shamelessly without attribution.

  77. John Comnenus

    Kristina Kennearley is already adept at soaking the tax payer. It’s now just a question of how wet!

  78. egg_

    Oh come on
    #2586931, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    Is there a term for the lechers that hang around during Schoolies Week?

  79. Boambee John

    m0nty at 2047

    Can you let us know what you are drinking, it seems to be powerful stuff!

  80. Siltstone

    Is there a term for the lechers that hang around during Schoolies Week?

    yes, toolies

  81. Leigh Lowe

    Is there a term for the lechers that hang around during Schoolies Week?

    Toolies … the 25-30 year old tradies who show up the Schoolies hoping to root an 18 year old.

  82. Is there a term for the lechers that hang around during Schoolies Week?

    Yeah, a few. Choice depends on whether they’ve got money/drugs/alcohol or not.

  83. Oh come on

    Toolies, eggster. And Stevie is nothing if not a tool.

  84. John Comnenus

    FMD if I met a toolie I’d be reaching for my gunnie,

  85. Rae

    Ovation of the Seas is in town. Where’s Lizzie with her report?

    Unless she’s laid low with the collywobbles.

    I was concerned when she wrote, back on 9 December, that she was eating seafood chowder in a Dunedin café. I hope that was not the cause of something that prevented her reporting on her cruise progress.

    One of our primary rules is to never consume any onshore food or drink that is not supplied as part of a paid tour organized by the cruise line. It has a vested interest in keeping its cruising passengers well, whereas cafes and other food outlets onshore do not.

  86. Siltstone

    The mothers that go off on their own week of fun are called moolies

  87. Oh come on

    Interesting as Stevie at the Pub was big-noting himself as going on sad desperate loser cruises as if a willingness to shag anything with a pulse (or not) made him some kind of uber-stud that everyone else would…well,y’know. Women want him, men want to be him. But didn’t work out that way. I think he was a bit perplexed when the grown-ups indicated that they weren’t especially impressed by his half-witted bravado. Back to the drawing board, Stevie. Don’t worry, I’m sure one day you’ll learn how to impress those of your age and older with your stories.

  88. Mark A

    Rae
    #2586965, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    Baldrick to you!

  89. egg_

    I smell the green-eyed monster.

    A Grigoryesque underestimation of God knows how many commenters and lurkers here. How do you know there aren’t those here with all manner of good looks and life experience?
    It still doesn’t justify pursuing women young enough to be ones daughter, for example.
    A couple of pages were recently dedicated to same when Marcus was discussing “look but don’t touch” when flattered by the attention of younger women, that some of us are blessed with more than others.

  90. zyconoclast

    From The Australian via Bolt.

    Migration surges pushes population to 24.6 million

    Australia has experienced its ­largest increase in net migration in several years, with 245,400 people entering the country over the 12 months to July, pushing the population to 24.6 million.

    The last time net migration eclipsed 246,000 entrants was in the 12 months to December in 2009, with Australian Bureau of Statistics figures yesterday showing that NSW and Victoria had also recorded their highest levels of net overseas migration.

    The natural population increase over the same period, ­accounting for births and deaths, was 142,600 — a decrease of 7.5 per cent when compared with the increase over the year to July 2016.

    The figures show net migration continuing to do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to driving population, recording a 63.2 per cent contribution to growth ­compared with 36.8 per cent for natural increase.

    The 245,400 net arrivals in the 12 months to July is an increase of 27 per cent from the previous year, with migration flows increasing in NSW by 31 per cent and in ­Victorian by 23 per cent.

    The ABS Demography director Beidar Cho yesterday said the increases showed both states beating their previous records for net overseas migration set in 2008-09.

    The ABS figures show a marked increase in net overseas migration arrivals, with the numbers increasing by 11.5 per cent or 56,900 people between July 2016 and July 2017 to reach 552,900 ­arrivals. Over the same period, migration departures rose 1.5 per cent to 307,500. The figures also showed Australia’s total population grew by 388,100 people, or 1.6 per cent, to reach 24.6 million by the end of June this year.

    Victoria was confirmed as the fastest growing state or territory, with a population increase of 2.3 per cent, followed by the ACT, which recorded a population growth rate of 1.7 per cent.

    The ABS figures show the population increase in Victoria of 144,357 in the 12 months to July outpaced that of NSW, which rose by 121,794. Queensland’s population expanded by 79,580 and Western Australia’s by 21,403.

    Melbourne University’s Peter McDonald said the spike in net migration might reflect labour ­demand. “Migration stays up while labour demand is high. And the labour demand is there in ­Sydney and Melbourne. At the moment, there’s big infrastructure investment in those ­cities,” he told The Australian.

    Professor McDonald said about 80 per cent of the increase in employment in the five year period between 2011-16 was driven by migrants. “A very high proportion of the growth in employment was coming from migrants … There’s very little possibility for growth from the native population to fill the employment demand.”

  91. Delta A

    One of our primary rules is to never consume any onshore food or drink that is not supplied as part of a paid tour organized by the cruise line.

    Anything consumed in a Dunedin, NZ, cafe would far more sanitary, savoury and safer than anything found aboard the Ecoli of the Seas.

    It has a vested interest in keeping its cruising passengers well

    Which is why it has a substantial on-board morgue.

  92. when flattered by the attention of younger women . . .

    I know that feeling well. I am forever being flattered by the attention of younger women. There’s Mrs MV, who usually wants something fixed; daughter in law, who wants to borrow my car coz her air conditioning doesn’t work; and granddaughter, who knows Papa’s wallet is the most likely source for emergency cash transfusions.

  93. mizaris

    We’ve cruised extensively, ocean and river, and never fallen ill with any stomach problems. We rarely eat when we’re not onboard, unless it is a meal as part of a tour. And we are almost RELIGIOUS about handwashing. So far so good. But we’ve met many many people who’ve had much less pleasant experiences than we have.

    I also wipe down handles and surfaces with Viraclean impregnated wipes as soon as we board, then again every few days. I know it sounds a bit anal, but if it keeps us well so we can enjoy our expensive trip, then it’s worth it.

  94. zyconoclast

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/

    The $4,000,000,000.00 compo scheme where the bloke behind the counter decides there’s a “reasonable likelihood” you deserve the money

    On 26 October this year the Government of Turnbull quietly slipped a bill into the House of Representatives to establish a $4,000,000,000.00 compensation scheme for persons for whom “there was a reasonable likelihood the person suffered institutional sexual abuse as a child”.

    That’s the test – is there a reasonable likelihood the person suffered institutional sexual abuse as a child?

    This extract is from the Explanatory Memorandum to the Bill circulated by Minister for Social Services, the Hon Christian Porter MP

    Eligibility for redress
    Eligibility for redress will be assessed on whether there was a reasonable likelihood the person suffered institutional sexual abuse as a child. A claim can be made at any time from commencement of the Scheme until 12 months before the closing date of the Scheme, which is 30 June 2028. However, applications for redress under the Scheme are limited to one application per survivor, whether or not that person suffered sexual abuse in more than one institution. Survivors will be able to include multiple episodes of sexual abuse and related non-sexual abuse suffered in multiple institutions in the one application.

    Payments range from $10,000 to $150,000
    Redress consists of three elements: a redress payment of up to $150,000, (minimum payment $10,000) access to counselling and psychological services and a direct personal response. Survivors will be able to choose whether to accept one, two or all three of the components of redress. The amount of the redress payment will depend on the level of sexual abuse and related non-sexual abuse that a survivor suffered and will be an amount up to a maximum of $150,000. The intention of this payment is to recognise the wrong the person has suffered. Survivors who have accessed redress under another scheme or received compensation through a settlement or by judgment of a court will not be excluded from applying for redress under the Scheme. However, any prior payments made by a participating institution in relation to the abuse suffered by a survivor that is within the scope of this Scheme, will be deducted from the amount payable by that participating institution.

