Monday Forum: December 18, 2017

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  1. JC

    IT, the gal comes with the penthouse.

  2. cohenite

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2588630, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    THE NATION
    Sydney man arrested for travelling to Syria for terror activity

    The Australian
    7:14PM December 19, 2017

    Emily Ritchie
    Journalist
    Sydney
    @emritchiejourno

    In the other scum msm the bastard’s name and Muslimism is not mentioned.

  3. Boambee John

    From the Bidstrup renewballs thread.

    Many climate change campaigners have expressed concern about Australia shirking its domestic obligations in favour of cheaper overseas permits that might be fraudulent or involve double-counting of reductions.

    Their concern is not that the offsets will not be delivered, but that they will be cheaper, delaying the impoverishment of the unprotected proportion of the population (the “activists” will be protected from the impact).

    They want Western industrial civilisation destroyed, and they want the job done now. After all, it must be almost 30 years since Maurice Strong, the Canadian former oilman turned climate activist turned defrauder of the UN (the only good thing he did after leaving the oil industry), stated that humanity could be saved only by destroying Western industrial civilisation, and that it was a noble duty to do so.

  4. Peter Castieau

    Regarding the ministry reshuffle:

    Why do we need a minister for wymmins?

    Why do we need a minister for jobs and innovation?

    Abolish both ministers and their departments is what should happen!

  5. Roger

    I’d add to that the sidelining of fathers, and the breakdown of the traditional family unit.

    The Whitlam-Murphy legacy, capitulating to feminism.

    The irony is that, so I’m told, Gough was a faithful husband and a good father.

    But the god of Socialism had to be served.

  6. Leigh Lowe

    Why do we need a minister for wymmins?

    Why do we need a minister for jobs and innovation?

    Well, der.
    Because of the salary increments and allowances, silly.

  7. candy

    Unreported, unstudied, quietly shuffling and sorting.
    Not just relocated but transmutated into a different people.

    People left behind by the modern world, Arky. The Left’s destruction of normal values = broken families and hence poverty. Globalisation, lack of ordinary jobs for ordinary people with no quals. Robotisation of the workforce. A whole class of people now left behind. It is not their fault, Arky.

    In a sense these are the people in America Trump appeals to most. I’m not sure Make America Great Again will resolve all this, or Labor here can fix it either.

  8. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2588630, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    AAT?

  9. Roger

    And, reading the above posts, I think that boys should be made to read The Cat.

    Mmm…this site might be better.

  10. Boambee John

    LL at 2012

    In any case she was pleading that the phone be upgraded/repaired faster than 4 hours … “I just CANNOT be without my phone for FOUR WHOLE HOURS.”

    Then buy a spare you nong!

  11. Howard Hill

    Big storm through Victoriastan, half the state with no power, lol.

  12. candy

    Regarding the ministry reshuffle – why did the Libs need it at all?

    What is this business of shuffling important people in important roles suddenly into another role where they have no experience. What is wrong with continuity and experience?

    My hunch is that Mr Turnbull’s reshuffle is to placate Qld, and reward Barnaby Joyce as the most important objective. It’s all based on the Newspoll. get those Newspoll up, at any cost. Minister Chester is the one to be cast off in the pursuit of Newspoll.

  13. zyconoclast

    You really have it in for apartment living. See if you like these. I’m trying to get you interested in a better quality of life. 🙂

    Is the woman who appears in every second picture a sign on bonus?
    Could be tempting.

  14. Token

    Then buy a spare you nong!

    Anyone notice how casually people treat an item they spend over $1,000 every 2-3 years to replace?

  15. stackja

    Peter Castieau
    #2588643, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:42 pm
    Regarding the ministry reshuffle:

    Why do we need a minister for wymmins?

    Why do we need a minister for jobs and innovation?

    Abolish both ministers and their departments is what should happen!

    Barton First Ministry

    Portfolio Minister
    Prime Minister and Minister for External Affairs Rt Hon Edmund Barton, KC MP
    Attorney-General Hon Alfred Deakin, MP
    Minister for Home Affairs Hon Sir William Lyne, KCMG MP (to 11 August 1903)
    Rt Hon Sir John Forrest, GCMG MP (from 11 August 1903)

    Minister for Trade and Customs Rt Hon Charles Kingston, KC MP (to 24 July 1903)
    Hon Sir William Lyne, KCMG MP (from 11 August 1903)

    Treasurer Rt Hon Sir George Turner, KCMG MP
    Minister for Defence Hon Sir James Dickson, KCMG (to 10 January 1901)[2]

    Rt Hon Sir John Forrest, GCMG MP (17 January 1901 to 10 August 1903)

    Senator Hon James Drake (from 10 August 1903)

    Postmaster-General Rt Hon Sir John Forrest, GCMG MP (to 17 January 1901)

    Senator Hon James Drake (5 February 1901 to 10 August 1903)

    Hon Sir Philip Fysh, KCMG MP (from 10 August 1903)

    Vice-President of the Executive Council Senator Hon Richard O’Connor, KC
    Ministers without portfolios Hon Elliott Lewis (to 23 April 1901)[3]
    Hon Sir Philip Fysh, KCMG MP (26 April 1901 to 10 August 1903)

  16. miltonf

    So another year almost gone and Trumble still there. So much for Bolt’s prediction. You were on the money there Candy I seem to recall.

  17. JC

    Is the woman who appears in every second picture a sign on bonus?
    Could be tempting.

    I said so earlier. Buy the penthouse, as the gal comes with it.

    You know that wouldn’t be a bad marketing strategy for the top apartments. Advertise the apartment and the gal that goes with the title.

  18. miltonf

    As for Christianson, what a waste of space.

  19. Peter Castieau

    stackja,

    Thanks for that comparison. Bloody hell the place needs a gigantic hair cut.

  20. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #2588596, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    I’ve noticed the Trumpety-Trumping on The Project and in other media has almost disappeared.
    Silenced bigly.
    Not to worry. They’ll always have Diet Coke-gate.

    When CNN runs a five minute segment hinting that brain-rotting Diet-Coke could provide a pathway to impeachment on the grounds of mental impairment you can draw one conclusion…
    Trumpster is firmly ensconced in the collective heads of the MSM, sitting on the frontal lobe with his feet up on the cerebellum, guzzling Diet Coke and crushing the empty cans against the parietal lobe.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    miltonf

    #2588659, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    As for Christianson, what a waste of space

    And it is a lot of space to waste.

  22. Boambee John

    And, reading the above posts, I think that boys should be made to read The Cat.

    And also some Arthur Ransome.

  23. miltonf

    Yep- surely the LNP wasn’t this bad 20 years ago. Generational change I suppose. And now after last Saturday’s result they’ll be kidding themselves that Trumble’s a winner.

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Boambee John

    #2588650, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    LL at 2012

    In any case she was pleading that the phone be upgraded/repaired faster than 4 hours … “I just CANNOT be without my phone for FOUR WHOLE HOURS.”

    Then buy a spare you nong

    Trust me, BJ, whoever was on the other end was probably trying to offer up all sorts of options, but they were not getting a word in with Ms Iamsoimportant.

  25. Gab

    20 years for fraud and three years for rape and murder This country is effed.

  26. Arky

    I purchased a pair of concrete eagles to stick on the plinths of the steps of the house.
    Gauche, I know, but I like them, so fuck you.
    But this place made the things onsite, they had like 800 moulds and the blokes stopped work making concrete critters to serve us.
    I reckon the only reason a place like that still exists is that concrete making is pretty low electricity input.
    Good blokes too. I asked them the price of a little concrete rabbit and they crscked up when I shushed them and pointed to my girl.
    They got it and hid it from her so she didn’t know I bought it.

  27. egg_

    I don’t know about Sydney, but the Crimes breathlessly warned us yesterday that it was going to be 39C today and might even break the record for a December day in the region, which is (probably adjusted) 39-point-something.

    ABC TV Breakfast were spruiking this like it was a rare event – it’s almost the Summer solstice FFS.

  28. egg_

    As for Christianson, what a waste of space

    And it is a lot of space to waste.

    He probably bends space-time.

  29. max

    Last episode of The Book Club tonight.

    Andrew Denton is having the panel euthanased.

  30. Delta A

    ABC TV Breakfast were spruiking this like it was a rare event

    This is the latest leftist strategy: “My Gosh, what’s happened to our lovely mild summers?”

    I actually had an aging woman say that to me in the middle of an Adelaide January, when the temp was nudging 40 degrees. According to her, we never used to have such dreadful heat. I politely disagreed and suggested that age might have distorted her memory.

  31. Yep- surely the LNP wasn’t this bad 20 years ago.

    The LNP has been what it is, since Fraser.
    It hasn’t changed all that much – your perception of it has.
    You and many other former supporters.
    Much the same thing can be said of Labor and their supporters.

    This is a good thing.

  32. JC

    max
    #2588679, posted on December 19, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    Last episode of The Book Club tonight.

    Andrew Denton is having the panel euthanased.

    Denton and the squeeze have been milking the taxpayer for ever.

  33. Rabz

    FFS, reading through some of the comments above is incredibly bloody depressing.

    Just after I’d posted a comment on Blair’s blog about the insanity of that frigging bottle and can redemption scheme in NSW courtesy of Braindead Beryl Gladyschlocklian and co.

    Which of course, the dickheads at newsj’ism.com probably won’t post.

  34. Infidel Tiger

    I said so earlier. Buy the penthouse, as the gal comes with it.

    You know that wouldn’t be a bad marketing strategy for the top apartments. Advertise the apartment and the gal that goes with the title.

    Apartment buyers are primarily homosexuals and invalids. Throwing in a nurse or a young boy would be a bigger lure.

  35. Arky

    One of my first jobs in Oz was maintanance work on garbage trucks.
    I can assure you, despite what BOM historic data says, that in 1989 Melbourne had a summer with a series of 40 + degree days.
    You take an interest in temperature when you know you will be stuck in the back of a garbage truck phaffing around with the hydraulics all day.

  36. max

    Just had a shot of the live audience.

    100% white middle-aged women.

    Like church on Sunday morning.

  37. Geriatric Mayfly

    Shome mishtake shurely.

    The solar impact on climate
    Supplied Editorial Observatory A new study suggests solar activity has had a greater impact on the rise and fall of temperatures than first thought.

  38. calli

    Max, that made me laugh so loud I woke the dog.

    What a waste of human endeavour that show is. Well, not much human endeavour, but it is the ABC.

