Monday Forum: December 18, 2017

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  1. max

    dover, I gather that she “identified as” protestant without understanding that baptism was necessary.

    A trivial matter.

  2. testpattern

    ‘don’t forget the classics’

    Indeed not. The Racketty Steet Gang, and I mention it not just because of Dad’s remarkable role in having Len’s book written in the first place let alone published. I look forward to a Racketty Street renaissance and a new film, in which I am to be a cultural consultant and provide insight into it’s secret history.

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  3. Arky

    Can any Cats tell me what the above means?

    ..
    If you like pussy you are a feminist now.

  4. DrBeauGan

    Can any Cats tell me what the above means? Shame on the Oz for publishing such incomprehensible rubbish.

    It means dumb women in Australia have too much time on their hands.

  5. Motelier

    GM

    So far, your great plan Motelier has dwelt mostly on this trailer/oven. I know it’s early days, but where are these pizzas going to be prepared? Sad to say, but the Health Nazis and food bigots will be showing an interest as well. One wilted anchovy and they will swoop.

    Dough is prepared in a registered commercial kitchen, along with all of the other preperation. Only the assembly and cooking happens on-site. The gazebo ➡️ food trailer has what is called a “temporary food licence issued by the local government. When the. trailer is completed a “permament food licence” is granted by the local government and honoured by Qld Health enabling trade across the state.

    The licencing doesn’t worry us.

  6. Stimpson J. Cat

    There is Uncle Billy r$$ting Auntie Sue,
    Where is my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue?!
    There is Dad lying in his own spew,
    Where is my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue?!
    There is the KFC Dinner for Two,
    Where is my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue?!
    Time to go shopping and buy some glue,
    F$ck my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue!

  7. Makka

    It is clearly coercion.

    It’s not at all. Markle is thrilled to convert and marry Harry.

  8. Arky

    Either that or feminists are cunningly trying to put us off vag by making it remind us of shrieking foul harpies.

  9. It’s not at all. Markle is thrilled to convert and marry Harry.

    Markle would have never converted but for the requirement.

  10. Tim Neilson

    “The first business of feminism is action, purposeful action, deeds as much as words. (And speech is, of course, also action)”.

    Well, judging by that drivel, the first business of feminism certainly isn’t logic.

  11. Oh come on

    When I was forced to do some ultra-PC Indig Studies unit a few years ago, we had one whole week’s worth of work on Indigenous humour. We were all told how hilarious Aboriginals are, and how their sense of humour is astonishingly brilliant.

    I neither confirm nor deny this but I do have a tip for the (mostly) whitefella unit coordinators – if you have to tell people how funny you are, you aren’t.

    And that Black Comedy skit programme on the ABC wasn’t much of a showcase.

  12. It means dumb women in Australia have too much time on their hands.

    Nah. The definition of feminist is a dumb sheela who has never had a good root.

  13. DrBeauGan

    It’s not at all. Markle is thrilled to convert and marry Harry.

    You mean she is anxious to embrace the church of England and would have done it even if Harry didn’t exist? I suppose it’s possible. How do you know?

  14. Motelier

    Nah. The definition of feminist is a dumb sheela who has never had a good root.

    Hmmmm, is that a back arching, toe curler?

  15. No one has convinced me that Meg must convert to C of E in order to ensure Harry’s kids are raised as C of E.

    As far as I know, she doesn’t. She has to convert to CoE in order to preserve Harry’s, and any kids they have, place in the order of succession to the crown.

  16. Bruce of Newcastle

    Royal Diarrhoean…

    332 Royal Caribbean passengers sickened with stomach virus

    The number of passengers who fell ill with a stomach virus on the Independence of the Seas, a Royal Caribbean cruise ship, jumped by more than 100 over this weekend, the Naples Daily News reported Sunday.

    Standing ovation for that ship!

  17. It’s not at all. Markle is thrilled to convert and marry Harry.

    And the taxpayer is thrilled to pay taxes and work for the state.

  18. Mother Lode

    Nah. The definition of feminist is a dumb sheela who has never had a good root.

    Ah, but they have brushes.

  19. Makka

    You mean she is anxious to embrace the church of England and would have done it even if Harry didn’t exist?

    Nope. I meant exactly what I stated. Couldn’t be more simple. She’s not being forced into anything.

  20. Boambee John

    Dr Faustus
    #2587485, posted on December 18, 2017 at 1:57 pm
    For those worrying about how George Brandis will make ends meet in London on a modest $360,000 pa salary (plus rich, creamy expenses), the package also includes a free board and lodging Official Residence at the rather lovely Stoke Lodge in South Kensington.

    Unless things have changed a lot, he will have to pay a rental contribution, and also contribute to utilities costs.

  21. Geriatric Mayfly

    Can any Cats tell me what the above means?

    Gash power.

  22. Fisky

    Opposite are the bulk of his supporters: mostly the serried ranks of Labor, including Senator Wong, who has a long-term female partner, Sophie Allouache, and two daughters. There’s also Louise Pratt, an openly gay woman and mother of a little boy she co-parents with her former partner (a trans man) and two gay friends, one of whom is the biological father.

    You have to hope these kids will turn out fine.

  23. feelthebern

    Chrissy Pyne can’t wait to hit London for a party at Georges place.

  24. jupes

    There is Uncle Billy r$$ting Auntie Sue,
    Where is my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue?!
    There is Dad lying in his own spew,
    Where is my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue?!
    There is the KFC Dinner for Two,
    Where is my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue?!
    Time to go shopping and buy some glue,
    F$ck my Goon Bag I don’t have a clue!

    LOL

  25. Makka

    Does this change need to be passed through the Senate?

    “Newly-arrived migrants will have to wait longer before receiving a range of welfare payments under a hardline new approach expected to save $1.3 billion.

    It will be three years before migrants can receive Newstart or family tax benefits, paid parental leave or carer allowances.

    The push to “encourage self-sufficiency” among new migrants was one of the headline savings measures announced by Treasurer Scott Morrison in a mid-year budget outlook on Monday.

    Social Services Minister Christian Porter suspects many people would be surprised to learn migrants could access some family and parental payments immediately after arriving in Australia.”

  26. DrBeauGan

    Makka
    #2587538, posted on December 18, 2017 at 2:28 pm
    You mean she is anxious to embrace the church of England and would have done it even if Harry didn’t exist?

    Nope. I meant exactly what I stated. Couldn’t be more simple. She’s not being forced into anything.

    If I ask you to kiss Malcolm Turnbull’s bum on the understanding that if you don’t you will lose $100 a week for life, am I forcing you? Or just a little coercion perhaps?

  27. notafan

    Too many people at close quarters, not all as invested in personal hygiene as they should be again Bruce?

    I have been sick on my travels in Europe, NZ and the US, pleurisy bronchitis etc but touch wood no gastro type illnesses

    Best keep away from those filthy cruise ships and eat at first world cafes and restaurants with high turn over (and food inspector nazis around) instead, methinks

  28. notafan

    Social Services Minister Christian Porter suspects many people would be surprised to learn migrants could access some family and parental payments immediately after arriving in Australia.”

    No we aren’t

    We all know that many are here for welfare benefits, free education and medical care for all the family even if the only job availalbe is a casual one at KFC

    It’s a bargain.

  29. Tintarella di Luna

    Does this change need to be passed through the Senate?

    According to Mattias Corman it’s a definite Non, Nien, or Nee – apparently it can be done by regulation

  30. egg_

    The law decided nobody was forced to hold a driver’s licence.

    Culpability in a motor vehicle accident?

  31. Zyconoclast

    That says a lot about the people Abbott had to work with, that he couldn’t get migration down from an insanely high 190,000 a year.

    Also says a lot about Abbott.

  32. candy

    Malcolm Turnbull really pushing to reel in the racist vote. I thought migrants were citizens as opposed to illegals.

  33. Makka

    Malcolm Turnbull really pushing to reel in the racist vote. I thought migrants were citizens as opposed to illegals.

    Should have been done decades ago.

  34. egg_

    Royal Diarrhoean…

    Incontinence of the Seas?
    Where’s the Grigbot with handwash advice?

  35. Mark A

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2587535, posted on December 18, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    Royal Diarrhoean…

    332 Royal Caribbean passengers sickened with stomach virus

    LOL Not my main reason to avoid cruises but a handy reminder.

  36. John Comnenus

    What’s the bet that Antifa and ISIS remains free from the Twitter Purge despite both groups routinely advocating violence against civilians.

  37. Oh come on

    Candy brings the dumb.

  38. Fisky

    Malcolm Turnbull really pushing to reel in the racist vote. I thought migrants were citizens as opposed to illegals.

    The three-year waiting period is a poor attempt to distract from the fact that net migration hit 250,000 last year. It will mean nothing in the long-term.

  39. DrBeauGan

    If I ask you to kiss Malcolm Turnbull’s bum on the understanding that if you don’t you will lose $100 a week for life, am I forcing you? Or just a little coercion perhaps?

    The removal of perks, in this case $100 a week, in the other case the right of succession for offspring, makes all the difference, Makka.

    Of course, you might embrace kissing Malcolm’s bum and be willing to do it without the coercion. But I doubt it.

  40. Makka

    The three-year waiting period is a poor attempt to distract from the fact that net migration hit 250,000 last year. It will mean nothing in the long-term.

    Yes, exactly the issue. This could have been implemented anytime in the past but they choose now.

    BIG Australia, shoved down our throats courtesy of the Uniparty of Australia.

  41. Oh come on

    I’m sorry but the ever present danger of contracting dysentery doesn’t scream ‘luxury holiday’ to me at all.

  42. Snoopy

    Candy, if migrants are citizens from the get go, why do they bother with PR?

  43. Boambee John

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2587550, posted on December 18, 2017 at 2:38 pm
    Does this change need to be passed through the Senate?

    According to Mattias Corman it’s a definite Non, Nien, or Nee – apparently it can be done by regulation

    Regulations can be disallowed by a vote of the Senate.

    Cormann should not count his savings yet.