    …bureaucrats will decide who gets the loot – decisions not subject to review by courts – no rules of evidence
    Internal review Reviews of decisions made under the Scheme are limited to internal review. This follows the recommendation of the Independent Advisory Council on redress, appointed by the Prime Minister, which included survivors of institutional abuse, representatives from support organisations, legal and psychological experts, Indigenous and disability experts, institutional interest groups and those with a background in government.

    The Independent Advisory Council considered that providing survivors with external review would be overly legalistic, time consuming, expensive and would risk further harm to survivors. The internal review processes will enable applicants to seek review of determinations on applications for redress. The person conducting the review must have had no involvement in the original decision and may affirm, vary or substitute the original decision.

    Merits review in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal or judicial review in the Federal Circuit Court or Federal Court under the ADJR Act will not be available to survivors or participating institutions. This is considered appropriate as redress is not intended to replicate civil litigation standards or processes. The Scheme is intended to be an alternative to civil litigation that avoids the risk of further harm to survivors. The lower evidentiary thresholds under the Scheme and the broad discretion of the decision-makers mean that merits review and judicial review under the ADJR Act are not appropriate for decisions under the Scheme. The Scheme is to be supportive, survivor-focussed and non-legalistic and decisions will be made expeditiously. Participating institutions will also not have the right to seek a merits or judicial review under the ADJR Act of any decisions made under the Scheme. This is because institutions participate in the Scheme voluntarily and opt-in to the Scheme with the understanding that certain matters will be decided by the Operator (or delegate).

    So there you have it.

    A Government of Turnbull scheme
    Designed to make grants of $4,000,000,000.00
    Grant recipients face a “reasonable likelihood” test
    Grants range from $10K to $150K
    Bureaucrats will decide who gets the money – and bureaucrats will review their own decisions
    What could possibly go wrong?

  95. mizaris

    Having said all the above, when my husband contracted pneumonia in Kotor, the ship’s doctor, nursing staff and the ship hospital, were magnificent. Well worth having insurance for.

  96. C.L.

    If you missed it earlier, here in full is Gerard Henderson’s splendid demolition of the disgraceful Royal Commission and its appalling lies.

  97. Rae

    Anything consumed in a Dunedin, NZ, cafe would far more sanitary, savoury and safer than anything found aboard the Ecoli of the Seas.

    Sweetheart, from what you said earlier tonight, you wouldn’t know.

    It has a vested interest in keeping its cruising passengers well

    Which is why it has a substantial on-board morgue.

    All cruise ships have the capacity to temporarily store the remains of passengers who might die during a cruise.

    You really don’t have anything of value to contribute here do you?

  98. Vic in Prossy

    Ah well, I suppose they’ve just got to stuff up
    the Carols in the Domain.

  99. candy

    ‘We’ll respect Kristina Keneally in the Senate’: PM

    He means, Kristina Keneally is a stupid grasping woman who he personally beat in the by-election who does not deserve respect, despite 45% of folk voting for her. He’s being elitist in that particular Malcolm Turnbull manner. On well, that’s politics. I guess.

  100. egg_

    when flattered by the attention of younger women . . .

    IIRC the term is a “Dad I’d Do” (DIDO) – but, if you fancy yourself as one, you’re probably a lech.

  101. pete m

    Cruise ship holiday:

    positives:

    unpack once
    few transport issues – getting on off boat usually easy compared to airports / taxi dramas etc.
    see islands / places you may not have time to fly to
    food is generally of very high quality
    kids clubs
    on board duty free
    special cruises like Disney and xmas for kids is far better than a theme park

    negatives

    any longer than 7 days and you get a bit stir crazy, despite 4 land days!
    some trips are lumpy / bumpy
    some people panic when nearing end of cruise and no more buffets, almost knocking people over in desperation
    limit to how many books you can take / enjoy
    expensive drinks packages
    shore excursions not booked on board can be dicey – lots of taking advantage of folks by locals

    We’ve now been on 2 cruises – Disney and RC. Disney killed it with a lovely 7 night xmas time carribean flat ocean holiday – great food etc. Was really magic.

    RC tried hard but not same quality of staff / service / food / atmosphere. Also only did shows at night and too late for kids mostly / clashed with dinner.

    With kids you can’t take them walking around cities / sites they wont enjoy, so a cruise with kids club plus some interesting experiences for them makes it so easy.

    Best thing – unpack once.

  102. egg_

    ‘We’ll respect Kristina Keneally in the Senate’: PM

    Spends the whole Bennelong campaign highlighting her links to Obeid but now will treat her with “respect”.

    What a fucking idiot.

    The goose must think he owns a football team?

  103. Oh come on

    And we are almost RELIGIOUS about handwashing. So far so good. But we’ve met many many people who’ve had much less pleasant experiences than we have.

    I also wipe down handles and surfaces with Viraclean impregnated wipes as soon as we board, then again every few days. I know it sounds a bit anal, but if it keeps us well so we can enjoy our expensive trip, then it’s worth it.

    So, you have to pay through the nose to behave like you’re visiting an alien planet? Bizarre.

  104. Pedro the Ignorant

    Good Lord.
    Do people actually part with their hard earned cash to go aboard cruise ships and then;

    a. religiously sanitise every surface they come in contact with on the ship,

    b. refuse to eat any food ashore that has not been prepared by ship’s caterers?

    This must be a pisstake. Howard Hughes would have been considered a filthy disease ridden animal compared to these weirdos.

  105. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Toolies … the 25-30 year old tradies who show up the Schoolies hoping to root an 18 year old.

    Perth coppers announced grimly one year that, of nine (IIRC) cases of rape that had been reported at that years schoolies, all had been investigated, and found to be consensual sex, including one young lady, who had all her friends standing round, recording the encounter on their phones….they also announced, grimly, that all the “drink spiking” cases they had investigated, were simply schoolies that had drunk too much, and they really had better things to do..

  106. Eyrie

    Regarding cruise ships: who was it said “don’t go to sea if you can possibly contrive going to jail instead”

  107. Siltstone

    zyconoclast
    #2586979, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:39 pm
    A Government of Turnbull scheme
    Designed to make grants of $4,000,000,000.00
    Grant recipients face a “reasonable likelihood” test
    Grants range from $10K to $150K
    Bureaucrats will decide who gets the money – and bureaucrats will review their own decisions
    What could possibly go wrong?

    If every person attracted to the trough of free money received $100,000 on average, no questions asked, then that’s 40,000 snouts in that particular trough. Turnbull and Brandis “Its just taxpayers money, plenty more where that came from”.

  108. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Regarding cruise ships: who was it said “don’t go to sea if you can possibly contrive going to jail instead”

    Doctor Boswell, IIRC.

  109. Top Ender

    Regarding the cruise we did in August, we received a notice attached to one of the suitcases that “alcohol may be inside this bag. Kindly take it to the Purser’s office where it will be stored for the duration of the cruise.”

    It was and we didn’t.

    The most expensive drinks package was $90 a day. So $900 for a 10 day cruise. And no, drinks were not included with meals.

  110. candy

    Regarding cruise ships: who was it said “don’t go to sea if you can possibly contrive going to jail instead”

    lol. I’ve no interest in cruises. I really hate to be cooped up.