  39. Arky

    Garbage trucks have an interesting compaction system.
    It is a combination of hydraulic valves and electrical switches.
    Fault- finding was intensive and smelly work.

  40. max

    Barnesy now murdering ‘Flame Trees’.

    He is absolutely terrible. An old hippo bellowing, stuck in the mud.

  41. Leigh Lowe

    Apartment buyers are primarily homosexuals and invalids. Throwing in a nurse or a young boy would be a bigger lure.

    Apartment living sucks … or so I’m told.
    Not that I’d be found dead in one. I’ve heard that the buffets are crawling with salmonella.

  42. miltonf

    Yep- surely the LNP wasn’t this bad 20 years ago.

    The LNP has been what it is, since Fraser.
    It hasn’t changed all that much – your perception of it has.
    You and many other former supporters.
    Much the same thing can be said of Labor and their supporters.

    This is a good thing.

    Yes I think it does go back to Fraser. For decades they could get away with ‘labor is worse’ but they crossed a line in 2015.

  43. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2588682, posted on December 19, 2017 at 9:18 pm
    Yep- surely the LNP wasn’t this bad 20 years ago.
    The LNP has been what it is, since Fraser.

    That was the time when my father encouraged me to join the party to make a difference at least in a small way in a branch, since he foresaw what was coming.
    I quit a couple of years ago in disgust and defeated as I mentioned here before. The machinery is too strong and individuals who disagree are crushed or shoved aside no matter how much support they may have.

  44. Arky

    Australia used to manufacture garbage trucks.
    Probably doesn’t anymore.
    I went to visit that factory in Glen Iris a month ago.
    It’s a courier business there now.

  45. Rabz

    You don’t live in an apartment/unit, you merely exist until you can afford a house.

  46. notafan

    The girl slapping punching and kicking a member of the IDF was the infamous Shirley Temper.

    Thomas Wictor has an interesting thread on this forever child.


    Thomas Wictor has an another interesting story about another member of the Tamimi clan here

  47. Leigh Lowe

    max

    #2588694, posted on December 19, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Barnesy now murdering ‘Flame Trees’.

    He is absolutely terrible. An old hippo bellowing, stuck in the mud

    Ssshhh.
    Don’t let CL hear you bagging Barnsey.
    He luurves Barnsey.

  48. stackja

    memoryvault
    #2588682, posted on December 19, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    Bob retired. Harold disappeared. LNP tried hard. BM was surprised by Gough. Then MF was surprised by Bob 2. More surprises ahead!

  49. max

    Calli, glad the dog is awake. He’ll appreciate Barnesy.

  50. Rabz

    The LNP has been what it is, since Fraser.
    It hasn’t changed all that much – your perception of it has.
    You and many other former supporters.
    Much the same thing can be said of Labor and their supporters.

    This is a good thing.

    It will only be a good thing as long as the laboral pardee’s primary vote remains locked into its current death spiral. As someone pointed out the other day (Tom?) even the j’ism spraying nematodes in the braindead lamestream meeja can’t ignore it.

  51. calli

    At least he howls in tune. The dog that is.

  52. zyconoclast

    Barton First Ministry

    Portfolio Minister
    Prime Minister and Minister for External Affairs Rt Hon Edmund Barton, KC MP
    Attorney-General Hon Alfred Deakin, MP
    Minister for Home Affairs Hon Sir William Lyne, KCMG MP (to 11 August 1903)
    Rt Hon Sir John Forrest, GCMG MP (from 11 August 1903)

    Minister for Trade and Customs Rt Hon Charles Kingston, KC MP (to 24 July 1903)
    Hon Sir William Lyne, KCMG MP (from 11 August 1903)

    Treasurer Rt Hon Sir George Turner, KCMG MP
    Minister for Defence Hon Sir James Dickson, KCMG (to 10 January 1901)[2]

    Rt Hon Sir John Forrest, GCMG MP (17 January 1901 to 10 August 1903)

    Senator Hon James Drake (from 10 August 1903)

    Postmaster-General Rt Hon Sir John Forrest, GCMG MP (to 17 January 1901)

    Senator Hon James Drake (5 February 1901 to 10 August 1903)

    Hon Sir Philip Fysh, KCMG MP (from 10 August 1903)

    Vice-President of the Executive Council Senator Hon Richard O’Connor, KC
    Ministers without portfolios Hon Elliott Lewis (to 23 April 1901)[3]
    Hon Sir Philip Fysh, KCMG MP (26 April 1901 to 10 August 1903)

    And I bet everyone of them was eligible under section 44 of the Consitution.

  53. egg_

    At least he howls in tune. The dog that is.

    Barnesy’s probably partial to a little doggy.

  54. Arky

    Turnbull the nuclear termite cockroach hybrid will be PM / President for life.
    If not for all of his, for most of yours.

  55. Joe

    You don’t live in an apartment/unit, you merely exist until you can afford a house.

    Very useful if you work in the city. Walking to work is much preferable to driving in for 30-60 mins. and then having to find a parking spot and then WALKING to work.

    Worst part of apartments – the other people living there.
    You will find one or more of the following:
    1. The person who thinks public areas are their private fiefdom and raise a point of order to:
    1.1 create sanctions against other residents using those areas.
    1.2 sanction people for breaking the rules as they created in 1.1
    2. The person who attends every body corp. meetings with some scheme or other to make money from the residence by inconveniencing all the other residents.
    3. The persons who treat the residence as a tip.
    4. The council that shut access to the residence arbitrarily for sport/art events.
    5. Noisy neighbours.

  56. Mike of Marion

    This recording is 2 years old so PJ would have been 17 and a half.

  57. Arky

    6. The girl across the courtyard without curtains.

  58. Rabz

    Very useful if you work in the city. Walking to work is much preferable to driving in for 30-60 mins. and then having to find a parking spot and then WALKING to work.

    Yeah, yeah, been there, done that. The hell of going back to a noisy apartment block infested with imbeciles became very intolerable, very quickly. Mind you, I did last about a decade before it all became too much.

  59. Mike of Marion

    I buggered that up!!

  60. C.L.

    He luurves Barnsey.

    That’s actionable. Cut that out.

  61. Joe

    Mind you, I did last about a decade before it all became too much.

    Yup, me too.

  62. old bloke

    Peter Castieau
    #2588643, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:42 pm
    Regarding the ministry reshuffle:

    Why do we need a minister for wymmins?

    Why do we need a minister for jobs and innovation?

    Abolish both ministers and their departments is what should happen

    We stand for small and delegated government to serve the people of Australia. When elected we will halve the number of federal ministers to 24 core portfolios, rigorously reduce unproductive overheads and stop wasteful government programs

  63. Arky

    7. The creep across the courtyard always looking in your window before you bought curtains.

  64. Infidel Tiger

    Unless your apartment has a spectacular view it would be hell on earth.

  65. max

    Denton and the squeeze have been milking the taxpayer for ever.

    God has punished him, JC.

    He’s a real shortarse.

    I mean real shortarse. 5’2″ I reckon.

  66. Boambee John

    Minister for Defence Hon Sir James Dickson, KCMG (to 10 January 1901)[2]

    Popular mythology says that Sir James Dickson was part way through an intensive round of briefings by Defence when he had a seizure and died.

    Briefed to death by the bureaucracy!

  67. Boambee John

    Popular mythology in Defence …

  68. cohenite

    The solar impact on climate
    Supplied Editorial Observatory A new study suggests solar activity has had a greater impact on the rise and fall of temperatures than first thought.

    Many papers have established solar controls climate. One of the best is David Stockwell’s:

    http://vixra.org/pdf/1108.0004v1.pdf

    Just read the Abstract and look at figures 4 – 7.

  69. Rabz

    Hon Sir Philip Fysh

    Who presumably had no need for a bycycle.

  70. Arky

    Living in barracks is worse than apartments.
    Espeacially with snoring.

  71. Nick

    I purchased a pair of concrete eagles to stick on the plinths of the steps of the house.

    You live in the headquarters of Kaos?

  72. Rabz

    Popular mythology says that Sir James Dickson was part way through an intensive round of briefings by Defence when he had a seizure and died.

    That’s a bit extreme, innit? He could have just gnawed one of his legs off instead.

  73. Arky

    And waking up at recruit training at 5:00 to stand to attention with your bedsheet over your shoulder looking across the corridor at the same guy every morning with his dick hanging out of his pyjama fly was shit.

  74. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #2588720, posted on December 19, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    He luurves Barnsey.

    That’s actionable. Cut that out

    Sorry.
    Barnsey/Jagger … Jagger/Barnsey.
    Easy mistake to make.

  75. Robber Baron

    Sydney man arrested for travelling to Syria for terror activity

    They’re not sending us their best!

    Thank you Donald. This phrase resonates.

  76. rickw

    I purchased a pair of concrete eagles to stick on the plinths of the steps of the house.

    Are you Albanian? In my limited experience Albanians could never say no to a decent concrete eagle.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    Concrete eagle needs snake in claws.
    Otherwise is no good.

  78. Nick

    And waking up at recruit training at 5:00 to stand to attention with your bedsheet over your shoulder looking across the corridor at the same guy every morning with his dick hanging out of his pyjama fly was shit.

    Ironically, such experiences are now positive ones as part of safe schools curriculum materials.

  79. pete m

    JC
    #2588658, posted on December 19, 2017 at 8:54 pm
    Is the woman who appears in every second picture a sign on bonus?
    Could be tempting.

    I said so earlier. Buy the penthouse, as the gal comes with it.

    You know that wouldn’t be a bad marketing strategy for the top apartments. Advertise the apartment and the gal that goes with the title.

    Women are not chattels JC.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Women are not chattels JC.

    Phht.
    Good luck saying that at Friday prayers.

  81. pete m

    heh – Green vandals pose greater national security threat than climate change – very true:

    The NSS document talks of the economic risks posed by radical greens and their anti-growth agenda, but the most extreme greens pose a far more direct threat against the wellbeing of the American people.

    From WUWT:

    lol.

  82. max

    Watching that car program.

    They’re driving from somewhere across the border to Austria.

    These are the towns they pass through:

    Vank

    Petting

    Kissing

    [email protected]#$king

    Wedding

  83. Arky

    never say no to a decent concrete eagle.

    ..
    These are replacing the two previous ones that got damaged by the plumber, then the lecky knocked the wing off one.
    So yeah. My second set of concrete eagles.
    I’m not proud.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    No concrete eagles but I did snap these two this arvo while I was standing on my front steps.