  44. If I ask you to kiss Malcolm Turnbull’s bum on the understanding that if you don’t you will lose $100 a week for life, am I forcing you? Or just a little coercion perhaps?

    I think maybe you belong on the full retard bench with Dover, DrBeauGan.
    A pity really, you were displaying such promise.

  45. Boambee John

    Candy

    Migrants are not citizens until they meet some quite lax provisions and are naturalised.

  46. Oh come on

    Yes, exactly the issue. This could have been implemented anytime in the past but they choose now.</blockquote

    This strikes me as a grand opportunity to guage whether the Dot/LDP solution to cut off welfare for new migrants will work as an effective deterrent. Cut it off (as Makka rightly said, this should have been done decades ago) and see how it affects migrant numbers. If dot and the LDP are right, OSB measures will become redundant. Let's give it a try!

  47. Tom

    3.40PM AEST (12.40PM WST) start at the WACA after a “lunch break”. Root has been whingeing about wet spots in the pitch. Morning showers have cleared. Radar. Satellite.

  48. Oh come on

    Yes, exactly the issue. This could have been implemented anytime in the past but they choose now.

    This strikes me as a grand opportunity to guage whether the Dot/LDP solution to cut off welfare for new migrants will work as an effective deterrent. Cut it off (as Makka rightly said, this should have been done decades ago) and see how it affects migrant numbers. If dot and the LDP are right, OSB measures will become redundant. Let’s give it a try!

  49. Regulations can be disallowed by a vote of the Senate.

    Which the government can effectively ignore.

  50. toe curler?

    before you start mote, take the pantyhose off

  51. I’ll be explicit.
    If their toes curl, it’s probably because they are wearing pantyhose.

  52. Oh come on

    Adani parts ways with mining services company Downer over proposed Carmichael mine

    Seriously, the greatest threat to the environment and the Australian people is going to be that Adani links up with Dodgy Bros to build and run their mine, because the greenies and Labor have scared away everyone else with a reputation to protect. This is how disasters happen.

  53. stackja

    Tom
    #2587570, posted on December 18, 2017 at 2:56 pm

    11.50: We’re not going to be starting in 10 minutes – instead, they will take an early lunch from 12pm (because cricket), with a view to starting the afternoon session from 12.40pm. Tea will be 3.10-3.30pm, followed by another two-and-a-half hour session. They’re still drying those troublesome areas of the WACA deck, apparently (some might point out that most areas of it have been troublesome for England’s batsmen, with the exception of Dawid Malan and Jonny Bairstow). But it seems pretty certain we are going to get on, so let’s all just settle down – Australia will get their chance to wrap things up and England can try to do something (mildly) heroic. Sport is the winner, yay

  54. Zyconoclast

    Barry Cohen has died. He was a good man. Bravely, he called out the rampant J-w hatred in the modern Labor Party.

    I never heard anyone convincingly explain why he was wrong. There was always this embarrassed silence whenever he published a column.

    He was wrong because he was a greedy bastard. Even on deaths door he had his hand in the pocket of the taxpayer trying to grab some gold for the afterlife.

  55. Makka

    Ashes to start again after lunch.

  56. Snoopy

    Seriously, the greatest threat to the environment and the Australian people is going to be that Adani sells out to Dodgy Bros (China) PLC.

  57. Oh come on

    Seriously, the greatest threat to the environment and the Australian people is going to be that Adani sells out to Dodgy Bros (China) PLC.

    Yep, that too.

  58. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    The Adani blockade and divestment terrorism is going to be a bigger disaster for Australia than the Tasmanian Dams decision.

    We are never going to be able to attract the foreign capital or expertise necessary for these projects again.

  59. candy

    Why are we accepting migrants’ applications for consideration then? Why not cut the level officially instead of this cruel business?

  60. Oh come on

    Stop clutching your pearls, candy.

  61. DrBeauGan

    I think maybe you belong on the full retard bench with Dover, DrBeauGan.
    A pity really, you were displaying such promise.

    You use the word ‘force’ in a strong sense, MV. A squad of military men dragging Makka up to Malcolm’s bare bum, pushing his face against it and holding his nose closed would be forcing him. We probably agree on that. Whether merely fining him for not doing it on his own constitutes force is a matter of how you choose to use words.

    I don’t mind being on the same bench as Dover. CL and Dover use the word in the sense of coercion. This seems quite legitimate to me, even if the perks foregone by the pair strike me as negligible.

  62. Zyconoclast

    Root has been whingeing about wet spots …

    Normally it’s whinging about the wet spots after a root.

  63. Tom

    Candy, you watch too much breakfast/daytime television, which is not the real world.

  64. Oh come on

    MV, seriously? *You*, of all people, think you have the intellectual credibility to place Dover and DrBG on the “full retard bench”??

    LOL

  65. egg_

    Seriously, the greatest threat to the environment and the Australian people is going to be that Adani links up with Dodgy Bros* to build and run their mine

    *With Gummint links – nudge, nudge, wink, wink…

  66. Mother Lode

    Just quietly I would love to see some shareholders taking directors to court for all the opportunities they are squandering and all the returns on their shares they are being denied.

    It would only take one to win to set a precedent (not in the legal sense), then we could sit back and watch the rest of them panic.

  67. notafan

    I hope this young man gets millions, millions in damages

    A rape trial against a student spectacularly collapsed after texts emerged from the alleged victim in which she told a friend the sex ‘wasn’t against my will’.

    Liam Allan, 22, was ‘dragged through hell’ for two years after police failed to provide messages proving his innocence to his defence team.

    In the texts, the alleged victim asked for more sex after the attack was said to have taken place.

    And one of the messages irrefutably cleared Mr Allan.

    Sent to a female friend during a discussion on her sexual experiences with Mr Allan on September 3 2015, before she had made a complaint, the accuser said: ‘It wasn’t against my will or anything.’

    k‘It wasn’t against my will’: Text message that irrefutably cleared an innocent student of rape is revealed as he vows to SUE police and CPS over his bungled case

  68. Makka

    1)Why are we accepting migrants’ applications for consideration then? 2) Why not cut the level officially instead of this cruel business?

    1) Because Big Australia is what we are going to get, like it or not.

    2) Refer answer 1).

  69. DrBeauGan

    And I speak as someone who is fifty millionth in line to the throne of England.

  70. Ez

    The push to “encourage self-sufficiency” among new migrants was one of the headline savings measures announced by Treasurer Scott Morrison in a mid-year budget outlook on Monday.

    Instead of looking for a pat on the back for delaying the day till their vote-herd attaches itself to the public teet, get back to me when you’re serious about keeping these unemployable goat-bothers out.

  71. Makka

    You’ll need a bigger shovel Dr BG. That’s a lot of bullshit you’re trying to move.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Normally it’s whinging about the wet spots after a root.

    Feminism is making him sleep in the wet spot.

  73. Fisky

    I predict a 3-year Centrelink wait will have almost no effect on migration levels.

  74. Rae

    Standing ovation for that ship!

    Not really. It’s a Freedom Class ship.

  75. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I predict a 3-year Centrelink wait will have almost no effect on migration levels.

    The idea that they are here for welfare fraud is crazy.

    They are here for all the other frauds available to them!

  76. Fisky

    Not sure how the NDIS gets funded if we ban foreign investment.

  77. Boambee John

    memoryvault
    #2587572, posted on December 18, 2017 at 2:56 pm
    Regulations can be disallowed by a vote of the Senate.

    Which the government can effectively ignore.

    What part of “disallowed” do you not understand? They are subordinate legislation, subject to Parliamentary approval.

  78. calli

    Marriage in the C of E is a sacrament. The Queen would be conscious of this.

    Only two. Baptism and Holy Communion.

  79. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    At the current rate Adani won’t need to build the mine. Every Indian will have migrated here.

  80. stackja

    12.30 pm They delay continues. Play, under revised conditions, would have started in 10 minutes’ time but that looks unlikely with the groundstaff back tending to the pitch. “There are currently half-a-dozen people standing on a good length, about where the crack is, ‘working on the pitch.’ We’re losing overs again now,” George hoots from the WACA.

  81. Fisky

    Memoryvault would make a cracking Politics and Law teacher. “Did you know there is a secret provision to our Constitution allowing an obscure radiography lab in Canberra to override all decisions of the so-called Executive Council?? I bet THEY about THAT in your ATAR exam!”

  82. Fisky

    I bet THEY won’t ask you about THAT…

  83. Makka

    I predict a 3-year Centrelink wait will have almost no effect on migration levels.

    Look above at the report I posted last night. Skilled and family make up the numbers. Morrison is on a squirrel exercise to divert from Big Australia. You watch, Labor will not challenge on this because it’s an unspoken bi-partisan policy.

  84. DrBeauGan

    Makka
    #2587596, posted on December 18, 2017 at 3:26 pm
    You’ll need a bigger shovel Dr BG. That’s a lot of bullshit you’re trying to move.

    😁

    You don’t strike me as the bum kissing sort, Makka. And definitely not Malcolm’s. Please don’t tell me if I’m wrong about this.

  85. Ez

    After three years of increasing arrivals, Centrelink cuts, and a skyrocketing crime rate; PM Shorten will ride to the rescue with Labor’s cuddly, caring (and more expensive then ever) ‘support package’ for disaffected migrants.

    It will receive bipartisan support.

  86. Dr Faustus

    Unless things have changed a lot, he will have to pay a rental contribution, and also contribute to utilities costs.

    Hope so.

    Knight Frank says that rent on a decent, furnished 5 bed/3 reception apartment in the green area of South Kensington – with access to a private garden – is about GBP8,500/week. Say around A$780,000, including a few bob in the gas meter.

  87. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s a Freedom Class ship.

    Presumably they’ve equipped the newer class with more toilets…

    I think it’s hilarious after so much discussion of Ovation and cruises of doom that the sister ship should be stricken so soon after.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    I hope nobody dies. It must be a serious risk given the age of so many passengers. I’m sorry for the poor cleaners too.

  89. calli

    It’s a Sign, Bruce. Next people will be getting crook in ‘planes.