  111. Perth coppers announced grimly one year that ……. all the “drink spiking” cases they had investigated… …had drunk too much, and they really had better things to do..

    Quite some years ago now, drink spiking cases at a major Perth hospital were the subject of a written report.
    I forget who wrote it, or much else about it. It can be summarised as something like: “Of Eleventy Eleven cases of females presenting with suspected ‘drink spiking’ it was determined that with the exception of a half-dozen ‘possibles’ all cases were nothing more than ‘blind drunk and did something I regret’.”

  112. What is a “Drinks package”? (From the context it doesn’t seem a parcel full of liquor, like you can put under your arm & away you runs).

  113. Nick

    I was concerned when she wrote, back on 9 December, that she was eating seafood chowder in a Dunedin café. I hope that was not the cause of something that prevented her reporting on her cruise progress.

    LMAO. The dirty hellhole that is…… New Zealand!!!!! Hilarious.
    Such daring ‘cruisers’.

  114. A lot of anal retentive holiday health hygiene tips today. Bottom line – if you are going to go visit exotic overseas locations and not eat the local tucker, you may as well stay at home and get take-away.

    It’s the water, folks. Don’t drink the water. Don’t eat anything unless you see it come out of the wok/pan sizzling, and only consume sealed, bottled water. This includes for cleaning teeth etc.

  115. Arky

    You carnts can say what you like about licorice allsorts and vodka cruisers. You can even beat up the publican.
    But I will be damned if I stand here and listen to you badmouth Delta.
    Have some respect.
    The woman is 120.
    She could be any of our Great great great grandmothers.

  116. Oh come on

    She’s a shitbox. She should be sent to the bottom along with anyone who admires her.

    Honestly, a torpedo is too good to waste on such a disgusting floating gin palace.

  117. Bron

    On the matter of cruise ships, I agree with Max.

  118. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    lol. I’ve no interest in cruises. I really hate to be cooped up.

    The Memsahib is claustrophobic – we’ve done a couple of river cruises in Europe – the cabin has a balcony, and there are usually daily excursions.

  119. OneWorldGovernment

    Hopefully fuck head dylan will go through Moama

  120. rickw

    Professor McDonald said about 80 per cent of the increase in employment in the five year period between 2011-16 was driven by migrants. “A very high proportion of the growth in employment was coming from migrants … There’s very little possibility for growth from the native population to fill the employment demand.”

    The native population can therefore be ignored and in the near future hopefully eliminated.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good Lord.
    Do people actually part with their hard earned cash to go aboard cruise ships and then;

    a. religiously sanitise every surface they come in contact with on the ship,

    If the alternative is getting around with the cheeks of your bum clenched together, trying desperately not to fart, some precautions are wise.

  122. Leigh Lowe
    #2586960, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:23 pm
    Is there a term for the lechers that hang around during Schoolies Week?

    Toolies … the 25-30 year old tradies who show up the Schoolies hoping to root an 18 year old.

    Unfair to tradies.
    Here is the correct derivation.
    Too Old For Schoolies. Often young men just two-3 years older than the school leavers. Desparates the lot of them.

  123. John Constantine

    Drink spiking is most simply done with somebody, like a senior labor figure, being socially inept and hanging around the bar.

    Simply pouring double shots in the girls drinks to get them legless.

    There was a confused gay lad in town that drink spiked young girls like this and then delivered them to older men’s houses to get his daddy complex stroked.

    He also spiked older men’s drinks with vodka, so he could fuss over them, undress them and put them to bed and kiss them goodnight.

    His father prevailed upon the local priest to write a glowing character reference so the lad could get a working with children clearance.

    That didn’t last long.

  124. zyconoclast

    It’s the water, folks. Don’t drink the water. Don’t eat anything unless you see it come out of the wok/pan sizzling, and only consume sealed, bottled water. This includes for cleaning teeth etc.

    Beer from an opened in front of me bottle is even better

  125. OneWorldGovernment

    I’ve got the original clip but it’s contained in this.

  126. entropy

    zyconoclast
    #2586871, posted on December 17, 2017 at 8:00 pm
    White! Christmas!

    The Hallmark Channel’s 21-movie fusillade in the War on Christmas is a ratings sensation. I’m watching it all to find out why.

    They brim with white heterosexuals who exclusively, emphatically, and endlessly bellow, “Merry Christmas.”

    Gees, it isn’t Hallmark that has a Trump problem, it is the damaged individual writing that article.

  127. zyconoclast

    It’s the water, folks. Don’t drink the water. Don’t eat anything unless you see it come out of the wok/pan sizzling, and only consume sealed, bottled water. This includes for cleaning teeth etc.

    It was from Slate.com
    They also have a “celibate” p3do on the staff.

  128. Beer from an opened in front of me bottle is even better

    True. And you can use it to clean your teeth too.

  129. JC

    LOL

    Oh come on
    #2586967, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    Interesting as Stevie at the Pub was big-noting himself as going on sad desperate loser cruises as if a willingness to shag anything with a pulse (or not) made him some kind of uber-stud that everyone else would…well,y’know. Women want him, men want to be him. But didn’t work out that way. I think he was a bit perplexed when the grown-ups indicated that they weren’t especially impressed by his half-witted bravado. Back to the drawing board, Stevie. Don’t worry, I’m sure one day you’ll learn how to impress those of your age and older with your stories.

    Ser ena and gargooley should do cruise together.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Too Old For Schoolies. Often young men just two-3 years older than the school leavers. Desparates the lot of them.

    Ex – copper , of my acquaintance, confirms the definition.

  131. Oh come on

    Witches met outside Trump Tower to cast a ‘binding spell’ on President Trump

    This isn’t the first time “witches” have cast “spell[s]” on Trump. It died in the arse last time, and every time. You have to ask yourself – what is wrong with these practitioners of this embarrassingly juvenile paganism when they discover their ‘spells’ are immensely less effective than a small pile of shit? (After all, a small pile of shit can clear a room.) Their weird practices result in nothing. It’s really quite strange.

  132. Oh come on

    Ser ena and gargooley should do cruise together.

    A few drinks and anything gross…I mean goes.

  133. JC

    You have to ask yourself – what is wrong with these practitioners of this embarrassingly juvenile paganism when they discover their ‘spells’ are immensely less effective than a small pile of shit? (After all, a small pile of shit can clear a room.) Their weird practices result in nothing. It’s really quite strange.

    You don’t want to mess around with that stuff. I once had Nigerian emailer, whom I told to fuck right off and go root his mother, saying he was going to cast a spell on me. I apologized… possibly the first time in my life. 🙂

    I know, but fucking hell !

  134. JC

    A few drinks and anything gross…I mean goes.

    Could you imagine both of them hanging around a the bar looking crestfallen wondering why they’re not talking to sheilas.

  135. Top Ender

    A “drinks package” on a cruise liner is an agreed alcohol deal you sign up for.

    You produce your ID card they give you on boarding and the waiter/batman swipes it. Typical packages are unlimited beer; unlimited wine; just spirits; or anything you want in as much quantity as you want.

    “Responsible Service of Alcohol” doesn’t seem to apply at sea.

  136. Steve trickler.

    I saw this bloke under His Majesty’s Theatre in Perth.



    If you pay close attention, you’ll figure out what is going on.

  137. Token

    On 26 October this year the Government of Turnbull quietly slipped a bill into the House of Representatives to establish a $4,000,000,000.00 compensation scheme for persons for whom “there was a reasonable likelihood the person…

    If the High Court does its job they’ll need another big pot for compensation for all the coming flagrant abuses of religious liberty.