    Just back from trying out my Christmas present – some lights for treadly. Very pleasant riding the shared path in the cool of the evening.

  85. notafan

    At least you made a friend Arky.

  86. miltonf

    Blows my mind that Trumble’s lefties still get elected in seats like MacKellar because of the Liberal brand.

  87. pete m

    haha Florida man, named, strikes in jail.

    can’t believe this – if you want to pay for sex how hard can it be outside jail?

    some weird fetish perhaps?

  88. Tekweni

    Well Zuma has got the boot in SA. Ramaphosa to lead the ANC. Looks like he will be draining the swamp too. The Guptas must be nervous.

  89. Bruce of Newcastle

    some weird fetish perhaps?

    Could be weirder.

    Fans flock to buy Justin Bieber sex doll

    Eww.

  90. John Constantine

    If Australia denies the right of return to the rapejihadis, the paid informants we rely on will hate us so much they will stop selling us anti terrorism info.

    Our paid informants and our returned, experienced corpse-buggering and beheading jihadis are our strength.

    Comrades.

  91. egg_

    Turnbull the nuclear termite cockroach hybrid will be PM / President for life.

    Not according to the polls.

  92. Fisky

    Great to watch Russia Today for free while overseas. All of the foreigners/Anglos on there are clearly journo school dropouts who couldn’t make the cut in the BBC, CNN, etc. Not that you’d want to make the cut in those disreputable news channels, but Russia Today really is something else with its hiring policies. There is a guy on there all wide-eyed acting shocked that the Euro UN delegates voted against Trump on the Jerusalem question. Truly.

  93. littledozer

    Let me put it plainly, if we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished.

    Let me explain why.

    First, the economy: If Donald Trump’s plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into a prolonged recession.

    Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart. I’m afraid that when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart.

    Onya Mitt

  94. Fisky

    Mitt Romney. What a waste. Sad!

  95. C.L.

    The older Jeremy Clarkson gets the more bangles he wears.

  96. max

    There must have been a hell of a jangling sound when he snotted that Irish producer.

    Like Christmas bells.

  97. Fisky

    Pope Francis‏Verified account @Pontifex
    50s50 seconds ago

    Go out to meet Jesus, spend time with Him in prayer, and entrust your whole life to His merciful love.

    This is a lie. He doesn’t believe Jesus existed.

  98. max

    I’ve never forgotten Clarkson’s recommendation for music to play when you’re moving house.

    Bob Seger.

    Naturally, I’ll await Johanna’s opinion.

  99. Shelley

    Bet the parents are really cool with the guys sick and gross comments to little Julia.

  100. zyconoclast

    Sick. And dangerous too –

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ASRC1/status/943000040632709120

    Why is that mother endangering he daughter like that. (unless the mother wants to bang Walid Zazai)
    Note the emojis used are more appropriate for a girl friend than a little girl.

    #[email protected]

  101. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    New Zealand: Part the Third: (here y’are Gab)

    The Lone Piper: As we sailed out of Dunedin we were serenaded at the end of the pier by a lone bagpiper in full tartan, sporran and spats. Perhaps he expected us all to die on this Plague Ship and this was our ‘piping home’, just like the Scottish Soldier, except we had the Skye Boat Song. I sang along, just to show I really did know the words. People on the hill above the wharf were grouped waving at us, and I wave enthusiastically back, which leads Hairy to launch into a dissertation on the ‘spotting’ community. Ship spotting is the original sport, he tells me, which has existed since time immemorial. You don’t even need to take down numbers or other details, you just hang around the docks: a handy hobby for a certain type of lady perhaps, I refrain from saying. After this in the hierarchy of spotting comes Train Spotting, and then Bus Spotting where numbers and types are important, both manly sports, unlike the more recent Plane Spotting and even Tube Spotting, which are, he thinks, quite pathetic, sadly bad. Now I ask you, what is the reasoning here? I give up even trying to comprehend the pecking order of spotters, let alone fathoming the intensity of their meticulous obsessions, and start bouncing at the deck rail to the Gay Gordons, and joining others in Auld Lang Syne till the piper’s last notes fade with our exit from the wharf.

    The Shaky Isles: Not a misnomer. In every port we visited we were directed to various areas where new land had been formed in the past hundred years by uplift from quakes. Earthquakes are part of life in NZ. We’ve all heard about the 2011 Christchurch quake, but how much did we hear about the Wellington quake in 2016, exactly a year before we were there? If you’re like me, not a lot, and yet here we are, on a City Tour, and it seems every third building is either under repair, about to collapse, or really collapsed, and turned into a temporary carpark, a safe haven for your vehicle. We were told of one TV announcer who lost his waterfront apartment and, in a local multi-story carpark, his brand new 7 Series Beamer. Apparently he delivered his reportage on the quake with tears streaming down his face about his car more so than his home. Perhaps the insurance papers were not yet done. In general, buildings from the 70’s and 80’s fared the worst, and the old wooden buildings mostly stood up very well. One brick deco building can keep its skin, but inside it is totally reframed in steel; so in another bad one it will shake off its external bricks, but still stay standing, saving the people inside, says our guide. Just avoid walking by at the time, I mentally note.

    Roses, Vistas, Zephyrs, Hobbits: Wellington is situated around a huge bay surrounded by hills. Our tour includes the Botanic Gardens, with its Begonia House, which has much better and more interesting begonias than I could ever grow, even with Calli’s advice. There is also a beautiful and large rose garden in full bloom. After that we drive to a famous lookout over the city and its extensive harbor, a view not obscured by trees, because the wise city fathers have cut them all down, so that the hilltop is delightfully bald and open. The wund is not too bad on top today, we are told. Back in town, we drive by the ‘zephyrometer’, a ‘sculpture’ of a large steel needle on a balance, which operates to indicate the force of the wind. Upright is good, but it is often horizontal. When first installed it tended to smash too regularly onto the bonnets of cars on the nearby road, so they had to limit its downward progress a bit. So much for zephyrs. Coming down from the lookout we have passed through the Dead Forest, a dark place, where a Lord of the Rings sequence was filmed. The dead forest is now filled with live Hobbits, people who come from all over the world, says our guide slowing down to point them out. They wear pointed Hobbit ears and put special hairy Hobbit foot covers over their feet, and then engage with each other talking in an arcane Hobbit language. I imagine they go home tired but happy.

    Gallipoli: Final stop is the Museum, and you’ve got twenty-five minutes. It is both large and comprehensive, so we chose to go to the Gallipoli exhibition on the arrivals floor. It is a total knockout. Don’t miss it if you can get to see it in the next three years that it will be showing. We could have spent two hours in there, as there was so much documentation and so many interesting artifacts. It is done in ‘passageway’ style, so once you’re in it’s like childbirth, the only way out is through it, both metaphorically and in physical passageway terms. So we race, but are constantly pulled up by the magnificence of the giant (four or five times normal size) and extremely life-like beautifully envisioned sculptured figures that dominate some of the ‘lobby’ areas of the passageways. Agonised men, men of determined visage, men bearing the aggressive face of attack, and one sculpture of a nurse; a supreme contrast. Not long before exit we find we are in a trench, on close video, men are being blown away next to us, and the ground shakes as mortars and other arsenal break around us. I duck and run, thinking we may actually be in another earthquake. We exit breathless, wishing so much we could go back in and explore it some more.

    Running Aground: There was no official mention of this, but the Ovation of the Seas ran aground going into Napier harbor. This impressive harbor consists in large measure of tidal sandbanks, reminding me of Morecambe Bay near Lancaster in the UK when Hairy and I went to Northern England for his work. The channel is very narrow and shifting. We were an hour late in docking, because a tug had to come and give us a shove of correction from the sandbank to get us in. The Captain did say something about the harbor being at the limit for ships of this size.

    Nap Time: In Napier we went on one of the world’s most boring bus tours, and I fell asleep for some of it. We saw a sort of view of the bay from a low rise, impeded by housing. We were told about the kidnappers of a Maori boy who gave Cape Kidnapper’s its name, but the driver lost the thread of that story so I am unclear about whether the boy was taken there or being returned. Things pepped up a bit when we arrived at an unpromising park, only to discover it was once the site of a great house, Frimley, which burned down, leaving only its hundred year old trees, its rose garden, and a hedge-sheltered avenue lined with old English flowering plants, and where you could still see the original paving that formalized it all.

    Our driver was a plain and simple man, a real workers, keen to please and gearing up to do another shift in the afternoon; proud of his community, his football team, and the five-generation family bus firm who employed him. The ties were long-term and interactive, clearly those of Gemeinschaft not Gesselschaft (look it up). He told us that while unemployment was 5.5%, there was plenty of work for those who wanted it, although many ‘don’t want to work’ but to be on welfare. He drove us through Havelock North, where ‘flash’ schools and ‘flash’ people lived, and he marveled at such things, that such impressive architecture could be provided for mere schoolboys. He concluded with a brief tour of the Napier town architecture, which Hairy and I had visited before, in the rain, recognizing it all again. It is simple in style, a time capsule of course, interesting in its own right, although a cheap replacement after the 1932 earthquake, with many flat roofs, limited decoration for the most part, and not the Streamline Moderne that is found in Miami.

    Marlborough Sound: We did at least get to see one ‘Sound’, another name for a fjord. Marborough Sound was a spectacular sight, both on the way in and during the partytime out. We visited three wineries on a tour of the wine fields, for the area is world famous for its Cabernet Sauvignon whites: crisp and pleasant. We were told by the various owners of these three fairly boutique family-run places that morning drinking was quite de rigeur. We inspected the storage, steel tanks and oak barrels, sampled three wines in each place, and giving an opinion by requesting a second go occasionally. We returned to the ship for lunch slightly dulled in our senses, or is that lulled? Anyway, we bought some wine (mostly Riesling desert wines, for Christmas pudding time), and handed it into the ship’s care till we berthed in Sydney, as required. Docile as we were.