  90. I think maybe you belong on the full retard bench with Dover, DrBeauGan.
    A pity really, you were displaying such promise.

    You use the word ‘force’ in a strong sense, MV.

    It is a silly sense of the term applied to human conduct. The only meaningful sense of the term ‘force’ applied to human conduct is the one applied to the will, which involves coercion. The armed robber coerces the will of the innocent, unjustly, by threatening harm to the person, their loved ones, or their property. The state coerces obedience to the criminal law, justly, by threats of punishment for malfeasance. There is simply no question that Markle would not have converted but for the laws relating to succession, and for no other reason.

  91. Mark from Melbourne

    Dough is prepared in a registered commercial kitchen, along with all of the other preparation.

    Mote, I have been following your efforts with interest, and reckon you are on a winner.

    How does the above work in a franchise structure, do you envisage?

  92. Oh come on

    I predict a 3-year Centrelink wait will have almost no effect on migration levels.

    Nonsense. It is agreed by all LDP policymakers and writers that ‘taking the sugar off the table’ will stop immigration in its tracks.

  93. jupes

    Why are we accepting migrants’ applications for consideration then? Why not cut the level officially instead of this cruel business?

    Why not both?

  94. Oh come on

    These people have never been known to be wrong.

  95. Makka

    You don’t strike me as the bum kissing sort, Makka. And definitely not Malcolm’s. Please don’t tell me if I’m wrong about this.

    If you are trying to equate kissing Mal’s ring piece with converting to CoE- and in so doing sharing in over 400 million POUNDS STERLING of wealth and property, my children becoming heirs to a goodly portion of that wealth , living forever in luxury and marrying the person I love – well I’m not buying it. There is zero equivalency.

    Like I said, there is no stick being applied here. There is however a great big fking carrot. FFS keep it real.

  96. notafan

    Not much directly hear about Australian Aborigines but still some strong similiarities

    and lol on the similar affluence levels to the modern west

    romantacizing the hunter gatherer

  97. Geriatric Mayfly

    Knight Frank says that rent on a decent, furnished 5 bed/3 reception apartment in the green area of South Kensington – with access to a private garden – is about GBP8,500/week. Say around A$780,000, including a few bob in the gas meter.

    But, is it close to the shops, the tram, private schools and the beach?

  98. Motelier

    How does the above work in a franchise structure, do you envisage?

    Haven’t dreamt about that Mark.

    MrsM and I will prolly own and rent the trailers with controls on the output.

    Early days yet, but it keeps the brain ticking over. Lots to think about, but as an idea pops up a new page on the spreadsheet is opened.

  99. stackja

    12.40 pm It’s inspection time!. Whisper it quietly (and in a language you’re sure rain and wet patches won’t understand) but there is a chance that play will get under way at 1pm.

    Drew Olarenshaw has run out of chill pills: “This really is amateur stuff from the ground-staff. They need to do a better job of ensuring that play can start when the weather isn’t around. We saw a very similar situation in Adelaide where the ground-staff were slow in getting the covers off, meaning play could not resume when it was supposed to, and then rain continued that would have been ordinarily been played through “

  100. rickw

    The three-year waiting period is a poor attempt to distract from the fact that net migration hit 250,000 last year. It will mean nothing in the long-term.

    For some perspective, on D Day, the Allies landed around 150,000 men in Normandy.

    That’s a measure of how completely fucked we are with this invasion.

  101. Mark A

    calli
    #2587615, posted on December 18, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    It’s a Sign, Bruce. Next people will be getting crook in ‘planes.

    Been on a plane lately?
    Not a chance. Inedible, I should know, frequent flyer.

  102. You use the word ‘force’ in a strong sense, MV.

    I used the word “force” with precisely the same meaning as the commentor I was replying to,
    Dr BeauGan. Unlike some here, I don’t re-interpret other people’s comments so I can spring irrelevant “gotcha’s” and create supposedly clever strawmen. There is nothing “coercive” in the manner and tone that C.L. used the word “force”, and I replied in kind.

    If you, Dover, OCO, and Nota want to change the whole discussion by substituting the more gentle, persuasive “coercion” for C.L.’s “force”, so be it. Just don’t kid yourselves that you are commenting on anything remotely to do with the original discussion.

  103. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    If you are trying to equate kissing Mal’s ring piece with converting to CoE- and in so doing sharing in over 400 million POUNDS STERLING of wealth and property, my children becoming heirs to a goodly portion of that wealth , living forever in luxury and marrying the person I love – well I’m not buying it. There is zero equivalency.

    As well as forcing her to convert to the CofE, you should see the pre-nup she has been forced to sign.

  104. What part of “disallowed” do you not understand? They are subordinate legislation, subject to Parliamentary approval.

    Two words, John.
    Alcopop tax.

    I’ve got some more, when you’re ready for them.

  105. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’d like to thank whoever on the Cat who recommended “Invisible Invaders – Smallpox and other diseases in Aboriginal Australia.” – Judy Campbell. Interesting reading, to say the least.

  106. EvilElvis

    AEMO putting their propaganda shit out today, how fucking convenient that we in WA are getting a hurry up to go renewable from these treasonous dogs.

    Electricity prices on East coast to fall in two years thanks to more renewables, WA prices to rise over same period… Fuck me drunk.

  107. jupes

    romantacizing the hunter gatherer

    Anyone who is stupid enough to believe that a hunter gatherer society is superior to civilisation should be forced to take their clothes off and go for a year-long trek through the desert.

  108. notafan

    If you, Dover, OCO, and Nota want to change the whole discussion by substituting the more gentle, persuasive “coercion” for C.L.’s “force”, so be it.

    Good one MV

    and that after you pretended that give consent to didn’t mean the same as give permission to.

    Only a prevaricator like you would pretend that anyone thought Meghan would would be walking down the aisle with a knife held to her throat, her parents held in a dungeon and her life forfeit if she did not agree.

  109. DrBeauGan

    Like I said, there is no stick being applied here. There is however a great big fking carrot. FFS keep it real.

    The point is, if she doesn’t convert, she doesn’t get the carrot. Just as if you don’t kiss Malcolm’s arse, you don’t get the hundred bucks. You and I would probably accept the forfeit. But it is a forfeit. In both cases. She thought Paris worth a mass. I might do the same, but I’m not sure.

  110. Dr Faustus

    But, is it close to the shops, the tram, private schools and the beach?

    A single stop on the Tube to Harrods, and three to Westminster School.
    The beach is more problematic; muddy sand and WW2 bombs down to Canterbury, then shingle pretty much all the way to Cornwall. Still, I see George as more of a bobbing turd than a surfer.

  111. Mark A

    Mark A
    #2587628, posted on December 18, 2017 at 3:59 pm

    calli
    #2587615, posted on December 18, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    It’s a Sign, Bruce. Next people will be getting crook in ‘planes.

    What worried me more is the people with obvious signs of flu on the plane, never heard as much coughing and seen kids chucking up as on the last flight.
    I survived the flight from Europe on a glass of red.

  112. Like I said, there is no stick being applied here. There is however a great big fking carrot. FFS keep it real.

    Oh, so you can’t coerce people through the payment of bribes.

  113. notafan

    force

    noun 2)

    coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence.
    “they ruled by law and not by force”
    synonyms: coercion, compulsion, constraint, duress, oppression, enforcement, harassment, intimidation, threats, pressure, pressurization, influence; More

  114. Top Ender

    Search on for missing submarine AE1

    The AE1 marked Australia’s first big setback in World War I.

    On September 14, 1914, it did not return from a patrol hunting for Imperial German Navy warships in the waters of what was then German New Guinea, which an Australian naval expeditionary force had started to capture for the allies in the first weeks of the war.

    Thomas, the other 34 members of the crew and the AE1 are still missing, but that could change within the next fortnight, possibly as early as today.

    One-hundred-and-three years after it vanished without a trace somewhere in the waters off the archipelago of islands that make up Papua New Guinea, a new hunt is under way for the AE1.

    The search vessel Fugro Equator is on station in the search area in the Duke of York Island group.

    I had a little bit to do with this some years back. A Top End scuba diver, George Tyers, who used to work in the PNG area, claimed he dived on a sunken submarine. I passed the possible location onto the Navy, but nothing was found in the area. George was an excellent salvage diver, and dived on the Cyclone Tracy lost wreck Booya some years before it was officially found. The exploratory dives confirmed George’s description.

    Here’s hoping AE1 is found.

    Link

  115. Cassie of Sydney

    I went for a late lunch today and walked down Martin Place and observed three symbols of 3 religions…..Christmas tree at the bottom near George Street, Hanukkah menorah at the top near Macquarie Street and bollards in the middle.

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyone who is stupid enough to believe that a hunter gatherer society is superior to civilisation should be forced to take their clothes off and go for a year-long trek through the desert.

    I’d like to see a few faux Aboriginals complete that exercise, indeed.

  117. Look above at the report I posted last night. Skilled and family make up the numbers. Morrison is on a squirrel exercise to divert from Big Australia. You watch, Labor will not challenge on this because it’s an unspoken bi-partisan policy.

    Spot on Makka. One great big misdirection. Meanwhile real estate continues to become the impossible dream, and power is set for another 48% hike.

  118. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I went for a late lunch today and walked down Martin Place and observed three symbols of 3 religions…..Christmas tree at the bottom near George Street, Hanukkah menorah at the top near Macquarie Street and bollards in the middle.

    Very true.

  119. Makka

    Oh, so you can’t coerce people through the payment of bribes.

    Lot’s of choices in life, dover. Meghan is being presented with hers. She’s not being forced into doing anything. Try to be thankful she’s on the same team.

  120. I went for a late lunch today and walked down Martin Place and observed three symbols of 3 religions…..Christmas tree at the bottom near George Street, Hanukkah menorah at the top near Macquarie Street and bollards in the middle.

    That is very good. Bollards as the symbol of Islam.

  121. calli

    Been on a plane lately?