  138. Candy

    Newspoll still 53\47 to Labor. I really thought SSM would budge it.

  139. Oh come on

    Could you imagine both of them hanging around a the bar looking crestfallen wondering why they’re not talking to sheilas.

    I reckon they’d put their heads together and find a way to end the evening to their mutual satisfaction.

  140. Oh come on

    What happens on Fairstar the Funship stays on Fairstar the Funship, right, Stevie?

  141. OneWorldGovernment

    Token
    #2587043, posted on December 17, 2017 at 11:12 pm

    On 26 October this year the Government of Turnbull quietly slipped a bill into the House of Representatives to establish a $4,000,000,000.00 compensation scheme for persons for whom “there was a reasonable likelihood the person…

    If the High Court does its job they’ll need another big pot for compensation for all the coming flagrant abuses of religious liberty.

    Token

    When the principal cities of Australia are just smouldering ruins and Canberra is a nuclear bomb site who will give a shit about some mythical ‘High Court’.

    Arm yourself with guns.

    Now.

  142. Oh come on

    So Chris Matthews is going down. I wonder when the left is going to start backpedalling on this – friendly fire is taking out a great many leftist soldiers. And this is only the start.

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Back in Sydney, and already partied out. We’ve just returned from a Christmas musical gathering, with plenty of carousing guests, thoughtful food and wine, and song of the caroling sort, accompanied Celtic strains of harp, harmonica and accordion. Old friends and new, we all sang and made merry in a rather unique house as dusk descended over a Sydney beach. A fitting conclusion to the day, which began with the Ovation of the Seas, that awkward Leviathan of the deep, sliding into Sydney’s harbor with the breaking dawn as the mist rose in smoky trails from the oil-still waters and I hung over the balcony riding eleven stories high up on the noiseless glide of it. Alone, I owned it all in a thousand memories, the city issuing its own sweat, a Sydney morning in December, airless, immobile, shrouding the contours of its built form in a dense humidity.

    Part One – an Ovation or not?

    Bogan of the Seas: Yes and No. With four thousand people on board of course there is an element of guests who are loud in dress and manner, operating at full declamation, and clearly out for a good time. The ship is big enough to let them enjoy themselves without bothering others, so I’m glad they are having the convivial fun they are paying for with their hard-earned money, young and old alike. There is also a noticeable contingent of the hugely fat, tucking into the constant availability of carbohydrate-laden food, as, to be fair, there have been on some other ‘mass’ cruises we have taken. On this ship, there is entertainment in spades and food available 24/7 for the taking, and take it some do.

    The ‘Ovation’ attracts possibly more of what are disparaged as the above types of ‘bogan’ because, due to economies of scale, there is so much more of everything available. To watch the very large maintaining their current amplitude or even adding to it is a regular sight in certain of the many buffet-style venues, and a telling comment on Australian lifestyles, but not a vision generally seen in the allocated dining areas, where tablecloths, good manners and silver service prevail. My impression is that the majority of the passengers are very nice people, who come from a very broad demographic. There are many ordinary families of working people having a holiday with the kids, plenty of couples, and occupations vary from shopworkers and tradies to surgeons and academics (we’ve met these, and all inbetween), with many self-employed small business people also having a quick break from it all. I really like the complete mix of young singles, families with primary schoolers and teens, couples young and older, and the ‘internationals’, the majority of whom come from China. Unlike on the Queen Mary, there are very few ‘frail aged’. There are more Australians than any other nationality.

    Economies of Scale: This ship carries over four thousand passengers and has much to attract its wide demographic. For younger children the Kids Club is such fun that no child ever wants to be picked up from it, begging to stay; the teens aged 14-17 have their own fun group where they do karaoke and, when allowed, they’re into the range of fun pursuits also used by the 18+ crowd, such as air hockey, table tennis, deck coits, rock wall climbing, artificial surf riding (real water), basketball, air gliding in a Perspex tank of blown-upwards wind, dodgem cars, disco nites, video games and endless water activities in pools and playgrounds. Extended families like ours are all having fun and I thoroughly recommend the voyage for families and those attached to rellies of similar ilk to mine. When docked in Wellington, we went up in the North Star, a sort of enclosed gondola on a hydraulic lever that goes up hundreds of feet from the deck to give a panoramic view. Another ‘special’ of this ship.

    Fun and Games: I became part of the Lady Ga Ga dance troupe, learning over three sessions a small routine which was not too hard, and getting dragged into the Michael Jackson Thriller one too, where the zombie moves were new to me. Using these moves, Hairy and I also cut a rug quite energetically in the Music Hall, with its upstairs balcony lined with seated obesity, nodding Bhuddas looking down on the ‘Australian Beatles’ performing in costumed wigs and Sgt. Pepper outfits. Hairy got things going dragging me first onto the floor with his own brand of inebriated Ape Dancing, with me doing Ga Ga and Thriller moves as we acted out early Beatles songs in moves that elicited audience applause. Others then joined in, and the place was hopping. We showed similar gusto at the 70’s Dance Party in one of the two the very big auditoriums, where the hundreds seated and those on the dance floor were encouraged in sing-a-long clapping and arm waving by an enthusiastic and very amusing MC. It was all very silly which made it more fun for everyone. Additional entertainment was provided by the Big Music Quiz (teaming up with others), other trivia contests of the usual type found on cruises, and the Great Showgirl Dance Show with spectacular headdresses and some excellent synchronized choreography. Hitting the bigtime. Plus there is a largish casino where the mainland Chinese were high-rolling in Blackjack; great to watch.

    Life in the Lifts: This is where you get to see the full range of your fellow passengers. Couture is largely casual, sometimes astonishingly so, with the young girls in particular really showing off. Overall, people were really taking the opportunity to put on their best style, Bogan Boutique well on display, as well as a lot of more sober styling. Some excellent style was also shown by the Chinese contingent, whose designer bags and diamonds are not fake ones; the Cartier shop is there for a reason, making good sales.

    Children are plentiful and can be a pain in the lifts when they press all the buttons for all sixteen floors. One woman tells us she is a teacher (lots of them on board) and she’d have their arses (her very words) if she caught them at it. Next to me at one time is a larrikin middle-aged man who presses every button deliberately, grinning broadly, and everyone groans. I raise my eyebrows at the two women he is with and they joke apologetically that he is family and that there’s no telling him anything. He’s grinning on the other side of his face though when I say loudly and sympathetically to them and the lift full of adults that that it’s really tough travelling with children, isn’t it? The lift erupts into laughter, including his rellies, and he escapes chastened at the next stop.

    The lift lobbies are also the place for small chats while waiting. Here as everywhere the atmosphere is invariably friendly there. The lifts are also conveyors of news. When the Captain changed course on us, missing the Sounds which many had chosen the cruise to see, the lifts were abuzz with it all. They are like mini-malls, whereas the main centre of the ship, the Royal Arcade, is like being in the middle of Westfields Bondi Junction – all glitz and glitter, high end and lower end shops and a constant swirl and throng of people. It is here that one begins to feel that, despite the extremely competent organization and crowd management, the ship is too big, the ambience too large, and that this must be only ever be a one-off cruising experience, something which other guests have said to us as well. We won’t be doin’ dis again, says Hairy, appalled by the crush and flow of it all, and the hectic ‘sales’ that are declared almost daily from trestle tables set up with cheap goods. Managing such a complex operation, including getting people on and off for tours, is an impressive feat, but tough on the passengers. We are reduced to sheeple.

