Monday Forum: December 18, 2017

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  1. Caveman

    ill sell my number one spot

  2. Dr Fred Lenin

    Don’t tell me I am first? Gotta buy a lottery ticket with that luck , mi]ornin all

  3. Dr Fred Lenin

    Sheet , third ,ah well such is life. Innit?

  4. According to the logic claimed on the previous thread, I am being forced to be here, because I may wish to comment.

  5. cuckoo

    I have no idea whether the accusations made against Melbourne’s Mayor Fatty Doyle are true or not. But if they are, it will schadenfreudelicious that the guy who used ratepayers’ money to plaster Melbourne with ‘Yes!’ posters gets nailed because he wouldn’t take ‘No!’ for an answer.

  6. Andore Jr.

    I didn’t mind the Last Jedi.

    For everyone’s (partially valid) complaints, it could have been a LOT more SJW. A Poe-Finn romance was almost obligatory in 2017; I went into the cinema with the cringe face ready, but I’ll settle for what it is.

  7. Infidel Tiger

    I read that the immigration floodgates have been secretly opened to prop up the Melbourne and Sydney housing ponzi and produce all the false economic data Turnbull needs to hang on.

    An absolute disgrace.

  8. woolfe

    Twitter told me about new forum!

  9. woolfe

    Twitter thinks the forum is in Turkish, may be on to something there…

  10. I read that the immigration floodgates have been secretly opened to prop up the Melbourne and Sydney housing ponzi and produce all the false economic data Turnbull needs to hang on.

    Sounds about right, IT.

  11. Dan Dare

    So who woulda thought Doyle is a cunning linguist.

  12. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #2587253, posted on December 18, 2017 at 10:39 am

    Hyper bowl?

  13. Arky

    Harry has a duty to marry someone who does not dilute the fundamental religious underpinnings of the Realm by being either a heathen or a Papist.

  14. Tom

    First again! I’m so goddamn talented.

  15. Stimpson J. Cat

    nothing to worry about Meghan is J22ish

    And black.
    She’s just ticking all those struggling minority boxes.
    Good girl.
    The payout in eight years will be spectacular.

  16. Stimpson J. Cat

    I read that the immigration floodgates have been secretly opened

    What is this secretly bullsh$t?
    Have you not been paying attention?
    I used to play spot the white van while driving in the car.
    Now I play spot the white man driving the white van.

  17. Motelier

    Hmmmmmm, a new fred.

    And I didn’t make the top twenty.

  18. egg_

    I read that the immigration floodgates have been secretly opened to prop up the Melbourne and Sydney housing ponzi and produce all the false economic data Turnbull needs to hang on.

    A Trumble-Bitchops master stroke?

  19. egg_

    Now I play spot the white man driving the white van.

    Invest in bollards.

  20. Harry has a duty to marry someone who does not dilute the fundamental religious underpinnings of the Realm by being either a heathen or a Papist.

    Harry can marry whomsoever he wants, under any circumstances he chooses. Prince Henry of Wales, Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, must meet certain criteria in marriage, if he wishes to remain Prince Henry of Wales, Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order.

    Either way, it’s his choice.

  21. calli

    I identify as prior to first.

  22. notafan

    Either way, it’s his choice.

    A choice that no one else has to make because no one else has their choice of bride impeded by the Act of Settlement

    You’re a dill MV

    You may as well say that no law ever, ever has any impact on anyone because they have a choice!

  23. According to the logic claimed on the previous thread, I am being forced to be here, because I may wish to comment.

    You’ve put your clown nose on, MV.

  24. calli

    Thank goodness Markle is already divorced!

  25. Motelier

    I identify as prior to first.

    Look, I sais lub, I said petal, I said luv.

    Stop identifying, just do it.

  26. From the OOT:

    Total BS. Nothing on Earth is compelling Harry to retain his title.
    It is the fact that he chooses to do so that imposes certain requirements on them.

    Not at all. Your money OR your life. We have a choice even when compelled by the threat of violence or by requirement of the law. Harry has the title now. The only reason he would renounce it presently would be if Markle refused to convert in order to marry. The law presently forces, as in legally compels, either conversion or abdication, if both intended to marry the other. This is pretty straightforward stuff.

  27. Motelier

    lub = luv

    FFS the keys on my IPad have the middle aged spread.

  28. Tell me, Nota and Dover, do you folks have driver’s licences?

  29. Tintarella di Luna

    Hyperpoll — News has a who is best to lead the Liberal party poll at this link

  30. egg_

    I identify as prior to first.

    Calli is the singularity.
    Where does Heaven fit in?

  31. Joe

    Arky:

    Harry has a duty to marry someone who does not dilute the fundamental religious underpinnings of the Realm by being either a heathen or a Papist.

    Succession to the Crown Act 2013:

    Sovereign’s consent to royal marriages
    The Royal Marriages Act 1772 is repealed. Instead, only the first six persons in line to the throne require the Sovereign’s approval to marry. Marriage without the Sovereign’s consent would disqualify the person and the person’s descendants from the marriage from succeeding to the Crown. However, the marriage would still be legally valid.

    Marriage to Roman Catholics
    Marrying a Roman Catholic no longer disqualifies a person from succeeding to the Crown.

    So, apparently there is NO requirement for Harry’s squeeze to change religions.

  32. calli

    In the back seat of my Cadillac, of course.

  33. calli

    Stop annoying us with facts, Joe.

  34. struth

    lub = luv

    Lub is aboriginal for love.

  35. Motelier

    Lub is aboriginal for love.

    😳

  36. egg_

    Lub-lub is the Cadillac’s rumble.

  37. Arky

    So, apparently there is NO requirement

    ..

    Harry has a duty

    ..
    duty
    ˈdjuːti/Submit
    noun
    1.
    a moral or legal obligation; a responsibility

  38. notafan

    There are still some impediments, Harry cannot legally marry without permission from the Queen.

    But, under the law, should the children of an heir be raised Catholic, they would not be able to inherit the throne. That’s because the monarch is also Head of the Church of England, a Protestant Anglican church established by the royals’ 16th-century forebear Henry VIII.

  39. Tell me, Nota and Dover, do you folks have driver’s licences?

    Yes, and the requirement in order to drive on roads, etc. involves force in the form of legal compulsion. Again, this is pretty straightforward stuff.

  40. Oh come on

    You’ve put your clown nose on, MV.

    Pretty sure that thing’s permanently attached.

  41. Motelier

    I see Malcolm Stumble has lost 25 Newspolls in a row.

    This experiment should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago.

    What is that saying?

    Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result is ………

  42. notafan

    Driver’s licenses

    I wonder why we bothered to acquire those.

    I know MV got his so he could drive his clown car

  43. Stimpson J. Cat

    I personally think it’s fantastic that a Royal Nazi is marrying a Black J$w.

    Just wonderful.

  44. Joe

    Harry has a duty

    to obey the law of the land. Which states he can marry whoever he wants, so long as the crown gives consent. Religious belief only enters into the the discussion upon the possible withholding of consent by the crown. There is no lawful prohibition on his wife. He, however, must be C of E to become King.

  45. egg_

    “If the world has begun with a single quantum, the notions of space and time would altogether fail to have any meaning at the beginning; they would only begin to have a sensible meaning when the original quantum had been divided into a sufficient number of quanta. If this suggestion is correct, the beginning of the world happened a little before the beginning of space and time.

    Georges Lemaître

  46. notafan

    So, apparently there is NO requirement for Harry’s squeeze to change religions.

    Not unless her prospective grandma in law says so

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Pamela Anderson writes to Dutton calling for Manus Island investigation

    Adrian Mcmurray
    The Australian
    11:18AM December 18, 2017

    Pamela Anderson has written to Immigration Minister Peter Dutton asking for an investigation into alleged animal cruelty on Manus Island.

    The former Baywatch star and activist claimed in a letter to Dutton that a dog “was thrown from a moving bus” by a guard as detainees were moved from the island’s main detention facility to alternative accommodation last month.