    Just a bit, MarkA. No parachutes, unfortunately. 😀

  122. jupes

    Like I said, there is no stick being applied here. There is however a great big fking carrot. FFS keep it real.

    Oh, so you can’t coerce people through the payment of bribes.

    Shut up you lot.

    The cricket is on.

  123. Makka

    That wicket is looking almost unplayable.

  124. dopey

    ABC News: French sailor Francois Gabart sets new solo round the world record of 42 days.
    Bastard probably cheated.

  125. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    That wicket is looking almost unplayable.

    The game should have been abandoned after the incompetence of the ground staff compromised the wicket.

  126. Oh come on

    If you, Dover, OCO, and Nota want to change the whole discussion by substituting the more gentle, persuasive “coercion” for C.L.’s “force”, so be it.

    Pretty dishonest, MV. I don’t actually give a rat’s about whatever it is you’re discussing. But I figure the people you’re arguing against are likely correct as you’re willing to lie about it.

  127. JC

    More than 300 passengers became ill on a Royal Caribbean cruise out of Florida last week, the second time in less than a month that sickness swept through passengers and crew on one of the cruise line’s ships.

    Royal Caribbean said 332 cases of gastrointestinal illness were reported on the Independence of the Seas before it returned Saturday to Port Everglades, Fla., after a five-night cruise.

    Victoria Nolan of Genesee, N.Y., told WPLG-TV that she and six of 15 of her relatives on the ship fell ill. She described a horrific scene of people throwing up in elevators while going to the ship’s medical facility. Nolan said she also went, but returned to her room after realizing the wait for medical assistance was more than four hours.

    “It’s not their fault that it happened, but the way they handled it after people started getting sick made it 10 times worse,” Nolan said.

    Cruise trips are death traps.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/12/17/hundreds-get-sick-royal-caribbean-cruise-again/959102001/

  128. DrBeauGan

    I used the word “force” with precisely the same meaning as the commentor I was replying to,
    Dr BeauGan.

    If the commenter was CL I very much doubt that.

    You are entitled to use words in any way you please, and so is CL. The price you pay in making an idiosyncratic choice is that people will misunderstand you, and if you don’t recognise your choice as idiosyncratic, you will not understand them. This will lead to arguments. You’ve proved that.

  129. Dr Faustus

    NSW Police squad issued with Colt M4 Carbine rifles to protect NYE crowds from terror threat

    Christ, I realise we are approaching the peak Islamic rage time of year, but it didn’t work out too well the last time the NSW cops broke out the big boy’s kit.

  130. Uh oh

    Heard it on the ABC this morning. The cost of electricity will be coming down as more cheaper, subsidised renewables come on line. One day (but it’s still a fair way off) the penny will finally drop.

  131. JC

    NFL fucked. Good.

    As the NFL copes with a ratings slump and ESPN slashes $80 million in salaries after losing 15,000 subscribers a day in October, another major issue facing the league continued to play out in week 15 – terrible attendance.

    While many blame the kneeing epidemic of unpatriotic players refusing to stand for the National Anthem – which started in the summer 2016 pre-season by former San Francisco 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick, others point to a boring season, cord cutters and broke millennials staying home.

    Either way, it’s ugly. Since most NFL attendance figures are based on “tickets distributed” as opposed to actual turnstile count, and most NFL ticket sales are to season-ticket holders, it’s nearly impossible to tell how many people are simply choosing not to attend games for which they’ve already bought tickets. Except, pictures don’t lie…

    MetLife Stadium was a ghost town at the end of the first quarter, and “1/2 full” as the Philadelphia Eagles and NY Giants headed into the 4th quarter:

    AFL needs to watch carefully, because this could happen to them.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Part Two (as promised in Part One around 10.30 last night): Wit and Wundy Tours.

    Lesbian Albatross: We’ve been before to Dunedin, when Hairy was invited to the gracious 1872 stone buildings of the University of Otago; now closed to tourists, says our driver. It’s a town I like a lot, beautifully situated on a grand set of bays, a new experience as we sail into them. We traverse on a tour all along the extensive Otago peninsula, new to us, admiring from the coast-hugging road the watery aspects, which produce a genuinely Scottish feeling of remoteness, as in the Western Isles and Orkney. Our tour takes us firstly to the colony of Royal Albatross that has established itself since around 1900 on a gently sloping windswept cliff at the end of this long peninsula. They arrived here pushed out by a drought at that time from the main colony on Chatham Island.

    It is a good day, says the driver, not wit, but quite wundy, which will be gud for attracting the birds. He tells us that officially, Otago is now ‘in drought’ and they can’t uses hoses on the gardens. We are surprised as all seems quite green still, and especially as, even while he speaks, there is a slight drizzle falling. Ut hisn’t rained for three weeks now, he says portentiously, and we are gutting wurried. Hairy and I suppress our laughter at the three week drought. Ut’s climate change, he says, which we are also told is affecting the albatross, due to some hot days lately. Nobody points out that the albatross actually chose to settle in a sub-optimal area compared to a cold southern ocean island and that population pressures were the more likely cause of their migration. New Zealanders, even the sensible small business ones, are still drinking the climate Kool-Aid, and we wonder where the skeptical Scots have all gone, leaving only their accent in memory. We pass by small villages composed of ‘crubs’ (NZ for cribs, which is what they call small holiday homes when they are not ‘batches’ (NZ for bach, the same, pronounced with a ‘t’ like the Russian dacha. The accent fascinates, as it did last time we were in the South Island and asked about a Teraroa on the menu: ut’s a fush, we were told. Reminds me too of another fishy tale, on the ship. Our Russian friend Natalia was asking the waiter about the ‘fish of the day’. What place this fish comes from? she asked, as it was a name we couldn’t locate either. Where it comes from? she repeated. He didn’t know either but made a brave effort: ‘from the sea, Madam, it comes from the sea’.

    As we drive up we see these magnificent birds, the Royal Albatross, over a metre in wingspan, edge-on swooping and diving in the gusting thermals like some engineered piece of Leonardo’s aeronautical imagination. There is a webcam on the babies being incubated and other highlights which Cats might enjoy (www.doc.govt.nz/royalcam), and we were also able to get very close from a soundproof ‘hide’ on the clifftop, a decent haul up, where we watch two young adult birds beginning their mating rituals in the start of their search for their permanent mate-for-life. They only breed every second year, so there is not a lot of sex involved, but an enormous amount of affection. They cuddle and snook up with each other and the young male does a muscle-flexing wing-power display for his girl’s admiration, while she fusses about fluffing feathers, the equivalent to him of batting her beady eyes. Preening teens, just like those onboard the ‘Ovation’, I think to myself, sorting out the world and its joyous promise while the blood runs hot.

    It’s hard not to anthropomorphise them, says the guide, a very pretty and well-informed part-Maori girl, for these birds really do display human-like interactions, although once hooked-up human teens don’t depart into the air for seven years not touching ground again till mating time, as the albatross do; they are a true sea bird, sleeping on water. In the hide they have mock-ups of chicks, letting you feel their true weight at various times in their growth, which takes about a year. They become extremely heavy (I could hardly lift the final stage chick), too heavy to fly, and the parents then put them on a diet, standing at tantalizing distances making the chicks walk further to get their parent supplied decreased diet. Then they practice flight on the slopes till they are away; grown. Off to the University of the Air.

    One pair in particular took our attention. These are the two notorious ‘lezzos’, two female birds who have hitched up and already sat on one load of eggs, for each female has produced her egg. They are very attached to each other and excellent mothers, said the guide. Mothers? How come? Well, says the guide, at first we thought both eggs would be infertile, but someone’s been up to some hanky-panky, for one has been fertilized; they had a little chick together two years ago, and are now incubating another. The males do not seem to make homosexual pairs, but they do, says our guide, have some messy divorces. Mostly it is the females who will divorce an underperforming male. We have one male bird, she explains, who has been ‘married’ three times; each time he gets kicked out, and has to go and find another mate, competing with all the young fellows, getting older and sadder every time.

    They too are such stuff as dreams are made on, I whisper to Hairy, as we depart the Royal Albatross for Larnach Castle.

    Lairds in Fake Castles: Larnach Castle is an oversized house, basically Gothic Revival Italianate, with battlements on its frontages and a battlemented tower accessed by a battlemented turret. It is set on a 300 metre high rise and has spectacular views over the whole of the spreading Otago harbor and peninsula, especially from the turret way above the planted treeline. The planned formal gardens are justly famous, judged as ‘of International Significance’. Three stories high, the ‘castle’ building’s second story is surrounded by a verandah, initially open, but filled in later with imported Venetian Murano glass to improve livability.

    Two hundred workmen commenced construction in 1871 for three years, and skilled European craftsmen were imported over the next twelve years to create the impressive interiors we see today, featuring Belgian mosaic tiles and a Minton ceramic floor. Panelling is elaborately carved with many spindle-forms, one highly carved ceiling taking three Italian specialists nearly seven years to complete. Woods are ebony, oak, kauri, teak and mahogany. This mansion has the rooms you would expect: large formal dining room, music room, Ladies’ withdrawing room, Gentlemen’s smoking room (ruined the ceiling there, they did), a library and an experimental double-glazed master bedroom plus other bedrooms and hideaway spaces, as well as a nursery with a cupboard for the nanny to sleep in. All furnishings are either originals or genuine antiques, sourced by the owners who purchased the derelict building 50 years ago after it had fallen into general decay.

    As with the Durack fortune that assisted the settlement of the Kimberly district in Western Australia, the money came from the gold rush era (in both Australia and New Zealand), in this case a ‘Richard Mahoney’ recognition of the value of being a middleman, taking a cut in gold for transporting it safely, for provisioning the goldfields, and then making astute investments in livestock and banking. There is an impressive foresight of management by the pater familias, a Mr. Larnach of the Scottish clan of Sutherland, with an eye to creating his own family dynasty. Like old Irish Patrick (Patsy) Durack, Larnach increased his wealth to make gentlemen of his sons, ladies of his daughters. He worked all his life for his family and his beloved first wife Lucy. When Lucy died aged 37 he married her half-sister who was living with them. When this woman too died aged only 37, he was for years a widower, building up his fortune and his district, becoming a Member of the NZ Parliament, his sons at Oxbridge, his daughters appeased at home in 1887 by the addition of a magnificent ballroom. By this time too, he had fallen for the undoubted charms of Constance, twenty-two years younger, whose bridal gown at their wedding is on display. Constance was a cat among the pigeons though for the sons, inheritance being what it was.