    Wining and Dining: The food in the allocated restaurants is very adequate, occasionally even very good, given the numbers of meals that must be pre-prepared, while the pay dining is better for a genuinely culinary experience. We are seated at a table for six, deliberately choosing the 8.15pm timeslot, but are the only two who turn up. Many people eat earlier, and there are also ‘pay’ restaurants, which are popular. On our second night, another table has a single woman eating alone and when I smile at her our Chinese waitress, a charmingly nervous girl whom Hairy thrills with his knowledge of her home near Dalian, brings us a request from the single lady asking if she may join us.

    We agree; enter Natalia, who is blonde, elegant, slim but busty, sophisticated, and very Russian. As with the waitress, Hairy thrills her too, this time with his smattering of Russian and knowledge of Moscow. We three get on famously in a mix of fractured English, French and Russian. She has just visited her son who works in IT in Melbourne. Her husband, an oil ‘big man’, has paid for her to do this cruise (to see fjords; bad luck there) before she takes the Emirates Business Class flight home to Moscow from Sydney. We tell her it is the one we also took, and that it was full of drunk Russians after Dubai. She gives us her little signature Russian laugh, a soft half-ironic heh-heh-heh titter, her head lowered in self-deprecation as she considers her own amusement. She tells us her husband hates to travel, loves Vodka, loves cigarettes (she does puff-puff imitations for us to reinforce the point while pulling a disapproving face), and is a clever man who reads a lot; but she is bored. Natalia says call me Natasha, the diminutive.

    After dinner, she joins us regularly in the Piano Bar, a civilized place where there is a good classical pianist and an appreciative crowd. Then, for a few days, we don’t see her, and are ourselves also trying out ‘pay’ restaurants at other times. We catch up with her waiting to join tours she has booked in Wellington and Picton. She is with a man, a pony-tailed Argentinian of fierce mien in later middle age, also travelling alone, who is now a friend, just a friend, she assures us. They are also trying out other ‘pay’ restaurants. She rejoins us for dining after Picton, and while we discuss our respective tours, she informs that her ‘friend’ has been given the axe; he was, she tells us, being too much bother, too tiring, and we suspect he was putting the hard word on her. She, however, has taken a fancy to Hairy. You so lucky, she tells me. He so good man. He make laugh. He luff you. He no vodka, no cigarette (puff-puff demonstration again). I point out that he is devouring much wine and many cans of beer. That no vodka, she insists, approvingly. She invites us to Moscow, where they have an apartment, and to her Dacha (pronounced Datcha) where she spends her summers, and also to Montenegro where they have a holiday home. Hairy invites her to dance and she jumps at the chance. You don’t mind? She asks me. My pleasure, I say.

    Son et Lumiere: The theatrical entertainments are grand and spectacular (and perfectly awful if you have any musical or dramatic sensibilities), using the latest in high tech laser and scenic technologies, very loud and full of schmaltz but well appreciated by most of the attendees. In terms of production values, they are way ahead of what other cruise ships can provide, although the result is stunningly banal. I want to leave five minutes after we make our way into the ‘Dreamland’ drama, in spite of some of the dancers being quite good, but Hairy demurs. He is hating it, but embarrassed to move dat family out of da way again as we exit the middle of the row, having entered late with stumbling inconvenience to them. He tells me later that he had also just had a ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’ moment with the woman on the other side of us, and felt it best to create no further trouble. He’d been reaching for his empty beer can which had rolled under the seat, and in the dark realized he’d been feeling around the leg of an African-American woman sitting next to him whom he feared might misinterpret his intentions. Mere micro-aggression, or actual physical touching? I enquire. No touching, he says with relief. He’d stopped just in time; an inch short of an harassment claim.

    Part Two (to come): Wit and Wundy Tours –
    Featuring Lezzo Albatross, Lairds in Fake Castles, Jacinta’s failed honeymoon.

  144. Oh come on

    When the principal cities of Australia are just smouldering ruins and Canberra is a nuclear bomb site who will give a shit about some mythical ‘High Court’.

    Arm yourself with guns.

    Now.

    Well, that was weird.

  145. Oh come on

    Great stuff, Lizzie. Really good reading.

  146. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2587053, posted on December 17, 2017 at 11:37 pm

    Well, that was weird.

    What is infinetly weird is to stop coal fired electricity.

  147. Oh come on

    Um yeah thanks for the tip.

  148. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Drinking good Scotch, and watching the DVD of “Medici – Masters of Florence,”

    “People fear Kings. Kings fear Popes. Popes fear the Medici.”

    Well said. I’d have feared the Borgia popes, given their penchant for bumping off any rivals..

  149. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2587056, posted on December 17, 2017 at 11:49 pm

    Um yeah thanks for the tip.

    Do you live in a city?

  150. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Responsible Service of Alcohol” doesn’t seem to apply at sea.

    I’ve seen a drunken Australian, who had his supply turned off by the barman, and who was objecting, advised by fellow passengers, that the ship’s captain had the power to have him hanged at the yardarm……

  151. Bron

    Good to have you back, Lizzie.

  152. Oh come on

    No, I live on Planet Zorg, OWG.

  153. OneWorldGovernment

    Oh come on
    #2587061, posted on December 17, 2017 at 11:59 pm

    No, I live on Planet Zorg, OWG.

    Then I dismiss everything you say you zorgface.

  154. twostix

    Professor McDonald said about 80 per cent of the increase in employment in the five year period between 2011-16 was driven by migrants. “A very high proportion of the growth in employment was coming from migrants … There’s very little possibility for growth from the native population to fill the employment demand.”

    Bugmen hiring rootless nationless mercenaries to service urban bugmen doing fake jobs servicing other bugmen.

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Zulu, I bought two tea-towels from a winery near Picton (top of south island), as well as some wine. The winery is situated in a valley where there is a major satellite tracking station, listening in worldwide to internet traffic etc. The winery thus calls itself Spy Valley. One tea towel has the Morse code alphabet on it, and the other has the A-Z call signals. Zulu, Kilo and Alpha are all there of course. 🙂

  156. Viva

    The dirty hellhole that is…… New Zealand!!!!!

    When my husband first arrived there, he found the smell of mutton wafting from restaurants unbearable.

  157. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “People fear Kings. Kings fear Popes. Popes fear the Medici.”

    And Thomas Cromwell rises to power in England, reforming the Church, an early modern man.

    Heroditus, I am so much enjoying Hillary Martel’s ‘Wolf Hall’. I should have read it long ago, when you first recommended it. I need to read up more on Cromwell’s origins and early life to assess its historicity, but hell on wheels, it is a great story and a tremendously insightful novel, powerfully evoked. 10/10 so far. About two thirds through it, inbetween being Lady Ga Ga etc. 🙂

    Now. I must go to bed. So many ideas in my head competing for attention.

  158. twostix

    80% of these “jobs” are nationless mercenaries selling kebabs, etc to other immigrants. This “growth” only exists to serve immigration itself.

    Whatever keeps the real estate prices flying.

    It’s just that in exchange for that one must simply forget that once upon a time the Australian everyman did in fact live inside the city limits in his country, not 40km’s outside of.

  159. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The winery thus calls itself Spy Valley. One tea towel has the Morse code alphabet on it, and the other has the A-Z call signals. Zulu, Kilo and Alpha are all there of course.

    My compliments, and thank you, Lizzie B.

    We were dining one night in Perth, and the wine list offered New Zealand wines. I remarked that I didn’t know New Zealand produced drinkable wine – the wine waitress was from Hawkes Bay, and I had my exercises corrected properly, didn’t I..