    While labelling the continued detainment of refugees as “appalling”, Anderson — writing on behalf of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) — instead highlighted the mistreatment of the dog, Foxy, who is accompanying a refugee.

    “Animals feel pain, stress, and fear just as we do, and such callous abuse is unacceptable and threatens everyone in your care on Manus,” Anderson said.

    From the Oz. You couldn’t make this rubbish up, seriously.

  48. Yes, and the requirement in order to drive on roads, etc. involves force in the form of legal compulsion. Again, this is pretty straightforward stuff.

    And what “compels” you to drive on the roads, Dover?
    Is there a minimum daily mileage we’re all supposed to clock up?
    First I’ve heard of it.

  49. C.L.

    Collusion …

    Major breaking scandal at left-of-centre Politico:

    The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook.

    In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

    RTWT.

  50. Arky

    All of our obligations extend beyond simply obeying the law of the land Joe.
    A Royal even more so.

  51. notafan

    Laws have no implications for the way in which humans in society live, read all about it!
    keep going MV, you are definitely going somewhere with this line of reasoning

  52. stackja

    Why not drive on the right side of the road in a left hand drive. Be different. What could possibly go wrong?

  53. And what “compels” you to drive on the roads, Dover?

    The desire to get from A to B. Pretty straightforward stuff.

  54. struth

    Pamela Anderson has written to Immigration Minister Peter Dutton asking for an investigation into alleged animal cruelty on Manus Island.

    .

    How many humans have suffered taking up unethical doctor’s time shoving silicon into her chest that could have otherwise been taken up treating the sick and injured.

    I suppose when your lips are full of your arse , the dribbling of shit is much more likely.

  55. calli

    Blame the Queen. She has obviously said No. The Vibe tells me so.

  56. Joe

    All of our obligations extend beyond simply obeying the law of the land Joe.
    A Royal even more so.

    Noblesse oblige, was killed off by democracy. Only the LAW matters now.

  57. Next MV will tell us we are not compelled to pay taxes.

  58. Rae

    Why is there a fuss about Meghan Markle being baptized/confirmed into the Anglican Church precedent to getting married to Prince Harry? I don’t see that it is really different to the requirements faced by my Baptist friend, who before should could marry her Catholic fiancé had to attend religious instruction classes and be baptized and confirmed into the Catholic faith.

  59. Oh come on

    Now the ABC is just trolling the nation –

    The secret scourge of family violence and murder in Australian Hindu and Sikh communities

    Elephant in room: ignored.

  60. The desire to get from A to B. Pretty straightforward stuff.

    The desire?

    The “desire”?

    The “desire”?

    The “desire”?

    So, you’re not forced to then?

  61. Makka

    I read that the immigration floodgates have been secretly opened to prop up the Melbourne and Sydney housing ponzi and produce all the false economic data Turnbull needs to hang on.

    An absolute disgrace.

    Too right it’s a disgrace. Indians and Chinese skilled being the biggest. How come they all end up being either taxi drivers or shop owners?

  62. Stimpson J. Cat

    Blame the Queen. She has obviously said No. The Vibe tells me so.

    Actually the Queen just got off the phone with me.
    Here are her thoughts on The Markle:

    “Now Stimpy, I am not saying she is a gold digger,
    But she is not messing with any broke N$ggas.”

  63. Arky

    Noblesse oblige, was killed off by democracy. Only the LAW matters now.

    ..
    You raise your children properly because of the law?
    You fulfil only the duties at work that are written into your contract?

  64. Joe

    Blame the Queen. She has obviously said No. The Vibe tells me so.

    The Crown has said YES – on the condition that issue will be eligible for accession to the Crown, which has previously been pointed out requires conversion to C of E.

    Entirely reasonable to expect that children of the royal family be capable of accession to the crown given the rules of accession.

  65. Makka

    Markle wasn’t forced. She was given a choice as was Harry.

  66. The “desire”?

    So, you’re not forced to then?

    The desire to travel is the motive. I’m compelled to obtain a license in order to satisfy such a desire.

  67. calli

    There are plenty of heirs.

  68. Chris

    Too right it’s a disgrace. Indians and Chinese skilled being the biggest. How come they all end up being either taxi drivers or shop owners?

    Well, I have some very professional colleagues in industry that are Indian migrants. So there are certainly genuine skilled immigrants with killed jobs. Most of the students I meet driving Ubers, can’t get jobs with Commerce, IT or hospitality degrees.

  69. Oh come on

    Remember the multitude of ABC articles about all the ‘secret traumas’ of domestic abuse ‘survivors’ who suffered at the hands of their clergymen husbands?

    Elephant in room: ignored again.

    Poor clergy. The ABC set insists they must marry to prevent abuse, but when they do marry, they’re tarred as serial abusers.

    I guess they could stay out of trouble by disavowing Christian morality altogether. Which has never been the Left’s objective at all.

  70. Makka

    Most of the students I meet driving Ubers, can’t get jobs with Commerce, IT or hospitality degrees.

    Sure, because our fking traitors in Govt are allowing foreigners in to take those jobs. Most skilled visas are granted as a request of Australian firm applications. Those “firms” may also be originating from fellow Indians and Chinese.

  71. Fisky

    Too right it’s a disgrace. Indians and Chinese skilled being the biggest. How come they all end up being either taxi drivers or shop owners?

    Also notice how the Indians are overwhelmingly working in industries sensitive to automation – fast food and transport. We are importing these people and giving them permanent residence on very shaky foundations.

  72. Joe

    The desire to travel is the motive. I’m compelled to obtain a license in order to satisfy such a desire.

    No you’re not. Take a cab or a bus or a train.
    The only compulsion is to get a license if you want to drive yourself on the public roads. That is a choice you freely make and you also freely agree to obey the rules of the road when you do so.

  73. Ez

    Blame the Queen. She has obviously said No. The Vibe tells me so.

    Nonsense.
    If QE2 had a problem with Markle she’d just get MI-5½ to bump her off, like she did with Diana. #AlFayedtruthers

  74. The Crown has said YES – on the condition that issue will be eligible for accession to the Crown, which has previously been pointed out requires conversion to C of E.

    Absolutely correct, Joe. And despite that condition, Harry and Meghan can STILL legally get married. Nobody can legally stop them. They just give up Harry’s right to the throne, plus that of their progeny.

    Given that Harry is already down to fifth in line, and soon to be relegated to sixth, it wouldn’t really be a big deal. Therefore it can fairly safely be assumed they are complying out of choice, not some non-existent compulsion.

  75. Markle was legally compelled (forced) to convert in order to marry Prince Harry. That she had a choice is irrelevant. We always have a choice even when compelled, again: Your money OR your life.

  76. Makka

    Most of the students I meet driving Ubers, can’t get jobs with Commerce, IT or hospitality degrees.

    It’s because firms insist on experience. Just how are grads supposed to gain experience when our traitorous Govt is allowing skilled migrants in to take those places? A policy kept in place by the rent-seeking businesses in this country. It’s a bloody disgrace.

  77. Fisky

    It’s a good thing our Chinese intake is overwhelmingly skewed towards accounting graduates. I’m sure it will come in handy when the majority of companies are in liquidation.

  78. Makka

    That she had a choice is irrelevant. We always have a choice even when compelled, again: Your money OR your life.

    She wasn’t forced. She made a choice. Nobody forced her to marry Harry or forced her to become CoE. She’s doing both of her own free will. She wants to in fact.

  79. Herodotus

    Wall-to-wall SSM cheerios on ABC radio. It’s going to be a long summer break of lurv, lurv, lurv.

  80. Snoopy

    Harry’s and Meg’s kids have to be raised as C of E to qualify as heirs. Does that necessarily require Meg’s conversion?

  81. Joe

    Harry’s and Meg’s kids have to be raised as C of E to qualify as heirs. Does that necessarily require Meg’s conversion?

    Not as such. That she has chosen to do so speaks volumes for her respect of the institution she is joining.

  82. No you’re not. Take a cab or a bus or a train.
    The only compulsion is to get a license if you want to drive yourself on the public roads. That is a choice you freely make and you also freely agree to obey the rules of the road when you do so.