    The great ballroom was also last gasp of his wealth. For the cruel 1890’s depression that so dogged Patsy Durack’s later years, diminishing his dream, completely finished off Larnach. The family saga descends into tragedy. His stock died in stockyards for lack of money to hire stockmen and shepherds, his lands were sold off for debt, he was having difficulty hanging on to his palatial dreaming at his Castle, the antiques would have to be sold. He recalled his sons from England to hear the dreadful news, and his eldest repaid him by starting a scandalous affair with his young wife Constance. Ruined, heartbroken, Larnack retreat to Wellington’s old Parliament House with his handgun and blew his brains out all over the curtains and carpet.

    I had not realized any of this story when we sat under the chandeliers having Devonshire tea with big golden Scottish scones with jam and clotted cream in the many windowed long ballroom; windows roped with heavy braided curtains, watched by the two antlered stags beheaded at bay on the far wall, before our tour of the place. I purchased the book of this story for Hairy for Christmas so that I could pursue it and tell you all some more, perhaps later.

    Will sign off now on 2 good NZ ideas: logging is NZ’s fourth largest export earner and income. Towering stacks of Radiata pine logs with wide alleyways between them are the scenic attraction on all of the wharves we drew up against. It’s time-wasting fun from our ship balcony to watch busy men driving heavy equipment stacking them and unstacking them for transport to make paper locally, a value add before export to China, or to send of raw to China; for that is where they all go. Every last one of them makes China its woodchip and paper products. The Chinese oversee the production on the large plantations.

    But those plantations are only leased for fifty years. China provides the management and infrastructure development with some NZ employment, but they do not own the land. Do we do any of this in Australia?
    The land still belongs to NZ, people will proudly tell you. We are not selling off the farm.

    Another good idea came from looking at the skateboard facility made for Wellington’s teens. Teens are told it is the law that if they get caught making any graffiti on it, their mum and dad will be required to take up provided equipment and come down for several hours to scrub it all off. That idea has possibilities. We note that unlike any other teenage skateboard facility we have ever seen, there is not a skerrick of graffiti on it.

    Part the Third: Jacinta, earthquakes political and otherwise, Hobbits, wineries and a fabulous Gallipoli exhibition all to come.

  133. Fisky

    Memoryvault, the alcopop tax was passed by the Senate. No doubt it also had to be approved by the mysterious Federation Chamber too, but on the face of things, based on information we were allowed to know, it was a legitimate tax.

  134. JC

    No doubt it also had to be approved by the mysterious Federation Chamber too,

    LOl.

  135. egg_

    romantacizing the hunter gatherer

    Anyone who is stupid enough to believe that a hunter gatherer society is superior to civilisation should be forced to take their clothes off and go for a year-long trek through the desert.

    LOL
    Imagine tree huggers sans mobile phones… and trees!

  136. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    An aboriginal uprising appears imminent.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    while going to the ship’s medical facility

    All instructions re such illness on the ‘Ovation’ was to remain in your room and ring a special number. A medical team would arrive immediately to assess and assist you. On no account go to the medical centre, was our instruction.

    We and everyone else stayed hale and hearty though.
    In spite of Dunedin’s delicious clam chowder (I do so love a good seafood chowder).

  138. Chris

    What worried me more is the people with obvious signs of flu on the plane, never heard as much coughing and seen kids chucking up as on the last flight.

    Last year I had my FIFO return flight and an ugly flu. Costs a lot to change flights and buggers everyone around so I bought those Japanese tourist travel masks and just flew. Once people realised I was doing it to stop them getting sick from me, not me getting sick, they generally appreciated it – however my general manager gave me absolute shit for looking like a complete flaming wally.
    Fair call.

  139. jo

    Motelier, I have a woodfired oven, pizzas cook in 4 minutes 3 at a time, less with thin bases. High bottom heat works best, not too much topping. Sorry, Hawaiian is not a pizza.

  140. Chris

    An aboriginal uprising appears imminent.

    Ooooh goody. Bags the M60.

  141. DrBeauGan

    It would be great to be on the same bench as Dover. We could have long arguments about God without distracting anyone from important things like cricket.

  142. Makka

    These dudes?

    “A medical team would arrive immediately to assess and assist you.”

  143. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ooooh goody. Bags the M60.

    I’ll be your Number 2..still remember the I.A’s and stoppages.

  144. But I figure the people you’re arguing against are likely correct as you’re willing to lie about it.

    Yeah, that’s me, OCO, lying about it. Here’s the relevant string of comments by C.L. Please feel free to point out to all and sundry where I “lied about it”.

    First
    That must be why Meghan Markle was recently forced to become an Anglican, right?
    Second
    Yes, forced. No conversion, no marriage.
    Third
    No, she was forced to convert on pain of being denied marriage to Harry.

    ———————————
    I repeat what I have maintained all along. Meghan was not “forced” convert to anything, in order to marry Harry. But if she and Harry wanted to preserve their future children’s place in the succession, she had to be baptised in the Anglican church. The original discussion was all about whether or not she was “forced” to convert, in order to get married.

    She wasn’t. End of story.

  145. stackja

    Makka
    #2587672, posted on December 18, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Or Victor NSFW?

  146. calli

    Did you manage to get up to Olveston House, Lizzie. First time I’d ever seen a bumble bee.

  147. notafan

    Poetry in motion?

    Projectile fired at Israel’s south falls short, hits Beit Hanoun home of Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri’s brother, who is also a top terror operative • IDF official: Gaza terrorists are destroying the future of Gaza residents with their own hands.

    Rocket fired at Israel by Gaza terrorists hits Hamas official’s home

  148. Oh come on

    You aren’t the brightest spark, are you, MV? You can’t even keep track of your lies.

    You lied here:

    If you, Dover, OCO, and Nota want to change the whole discussion by substituting the more gentle, persuasive “coercion” for C.L.’s “force”, so be it.

    I do not want and have never wanted to change the whole discussion – in fact, I don’t really care about whatever it is you disagree on.

  149. Boambee John

    MV at 1602

    The alcopop tax was a legislative measure, not a regulation.

    Next?

  150. Enjoyed reminiscing about my own experiences in the places you have written about today Lizzie.
    Looking forward to part the third.

    PS I’m slowly changing my opinion that you are a Year 12 student practicing creative writing for English Extension 2. (Smiles).

  151. Fisky

    Megyn Markle should tread carefully joining that royal family. If they suddenly take a disliking to you then…avoid the roads especially tunnels is all I’m saying.

  152. herodotus

    Christian Porter tipped to take over from Haggis Brandis.
    Beware the Ides of March, young Porter. Be even more wary of the Ideas of Mal.

  153. Mark A

    jo
    #2587669, posted on December 18, 2017 at 4:33 pm

    Motelier, I have a woodfired oven, pizzas cook in 4 minutes 3 at a time, less with thin bases. High bottom heat works best, not too much topping. Sorry, Hawaiian is not a pizza.

    I concur. But hard to maintain a wood fired pizza oven on the move.

  154. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Projectile fired at Israel’s south falls short, hits Beit Hanoun home of Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri’s brother, who is also a top terror operative • IDF official: Gaza terrorists are destroying the future of Gaza residents with their own hands.

    Rather a spectacular “own goal!”

  155. Memoryvault, the alcopop tax was passed by the Senate.

    No, Fisky, the alcopop tax was rejected by the Senate for two years, during which time it was nonetheless collected. It became quite an embarrassment for the government at the time. It was eventually passed after an election that saw a change in the make-up of the Senate.

    The germane point to this discussion is that the government ignored the lack of Senate approval, and collected the tax anyway.

  156. Fisky

    This coming Australia Day, aside from being subject to the usual boycott by testiespattern, also happens to be the 30th anniversary of Memoryvault’s Aboriginal Revolution!

    A celebratory scotch on the rocks at Zulu’s very expensive retirement ranch, Memoryvault?

  157. Oh come on

    Hahahaha! Good times, indeed.

  158. JC

    An aboriginal uprising appears imminent.

    Using AK47s stored in Laurie Connell’s basement.

  159. DrBeauGan

    ———————————
    I repeat what I have maintained all along. Meghan was not “forced” convert to anything, in order to marry Harry. But if she and Harry wanted to preserve their future children’s place in the succession, she had to be baptised in the Anglican church. The original discussion was all about whether or not she was “forced” to convert, in order to get married.

    Technically, you are right, MV. But context matters. CL was referring to what an Anglican would regard as a proper marriage for a prince of the blood. The possibility of them nicking off to a registry office probably didn’t occur to anyone except you.

    You get full marks for imagination.

  160. Oh come on

    The Aboriginal revolution which would be put down by a whitelash, correct?

  161. mc

    Using AK47s stored in Laurie Connell’s basement.

    I’m sorry but that would be cultural appropriation.

  162. Motelier

    Motelier, I have a woodfired oven, pizzas cook in 4 minutes 3 at a time, less with thin bases. High bottom heat works best, not too much topping. Sorry, Hawaiian is not a pizza.

    Thanks jo

  163. Gab

    Am going to enjoy your dispatches, Lizzie
    when I read them after Christmas! Only time I have to do so. Have bookmarked parts I & II and hope I won’t miss part III. Cheers.

  164. Geriatric Mayfly

    A single stop on the Tube to Harrods, and three to Westminster School.

    I know Dr Beau. I used to live around the corner in Queen’s Gate. Such selling points that excite Australian estate agents, would not enter the heads of Frank Knight’s crew.

  165. JC

    The Aboriginal revolution which would be put down by a whitelash, correct?