  160. twostix

    It’s quite interesting though how the urban insect class is creating a ring buffer around itself, creating suburb size barriers of third world peasant no-mans land between it and the increasingly distant Australian everyman.

    We see what you’re doing.

  161. Top Ender

    Lizzie, thanks for the report on Ovation.

  162. 80% of these “jobs” are nationless mercenaries selling kebabs, etc to other immigrants. This “growth” only exists to serve immigration itself.

    Aww come on, twostix. Credit where credit is due.
    Somebody has to keep the chop shops working.

  163. Steve trickler.

    Master manipulator.



  164. Makka

    Australia has experienced its ­largest increase in net migration in several years, with 245,400 people entering the country over the 12 months to July, pushing the population to 24.6 million

    Fking disgraceful. Traitorous swine selling us out.

  165. zyconoclast

    It’s just that in exchange for that one must simply forget that once upon a time the Australian everyman did in fact live inside the city limits in his country, not 40km’s outside of.

    More important than the actual distance is the time and dollars. It can take 45 minutes to travel 7km in Sydney peak hour. Somepeople are paying more than $100/week in road tolls.

    I posted this French take on displacement by immigrants earlier this year.

    The laid-off, the less educated, the mistrained—all must rebuild their lives in what Guilluy calls (in the title of his second book) La France périphérique. This is the key term in Guilluy’s sociological vocabulary, and much misunderstood in France, so it is worth clarifying: it is neither a synonym for the boondocks nor a measure of distance from the city center. (Most of France’s small cities, in fact, are in la France périphérique.) Rather, the term measures distance from the functioning parts of the global economy. France’s best-performing urban nodes have arguably never been richer or better-stocked with cultural and retail amenities. But too few such places exist to carry a national economy. When France’s was a national economy, its median workers were well compensated and well protected from illness, age, and other vicissitudes. In a knowledge economy, these workers have largely been exiled from the places where the economy still functions. They have been replaced by immigrants.

    The old bourgeoisie hasn’t been supplanted; it has been supplemented by a second bourgeoisie that occupies the previously non-bourgeois housing stock. For every old-economy banker in an inherited high-ceilinged Second Empire apartment off the Champs-Élysées, there is a new-economy television anchor or high-tech patent attorney living in some exorbitantly remodeled mews house in the Marais. A New Yorker might see these two bourgeoisies as analogous to residents of the Upper East and Upper West Sides. They have arrived through different routes, and they might once have held different political opinions, but they don’t now. Guilluy notes that the conservative presidential candidate Alain Juppé, mayor of Bordeaux, and Gérard Collomb, the Socialist running Lyon, pursue identical policies. As Paris has become not just the richest city in France but the richest city in the history of France, its residents have come to describe their politics as “on the left”—a judgment that tomorrow’s historians might dispute. Most often, Parisians mean what Guilluy calls la gauche hashtag, or what we might call the “glass-ceiling Left,” preoccupied with redistribution among, not from, elites: we may have done nothing for the poor, but we did appoint the first disabled lesbian parking commissioner.

  166. Australia has experienced its ­largest increase in net migration in several years, with 245,400 people entering the country over the 12 months to July, pushing the population to 24.6 million

    Damn those Labor traitors.
    If only we had a Liberal government this kind of thing would never happen.
    So remember – vote Liberal coz at least they’re not Labor.

  167. Australia has experienced its ­largest increase in net migration in several years, with 245,400 people entering the country over the 12 months to July, pushing the population to 24.6 million

    So, Tony Abbott stopped the boats resulting in a “reduced” annual migrant intake from 120,000 to 245,400. Does that about sum it up? What a man. What an achievement. Let’s get him back as PM.

  168. Makka

    So, Tony Abbott stopped the boats resulting in a “reduced” annual migrant intake from 120,000 to 245,400. Does that about sum it up? What a man. What an achievement. Let’s get him back as PM.

    No, nett overseas migration rose up after he was betrayed. Stay with the facts.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australias-population-growth-just-hit-the-accelerator-2017-9

  169. Ryan

    It’s to July this year dummy. Nothing to do with TA. Also, Candy was right about JA having dementia.

  170. Oh come on

    You naysayers aren’t thinking of the skyrocketing GDP that’s in store. GDP growth – think about it!

  171. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From zyconoclast at 9:11 pm:

    “Anyone of the bush lawyers on the Cat Help out? Would Kristina Keneally receive a pension as a former Premier of N.S.W, and what would be the status if she got her ar$e into the Senate? Two pensions?

    Bob Carr kept his NSW parliamentary pension and perks even when working for Macquarie and any other job he had.

    His federal superannuation was bugger all by comparison because he was only in for a short time and he joined the Senate after the 2004 changes.”

    Keneally entered the NSW Parliament at the 2003 election and faced two others. Three parliaments sounds about right for a Parliamentary pension. A year and a bit as Premier wouldn’t release the rivers of gold though.

    I found this in the Sydney Morning Herald October 16, 2011:

    “Fatty O’Barrell has stripped Kristina Keneally of her post-leadership entitlements, making her the first ex-premier since Jack Renshaw left office in 1965 to receive no benefits at all. …

    An email leaked to The Sun-Herald reveals Mr O’Farrell has rebuffed a request by Ms Keneally for the occasional use of a state car and driver to attend night-time charity events, which she does regularly.”

    Eddie’s Grrrl’s star has fizzled out a couple of times now however she has demonstrated to head office that she can live quite comfortably in a scruples free zone. She’ll fit in nicely when they can get the timing right.

    The apparent option of a rails run into a Senate slot seems tidy – she won’t threaten Tanya Blubbersack from there and they can train her up as a junior minister on something which suits her talents – Defence perhaps?

  172. Bruce in WA

    So it was perfectly fine to have “O, Jerusalem” as the finale to Carols in the Domain, but if Trump dares use the word …

  173. zyconoclast

    2016–17 Migration Programme Report
    Programme year to 30 June 2017

    Page 3 has a graph of the last 1o years or so.

  174. Token

    … and they can train her up as a junior minister on something which suits her talents – Defence perhaps?

    Why defense?

  175. zyconoclast

    Makka, beat me to it.

  176. Token

    You naysayers aren’t thinking of the skyrocketing GDP that’s in store. GDP growth – think about it!

    I’m sure there is a UN committee populated by the types who make the Mos Eisly bar seem wholesome that will not condemn the lot of us for being wacist. (1 only of course)

  177. Oh come on

    I have no idea what you mean, Tokes. I’m just focusing on GDP. We’ll always have GDP.

  178. zyconoclast

    … and they can train her up as a junior minister on something which suits her talents – Defence perhaps?
    Why defense?

    She could not be any worse than Marise Payne.

    Being a woman almost seems compulsory.

  179. John Comnenus

    Why Defence? Because in the West it’s a female dominated industry – or at least they want it to be one.

  180. islam does accept the separation of church and state, Christianity does. No doubt the Christian reformation made that easy

    This zombie idea just will not die. The ‘Reformation’ did nothing of the sort. Have you not noticed that most if not all of the states that turned Protestant, whether Lutheran, Reformed, what have you, either involved the identification of this or that confession as the state religion, or afforded it privileged status. In other words, the Reformation worsened the confusion of church and state rather than making it more distinguishable or separable.

  181. John Comnenus

    Whilst in a general sense the Reformation did lead to a separation of Church and State, it didn’t do so immediately. In fact, the Reformation was a protest against the Catholic Churches heretical positions of not taking the Bible literally and promoting ideas such as the Heliocentric view of the solar system. The Pope encouraged Copernicus to spread the news of his discovery whilst in the employ of the Pope. But Copernicus knew that the North German literalists would hang him if he did. The protest (Protestantism) was against the liberalism of the Catholic Church, except in England where it was so the King could divorce.