    So you admit I’m forced to obtain a license if I want to drive from A to B. Therefore, you’ve conceded that Markle is compelled to convert in order to marry Prince Harry. Just as we are compelled to pay taxes if we want to engage in paid labour.

  83. Motelier

    Tom asked for reports on the startup

    Pizza report.

    First two stalls over the weekend.

    Product – feedback from guests overwhelmingly positive. One complaint was an undercooked base. Others were, just like in Italy, love the base, thank god not smothered in cheese, and, not wood smoked.

    To say MrsM and I are chuffed is an understatement. We only did four offerings, supreme, pepperoni, Hawaiian and BBQ chicken. All fresh ingredients with the bases formed and topped in view of the customers. The menu will stay the same for a couple of months before we add or drop items.

    Price probably needs to be adjusted in future but there are other things sort out.

    To say we were unorganised is an understatement. The target of 50 pizzas an hour for two people is a long way off, at best we got to 20 an hour. The 2 ovens holding 3 pizzas each and taking 10 minutes to cook each pizza = 36 an hour maximum. Forming and topping the pizzas takes less time, so at this stage the fix is either make the pizzas cook faster (🤔) or purchase another oven ($). The latter appeals to me, redundancy if something goes wrong so we can still trade. We have the space at the outside the gazebo, and it will not effect moch in the eventual design of the trailers.

    Reports off.

  84. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s a good thing our Chinese intake is overwhelmingly skewed towards accounting graduates. I’m sure it will come in handy when the majority of companies are in liquidation.

    I literally see groups of five up to twenty retirement age old Ethnics who can’t speak English sitting around in the park all day. Just talking jibber jabber at each other with nothing else to do.
    Where the f$ck do they all come from?
    How dare they take the places reserved for traditional owners.
    It’s just outrageous.

  85. zyconoclast

    Lord mayor Robert Doyle takes leave after sex harassment claim by councillor who quit

    In a statement on Sunday, council chief executive Ben Rimmer said he had commissioned an independent external investigation of these matters, led by Dr Ian Freckelton, QC, in accordance with natural justice principles.

    “These allegations are very serious, and if proven, would be inconsistent with the values of the city and the organisation. Therefore it is very important that these matters are thoroughly investigated.”

    If they are serious allegations, why aren’t the police investigating?

  86. Markle was legally compelled (forced) to convert in order to marry Prince Harry.

    No she wasn’t, Dover. She is required to convert if and only if she and Harry want to preserve his place in the pecking order for the throne, and pass on that heredity position to their children. Obviously they do want this, but it is the exercise of a choice, not the result of a compulsion.

  87. Joe

    So you admit I’m forced to obtain a license if I want to drive from A to B. Therefore, you’ve conceded that Markle is compelled to convert in order to marry Prince Harry. Just as we are compelled to pay taxes if we want to engage in paid labour.

    This is straw-man illogic of the highest order.
    Markle IS NOT COMPELLED to convert in order to marry Prince Harry AT ALL. She chose to convert to allow her children the possibility of ascending to the throne according to UK law – EVEN THOUGH SHE DID NOT HAVE TO.

  88. Diogenes

    faced by my Baptist friend, who before should could marry her Catholic fiancé had to attend religious instruction classes and be baptized and confirmed into the Catholic faith

    Thats funny. I didnt have to convert to marry SWMBO had to attend 3 counselling sessions and promise to bring the kids up as cattle tics.

  89. She wasn’t forced. She made a choice. Nobody forced her to marry Harry or forced her to become CoE. She’s doing both of her own free will. She wants to in fact.

    No one is denying that she chose to marry Harry by converting, but there would have been no conversion but for the legal requirement that she be C of E. In order to marry Harry. So she was forced to covert in order to satisfy the goal of marrying Harry. Force does not exclude choice; in fact, there can be no force where choice is absent.

  90. Joe

    No one is denying that she chose to marry Harry by converting, but there would have been no conversion but for the legal requirement that she be C of E. In order to marry Harry. So she was forced to covert in order to satisfy the goal of marrying Harry. Force does not exclude choice; in fact, there can be no force where choice is absent.

    There IS NO SUCH legal requirement. The only requirement for ACCESSION to the Throne is the person NOT BE A CATHOLIC. It has NOTHING to do with marriage.

  91. Dave in Marybrook

    Stimpy, that’s gold.

  92. Bruce of Newcastle

    Queensland unhappy that tourism is in the doldrums.

    Queensland tourism falls behind rival states as international vistors head south

    But the fall in Queensland’s market is not a one-off. It has been trending down for the past decade and official data shows that in the year to September the amount tourists spent in Queensland grew by just 2 per cent, barely covering inflation, compared with 6 per cent nationally.

    Maybe da Reef being incessantly reported as black, dead and boiled by global warming has had something to do with it.

    On the other hand…

    Spending in Queensland was up by 2 per cent for the year to September while in NSW it was up 12 per cent, Victoria 13 per cent and the ACT 27 per cent, according to Tourism Research Australia data.

    ACT up 27%? How odd. ACT is so boring. I wonder if it has anything to do with recent events? And will it hold up? Chinese money is such a fickle thing.

  93. notafan

    Who is ‘blaming’ the Queen?

    The fact is there is a legal requirement for her permission to be obtained before anyone up to the sixth line of succession to be allowed to marry.

  94. Tom asked for reports on the startup

    Thanks for that, Motelier.
    I’m very interested in your progress – it makes good reading. You said you were working towards a franchise, and #1 son is looking for a part time business, so keep the updates coming.

  95. zyconoclast

    First 30 Central American refugees arrive in Australia after fleeing gang violence

    Thirty men, woman and children fleeing gang violence in El Salvador have been granted asylum in Australia by the Turnbull government.

    The seven families are the first to arrive in Australia from Central American as refugees under a deal struck by Prime Minster Malcolm Turnbull and then US president Barack Obama last year.

    Although few other details are available about the 30 individuals – in part to preserve their safety – Fairfax Media understands the main applicants and their family had been living in hiding in El Salvador and faced gang-related intimidation and violence before being transferred to Costa Rica.

    I expect high IQ, well educated bilingual, English speakers, well adjusted, non PTSD sufferers who will spend the least time possible on welfare and will be into high skilled, well paying jobs and paying income taxes in next to no time.

    Anyone want to take a contrary view?

  96. Motelier

    The fact is there is a legal requirement for her permission to be obtained before anyone up to the sixth line

    They could elope, you know like in lotsa fairytales.

  97. She is required to convert if and only if she and Harry want to preserve his place in the pecking order for the throne, and pass on that heredity position to their children. Obviously they do want this, but it is the exercise of a choice, not the result of a compulsion.

    People compelled to do A always have the choice of not doing A. Markle was legally compelled to convert in order to marry Prince Harry. Of course, she could have refused and not married Prince Harry, or Harry could have abdicated. Either way, legal compulsion is involved. What part of this is difficult to understand?

  98. jock

    Sorry to see the passing of barry Cohen. A labor politician you could respect. The hawke government had a few of these. Something i cant say if the current crop under shorten.

  99. notafan

    Joe the only error DB has made is mistake what law is in force at the current time

    Prince Harry must have the Queen’s permission to marry and she might well require a token conversion to Anglicanism so that any children will be raised in the CofE

    I doubt Meghan cares one way or another

    Btw, Princess Mary converted to Lutherism in order to marry Fred.

  100. Snoopy

    Meg forced to convert?

    #FakeNews

  101. zyconoclast

    Power bill relief forecast, but not before summer spike

    Household power bills are tipped to fall by more than 10 per cent in the next two years, but only after a spike this summer.

    In its latest electricity trends report, the Australia Energy Market Commission (AEMC) predicts prices across the country will rise sharply in the first quarter of 2018 before falling by 6.2 per cent each year on average over the next two years from July thanks to falling wholesale energy costs.

    “Consumers are riding a power-price rollercoaster driven by changes in generation,” the AEMC said.

    Victoria is expected to see the greatest change in its electricity bills, with power prices falling 8.2 per cent between July 2018 and 2020.