    I wonder what happened to the AK47s? Surely the Federation Chamber would know where they are. It’s a wonder the Chamber hasn’t instigated the uprising.

  166. C.L.

    Looks like the Chinese don’t want any Mays/Gillards/Blighs/Vanstones/Clintons, et hoc genus omne

    Chinese university sparks controversy over class teaching women to ‘shut up’.

    … “women should talk less, do more housework and shut their mouths”, according to an AFP report.

    The teacher in the class in the northeastern province of Liaoning, also told students that “women should not strive to move upwards in society, but should always remain at the bottom level”.

    Let’s not rush to judgement here.

  167. Oh come on

    It seems that MV failed to cite Charles Manson’s ‘helter skelter’ model of race war when he dreamt up his Aboriginal revolution and the subsequent counter-revolution.

    MV does seem rather susceptible to cultism so it doesn’t surprise me that he’d be an admirer of Manson’s work.

  168. Fisky

    JC, Alan Bond’s job was to kickstart the Black Revolution. I believe the Federation Chamber was tasked with organising the White Backlash.

  169. calli

    CL was referring to what an Anglican would regard as a proper marriage for a prince of the blood.

    You could always ask an Anglican to make sure.

  170. JC

    Fisk

    I forget, how did Laurie Connell come into into? I thought the AK47s were hidden in Laurie’s basement – not Bond’s.

  171. Oh come on

    Do the shadowy figures behind the Federation Chamber realise MV’s rumbled them?

  172. Fisky

    Laurie Connell financed the AKs through his bank, JC. Only Bondie had adequate floor space to store them all.

  173. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Michael Cyran’s 21-year fight for justice ‘in vain’
    John Flint, PerthNow
    December 18, 2017 11:31AM

    MICHAEL Cyran was 24 when his skull cracked against concrete and his life changed forever.

    On the one hand, he was lucky to pull through after doctors gave him a 30 per cent chance of survival following emergency surgery at Royal Perth Hospital which involved removing part of his brain in the early hours of August 3, 1996. On the other hand, nothing would be the same again.

    He never completed his engineering degree. He has a permanent brain injury and is sight impaired. He can’t drive a car, or ride a bike — one of his favourite pastimes. Despite his impairments, he works three days a week for the Water Corporation with the assistance of Edge Disability Employment Services.

    Jeffrey Ronald Nelson was 34 when he pushed Mr Cyran down three steps at Escapade nightclub in Stirling Street, Perth, triggering a series of legal actions which have hounded him across three States.

    The former nightclub bouncer completed his psychology degree at the University of WA, despite being convicted of grievous bodily harm.

    He also completed a PhD, before taking up academic positions at universities in NSW and Queensland. He currently works from a private practice in Cairns.

    Mr Nelson, now 55 and married, owes Mr Cyran about $1.8 million, after an award of damages in 2002. To date, he hasn’t paid any of the debt, which has accumulated with interest on the initial sum of $972,067.

    And Mr Cyran is unlikely to see a cent after Mr Nelson filed for bankruptcy in December 2015, having failed to overturn an enforcement order, won by Mr Cyran’s parents, in the Supreme Court of Queensland.

    Mr Cyran’s mum, Anita Moylan, and his stepfather, Tom, estimate their struggle has cost them more than $300,000, even with pro-bono help from Perth solicitor George Georgiou. They have paid for barristers, medical reports, court fees and even private investigators to track down Mr Nelson. There’s also the lost earnings from time spent caring for their son. Both postponed retirement because they said they couldn’t afford to stop working. A former real estate agent, Mr Moylan finally retired last year, aged 75.

    Words fail me, they honestly do.

  174. egg_

    romantacizing the hunter gatherer

    Anyone who is stupid enough to believe that a hunter gatherer society is superior to civilisation should be forced to take their clothes off and go for a year-long trek through the desert.

    LOL
    Imagine tree huggers sans mobile phones… and trees!

    And only fly-blown desert carrion to eat.

  175. JC

    Do the shadowy figures behind the Federation Chamber realise MV’s rumbled them?

    I reckon it was the Federation Chamber that sent the cops to his home looking for ak47s.

  176. Oh come on

    Oh yes I’d forgotten about that! Apparently we dobbed MV into the coppers. And magic mushrooms were involved, don’t forget that.

  177. JC

    Fisky
    #2587707, posted on December 18, 2017 at 5:07 pm

    Laurie Connell financed the AKs through his bank, JC. Only Bondie had adequate floor space to store them all.

    Oh shit yea. I forgot how it worked. Connell’s bank funded the purchases and Bond hid the guns in his basement.

  178. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2587708, posted on December 18, 2017 at 5:07 pm

    Word comes to mind. SNAFU

  179. Geriatric Mayfly

    meanwhile in Queen St Altona

    Woman claims car-jacking attempt by JB. In the police description – African appearance etc etc, and was not wearing shoes. At least our lot wear one.

  180. Oh come on

    Quality capers to be had here at the Cat!

    MV sure is a zany fellow.

  181. Fisky

    Do the shadowy figures behind the Federation Chamber realise MV’s rumbled them?

    It would be pretty funny if the Federation Chamber clerks had to go over one of MVs weird petitions.

  182. calli

    MV made a perfectly sensible comment at 4:39. Your efforts to discredit him by referring to past comments do you no favours.

  183. Geriatric Mayfly

    And only fly-blown desert carrion to eat.

    And walking through spinifex in designer shorts would have them beseeching a God, they have both blasphemed and scorned.

  184. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And only fly-blown desert carrion to eat.

    With no whitefella Royal Flying Doctor, or antibiotics, either.

    Oh, and you won’t be able to boil said flyblown carrion, either…

  185. JC

    Oh come on
    #2587712, posted on December 18, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    Oh yes I’d forgotten about that! Apparently we dobbed MV into the coppers. And magic mushrooms were involved, don’t forget that.

    Specifically me. I was supposed to have dobbed him in. But the story kept changing – with three different versions why the cops went around.

    Ironically it was the same thread when Brian said it was me who had dobbed him in even though there were lowlife scumbags creating fake news that I had told on Brian.

    The same evening, Vaultaire comes up with the accusation that I had sent the cops around to his place.

    He’s like fucking Fakenews CNN. One bit of fakenews ends and another immediately starts up. It must be a family business.

  186. JC

    When you think about it, Vault was a pioneer in creating fakenews. He was there well before CNN.

  187. Ubique

    …and was not wearing shoes. At least our lot wear one.

    Reminds of the fellow spying his mate across the street, sporting just one thong.
    “Hey, mate, you lost a thong?”
    “Nah” came the reply, “found one.”

  188. JC

    calli
    #2587718, posted on December 18, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    MV made a perfectly sensible comment at 4:39. Your efforts to discredit him by referring to past comments do you no favours.

    Calli, I’d call that a fluke. 🙂

  189. Oh come on

    It must be hard being MV. Imagine having to come up with the most ridiculous, implausible explanation for everything you find that you don’t understand. Must be tiring.

  190. CL was referring to what an Anglican would regard as a proper marriage for a prince of the blood. The possibility of them nicking off to a registry office probably didn’t occur to anyone except you.

    FFS where are you pulling this stuff from Dr BeauGan? The statement made by C.L. and contested by me, was that Meghan had to convert, to “marry the Prince”. This was untrue, and remains untrue, regardless of how you wish to interpret the word “force”, or what kind of wedding they have.

    The Anglican baptism was to preserve the line of succession, NOT to allow the marriage.

  191. Fisky

    We will have to organise an Australia Day reunion for everyone who was tangentally related to the Black Uprising. I believe Bondy and Connell are dead – and boy you have wonder about that – but Jim Saleam might put in a cameo.

  192. JC

    It must be hard being MV. Imagine having to come up with the most ridiculous, implausible explanation for everything you find that you don’t understand. Must be tiring.

    Remember how the cops/ hospital version changed?

    At first, he accused us/me of sending him to hospital suffering heart agitation. This later morphed in a cop raid instigated by me because his kid was doing magic mushrooms. It subsequently became a cop raid because he reckons he one time mentioned his kid was buying a gun and as result of the raid his kid lost the deposit.

    All this, notwithstanding that when he first showed up here, he was continually urging people to look into his background, because he reckoned he didn’t care.

    So people look into his background, discuss it and he has a heart flop. Fmd.

  193. notafan

    It may have been ‘sensible’ but it is still only an opinion and not only that a complete move away from MV’s starting position that the royal couple were not under compulsion/ coercion/ force to marry in a particular way because they were free not to (as long as they were happy to drop out of succession if the Queen did not approve of their marriage arrangements)

    It doesn’t matter how forceful the force is as long as there is any form of legal compulsion

    CL was btw probably using hyperbole to point out that the so called reformation did not in fact lead to separation of Church and State

    Reality being until this latest change am English Royal could not marry a Catholic without losing their place in the queue until when, a mere five years ago?

  194. zyconoclast

    Why Open Borders? What if we just let people move?
    by Jeffrey A. Tucker

    Two dear friends of mine just experienced incredible struggles with immigration control in the United States, one from Australia and one from Canada. Both are enormously talented, in love with the freedom that America represents to the world — or once did anyway.

    One barely got in after months of waiting, even though a willing, begging employer was waiting. The other was deported with a single day’s notice.

    Each has been a captive of bureaucrats with awesome power. Their stories are tragic. Natives know nothing about this ghastly system and how it treats human beings. We never experience it.

    The labyrinth of bureaucracy is jaw dropping. The arbitrary power exercised by “our” bureaucrats is frightening. The loss to our nation’s productivity is mindboggling. Hearing these stories, you can’t help but apologize for the way our own government treats people who want to love this country and contribute to its greatness.

    And to think that for the first 100 years of this country’s existence we had zero national immigration restrictions. The whole world was invited in — and this invitation led to the most prosperous society the world has ever known. In these times, there were no passports. For the most part, everyone was free to move around the earth — and this was thought to be the very essence of liberty.