    In each case the new faith simply robbed the old one blind and generally persecuted the more liberal Catholics as the zealots sought to impose a pious austerity. The early Protestants were a bit like ISIS, absolute literalist zealots who despised joy and knowledge. For them everything was in the good book and the good book should be taken literally. But this idiotic austerity couldn’t last given the actual contents of the good book. Eventually the Protestant zealots became so unpopular that they re-discovered Jesus’s admonition to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

    Unfortunately there is no equal levity and joy in the Koran, so the ISIS Reformation won’t lead to a more relaxed form of Islam.

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    Knight wins, hehe!
    Maybe we could trade Dastyari for Mueller.
    Mueller can actually connive a bit.
    Nah, belay that thought. They both deserve to be abandoned on an artificial Chinese island with nothing but a motheaten copy of Das Kapital to entertain themselves with.

  183. nemkat

    Tom
    #2587097, posted on December 18, 2017 at 4:29 am

    Zanetti has KK saying ”I forgot about Obeid and Tripoli.

  184. Mater

    pete m
    #2586988, posted on December 17, 2017 at 9:46 pm
    Cruise ship holiday:
    positives:
    – on board duty free

    negatives:
    – expensive drinks packages

    This seems counterintuitive.

    Top Ender
    #2586998, posted on December 17, 2017 at 10:00 pm
    Regarding the cruise we did in August, we received a notice attached to one of the suitcases that “alcohol may be inside this bag. Kindly take it to the Purser’s office where it will be stored for the duration of the cruise.”

    It sounds like duty free may as well remain at the point of departure.

  185. feelthebern

    Mortgage deduction on new mortgages in the US capped at $US750k.
    CA & NY will be the most impacted.
    Trump realised these states will never vote for him so doesn’t try cosy up to them.

  186. entropy

    Not sure about the heliocentric theory there John, I was always hold Luther didn’t like the intercession bit of the Catholics that allowed the priests to make a bit of dosh at the confessional. Also the Gutenberg press and translation of the bible into langauges other than Latin wasn’t exactly supported by the hierarchy. And the pope had just spent the last thousand years interfering in kings and queens. Because he was in charge.
    Other than that, there certainly were a lot of fun police in Protestant circles. And the thirty years war, while certainly having a religious veneer that was looking to making Lutheran or Catholic the state religion, and in England the CoE formation wasn’t about the separation of church and state, but who got to control it.

    That didn’t happen until the US, founded by puritans no less, took on board the ideas of Locke into its constitution

  187. entropy

    Howeverthe reformation made the idea of the separation of church and State possible was there were competing religions, a situation that was not very common till then, and where they poked up occasionally they were persecuted, a la the waldensees.
    But yes, the first alternatives like lutherans and CoE aimed to supplant the Catholics as the state religion.
    Rising literacy and the printing press is what did in religious control via the state.
    And a new world.

  188. calli

    Now that’s what I call a report, Lizzie. The way some of the guys here talk, you’d think these boats were prison hulks.

    The Knight is a cracker, Tom. Did Zanetti make a typo, or does he know something we don’t?

  189. johanna

    Not all cruises are equal.

    Some friends of mine who are jazz fans went on a very exclusive jazz-themed cruise in the Med. It featured performances, workshops with the artists, lessons, discussion groups etc. I think there were about 100 people on the ship.

    They had a ball, met lots of like minded people, and they reckon the food and wine was superb.

    Cost an absolute motza, though.

  190. calli

    Those Greens are such clever little smugsters. Like Edmund drawing the moustache on the lion.

    Beware drinking the Enchanted Koolaid.

  191. Delta A

    Arky
    #2587005, posted on December 17, 2017 at 10:06 pm
    You carnts can say what you like about licorice allsorts and vodka cruisers. You can even beat up the publican.
    But I will be damned if I stand here and listen to you badmouth Delta.
    Have some respect.
    The woman is 120.
    She could be any of our Great great great grandmothers.

    Ah, my hero. 🙂

    (Just one small error: I’m only 118… tomorrow, in fact. Happy birthday to me.)

  192. egg_

    Professor McDonald said about 80 per cent of the increase in employment in the five year period between 2011-16 was driven by migrants. “A very high proportion of the growth in employment was coming from migrants … There’s very little possibility for growth from the native population to fill the employment demand.”

    That would be growth in the Community Services industry?

  193. egg_

    On sky, laundy just explained that turnbull chose to run the last election their abc way, to coast along without gutter fighting or taking on shorten and do it easy wearing classy suits and speaking with the correct tone.

    This time we will see the real Julia, [ sorry, malcom] he will set his alarm for early in the morning and make do with only a small sieasta in the afternoon and everything.

    We have never been so united behind turnbull.

    Laundy also explained that people that background journalists should always put their names to the leaks.

    The Real Lord Waffleworth?
    LMFAO!

  194. Farmer Gez

    The all powerful Pope is grossly overstated by Protestant history writers.
    Kings all over Europe constantly challenged Papal appointments and on occasion invaded the Papal States to assert their complete temporal authority.

  195. John Comnenus

    Over a third of all new employment (from memory or maybe over 25%) in the last 10 years is in the Health and Social Assistance industry sector. The great bulk of that growth is in the social assistance sector. The NDIS, ageing and no doubt immigration assistance programs will be the largest elements of that growth.

    With an ageing population this will continue. But just because we want more people from the Philippines to help the old and disabled doesn’t mean we need to make them citizens or even permanent residents. Let them come, help, earn and then return to their country of origin. Give them a wage, but not the vote.

  196. herodotus

    There’s also a classical music cruise!

  197. calli

    I typed too soon. This would be a prison ship.

  198. egg_

    I find it pretty shocking there are people on this blog who appear to be upset with the Lib win in Bennelong.

    Tits in power at Christmas, would have given the ALP a short stint in government, got rid of Trumble and hopefully a re-formed LP at the next general election. Which would give the Libs an outside chance of winning the next genreal election. No ALP landslide.
    As it stands the ALP will win the next election with a 2 term margin.

    It will probably take that long to reform the LNP.

  199. John Comnenus

    God spare us Calli

  200. Baldrick

    Have a Greens Christmas?

    “Merry Christmas Nondeminational Seasonal Festivity”

    Leftards, they’re happy to change words they don’t like, but weren’t satisfied with a ‘civil union’. They had to have the word ‘marriage’.

  201. egg_

    The naturalised Nork agent was picked up in Eastwood yesterday. I trust he was able to vote for Kristina first.

    KKK had her Norks out?

  202. Tel

    People will try anything on, won’t they?

    https://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/news/have-yourself-very-nazi-christmas-folk-symbol/3293108/

    The “Fire Cross” is iconic to the god of thunder, light, lightning, power and happiness.

    “This is not a swastika. A swastika is the other way around,” Uldis, a local janitor, told RT.

    Hmmm, other way around huh?? Well here’s a rather iconic historic photo that everyone probably recognizes (I think the colour is fake but the photo is well known) :

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/83/2f/06832fba47f6e647a3ebee0410c2d76e.jpg

    Pretty sure that’s the same way around. Exactly the same way.

  203. notafan

    Where did the dosh at the confessional come from?

    Do you mean indulgences?

    There were abuses but the story is far more complicated than that, in any case the Council of Trent reformed those abuses.

    (There is in fact biblical support for the practice)

    John C is right about the reformers England lost around 85% of it’s art and books, very Mohammedan.