    But average annual bills in Victoria this financial year are tipped to be 15.9 per cent higher, driven by the wholesale electricity price, the state’s first summer without the Hazelwood coal-fired power plant, and a higher gas price, which increased the cost of operating gas-fired generators.

    Annual electricity bills will peak this current financial year at around $1275 for an average residential user. By the 2019-20 financial year, bills will drop to an average of $1075.

    South Australia and Queensland will see a similar drop in price of 7.3 and 7.1 per cent respectively from the middle of next year.

    This will be welcome news for South Australians, who have some of the highest energy bills in the world, and are seeing a 17 per cent increase in annual average electricity costs, which will peak this financial year at nearly $1900.

    NSW and Tasmania are expected to have the smallest reduction in future prices, with declines of 6.6 and 6.5 per cent respectively from the middle of next year.

    But annual electricity bills in NSW are forecast to be 10.2 per cent higher for the current 2017-18 period compared to last year, reaching close to an annual total of $1300 for an average residential user. They are expected to fall to an average annual rate of $1125 for the 2019-20 financial year.

    Western Australia, the Northern Territory, and the ACT will all continue to see price increases, with WA forecast to experience a 6.5 per cent jump in current energy bills.

    Despite these forecast prices falls, the AEMC said the government must continue to refine its energy policies to ensure these price reductions occurred.

    “Right now we’re seeing the whole power system transforming, so it’s going to be cleaner, with more new technologies like batteries, but we have to make sure this market transformation works,” the AEMC said.

    It forecast that around 5.3 gigawatts of new power would come online between 2016-17 and 2019-20, the majority of which – about 4.9 gigawatts – would be renewable generation, which would help drive down energy costs in the medium-term.

    “We know more wind and solar supply will help bring prices down, but old power stations are starting to close down, which means supply will drop and prices go up again,” an AEMC spokeswoman said.

    “Without investment in replacement dispatchable capacity, wholesale prices will go up again and remain volatile. And the rollercoaster will be repeated. If it’s not managed the right way you can get more system instability and blackouts.”

  102. The fact is there is a legal requirement for her permission to be obtained before anyone up to the sixth line of succession to be allowed to marry.

    No there isn’t Nota. Go back and read the relevant bit of the Act. Joe posted it at 11.12 am.

  103. Snoopy

    and she might well require a token conversion to Anglicanism

    Forced conversion. Confirmed!

  104. Motelier

    MrsM and I got invited to spend XMAS in Adelaide this year, but we politely refused.

    MrsM’s sister and her hubby Prof Green are rabid greenies and are really celebrating the implementation of Elon’s big battery. So this came across my twitter feed today.

    The real reason I won’t go to SA this XMAS is that I hare diesel fumes.

  105. Rafe

    Liberty Quote

    Every government-mandated low-flow toilet, phosphorous-free dishwasher detergent, CFL light bulb, and carbon-emission regulation is another obstacle on the way to a productive, job-creating economy that produces things consumers really want. — Andy Kessler

  106. zyconoclast

    Sorry to see the passing of barry Cohen. A labor politician you could respect. The hawke government had a few of these. Something i cant say if the current crop under shorten.

    This Barry Cohen?
    Politicians’ perks: High Court will hear former MPs’ bid for bigger pensions

    The High Court has agreed to hear the challenge by four former federal MPs – Labor’s Barry Cunningham, Tony Lamb and Barry Cohen, and Liberal John Moore – seeking a big boost to their entitlements.

  107. Nick

    Meg forced to convert?
    #FakeNews

    Along with #fauxoutrage

  108. Oh come on

    I suspect this is akin to two bald men arguing over the ownership of a comb. Markle is probably about as religious as Harry is, ie. not very. I doubt this is something that has worried them nearly as such as it apparently does some here.

  109. notafan

    They could elope, you know like in lotsa fairytales.

    Your point is pointless

    The reality is that there is a law in existence that forces people to choice box a or box b but not both, in this case, the British law has been diluted to obtaining the Queen’s permission and whatever restrictions she places on the marriage before it can go ahead.

    like the law that compels us to obtain driver’s licences or get fined or go to gaol.

    It is the existence of the law that forces the choice, as DB says, hardly revelatory.

  110. This is straw-man illogic of the highest order.
    Markle IS NOT COMPELLED to convert in order to marry Prince Harry AT ALL. She chose to convert to allow her children the possibility of ascending to the throne according to UK law – EVEN THOUGH SHE DID NOT HAVE TO.

    So she was compelled to convert in order for her children to enter the line of succession , not in order to marry Prince Harry (that only requires as a matter of law permission of the monarch)? Where then is the strawman or the ‘illogic’?

  111. C.L.

    The secret scourge of family violence and murder in Australian Hindu and Sikh communities

    How come the ABC doesn’t do a feature on family violence and murders committed by atheists?
    I would have thought they were the most numerous perpetrators of both.

  112. Markle was legally compelled to convert in order to marry Prince Harry. Of course, she could have refused and not married Prince Harry, or Harry could have abdicated.

    Now you’re going full retard, Dover. Never go full retard.
    Harry can’t abdicate. He’s not the Monarch.

  113. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Pamela Anderson has written to Immigration Minister Peter Dutton asking for an investigation into alleged animal cruelty on Manus Island.

    Bit blunt about the refos.

    The former Baywatch star and activist claimed in a letter to Dutton that a dog “was thrown from a moving bus” by a guard as detainees were moved from the island’s main detention facility to alternative accommodation last month.

    Huh? is she talking about a real dog dog.

    While labelling the continued detainment of refugees as “appalling”, Anderson — writing on behalf of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) — instead highlighted the mistreatment of the dog, Foxy, who is accompanying a refugee.

    Well at least she has her priorities straight.

  114. Joe the only error DB has made is mistake what law is in force at the current time

    Yes, I took the statement of facts as presented earlier as correct.

  115. Motelier

    It is the existence of the law that forces the choice, as DB says, hardly revelatory.

    This is the chicken or egg debate all over again.

    Lotsa people get around without having a vehicle licence just as some are lost without a licence.

  116. Just call me Nostradamus, but I’ve a feeling converting to C of E isn’t going to present much of a moral dilemma to Ms Markle.

  117. Baldrick

    Septimus, if you’re smoted again what number smoting will that be?

    Rae
    #2587251, posted on December 18, 2017 at 10:38 am
    Number Ten

    Good, now fuck off Stalker Boy.

  118. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Marty Armstrong looks at the impact of centralised rate fixing in federated economies:

    When Roosevelt comes to power in 1933, he wanted to control the economy for his socialist agenda. He usurped the power of interest rates from the various branches of the Fed and consolidated then into Washington DC making it one-size-fits-all. He, therefore, abandoned the structural design of the Fed and ever since the capital flow focus has been internationally, not domestically.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/canada/the-separatist-movements-in-canada/

  119. notafan

    No one doubts that harry.meghan are meh about the rules

    The argument is about the principle that separation of Church and State has not entirely ended in the UK (and some other protestant countries,)and the obvious to most that laws compel us to make choices that in the absence thereof we would not have necessarily make.

    People once again arguing how Protestantism brought the world separation of church and state when in fact Protestantism, in many cases created state churches.

    Danish members of the royal family are still compelled to make choices

  120. Now you’re going full retard, Dover. Never go full retard.
    Harry can’t abdicate. He’s not the Monarch.

    He doesn’t have to be in order to abdicate his title.

  121. So she was compelled to convert in order for her children to enter the line of succession , not in order to marry Prince Harry

    By George, I think he’s getting it. No, she wasn’t compelled to convert to marry Harry. Yes, she was required to convert in order that Harry and their children, preserved their rights of succession to the Crown. They exercised a choice to preserve the succession.

  122. C.L.

    Here are the three ABC Online epigraphs describing the domestic violence and religion features to follow …

    1. Hindus & Sikhs

    Advocates are attributing an alarming increase in domestic violence in Hindu and Sikh communities to myriad factors, including the influence of ancient texts which relegate women to inferior status, a reluctance by clergy to even raise the subject of family violence, and Australia’s failure to outlaw dowry abuse.