    Today, we have an effective ban on immigration. You can’t come to the U.S. to live and work legally unless you are family, highly educated, or get in as a refugee. Other than that, the barriers to legal immigration are impossibly high. The wait lines for employment visas are impossibly long, and people from the world’s largest population centers aren’t even eligible.

    Meanwhile, the government spends $18 billion on stopping immigration — more than all other federal criminal enforcement agencies combined. This is money spent to stop people from freely exchanging labor for money. That the whole thing is a massive flop is revealed by the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country, and the half million apprehended crossing the border each year — surely only a fraction of those who were not.

    But apparently, that’s not enough. Donald Trump is soaring in popularity by calling for mass deportations and building a wall around the country, in an effort to double down on a failed government policy. Other candidates are alarmed at his rhetoric, but echo his core claim that there is some kind of crisis going on.

    Meanwhile, this is a huge debate among people who otherwise swear fealty to “limited government.” Many people who claim to want freedom seem to have no problem with the implications of a closed-border policy: national IDs, national work permits, non-stop surveillance, harassment of all businesses, a “papers please” culture, mass deportation, tens of billions in waste, bureaucrats wrecking the American dream, broken families, the rights of Americans and foreigners transgressed at every turn.

    In this environment of political hysteria, in which the rankest form of racial fear has reared its head, few dare to stand up and call for the only liberty-minded answer: open borders.

    Just the phrase causes people to sputter in shock. The objections start flying: wages will fall, welfare will explode, people will vote for the wrong people, there will be cultural confusion, the national language will evaporate, crime will soar — on and on the parade of horribles marches.

    The more you look into the research, the more these objections fall away. Immigrants cause less crime than natives. Immigration does not cause unemployment. Immigrants don’t consume more public benefits than natives; in fact, they use fewer. Indeed, they have kept Social Security afloat, even though they will never get a dime from the system. They don’t love liberty less: they poll in as more libertarian. Indeed, every one of these and other claims in Trump’s immigration policy paper are patently wrong.

    Apparently, the facts don’t matter. And as for humane values and human rights, forget it. Immigration restriction is a fundamental attack on the rights of at least two parties: the person who wants to employ someone currently outside the border and the person who wants to come work. It’s a thuggish interference with an economic exchange, like any other arbitrary restriction on trade.

    So often, in many recent discussions I’ve had online, what’s going on here is just a shoot-from-hip bias. It’s exactly the same kind of fears that make people object to getting rid of the minimum wage, cutting taxes, eliminating tariffs, privatizing the TSA, eliminating zoning laws, cutting government spending, legalizing pot, and so on.

    It’s freedom itself that people fear.

    Once freedom goes away, it is difficult to imagine how things would work if it came back. The notion of freedom then scares people, and it becomes easy to think up a thousand different scenarios in which freedom can’t possibly work. Surely disaster will ensue!

    This was a problem during alcohol Prohibition. The system wasn’t working, but the prospect of making its consumption and production legal again elicited a kind of panic. Would our streets be filled with staggering drunks? Would scarce income be squandered on liquor? Would families break apart?

    The lack of imagination concerning how freedom can work is the single biggest barrier in the U.S. to ending the war on immigration.

    Imagine if the U.S. had massive border controls between states, with checkpoints and passports and drug-sniffing dogs, and if you had to have permission to change from a job in Ohio to a job in Vegas, or if a Virginian could be deported from New Jersey for overstaying, or if you had to wait years to obtain the right documentation to move from one state to another, or if the labor market was so tightly regulated that an employer in another state could only hire you if they could prove they had no other options.

    If all that were true, anyone who suggested open borders and a free labor market between states in the U.S. would be considered a dangerous loon.

    But here is the clarifying fact: the conditions that allow free migration between states within the U.S. are identical with regard to free migration between the U.S., Mexico, and Canada. The only difference happens to be the government that issues citizenship documents.

    I live in Georgia. What if I started a movement to prohibit immigrants from Chicago to Georgia? Why would I suggest such a crazy thing? Because I believe that crime is higher in Chicago, welfare is more widely used, their imported labor would drive down wages, they vote in ways that are regrettable, and people there just don’t get the ways of the American South.

    Should we have immigration controls between states? It sounds preposterous (though Trump could probably sell the idea). But the claims that we can’t have free immigration into the U.S. follow the exact same logic.

    Every argument for immigration restrictions into the United States as a whole applies with equal validity for immigration controls between states, counties, cities, and even towns. And yet we do not have such controls. Why does it work so well? Because freedom works.

    How can we begin to imagine what open borders would be like? We need an experiment in that exact thing. It just so happens that we have just such an experiment. There are 28 countries that have historically been at war for thousands of years. They all have different languages, different religions, and different folkways. At various periods, people from these countries have hated each other to the point of causing genocide.

    Then one day, starting with an agreement that began to be implemented twenty years ago (the Schengen Agreement), they opened all the borders. Anyone from these countries can live and work anywhere. They can travel freely, on the same passports. No bureaucracy stops their freedom of movement and their freedom to produce.

    The results have been spectacular. It’s the greatest experiment in completely open borders the world has seen in more than a century. It’s called the European Union. And it works. It points toward the ideal: a world in which everyone is free to move about the earth without fear of gun, wall, or barbed wire.

    Let’s not fear freedom and free trade (which means, free trade in capital and labor). In the end, Ludwig von Mises was right: “Without the reestablishment of freedom of migration throughout the world, there can be no lasting peace.”

  195. Chris

    You could always ask an Anglican to make sure.

    Anglicans are notorious squishes, except the old ‘Sydney Push’. We approve Harry marrying his beagle, provided the beagle freely converts.
    Really, the law of the land freely re-defines reality, as our ABC teaches!

  196. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I believe Bondy and Connell are dead

    That’s what they would have you believe.

    They move between manor houses in Switzerland, Argentina and the Hutt River Province.

  197. Geriatric Mayfly

    Melbourne train tunnel tech to rival Paris The Oz

    We have a desalination plant that rivals the hydrological cycle, now this. Will there be no end to this panoply of grandeur? Stage left: CFMEU already licking their lips.

  198. JC

    MV is the reason Tubby Ashston had to go on medical leave- suffering exhaustion.

    Tubs was investigating Pell 24/7 and then he (Tubs) received an call about MV and the magic mushrooms shtick. It exhausted him.

  199. zyconoclast

    What The Deep State Is?
    By Thomas L. Knapp – June 29, 2017

    Buzzwords come and buzzwords go. Lately, a trending buzzword — or, I guess, buzz phrase — among the politically inclined is “Deep State.” Google News returns 127,000 recent media uses of the phrase.

    Every time US president Donald Trump finds himself under attack or just stymied in one of his policy initiatives, his supporters blame the Deep State. The Deep State is behind the “Russiagate” probes. The Deep State doesn’t like his Muslim travel ban or his ObamaCare replacement bill. The Deep State keeps forcing him to break his campaign promises of a less misadventurous US foreign policy. I’m expecting reports, any day now, that the Deep State stole his limo keys and left the toilet seats up in the residence area of the White House.

    So what, precisely, is the Deep State? There’s actually both more and less to it than you might think.

    In a recent Bloomberg column, former Obama administration regulatory czar Cass Sunstein defines the Deep State as merely “the talented professionals who serve both Democratic and Republican administrations, and who are civil servants rather than political appointees.” While not incorrect as such, that definition is superficial and not especially informative.

    Others identify the Deep State as residing completely or nearly completely in the US “intelligence community” specifically and the Military-Industrial Complex in general, or in Washington’s sprawling regulatory apparatus.

    It’s in the intel/military definition that the idea tends to take on a more active, sinister connotations: Spies and generals conspiring to put over a coup of some sort, if necessary maybe even handing giving inconvenient political figures the JFK treatment. Without discounting that possibility, let me propose that while individuals acting in knowing concert might be a minor feature of the Deep State, they aren’t its essence.

    In high school civics class theory, elections are meaningful and political government is a highly developed, well-oiled, deliberative decision-making machine in which ideas matter and the best ones win out, to the benefit of all.

    In fact, it is in the nature of political government to put its own needs first, and its corps of unelected workers (greatly outnumbering the politicians who have to explain themselves to voters) closely identify its needs with their needs and vice versa.

    The aggregate actions of long-term state functionaries will always tend to maximize the state’s growth and their own discretionary power. Not because they are venal or corrupt (although some certainly are), nor because they necessarily subscribe to some particular ideology (although some certainly do), but because like their actions, they themselves are an aggregate whose parts will overwhelmingly respond to the same incentives in the same ways.

    You’ll never walk into a hotel and see a sign in the lobby announcing “Welcome Deep State, Conference Room 3A.” The Deep State isn’t a conscious conspiracy, even if there are conscious conspirators within it. The Deep State is a large mass with no guiding intellect. Its inertia tends to hold it in one place and/or to carry most of its members in the same direction.

  200. calli
    #2587718, posted on December 18, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    Thanks, Calli. Unfortunately there are some here so bereft of intellect that the “pile on” is all they have. Somebody implied yesterday that left wing style tribalism is alive and well on the Cat.

    It’s actually more like a pack of mongrel rabid dogs, baying at the full moon.

  201. JC

    I believe Bondy and Connell are dead

    That’s what they would have you believe.

    They move between manor houses in Switzerland, Argentina and the Hutt River Province.

    When did Laurie croak it… or more appropriately when did he pretend to die?

    I recall Laurie was boasting to the press that every bank in the world should be set up like his. Less than a year later the thing was in bankruptcy.

  202. Fisky

    That’s a nice article, zyk, but you’ll find most Twitter “libertarians” are wussia loons who want the Deep State to launch a coup against Trump.

  203. JC

    It’s actually more like a pack of mongrel rabid dogs, baying at the full moon.

    Unlike a dirtbag fakenews artist like MV, calli.

  204. Motelier

    Sorry, Hawaiian is not pizza

    .

    I concur

    Look, I know the purists out there hate it, and I personally think pinapple should be left to the dessert and coctail menus, but commercially they are popular.

  205. Rae

    while going to the ship’s medical facility

    All instructions re such illness on the ‘Ovation’ was to remain in your room and ring a special number. A medical team would arrive immediately to assess and assist you. On no account go to the medical centre, was our instruction.