    Most others were the same whitewashing, tossing altars into the sea, the destruction was wholesale.

    And there was much looting of precious objects for personal gain.

    That stuff about biblical translation had been disproved here again and again but out it comes.

    Vernacular Bibles were always available, if there was a written language.

    Luther’s claim to fame was creating a standardized German language but even he, like some ‘translaters’ before him tried to change words in the bible to suit his theology, he also tried to remove entire sections, (gives them much in common with Jehovah’s witnesses and their ‘new world translation) like the epistle of St James

    myths about indulgences

  204. John Comnenus

    I have been wrong on just about everything to do with the ascent of Trumbull but let me make this prognostication – Bill Shorten is so odious Turnbull will win the next election. We saw a hint of how disgusting and dangerous Shorten is over the Dastyari business.

    I previously thought that by the time of the next election everyone will be claiming to be following Trump’s agenda – Shorten with industry protection and Turnbull with tax cuts. Our polices will campaign on parts of the Trump agenda once the US economy rockets next year on the back of tax cuts.

    If only Turnbull would copy Trumps policy agenda.

  205. notafan

    Greens have no difficulty wishing Muslims a happy Eid -ut – fitr though

  206. egg_

    I have been wrong on just about everything to do with the ascent of Trumbull but let me make this prognostication – Bill Shorten is so odious Turnbull will win the next election. We saw a hint of how disgusting and dangerous Shorten is over the Dastyari business.

    No pre-election switch to Plibbers?

  207. calli

    Tel, here it is used the other way round. An interesting history too.

  208. egg_

    The Real Lord Waffleworth?

    Busy strangling the Abbott’s pet moggie?

  209. notafan

    That too John C

    Separate of the church and state was to protect the church not the state.

    Iirc is in invariably the state with the military to back up the threats.

    In the modern day the church is threatened with lawfare.

  210. John Comnenus

    Egg
    You could be right re the switch to Plibbers.

  211. 132andBush

    Bald tick

    Just like spoiled brats.

  212. John Comnenus

    Well I had better go to work

  213. calli

    My understanding was that Luther saw the error of his ways and returned the Book of James in the second edition.

    A stupid thing to do to remove it, being a practical instruction for living a life of faith. My take is that Luther thought it was too “works based”.

  214. Tom

    Indeed, John Comnenus, the Abbotified Trumpification of Austria’s glorious leader Martin “Mao” Trumble is going to be hilarious.

  215. 132andBush

    FFS!

    Baldrick

    Maybe Bald tick works for you as well.

  216. egg_

    Snoopy
    #2586515, posted on December 17, 2017 at 12:15 pm
    Snoopy: if we don’t act on climate change now, everyone alive today will die.

    Won’t somebody think of the Children?

    Oh noes – save the wymmin and chillen!

  217. Calli, trigger warnings please. On your link to the prison hulk are photos of people naked. Under their robes.

  218. Baldrick

    Maybe Bald tick works for you as well.

    😸

  219. I have been wrong on just about everything to do with the ascent of Trumbull but let me make this prognostication – Bill Shorten is so odious Turnbull will win the next election.

    Yes, there’s a good chance the Fiberals – with or without Maladroit – could win the next election. On the weekend we saw how the preferences of the ACP, the Christian Democrats, ALA etc, can assist a Fiberal win. There are just too many Textorites to be certain of a Fiberal defeat.

    Not that it matters who gets to sit on the Treasury benches, the National Socialist Coalition will still be running the place, implementing the policies of Parkinson’s Canberra Mandarins. Everything just as it has been for the past decade.

  220. Baldrick

    Fear not. Malcolm has a plan to decrease your electricity bill by $2 a week, in 10 years time:

    THE shutdown of Hazelwood power station is being blamed as electricity bills in Victoria are expected to soar 16 per cent next year.
    The closure of coal-fired power stations has led to a ­predicted 48 per cent increase in wholesale power costs.
    But a report from the ­Australian Energy Market Commission, to be released today, suggests next year’s price hikes will be wiped out in 2019 and 2020.
    The AEMC report said wholesale costs, which make up about a third of the average bill, would soar 48 per cent next year, then fall 18 per cent in 2019 and almost 30 per cent in 2020 as new wind and solar generation eased pressure.

    ‘New wind and solar’ without any additional costs. It must be free.

  221. Rabz

    Dan Murphy stocking Oettinger

    Great beer. A mate who lived in Munchen for eight years observed it was the beer of choice of the derros there – swilled straight out of the cans, which attracted a refund as well.

    Currently drinking James Boags Premium and Squire Chancer Golden Ale (as Mr Rusty could attest).

    And yes, Ian Bloody Chappell is an irredeemable imbecile. I had the misfortune to hear some of the commentary on the weekend and his dulcet tones always have me scrambling for the remote (or a sledgehammer, whichever is nearer). His uptalking, banalities and ability to state the bleeding obvious on an almost clockwork basis is always absolutely bloody infuriating. Here’s some of his typical lines:

    “The ball is very rouND.”

    “The grass is very greEN.”

    “The House of Monis is my preferred fashion stockiST.”

    Etc.

  222. Whilst in a general sense the Reformation did lead to a separation of Church and State, it didn’t do so immediately.

    and

    However the reformation made the idea of the separation of church and State possible

    Not at all. The church was separate from the state prior to the rise of Protestantism. It is simply a myth that the ‘Reformation’ brought about a separation of Church and State.

    And the pope had just spent the last thousand years interfering in kings and queens. Because he was in charge.

    No. The idea that the Pope was ‘in charge’ of Europe from 400AD until 1500AD is just too silly for words.

    The all powerful Pope is grossly overstated by Protestant history writers.
    Kings all over Europe constantly challenged Papal appointments and on occasion invaded the Papal States to assert their complete temporal authority.

    Indeed. Even more so, monarchs often managed the appointment of bishops in their own lands, and it was only rested back to Rome through conflicts like the Investiture Controversy through the 10-12th C.

    Also the Gutenberg press and translation of the bible into langauges other than Latin wasn’t exactly supported by the hierarchy.

    Really, this would be news to Johann Gutenberg himself who was a Catholic and a tertiary of the Franciscan Order. The Bible itself was a printed version of the Vulgate. As to the translation of the Bible into other languages, there were Armenian, Chinese, Coptic, English, French, Geez (Ethiopian), German, Gothic, Czech, Slavic, Syriac, and Arabic translations of the Vulgate or of individual books in circulation prior to the Gutenberg Bible, with half of these complete before the end of the first millennium.

  223. 132andBush

    Jackie Watts, Melbourne City councillor and gender equality aficionado, interviewed on 3AW.
    By the sounds of it Doyle is toast even if he’s innocent.

  224. Rabz

    Thanks for the suggestions above, Cats – I’m off to buy some Dan Brown, Bryce Courteny and Peter Fitzsimians novels as gifts for family and friends this Christmas.

    If that doesn’t get me back in their good books I can’t think what would. A Led Zepplin best of, perhaps?

  225. notafan

    The fact is Luther relied on his own intellect not the Holy Spirit.

    Perhaps that is the problem still with how those outside viewing Catholics.

    Catholics do not claim to be sin free, not even priests, but to be on a journey, with Christ as their model, failing, confessing, starting afresh, doing the works that true faith must surely be followed by.

    It’s not enough to recite the equivalent of the shahada and then brandish a book.

    And of course confession and celibacy are looked on as secret bizarre and fake rituals with confession being a license to sin and celibacy just not possible in the sex crazed west.

    Buddhist celibacy of course is just fine because mysterious orientals/enlightenment magic word.

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