    2. Christians

    Below are first-person accounts from 20 women and men who want their tales of suffering abuse in Christian communities — many at the hands of pastors and pillars of their parish — to be told for the first time.

    3. Muslims

    Most Muslims believe Islam abhors violence. So why do some say the Koran sanctions “lightly” beating your wife? An ABC News investigation into religion and domestic violence reveals the fight within Islam to stop the abuse of women and prevent imams from telling victims to stay and obey..

    So there you have it. If domestic violence exists within Muslim communities, it’s only because enemies of true Islam are corrupting this noble, peaceful faith. But fear not; the Overwhelming Majority of Good Muslims is on to them.

  123. He doesn’t have to be in order to abdicate his title.

    Only the Monarch can abdicate their right to the Crown.
    Harry can only abjure his right to succeed to the Crown.

  124. Baldrick

    Parliamentary MP’s stuff up and taxpayers cop the bill …

    Bevan Shields @BevanShields
    Spotted in MYEFO papers: the government has set aside $11.6 million for legal costs from the citizenship fiasco

    What a country!

  125. notafan

    Lotsa people get around without having a vehicle licence just as some are lost without a licence.

    Are the legal consequences for not having a licence or not?

    What is the intention of making law in the first place?

  126. Rae

    and promise to bring the kids up as cattle tics

    My friend had to make that promise too.

  127. Arky

    I think I’m following the argument and agree with all of the above.
    Catholics should not be allowed to drive.

  128. Snoopy

    the government has set aside $11.6 million for legal costs from the citizenship fiasco

    Does that mean the High Court will be paying a dividend to shareholders this FY?

  129. notafan

    Yes yes MV we all exercise choices all the time, no one argues otherwise

    What is the purpose of making a law?

    Why for example are tobacco taxes so high?

    Could it be the government is trying to compel people to change their behaviour, to influence their choices?

  130. Makka

    Are the legal consequences for not having a licence or not?

    What is the intention of making law in the first place?

    Markle would not be thrown in jail if she didn’t convert. Her situation is equivalent to obtaining a Cert1V in Management to qualify for a job. She can either choose to qualify or not with no legal repercussions. She chooses to qualify for the opportunity presented to her.

  131. Oh come on

    So there you have it. If domestic violence exists within Muslim communities, it’s only because enemies of true Islam are corrupting this noble, peaceful faith. But fear not; the Overwhelming Majority of Good Muslims is on to them.

    Hahahaha the ABC investigates!

  132. Tom

    Tom asked for reports on the startup

    Pizza report.

    Mote, is it a good earner if you buy an extra oven and model production at 20 units an hour? That would seem to be the correct ball park.

    Thanks for the report. Sounds like it could be a goer.

  133. Are the legal consequences for not having a licence or not?

    No, there are no legal consequences from not having a driver’s licence.

  134. They exercised a choice to preserve the succession.

    But they only exercised such a choice because they were legally compelled to in order to preserve their right of Succession. And to repeat: Force does not exclude choice; in fact, there can be no force where choice is absent.

  135. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL BREAKING NEWS
    Welfare payments stripped from migrants

    Daniel Mcculloch
    Australian Associated Press
    12:35PM December 18, 2017

    Welfare payments will be stripped from new migrants who have been claiming Centrelink benefits immediately after arriving in Australia.

    Treasurer Scott Morrison announced the hardline approach as a key new savings measure when providing an update on the country’s budget outlook on Monday.

    The change is expected to reduce welfare payments by $1.2 billion over four years

    From the Oz.

  136. jupes

    George Brandis bound for London as Malcolm Turnbull prepares for imminent cabinet reshuffle

    So the disgusting cockroach scuttles off to swan about in London.

    Among the very worst politicians to ever enter parliament, he was dumb enough to be owned on occasion by the equally disgusting and stupid Mark Dreyfus. He stood for absolutely nothing of importance to this nation, witness for example his craven capitulation on free speech.

    Always speaking in the boring monotone favoured by entitled legal types, the only two times he was ever passionate about anything was in defense of Muslims and in celebration of homo marriage.

    Of course this makes no sense at all, but that is par for the course for Brandis and the stupid fucking Liberal Party.

    Good riddance you sanctimonious prick.

  137. Arky

    in fact, there can be no force where choice is absent.

    ..
    so if I twist your arm behind your back and put grass in your mouth this is not force?

  138. Dr Fred Lenin

    Hey caveman and Zulu how about we form a junta and overthrow the political system .I would like to be commisar for justice ,immigration and state security . You all know how I feel about these subjects . Since I have no lawtrade training I am eminently qualified ,I ignore the trees and look at the wood .my portfolio would help the economy ,all those incarcerated leftoids working for nothing the old Chinese mantra ,no work ,no eat . My reverse migration ,family reunion in country of birth ,the huge decrease of welfare seekers would save heaps . How about it guys. Zulus military experience and caveman’s club could be usefully employed . We would do one six year term then \\\\retire gracefully into oblivion ,and the new guys would get their six years before following us . We have a wealth of skills to tap into here on Cats we couldn’t be worse than the present maggots

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    She wasn’t forced. She made a choice.

    Not really.
    I think you’ll find if she stopped straightening her hair everyday she’d get told pretty damn quick to get back in line.

  140. notafan

    I could not care less about the choices argument Makka

    that is a der fred argument

    What people are clearly struggling with is that the presence of a law compels/forces people to make choices

    Do I drive without a license and risk being fined/gaoled?

    Do I pay $30 for a packet of cigarettes, buy black market cigarettes or smoke less or not at all?

    Your basic arguments seems to be that there is no legal intention to compel people to make choices they would not have otherwise considered if no such law existed.

    You need to explain why we bother having laws in the first place if they are not intended to force people to do things against their natural inclinations.

  141. Ivan Denisovich

    Force does not exclude choice; in fact, there can be no force where choice is absent.

    The Religion of Peace:

    Terrified Victoria Yohanna, 15, walked for seven hours to escape the barbaric Boko Haram – Islamic militants who have now become affiliated with ISIS.

    While schoolgirls were forced into marriages and ordered to renounce their faith, her five younger brothers were forced into a “Koranic instruction”, trained to kill, and ordered to fight for Boko Haram.

    On the way to the camp she described how “amidst intense gunfire, I saw how young adults were beheaded”.

    She said: “The Christian women were forced to recount their faith and become wives of the terrorists or be killed.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/612536/Boko-Haram-kidnapped-Christian-marriage-Islam-terror-group-Nigeria

  142. notafan

    No, there are no legal consequences from not having a driver’s licence.

    You are such a pedantic grigory MV

    of course ‘if you want to drive a motor vehicle ‘ is implied

  143. Stimpson J. Cat

    I suspect this is akin to two bald men arguing over the ownership of a comb.

    F$ck combs the smug b$stards that they are.

  144. Stimpson J. Cat

    ..
    so if I twist your arm behind your back and put grass in your mouth this is not force?

    *Traditional New Zealand Mating Ritual.

  145. Oh come on

    two bald men arguing over the ownership of a comb.

    Not my own work. I think an Argentinian literary luminary characterised the Falklands War thusly.

  146. Oh come on

    Hehe ‘grigory’ has become a pejorative term. It must be entered into the Cat dictionary.

  147. Arky

    At least I’m getting some Stimpson.
    You bald, mad, unlaid bastard.

  148. b. She can either choose to qualify or not with no legal repercussions. She chooses to qualify for the opportunity presented to her.

    So it is only a mere requirement of paid labor that we pay taxes. No compulsion is involved.

  149. But they only exercised such a choice because they were legally compelled to in order to preserve their right of Succession.

    But they are not compelled, legally or otherwise, to preserve their Right of Succession. Purely their own choice to do so, or not, as the case may be. You and I have no idea why they exercised the choice that they did. However, one thing is certain: it was not to “allow” them to legally get married, they could do that already.