    Jacinta on the Nose: Our driver to the wineries was a smart Gen X man, friends with all the local families, one of them in fact, five generations in Marlborough and proud of his heritage and his family’s wine business. He’d been to school (the one with such impressive architecture for boys) with many of the current vintner’s sons. I asked him about NZ politics and Jacinta. She is bad news for small business, “ruinous” he said outright, with their youth wage policies. Also, he’d expected her to have a honeymoon with the electorate but it just didn’t happen: in less than a month she became widely disliked and is seen as clueless. “Labor was on the nose immediately” he tells me. I mention Australia’s energy policies, and he suddenly turns a bit Green; NZ has ‘good’ energy supplies, from ‘sustainable’ sources. Scratch anyone and you’ll find one, I think. NZ is like Tassie, clean and green and capitalizing on that, but so far having a sensible politics that has held the worst of it at bay (a tiny virtue-signalling carbon tax, geothermic and hydro energy aplenty). Jacinta can do less harm here than Gillard did to us, I reflect to myself, although he may not agree. I told him as far as I was concerned the whole energy/climate hoax was going to send us to the wall in Australia. That leaves all the more opportunity for NZ, I suspect he might have been thinking, in this shaky paradise near Antarctica, leased to the Chinese. ANZAC is long gone.

  102. Crossie

    The irony is that, so I’m told, Gough was a faithful husband and a good father.

    I was told by someone who I expect would be in the know that Gough fancied young men particularly during his Paris posting.

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Forgot to mention this, the highlight for me of it all, so close to Christmas:

    Old St. Paul’s Church: Part of the Wellington Tour, this is an 1870’s wooden marvel, a large Anglican church, wood inside and out, gothic styling, and beautifully set up for Christmas, with the altar a nativity scene with some classic and lovely floral arrangements, the high altar area containing twelve long high windows each depicting in fine stained glass one of the twelve apostles, an organ slowly playing some Christmas carols. There is an American flag hanging from the ceiling, left from the days of World War 2, now placed beside a New Zealand flag, testament to the many soldiers who were stationed and welcomed by Anglican families from this church before they set off for war, and when and if they returned from it. Return many did, taking over two thousand New Zealand girls with them as War Brides, and leaving behind the faint residue of the same sort of bitterness Australian men felt about the GI’s – our driver, our everyman, gave us the familiar mantra of over fed, over paid, over sexed and over here.

  104. Bruce in WA

    for the area is world famous for its Cabernet Sauvignon whites

    ?? Sauvignon blancs??

  105. Fisky

    Why is that mother endangering he daughter like that. (unless the mother wants to bang Walid Zazai) Note the emojis used are more appropriate for a girl friend than a little girl.

    Not to mention putting their mobile number up??? Insane! It’s basically asking for a grooming episode.

  106. BrettW

    That Gallipoli Museum giant figures display mentioned by Liz was put together by Peter Jackson and the guys from WETA who did special effects for Lord of the Rings movies. In another museum Jackson has put together a 5,000 figure Gallipoli diorama. Jackson is a massive history fan and has lots of originals vehicles and uniforms etc. Even has his own aviation museum at Omaka. It is Jackson who produced the short WWI aviation documentary showing at the War Memorial in Canberra.

  107. BrettW

    If anybody can access Daily Telegraph would appreciate a cut and paste about Shortens deal with CFMEU and the editorial that goes with it.

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    Open Letter to Vitamin Companies:

    Please stop making your multivitamin tablets the size of footballs.

    Sincerely

    KD

    Explanatory Note: The size of these frigging things triggers my gag reflex when swallowing. I would make a truly awful girlfriend.

  109. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    5. Noisy neighbours.

    The girl overhead who wore wooden platform shoes, and had a passionate boyfriend, a bed that squeaked and a penchant for vocal orgasms…

  110. C.L.

    Catherine J. Frieman is a lecturer in European archeology at the Australian National University’s school of archeology and anthropology.

    Now that I’ve established who she is, I report that she believes Pauline Hanson’s claim that her grandmother was born at Stonehenge portends a Nazi takeover of Australia or something.

    In The Australian:

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    Pauline Hanson’s Stonehenge gran is not a laughing matter
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    CATHERINE J. FRIEMANThe Australian12:00AM December 20, 2017
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    Of all the strange section 44 news, by far the most surreal was Pauline Hanson’s claim that her grandmother was born at Stonehenge. Stonehenge, if you haven’t managed a visit, is a 4000 to 5000-year-old stone circle in the middle of a field by the side of the A303 in Wiltshire, in the south of England.

    No one lives there — Amesbury, the closest village, is about 5km away. Wags and internet commenters (rightfully) got a bit of a laugh out of this news, and I’ll admit that my first reaction was also to snigger. But, as an archeologist who studies European prehistory, I also know that claims about personal connections to Europe’s past may be more insidious than simple historical misunderstanding. As recent events have demonstrated, European icons now hold sway as status markers of white supremacy.

    For the sake of economy, I’ll abridge her analysis of where Hanson sits in the scheme of things:

    … neo-Nazis … white nationalists … white supremacist … right-wing commentators … Nazi Germany … Adolf Hitler … Nazi Aryans … neo-Nazis … Hitler … the ultra-right … Hitler …

    And to the conclusion:

    So, I doubt that Hanson was engaging in nefarious acts when she listed her grandmother’s place of birth as a 5000-year-old stone circle. But I also can’t just laugh and move on because I know the past is powerful and no site is more English than Stonehenge.

    The settler ideology of European dominance in Australia relies on a belief that European culture, values and traditions are superior to anyone else’s. [Duh – C.L.]. European whites have (Western) civilisation, the rest of the world just has identities.

    Call me alarmist, but when the leader of a right-wing party with explicit planks against multiculturalism, Muslim religious practices and indigenous sovereignty publicly asserts she has a blood tie to a European prehistoric site, I think it’s time to start worrying.

    So there you have it: an entire essay about how cultic oddballs (and Pauline Hanson) who subscribe to a doctored history of their origins, stake a claim to superiority, then hate other races and peoples as a consequence, imperiling the safety and liberties of all of us. And she ends with a defence of … Muslim religious practices.

  111. C.L.

    Catherine J. Frieman is a lecturer in European archeology at the Australian National University’s school of archeology and anthropology.

    Now that I’ve established who she is, I report that she believes Pauline Hanson’s claim that her grandmother was born at Stonehenge portends a Nazi takeover of Australia or something.

    In The Australian:

    Of all the strange section 44 news, by far the most surreal was Pauline Hanson’s claim that her grandmother was born at Stonehenge. Stonehenge, if you haven’t managed a visit, is a 4000 to 5000-year-old stone circle in the middle of a field by the side of the A303 in Wiltshire, in the south of England.

    No one lives there — Amesbury, the closest village, is about 5km away. Wags and internet commenters (rightfully) got a bit of a laugh out of this news, and I’ll admit that my first reaction was also to snigger. But, as an archeologist who studies European prehistory, I also know that claims about personal connections to Europe’s past may be more insidious than simple historical misunderstanding. As recent events have demonstrated, European icons now hold sway as status markers of white supremacy.

    For the sake of economy, I’ll abridge her analysis of where Hanson sits in the scheme of things:

    … neo-Naz1s … white nationalists … white supremacist … right-wing commentators … Naz1 Germany … Ad0lf Htler … Naz1 Aryans … neo-Naz1s … H1tler … the ultra-right … H1tler …

    And to the conclusion:

    So, I doubt that Hanson was engaging in nefarious acts when she listed her grandmother’s place of birth as a 5000-year-old stone circle. But I also can’t just laugh and move on because I know the past is powerful and no site is more English than Stonehenge.

    The settler ideology of European dominance in Australia relies on a belief that European culture, values and traditions are superior to anyone else’s. [Duh – C.L.]. European whites have (Western) civilisation, the rest of the world just has identities.

    Call me alarmist, but when the leader of a right-wing party with explicit planks against multiculturalism, Muslim religious practices and indigenous sovereignty publicly asserts she has a blood tie to a European prehistoric site, I think it’s time to start worrying.

    So there you have it: an entire essay about how cultic oddballs (and Pauline Hanson) who subscribe to a doctored history of their origins, stake a claim to superiority, then hate other races and peoples as a consequence, imperiling the safety and liberties of all of us. And she ends with a defence of … Muslim religious practices.

  112. ZK2A;

    I’ve seen examples of three generations here – grandmother, mother and daughter – and all three morbidly obese.

    Why is it called morbidly obese if they don’t keel over and die when they hit BMI30?

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten working on secret deal with CFMEU in a bid to secure leadership
    EXCLUSIVE, Sharri Markson, The Daily Telegraph
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    BILL Shorten is working on a secret deal with the grubby CFMEU and the hard-core left to secure his leadership in return for giving the union spots in his federal Labor team.

    The Daily Telegraph has obtained a leaked working agreement of a deal currently being negotiated between Mr Shorten, the CFMEU’s Victorian Assistant Secretary Shaun Reardon, who is facing blackmail charges, and the Industrial Left (IL), which includes the Maritime Union of Australia, Rail Tram and Bus Union, the Financial Sector Union and the Health and Community Services Union.

    A day before the crucial Bennelong by-election last weekend, Mr Shorten met with factional players Adem Somyurek, who was forced to resign from Victorian cabinet over bullying claims two years ago and the Plumbers Union’s Earl Setches as well as factional ally Andrew Landeryou in his office to discuss the agreement, which has not yet been signed.

    A key part of the deal Mr Shorten is broking with the militant unions to give them more power in federal Parliament — including a safe seat.

    “This agreement replaces the previous ‘Stability Deal’ which allocated held seats to individual factions over many years, fettering the democratic rights of the membership and affiliated trade unions,” it states. “It is, however, recognised that the IL (which includes a significant number of unions and rank and file members) is not adequately represented in state and federal parliamentary or party structures due to the operation of the Stability Agreements. The IL will also be supported for a safe seat in the round of 2022 federal seat preselections … ”.

    The agreement states its “focus” is to re-elect Bill Shorten, and his Centre Unity (CU) faction, at a federal level.

    “The focus of this approach and this Alliance is to ensure a re-elected Andrews Labor Government in Victoria and a Shorten Labor government nationally,” it states.

    “Where seats become vacant or new seats created, CU and the IL will support each others’ candidates.”
    A Labor source claims there were plans to move on frontbench Labor MP Jenny Macklin.

    A Labor source claimed there were plans to move on frontbench Labor MP Jenny Macklin in her seat of Jagajaga and Andrew Giles in Scullin, both in Victoria, as part of the deal.

    It comes with the NSW right furious at Mr Shorten’s decision to dump Sam Dastyari from the Senate. The move threatens to rock the stability of his leadership.

    A senior NSW ALP source said Mr Shorten’s move against the right by walking away from Mr Dastyari left him vulnerable. “There was no one more loyal to Bill than Sam and now that he’s gone, who is there to hold back the floodgates?” the source said.