    Same standard instructions on all the Princess and Royal Caribbean ships we have been on, to ensure containment as far as practicable. Unfortunately, as with the hand sanitizing, people ignore instructions. Norovirus is notifiable and the crew are in touch with and guided by the Center for Disease Control as soon as any outbreak occurs.

    We and everyone else stayed hale and hearty though.
    In spite of Dunedin’s delicious clam chowder (I do so love a good seafood chowder).

    Glad you stayed well.

  206. Oh come on

    Schengen worked while there was a hard external border. As soon as Merkel caused that to be overrun, the internal borders shot back up again. Schengen is in ruins. It’s a terrible exemplar. Tucker chose exactly the wrong moment to lionise it.

  207. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Any military Cats, with more up to date weapons knowledge then mine, help out? The M4 carbines on issue to N.S.W. cops, would be fully automatic, or restricted to semi auto?

  208. calli

    I believe in going to the source.

    C.L., what did you mean by force?

  209. JC

    IT
    There’s a move to the decent Right in South Am. Argentina is doing really well with a right wing government. Chile now elects a decent right wing government. The region could be worth watching from a stocks point of view.

    All the forecasts I’ve read for 18 mention South Am but as yet there doesn’t seem to be a huge focus, which may mean the gangs hasn’t loaded up yet.

    Worth a punt maybe.

  210. Oh come on

    Unfortunately, as with the hand sanitizing, people ignore instructions

    Wash your hands after you take a crap. It’s not hard, you’d think. Well, it demonstrably is for the cruise ship enthusiast demographic.

  211. The M4 carbines on issue to N.S.W. cops, would be fully automatic, or restricted to semi auto?

    No idea, Zulu. The article somebody linked to earlier said “semi-auto”.

  212. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Wash your hands after you take a crap. It’s not hard, you’d think. Well, it demonstrably is for the cruise ship enthusiast demographic.

    We live in a society where people feel comfortable wearing thongs on planes and bare feet in supermarkets. Asking people to wash their hands after taking a shit is always going to be a bit much.

  213. JC

    I reckon there’s so much focus on Venezuela that it may have subdued any interest in South Am.

  214. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2587743, posted on December 18, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    Fuck off 1234 Zee

  215. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sorry, Hawaiian is not a pizza.

    Aw. You could have a lot of fun with that.

    Norked Hawaiian: smoked ham, pineapple, anchovies and smoked chillies
    Halal Hawaiian: just pineapple
    Haram Hawaiian: ham, pineapple, bacon, pulled pork and brandy flambé.
    Obama Hawaiian Holiday: ham, pineapple, gold leaf
    Hawaiian Kilauea: ham, pineapple, bolognaise sauce and a lit candle in the middle
    Hawaiian Surprise: ham, pineapple, chilli flakes, shredded marijuana

  216. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Makka, that was a funny clip. I must admit I did have those sort of thoughts about any ‘medical team’.
    One runny poo, then confined to your room for the duration of the voyage while they spray you daily, sitting ducks like in an aircraft cabin at the tender mercies of the Australian Department of Agriculture, lucky not to be wrapped in plastic for disposal at sea. Thankfully I had no quandary to answer in that regard; all was perfectly as normal for us both, although I did quiz Hairy in a wifely medical way a couple of times, for men, well, you know men when they drink alcohol and the smells they ….. yes, you do know, you men.

    No Airwick on board either.

    Did you manage to get up to Olveston House, Lizzie. First time I’d ever seen a bumble bee.

    We only had time in Dunedin to do the one tour. Hairy also has a limited tolerance for my love of old houses. The next day just a quick trip for some shopping in town. Just had to buy some hair conditioner and proper shampoo as these meanies only provided a fixed bottle of pump bodywash in the shower, one bottle does you for all ablutions, that’s your lot, and if your hair’s like straw using our stuff that’s your problem. I usually bring my own anyway but forgot in the rush. Also some very nice j3wellery sales in town, earrings of Malachite and Onyx. Plus the seafood chowder. Oh, and hand cream for the chapped washerwoman’s mits.

    Heroditus – end of last thread I made a brief comment to you re Wolf Hall. Lovin’ it.

    As for me being a Year 12 creative writing student, as someone suggested above – nah.
    I am Lois Lane, Girl Reporter on the Daily Planet. Girlfriend of Superman.
    Sheer factual reportage from me. No Gonzo stuff. 🙂

  217. Fisky

    Oops

    PeterSweden
    @PeterSweden7
    ·
    12h
    Sweden might have to increase the retirement age for people to be able to pay for benefits to mass migration.

  218. Geriatric Mayfly

    MV is the reason Tubby Ashston had to go on medical leave- suffering exhaustion.

    Who is replacing the drained Tub? Must be low profile, as the only person we have heard from is that idiot last week, who asked those swarthy St Kilda rioters to turn themselves in. Whoever, they would be besties with Deadly Dan.

  219. Fisky

    Good god, Jeffrey Tucker posted that open borders article on September 14 2015, within a week of Merkel inviting 1 million Muslim males into Germany!

  220. JC

    The piece says he’s heading back to Washington in January, but I doubt it.

    Sen. John McCain Returns Home to Arizona From Washington
    President Trump says Arizona senator will likely miss tax vote in the Senate this week

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/sen-john-mccain-returns-home-to-arizona-from-washington-1513556199

  221. Geriatric Mayfly

    First time I’d ever seen a bumble bee.

    Plenty in Tasmania. Despite efforts, they will not inhabit the mainland. They were targets of introduction some time ago, as they are the only bees which can pollinate pink clover, which, I believe, Clover the cow finds scrumptious.

  222. Stimpson J. Cat

    baying at the full moon.

    Yeah well I haven’t done that for literally ages.
    Leave me out of it I have been very very good indeed.

  223. Tom

    JC, I don’t think Venezuela’s communist implosion is scaring off investors in South Am: the gorilla in the room is the leftwing disaster that has almost destroyed the biggest economy, Brazil. A pro-business government in Brasilia would set the joint alight.

  224. calli

    Next time then, Lizzie. It was brought out as a kit house from England and has a lovely garden. The interior is like a time capsule.

    What I loved most was a little door in the clerestory wainscott – for the Paterfamilias to slide across and observe the goings-on of the younger generation in the hall below. 🙂

  225. Chris

    That Palestinian Own Goal story is heartwarming. Calls to mind that old ‘Pop a Pally for Pizza’ campaign of long ago, whereby one bought pizzas for the IDF online whenever we read of another terrorist over there getting what they deserved.

  226. Stimpson J. Cat

    The more you look into the research, the more these objections fall away. Immigrants cause less crime than natives. Immigration does not cause unemployment. Immigrants don’t consume more public benefits than natives; in fact, they use fewer. Indeed, they have kept Social Security afloat, even though they will never get a dime from the system. They don’t love liberty less: they poll in as more libertarian. Indeed, every one of these and other claims in Trump’s immigration policy paper are patently wrong.

    Who is this Goddamned bowtie spinning lying looney tune?
    Jesus Christ.

  227. JC

    Could be Tom.

    It was IT’s comment about the Chilean election result that got me thinking aloud about the region.

  228. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Oh God

    Prince Harry interviews Barack Obama for the BBC

    Harry has the worst of both his parents. He’s a lefty pantsman who really needs a decent job to occupy him.

  229. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Calls to mind that old ‘Pop a Pally for Pizza’ campaign of long ago, whereby one bought pizzas for the IDF online whenever we read of another terrorist over there getting what they deserved.

    Anyone else you could almost feel sorry for. The Palli’s have never lost an opportunity to shoot themselves in the ar$e, and they’ve followed every swivel eyed loon that emerged as a leader.

  230. Mark from Melbourne

    Haven’t dreamt about that Mark.

    MrsM and I will prolly own and rent the trailers with controls on the output.

    That is a very limited (or, perhaps, localised) version of “franchise” I think. Mind you, walk then run and all that.

    Chilling of prepared ingredients (and thence timely shipping) is in your future, methinks. The logistics must surely have been solved innumerable times before, so some cultural appropriation is probably in order.

    In any event, good luck with it.

  231. Mitch M.

    Somebody implied yesterday that left wing style tribalism is alive and well on the Cat.

    Politics makes people tribal. People here complain about the Left being tribal? Jung casts a long shadow.

  232. Rae

    Wash your hands after you take a crap. It’s not hard, you’d think. Well, it demonstrably is for the cruise ship enthusiast demographic.

    Same proportion for the general population I would think, but occurs more frequently in some parts of the world. People doing tours in Egypt are well advised to carry antibiotics to attempt to counter gastrointestinal problems and cruise ships sailing away from Port Said and Alexandria commonly have to deal with norovirus.

    But it’s not just a 3rd world problem. Norovirus is endemic in North America and it’s noteworthy that gastroenteritis has been widespread in Australia in 2017. The recent outbreak of the norovirus on Ovation of the Seas occurred after she left Fremantle.

  233. Joe

    It’s actually more like a pack of mongrel rabid dogs, baying at the full moon.

    I can’t believe you so and so’s are still banging on about the Bloody Prince marrying his Bloody Princess and THEIR choice about how to go about it. I posted the definitive requirements many posts above. Net obligations under law of the Prince and Princess are NONE. IF they want their children to remain in the accession, their children must be Anglican. If the Princess wishes to be in the accession, SHE must convert. The Throne has the final say – and is unlikely to say NAY. NONE of this affects the accession rights of the Prince.

    Furthermore the pile on to MV is pedantic, bullish, obstinate inability to accept that the facts show that the Prince and Princess CHOSE to take the actions that they have. They were not forced, indeed, there are options available where they could take that would leave them with the same outcomes, only their children or the Princess would be excluded from the accession.

    Please note, NONE of these choices would have disqualified the Prince from his rights to accession. Well, I suppose the Prince could choose to become Catholic, which would disqualify him.

  234. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Glad you stayed well.

    Thank you, Rae.

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