  150. Baldrick

    The stupid, it burns …

    Tom Whitty ✔ @twhittyer (Managing editor Das Pröjekt)
    If you’ve ever posted a tweet complaining about Sharia law in Australia, I hope you’re doing the same today about Canon law. Catholic leaders are rejecting the Royal Commission’s recommendation that priests report confessions of child rape.

  151. Rabz

    Dirtbags like George [email protected] are the reason why the Gliberals’ primary vote is going through the floor.

    Now he’s off to a comfy sinecure in London at taxpayers’ expense.

    Grate.

    They are a complete joke and deserve the electoral oblivion headed their way.

  152. Arky

    And I have hair.
    Not much, but enough to push it around strategically.

  153. so if I twist your arm behind your back and put grass in your mouth this is not force?

    No, that is battery. It’s force if you do the above in order for me to do or refrain from doing something I would otherwise do or refrain from doing.

  154. Makka

    Your basic arguments seems to be that there is no legal intention to compel people to make choices they would not have otherwise considered if no such law existed.

    No it isn’t and you’re verballing again. I haven’t commented on “why we bother having laws in the first place”. That’s your squirrel.

    I’m saying there is no force or legal punishment involved in Markle’s decision to convert or not. Markle is choosing to take advantage of an opportunity by gaining a certain qualification. It’s a choice or her desire and not a legal requirement for her to marry Harry.

  155. notafan

    She actually said that bad word too, not even ‘Festive Season’ gifts.

    Who knew Clemmy was really at heart a yummy mummy ready to start her very own mummy blog about Tupperware and remote stealing bubs?

    What we all really need is Christmas gift advise from Clemmy

  156. Mother Lode

    Treasurer Scott Morrison announced the hardline approach as a key new savings measure when providing an update on the country’s budget outlook on Monday.

    Wow.

    Thanks have to be pretty bad when this government thinks their only choice is to reduce spending somewhere rather than increasing taxes.

    Brace yourself for some bad news. Perhaps Trumble gave the national accounts bank details to some guy in Nigeria trying to repatriate an ousted President’s fortune.

    Or treasury realised that they had forgot to carry the ‘1’ when calculating the national debt.

  157. of course ‘if you want to drive a motor vehicle ‘ is implied

    Two entirely separate issues.
    You are not compelled to hold a valid driver’s licence.
    You are not even required to hold a valid driver’s licence if you want to drive a motor vehicle.
    You are only compelled to hold a valid driver’s if you want to drive on public roads.

    Incidentally, this issue – the question off being “forced” to hold a driver’s licence, has been tested at law. The law decided nobody was forced to hold a driver’s licence.

  158. But they are not compelled, legally or otherwise, to preserve their Right of Succession. Purely their own choice to do so, or not, as the case may be.

    If I put a gun to your head and say, Your money OR your life, are you legally compelled to live? No, you are not but you desire it just as Markle desires that her child retain their right of succession. So to say that because you are not legally compelled to live means that the choice given to you by me as highwayman excludes any compulsion is obviously false.

  159. notafan

    legal punishment

    Yes there is; the legal ‘punishment’ is the Queen withholding permission to marry

    Which she has the legal right to do for all members of the royal family to the sixth degree of succession.

    If there is no consequence then there is no point to the law, why would it even exist?

    You always make the same stupid comment about verballing when I was merely extrapolating that any law is intended to compel people to make choices

    Arguing like a monty.

  160. Mother Lode

    Perhaps Brandis can be an ablative High Commissioner.

    High profile, but of no real worth, when Agents of Cultural Enrichment decide to use a truck to enrich locals to death, the sight of his toffee-apple head might draw them off.

    We just have to make sure they all know what he looks like. Maybe pictures of him celebrating Homo-hoedowns on halal milk cartons.

  161. You are only compelled to hold a valid driver’s if you want to drive on public roads

    So, again, you are forced to hold a license if you want to drive on public roads.

  162. Mark A

    Must be a boring day for many, so much fuss about Harry and his squeeze having or not having a choice. Ho Hum. I usually enjoy your mental sparring but this has gone too far. Boring.

    Yup, I know, scroll.

  163. Boambee John

    CL at 1225

    How come the ABC doesn’t do a feature on family violence and murders committed by atheists?
    I would have thought they were the most numerous perpetrators of both.

    You mean dob in their work colleagues? Won’t somebody think of the Chasers?

  164. Geriatric Mayfly

    Instead, check out the selection of Indigenous story books for children available from Readings. Your child lives on Aboriginal land, and it’s never too early to start teaching them what that means.

    Clammy’s Christmas gift advice goes SJW which is hardly surprising. However, she failed to tell us from which of the 500 languages we should choose our Indigenous story books. Most likely the one that gives strongest emphasis to victimhood in Balgo Balgo.

  165. C.L.

    Great news: Lindt cafe officers issued with M4 semi-automatic rifles from today.

    But fear not. They’re experts:

    According to Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Hudson, the officers have undertaken an intensive 10 day training program to acquaint themselves with their rifles, which will be used in mobile patrols from now on.

  166. Nick

    Wiki:

    “Both of her parents are Protestants with Doria being an unspecified one and Thomas—an Episcopalian. Although Markle had attended a Catholic high school, she identified as Protestant.”

    So, Markle, a Protestant, chooses to convert to Anglicanism, still a Christian and a Protestant, and this is a problem ?

  167. Arky

    All force must eventually boil down to physical force or the threat thereof.
    No one is going to drag her to the conversion.
    No one is dragging you to the driving lessons. But they will drag you before the beak if you drive without one.
    One could foresee a situation where the bird was dragged from the palace after converting to Baptist and folowing Fred Phelps.

  168. Motelier

    Tom @ 12:48pm,

    The way things stand ATM is that two ovens, 3 pizzas each at 10 minutes a pizza gives us 36 an hour.

    An extra oven gives us the 50 an hour easily with a bit in reserve.

    So my leaning is to the third oven, and that opens up more possibilities.

    But first things first, we have to get to the 36 an hour. Thats organisation.

    I have an excel spreadsheet with this all on it as a work in progress. The target is not a gazebo, but a trailer, then to look at the franchise market.

  169. If I put a gun to your head and say, Your money OR your life, are you legally compelled to live?

    Sorry, Dover, but now you’ve gone way past full retard.

    Yes there is; the legal ‘punishment’ is the Queen withholding permission to marry
    Which she has the legal right to do for all members of the royal family to the sixth degree of succession.

    And you Nota, still haven’t learned to read and comprehend what’s written, a fault that has vexed you for as long as I have been coming here.

    Mark A is right: Time to give it away.

  170. Stimpson J. Cat

    Must be a boring day for many, so much fuss about Harry and his squeeze having or not having a choice. Ho Hum.

    Silence!
    This debate about the Ginga Nazi spawn of the Tree Whisperer and his Black Booty TV Bride to be is enthralling, exhilarating, entertainment.

  171. Makka

    Yes there is; the legal ‘punishment’ is the Queen withholding permission to marry

    Harry doesn’t need her permission to marry.

    “You always make the same stupid comment about verballing when I was merely extrapolating that any law is intended to compel people to make choices”

    No, you are a chronic verballer. You should stop it and I’ll call you out very time you verbal me. You are as bad as dot.

  172. egg_

    Your child lives on Aboriginal land, and it’s never too early to start teaching them what that means.

    A Happy Negrito Christmas, Clammy.

  173. Nick

    Instead, check out the selection of Indigenous story books for children available from Readings. Your child lives on Aboriginal land, and it’s never too early to start teaching them what that means.

    I’ll bet the story of the Gubba and the Gimme Gimme tree is a best seller

  174. Motelier

    Rabz
    #2587455, posted on December 18, 2017 at 1:31 pm
    LOL.

    Well I am sure she looked in the mirror before going out and said to herself, “Gee I look good in black.”

  175. Stan

    From the Oz. You couldn’t make this rubbish up, seriously.

    My recently cancelled subscription seems better and better value.

  176. So, Markle, a Protestant, chooses to convert to Anglicanism, still a Christian and a Protestant, and this is a problem ?

    It’s a tad more complicated, Nick.
    She converted to Ju day ism for her first marriage.