    This the article, BrettW?

  114. Joe;

    Which is ironic since it is they that want to destroy urbanisation via their loopy views. At the same time, they enjoy the fruits of urbanisation as they are usually wealthy. It is absolutely bizarre and a normal person would suspect something external to them is driving it – especially as they all seem to be in lockstep.

    It’s because environmentalism is cult.
    The leaders of the cult supply all the questions you are allowed to ask, and give you the answers as well.
    Step outside the boundaries of the cult and you will be crucified.

  115. Leigh Lowe

    Where are Tom’s ‘toons?

  116. Where are Tom’s ‘toons?

    Quite so. Was wondering what seemed to be missing.

  117. Up The Workers!

    I see in the headlines that in deepest, darkest Victoriastan, the C.F.M.E.U. have sensationally split from Dodgy Dan the C.F.M.E.U.-Man’s faction of the Crims’ Party, thereby putting his “Leadership” (by which they mean ‘parroting to the Party presstitutes whatever his daily instructions are’) at risk.

    The question is: Was Dodgy Dan too criminal for their likings, or was he not nearly criminal ENOUGH?

  118. pete m

    Chop the pills in half – self help

  119. Tom

    Slim pickings as most of the best cartoonists are taking a break for Christmas.

    Ben Garrison.

  120. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bill Shorten working on secret deal with CFMEU in a bid to secure leadership

    That fits well with odious Tony Sheldon getting Dasty’s Senate seat.
    Can never be too many payoffs for the wukkas.

  121. struth

    I’m amazed.
    Colour me pink.
    I get up this morning to the news that scientists have found that the sun affects our climate.
    ………………….words fail.

    These people expect me to believe this insanity.
    Our climate is caused by western white men and their disgusting practice of breathing.

  122. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oh noes, another profligate Trump appointee!

    EPA chief Pruitt spent $9,000 to sweep office for bugs, install biometric locks: report

    Already under fire for spending $25,000 on a soundproof phone booth, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt also reportedly spent $9,000 to sweep his Washington office for bugs and to install biometric locks.

    Citing sources at the agency, the Associated Press reported the expenditures Tuesday afternoon.

    I wonder why he felt the need to sweep for bugs and to change the locks? It’s a mystery.

  123. rickw

    I’m amazed.
    Colour me pink.
    I get up this morning to the news that scientists have found that the sun affects our climate.
    ………………….words fail.

    +1

  124. calli

    Fascinating article, Zippy. I was interested in the picture and its caption which looked a bit wrong. It’s a depiction of the last frost fair on the Thames in 1683, not 1897.

    Seems the editors at the UK Tele are as slack as their Aussie counterparts.

    Good luck with taxing cosmic rays.

  125. Mother Lode

    Aaaaaand, because it cannot he said often enough:

    Fuck off, Septimus.

  126. calli

    Need coffee. The last frost fair was in 1814. Just in case the correctobot strikes.

  127. The Current Process
    1. Pollies bribed
    2. Thugs imported
    3. Thugs break law
    4. Police do nothing
    5. Public complains
    6. Police militarised
    7. Militarised police arrest complaining public

    A Better Way
    1. Honest Pollies
    2. No Thugs
    3. Police do their job

    Join Australian Conservatives here

  128. Geriatric Mayfly

    That fits well with odious Tony Sheldon getting Dasty’s Senate seat.

    Could explain why Sheldon is on his best behaviour. No airline strikes before Christmas I notice.

  129. calli

    Here’s another sketch of the frozen Thames, this time with a newly minted St Pauls and neatly laid out streets beneath. London Bridge is still there – apparently it was a factor in the freezing process as its many arches impeded flow.

  130. In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function.
    We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise.
    We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.
    We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.
    C.S. Lewis

  131. Mother Lode

    But… but da ebil kapitalismo

    Yeah, but capitalists want to explore stars, so there is in fact a connection.

    One good enough for a greeny at any rate.

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    apparently it was a factor in the freezing process as its many arches impeded flow.

    Correct me if I am wrong. The Thames at this point is tidal, and I assume the water would be saline to some degree. It takes extra oomph to freeze salty water, therefore I assume the temperatures must have been extremely low to do this.

  133. Mother Lode

    Seems the editors at the UK Tele are as slack as their Aussie counterparts

    I think the caption was supposed to say it was an ice fair in 1997 – thus underscoring the terrifying, calamitous influence of modern western white men with the electric lights, their horseless carriages, and their EKG machines.

  134. calli

    An interesting test of the totem pole. Who will be at the top – aggrieved “victims” or venerable gay man?

  135. ALP/LNP/GRN Uniparty 2018 Election Platfrom

    1. White voters don’t matter
    2. Illegal aliens before Australians
    3. [email protected] is just another legitimate sexual orientation
    4. Having pride in Australia is racism
    5. Lower taxes is selfishness
    6. Free speech is hate speech
    7. Disagreement is assault

    h/t @skyrider 4538

  136. calli

    Mayfly, would it depend on the rate of flow of fresh water from upstream vs the tide? Also the volume of salt water to fresh and whether the salt is more concentrated at depth.

    The Little Ice Age has piqued my interest – looks like a good reading subject for the Christmas break.

  137. Rae

    Running Aground: There was no official mention of this, but the Ovation of the Seas ran aground going into Napier harbor. This impressive harbor consists in large measure of tidal sandbanks, reminding me of Morecambe Bay near Lancaster in the UK when Hairy and I went to Northern England for his work. The channel is very narrow and shifting. We were an hour late in docking, because a tug had to come and give us a shove of correction from the sandbank to get us in. The Captain did say something about the harbor being at the limit for ships of this size.

    No official mention because there was no running aground.

    The very big ships come to a virtual standstill as a number of small tugs assist them to perform a very slow turn to starboard. These ships then slowly reverse into position at the Napier dock.

  138. The Little Ice Age has piqued my interest –

    It never happened – just ask Michael Mann.
    He’s got a hockey stick graph that proves it.

  139. Tel

    ALP/LNP/GRN Uniparty 2018 Election Platfrom

    1. White voters don’t matter

    Don’t feel so bad, Julie Owens voted yes, despite most of her electorate (Christians, Maronites, Muslims, Druze, etc) voting no… so the political calculus is also that working class immigrants don’t matter because they reliably seem to vote for the ALP.

    https://www.thewesties.com.au/julie-owens-member-parramatta/

    Basically, if your electorate is not marginal then you get ignored. It’s a universal principle.

  140. Tom

    1. White voters don’t matter
    2. Illegal aliens before Australians
    3. [email protected] is just another legitimate sexual orientation
    4. Having pride in Australia is racism
    5. Lower taxes is selfishness
    6. Free speech is hate speech
    7. Disagreement is assault

    I would love to know at which point* in the second half of the 20th century the left’s advocacy for the underdog transmogrified into the self-loathing of today’s de facto ruling class, which, like some homeless derro, pretends it is a downtrodden victim of everything while living in a million-dollar house and voting for the end of civilisation.

    It really is a quite odd mental illness.
    ________________________________________________________________________
    * In Australia, I think it was the election of the Howard government in 1996 after a decade of Liars rule when the left’s discontent became a headless rage.

  141. Rae

    Nice bit of hail last night in Melbourne.

    Drone pilots will be busy for a few days surveying the damaged roofs for the insurance companies.

  142. notafan

    DRR

    The casting couch

    Apparently certain types of prostitution are now manifestations of ‘rape culture’ if McKellen is being accused of condoning rape on the basis of his factual statements about proffered sex back in the day.

    Maybe they are, though I think rape culture is a misnomer, forced, coerced, manipulated, being realistic about the price of a job in a glamour industry where being successful means you really are the most beautifulist, a talented actress indeed, advance signalling you are prepared to pay that price just smooths the path.

    I have no doubt that some women avoided it and got in on talent or family connections.

    Not seeing much rape rape.

    I linked an article from First Things the other day which said, amongst other things that the sexual revolution meant ‘women being available for recreational sex any place, any time’ of course many women cooperate in that delusion.

    Clearly some men in positions of power had very high expectations of that being the case.

    A lot of people flailing about being angry, too blind to see what caused the culture they now claim to despise, too blind to see that they are grand participants in the same thing (abortion contraception living together casual sex.you name it, it’s a package deal)

    Maybe they’ll work out that pussy hats are just part of the problem.

  143. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2588839, posted on December 20, 2017 at 7:31 am

    Fuck off Grigory Shaw

  144. calli

    his factual statements about proffered sex back in the day.

    It was known, it was accepted by some as a means to an end. Trump had the hide to talk candidly about it.

    The MSM is dressing up McKellen’s comments as “controversial claims”. No they aren’t.

  145. nerblnob

    An interesting test of the totem pole. Who will be at the top – aggrieved “victims” or venerable gay man?

    He’ll be declared “far right” any time now.

  146. Wild Oats IX struck by lightning.
    Proving once again that God is real, and She has a wicked sense of humour.

    Oatley and his crew are going to be busy the next few days.

  147. lotocoti

    Whilst reading a little from the latest crop of tax eating scolds, I was surprised to discover there’s a UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food.
    I would’ve thought she/he/it would be more concerned with the right to food in progressive nirvanas such as Venezuela than the marketing of soft drinks in Australia.

  148. Mother Lode

    Just reading some other Barry Goldwater quotes. Love this:

    Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed.

    I am frankly sick and tired of the political preachers telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

    Sounds like our Greens and SJWs.

    I am a conservative Republican, but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don’t hurt anyone else in the process.

    Sounds good to me.

    Throughout history, government has proved to be the chief instrument for thwarting man’s liberty.

    Sounds about right.

    I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible.

    Sounds like a plan.

    The Republicans have a positive talent for self-destruction.

    Sounds irrefutable.

  149. Rabz

    his factual statements about proffered sex back in the day

    Speaking of:

    Streep, who once likened Weinstain* to “God”, insisted she “wasn’t deliberately silent”

    She certainly wasn’t silent while she was leading standing ovations for child rapists.

    Utterly vile hypocritical moral vacuums.

    *Actual typo from the Oz.

  150. notafan

    Spoke too soon about hail damage, a reprieve of 2010.

    Going to lodge an insurance claim and deal when I get back.

    Last time I waited months anyhow. The insurance company got a mob of hail damage specialists down from Sydney.

    Plumbing apprentice son will inspect roof for my this afternoon.