  177. Top Ender

    Ex-PM put out to pasture

    THE Young Liberals have dumped party hero and former prime minister John Howard as their patron and replaced him with three progressive women.

    Mr Howard’s office was advised last week he would no longer be the patron of the Young Liberals — a role he held for two years.

    New Young Liberals president Harry Stutchbury made the decision to replace him as patron with NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian, Defence Minister Marise Payne and former Liberal Party federal president Chris McDiven.
    Mr Stutchbury said he wanted to make a “statement” about the need for more women in the party and in leadership roles.

    The new slogan: Liberals – Too Stupid to Vote For

    Print edition of the NT News

  178. notafan

    Harry doesn’t need her permission to marry.

    Yes he does

    That is a legal fact

    The Royal Marriages Act 1772 was an act of the Parliament of Great Britain, which prescribed the conditions under which members of the British Royal Family could contract a valid marriage, in order to guard against marriages that could diminish the status of the royal house. The right of veto vested in the sovereign by this act provoked severe adverse criticism at the time of its passage.[2][3] It was repealed on 26 March 2015 as a result of the 2011 Perth Agreement. Its provisions were replaced by more limited restrictions that apply only to the first six people in the line of succession (currently Prince Charles, Prince William, Prince George, Princess Charlotte, Prince Harry, and Prince Andrew).

    Lol on MV claiming victory too

  179. Rabz

    the selection of Indigenous story books for children

    I sincerely hope Testes was not involved in the fabricating of the aforementioned stories.

  180. C.L.

    Barry Cohen has died. He was a good man. Bravely, he called out the rampant J-w hatred in the modern Labor Party.

  181. Arky

    She converted to Ju day ism for her first marriage.

    ..
    Is there any vow or bond this woman won’t break to get what she wants?
    Wise up Harry.
    It’s only vagina. There are lots out there.

  182. testpattern

    ‘Instead, check out the selection of Indigenous story books for children’

    Binjari Buk! Roki det Kenggarru looks good

    Board books

    Olkainawan kalawan loli (Lollies of All Different Colours)
    Yakai! Beibigel! (Baby Girl! Stop!)
    Ola kala en namba (Colours and Numbers)

    Picture books

    Moli det bigibigi (Molly the Pig)
    Tudei en longtaim (Now and Then)
    Fishing – lenimbat ola biginini (Fishing Know-How – Teaching Children)

    Chapter books

    Roki det kenggurru (Rocky the Kangaroo)
    Hanting gada biliken (Hunting with Billycans)
    Hanting gada trekta en treila (Hunting with a Tractor and Trailer)

    https://scontent.fper1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24294380_10214101326745527_4871760566147600104_n.jpg?oh=561d517fc5513aee4ce03a0a713fc13d&oe=5A8ACA40

  183. Rabz
    #2587455, posted on December 18, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    LOL.

    You just gotta luv modern edukashun.

  184. It’s because firms insist on experience. Just how are grads supposed to gain experience when our traitorous Govt is allowing skilled migrants in to take those places? A policy kept in place by the rent-seeking businesses in this country. It’s a bloody disgrace.

    Certain enormously profitable businesses in this country knowingly hire substandard IT people because the cost savings outweigh the competency cost, at least in theory. They know that existing experts will train them up.

    That said, it should be pointed out that China and India have more engineering graduates each year than engineers in all of Australia.

    That royal commission is looking less sillier by the day.

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    I have an excel spreadsheet with this all on it as a work in progress. The target is not a gazebo, but a trailer, then to look at the franchise market.

    So far, your great plan Motelier has dwelt mostly on this trailer/oven. I know it’s early days, but where are these pizzas going to be prepared? Sad to say, but the Health Nazis and food bigots will be showing an interest as well. One wilted anchovy and they will swoop.

  186. max

    Although Markle had attended a Catholic high school, she identified as Protestant.”

    “identified as”.

    Not the same as baptised. That must be why she has a date with the font soon.

  187. v_maet

    Top Ender @ 1:37.

    The destruction of the liberal party under Mal continues.

    How on earth can the Young Libs think that any of those women are worthy of being Patron?

  188. testpattern

    Markelmania

    Not sure the poms can trust this woman but nobody trusts the poms anyway so it could just work out.

    They will need to put her through some trials first.

    Begin by stripping and throwing her in a river to see if she sinks or floats. Ok so she’s not a witch now go to the Dr Who trial. Can she be a Dr Who assistant and fly a tardis by herself without a white alien always telling her what to do? If she can, and I’m not convinced, she gets to do the hornpipe with Mike Oldfield. But he gets to play all the instruments.

  189. Sovereign’s consent to royal marriages
    The Royal Marriages Act 1772 is repealed. Instead, only the first six persons in line to the throne require the Sovereign’s approval to marry. Marriage without the Sovereign’s consent would disqualify the person and the person’s descendants from the marriage from succeeding to the Crown. However, the marriage would still be legally valid.

    What part are you struggling to understand, Nota?

    It’s not “permission”, it’s “consent”.
    It only affects the succession, not the right to marriage.
    The marriage would still be legal.

  190. Zyconoclast

    Is the driver licence discussion heading towards freeman and sovereign citizen territory?

  191. Fisky

    Peta Credlin –

    I recall plenty of battles in the Abbott government where the then PM wanted numbers brought down to better manage population increases in our big cities because we can say new arrivals should move to regional areas, but no government has ever been able to make that policy work and more and more, they live in our biggest cities.

    That says a lot about the people Abbott had to work with, that he couldn’t get migration down from an insanely high 190,000 a year.

  192. Oh come on

    Can I back up a bit? Is this an issue of it being a good or bad thing that Markle has to switch to CofE to marry Harry? Just wondering how or why this disagreement started.

  193. C.L.

    The only reason 200,000+ migrants are brought here is to create employment for all the personnel involved in making it happen. It’s like the war on drugs in that respect. Mindless Keynesian addiction.

  194. Stimpson J. Cat

    Picture books

    Don’t forget the classics:

    “Where Is My Goon Bag?”

    and

    “Petrol Is For Cars.”

  195. Barry Cohen has died. He was a good man. Bravely, he called out the rampant J-w hatred in the modern Labor Party.

    Good, his prickling conscience was proving to be a niggling annoyance for the more zealotic J-haters in the ALP.
    Now they can get on with kristallnacht.

    Shame about his standing up against persecution, sectarianism & racism, there was no room for such a throwback in the conscience of the modern ALP.

  196. cuckoo

    Instead, check out the selection of Indigenous story books for children available from Readings.

    Saw one of those lists of Summer’s bestest books which included a novel called The Power, in which women suddenly, spontaneously develop the ability to shoot deadly electricity from their fingertips, killing men at will and becoming the dominant sex. Apparently not a comedy. And written by a morbidly obese woman who I’m betting owns cats in the double digits.

    A female colleague of mine was praising the ‘Dragon tattoo’ books because Lisbeth Salander was a good ‘role model’ for girls. I had to say, ‘You do know there are no girls who can do what Salander does, right? That it’s a wish-fulfillment fantasy, right?’

  197. Dr Faustus

    For those worrying about how George Brandis will make ends meet in London on a modest $360,000 pa salary (plus rich, creamy expenses), the package also includes a free board and lodging Official Residence at the rather lovely Stoke Lodge in South Kensington.

  198. notafan

    Comprehension lacking MV?

    The point I was making that for to marry without the Queen’s permission has legal consequences in relation to succession.

    That is all

    I’m sorry that your grigoresque pedantry prevents you from reading the implied

    Harry could marry in a Las Vegas Elvis chapel if he wanted to but he might just like the privileges attached to royalty

    As for Meghan would she have looked at him twice if he was a Walmart greeter?

    It’s all about the package.

    the point remains that marrying without the Queen’s permission has ‘legal’ consequences, that is being out of the line of succession

    and you can bet your boots that getting baptised etc is part of the deal to join the firm because that will be one of the requirements she made in granting her permission

  199. Rabz

    So have the Poms been getting any more crack over in WA?