    Handy son to have.

  151. Rabz

    Grate – stupid frigging spaminator’s just eaten a comment.

  152. Rabz

    You evil lying slag:

    “It hurt to be attacked by Rose McGowan in banner headlines this weekend, but I want to let her know I did not know about Weinstein’s crimes, not in the 90s when he attacked her, or through subsequent decades when he proceeded to attack others,” Streep said in a statement to the Huffington Post. “I wasn’t deliberately silent. I didn’t know. I don’t tacitly approve of rape. I didn’t know. I don’t like young women being assaulted. I didn’t know this was happening.”

    The gall of these despicable hollyweird arseholes. Unbelievable.

  153. JC

    Rabz

    Tweet and tell her what you think. Remind her she called Harvey, “God”.

  154. Empire GTHO Phase III

    I would love to know at which point* in the second half of the 20th century the left’s advocacy for the underdog transmogrified into the self-loathing of today’s de facto ruling class, which, like some homeless derro, pretends it is a downtrodden victim of everything while living in a million-dollar house and voting for the end of civilisation.

    Advocacy for the underdog?

    The left has always been a self serving play thing for guilt-ridden bourgeoisie. The truly maginalised have always been expendable.

  155. Rabz

    Tweet and tell her what you think. Remind her she called Harvey, “God”.

    I’m not on twatter, JC. Feel free to remind her for me. Don’t forget to mention she wasn’t silent while leading a standing ovation for another vile hollyweird dirtbag in exile.

  156. Tel

    The left has always been a self serving play thing for guilt-ridden bourgeoisie. The truly maginalised have always been expendable.

    Yup. Promise a lot, deliver a little. The underclasses are offered some limited opportunity to loot those they are envious of, but only enough to keep them onside. It’s a political device and nothing more than that.

  157. memoryvault
    #2588855, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:15 am
    Wild Oats IX struck by lightning.

    Just had a look at the late Bob Oatley’s details on Wikipedia.
    From His tasks in his first job included delivering letters by hand to other local businesses and to fill the company’s inkwells. to businessman, winemaker, yachtsman and philanthropist.
    A great Australian success story.

  158. struth

    Just joined the Australian Conservatives this morning.

    I think it’s the right thing to do, I suppose.

  159. Boambee John

    BoN at 0638

    Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt also reportedly spent $9,000 to sweep his Washington office for bugs

    Apart from the cockroaches on tbe EPA staff, did he find any?

  160. struth #2588879, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:05 am

    Just joined the Australian Conservatives this morning.
    I think it’s the right thing to do, I suppose.

    Good man struth.

  161. His tasks in his first job included delivering letters by hand to other local businesses and to fill the company’s inkwells.

    I was just discussing that with Mrs MV, Old School.
    Can you imagine one of today’s millennials being offered the job filling the inkwells?

  162. struth

    It’s only 25 bucks for membership

  163. Boambee John

    Riccardo at 0659

    Don’t wish to be a pedant, but Shorten doesn’t lack a chest, it is just that the chest he has doesn’t match his chromosonal orientation.

  164. Rabz

    Just joined the Australian Conservatives this morning.
    I think it’s the right thing to do, I suppose.

    I’ll be giving joining them some thought over the holidays. Still not convinced it’s a wise thing to do – and the Groucho(?) Marx quote comes to mind as well.

  165. Boambee John #2588884, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:13 am

    Coffee over keyboard!

  166. John Constantine

    Looking a Riccardo’s list of how the proles will be dealt with.

    Once their bribed quisling politicians have imported enough crime and terrorism to justify creating a Stasi police state to enforce political stability, the obsolete Australian proles will Have to be arrested in big numbers to prove our political elites are not racist.

    This will keep our paid informants selling us information on terrorism, like selling us the news that bacon being dropped near a mosquebunker as domestic terrorism.

    The bacon dropping prole will then be locked up as a racist anti mosquebunker terrorist in the supermosque prison system and be arseraped to death by our imported prison ruling overlords.

    Death sentence for carelessness with bacon, that will be an example that inculcates craven compliance down in the proles.

  167. Leigh Lowe

    Already under fire for spending $25,000 on a soundproof phone booth, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt also reportedly spent $9,000 to sweep his Washington office for bugs and to install biometric locks.

    Citing sources at the agency, the Associated Press reported the expenditures Tuesday afternoon.

    Mmmyes.
    This newfound concern for the public purse is touching but where were they when Obumbi’s appointee spent $10 million flying 420 EPA employees to Paris for Save da Planet.
    As for special door locks they were late to the party on Matt Lauer’s tricky little door locks too.

  168. Top Ender

    In the local paper:

    SENSITIVE Santa will be in the Smith St Mall today and Friday – welcoming kids who need a calmer, quieter visit with the man in red.

    The slower-paced Santa experience is designed for kids with autism or special needs.

    The program invites families with a child on the autism spectrum to have a photo with Santa without the common hustle and bustle and sensory overload of a shopping centre.

    Families can choose a time suitable, which means no queues, to have their child or children photographed with Santa in an autism-friendly environment.

    Yesterday on the radio also heard of people who regularly have “anxiety attacks” as having disability etc etc.

    Not sure how any of these people coped in the harsher world of yesterday….

  169. calli

    Oatley was involved in the PNG coffee industry. When the industry was nationalised, his company stayed on to manage it. Despite the riches, he was a very down-to-earth type. Sandy is a dead ringer.

    When he bought the first boat, he asked the staff to think up a name. Wild Oats was the pick.

  170. calli

    Oatley’s “Alan Bond Moment” came when Southcorp bought out Rosemount for an obscene sum. So he bought an island with part of the proceeds. As you do. 😀

  171. Mother Lode

    Just joined the Australian Conservatives this morning.

    I think it’s the right thing to do, I suppose.

    The only thing that should cause you any worry is whether Monty comes on here and declares that they will do well in the next election.

    If he does, then Bernardi might as well immediately put all the office furniture on E-Bay.

    I have no doubt that Trump is daily buoyed, in his morning security briefings, by the NSA reporting that Monts is still proclaiming that Trump’s arrest will be any day now. Just you wait.

    He is a Harbinger of Doh.

  172. Up The Workers!

    Australia must REALLY hate the Poms.

    In the space of a week, we have beat them three-nil in the Ashes and reclaimed the Sacred Urn from the M.C.C., and then we added gross insult to mortal injury by appointing the egregiously cringeworthy SSM Brandis as our Ambassador to Pomland.

    We don’t even treat our enemies THAT discourteously!

    It’s just as well the Poms have a good sense of humour and can appreciate a joke – and as long as they do, we’ll keep sending them over there as Ambassadors when they become too dysfunctional for the Sheltered Workshop down the burrow under that big Canberra flagpole.

  173. Boambee John

    Riccardo Bosi
    #2588886, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:15 am
    Boambee John #2588884, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:13 am

    Coffee over keyboard!

    Sorry about that, Chief!

  174. ‘Happiness’ by Anonymous

    Scene: Malcolm Turnbull, Bill Shorten and Richard Di Natale are flying on a Government VIP jet to Canberra.

    Turnbull: You know, I could throw a $1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy.

    Shorten: I could throw ten $100 bills out of the window and make ten people very happy.

    Di Natale: That being the case, I could throw one hundred $10 bills out of the window and make a hundred people very happy.

    Pilot: I could throw all three of you out the window and make 25 million people ecstatic.

  175. Mother Lode

    welcoming kids who need a calmer, quieter visit with the man in red.

    Somehow, I doubt it is the kids who are riven with nebulous shifting guilt, and bubbling with neuroses.

  176. Rae

    Could be hot today. Already 36⁰ where the sun is on the back patio near the pool, 32⁰ on the front verandah which is still in the shade.

  177. Baldrick

    Families can choose a time suitable, which means no queues, to have their child or children photographed with Santa in an autism-friendly environment.

    Or you could just jump the queue like TheirABC’s Leigh Sales.

  178. struth

    SENSITIVE Santa will be in the Smith St Mall today and Friday – welcoming kids who need a calmer, quieter visit with the man in red

    Nothing calm and quiet about the Smith Street mall when the locals come though.

  179. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2588900, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:29 am

    You must be confused Septimus that people here give a toss about your comfort.
    Now fuck off Kitteh stalker.

  180. H B Bear

    Australia House has always been a dumping ground for old political rubbish. Just business as usual.

  181. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2588900, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:29 am
    Could be hot today. Already 36⁰ where the sun is on the back patio near the pool, 32⁰ on the front verandah which is still in the shade.

    Same pool?

    Grigory M
    #2313156, posted on March 2, 2017 at 9:35 am
    I have a safety ramp in the pool so that any critters can climb out if need be – it’s white so they can easily see it, day or night.
    _______
    Libby Zee
    #2380944, posted on May 15, 2017 at 10:55 pm
    Filled ours from the back tap. Water was clean and clear, with a slight chlorine smell. Had a dip in it as soon as it was full.

  182. calli

    Now that’s a thought. Ceement pond time.

  183. Nick

    Lol Baldrick, I was just thinking the same thing.

  184. struth

    Somebody as high profile and as active in the corrupt Liberal party as Brandis, just up and becomes ambassador to GB.

    These jobs are allocated after you lose power.

    Something very fishy going on there.

  185. The Oz continues it’s leftist decline.
    The last Weekend Magazine has a paean of praise for Charlie Pickering, left wing “comedian”.
    It includes three leading questions about Trump being beyond satire and setting fire to the White House.

    Scroll by is the only solution.

  186. struth

    It does seem to also have the same mind numbing banality to it.

  187. Mother Lode

    Sensitive Santa?

    I assume the kids hop up on his lap and are immediately deluged with Santa’s anxieties about how he sees Mrs Clause as a ‘human female’ rather than a ‘female human’, the damage reindeer farts are having on climate, and how many starving African orphans will die if he eats the non-Fair Trade cookies that some people leave out.

  188. Tom

    God’s work, Baldrick. Bless you.

  189. Ivan Denisovich

    A stitch-up:

    Thirty-five of the fifty-seven case studies shone a spotlight on the churches, justified by the claim that sixty per cent of all complaints related to religious groups. But that figure was skewed by ignoring many state institutions, including the schools, the difficult area of domestic abuse, and Muslims.

    The Catholic Church targetted:

    If I take the situation of the Catholic Church as an example, it is because the Royal Commission has allowed the impression that it was the most wicked institution. Umpteen times the figures have been trotted out: 4445 people alleged abuse between 1980 and 2015, in 4765 claims. But the vast majority of abuses began between 1950 and 1989, and nearly one-third of them in the 1970s. It took at an average of 33 years for these people to make a claim. A whopping seven per cent of Catholic priests were condemned for abusive practices, leaving only 93% innocents to tend their flocks and administer schools and hospitals.

    And the Church’s response before the McLellan posse rode into the corral?

    Some $276.1 million paid out against 3066 claims, at an overall average of $91,000. For the Jesuits, the average payment was $257,000. The Melbourne Response, initiated by the vilified Archbishop George Pell, had the highest proportion of claims resulting in monetary compensation. 84% of claims resulted in a monetary payout.

    But the statistics the Royal Commission has published for the numbers of “alleged perpetrators” are not the raw figures. They have been adjusted using ‘weighted average’ (more correctly, weighted mean) methodology. Its report on Case Study 50; Institutional Review of Catholic Church Authorities, claims that there have been no objections to the method, but I am not sure it would withstand independent actuarial scrutiny.

    The Commission has weighted (adjusted) the numbers of “alleged perpetrators” for each diocese or religious order, according to the number of years each had been in the ministry, between 1950 and 2010.

    The effect of this technique can be seen to have inflated the numbers of “alleged perpetrators” in the Adelaide Archdiocese, for example, from 2.4% to 4.1%, and in Melbourne from 6.9% to 8.1%. In the case of the St John of God Brothers, whose alleged abuse ratio was highlighted as the most scandalous, weighted averaging had the effect of raising the proportion from 30.4% to 40.4%

    The weighted average technique is commonly and properly used daily in, for example the Stock Exchange, in determining the average value of a share at a point in time. Applying it to abuse assumes that the longer a priest or other religious remains in the ministry, the more likely it is that he has offended. Wrong – it merely indicates the more opportunity he has had to offend, but says nothing about the actuality of abuse. Increasing the alleged abuse numbers by a statistical trick seems both unnecessary and unworthy of a Royal Commission.

    Luck is being generous:

    So, taking advantage of its extraordinarily wide terms of reference, the Commission proceeded to urge generous cash payments to victims without justifying how it would help them, some thirty, forty or more years after their abuse, and gratuitously recommended how a major faith should reform its sacraments, despite evidence that such moves would be at best debatable, and at worst irrelevant.

    Yes, real victims, but also a chancer’s paradise:

    In a bias towards helping abuse victims face their demons by story-telling, the Royal Commission has not only taken their stories at face value, but also recommended that scant proof be required for compensation payments. What verification was sought of the complaints and claims made in the eight thousand private sessions? To contemplate that grants of up to $200,000 be made on the basis of “reasonable likelihood” and a statutory declaration demonstrated a detachment from responsible policy formulation.

    I have personal experience of the Commission’s unwillingness to entertain the possibility of fraud amongst the many potential claimants for the billions which will be paid out. In January this year, I wrote a nine-page letter warning of the likely fraudulent claim from a convicted murderer who had already attempted a $66 million extortion on one school, and tried claims on two others, one of which had yielded him at least $130.000.

    I pointed out the Greensill case in Victoria (Greensill v The Queen [2012] VSCA 306) showed how an easy presumption of guilt, the protection of anonymity granted to abuse complainants, and the difficulty of establishing facts in the distant past, combined to provide opportunity for false allegations to succeed. (Josephine Greensill, a retired teacher spent two and a half years in jail after two men claimed she abused them when aged eight. Her convictions were overturned on appeal). I said I believed society needed to be alert to this possibility, while in its vigorous pursuit of paedophilia. The response boiled down essentially to the fact that such concerns were outside the Commission’s terms of reference.

    So nobody foresaw the scope for criminal pretence?

    http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/12/commissions-sins-venial-mortal/

  190. Leigh Lowe

    Rae

    #2588900, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:29 am

    Could be hot today. Already 36⁰ where the sun is on the back patio near the pool, 32⁰ on the front verandah which is still in the shade.

    Don’t drown or anything.

  191. Rae

    Now that’s a thought. Ceement pond time.

    Maybe later, when it’s warm.

  192. Top Ender

    British actor Sir Ian McKellen claims women should bear some of the blame for the sexual abuse scandal convulsing the entertainment world, because some trade sex for choice roles.

    “People must be called out and it’s sometimes very difficult for victims to do that,’ the Lord Of The Rings star said in a talk at the Oxford Union recently.

    “I hope we’re going through a period that will help to eradicate it altogether. But from my own experience, when I was starting acting in the early Sixties, the director of the theatre I was working at showed me some photographs he got from women who were wanting jobs … some of them had at the bottom of their photograph ‘DRR’— directors’ rights respected. In other words, if you give me a job, you can have sex with me.

    ‘That was commonplace from people who proposed that they should be a victim. Madness. People have taken advantage of that and encouraged it and it absolutely will not do.”

    Following his comments, people took to social media to criticise the award winning actor. One Twitter user wrote: “Sir Ian McKellen doesn’t know the different between consent, coercion and rape.”

    McKellen said he supports victims of sexual predators such as Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey coming forward. But the 78-year-old actor says he is concerned about the risk of false allegations.

    “I assume nothing but good will come out of these revelations, even though some people get wrongly accused — there’s that side of it as well,” he said.

    McKellen, who came out in 1988 to lobby for gay rights in the UK, and who worked briefly with the House of Cards actor at London’s Old Vic, described as “reprehensible” Spacey’s coming out after claims of sexual abuse against an under-age man were made against him.

    “The circumstances in which he chose to do it are reprehensible because it linked alleged underage sex with a declaration of sexuality,” he said.

    Oz link – comments live

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
    Bill Shorten in ‘seats for union support’ deal

    Staff Writers
    The Australian
    12:00AM December 20, 2017

    Bill Shorten is allegedly offering spots in his federal Labor team to union officials in return for their support of his leadership.

    The Daily Telegraph reports today it had obtained a leaked working agreement of a deal being neg­otiated between the Opposition Leader, CFMEU Vic­torian assistant secretary Shaun Reardon and members of the Industrial Left, which includes the Maritime Union of Australia, Rail Tram and Bus Union, the ­Finance Sector Union and the Health and Community Services Union.

    As The Australian revealed yesterday, Mr Shorten met factional players Adem Somyurek, Andrew Land­eryou and Earl Setches in his office on Friday before the ­Benne­long by-election to discuss the deal, which has yet to be signed.

    The deal includes offering the unions greater political power in federal parliament, including a safe seat. “This agreement re­places the previous ‘Stability Deal’ which allocated held seats to individual factions over many years, fettering the democratic rights of the membership and affilia­ted trade unions,” The Daily Telegraph says the agreement states. “It is … recognised that the IL (which includes a significant number of ­unions and rank-and-file) is not adequately represented in state and federal parliamentary or party structures due to the operation of the Stability Agreements. The IL will be supported for a safe seat in the round of 2022 federal seat preselections.” The agreement states its “focus” is to re-elect Mr Shorten and his ­Centre Unity faction.

    From the Oz. Mr Andrew Landeryou, A.K.A. Mr Kimberly Kitchen. She got her bottom smacked by the TURC, and was then parachuted into the Senate…

  194. Tintarella di Luna

    British actor Sir Ian McKellen claims women should bear some of the blame for the sexual abuse scandal convulsing the entertainment world, because some trade sex for choice roles.

    How could that be possible, don’t you know it’s always the man’s fault? It all started with the story of Adam and Eve – but according to the current wave of toxic feminism women are always innocent of everything.

  195. C.L.

    McKellen has a special pass to say what he did because he’s a homosexual, of course.
    Feminist police will light up his vehicle but call off the pursuit.

  196. struth

    I can’t hang around here all day, as a white western male, I have a busy day ahead persecuting minorities, raping women, causing climate change, and I haven’t even finished slapping the missus about for not doing the dishes last night.
    Thank god I get paid more than everybody else, as is my white privilege.

  197. Ivan Denisovich

    Worth noting that sufferers of abuse haven’t been the only victims:

    Josephine Greensill, a retired teacher spent two and a half years in jail after two men claimed she abused them when aged eight. Her convictions were overturned on appeal

    And Pell in the crosshairs.

  198. stackja

    BS job, TURC , Get Church, now IK. Plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

  199. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Scotland Yard to review hundreds of sex cases after SECOND rape trial collapses in evidence blunder involving the SAME detective responsible for student’s rape trial collapse

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5196181/Scotland-Yard-review-hundreds-rape-cases.html#ixzz51kgQo0o7
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    I hope they sue for millions.

  200. Who do you reckon has the photographs of Brandis?

  201. notafan

    Wow the same detective involved in appalling stitch ups, twice.

    Incompetence, malice or both.

    And most like a diversity hire as well.

    I bet the British won’t enquire into that.

  202. Infidel Tiger

    Paul Ryan and Trump have done a great job on the tax bill.

  203. Tom

    How could that be possible, don’t you know it’s always the man’s fault? It all started with the story of Adam and Eve – but according to the current wave of toxic feminism women are always innocent of everything.

    Yes, Tinta. For accuracy’s sake, 21st century “feminism” needs a new name. I suggest
    femo-infantilism. There’s no way frightbats can be treated like adults when they’re balling like
    four-year-olds.

  204. stackja

    Press Council Adjudication
    The Daily Telegraph
    December 20, 2017 12:00am
    Subscriber only
    The Press Council considered a complaint from The Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy Association of Australasia about an article published in The Daily Telegraph on 12 July 2017, headed “FAT CHANCE OF BEING HEALTHY: Young Aussies have only themselves to blame” in print and “Junk food, alcohol and drugs are fuelling health crisis in young adults” online.

    The Council concludes that the reference to ill health and blame in the headlines, with the statistic about same-sex attraction displayed among factors such as obesity and drug use, suggested same-sex attraction is unhealthy and blameworthy. As a result, the article caused substantial offence, distress, prejudice and risk to public health and safety, and there was no public interest justifying this. Accordingly, the publication breached General Principle 6.

  205. John Comnenus

    I.T. no, Ryan and McConnell have failed to do the detailed i dotting and t crossing resulting in a necessary revote in the House. GOP Congressmen and Senators are truly incompetent. Had natch to do with Trump. Trump is still waiting for Congress to do its job get get the tax cut bill passed and onto his desk for signature.
    I am almost expecting the House and or Senate to deliberately torpedo the bill so the economy goes south. Otherwise they will have to accept that Trump is doing well economically.