  200. Oh come on

    Don’t forget the classics:

    “Where Is My Goon Bag?”

    and

    “Petrol Is For Cars.”

    Hahaha Stimpy’s on fire!

    Be careful, Stimps. Pesty will find a totally unfunny way to call you a racist.

  201. notafan

    consent btw as a verb
    1.
    give permission for something to happen.
    “he consented to a search by a detective”
    synonyms: agree to, assent to, allow, give permission for, sanction, accept, approve, acquiesce in, go along with, accede to, concede to, yield to, give in to, submit to, comply with, abide by, concur with, conform to
    “all the patients consented to surgery”

  202. Sorry, Dover, but now you’ve gone way past full retard.

    Not at all. If you find your own argument retarded when it is applied to a similar fact-situation, that is your fault, not mine.

  203. Makka

    Yes he does

    That is a legal fact

    In the UK but not say the US where he doesn’t need permission. Beside the point however.

    Markle isn’t being forced to convert. She is enthusiastically choosing to do so.

  204. Can I back up a bit? Is this an issue of it being a good or bad thing that Markle has to switch to CofE to marry Harry? Just wondering how or why this disagreement started.

    No, good or bad never came into it, OCO. On the previous open thread C.L. claimed Meghan was being “forced” to convert, in order to marry Harry. I queried the use of the word “force”.

  205. Mother Lode

    Your child lives on Aboriginal land, and it’s never too early to start teaching them what that means.

    Lefties really are weird.

    Aborigines for thousands of years used violence to take what they wanted. And once taken that was it.

    We came to Australia but, as far as the left is concerned it can never cease to be Aboriginal. There is a special magical connection. And although the indigines were nomadic, and no tribe of them roamed the continent or ever ‘possessed’ an area in any way comparable to Australia, much less had any idea of who or what was on the other side of the continent, we are meant to believe there is a connection that binds them all together. The Rainbow serpent cannot be mocked, but the crucifix can be put in a pot of urine because it is just a cultural artifact.

    The inescapable mysticism of lefties really is quite funny.

  206. testpattern

    ‘Perhaps Brandis can be an ablative High Commissioner’

    Political appointments to a High Commission are never a good idea. Ex pollies possess no defence against flattery, nothing in in their previous work experience has equipped them to do so. Favourite trick is to ‘leak’ to him a top secret assessment of new diplomat’s character eg

    ‘Brandis is among the best legal minds of his generation and possibly of all time. His rock solid morality and loyalty imparted a stability to both Abbott and Turnbull Governments and we assessed him at the time to be a potential leader of Churchillian calibre. Astute judges in the Foreign Office have also noted his pert buttocks…’

    Ex pollie is now yours to do with as you wish. I say there George old chap here’s that new BAE contract just sign here old boy splendid

  207. Rae

    Mr Stutchbury said he wanted to make a “statement” about the need for more women in the party and in leadership roles.

    If he wants to make a statement he should resign from being the President of the Young Liberals and allow a woman to take that role.

  208. Makka

    So have the Poms been getting any more crack over in WA?

    Dramas with the pitch Rabz. It’s wet apparently and rain showers scudding through. Looking dodgy for a start.

  209. Can I back up a bit? Is this an issue of it being a good or bad thing that Markle has to switch to CofE to marry Harry? Just wondering how or why this disagreement started.

    Here with the following:

    … the reformation made the idea of the separation of church and State possible

    That must be why Meghan Markle was recently forced to become an Anglican, right?

  210. Nick

    Picture books

    Don’t forget the classics:

    “Where Is My Goon Bag?”

    and

    “Petrol Is For Cars.”

    S is for sitdown money

  211. Fisky

    Barry Cohen has died. He was a good man. Bravely, he called out the rampant J-w hatred in the modern Labor Party.

    I never heard anyone convincingly explain why he was wrong. There was always this embarrassed silence whenever he published a column.

  212. testpattern

    “Where Is My Goon Bag?”

    Sooo yesterday. Try silver pillow.

  213. max

    Marriage in the C of E is a sacrament. The Queen would be conscious of this.

    Before you can receive a sacrament you must have received baptism.

    That may be another reason to insist.

  214. notafan

    Nope no law ever forced anyone to do anything

    It certainly can be very nudgy though

  215. DrBeauGan

    I suggest you stop using the word ‘force’ because you are using it in different ways. MV seems to use in the way physicists do. Dover uses it in the sense of coercion. Whether a threat to remove something desired by one party unless a condition is met is force may be debated ad nauseam. It is clearly coercion. The bird is being (weakly) coerced into baptism as a condition of being married and keeping certain desired things.

    I don’t imagine she regards it as a high price to pay, but it is a cost. She has to go to church and get dabbed with water when she might prefer to be watching television.

  216. Mother Lode

    Mr Stutchbury said he wanted to make a “statement” about the need for more women in the party and in leadership roles.

    Hmmm.

    The message I get from this is that it takes three women to replace one man.

    Well, that is if you are talking quality. Volume is different.

    You could fit Howard and most of his Ministry into Payne.

    And if you doused them in butter and chocolate sauce she would prove it herself.

  217. Before you can receive a sacrament you must have received baptism.

    That would simply require a person to be a baptized Christian.

  218. notafan

    … the reformation made the idea of the separation of church and State possible

    Short answer

    No it didn’t

  219. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Hunting with a Tractor and Trailer’

    Ah yes. The traditional way.

  220. Rae

    Is the driver licence discussion heading towards freeman and sovereign citizen territory?

    No lawyers involved yet, but there are developing similarities with Jarndyce v Jarndyce.

  221. ArthurB

    From the Oz of last Thursday (14 Dec, p.14 if you are interested), about art and feminism.

    “The first business of feminism is action, purposeful action, deeds as much as words. (And speech is, of course, also action)”.
    “… In an explosion of commitment-driven innovation, assertion searched for expression, equally fuelled by passion and thoughtfulness”
    “This active discursive drive has persisted across subsequent decades as we see in one key feminist trope: in works by Frances Phoenix, Fiona Foley and Kelly Doley that deal differently with the classic vaginal or vulval icon. For this icon was the site of of a struggle for feminist ways of acting in and on the world.”
    “In the early 70s, a key feminist affirmation of women’s sexual power was embodied in this vulval form, then known as “central core imagery” by proponents such as American Judy Chicago, who were looking for an authentically female image.”
    “For the entire point of Phoenix marrying women’s fancywork with vulval imagery was to make experimental conjunctions between images and materials that opened up fresh articulations for women, rather than closing them down.”

    Can any Cats tell me what the above means? Shame on the Oz for publishing such incomprehensible rubbish.

  222. Makka

    It certainly can be very nudgy though

    Sure but in this particular case it’s the carrot influencing events, not the stick.

  223. Snoopy

    No one has convinced me that Meg must convert to C of E in order to ensure Harry’s kids are raised as C of E.

  224. notafan

    It is clearly coercion.

    Yes yes it is; the point of all legal requirements, as you say some legal requirements are far more onerous than others.

    MV thinks that that any form of coercion is irrelevant because we are free to make choices.

  225. jupes

    Joshi da rooda sydda wermbatta (Josh the roadside wombat)

    LOL

  226. P

    Note that Prince Michael of Kent at the time of his marriage was 15th in line to the throne when he married an old Kincoppal girl who then became Princess Michael of Kent.

    Since the Act of Settlement 1701 prohibited anyone who married a Roman Catholic from succeeding to the throne, Prince Michael of Kent (at that time, 15th in the line of succession) forfeited his succession rights upon marrying Marie Christine.
    Prince Michael was reinstated to the line of succession on 26 March 2015 with the successful passing of the Succession to the Crown Act 2013 and is now 45th in line.
    Their children are members of the Church of England and have retained their rights of succession since birth.

  227. Oh come on

    Sooo yesterday. Try silver pillow.

    …and it’s one of those unfortunate times when someone who thinks they’re hilariously funny adds something totally unfunny to the end of something that was funny, with the purpose of making it funnier…which of course fails and makes everyone stand around and look awkwardly at their shoes.

    You do that a lot, doncha, Pesty?

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