    The never Trumpers can’t have that because we all know Trump is an imbecile who is uniquely ill prepared for the role of President. Funny how he seems to be doing a much better than at least the last four Presidents.

  206. Leigh Lowe

    incoherent rambler

    #2588931, posted on December 20, 2017 at 10:31 am

    Who do you reckon has the photographs of Brandis?

    It would likely be the goat farmer, the owner of the bath-house or the night-shift embalmer.

  207. stackja

    notafan
    #2588932, posted on December 20, 2017 at 10:32 am

    Photo at link shows ‘diverse’ DC Mark Azariah.

  208. cohenite

    Roy Spencer’s birthday today. A great scientist and a really decent bloke. Completely courageous too.

  209. Makka

    You deserve a medal, Baldrick.

  210. Delta A

    Not sure how any of these people coped in the harsher world of yesterday….

    Many of them didn’t and were locked up (literally) in ghastly institutions, some from a very early age. Out of sight, out of mind, unless one worked in these places or had a relative residing there.

    Now that community integration is the fashion, and the institutions mostly gone, these people (and their sometimes bizarre behaviours) are exposed to public ridicule and judgement.

    Having said that, there are some who exaggerate their (or their child’s) disability in order to gain advantage.

    Btw, having worked for two decades with children with autism/Asperger, I can state that they rarely – if ever – enjoy meeting Santa. They have enough difficulty making sense of the world without having some hairy fat guy in a red suit ho-ho-hoing all over them.

  211. C.L.

    Parents’ group wants Coca-Cola Christmas Truck banned from Carols in the Domain

    Escalate.

  212. stackja

    Delta A
    #2588945, posted on December 20, 2017 at 10:55 am
    Out of sight, out of mind

    Now unfunded?

  213. candy

    Something very fishy going on there.

    George Brandis does not strike me as truthful. It does sound fishy.
    Perhaps a girlfriend in the UK? Even the unlikeliest people can have double lives and Canberra is a kind of closed scene and keeps secrets.

    He seems to be loving his AG job but has been pushed.

  214. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Photo at link shows ‘diverse’ DC Mark Azariah.

    I was wondering about the “diversity”, indeed.

  215. Makka

    Perhaps a girlfriend in the UK?

    Madam Lash is going to be very busy.

  216. Des Deskperson

    “Parents’ group wants Coca-Cola Christmas Truck banned from Carols in the Domain”

    Parents’ Voice is at least partly underwritten by the taxpayer.

    https://parentsvoice.org.au/about/

    One of its ‘partners’ is the Victorian Department of health and two Vichealth bureaucrats are on the Steering Committee, a role they doubtless get paid to undertake.

  217. stackja

    No Coke Alice supports nude food days

    Nude food days are usually held by participating schools once or twice a week, encouraging lunchboxes to be free of disposable packaging. This results in lunches that are more environmentally friendly, and have less junk food.

    Parents’ Voice Campaigns Manager: Alice Pryor, says “Our parents are very supportive of nude food days at schools. They reduce requests for junk food in lunchboxes, while still allowing for the occasional treat. They are a simple way to encourage more wholefoods, vegetables and fruits.”

  218. candy

    Madam Lash is going to be very busy.

    lol. For some reason George Brandis looks like a client of a Madam Lash.

  219. C.L.

    I looked up the website of the “Parents’ Voice” lobby. They have a “Hall of Shame” page:

    015: McDonald’s Australia for the Minions Happy Meal commercial

    2014: Nestle’s Wonka Golden Ticket promotion – this campaign exploited children’s affection for the Willy Wonka story and used the hook of finding one for five elusive golden tickets to encourage kids to pester for repeat purchases

    2013: Coles and One Direction promotion – appealed directly to children, encouraging them to persuade parents to buy unhealthy products for a desired return.

    2012: Kellog’s LCM Bar – ad that suggests a different LCM bar in a lunch box every day increases popularity at school

    2011: Kellogg’s LCM 4D Choc – this latest reincarnation of the LCM bar targeting teenagers has the side effect of making this product appear ‘cool’ to younger children.

    2010: Kellogg’s LCMs, for TV ads that convey to children than having an LCM bar their lunchbox will make them popular in the playground.

    2009: McDonald’s Happy Meal ‘Box of Play’ TV ads which feature toys and animations to appeal to children, with only minimal attention to the actual food and drink contents.

    2008: McDonald’s ‘Kung Fu Panda’ Happy Meal, for enticing children to want the Happy Meal using a much-loved movie, collectable toys and website promotion.

    2007: McDonald’s Happy Meal, for the Spongebob Squarepants toy promotion.

    2006: McDonald’s Happy Meal, for the Action Man and My Little Pony toy promotions.

    2005: McDonald’s Happy Meal

    Left-wing atro-turfers. Their sponsorship info suggests they’re funded by the Victorian government.

    Parents’ Voice is supported by Diabetes Victoria, Cancer Council Australia, VicHealth, Bluearth and YMCA Australia.

    More Googling shows that campaigns manager Alice Pryor was Moreland councillor and deputy mayor, “aligned with the … Left sub-faction” of the ALP.

  220. Tom

    Wow. At last count two months ago, nearly 50 Trump nominees had been rejected by the US Senate:

    Nine months into the president’s term, a Senate controlled by the president’s party has confirmed only seven nominees out of 56, including one Supreme Court nomination.

    However, since Justice Gorsuch’s confirmation, the Senate has confirmed only six judges—less than one per month of the Trump presidency. At this rate, President Trump will see only a fraction of his 150-plus current and forthcoming nominations confirmed by the end of the current four-year term.

    But don’t get the idea that it’s just Trump-deranged Democrats doing the rejecting. It’s the swamp of lobbyists financing them. For example, look who’s behind the latest rejection:

    A U.S. Senate committee on Tuesday rejected President Donald Trump’s nominee to lead the U.S. Export-Import Bank, a victory for General Electric Co., one of the companies that opposed the pick.

    The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs turned down the nomination of Scott Garrett by a vote of 13 to 10, with two Republicans joining the panel’s Democrats in rejecting Garrett.

    Garrett has historically been a strong critic of the Export-Import Bank, which provides companies with financing to export U.S. goods and services. Critics of the institution have labeled it “crony capitalism,” arguing it benefits the companies that receive help from the bank without delivering a return for taxpayers. GE (NYSE: GE) has been among the U.S. firms to use the bank.

    Google GE losing its industrial crown shows nothing lasts forever for an account of why GE — once a stock market darling — is now a dog. One of the reasons is the number of dodgy loans
    GE Capital has organised through Exim Bank.

    Drain that swamp, Donald!

  221. Calli;

    his factual statements about proffered sex back in the day.

    It was known, it was accepted by some as a means to an end. Trump had the hide to talk candidly about it.

    I love the way this all came about by a casual remark among blokes about ‘pussy grabbing’.
    It is now rebounding and destroying Leftist Hollywood.
    Haha

  222. C.L.

    ABC Online:

    George Brandis says he got the London job because he’s a ‘big political beast’.

    The outgoing Attorney-General George Brandis says he was picked as Australia’s next high commissioner to the United Kingdom because he’s — politically speaking — “a big beast”.

  223. Makka

    More Googling shows that campaigns manager Alice Pryor was Moreland councillor and deputy mayor, “aligned with the … Left sub-faction” of the ALP.

    She’s just another caring leftist creep who really “cares” about kids.

  224. JC

    Left-wing atro-turfers. Their sponsorship info suggests they’re funded by the Victorian government.

    How surprising.

  225. C.L.

    Somebody should set this up at the Domain. 🙂

  226. Infidel Tiger

    Ruining Christmas and banning soft drinks must be close the holy grail for leftists.

    Sad xunts.

  227. John Constantine

    Obviously brandis was sprung drinking diet coke.

    Just imagine the big Nancy’s sobbing farewell speech.

  228. Delta A

    Now unfunded?

    The institutions of the 60’s served a purpose in providing food, shelter and medical attention delivered by (mostly) caring staff. But they were soulless places, devoid of optimism.

    In the 70’s, South Australia began to move away from the institutional model by separating residents with intellectual disabilities from those with psychiatric disorders, placing the former group in modern, villa-style units within the Strathmont Training Centre. (The others remained in the institutions.)

    A decade or so later there was a push for community integration, a most appropriate move for most, but sadly, not for everyone. Nevertheless, there was rarely any compromise and so many people found themselves on the streets and lacking the skills to cope.

    I doubt that funding was ever an issue; community integration is more expensive when provided effectively. Imo, it was the ideology – the one-size-fits-all mindset – rather than the policy which has seen so many failures and difficulties in finding placements even for urgent cases.

  229. Dr Faustus

    George “Big Beast” Brandis almost has a flash of insight:

    “One of the mistakes that people in politics make is too often they stay too long because they can’t bear to leave,” he said.

    ‘Too long’ was reached in 2007…

  230. Des Deskperson

    Here’s Pryor’s Linkedin entry:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/pryoralice/

    An under educated but obviously well connected ‘progressive’ activist. One of her first jobs was for ‘Emily’s List’, I’d say she’s second or third generation ALP royalty.

    At least she has kids herself.

  231. Bruce in WA

    Maybe we could set up one of these at the Domain, too!

  232. Top Ender:

    Yesterday on the radio also heard of people who regularly have “anxiety attacks” as having disability etc etc.

    Not sure how any of these people coped in the harsher world of yesterday….

    The harsher world of yesteryear had no time for bullshit and self serving illnesses. You did the best with the cards the Lord dealt you, then got on with life.

  233. Makka

    The fking traitors who let these turds into our country should be strung up;

    He said he and his mates were celebrating with around 100 other people at a mate’s farm at the time.

    “They grabbed my throat, put a knife to my neck and started walking me out and trying to get me into their car,” Mr Dromell told Channel 7.

    “They tried to stab me twice in the stomach but missed and stabbed me here (his back).

    “I dropped to the ground and crawled to the stable and hid there until they left.

    “I thought I was going to die. If it wasn’t for my mates who were there thankfully, I probably would be dead.”

    According to witnesses, the alleged attackers were heard shouting “Aussie scum” as the brawl took place. A 17-year-old, believed to be an Iraqi national, was arrested trying to leave the property. He has been charged and bailed.

    https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/stabbed-teenagers-say-they-were-targeted-for-being/3294889/

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